Are you ready for the LDS Temple?!
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- If you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (otherwise known as the Mormon Church), you've probably heard of LOTS of advice when it comes to "going through the temple" for the first time. If you aren't familiar with LDS doctrine on the temple, watch the videos below!
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In this episode, we give our advice when it comes to receiving your endowment, making covenants with God, and how to best remember the covenants you have made. What we say in this episode is mostly our opinions but we'd love to read yours! Comment your thoughts and advice about going through the temple in the comments below!!
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The Temple- outside & inside is filled with SYMBOLS to help us to remember, "think about" , identify, and memorialize our amazing SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. We can learn to feel more genuine love for him! It's a wonderful process of learning to "relish" repentance and feel his mercy & grace towards us personally.
Excellent video. Temple prep can help a lot. That way you can focus on the Spirit while you are there and more fully feel God’s love.
Because I went through the temple with my family, and I knew what kind of person were my parents and siblings, they are good people.
And because I knew my mother wouldn't let me do something that would hurt me, or scare me, or humiliate me (for any things, work, school, church...) I felt safe.
So yeah I was surprised, but each time I was surprised I would look at my my family and be reassured.
I love the temple. I go there as much as I can. :)
I needed this video. I saw images by accident and it freaked me out because it looked cult like. I've been a member my whole life and the temple scares me. I still don't have a testimony of the temple, and that's okay. It's not the right time for me, but this video came at a good time, so thank you!
Everything is on the lord's time. You can gain a testimony of the temple when you're ready to pray for it. Until then, keep being you.
That's okay! Not everyone needs to enter into every covenant right now! You shouldn't go until you feel ready!
Same thing happened to me. When I was like, 15 I stumbled across a video on RUclips that someone secretly took in the temple. I was like, “that’s not Mormons, I’ve never seen that before”. I was a little weirded out and I asked my mom. She explained that that does happen in the temple, and that they are asked to not talk about certain things outside of the temple due do their sacred nature. I’m kinda glad I saw that video because now as I’m preparing for my own endowment, I know what to expect a little better. Also my stake president (who is awesome) explained a lot of things to me as I have been preparing that I didn’t know before.
People definitely need to stop keeping the things that don’t need to be a secret a secret. It creates confusion and scares people when they learn about it. Other religions have rituals that involve symbols, like the Catholic Church for example. Symbols are just part of religion in general 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks for the kind responses you guys! 😅☺️
It’s important to keep in mind that literally any ceremony from any religion can be made to look “cult-like” when displayed out of its proper context and in bad faith. Imagine how a regular baptism looks without the cultural context you already have for it, for example.
I struggle with the temple a lot. I 100% felt it when you guys were talking about how people should know what covenants they will be making prior to getting there. That happened to me and because I felt like I couldn't talk about anything in the temple, it happened to my wife. Yes, you don't have to make those covenants even while you're there, but in most cases, your whole extended family is there, friends are there. I can only assume what kind of scene it would cause if you just walked out at that point. Then, they ask you to leave if you're not comfortable with making the covenants prior to you knowing what those covenants are, so if you change your mind, it's not going to be then.
This is why we are counseled to study the scriptures before entering into the temple.
@@germanslice Ok, well "study the scriptures" is pretty broad. I wasn't told anything. I went through the temple prep class and didn't find that to be helpful in retrospect. I thought I was prepared. Then I got there and I wasn't. I wasn't told what to study. I wasn't told "Hey, these chapters explain a lot of the ceremony." I wasn't even told that there would likely be things I wouldn't understand. I was just told that I needed to go and that there would be certain promises I would make, but we couldn't talk about them.
@@tysonmontgomery3849 What a member should be doing if they are going to enter into the temple for the first time is study their scriptures on the temple, so when the time comes a year or so later they be ready to enter into the temple to learn of the higher knowledge as you must have all the foundational doctrinal basics already laid down first before you enter the temple. If you go in unprepared spiritually, you will not get the same light and knowledge from the temple and the temple experience will be different from those who are spiritually prepared. So you must have the Holy Ghost with you to enter into that place, you must be living close to the Lord before entering in. Its no good going to the temple in if you are not feeling the Spirit with you as the teaching of the temple can only be taught by the spirit. . SO you must be in tune with the Holy Ghost in order to understand the temple teachings because its highly symbolic.
