The “Derrick Rose Rule,” which was created after Rose won his MVP while playing on his rookie contract, allows young stars in the NBA to qualify for a higher maximum salary-30% of the cap instead of 25%-early in their careers
@@tmac731 I wouldn’t give him that yet, I don’t really care for the non hungry oh something hurts again d.Rose. I’m a huge bulls fan and still a huge d.rose fan, but I’m going to say it like it is. Rose barly plays games, he will not give you 82 games. You might get 40 games out of him the entire season, I know players get hurt because all of them do but I still see guys who suffered similar injuries still stay on the court and still has that hungry to be the best in the league. My boy d.rose lost that he’s more passive now and him getting older isn’t an excuse because Lebron, Jordan, Kobe all still drove to be the best in the league even in there late 30’s. I love d.rose but I miss the why can’t I be mvp d.rose a whole lot more. It’s not your body that makes you great it’s your mentality and that I am the best mentality left rose years ago.
@@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79 u clearly dk what it is like to have an injury . He physically couldn’t play . It’s not that hard to understand . The others did not get injured as much
@@paulring9246 I get all that, it’s determination or you let it get to you mentally and start playing cautious. How can you play at an elite level being cautious worrying if you will get injured. I am a D. Rose fan but I’m not afraid to talk about the reality of rose, I’ve watched the mindset he had prior to injury and the mentality to be the best in the league is gone now. He’s more passive and cautious when he plays now, he doesn’t have the mindset he had when he wanted to league to fear him on the court. So at this point no I don’t know if Derrick would go in the HOF at this point because he hasn’t done enough after injury to go there. We can’t just put him there because his name is Derrick Rose if that’s the case it’s a whole lot of players that can go to the hall of fame.
The Supermax is one of the biggest failures the NBA dished out. While the intention was to allow smaller markets to retain their star players, the reality is that these teams are locked in paying a player an absurd amount of their cap space for years to come and hope that said player doesn't get injured or his form doesn't fall off a cliff. Look no further in this case than John Wall and the Washington Wizards - the moment he signed the Supermax, Wall got injured, he was never the same and when the Wizards traded him it was for the larger contract of Westbrook (and they had to give up a 1st round pick as well). Also, considering how Kemba's career went down, in hindsight the Charlotte Hornets made the right call not giving him the Supermax.
Almost all supermax players were ringless after signing the deal, except for giannis and I guess curry who won before getting that max. But Dame, cp3, harden, Westbrook, wall all getting or looking at getting traded to other teams and still havent won anything
I mean Wall and Russ projected to fall off soon after signing the Supermax. The Supermax can work as long as your main guys are still productive and healthy. I don't think Jokic,Giannis or Embiid will have issues with production as long as they're healthy because of their size.
Meh, if he has better ideas then I'm all in, I don't need videos about players I already know everything about, and you can literally check it out yourself if someone was good..
The most interesting part about the Gilbert arenas rule is how it even happened. A lot of people don't know Gil was supposed to actually be a first round pick but a lot of teams got turned off by his pre-draft interviews( talked abt being a pimp ), so he ended up falling to the second round
I think that rule is a one time thing only that is applied during every new CBA. The player still receives the whole salary as stipulated on his contract, but it is no longer counted against the salary cap calculations. Although it would be interesting if the teams would be able to apply that rule for a defined interval (once every 4 or 5 years?) instead of tying it to the salary cap.
The answer to the Supermax is to get the 35% of the cap in actuality, but only having a 25% cap hit. Allows the player to get the money incentive to stay and the team to be competitive to get that star some help
Yes, literally this. The NBA thought that small market teams being able to offer the most money would help them keep their stars but in reality it just fucks their cap space and leaves them unable to afford a good supporting cast for their star. Now, if they were able to offer 35% of the cap but only take a 25% cap hit, that's way more incentive for stars to stay in their small market teams, since they'll actually be able to get a good supporting cast with the cap space now available and stay competitive. Most of these supermax guys get traded after a few years because they want to compete for a chip but their organisation can't afford to pay quality supporting players to help them.
@@jackmass4798 agreed. supermax is like a curse to NBA teams it should be removed. Once that player is traded or retired it sets the teams back years into a rebuild tanking process
Hmm, those are interesting rules I didn't know about. Except the Jeremy Lin one. Glad that's worked out. Now I hope they do something about the contract rules regarding trades. Like the Harden and Simmons case.
@@bartier861 There should be an option for players to void contracts if they don’t want to be there so players can request to forfeit the rest of their contract, owners sign off on it, and teams can regain it in the cap space instead having players sit out whole seasons or teams having to buy them out
?? Lakers don’t got cap space, even then voiding the contract means that the team keeps the money to sign another player(s) to fill that role and the owner had to agree to it, which they’ll most likely do if a player is sitting/ throwing games
@@kingabe07 I love trade season, but yes a lot of the content that comes out is of hypothetical trades or how good hypothetical teams will perform and it gets kinda old quick
@@Minchyy03 Exactly! I listen to The Ringer's NBA podcasts and they notorious this season for it. I had to fast forward alot of the segments to get to what happened in the previous night games. It got into overkill just like all the NBA media is doing with the Lakers right now. Can we spend time talking about teams whom are actually good more than a bad team
You should do the veteran free-agent changes from 1988 that took away compensation and open things up. Tom Chambers was one of the more prominent free agents that took advantage of this
You could fix the Supermax deal by making a portion of the contract not count towards the cap. If they get traded to another team, that same portion gets paid by the original team while the new team pays the “normal” portion of the contract.
