They're Wrong On How To Fix Quake 3 Arena for Modern Windows
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- There are many forums and tutorials out there that tell you how to get Quake 3 Arena to run on modern versions of Windows. This video will tell you which of these suggestions you should avoid and provide the ultimate tutorial on how to actually fix the game.
Console Commands / Q3config.cfg parameters:
r_gamma
r_customwidth
r_customheight
r_mode -1
vid_restart
cg_fov
r_swapinterval
com_maxfps 120
cg_drawfps 1
r_displayrefresh
sv_fps //players' framerate over the network. 60 is recommended
Recommended for Autoexec.cfg
seta r_OverBrightBits "0"
seta r_mapOverBrightBits "1" //these are here because they go back to the default when you quit the game
seta r_subdivisions "2" //this fixes low detail in maps
seta r_lodbias "-2" //this fixes low detail in models
seta r_picmip "0" //this fixes low quality in textures
seta g_doWarmup "1" //give players or bots a window of time to join before the match starts
seta disable_weapon_bfg 1
seta disable_ammo_bfg 1 //Trust me, you don't want to play in a map with THIS particular BFG
Common Questions I get: (excuse the sass, that's just how I talk to everyone.)
Q) Why don't you use a source port like ioquake?
A) When someone is building a retro 486 computer, you're not gonna ask that person "Why not use DosBox instead?". The point of this video is to get Quake 3 Arena in it's original, purest form, working on modern systems. And also to fix something that the Steam version should've fixed in the first place since (to my knowledge) it is still using the original executable that we've been using for decades.
Q) There's so many things you don't understand about how the code of Quake 3 works. Do you really think you're an authority on the technical ins and outs of Quake 3?
A) I never said I was. It's just a lot of casual players, that often are playing the game for the first time, that are trying to get the game working with minimal effort without being required to download 3rd party apps like ReShade or a source port, have throughout the years been given either advice that's not very helpful or user friendly. At the time of me making this video, there wasn't any tutorial out there that I felt adequately got the game to work in a way that I would be happy with, and others shouldn't either. If there is a tutorial video out there, that even a child can understand, from someone more qualified than me, it doesn't yet exist as far as I know.
Q) My copy of Quake 3 looks fine, and your tutorial made it look worse.
A) If your copy of Quake 3 looked and ran fine, then why do you need my tutorial to fix something that doesn't need fixing in the first place? The problems that people encounter doesn't happen to everyone. Some graphics cards or certain drivers mess with the games ability to set the brightness and gamma levels freely (because for some reason, Quake 3 changes the gamma levels at the OS level instead of in-engine, which some cards or drivers won't allow). Which means that on the other hand there are also some cards or drivers that won't screw with the game's brightness levels. Changing something that is already correct to anything else... is incorrect.
Q) Even after I applied these fixes you showed in your tutorial, the game still doesn't quite look like how I remember it.
A) And it never will. That ship has already sailed years ago when the industry decided to stop using CRTs. The point of the tutorial is to get the individual graphical elements to look correct relative to each other. In other words: These commands will get the game to look right internally ("ignorehwgamma" does the opposite of this). But externally, the game has no control over this. That is totally up to the user. If the game is too washed out, then lower the gamma. If the visuals are too flat looking, then you might need to recalibrate your monitors black levels and raise it's peak brightness to give the game's dynamic range more room to stretch its legs, because again, some of these fixes actually widens the game's dynamic range.
...You might believe I think very little of those that watches my video, but that couldn't have been further from the truth. If you are here looking for a solution to a problem that the lamen didn't notice, then you know what it is that needs fixing. This tutorial is really just here to save you the time that would've been spent on trying to find this stuff out yourself through trial and error, which is what I had to do. This video is not dictating on how you should play the game, but simply as a springboard to get Quake 3 Arena looking and running the way you want it to.
Ha! you're fix for the gamma is. The best way to fix Quake 3 on modern system is to first right click the exe and set compatibility to Windows XP. No joke this fixes the brightness slider in not only Quake 3 but also in other games on the same engine.
@@mintmag8748 It will work for some people, just not all. I remember my latest driver fixed this and it worked, but when I updated my driver a few months later, it didn't work. But thanks for the advice, I think quite a few people will benefit from this.
dont, just play the original.
HOW TO SET AN INSTAGIB ONLY MATCH WITH BOTS IN QUAKE 3 ARENA THROUGH CONSOLE? THANKS
@@MaestroStefanoPetrini To my knowledge. You can't. You need to download an instagib mod, and then launch it through the game's mod menu. Some mods have multiple game modes you activate through the console, like OSP will. One mod that I enjoy is called Corkscrew. No need to input a command. Just load the mod.
The best way to play quake 3 on modern windows is just using the ioquake3 sourceport which not only lets you play at 1920x1080 natively, but also fixes a bunch of the texture/ui bugs in vanilla quake 3. Been using it for a few weeks now and It runs like a dream.
@kevinwilliams9612 Most likely. These fixes also work on Star Trek: Elite Force.
