"The system isn't the problem," I actually want to throw up hearing the Doctor say that. I physically am cringing. Imagine hearing Smoky the bear start talking about how Forest Fires aren't anyones fault, and leaving campfires going and throwing cigarette butts into the woods is actually okay.
The Doctor, a character well known for challenging the systems that oppress people and actively strives for a better world for all people regardless of societal norms and standards, openly defending an oppressive and exploitative system that’s ruined the lives of many. Just breaks my heart, this just ain’t the same doctor we all know and love 💀
According to the writer, "the systems" were meant to be automation. ...That was not how it came off. I also find it hilarious that an equally supported message you can take from this episode is "when you're fighting for worker's rights, violence is very effective. Don't unionise, don't go on strike, learn how to make bombs."
absolutely. it's the most Moffat episode to ever Moffat against the most chibnall episode to ever chibnall and Moffat blew it out the park it was brilliant
Can yall stop talking about kerblam when yall don't even understand it nor what capitalism is. Yall will praise anything that isn't kerblam wjen those 2 episodes did a bad job at it
@@kuggacouragegx6093 Ok there Adam Smith Jr, pls enlighten us with the genius of Kerblam that you have grasped and while you are at it, also tell us about this mystical insight into capitalism that only you have access to while everyone else choses to live in the shadow of ignorance.
“The systems aren’t the problem.” My sister in SPACETIME, the system in question is “either starve yourself efficiently enough or you don’t get to see your family this year.”
Exactly even without the killer AI being used by corrupt people, other workers were still being exploited under the system and it’s crazy to me how nobody ever truly points that out in the episode. Complete mishandling of this sort of subject and sends the totally incorrect message 💀
@@Shuffles_Art I love how the writers phrase it. "iT wAs tRYiNg tO sHoW yOu wHaT iT fEeLs LiKe" THAT'S REVENGE. You are having THE DOCTOR justify the REVENGE KILLING of an innocent person!
@@RealCoolstriker64 ugh ikr?? Like even if that was its reasoning, the doctor would never see that as any sort of excuse to literally kill an innocent human being. Every other doctor always has some sort of message against enacting revenge on someone even your greatest enemies. Christopher Eccleston and Tom Baker both had huge moments where they contemplated wiping out the entire Dalek race just to get revenge on what they did to the time lords, but he decides against it because it’s not the doctor’s place to decide who lives and who dies
@@RealCoolstriker64 the person she's talking to is literally a terrorist and is the one killing people in the episode. But no, the Doctor is bad for not being on his side lol you communists are so blinded by your ideology
"I'm the Doctor. I will do everything in my power to save all of your lives, and when I do you will spend the rest of them wondering who I was and why I helped you." Moffat was committed to making sure Capaldi would stick with us.
The Doctor had dealings with Villengard before. The 9th Doctor took credit for destroying their weapons factory, though it wasn't clear whether it was done by him or by an earlier incarnation (I understand there's a comic that attributes this act to the War Doctor, though I haven't read it myself). I assume that, from a linear point of view, this took place *after* the events of Boom, though from the Doctor's PoV it obviously happened earlier
I think it's interesting that the only thing wrong with kerblam is the doctor. The company is crab and abuses labor, someone, while not entirely morally sound, tries to make a stand, the system tries to save itself; all this while the doctor is advocating eradication of the labor force, getting excited about the headquarters, and punishing the guy who wanted to stop the system he'd been born into, forced to deal with, and threatened by many times. The part where the system *kills his girlfriend* is framed as his fault.
What really irks me about the Kerblam episode is how performative it sounds when the manager says "propose being a people lead company", like she just straight up leaves actual change up to the people benefiting more in keeping things as they are
Let me defend kerblam for a moment. Lets say an extremist was treatening to put bombs in random amazon packages to make a point about amazon woukd you think that was a good thing? I think the episode is a great concept executed very poorly
@@jplegend98I don’t think it’s doing anything special. There are loads of stories where the villain was driven to extremism by a real life societal issue. And the laziest way to end a story like that is to use the villain’s actions as an excuse to not say anything meaningful about the societal issue. Kerblam is basically saying that while the real life exploitation in Amazon warehouses is bad, it would be worse if one of the employees tried to kill millions of innocent people with exploding bubble wrap. And like, yeah no shit that would be worse Like, you could do what X-Men does, where the heroes are fighting for the same thing Magneto is, and are occasionally forced to admit he has a point even though he’s still clearly a villain. Or you can do what Breaking Bad did, and just not have the cost of cancer treatment in the US factor into Walt’s motives at all, so the story has no reason to discuss it
@@mredbadgerOr, and that's what I took from the episode, you can try to unionize and actually talk with people in your same situation, instead of using them because you know better (like Charlie did to his colleagues). Not mentioning no upper board manager appeared in the episode, just worker (because, yes, the two PR executives in the episode are not part of the board - like everyone that had experience in a company knows, PR executives are just workers with a better suit and the disgraceful job of trying to mediate between the board and the rest of the workers).
@@UomodAltriTempiThe only argument the episode puts forward is that it would be very bad if someone killed lots of people with exploding bubble wrap Like, yes, unionizing would be better. So would doing nothing and letting the warehouses continue to exploit its workforce. The episode itself doesn’t have much of a preference
@@mredbadger It seem odd to say this given how many people are complaining about current Who being too message-focused, but Kerblam! is a great example of what happens when you give no thought to the wider message your story is telling. Absent the unfortunate (and I believe entirely accidental) messaging Kerblam! was one of the better stories of that season, but I'd argue it stands as proof that writers do need pay attention to theme and message.
You felt more sadness for that than for the fact she got killed? She was written as innocent and happy to be enslaved only so that we would feel something when she died I felt nothing. She wasn't a real human, she was a tool for the plot.
@@pascalsimioli6777 So while you felt nothing for her at all, you're chastising me for feeling sad that her optimism was returned with a hallow empty promise of a gift?
@@pascalsimioli6777 In fact, you just gaslit me into thinking I said that. I didn't even say I was "more" sad about it than her being killed, I just said it made me sad that the box was empty.
finally someone who recognizes the greatness of oxygen. probably the only nuwho episode that does the "capitalistic horror" trope almost perfectly. except maybe the revolutions resolution, that could have been finetuned a little but otherwise perfect
@@somerandomyoutubeaccount5895 So Kerblam pointing out that humans can be evil too is contradictory to Capitalism is evil?? 😄😄 As for Boom, it doesn't even entertain the idea that the capitalists are intelligent and money minded, contrary to Oxygen that relied on the profitable acumen of the industry
@@hirudinaria Kerblam villainises attempts to fight against an oppressive system and glorifies the oppressive system remaining in place, it doesn't "point out that humans can be evil too" (??) Have you even watched Boom? Multiple times the Doctor references how the Villengard are some of the biggest moneymakers in the galaxy and have made war into an insanely lucrative business - sounds like "entertaining the idea of capitalists being intelligent and money-minded" to me
I originally made a Kablam vs Boom video I had just seen Boom and thought it was incredible now I've re-watched Oxygen and I think Boom is decent great story for the most part but the ending is a bit of a ex machina with the AI much prefer Oxygen and its ending. Of particular relevance in this comparison is the fact that in Kablam the individuals killed are all the low level workers and the people who take action for change is management but in Oxygen some of the low level workers survived and they are the ones who will be fighting for change. The people who's friends and loved ones died are the ones who seek change not those relatively unaffected by the issues. Also if Charlie had tested the explosives on the robots not people and he planned on blowing up the kablam base I imagine him an 12 would have gotten along well.