So its important to become converted to the gospel first before going in the temple, that's why they give year of time before going in to receive the endowment. As the temple is the Lord's University so we are expected to be living the basics of the gospel first before entering in. Temple Prep class assumes you have already done the scripture study on the temple and gives an overall basic understanding of it to discuss only those things that can be talked about outside
of the temple, that's why Temple prep class can't tell you everything that goes on in the temple.
@@tysonmontgomery3849 I felt the same. Nobody tells you that you are going do convenants with the Church and not with God! That's the thing that bothered me more. You have the pressure of all your family. It is like to be going to be baptized without knowing nothing about the promises you are going to make until the second before enter into the water...
@@pincopallo9551 We make covenants with God in the Temple. The Lord runs the Church. The Church Standards are the laws of his world because it is His kingdom and he is not from this world so the standards of the Lord are different to the world's standards and his ways are different to the world's... it is his Temple and His Covenants that we enter into when we take them upon ourselves and renew them each week through the Sacrament. We do what He asks in His Kingdom in order to remain members of his kingdom. The Church leaders are his servants. that he has Appointed... We make covenants with the Lord to do certain things, The church teaches the standards and the covenants of the Lord..
It may be worth mentioning that we view the word “Covenants” differently than most people. Typically the word ‘covenant’ as used in an HOA document, simply means the ‘rules’ of the HOA. When we use ‘covenant’ in an lds setting, it refers to vows, or promises made w/ God. Not unlike marriage vows where a couple promise faithfulness to each other, a “Temple Covenant” promises faithfulness to God.
A great symbol in the Temple, for example, is the Veil....as soon as I see it now, I think of how all my earth life I have been separated from the presence of my Heavenly Father.... because of the Fall (Adam/Eve). Then I think of Jesus, see Hebrews 10:20...thru him alone, can part that Veil for me, to one day, actually be back home to my Father's presence!
I had no temple prep class. Since it was all sacred no one would talk about it. I know I had to buy some garments. So when I went in there was the surprise of the washings and anointing. This was done before the changes in 2005 so there was touching involved. The endowment was something I did not expect. I was worried about remembering every word at the veil, but a worker helped me. Overall a good experience. I liked it so much at one time when I got rides I would do three endowment sessions each Saturday.
I felt the same way. I later found out that the "new name" is just the same for everyone based on the date. So it doesn't really matter if you remember anything or not. They will just remind you at any point if you forget.
To clarify the law of consecration.. the church won't take all of our money. They may ask for it, but it will be our choice to give.
Most folks in our faith aren't used to rituals and the temple is ALL ritual. For those getting ready to go, it helps to talk openly about WHAT happens, and the covenants you will make. You can do that without revealing anything sacred.
I was a convert and I prayed and fasted before I went.
The temple was as weird as Mass was the first time I attended it, and significantly less weird (and evil seeming) than an Eastern Orthodox liturgy. I walked out of all three experiences going “God is not here.” But that’s what happens when you’re suddenly confronted with symbolism you’ve never seen before: strange clothes and chanting and ritual practices all make for a creepy experience. Once you’re used to it, though, you find beauty in it. I now find the Mass breathtakingly beautiful. I now find Eastern Orthodox liturgy bearable and fascinating. And I’ve found much in the temple to love. I wish Joseph had taken less from the Masons (dude was a genius, he could’ve come up with something different) but every religious leader seems to plagiarize so what’re you gonna do 🤷♂️
@@getharryonsax Plagiarize?
@@getharryonsax Why do you all repeat the same things?
Dustin Jackson yeah I went to mass a few times recently, and I was surprised that people call Mormons a cult and not Catholics (I’m not saying Catholicism should be called a cult).
I felt a little uncomfortable at first, because I didn’t know what to do. I just followed everyone else. But in the end, it’s a group of people worshipping God in their own way, and I agree, that’s beautiful! Every religion has “cult-like” aspects.