@@GTXDash and jedi academy too as they are both based on q3 engine. well, its gonna work with any q3 engine games i think
@@JesusIced RTCW, Jedi Outcast/Academy, Soldier of Fortune 2, and COD1 were built on later builds of id Tech 3 (AKA Quake III Arena Engine).
Heavy Metal: FAKK 2, Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, American McGee’s Alice, and Star Trek: Elite Force II used id Tech 3, but heavily modified by Ritual Entertainment, the developers of FAKK 2 and Elite Force II.
Id developed (or co-developed) four branches of id Tech 3: Quake III Arena, Quake III: Team Arena, Return to Castle Wolfenstein (single and MP) and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. COD1 was based on the RTCW branch, and is unofficially called “IW1 Engine” (if we go by Infinity Ward’s engine naming conventions, like IW2, IW3, IW4, etc.).
I want to rewrite it for modern cpus and their faster instructions
@@Walczyk Why would you need to rewrite it to make use of better and faster instructions? Your compiler really should be taking care of that.
I'm all for Quake 3's art style blooming like it did in 99. Although with these settings (changing r_mapOverBrightBits & r_OverBrightBits) and the gamma set to either 1.2 or 1.4, the Color and Tone is still off. Sure the ingame brightness option works with these settings, but it still doesn't quite fix the original look of Quake 3. And I don't mean to condemn your video at all, it's well researched and I'm sure a lot of people would find some advice & help from it.
Yep. People will just have to experiment to see what works best for their setup. Some drivers don't mess with the gamma too badly and often you don't need to use mapOverBrightBits and OverBrightBits, as long as you keep the gamma set to 1.0. If your Quake 3 doesn't look too dark then you're good to go.
i use windows 7, I'm good
@@Zeniouly Many of these problems actually started in windows 7 because it's more of a hardware and driver issue, as far back as when I was using my Geforce 8800GT. If it works fine without needing to do the things in this tutorial then you're part of a handful of people that don't suffer from these issues. I do appreciate that there seems to be less problems with Nvidia's more recent drivers (starting from about a year ago).
@@GTXDash i don't have a graphics card.
well, I'm good, the game works just fine
Hey, a general tip for some who are not aware, but the Quake 3 (and Quake Live) console supports Wildcard Characters. In this case "*". Similar to Windows Search, in fact. Anyways, one of the bet uses for this is with the /cvarlist command. This allows you to enter partial cvars like so "/cvarlist *cg_". If you input that into the console, you will get all commands with the "cg_" prefix. It can also be used to help search for keywords such as "/cvarlist *fov", which will output the various field of view commands you can tweak. I've found this tip most useful if you're already somewhat familiar with the console but have perhaps forgotten specific commands.
Another way to look for commands & cvars is to type in console a first letter of needed command (in example,
) and hit the Tab key. And voila: game print in console all cvars & commands that starts with a letter "r". This is commands autocomplete feature) But wow, I don't know about wildcards)👍
whats a wildcard lol
@@lucutes2936 A wildcard is a symbol used to replace or represent one or more characters. When performing a search with WildCards the search will test all the potential letters and numbers that the wildcard can be and give you any matches that pop up.
For example, if I search for "f*ck" (with * being the wildcard), the computer might find fuck, fock, fack, etc...
I remember competitive players back in a day made Q3 look like a peace of modern art with removed textures, hi-contrast and fisheye effect like if where born a carp. :)
My go to is Quak3e, the Vulkan version. Still hoping someday somebody gives the renderer FULL Vulkan support, modern shaders and all.
I haven't touch this game since 2009 best shooter of all time.
I didn't know people still playing it. I played it from 1999 to 2009 and jumped back to my first love which is Street Fighter.
This info I very useful. I might jump back in the mix again.
You got good taste. I'm a big Street Fighter fan. I used to be adept at Super Street Fighter 4 back in 2010 to 2012. But not so much now because nowadays I spent more time playing EX Plus A on my OG PlayStation and Zero 3 (region modified) on my Saturn.
@@GTXDash Nice. I've been playing SF from the mid 90s. SF 4 was great, 5 I play it but I'm not feeling it as much. V triggers and vskill as comeback mechanics kill the hype and the game. SF6 coming in June looks like it's going bring the hype back.
@@KillahManjaro I hope so too. I just flat out skipped V because of all the segregated or lacking features. Things are better now but it just left a bad taste, so I just ignored it.
@@GTXDash The last two seasons SF5 got better. They lower input lag, vshift and vshift break for defensive options.
I don't really care for the none ranked stuff but I get it. It was lacking with features, especially for new players, SF6 will fix all that. Have you watched SF6 first trailer? Lots of content and game, control types for new players.
@@KillahManjaro yep. I have. I'm still cautiously optimistic
It is also worth noting, that it is highly recommended not to use the original quake 3 client from 1999. As a monthly q3 tournament holder, I learned the hard way, that this version has a critical bug that causes weapons to shoot by themselves. This is a result of using USB mouses, which is not something the original game was designed for, as USB was not a standard at the time yet. The source port that we switched to, which fixed this issue, and that continues to work on windows XP is Quake 3E. For all of you who are planning to do a q3 tournament nowadays on old PCs, please make sure to use this source port.