I personally prefer Boom overall but Oxygen does have a better ending. Boom and Oxygen are both great for sure and Kerblam is… well one of the worst thirteen episodes which unfortunately says a lot.
Disagree that Boom resolution is Deus ex Machina, I think it is pretty central to the themes of the episode and was set up from the very first scene. Though Oxygen's resolution is better overall
"The systems aren't the problem. How people use and exploit the system, that's the problem." 🤮🤮🤮 It's not only groan-worthy, it's also factually inaccurate. I also like that at the end of Oxygen, the Doctor says "So far as I remember, there's a successful rebellion six months later, corporate dominance in space is history, and that about wraps it for capitalism," and Bill replies "Yay!" An anti-capitalist revolution is canonical in the Whoniverse timeline and it's treated as a good thing. 😊
@@madnightguard6296Are you implying that laws and regulations are automatically socialist features? That’s moronic. You can have laws and regulations under any system, including capitalism.
@@madnightguard6296 What are you on about? Capitalism is a system, and it relies on laws and regulations to enforce private property. How is _"capitalist nation"_ an oxymoron? Is capitalism a form of anarchy to you? Because if so, you have such a personal definition of capitalism that it's bizarre for you to come in and correct people with your ridiculous definition that isn't what anyone else is talking about.
Oxygen is the best of these IMO, it's the most grounded episode and feels like something that could actually be real as well as working as a good metaphor for current systems. Kerblam was all over the place and could have had a much stronger message that's more realistic than "people not robots". Boom is the second best, it does a good job with the critical message but it is a bit over-the-top and exaggerated... granted plenty of people are so dense that if the words "captialism is bad" aren't spoken the message would go right over their head, ala the number of people who watched Dot and Bubble and failed to get the very clear message of "these people are hella racist"
I really hate how it does feel like the writers do believe the Kerblam bs when in reality the issue with systems like that is that they have exploits that can be abused like that. And 9 times out of 10 they exist because it's also the people above that exploit them.
Simple rule of life: anything that can be exploited, will be Not by the majority of people, most people are decent. But the few willing to exploit destroy it for everyone else. So for a systhem to be working, it has to allow no exploits at all or be designed to work despite people exploiting where they can. We haven't found any sythem yet that works well long term, but to say a systhem works despite it failing to exploits is ridiculous.
The problem with Kerblam was that the Doctor let the guy die and that "resolution" was to give the jobs back to humans (not even mentioning the fact that the company is closed for a month but the workers only get 2 weeks of holiday). Why not change the system? But other than that, it's unfair to compare it to Oxygen and Boom I think because the point is different.
Oxygen is so good at toeing the line. Like New New Who or whatever sometimes switches so quick between serious lecturing and wacky lol random humor. Obviously Kablam sucks at everything. But Oxygen will lines like "we're fighting the suits" not only fits naturalistically but gives a little fun wink.
I find it interesting that all 3 are different discussions. Oxygen is about the devaluing of human life inside of a capitalistic infrastructure. Kerblam thinks its about human corruption in capitalism, but really actually makes a better case against the necessity of employment and money in an automated world and the general populations corrupt manipulation by marketing. While boom is about the effects of capitalism incentivizing and worsen the world of combat. They all 3 are about capitalism, but don't necessarily contradict or support each other in context because they each reframe the discussion about a specific issue inside capitalism. Only when you take too many steps back does it look like they are in contrast or support as you see capitalism portrayed on 1 side of the discussion.
So in Kerblam, The Doctor says that the system is not the problem, then kills a worker who rebelled agaisnt an unfair system, then had a little chat with upper management who promised to do good things. I am very glad I didn't went past the second episode. Jodie deserved better writing...
and worst part is it was back to back with bad writing (Except demons of Punjab, which I heard was decent) Spiders of uk: " No Trump, we should let the big spider die in agony rather than kill it with a gun. Guns are bad" The Tsuranga Conundrum: It takes the Doctor almost 30mins to realize that the thing that looks like a baby... is a baby. Then they kill it.
@@NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL oxygen was more subtle, it was just normal horror then at the end you find out it’s all about the corpo. That’s good storytelling. Everyone in that story was acting as intelligent beings, doing their best work. Not bad commentary on religious faith and soldiers so incompetent that they bring children on battlefields and fight mud and dust.
I think that if *Kablam* wasn't written by a typewriter monkey with a very superficial social understanding, a case could be made that 10% of the workforce being human does not equate to humans having dignified jobs, and how corporations will always find ways to squeeze the most money from society while paying as little as possible to their workers. But this would be asking too much from a bunch of crumpled words.
While I'm not a fan of this episode or season, I think the intended distinction between Kerblam and the other examples is a thinking, empathizing intelligence. The AI in the suits and the AI in the ambulance were both cold, unthinking algorithms designed by companies to maximize profit at the expense of human life. The AI in Kerblam recognized it was being used to harm millions and reached out for help to prevent this. When it killed, it did so for emotional reasons, intending (at least according to the Doctor) to show the killer how it feels to invoke empathy. (not a fan of how accepting Doc is with this death tho) What I've always loved about the Doctor when I first began watching as a child is that there was a fairness in their kindness - they didn't assume an alien was a monster, they saw beauty and sought understanding in creatures most would fear or hate or write off. They gave chances, they listened. It feels entirely in character for the Doctor to dislike programs and algorithms designed to be used against people, while at the same time being compassionate or trying to understand a truly sentient Artificial intelligence. That said, we don’t actually have any evidence that the Kerblam AI wasn’t just a tool. The aspect of trying to protect the lives of its customers could really just come down to protecting customers, protecting the money and maximizing the profits. The fact that it had no issue murdering an innocent to make a point doesn’t help. And I feel like the Doctor should have had an issue with that.
...and of course, the average viewer isn't watching Doctor Who for nuance. The broad strokes this ep painted on the surface was 'heyy wait maybe Amazon's ACTUALLY the good guys!" and that feels pretty ick
I put it in a big bag under my desk so I can reuse it to send people presents, so I'd be fine, accept for the bit where I discover I've accidentally sent a bomb to my mum.
Showrunner approves the script. Showrunner is the editor. Showrunner can do whatever he wants to the script, just look at Nightmare in Silver being mutilated by Moffat's Moffatisms. It's Chibnall's fault for not doing his damn job.
@@afgor1088 if you’re making a piece of entertainment it is, quality and factual integrity goes without saying, but if you’re trying to make media intended to entertain people and can’t keep your politics in your pants, it’s vital to be subtle, because an episode where the characters make talking points then wink at the screen isn’t fun to watch regardless if you agree with what’s being piped out or not.