@@getharryonsax The Catholics could have had their services revealed to them rather than taking the trappings of imperial Roman pagan worship. Or, as far as prophets go, God didn’t have to command Moses to use the rituals and symbols with which the Hebrews were familiar (gold, incense, sacrifice, chants and songs, etc) in Tabernacle worship, or Solomon to use typical Canaanite worship practices in the Temple. God’s apparently cool with recycling.
I love this! Thank you for sharing
I'm not so sure some of the public knows what a sacred covenant even is so you may have to elaborate. 🙏
I have my first visit scheduled for Sept 3rd!
Congrats, Jeffrey!! Are you going for baptisms?
@@DannyAGray yes.
@@1thomaja oh man, congrats! What a wonderful blessing!
@@DannyAGray I have always believed in sacred places. I have been to the local temple grounds and it just feel SO sacred. I hope I'm worthy to be there, but I should know the moment I walk in, I think.
@@DannyAGray thank you
I think it's important to remember that everything in the temple and everything done in the temple is meant to teach us something. It's all very symbolic, and it's meant to make us think deeply about what the Lord is telling us and asking of us. Ask for the Holy Ghost to teach you. And remember, you don't have to remember or understand everything all at once. That's why we're supposed to go back again and again.
A dozen people told me, "Don't try to remember everything, just focus on how you feel." So I went in expecting something really complicated and weird, and was kind of disappointed by how simple and repetitive it actually was.
Sounds like you got some good advice.
Is there anywhere that someone can find a list of the changes that have been made to the temple covenants over the years?
Everything in the temple is symbolic, except for the actual covenants you make. The signs, tokens, environment...everything is symbolic. There is a reason that there is an altar that you kneel at before you can approach the veil. It's all symbolic. The prayer circle is symbolic. These are rituals and symbols that surround the covenant-making process that help you to remember your purpose on earth, what you're striving for and the reward you'll receive if you are faithful. It's like anything, the more you study about it in advance, the more you'll understand it and appreciate it.
How about when Satan commands you to put on the fig leaf apron? What is that symbolic of ?
There was a great teaching last week at BYU Education Week, in the Marriott Center, by Anthony Sweat, that sitting through the presentation of the Endowment in the Temple, is not the same as actually receiving your endowment. Perhaps this is something that a future episode of SU could explore.
Nothing you said adequately prepared me for the Temple videos on New Name Noah's channel.
Ah, the recomend page is reading my mind again
good job
I did not appreciate that the specific covenants especially the law of consecration were not discussed in advance.
I think there needs to be other cultures from around the world who should speak on the same topic youll see the diffrences in thought on the same topic
When my wife and I went through the temple, 12 years ago, we freaked. We thought "CULT!" We never went back to the church. This episode would have been invaluable for us.
Then don't worry about it, it commenting on it. Just move along.
It’s unfortunate that no one prepared you better. All the major concepts and most of the small details are found in the scriptures. It’s just a different instructional format, and an invitation to commit to the principles discussed in the scriptures.
Come back.
You were correct in your conclusion.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 Read *all* the scriptures, and internalize them. There are three distinct accounts of the Creation story you can compare with the Endowment in Genesis, Moses, and Abraham. Covenants of chastity and consecration, etc., are things baptized members should be doing anyway, but they are discussed throughout the Doctrine and Covenants, along with little details like new names. Exodus for the Initiatory ordinance, as noted in the ordinance itself.
No one who has read through the Standard Works and understood the basic principles of the gospel will go through the temple and be surprised by any of the covenants they will be asked to make there. They are right in line with the level of commitment that Christ Himself described in His New Testament ministry.
So I’m not being flippant when I say “read them all.” That’s exactly what anyone should do before going to the temple.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 I know there’s somewhere in doctrine and covenants that talks about it, I can’t remember where though. I’ll find it and get back to you.
You didn’t add the year membership requirement.
I recommend attending a Catholic mass so you're familiar with liturgy. An LDS service is too distant from the endowment.