Thanks for bringing this up. I actually didn't know about this because I never experienced it before. Guess I'm just lucky. Maybe it only happens with certain mice?
I am absolutely positive its a thing related to mice using USB. This issue did not occur at the times when we used PS2 mice, and it stopped to occur once we switched to a source port
Can fix it in the original client by lowering the polling rate of the mouse to 500Hz or less. 1000Hz is commonplace these days but back then not so much.
@@MrKeefy We did, but it didn't fix the issue on our end. Quake3e is a better solution either way, since it works well with CPMA and gives us some useful new cvars
@@ZenoPopo As a Quake diehard who paid big bucks back in the day for a USB PCI host card looking to improve my game, I can also attest to this. I ended up going back to PS/2 mouse and never looked back. I still can’t play FPS games with dual sticks. I mean I can, but I’m embarrassingly SLOW when using them.
I also tried a SpaceOrb over serial which was insanely cool, but I had to bolt the damn thing to my desk, which kinda defeated the idea of a handheld controller. And while I can’t put my finger on exactly what caused it, it seemed that switching away from 3dfx cards (RIP), cards from ATI and nVidia rendered gorgeous video, but did feel as fast as 3dfx? Back then we were DMing with over 180+ ms lag in most cases, unless we met to LAN which was still pricey back then.
John Carmack was an f-ing genius. The dude was totally approachable, even while working knee-deep on Quake and it’s iterations. I exchanged a few emails with him about Quake, 3D rendering and even turbochargers as I used work in both automotive and info tech engineering. I think the fact we are *still* sharing optimizations for his 20+ yo game to extract high performance speaks to that.
I just use ioquake (or spearmint) source port and don't worry about all of problems in original
Well, back then, adjusting com_maxfps was essential for longer and higher jumps.
Usually 125 was normal, but depending on the system, it was around 83 and 142 depending on whether the game was hosted by the player itself.
And talking about adjusting the brightness and so on... Uhh... Just use a modern source port like ioquake3, guys.
Source ports are usually the solution to these problems. This video is for those that want the original game to work
idTech 3 was always a bitch with its brightness bugs. In Windows XP it would sometimes override (and mostly increase) the gamma of your desktop resolution upon exiting the game. Games like Jedi Knight Outcast and Soldier of Fortune II had similar issues, IIRC. That game engine is still my alltime favourite. It was versatile and yet optimised to perfection. John Carmack and the team at id Software in the 90's was the ultimate idiosyncratic junction to be made in the history of FPS games and 3d game engines.
It's a good testimony to developers that almost 25 years old renderer can still be tweaked without code changes to run on modern hardware. And the fact that it can steal be playable is a lowkey marvel.
Carmack is a mad genius XD
@@GTXDash His code is reportedly among the cleanest, at least at that time. There's no doubt he's a technical wizard.
unreal tournament doesn't even need to be fixed. it just works.
not saying unreal is better made than quake, because it sure as hell isn't. quake3's engine is miles ahead of unreal tournament's. just saying that this isn't that special. what is special is how fury3, the literal first directx title, runs natively with zero issues on windows 11, no tweaks needed. it's really something else.
I definitely agree, some people don't understand preference when it comes to certain options and end up ruining your experience or even render it unstable at times.
Also gotta recommend using Quake3e. Yea, it's built off of ioquake3, but it's probably at its best with the Vulkan rendering and near flawless performance on the most demanding maps that would tank on default OpenGL as well as better support for ReShade for extra shaders.
Quake3e is a friggin' godsend to me. Making a sort of horde mode arena gameplay mod, and Q3e handles 60+ bots easy. Vanilla Q3 just straight up soft crash on 20+ bots, while on ioQuake, it lags heavily at best, or trip on a buffer overflow at worst.
@@CatsOverdrive NOLF2 pfp
+1 Rep
Here's to hoping it actually extends out to other games like an RTCWe or JKIIe/JKAe
I play OG Quake III unmodded on Manjaro Linux with no problems. Works perfect.
I've never used it on Linux before. Guess it's more of a Windows thing.
You are a saver! ❤ These commands used to be second nature back when I frequently edited cfg files. But after more than twenty years, I've long since forgotten them, and it's hard to find a comprehensive list of commands online. Hardly anyone talks about them anymore.
If you want to fill difference, just plug a CRT monitor. You will surplrise how low latency now you'v got in Q3A.
That's how I play. Use am HDMI to VGA adapter for a 2nd monitor that's a CRT
@@GTXDash I afraid of any adapters due to possible latency so I plug my CRT monitor directly to my TitanX throu it's onboard VGA-out. TitanX is a last GeForce wich supports VGA so I have to stop my videocard upgrades on a TitanX due to VGA output. I have second LCD monitor only to play my favorit 3D games in stereo mod with a nVidia 3D Vision stereo glasses. I hope CRT monitors will come back like mechanical keyboards come not so long ago back after a long absence.