Oxygen is an episode that hits harder now for me as I hope to take up VFX and animation and game design in the future, but as AI becomes more popular to corporations and lazy individuals, that hope becomes less likely to happen, unless I choose a more indie route.
I always find it impossible to see 13 on the same level as any other doctor, her whole outlook on things makes her act like a totally different character than every other doctor. And you can say “oh she’s regenerated of course she’s not going to be exactly the same as her previous regenerations”, but this isn’t just a different regeneration, this is like a completely separate character who’s core beliefs have been drastically altered due to the difference in writing team. Imagine how other doctors would respond to seeing an oppressive capitalist corporation colonising a natural planet for monetary gain and exploiting its workers in crappy work environments and terrible wages.
Hated Kerblam, thought it was going to be a story about disillusionment, but NOPE, speech goes COMPLETELY off topic! That being said, I still like the 13th Doctor era as a whole. I used to like Oxygen, but that was when I was a cynical prick who thought misery in fiction equalled quality(you know, typical viewer of youtube reviewer stuff), and I don't think I've watched it since, so opinion pending. Boom. It's a heavy episode in a season of consecutive heavy episodes. I don't remember how I reacted when I watched it, but I feel emotionally drained thinking about it.
Just wanna ask, how is the new Doctor doing for ya'll? I saw the the David Tennant specials that introduced him, and to me, Doctor Who as show in general feels like a Sci-fi movie that resolves everything too quickly and makes up sci-fi mumbo jumbo terms on the spot. Of course the specials are the only episodes I've seen outside of clips and shorts. Also, the Doc is pretty obviously gay coded, so I don't know if that harshes anything to anyone.
What I find interesting in these comments is people saying Oxygen is by far superior (which I agree) but then also Boom being considered the best of the new series and people still think the new series is the best who we've ever had.
Peter Capaldi is brilliant. The show was weaker around him, but his acting and the writing of his dialogue was often brilliant. Kerblam shows how weaker and virtue signalling the show gotten, rather than genuine, actual critiques. Gatwa is brilliant here as well, I feel bad for Jodie because she's a decent actor, but I think the script, direction, etc just was done poorly for her.
As much as I hate everything this show has done over the last 5 years, there was one clear exception: Moffat's episode Boom, which was very good and reminded me of a old programme called Doctor Who, anyone remember that?
@@Ted_CurtisHe is ironic about the fact that there have been no normal episodes of Dr Who for 5 years since Moffat left, which is an actual truth. Boom is a very good episode, but the rest of them that i watched from season 14 is just meh. Even in special, the first episode of which is a deadly cringe, and the third, in my opinion, Toymaker loses too quickly. The second episode of the special is the best, straight from the old RTD times.
yo that kerblam episode is getting worse and worse the more I see bits of it just finished the last Capaldi season but if I have to watch this for 3 seasons I'm just gonna skip it
With a heavy heart I can say: just do it. Skip right to 14th Doctor, the one good episode from Whitaker's run introduced the worst finale ever so even that is not worth it.
Ironically I think that scene was actually one of her best performances in her tenure. In the later seasons, she just sort of phone it in. In this scene, she's actually conflicted and empathetic; in later seasons, she's just preachy and one-dimensional in her performance
Anyone else feel like RTD doesn’t know how to end episodes properly? I feel like all of his recent episodes have started with a very good concept, then completely nosedived by the last 10 minutes.
No. And Boom is a Moffat episode, not an RTD one. Perhaps 73 Yards wraps up way too quick, but the ending of Dot and Bubble is easily the best thing about it.
His resolutions can be comparatively much weaker, the setups sometimes are TOO strong in relation to how he ends episodes, it feels like he writes himself into a corner with some banging setups
I think it's more an inherent weakness of the 45 minute episode format. For me, if they're going to get it wrong I'd rather have a story that's trying to do too much and falls down in some areas than have a story which isn't enough to fill the time.
@@matthewlacey4198 I'm not sure there is an optimal length. In some ways the classic series did this better - by having multiple-part stories with shorter episodes you had a bit more flexibility (in theory you can choose the right number of episodes based on the story - didn't work like that back then of course as the impression I get is that they decided on the number of episodes before they wrote the stories. The result was most often ending up with lots of filler rather than rushed endings.)
@@somerandomyoutubeaccount5895 Sadly yes. And I know you're going to cast me into some categorical version of "biased hater" so I can already feel the judgment coming. But there is no plot. And I can prove it with just 1 question. Why did the first scene happen?
@hirudinaria I see where you are coming from, but the first scene is just to build sympathy so we feel at least something when that character dies, and what follows sets up the idea of the AI ambulance and the mine. Even if it wasn't needed, or some dislike that scene, it wasn't useless
kerblam litterally tries to argue that the system that killed an innocent to prove a point isnt the problem, its the system, and then proceeds to hand the burden of fixing it to people who really dont have a reason to do so.
Also the doctor let's the guy die in Kerblam. Srsly She kills a Tardis, let's spiders asphyxiate to their death and reveals the master to Nazis. Like hell man, 13 was full psycho doctor.If even half of her actions were called out, they could have done a nice 7th doctor like thing with her
some flaws are just noticeable, and some are easy to overlook. To me, Rogue added a romantic partner for the doctor that developed far too quickly for rogue to have any attachment to the doctor. I just don't trust that Rogue was willing to sacrifice what he had for a man he met, what? 3 hours ago at the very most? flaws, primarily in the case of shows like doctor who, break the illusion. they take you back to the fact that you're watching a tv show from the bbc on disney plus, and nothing else. as the other commenters stated, kerblam holds an impressive logical oversight in it's resolution that makes it difficult for a casual watcher to engage in. You may enjoy the episode, and there's no shame in that, but ignoring and pretending like flaws are always insignificant is a tad silly.
Wouldn’t call Boom an episode that ‘fixes’ Kerblam. In terms of 13 being a borderline shrill for Kerblam and 15 being against Villangard; yes Boom is better. But the themes of Boom are so confused and conflicted, they contradict the Doctor’s values in a different way to Kerblam when it comes to the theme of ‘faith’ which is rly odd. Since a lot of Moffat’s who episodes needs a character to have an insane amount of blind faith to succeed (Amy needs to littetally have faith to bring the Doctor back from being erased from existence for example) Also when 15 explains that the landline has lights because of ‘capitalism’ - the reason he gives means almost nothing. Well. Either that or I didn’t understand it, which is always a possibility. Genuinely adding this bit too my comment in the hope that someone will explain that line to me 😂
shiny bright lights = more people will buy it. In the same way that brighter colours and easy-to-read fonts on packaging is better for business, on something like a landmine, flashing lights is an eye-catching way to stand out from other competitors in the industry. Think of those light-up shoes that kids wear that sparkle every time you step on them? It’s the same idea.
The idea is that the bright lights etc make the landmines look more advanced or technological. It's the idea that the people buying these products are buying them off a show-room floor because of how cool or flashy they look rather than how functional they actually are. Think about people buying stuff like the Tesla cybertruck because it looks advanced and futuristic even though in practice it's a pretty terrible product. There's a disconnect between the actual war and the market/finance that surrounds it.