Yes, the majority of the endowment is just from Genesis, but that isn't really the parts that people tend to find weird or "cult" like. What people are "unprepared" for are the signs and tokens and manner they are presented and used throughout the ceremony. But it's understandable that this happens because you literally covenant not to reveal these. So if someone were tell you beforehand they would be breaking that convenant. The same goes for other weird elements such as the new name.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 The first half of the endowment is basically the creation story. It's not quoted verbatim, though.
also comes from Pearl of Great Price
New names are mentioned in the Doctrine and Covenants. If people would just actually read the scriptures, they would not be surprised by the temple ordinances.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 Well now I have good reasons to question your sincerity. “Obtaining your own planet” is not mentioned in the temple ordinances or anywhere else in gospel teachings. It’s just a typical mocking distortion of the true doctrine of our ability to become like our Heavenly Father that is commonly employed by detractors of the church. Likewise for “Jesus and Satan being brothers.” Not a concept mentioned in the temple, and a red herring in its own right, since we are *all* spiritual children of our Heavenly Father.
Go read all the scriptures, like I said, and repent.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 Nowhere have I been taught I will get my own planet, nor have I ever heard that Jesus owns this planet. Wherever you're getting your info from, it's certainly not the most accurate or well intentioned of places.
Also what's so hard about reading all of the scriptures and looking for the specifics that you're curious about? Wanting shortcuts (aka. the "specific verses") is no help to you spiritually. Take a few months like a big girl and feast on the scriptures. If you do that, and you're sincere about it, the questions you've been asking will be answered, and consequently you'll have also spiritually gained so much more.
I gotta admit, the temples are immaculate…unfortunately, I’m old enough to remember being touched by an elderly man underneath my robe. I wasn’t prepared at all for the shock of him touching me near my groin. They don’t do that anymore for endownments, right?
Correct. It's not been that way for a long time.
Disturbing. I would run away if that happens to me.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 why do we not sacrifice animals in the temples like they did in the old testament? Why did Christ say that was no longer necessary? Did he not get it right the first time?
The temple is the house of the lord, and what happens there is up to him. Through revelation, changes can be made in accordance with his plan. Why is that so hard to understand? Does it change God's relationship with man? I don't see how it does.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 I have no opinion on the examples you brought up, except to say that if you think this changes God's relationship with man, you don't understand how He works. I can't speak to the priesthood ban, and since it's not in effect today I don't see why it matters. We have vicarious temple work to correct any errors there may have been. Beyond that, none of these things have anything to do with God's plan, so I simply don't care what happened in the past.
@@DannyAGray I think the past is vital in telling us about the present and future. If these apostles and prophets keep getting things wrong (and they definitely have), why should we trust them?
Are there more things in the temple then babtizms for the dead, endowments, and mareges? If not those all must have big rooms. Im curios about other things you can do in the temple, i hear many grown ups go to the temple often, and its typacly youth that do babtizms for the dead.
Dood im so exited for the temple that will be built neer where i live!! I hope we get to see it being built soon😁😁😁😁🤗
Where is the temple being built near you?
Generally speaking, these are the things that happen in the temple. But remember that the temple is there so we can do those things for people who have died since they can't do it themselves. So we go many times because we try to do the work for a many people as we can. Just like, as a youth, you won't do just one baptism. You'll probably do many at one time. 😍😍😍
@@coffeedrinkingisnotasin6049 that's not correct information. And, in case you couldn't tell, it sold seem StarLegend is still quite young. Perhaps you should let them learn things for themselves, let them find their own path, and not harass them with your bigoted assault on the church. That's your burden; it doesn't have to be StarLegend's.
@@getharryonsax again, this is not something a young person needs to be burden with, especially when the process is largely speculative. I'm asking that this kind of thing not be discussed here.
@@getharryonsax it's not relevant to most members, including this kid, StarLegends, who is still too young to go do baptisms for the dead to begin with! Again, take the discussion somewhere else, please. Message me on Facebook, if you prefer. Just let this kid not be confused by this stuff!
TEMPLE PREP NEEDS REFORM.