@@Gigagamer74 I'm very sensitive to latency and I've used 2 different HDMI to VGA adapters that both have not added any noticeable lag. I had to use an adapter because I have a GTX 1080. Stick with adapters that confirm on the packaging that they can do video extend over 2 monitors because that would mean that the PC can communicate with the CRT as if there was no adapter in between the display and graphics card.
Of course, with modern windows, compatibility with old CRTs will be an issue which is why I use "Custom Resolution Utility" to make a sort of custom driver for the CRT.
it's actually pretty hard to find some nice CRT in 2023, most of CRTs I found in last years were in really bad condition
i'm fine with my oled tv an its 5ms latency. feels as responsive as any crt. but truth be told, some 5 years ago, i bought a whole batch of 17" CRTs. 10 of them. super cheap, too, i think in today's money i paid like 4 bucks for each. i made a permanent lan room at my farm, 6 computers full of classic games. too bad my friends suck and stopped wanting to go there after like a year. it was always a blast.
Great freaking video! 👏👏👏 I’ve seen so many videos by folks just throwing stuff on the wall to see what sticks, which is fine, just don’t present it as authoritative. I subbed after watching and plan to peruse your channel looking for more. Despite this video being relatively brief, understanding how these settings are applied and which results to expect can take _years_ to master. I’ve spent hours trying to achieve gaming perfection on relatively modest hardware. I’ve forgotten more than most folks will ever know about tuning up Q3A, which is why I was so pleased to see your video. Nice work! 👍
thankyou so much , i know this is a long shot but quake 3 arena arcade on xbox has a really weird controller config , i was wondering ifg there is a way to change the button mappings on there ?
Unfortunately, I've never played Quake 3 Arcade. I don't even have an Xbox
This gamma problem is not only a problem of modern windows. The same happened with certain nvidia beta drivers or something else and it was quite common to use your described fixes.
Just to nitpick... when brightening with gamma 1.4 that also fudges the hue and saturation of the colours a little bit. This isn't Quake's fault, it's just what happens when you apply an exponent to the RGB channels - the RGB balance won't be preserved.
Another way to do it is use a custom shader to convert RGB to Lab, then apply a brightness curve to the L component, then convert back to RGB. This should preserve the hue and saturation of colours since the L component is supposed to represent only the lightness separately from the hue and saturation. But the improvement would be small and most people wouldn't notice. For instance a skin tone would look slightly more red tinted and saturated using the L method, and slightly more cyan and desaturated using the RGB gamma method.
Yeah, the game no longer looks 100% accurate to what it used to. Then again, I guess that has already happened the moment we stopped using CRTs. But if I started including ReShade or some other app to get the game to look right. A lot of less than tech-savvy individuals would probably wouldn't want to bother and just deal with the problems. I'm not dismissing what you are saying because in extreme cases like with Quake 2, I use ReShade to fix the brightness/gamma issues.
But with Quake 3 I decided to focus more on relative accuracy, meaning, how bright was certain parts of a map relative to darker areas. This was my main problem with "ignorehwgamma" because, especially in q3dm6, it made sunlight that highlighted certain parts of the floor, to be just as dark as the parts that weren't being bathed in sunlight.
If the visuals look too washed out, it's usually because the driver settings or monitor needs the black levels to be as black as possible, with the brightness as high as is comfortable, and it actually will look very close to what the game used to look like.
I want to do another video about this subject, but we'll see.
Quake3e sourceport is a must if your going to play online and competitvely.
Thanks bro. Apriciated. And: Q3A _forever!_
I was just wondering about this and you post a video 3 hours earlier. Hahaha
this looks so alien to me after playing cpma with fullbright and r_picmip 10 for so long
My fix for quake 3 arena was porting it in to Doom 3 id tech 4 engine. big upgrade and fix :)
Im still using my win7 for q3/cpma and 1.6
@MXDash2 Awesome video! Subbed! I appreciate your breakdown of which commands to use. I have quake 3 and Team Arena, and I installed the ioquake3 source port.
How can I edit my steam configuration file to run the game using the sourceport? Or am I better off just running the sp independently?
A source port is usually treated more like a separate program than an extension to the original quake3.exe. I would just add ioquake3 as its own game on steam. There are many tutorials that show you how to add non-steam games to steam.
For me, if I can avoid it, I don't launch my games through steam, but I get why some people like having all games accessible in it.
@@GTXDash I'll give that a go, thanks. I'll check out your Pylite videos as well. Very interesting.
Can you use some of the OpenArena source ports to run the game? They should be compatible right?
In theory, yes. In practice, I'm not sure how much of the experience would be Vanilla Quake 3 vs OpenArena using some Quake 3 assets.
@@GTXDash It may be worth trying and testing and it could well be a good topic for a follow-up video.
Compared to Quake 1 and 2 source ports, Quake 3 Arena source ports are lazy and complicated to setup in my opinion. Look at Yamagi Quake 2, an easy to setup solution than inmediatly gives you a modern 16:9 experience out of the box. But for Quake 3, if you use ioQuake3 out of the box everything will look scretched and the weapon fov will look out of place at higher resolutions, nobody tells you that you have to install "extra mods" to make the game look right. I ended up installing 5 extra mods on ioQuake3 to finally have a decent experience. I hope that Nightdive Studios remasters Quake 3 soon to never depend on ioquake3 again.