The Doctor needs an entire series where they lead a socialist revolution and bring down intergalactic capitalism. It would be a natural role for an anti-authoritarian character 😊
Communists are illiterate. And I don't just mean economically, they're just very literally, in general, illiterate. They have no idea what "capitalism" even actually means. Think any market is a "Free market" and so on and so on. Their ignorance to something even as basic and simple as meaning as a word is boundless, that's why they end up being communists.
So you guys hate the Doctor when they defend capitalism? Kerblam was literally made for some of you and yet you reject it so hard. Boom was wank and the anti-capitalism message in it was utterly stupid and unbelievable. Why would any group, country or planet purchase weaponry that does more harm to you own soldiers than anything else? This episode imagines Villengard as the only manufacturer of weapons and that there isn't any better competition that would sell you arms without killing your own men. This isn't purely capitalism that is criticised. This is a monopoly, and it's a company that shouldn't exist. Surely competition could do something similar to Villengard without slaughtering the buyers own men - or there could even be laws to prevent that kind of thing happening. Are we to imagine that somehow this was so profitable that they cannot have any competition? And surely what of the soldiers, the officers and the entire population they are fighting for? Surely they witness people not being saved because it costs too much, or the higher ups understand the product they are using - why would any side in a war that want to win the war use a product that keeps the war going? Villengards products only work for themselves so it's unbelievable how and why anyone uses them - it cannot be fair, it cannot be simply capitalism at work. The company is obviously up to no good and so a catch all critique of capitalism doesn't really work here, at all. Would have made more sense if Villengard just sold a product that allowed the user, in this case the leaders of the military, to designate their OWN acceptable levels of losses and costs of saving lives. In fact, the episode hints this might have once been the case within the script but it seems it got waived to the side to make a jab at capitalism as a whole. It's such a surface level critique it's basically a waste of time. Any one who thinks it's worthwhile is revealing they understand so little of how the world actually works.
These were all fairly poorly written episodes but boy did Boom suck. An Episode where he stands on a magic landmine for a whole episode, cries a lot, other people run around in an active minefield, he cries a lot, they do some bullshit "that's my Dad!" with a translucent blue hologram, he cries a lot, and then deus ex machina for no reason. People said that Episode was good but it's legit one of the worst Who episodes in the history of the entirety of the franchise. Nothing happened, he cried, ass pull, the end.
If you sum up ANY episode with such bad faith and cynicism, of course it's going to sound bad. Is Heaven Sent just the Doctor doing a monologue while slowly breaking a wall? If you think so, I genuinely wonder what you find interesting in watching any series or movie.
Why are they so obsessed with going after capitalism but when was the last time they had a commentary on communism or socialism. Or doesn't that fit the agenda
The fact that the episode co-funded by Disney is a better anti-capitalist message than the one overseen by Chibs is wild.
No it isnt
Wildly incorrect 🤣🤣
Amazon funds some of the most anti-capitalist media of the day, namely The Boys, Fallout, and Upload
@@kuggacouragegx6093 how so
Chibnall doesn't understand the apeal of Dr Who.
"The system isn't the problem," I actually want to throw up hearing the Doctor say that. I physically am cringing. Imagine hearing Smoky the bear start talking about how Forest Fires aren't anyones fault, and leaving campfires going and throwing cigarette butts into the woods is actually okay.
The Doctor, a character well known for challenging the systems that oppress people and actively strives for a better world for all people regardless of societal norms and standards, openly defending an oppressive and exploitative system that’s ruined the lives of many. Just breaks my heart, this just ain’t the same doctor we all know and love 💀
According to the writer, "the systems" were meant to be automation.
...That was not how it came off.
I also find it hilarious that an equally supported message you can take from this episode is "when you're fighting for worker's rights, violence is very effective. Don't unionise, don't go on strike, learn how to make bombs."
i cant help but think that Boom is Steven Moffat’s direct response to Kerblam, even down to the name being so similar.
absolutely. it's the most Moffat episode to ever Moffat against the most chibnall episode to ever chibnall and Moffat blew it out the park it was brilliant
Can yall stop talking about kerblam when yall don't even understand it nor what capitalism is. Yall will praise anything that isn't kerblam wjen those 2 episodes did a bad job at it
@@justanormalhumanbeing1903no it isn't stupid, u need to stfu and stop reaching
@@kuggacouragegx6093 your comment genuinely reads like a 3rd grader wrote it.
@@kuggacouragegx6093 Ok there Adam Smith Jr, pls enlighten us with the genius of Kerblam that you have grasped and while you are at it, also tell us about this mystical insight into capitalism that only you have access to while everyone else choses to live in the shadow of ignorance.
“The systems aren’t the problem.”
My sister in SPACETIME, the system in question is “either starve yourself efficiently enough or you don’t get to see your family this year.”
Exactly even without the killer AI being used by corrupt people, other workers were still being exploited under the system and it’s crazy to me how nobody ever truly points that out in the episode. Complete mishandling of this sort of subject and sends the totally incorrect message 💀
@@Shuffles_Art I love how the writers phrase it. "iT wAs tRYiNg tO sHoW yOu wHaT iT fEeLs LiKe" THAT'S REVENGE. You are having THE DOCTOR justify the REVENGE KILLING of an innocent person!
@@RealCoolstriker64 ugh ikr?? Like even if that was its reasoning, the doctor would never see that as any sort of excuse to literally kill an innocent human being. Every other doctor always has some sort of message against enacting revenge on someone even your greatest enemies. Christopher Eccleston and Tom Baker both had huge moments where they contemplated wiping out the entire Dalek race just to get revenge on what they did to the time lords, but he decides against it because it’s not the doctor’s place to decide who lives and who dies
Damn, imagine the Doctor having a problem with terrorism. Unthinkable.
@@RealCoolstriker64 the person she's talking to is literally a terrorist and is the one killing people in the episode. But no, the Doctor is bad for not being on his side lol you communists are so blinded by your ideology
Jodie's chance as the doctor really was mistreated by Chibnall
"I'm the Doctor. I will do everything in my power to save all of your lives, and when I do you will spend the rest of them wondering who I was and why I helped you."
Moffat was committed to making sure Capaldi would stick with us.
"We're fighting the suits" is such a good line
"(groans) capitalism" is a wild line and i love it
Lol same. It's hilarious.
same energy as "capitalism in space."
The Doctor had dealings with Villengard before. The 9th Doctor took credit for destroying their weapons factory, though it wasn't clear whether it was done by him or by an earlier incarnation (I understand there's a comic that attributes this act to the War Doctor, though I haven't read it myself). I assume that, from a linear point of view, this took place *after* the events of Boom, though from the Doctor's PoV it obviously happened earlier
I think it's interesting that the only thing wrong with kerblam is the doctor. The company is crab and abuses labor, someone, while not entirely morally sound, tries to make a stand, the system tries to save itself; all this while the doctor is advocating eradication of the labor force, getting excited about the headquarters, and punishing the guy who wanted to stop the system he'd been born into, forced to deal with, and threatened by many times. The part where the system *kills his girlfriend* is framed as his fault.