I was a ward temple prep teacher for a year back in 2016-17, and I don't know if anything has changed since then, but the temple prep I was instructed to teach was anything BUT temple prep. I would always try to incorporate relevant and important things into the lessons, but it was almost never part of the manual's lesson outline. Like I said, I don't know what it's like now, but that crap needs some serious reform. Temple Preparation classes should be centered around the actual covenants you'll be making. Discussing what will be taught. You know, things that actually prepare you for the temple! But nope, instead we talk about ancient temples, the plan of salvation, and temple symbolism (the only three lessons I can remember off the top of my head, haha), which are good to talk about, but hardly substantive. My opinion is just one among many, and I may be out of line because maybe it's better now, but man. Temple Prep classes need reform.
(Can you tell that I'm jealous that I didn't get to be a part of this episode? My wife and I have literally been talking about this stuff for the last two months. haha)
I loved temple prep, but I was surprised by the covenants, specifically consecration. I wasn’t prepared for that! Fortunately, I decided in the temple that I wanted to get to that point, where I could consecrate everything I have to Him. But that was a major failing in the temple prep classes!
@@TBIhope Did you never attend a seminary or Gospel Doctrine class that discussed the Law of Consecration, including how it’s a higher law than mere tithing that we will all be expected to live one day, before you went to the temple for your endowment?
@@jordanwutkee2548 of course I did, but I just thought of that as something people would be expected to do after the Second Coming. In the temple, it became much more real to me, and I actually had to confront that previously-hypothetical possibility. And more than just my worldly possessions, but my time and talents and everything!
@@TBIhope Have a look at Omni 1:26 in the Book of Mormon. A favorite verse of mine:
“And now, my beloved brethren, I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved.”
It’s the “offer your whole souls” part that stands out to me. I’ve come to understand that as referring to total consecration. But it took me a while to get to that understanding.
@@jordanwutkee2548 I’m obviously okay with it now, it’s just I’m not one to accept something willy-nilly, so I don’t like surprise commitments. Thankfully, I decided right then that I could live that covenant. I think it would’ve been helpful to mention that in temple prep.
Question: Do the saints actually use that picture of the actor of jesus as a "picture of jesus"? I just wonder if this is like a "joke" or if members may actually have this picture in their house as a piece of religious art or as a devotional thing?
As far as I'm aware Saints don't (well, the ones I know)
Personally the only picture of Christ that I have is the one painted by Heinrich Hofmann (Christ at 33)
@@charleslord2941 thanks for responding :)
Not sure why it would be a "joke."
Latter-day Saints don't worship or revere pictures. They simply exist to inspire us to remember Christ. We know that the actor of Jesus isn't actually Jesus.
It's pretty simple. We see an actor. That actor (John Foss) is known for portraying Jesus in a video series. So because portraying Jesus is what he's known for, when we see the actor, it reminds us of Jesus, even though we know he's not Jesus.
@@gordonbarnes7005 I get that. But then why are crosses tabboo, but a picture of a human man depicting him is supposed to help people remember jesus? I would think an empty cross is more of a reminder of all the things jesus did for us (dying and rising again) than a picture of an actor.
@@Bellg Well first of all, we hold no superstitious aversion to crosses. Or at least, if some people do, it's definitely not widespread.
Our reasoning is that: What reminds someone more about Christ? A cross? Or a depiction of Christ?
To us, we see it as the latter.
We remember "sailing the ocean blue in 1492" by remembering Christopher Columbus, because that's what he did.
We remember Jesus Christ's death on the cross by remembering Jesus Christ, because that's what He did.
To use an analogy (I promise it'll make sense): In linguistics, phrases have a "head" and a "dependent." In the phrase "big stick," we're talking primarily about a stick, not the quality of being big. So stick is the head, and big is the dependent of the phrase. A head can occur in a sentence without a dependent, but a dependent cannot occur without a head. You can say, "I hit him with a big stick," or "I hit him with a stick." Those make sense. But, "I hit him with a big," doesn't make sense.