Totally agree. Even basic source ports for q1 and q2 like proquake and directq have those essential quality of life features.
I do not have any problem with quake 3 on windows 11. I often do 1vs1 "lan party" with my retro 98 PC and my modern one and all it's good. I just installed it no fixes needed.
We also have quake 3 lan at my place. It really is a case to case situation. My personel PC has a few problems. Looks fine on my LCD but too dark when I switch to my CRT. Our winXP machine is fine. But our Win7 is also too dark.
1440x1080 and use integer scale. I'd use that, personally.
Sound doesn't work, any suggestions? On windows 11 pro 22h2.
Hm... I'm not sure. I'm still on windows 10. However, even on older OSs, there are some apps that dont work if you're relying on Windows's built-in audio driver rather than using the manufacturer's driver, like many motherboards use drivers from Realtek.
And if you are using that then try updating or rolling back to a different version of your driver.
If you are still having problems, try changing your audio profile in your driver to something more compatible like stereo instead of 5.1 sound. Change 96khz to 44 or 48khz. Or maybe in the game itself, change from high quality to low quality or the other way round. Check your volume controls since windows can actually lower or even mute volume for some apps while others are set to loud. And i guess the final thing you can try is if you have multiple outputs, Some apps will only work through 1 and not all outputs. This is one of the reasons why i dont plug my headphones in the front IO but in the back... or you could just link all the IO to all playback the same sound channel.
And if all that fails then use ioquake instead of quake3.exe. It's a source port that runs well on modern machines.
Hope you get it working.
I just bought a Geforce 6200 AGP für the Optiplex GX240 and I hope Q3 will run fine on it! o)
Thank you for your insight on how to fix Q3 on modern machines, I will try these. There were times where I pulled my hair because of the brightness being messed up. I also tried all the newer ports in the meantime and I still try to figure out what exactly has changed regarding hires-textures in ioQuake, can't see a difference, but it is way less important than resolution/aspect/brightness topics. o) I think Q3 is a masterpiece. o)
Quake3e is best source port of this great game for me. It is fastest multiplatform engine with very fast Vulkan render. It's the best way to Quake 3 play on modern PCs.
Awesome video, I was playing the vanilla version from steam at 4:3 but decided to give it a try on ioquake now. The only problem is that I got used to play in 4:3 and I don't see a way to avoid widescreen with the source port. Do you know what should I do in that case to avoid forced widescreen mode? Thanks a lot
You'll have to set the game to run at a 4:3 aspect ratio. Either create a custom 4:3 resolution as shown in this video, or just select one of the other 4:3 aspect ratio resolutions in the settings menu. If you still have trouble, I think ioquake is similar to vanilla so some of the console commands may still work.
I never had any problem playing Q3 on any new pc. Must be your fancy drivers :D
Must be.
Thanks mate, now I can play my all time best game and kick bots in Nightmare
I wish they would add proper widescreen support. Even Doom has this now.
If you want the game to do things more than what is considered to be vanilla, then you will need to use a source port like Quake3e.
I miss 24 player lobbies
I miss the chaos
I miss the music
I miss the industrial maps
Haha it's so weird seeing my old doomguy facepalming screenshot from 2013 floating around.
Thank you for making it. It was exactly what I was looking for. 😄
Man Quake 3 still looks beautiful
used to play with no less than 9th picmip, software lightnin etc. also, you can start typing console command and press tab so it will write it correctly in the console. anyway, og's used osp)
most of the widescreen problems are fixed by increasing the FOV, FYI. The game uses horizontal FOV to set resolution math, so remapping this to a larger value uses a wider FOV, for a wider screen.
Did you watch the video?
5:18 a way to enlarge the weapons is cg_gunx/y/x to change the model position
Yes, that's correct. But in vanilla Quake 3 you can only do that with cheats enabled.
@@GTXDash yup just tried :/
@@GTXDash there is a mod by Phoenix that enabled this without cheats. For single player its just fine, i think. Found it on Steam.
@@igor_p13 Nice! Thanks.
Bro, thanks so much. My game looks so much nicer now.
Great video, thanks.
were is the place to go for Q3A?
I just finished the game in nighmare mode and would love to play it online.
Also would love to have 1920x1080 without streching =[
There are lots of servers in multiplayer mode set to online. However, many may require a mod like CPMA or Excessive, which are shown on the list of each server. To get better support for 16:9, you'll probably need a source port like ioquake.
@@GTXDash Thanks for the reply mate
Under no circumstance do you want to run quake3 with vsync.
The game is BUILT to be fast and it's BUILT to be the most responsive without vsync.
Everyone and their mother used 125 FPS in this game when we played, and that is mostly physics and jump trajectory. Anything higher or lower f-cks with it. For instance 333 fps gives you longer latteral jump, but smashes you on the head with vertical.