Oxygen>Boom>>>>>Kerblam
I feel like oxygen>>Boom
@@carlll7596 isnt that what they said
@@curse7622 im saying its better than just one >
oxygen >>>>>>>>>>>boom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kerblam
Facts
What really irks me about the Kerblam episode is how performative it sounds when the manager says "propose being a people lead company", like she just straight up leaves actual change up to the people benefiting more in keeping things as they are
Let me defend kerblam for a moment. Lets say an extremist was treatening to put bombs in random amazon packages to make a point about amazon woukd you think that was a good thing? I think the episode is a great concept executed very poorly
@@jplegend98I don’t think it’s doing anything special. There are loads of stories where the villain was driven to extremism by a real life societal issue. And the laziest way to end a story like that is to use the villain’s actions as an excuse to not say anything meaningful about the societal issue.
Kerblam is basically saying that while the real life exploitation in Amazon warehouses is bad, it would be worse if one of the employees tried to kill millions of innocent people with exploding bubble wrap. And like, yeah no shit that would be worse
Like, you could do what X-Men does, where the heroes are fighting for the same thing Magneto is, and are occasionally forced to admit he has a point even though he’s still clearly a villain. Or you can do what Breaking Bad did, and just not have the cost of cancer treatment in the US factor into Walt’s motives at all, so the story has no reason to discuss it
@@mredbadgerOr, and that's what I took from the episode, you can try to unionize and actually talk with people in your same situation, instead of using them because you know better (like Charlie did to his colleagues).
Not mentioning no upper board manager appeared in the episode, just worker (because, yes, the two PR executives in the episode are not part of the board - like everyone that had experience in a company knows, PR executives are just workers with a better suit and the disgraceful job of trying to mediate between the board and the rest of the workers).
@@UomodAltriTempiThe only argument the episode puts forward is that it would be very bad if someone killed lots of people with exploding bubble wrap
Like, yes, unionizing would be better. So would doing nothing and letting the warehouses continue to exploit its workforce. The episode itself doesn’t have much of a preference
@@mredbadger It seem odd to say this given how many people are complaining about current Who being too message-focused, but Kerblam! is a great example of what happens when you give no thought to the wider message your story is telling. Absent the unfortunate (and I believe entirely accidental) messaging Kerblam! was one of the better stories of that season, but I'd argue it stands as proof that writers do need pay attention to theme and message.
Real talk. Did anyone else feel genuine sadness for Kira when she opened that empty box?
She was so excited and then, nah...
Put SOMETHING in it!
You felt more sadness for that than for the fact she got killed? She was written as innocent and happy to be enslaved only so that we would feel something when she died
I felt nothing. She wasn't a real human, she was a tool for the plot.
@@pascalsimioli6777 So while you felt nothing for her at all, you're chastising me for feeling sad that her optimism was returned with a hallow empty promise of a gift?
@@pascalsimioli6777 In fact, you just gaslit me into thinking I said that.
I didn't even say I was "more" sad about it than her being killed, I just said it made me sad that the box was empty.
finally someone who recognizes the greatness of oxygen. probably the only nuwho episode that does the "capitalistic horror" trope almost perfectly. except maybe the revolutions resolution, that could have been finetuned a little but otherwise perfect
The politics of Kablam are so awful, I'm really glad they fixed that in Boom
By not addressing it? Or by completely butchering it? 😮😮
@@hirudinaria by writing the message in a way where it doesn’t feel contradictory to what the moral’s of previous eras were.
@@somerandomyoutubeaccount5895 So Kerblam pointing out that humans can be evil too is contradictory to Capitalism is evil?? 😄😄
As for Boom, it doesn't even entertain the idea that the capitalists are intelligent and money minded, contrary to Oxygen that relied on the profitable acumen of the industry
@@hirudinaria Kerblam villainises attempts to fight against an oppressive system and glorifies the oppressive system remaining in place, it doesn't "point out that humans can be evil too" (??)
Have you even watched Boom? Multiple times the Doctor references how the Villengard are some of the biggest moneymakers in the galaxy and have made war into an insanely lucrative business - sounds like "entertaining the idea of capitalists being intelligent and money-minded" to me
Seriously. Who would have thought that Doctor Who would become a shill for Amazon.
I originally made a Kablam vs Boom video I had just seen Boom and thought it was incredible now I've re-watched Oxygen and I think Boom is decent great story for the most part but the ending is a bit of a ex machina with the AI much prefer Oxygen and its ending.
Of particular relevance in this comparison is the fact that in Kablam the individuals killed are all the low level workers and the people who take action for change is management but in Oxygen some of the low level workers survived and they are the ones who will be fighting for change. The people who's friends and loved ones died are the ones who seek change not those relatively unaffected by the issues.
Also if Charlie had tested the explosives on the robots not people and he planned on blowing up the kablam base I imagine him an 12 would have gotten along well.
Boom very much reminds me of the "Love is not an emotion, love is a promise!" line from Capaldi's first season finale
I personally prefer Boom overall but Oxygen does have a better ending. Boom and Oxygen are both great for sure and Kerblam is… well one of the worst thirteen episodes which unfortunately says a lot.
Disagree that Boom resolution is Deus ex Machina, I think it is pretty central to the themes of the episode and was set up from the very first scene. Though Oxygen's resolution is better overall
Would you consider doing another one of these with The Sun Makers added in?
In other words, Moffat gets it. Chibs is contradictory
Chibnal just doesn’t know how to write Doctor Who in all honesty. He has rare moments but it’s *very* few and far between 😭
@Shuffles_Art yeah lol he just can't get the v i b e Doctor Who has!
"The systems aren't the problem. How people use and exploit the system, that's the problem." 🤮🤮🤮
It's not only groan-worthy, it's also factually inaccurate.
I also like that at the end of Oxygen, the Doctor says "So far as I remember, there's a successful rebellion six months later, corporate dominance in space is history, and that about wraps it for capitalism," and Bill replies "Yay!" An anti-capitalist revolution is canonical in the Whoniverse timeline and it's treated as a good thing. 😊
Capitalism isn't a system. Laws and regulations are brought up in Kerblam. The very idea of a "capitalist nation" is an oxymoron.
@@madnightguard6296Are you implying that laws and regulations are automatically socialist features? That’s moronic. You can have laws and regulations under any system, including capitalism.
@@madnightguard6296 What are you on about? Capitalism is a system, and it relies on laws and regulations to enforce private property.
How is _"capitalist nation"_ an oxymoron? Is capitalism a form of anarchy to you? Because if so, you have such a personal definition of capitalism that it's bizarre for you to come in and correct people with your ridiculous definition that isn't what anyone else is talking about.
Yes
That statement is actually very true. Sorry your ideology doesn't allow you to see that.
Kerblam was the worst of it. It started ok but the twist in the end was "actually the system is ok, the problem is a few people".
Oxygen is the best of these IMO, it's the most grounded episode and feels like something that could actually be real as well as working as a good metaphor for current systems. Kerblam was all over the place and could have had a much stronger message that's more realistic than "people not robots". Boom is the second best, it does a good job with the critical message but it is a bit over-the-top and exaggerated... granted plenty of people are so dense that if the words "captialism is bad" aren't spoken the message would go right over their head, ala the number of people who watched Dot and Bubble and failed to get the very clear message of "these people are hella racist"
Oxygen is by far the best
I really hate how it does feel like the writers do believe the Kerblam bs when in reality the issue with systems like that is that they have exploits that can be abused like that. And 9 times out of 10 they exist because it's also the people above that exploit them.