Using that analogy here, you could consider the cross as sort of a dependent, with Christ as the head. The cross doesn't really mean anything without Christ. So I suppose you could consider our choice in pictures "head focused."
Dont forget the most crucial part. You are not welcome if you are behind on your tithing. A full tithe payer is always welcome, other issues can be swept under the rug. or overlooked.
Not true. Tithing is just one of several commandments necessary to adhere to in order to be able to visit the temple.
You do realize that tithing is just one thing, right? You act as though it's the only requirement or the most vital one. It isn't.
Amazing how people accuse the Church of being greedy, yet they obsess on the money aspect far more than the Church does.
And let's really look at the logic of this criticism. Temples are able to exist in part because of tithing, because tithing is responsible for funding their construction and management.
So when a critic says he wants to go to the temple but not pay tithing, he is, in a nutshell, saying that _other_ people should fund his temple experience but that it's somehow wrong to expect him to volunteer anything.
In other words, people who criticize tithing as it relates to the temple are lazy hypocrites.
I'm always confused when people gripe about tithing. When you look at your paydtub, you've got taxes and insurance and other things coming out that is likely more than 10% of your gross income. That comes out BEFORE you can plan your budget. Why is it so difficult to just take it another 10%, again, before you plan your budget?
Absolutely ridiculous take, completely wrong.
@@gordonbarnes7005 No, the critic is merely pointing out that the LDS church *requires* a 10% tithe for access to the temple and its rites.
If you really want to read about freaky, outlandish, scary and deeply disturbing Temple practices (as required by God) then read the Old Testament.
This was the Gospel to all those who lived prior to the Sacrifice of Jesus. Read this and stop your whining. Now thank God that times have changed.
Today we may be required to wear white clothing but at least we're not required to dip the hems in fresh blood and splash gallons of blood on the floor, while incinerating dead animal carcases by the score. "Holiness to the Lord"
And these were the good Hebrews, while the bad ones were busy throwing their living children into cauldrons of fire, in order to feed and appease Ba'al.
The Temple ceremony is so watered down no one should be shocked by the way watered down endowment
How do you mean, it being watered down?
@@DannyAGray the penalties, the washing and anointing, the veils, the removal of repetition, that were placed there on purpose many years ago, the repercussions of all these changes and lack of trust and commitment from the strong firm endowed church members are all now coming home to roost. ....
@@DannyAGray He may be referring to how the endowment is a shortened version of the Nauvoo endowment of 1846. It usually ran about five hours. Today it's around 1 h, 35 min. total.
@@edmundoalarcon2000 Yes, I forgot about all those, plus the changes in 2019.
@@scottbrandon9390 I asked the question in my Ward if i was being held to the same standards and covenants that I made in the 90s vs now because there have been some pretty significant changes and the covenants are not the same??
Only Jesus's words are gods words. As its the gospel of Jesus Christ .
...before jesus was sent the world never knew god ..
John 17
"oh rightous father the world does not know you."
As to gods word..
As Jesus explained..
These are not my words but the fathers who sent me.
Hence the true word of God.
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But to the jews or jewish Pharisees..
As he stated he is one with God..
But to them.
"Your father is the devil" John 8:44
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so don't get to stuck..in the Torah or old testimine..
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As the truth is god does not come from afar. But lives within you as you are one with god.
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And Jesus... Chooses who he reveals god to.
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As no one knows the son except the father and no one knows the father except the son and whom the son chooses to reveal him.
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I see god from within and understand this without corruption.
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Only Jesus..and only Jesus's words are gods words..
As god indwells within
As the body is the temple of the holy spirit..and the kingdom of god is within.
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I hope this assists you in understanding..
Moses was the false prophet..and thus ...
As ...god is within.
Revelations 13
is about the beast or dragon and the false prophet.
the first section of the new testamine. Are from the jewish Torah....
So if you understand..
You can see god perhaps when your eyes are closed..
Follow Jesus's teaching..
Jesus was sent to save the jews not reward them.
So when john was saying do you want us to have fire cast down upon them and destroy them like Elisha did.