250, just like Call of Duty 2, works fine, with 5-10% of jumps not available.
DO NOT USE VSYNC !
I generally don't use vsync. But some will want vsync on regardless. So I decided to show people the best vsync option rather than using the default, which is terrible.
Wait, there was a 4:3 release of The Matrix?
I have no idea where one can get this "open-matte" version of the film. Maybe it was only available on VHS and fullscreen editions of DVDs. I have a fullscreen version of the Back to the Future trilogy that we bought back in 2003, and that is indeed the open-matte version. "Widescreen" is actually the cropped version. There's quite a few movies between the 1980s to early 2000s that were filmed in 4:3.
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You can move the weapon model up/down using the cg_gunX cg_gunY cg_gunZ commands.
Sadly, cheats need to be enabled to use cg_gun :\
the key TAB autocompletes the commands that you are typing in. It can save you a lot of time, not just in the quake 3 console.
Also you forgot to mention to set r_picmip as high as possible 😜
Ugh... no. Picmip always at 0 😉
I completely forgot about TAB. Good advice. 👍
Thank you!
Quake3 demo works fine for me on modern Windows
For quake 3 and games that use its engine often get a bug where if it crashes (usually because of the ram allocation using the low default) the brightness stuck until i restart the PC
Happened in Windows 7, 8, 10, and 11
Very nice tutorial - thank you very much for sharing! :)
you'll want 125fps for online play, not 120, unless you enjoy being handicapped. 333 for local play. those are the settings that allow you to jump the highest.
All I did to unlock Quake 3 Arena FPS was go into the nvidia control panel and go to the game global settings and just went to max frame rate and typed in 500 and then fully unlocked the vsync. I get like 650 fps lol on a 2080ti 1600x1200 lol. I have a 240hz gsync monitor so it all works out. I use the monitor for increasing gamma and stuff. Most gaming monitors have tons of modes and custom settings. It's not that hard.
90fps is the game's max by default and has to be disabled manually. So maybe you did that as well?
Hi MxDash,i've a 43 inch 4k monitor. How can i have quake 3 arena in 3480x2160(full screen)? I've black vertical bars. Nvidia control panel always close once opened for unknown reasons
Nvidia Control Panel keeps closing? I would recommend you update/reinstall your driver and hopefully it will fix that issue. To fix the black bars issue, in the control panel, go to "Adjust Desktop Size and Position", under the scaling tab, make sure "Aspect ratio" is selected, under "perform scaling on:" Select "GPU" and enable "Override the scaling mode set by games and programs". When you're in Quake 3, open the command console type in
_customwidth 3840 then press Enter and type in r_customheight 2160 then press Enter, and finally type \vid_restart and press Enter.
Do you mean the Quake 3 is updated to 1.32 or 1.32c ?
As far as I know, there's barely a difference between the two. Everything in this video will work with either.
Back in the day we played q3a with all textures white and green bots and it was awsome
Remember the days where "r_picmip 9" was the first thing you changed?
Yeah, I hate it :P Not saying you shouldn't do that, just that I would argue the visuals is as much a part of the original Quake 3 experience as the gameplay is.
hello! very insightful video, i've been playing for +15 years Q3 and CPMA, but there is something i never got fixed in vanilla Q3
i really would love to know if you know a solution for the click-stuck that happens a lot, maybe it's even input-stucking no matter what the last input was, but it tends to happen with mouse inputs (m1 for attack, m2 for jumping)
to make it clear: you are playing and click mouse 1, the game has like a 1-frame hiccup, and continues firing the weapon until you click again, like if it didn't register the release of the input. it has to be something with framerate sync or input processing, but i've tried everyithing forever.
thank you!
So you tried vsync and no vsync. May try the low latency vsync options I suggested in the video. Maybe also take a look at your gpu driver settings. Try to disable low latency mode or triple buffer. May want to also try fast vsync mode. It seems like the game is skipping in the games logic, not just frames. Very strange. Could also be your mouse in how it communicates with the game.
@@GTXDash oh god thank you, now i remember, i did figure out and test when i was younger, its mouse's sample rate, gonna download steelseties software and turn it down
That's a USB polling rate issue. Set 125hz polling rate to fix it or max 500hz if you want. Those insane high 1000hz polling is such a weird and ignorant marketing trend in gaming. Back then, we overclocked the USB port with community made USB drivers to max 500hz and most people stuck on 250hz or 200hz for PS/2 mice, but for sensor performance on gaming mice at the time
@@Kyle1444 exactly
Whenever I use a 4:3 resolution, it would still appear widescreen for some reason (Stretched 4:3). For that I'm left unable to use 4:3 and have to resort to wide screen.
@TheSixteen60 in your driver app, like Nvidia Control Panel as an example, there should be a scale option that lets you switch from fullscreen/stretched to aspect ratio/not stretched. You can also get your GPU to handle scaling instead of your monitor if your monitor is too stubborn.