It's such a weird line. "The system isn't the problem, the way it's used is". Like obviously the system is the problem if it can be used for evil?
Simple rule of life: anything that can be exploited, will be
Not by the majority of people, most people are decent. But the few willing to exploit destroy it for everyone else.
So for a systhem to be working, it has to allow no exploits at all or be designed to work despite people exploiting where they can.
We haven't found any sythem yet that works well long term, but to say a systhem works despite it failing to exploits is ridiculous.
The problem with Kerblam was that the Doctor let the guy die and that "resolution" was to give the jobs back to humans (not even mentioning the fact that the company is closed for a month but the workers only get 2 weeks of holiday). Why not change the system?
But other than that, it's unfair to compare it to Oxygen and Boom I think because the point is different.
Oxygen is so good at toeing the line. Like New New Who or whatever sometimes switches so quick between serious lecturing and wacky lol random humor. Obviously Kablam sucks at everything. But Oxygen will lines like "we're fighting the suits" not only fits naturalistically but gives a little fun wink.
I never caught the pun there! Jamie Mathieson is still my favorite doctor who writer.
I find it interesting that all 3 are different discussions.
Oxygen is about the devaluing of human life inside of a capitalistic infrastructure.
Kerblam thinks its about human corruption in capitalism, but really actually makes a better case against the necessity of employment and money in an automated world and the general populations corrupt manipulation by marketing.
While boom is about the effects of capitalism incentivizing and worsen the world of combat.
They all 3 are about capitalism, but don't necessarily contradict or support each other in context because they each reframe the discussion about a specific issue inside capitalism. Only when you take too many steps back does it look like they are in contrast or support as you see capitalism portrayed on 1 side of the discussion.
So in Kerblam, The Doctor says that the system is not the problem, then kills a worker who rebelled agaisnt an unfair system, then had a little chat with upper management who promised to do good things.
I am very glad I didn't went past the second episode. Jodie deserved better writing...
and worst part is it was back to back with bad writing (Except demons of Punjab, which I heard was decent)
Spiders of uk: " No Trump, we should let the big spider die in agony rather than kill it with a gun. Guns are bad"
The Tsuranga Conundrum:
It takes the Doctor almost 30mins to realize that the thing that looks like a baby... is a baby. Then they kill it.
He wasn't just a worker who "rebelled against an unfair system"; he was a terrorist sending bombs to unsuspecting innocent people.
I think Kerblam is awful.
Boom and Oxygen are kinda equal tbh. Both great
Thin ice would best if we were counting that 😂
Boom is mediocre… Oxygen is far better. They aren’t equals
@@alphamineron idk I haven’t seen oxygen in ages but these clips r pretty equal. Oxygen probs I slightly prefer but Boons got some awesome moments.
@@NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL oxygen was more subtle, it was just normal horror then at the end you find out it’s all about the corpo. That’s good storytelling. Everyone in that story was acting as intelligent beings, doing their best work. Not bad commentary on religious faith and soldiers so incompetent that they bring children on battlefields and fight mud and dust.
@@alphamineron Oxygen wasn't more subtle. Neither of those episodes were subtle.
@@alphamineron Of course they aren't equals, one has Capaldi, the other doesn't.
oxygen was just so matter-of-fact, kerblam was bootlicking, and boom made me cry
Wait so 13 straight up murdered that guy right?
there was no reason to make the robots blow themselves up
she just strait up killed that guy
peter capaldi was amazing.
You should have included 11s living flesh
I think that if *Kablam* wasn't written by a typewriter monkey with a very superficial social understanding, a case could be made that 10% of the workforce being human does not equate to humans having dignified jobs, and how corporations will always find ways to squeeze the most money from society while paying as little as possible to their workers. But this would be asking too much from a bunch of crumpled words.
Thank you for this. So much, you made my day!
I dont know why but i thought this was going to be about the audio syncing of the title sequences
While I'm not a fan of this episode or season, I think the intended distinction between Kerblam and the other examples is a thinking, empathizing intelligence. The AI in the suits and the AI in the ambulance were both cold, unthinking algorithms designed by companies to maximize profit at the expense of human life.
The AI in Kerblam recognized it was being used to harm millions and reached out for help to prevent this. When it killed, it did so for emotional reasons, intending (at least according to the Doctor) to show the killer how it feels to invoke empathy. (not a fan of how accepting Doc is with this death tho)
What I've always loved about the Doctor when I first began watching as a child is that there was a fairness in their kindness - they didn't assume an alien was a monster, they saw beauty and sought understanding in creatures most would fear or hate or write off. They gave chances, they listened.
It feels entirely in character for the Doctor to dislike programs and algorithms designed to be used against people, while at the same time being compassionate or trying to understand a truly sentient Artificial intelligence.
That said, we don’t actually have any evidence that the Kerblam AI wasn’t just a tool. The aspect of trying to protect the lives of its customers could really just come down to protecting customers, protecting the money and maximizing the profits. The fact that it had no issue murdering an innocent to make a point doesn’t help. And I feel like the Doctor should have had an issue with that.
...and of course, the average viewer isn't watching Doctor Who for nuance. The broad strokes this ep painted on the surface was 'heyy wait maybe Amazon's ACTUALLY the good guys!" and that feels pretty ick
"what everyone does with bubble wrap" I'm safe because I don't do that.
I put it in a big bag under my desk so I can reuse it to send people presents, so I'd be fine, accept for the bit where I discover I've accidentally sent a bomb to my mum.
@@wendyheatherwood I think the news would get out by then
i would love for jodie to come back for 1 episode but under rtd
specifically the joyful pre-flux version
maybe after graham and ryan left, bc we know they did some stuff during that time before the events of the flux
We can even add Inferno and Caves of Androzani to the mix
I love the fact that all the Capitalism episodes have just a one word title. It satisfies me in a way I never knew I needed.
id have loved to see a comparison to the sunmakers too
Lol that moment 15 just pushes Ruby back down
The thing that sucks about Kerblam! is that the design of those robots is SOO good, too bad they were so wasted
Kerblam would be the worst episode of Modern Who if not for Kill The Moon.
KTM was the absolute worst
Loved peter capaldi and mat lucas in their final series
I appreciate that even though even though you’re not conparing Thin Ice, you include that monolouge
PSA: CHIBNALL DID NOT WRITE KERBLAM. IT WAS A GUEST WRITER. BLAME PETE MCTIGHE.
Showrunner approves the script. Showrunner is the editor. Showrunner can do whatever he wants to the script, just look at Nightmare in Silver being mutilated by Moffat's Moffatisms. It's Chibnall's fault for not doing his damn job.
Wasn't Valenguard the same company that provided Captain Jack's squareness gun?
I hear there's a banana grove there now
@@andco53 bananas are good.
Subtlety is the most important thing about political entertainment media, these episodes are a perfect example of what happens when you forget that.
that is not the most important thing...