And Jesus rebuked them saying "you know not what spirit you are of."
thus also know the fire casting dragon.
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Thats why no name is higher.
Phillipians 2:9
As its all given to Christ.
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Know also..
Perfect love cast fear of the lord or God. Away.
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John 14:17
is about the truth and spirit of truth..
Within you.
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Jesus's prayer. In John 17.
is so. We too can understand. .being one with God.
...may your path be with God...and May all your ways be..in reflection of gods love..
Reflecting
Love peace kindness goodness faithfullness with patience and self controll.
`The requirements aren't that intense." Just a solemn promise to fork over 10% of your income to the LDS church for a temple recommend.
So if you make 50k a year, you're paying 5k for access to the temple and its secret ceremony, and 5k every year for the rest of your life to keep whatever spiritual benefits are said to come from that ceremony. Scientology would be less expensive.
I don't see it as "forking over" nor do I see it as giving it to the church; I'm giving it to God and His work. Also, God owns everything anyway, and money is worldly. It's on loan to me and I'm just giving a small portion back to Him.
@@coffeedrinkingisnotasin6049 I'm sorry you feel that way about God. I don't agree. In fact, I know God exists. So I'm OK with the "unlikely" since God works in miracles anyway.
@@DannyAGray Who told you this is so? God, or the LDS church?
Lol. Its more than just keeping the law of tithing. There are other commandments that you need to obey to get temple recommend.
@@RyanMercer 10% of your income for life is a "small sacrifice"? Actually, asking for such a large amount of money, even from the poor, isn't the worst of it. The real problem is that the church is extorting this 10% yearly donation as the price of salvation. No 10% yearly donation, no temple recommend, no endowment. Again, Scientology has better ethics.
Can anyone name another actual faith (not cult) which hides details of its rites or doctrines from the world?
You're asking the wrong question. Why is it wrong? Because it's clearly leading towards the position that religious observances that aren't public are necessarily indicative of a cult.
Here's the thing: The temple is about making formal promises with God. It's absolutely rational to expect privacy in that regard. It's not open to the public because it's none of their freaking business. People are making personal promises with God there. And you're calling them a cult for expecting privacy to do so.
It's also circular logic, since Michael Smith takes it upon himself to decide what's a faith and what's a cult.
@@christopherrandallnicholson Actually, I was leaving it to the respondent to decide what is or isn't a cult. Perhaps using something like the BITE model to evaluate what is and isn't a cult would be better...
@@MichaelSmith-fq3pg The only reputable person who accepts Steven Hassan's BITE Model is Steven Hassan. And the people who use it to examine the Church greatly over exaggerate the extent to which it implies, often due to confirmation bias.
For example: Teaching people not to drink alcohol or smoke is seen as a "rigid dietary restriction," even though that standard of behavior is completely rational to expect and is repeated by any physician worth their salt.
Another example: Offering people volunteer positions within the congregation is cited as "making them too busy to think," which makes no sense. Conducting music on Sunday _doesn't_ make you too busy to think, at all. I don't know a single person who is too busy to think. I'm a service missionary, and I have time to think, cook, write a book, and invent a language. And I do it because I enjoy it, not because I felt any pressure to "fill my time."
Also, the BITE model's point about "Require members to internalize the group's doctrine as truth" is virtually meaningless, because internalizing an idea as true is literally the definition of _belief._ Belief in _anything_ requires you to internalize it as being true. By that logic, _anyone_ who believes anything is a cult member. Ridiculous.
@@gordonbarnes7005 Well... Steven Hassan and a substantial segment of the mental healthcare world. Do you have any better, more objective, method of testing for cult status? I'm always open to new data.
The irony of a confirmation bias accusation is rich... and dismissed.
Agreed, avoiding alcohol and tobacco are good things. People should choose to do them of their own volition, because such decisions are healthy. However, the church connects a temple recommend, and therefore degree of exaltation, to that requirement. That's institutional control.
I also tend to agree with your third point. That question isn't that great. However, that's why the model has as many questions as it does in creating a score.
Rebecca Woods youre just making stories you dont have any legal basis.