There is sort of a half-fix for the gun fov with the cg_gun x,y, and z commands
one problem though
its considered a cheat in multiplayer which means the cg_gun stuff will only work in the campaign
god why id software WHYYYY
This is amazing, thank you!
1) just play Warsow which is open-source Q3 clone that runs on modern systems just fine using the same Q3 engine
2) try running Q3 on Linux via Wine, as old games often run better via Wine on Linux than on modern Windows
3) 120 fps is too low, and making the graphics look good is unnecessary, as back in the day we used to apply lowest settings possible to get 300-400 fps on something like geforce 3 or 4 for that extra sweet speed and jump boost
4) vsync and buffering must always be disabled, period - when gaming in hundreds of fps even with 60 Hz it doesn't matter, we played back then at someting like 75-85 Hz CRTs just fine so you don't need your fancy freesyncs-nsyncs too
5) play Unreal Tournament 99 or 2004 instead :)
Honestly just use ioquake3 and ZTM's flexible HUD mod. It fixes both the stretched HUD and the weapons being way off-screen at high FOV.
Also if you want to play singleplayer, give Spearmint a try. It properly fixes the widescreen and has better bots, at the expense of not being able to join vanilla servers.
Backslashes? What happened to forward slashes??? Foreward slashes are the norm. hehe
I used "\" more often during the DOS days. Old habits die hard. But it's simply preference:
"Backslash" is a bigger button (depending on the keyboard), and it rolls off the tongue more easily than "forward slash".
But the main reason is that most people I know who play quake also use "\". I got it from them.
Question that may have already been answered, but where can one find the most definitive map packs? I'm looking to install them on my Windows 2000 PC which isnt connected to the internet.
Go to the orangesmoothie website and there they let you download the mappack without the OSP mod. That mappack is pretty good. It includes "New Edge" which is the best version of The Edge from Quake 2. I even included this map in this video.
@@GTXDash I don't know what the OSP mod is, but thanks for the information.
@@mrmerlin6287 yeah, its just some old mod from back in the day. Only take the files that has the maps in them and use that.
@@GTXDash Where do I place the files?
@@mrmerlin6287 in the BaseQ3 folder. I would recommend you rename the files to have the word "map" at the beginning of each file name. This will help prevent the HUD changing to the OSP layout if you prefer the original.
Where can I get cool Quake 3 mods?
I remember a mod where you could play as Sonic or Worm from Worms and there were alien bots that only used gauntlet. What was the name of it?
I haven't seen a mod like that but maybe check out moddb. But the best place for maps would be lvlworld
playing the game with graphics is the first mistake :)
I like having my textures and lightmaps :P
Hello, can you tell me the name of the map that is shown in the beginning, a remake of q2dm1? Never seen it, it looks awesome.
On topic: thanks for the video. Although I use ioq3 port, it's interesting to know what could be done with the original.
New Edge. LvLworld should have it. You can also get it when you download the OSP mod's map pack
Many thanks for this precious content. I've tweaking Q3 Vanilla in many many ways along the time, but this information is awesome. Now Quake 3 looks exactly how I remembered it in the past.
However, after look in the Q3 system menu, the brigthness control are grayered and disabled, even with all your tweaks. I've deleted and install a fresh q3 installation and the problem still persist.
My rig is: rtx 2070, 532.03 drivers and win10 pro 21H2. do you know what happening on my case? 🙇♂ PS: The "r_gamma" command work without problems, the problem is for the slider brigthness control only.
Ive never encountered your problem before. I know that this happens when ignorehwgamma is enabled. However even though the bar is greyed out, you can still adjust it using r_gamma. but it will only be applied when you use vid_restart
WHY even bother with original quake3 executable?
DR BEEF MADE A STANDALONE PORT ON META QUEST
What happens when you set gamma to 2.2 or 2.4 aka actual modern gamma values?
It's just an obertrary number, I dont think its an actual gamma measurement. 2.2 is extremely bright, would not recommend.
@@GTXDash was just curious what would happen if you only change that value. with none of your other tweaks.
@@goblinphreak2132 oh. In that case, nothing will happen because you can't go above 1 because of the gamma bug.
@@GTXDash my thoughts are, the slider may be broken. But would direct console input override the issue? Im guessing not but also thinking out loud here
lol we used to do this in the 90s at lan sessions!
Hey, can you share a link to the character model that you're using? It looks like Terry Crews
It is 😄. Such a great skin. Don't remember where I got it. I'll get back to you on that.
I thought Quake CHampions was modern Quake 3?
DGVooDoo plz
awesome
south african? thanks for the video BTW
I have a issue, where my mouse seems to be quite unresponsive if I move slowly however when I start making fast movements it moves just fine. Have any suggestion on how to fix this?
This actually is a common problem with the game. Because quake 3 likes to do everything at such low level, sometimes a previously ran app unrelated to the game can cause this glitch. All you need to do is restart your PC. It really is that simple. Not shutdown. Your PC only purges your ram of any lingering leftover code only after a restart.
@@GTXDash Thanks, I appreciate it!