@@afgor1088 if you’re making a piece of entertainment it is, quality and factual integrity goes without saying, but if you’re trying to make media intended to entertain people and can’t keep your politics in your pants, it’s vital to be subtle, because an episode where the characters make talking points then wink at the screen isn’t fun to watch regardless if you agree with what’s being piped out or not.
"the system aren't the problem, it's how people exploit those systems"
You mean the system that was specifically designed to be exploited this way?
Not liking a system doesn't give you the right to send bombs to innocent people
based
I like oxygen
Companies not companys.
Oxygen is an episode that hits harder now for me as I hope to take up VFX and animation and game design in the future, but as AI becomes more popular to corporations and lazy individuals, that hope becomes less likely to happen, unless I choose a more indie route.
I always find it impossible to see 13 on the same level as any other doctor, her whole outlook on things makes her act like a totally different character than every other doctor. And you can say “oh she’s regenerated of course she’s not going to be exactly the same as her previous regenerations”, but this isn’t just a different regeneration, this is like a completely separate character who’s core beliefs have been drastically altered due to the difference in writing team. Imagine how other doctors would respond to seeing an oppressive capitalist corporation colonising a natural planet for monetary gain and exploiting its workers in crappy work environments and terrible wages.
Oxygen is my favorite one of these, and its depiction of capitalism chilled me the most.
Hated Kerblam, thought it was going to be a story about disillusionment, but NOPE, speech goes COMPLETELY off topic! That being said, I still like the 13th Doctor era as a whole.
I used to like Oxygen, but that was when I was a cynical prick who thought misery in fiction equalled quality(you know, typical viewer of youtube reviewer stuff), and I don't think I've watched it since, so opinion pending.
Boom. It's a heavy episode in a season of consecutive heavy episodes. I don't remember how I reacted when I watched it, but I feel emotionally drained thinking about it.
Companies* is the plural form of company. “Company’s” means “belonging to the company”
get a life.
Just wanna ask, how is the new Doctor doing for ya'll?
I saw the the David Tennant specials that introduced him, and to me, Doctor Who as show in general feels like a Sci-fi movie that resolves everything too quickly and makes up sci-fi mumbo jumbo terms on the spot.
Of course the specials are the only episodes I've seen outside of clips and shorts.
Also, the Doc is pretty obviously gay coded, so I don't know if that harshes anything to anyone.
Do you reckon it was deliberately called "Boom" in order to ensure peie compared it to "Kerblam!"?
I still don’t love Moffat’s writing, but at least it ain’t THAT.
Oxygen is so good
What I find interesting in these comments is people saying Oxygen is by far superior (which I agree) but then also Boom being considered the best of the new series and people still think the new series is the best who we've ever had.
Based 13
Peter Capaldi is brilliant. The show was weaker around him, but his acting and the writing of his dialogue was often brilliant. Kerblam shows how weaker and virtue signalling the show gotten, rather than genuine, actual critiques. Gatwa is brilliant here as well, I feel bad for Jodie because she's a decent actor, but I think the script, direction, etc just was done poorly for her.
The difference is 13 was fully pro-capitalism
As much as I hate everything this show has done over the last 5 years, there was one clear exception: Moffat's episode Boom, which was very good and reminded me of a old programme called Doctor Who, anyone remember that?
Ah yes I remember the good old days back when Boom released last month, fellow person who has definitely watched the show
@@Ted_CurtisHe is ironic about the fact that there have been no normal episodes of Dr Who for 5 years since Moffat left, which is an actual truth. Boom is a very good episode, but the rest of them that i watched from season 14 is just meh. Even in special, the first episode of which is a deadly cringe, and the third, in my opinion, Toymaker loses too quickly. The second episode of the special is the best, straight from the old RTD times.
@@FakeCMD28 Rogue felt like the most traditional Doctor Who episode we've had in a while. These week's episode was also classic Doctor Who
@@Ted_Curtis Ah yes that classic Who tradition of the Doctor getting sexual with men! Just like the good old days! :D
@Ted_Curtis
Rogue was a trash episode.
12: the problem is capitalism
13: the problem is those damn unions >:c and people exploiting the system!!!!
14: the problem is capitalism
Can't believe how woke Chibnell's era was, thank goodness for saviour of the West Steven Moffatt and his pro-capitalist writing
what...?
@@amiccus_ Steven Moffatt, bastion of the West against the woke mob. The only show runner to keep politics out of Doctor Who, unlike Chris Chinballs
@@amiccus_ Satire probably
@@idle_speculation it is, though I get that it's hard to distinguish between some of the lobotomites which actually post this nonsense
yo that kerblam episode is getting worse and worse the more I see bits of it
just finished the last Capaldi season but if I have to watch this for 3 seasons I'm just gonna skip it
With a heavy heart I can say: just do it. Skip right to 14th Doctor, the one good episode from Whitaker's run introduced the worst finale ever so even that is not worth it.
@@Adrianovaz2007 the haunting one yeah?
@@Carmel3141 yeah that's the one.
And people don’t understand why 13 is the worst Doctor
Ironically I think that scene was actually one of her best performances in her tenure. In the later seasons, she just sort of phone it in. In this scene, she's actually conflicted and empathetic; in later seasons, she's just preachy and one-dimensional in her performance
It's KERblam. It's RIGHT THERE in the thumbnail & @ 0:07
Kerblam was not really good, but Oxygon and Bam were really great.
I wonder if Kerblam's novelization was any better
Me too. Too bad I'll never have time to read a Kerslam novel.
12th and 15th: I hate AI and how its being used to harm people
13th: Why do people work here? Just have the AI do everything.
Thanks Chibnall
I'm miss it when doctor who actually was doctor who. To me doctor who died the day Peter Capaldi left.
Anyone else feel like RTD doesn’t know how to end episodes properly? I feel like all of his recent episodes have started with a very good concept, then completely nosedived by the last 10 minutes.
No. And Boom is a Moffat episode, not an RTD one. Perhaps 73 Yards wraps up way too quick, but the ending of Dot and Bubble is easily the best thing about it.
His resolutions can be comparatively much weaker, the setups sometimes are TOO strong in relation to how he ends episodes, it feels like he writes himself into a corner with some banging setups
I think it's more an inherent weakness of the 45 minute episode format. For me, if they're going to get it wrong I'd rather have a story that's trying to do too much and falls down in some areas than have a story which isn't enough to fill the time.
@@chrispalmer7893 what episode length would be optimal, do you think? An hour?
@@matthewlacey4198 I'm not sure there is an optimal length. In some ways the classic series did this better - by having multiple-part stories with shorter episodes you had a bit more flexibility (in theory you can choose the right number of episodes based on the story - didn't work like that back then of course as the impression I get is that they decided on the number of episodes before they wrote the stories. The result was most often ending up with lots of filler rather than rushed endings.)
Oxygen is everything Boom wishes it could be 😂😂
Boom is an alright episode for the majority of the plot, a somewhat lackluster ending but there are good scenes in the episode.
@@somerandomyoutubeaccount5895 What plot?? The absolute nonsense of people believing anything without question like they expect their audience to?? 😏😏
@@hirudinaria the plot of the episode? Have you seen the episode?
@@somerandomyoutubeaccount5895 Sadly yes. And I know you're going to cast me into some categorical version of "biased hater" so I can already feel the judgment coming. But there is no plot.
And I can prove it with just 1 question. Why did the first scene happen?
@hirudinaria I see where you are coming from, but the first scene is just to build sympathy so we feel at least something when that character dies, and what follows sets up the idea of the AI ambulance and the mine. Even if it wasn't needed, or some dislike that scene, it wasn't useless
I disagree, I think all 3 episodes are very good, each in their own way. We should stop looking for flaws to be angry at and enjoy the show.
kerblam litterally tries to argue that the system that killed an innocent to prove a point isnt the problem, its the system, and then proceeds to hand the burden of fixing it to people who really dont have a reason to do so.
Also the doctor let's the guy die in Kerblam.
Srsly
She kills a Tardis, let's spiders asphyxiate to their death and reveals the master to Nazis.
Like hell man, 13 was full psycho doctor.If even half of her actions were called out, they could have done a nice 7th doctor like thing with her
some flaws are just noticeable, and some are easy to overlook. To me, Rogue added a romantic partner for the doctor that developed far too quickly for rogue to have any attachment to the doctor. I just don't trust that Rogue was willing to sacrifice what he had for a man he met, what? 3 hours ago at the very most?
flaws, primarily in the case of shows like doctor who, break the illusion. they take you back to the fact that you're watching a tv show from the bbc on disney plus, and nothing else.
as the other commenters stated, kerblam holds an impressive logical oversight in it's resolution that makes it difficult for a casual watcher to engage in.
You may enjoy the episode, and there's no shame in that, but ignoring and pretending like flaws are always insignificant is a tad silly.
@@b550manI mean, that’s a common Doctor Who thing. Hell, Davros called Ten out for it in Journey’s End
Wouldn’t call Boom an episode that ‘fixes’ Kerblam. In terms of 13 being a borderline shrill for Kerblam and 15 being against Villangard; yes Boom is better. But the themes of Boom are so confused and conflicted, they contradict the Doctor’s values in a different way to Kerblam when it comes to the theme of ‘faith’ which is rly odd. Since a lot of Moffat’s who episodes needs a character to have an insane amount of blind faith to succeed (Amy needs to littetally have faith to bring the Doctor back from being erased from existence for example)
Also when 15 explains that the landline has lights because of ‘capitalism’ - the reason he gives means almost nothing. Well. Either that or I didn’t understand it, which is always a possibility. Genuinely adding this bit too my comment in the hope that someone will explain that line to me 😂
shiny bright lights = more people will buy it. In the same way that brighter colours and easy-to-read fonts on packaging is better for business, on something like a landmine, flashing lights is an eye-catching way to stand out from other competitors in the industry. Think of those light-up shoes that kids wear that sparkle every time you step on them? It’s the same idea.
The idea is that the bright lights etc make the landmines look more advanced or technological. It's the idea that the people buying these products are buying them off a show-room floor because of how cool or flashy they look rather than how functional they actually are. Think about people buying stuff like the Tesla cybertruck because it looks advanced and futuristic even though in practice it's a pretty terrible product. There's a disconnect between the actual war and the market/finance that surrounds it.
The Doctor needs an entire series where they lead a socialist revolution and bring down intergalactic capitalism. It would be a natural role for an anti-authoritarian character 😊
Only one doctor present.
Clearly your talking about Jodie.
@@somerandomyoutubeaccount5895misstipped Peter Capaldi
@@somerandomyoutubeaccount5895 she’s the timeless child.
Yes, we know you are talking about the kerblam man
Yep because they're all the same person
I wish leftist writers actually knew what capitalism is.
Communists are illiterate. And I don't just mean economically, they're just very literally, in general, illiterate. They have no idea what "capitalism" even actually means. Think any market is a "Free market" and so on and so on. Their ignorance to something even as basic and simple as meaning as a word is boundless, that's why they end up being communists.
Do you?
All terrible
No, but when you think about it
Corporate greed is kinda good
Why do you say that?
?
Brain dead take
im pretty sure this is a joke
-Chris Chibnall
So you guys hate the Doctor when they defend capitalism?
Kerblam was literally made for some of you and yet you reject it so hard.
Boom was wank and the anti-capitalism message in it was utterly stupid and unbelievable. Why would any group, country or planet purchase weaponry that does more harm to you own soldiers than anything else? This episode imagines Villengard as the only manufacturer of weapons and that there isn't any better competition that would sell you arms without killing your own men. This isn't purely capitalism that is criticised. This is a monopoly, and it's a company that shouldn't exist. Surely competition could do something similar to Villengard without slaughtering the buyers own men - or there could even be laws to prevent that kind of thing happening.
Are we to imagine that somehow this was so profitable that they cannot have any competition?
And surely what of the soldiers, the officers and the entire population they are fighting for? Surely they witness people not being saved because it costs too much, or the higher ups understand the product they are using - why would any side in a war that want to win the war use a product that keeps the war going? Villengards products only work for themselves so it's unbelievable how and why anyone uses them - it cannot be fair, it cannot be simply capitalism at work. The company is obviously up to no good and so a catch all critique of capitalism doesn't really work here, at all.
Would have made more sense if Villengard just sold a product that allowed the user, in this case the leaders of the military, to designate their OWN acceptable levels of losses and costs of saving lives. In fact, the episode hints this might have once been the case within the script but it seems it got waived to the side to make a jab at capitalism as a whole.
It's such a surface level critique it's basically a waste of time. Any one who thinks it's worthwhile is revealing they understand so little of how the world actually works.
no one will ever read the gibberish you just wasted your time spewing.
cry harder and get a life.
These were all fairly poorly written episodes but boy did Boom suck.
An Episode where he stands on a magic landmine for a whole episode, cries a lot, other people run around in an active minefield, he cries a lot, they do some bullshit "that's my Dad!" with a translucent blue hologram, he cries a lot, and then deus ex machina for no reason.
People said that Episode was good but it's legit one of the worst Who episodes in the history of the entirety of the franchise. Nothing happened, he cried, ass pull, the end.
you think oxygen was poorly written?
>Thinks Oxygen is poorly written, in the same league as Kerblam
Entire opinion discarded.
have you ever heard of dialogue?
If you sum up ANY episode with such bad faith and cynicism, of course it's going to sound bad. Is Heaven Sent just the Doctor doing a monologue while slowly breaking a wall? If you think so, I genuinely wonder what you find interesting in watching any series or movie.
Imagine being this miserable, lmao
Why are they so obsessed with going after capitalism but when was the last time they had a commentary on communism or socialism. Or doesn't that fit the agenda
You’re describing Kerblam
@@mredbadger kerblam was about capitalism, they all were. The writers for that episode seemed to confuse their anti capitalist message though?
@@Faulty720you got an episode with a pro-capitalism message and you’re pretending it was an accident
@@mredbadger I don't think that's what they were going for.
The main character explicitly says the systems are fine before killing the extremist. Isn’t that what you wanted?