Tldr: he explained it in 30 seconds
Most people can't C. Learn C
(Jk)
The first 2 tips are nice, but there rest are just: How to handicap yourself in comp.
if i could get rid of the input lag, i would ignore all other problems...
i solved by using in_mouse 3
They should focus on making it work on Linux instead.
a saving grace lol I remember BID FOR POWER
Oh my gosh! How have I never heard of this mod before?
@@GTXDash IDK i just remember it was like 2004-2005 I remember the computer magnet kids had it on windows xp lol
So much wrong information. Old school player here. All that vsync info is wrong. Don't mess with it, it's 120fps and deal with it, with a multiple on refresh rate. You see old configs with people doing 333 and sv_fps +20 on servers, but all that does is break the engine even further, with only placebo benefit. Up the default fps from 85fps to 120fps(125fps shown) and sv_fps 20 is what the engine is designed for. Leave it. Overbright was a hack, implemented via drivers, and is lost when win7 clamped the gamma ramp. It can be undone with unlocking the old behavior in registry. Sourceports and messing with the rendering doesn't fix it. ioquake3 or derivatives introduces broken mouse handling and rendering with lag. Raw input and cpu yielding breaks so much with linear input. Even the official quakelive port is very broken, from the original code
I actually do agree with you for the most part. My default has always been 120 v-sync off. But I feel that telling people alternatives on how to get it to work with v-sync on is better than just letting people have the game default to 60fps because of their 60Hz displays.
@@GTXDash Good video. Vsync is a very outdated way of smoothing the screen. SpecialK/RTSS with variable refresh is a much better way. Look up scanline sync or latent sync. They are very powerful tools and in most cases produce even less input lag then having "low latency" mode on in video card drivers. (You're basically playing the game with vsync off but still syncing frames somewhat). If your PC is somewhat modern you can also lower input lag even further using SpecialK. These modes still have a tear line on the screen however it remains stationary and you can shift it off screen.
Also, I can't remember but there is an r_customaspect cvar that should fix the stretching problem. r_roundimagesdown "0" will produce even higher quality textures, subdivisions should be set to 0, sv_fps should be 125 to match your client, because it isnt the stone age and modern internet can handle more than that, but doesnt really make a difference if the dedicated server itself is using the default 20. Lodbias 0, Lodscale 0, etc etc. Better graphics in this game is questionable anyways, as the only people I imagine playing it is for competitive reasons and play on picmip 9 with vertex lighting lol.
333 is not a placebo and there's a reason it was banned when punkbuster was enabled on servers. It gives you ridiculous jump height and air accel. Also setting it to 125 gives the best jump height and air accel. The game shouldn't be displaying 125 if you set it to 120, something weird going on there.
@@BaconSenpai Yes, it breaks the engine. Jump hight and air accel etc. With placebo i mean regarding the modern notation that more frames is “everything”. The engine rounds to a division of 1000, and the default of 85 displays 90fps, so dno why, but setting 120fps in that line. It also breaks the engine, since physics are frame rate dependent, but was the agreed upon normal. Probably a timing and refresh rate thing. CRTs where 85hz at the time, then 120hz in the early 2000’s
"Even the official quakelive port is very broken". Well, I always felt that movement in quakelive is faster than vq3.
I used r gamma in the original quake 3
What about ioQuake3?
Mine worked first try on Windows 11
Just buy a Pentium 4 pc
Yep. I got one. When my nieces and nephews come over, we play over LAN. So we need all machines to run the game perfectly.
@@GTXDash that's awesome
why not use source port ?
Dude i have a proplem with this game and i hope you can help me! Every time i go to the game its open but with a white screen one second and it closed itself i try to fix this my compatibility troubleshooter but it didnt work and i have windows 10
Might be a resolution problem, sometimes if the game runs a resolution that the monitor doesn't support then it just crashes. Go into the game folder and into basicq3 and find q3config.cfg. delete it and then startup the game again. If it still doesn't work then open the file in a text editor and find "seta r_mode" change the number to 4 (it should look like this: seta r_mode "4"). If the command doesn't exist then just add it in the file, and if the file itself doesn't exist then create a text file and rename it to q3config.cfg and put the command in the file.
If this doesn't work then it may be an issue of openGL not being installed properly, so maybe update or reinstall your video driver.
If all fails then maybe just use a Quake3 source port like ioquake3, that will help with any compatibility problems.
@@GTXDash I try to delet the folder q3config.cfg and it doesn't fix that and my screen turn into white pale and i try to do seta to 4 and it was already 4😅 anway
I want to let you know that for the first time i ran this game its open normally
@@zizoahmed3127 Then something changed about your PC that prevents Quake 3 from running. sometimes a video driver update breaks something, try a different version of your video driver or just use ioquake3
Isn't Quake 3's fps cap 250?
Its cap is 1000
Step 1: Buy it on GOG.
I mean, why not just play Quake Live?
Lots of things Quake 3 let's you do that Quake Live doesn't. One of my favorite mods called Q3 Knockout is only for Quake 3.
Just use quake 3 e with vulkan 64 exe.
T H A N K Y O U
"too dark, input lag" sounds like a skill issue.