@@shastealyomeal Yeah like he got a supermax from Houston... Also when Melo came back his playing time just went to nothing, would you be happy to get DNP's watching the team lose with selfish, shitty leader when you balled the f*ck out and actually lead the team to some wins? Nobody would stay on a team that doesn't want them, Lin said it himself and everyone who has any idea about NBA knows it... call it greed if you want, just makes you look really stupid and petty for reasons I don't understand at all..
@@shastealyomeal More like the Knicks are greedy. They could just shell out a few millions to bring him back but they did not. Any human being wants financial stability. The financial stability everyone wanted is offered to him so it is more being actually smart than being stpid, caring about loyalty like Isaiah Thomas.
@@bartier861 Actually in an interview Kareem said he asked and the bucks agreed to the trade before his last season in Milwaukee started He didn’t just show up out of shape , sit out, and not play with everything he got Since they both knew it was their last season together Kareem went out and got them a chip
@@dasher920 don’t let the media fool you lol players forcing there way out is just part of the game, now if owners want to lengthen contracts to how they use to be then go ahead
Andy, let’s get a “RECAP: The 1978 Washington Bullets” series going. Take an obscure season and RECAP that season so people have a real documentary style understanding of what happened. You could use a single crazy season for a team, player, fan base, coach. It would be pretty cool to see your version of this type of style.
Noti gang & im happy af players control they destiny in the nba idc what anybody say NFL players need to follow suite get that money guaranteed & play wherever you want maybe shorter deals I’m not a fan of just quitting on your team
Lol pretty sure theres 2 Gilbert Arenas rules in contracts, the one you mentioned but also the thought to be unnecessary and obvious rule, "Dont bring guns into our locker room" rule thats now included in most NBA contracts.
home grown stars should be able to get 40% of the cap + 8% additional each year but make it so that only 25 out of 40% would count in the budget cap. this would incentivice players to stay because they know their team would have better cap flexibility than the other team that they would sign a max contract with
The Arenas situation had a pretty simple solution if you think about it. Why not just make second round rookie contracts three years, so the team has the player's Bird rights?
@@Ruben-wm7hx How so? The Nuggest were still allowed to offer Jokic a big contract thanks to this rule so another team couldn't steal him. It's only been a net positive.
@@jacobwilliams1223 The fact that in this video alone it shows that Tyler Johnson wasn’t allowed to take the much higher salary that the Nets offered him and had to stay with Heat for less
I love the idea to have the supermax not count as much against the cap of the team. It’s not fair for a team to have to destroy all its financial flexibility to keep one great player. And why would that player want to stay if the team can’t afford to build around them? Again, great idea to change that.
Completely agree on the supermax idea. To me, a supermax contract should be equal to 40% of the salary cap but only 20% counts towards the cap. This would allow teams to sign and or resign role players. Then if capped any max deals to 25% and not allow any additions to reach the 30-35% range, that should give enough incentive for players to reach a “supermax” deal. However, the criteria to me should be simply completing your 2nd contract with the team that drafted you. Or if traded by the team that drafted you. To prevent a Kwahi or AD type scenario you could put in a revision that GM’s can sign that a player essentially forced the teams hand. As in refusal to play, had consistent “non threatening” injuries, behavior deter mental to the team. Players would be allowed to appeal this assignment and state their case. This would allow a check and balance. Incentives players to stay for larger sums of money. Teams could build around stars. Players couldn’t be punished by teams trading them away. And teams would not be held hostage by their players.
Basically, the owners want more control. I mean, it’s no brainer. Do you really think owners care about the fans? No. Owning a franchise is their investment. Investment means money. The owners will do everything they can to control the player, own a player.
@@robert2690 IMO this is one of the rare cases where the interests of both the owners and fans coincide. Fans want to see the stars on the floor, the owners want to see the stars on the floor to attract ticket buyers. I'm guessing what will happen is the players would ask for better mental health support from the team, and then the owners will ask for contract changes that prevents the player from holding the team hostage. They'll hammer it out eventually in their meetings.
One thing I could suggest for the Supermax issue: have the team exempt one player at a time from luxury tax/salary cap calculations. Same criteria as with those eligible for a Supermax, however as long as that player is with the team, he will take that designation unless they waive the designation and the player would slide back to the "normal" max level salary. This would incentivize the teams to retain their drafted players while not limiting their options to give him ample support.
As of now, the supermax contracts don't really benefit both the team and the player in terms of building a championship-caliber team. Best one so far is with Steph and the Warriors but even the Warriors were struggling to keep their dynastic team going and their present team had to rely on their draft picks, finding unknown or undervalued players, and sucking up another max contract to keep it competitive while being stuck with no cap space
I am not an expert, can anyone explain to me why the contract or supermax deal couldn't be something like :" After 4 years (Rookie deal) you can offer a extension with lets say, 20% of the total salary plus 10-25% over the salary cap. So you can actually paid your superstar while maintaining the necessary cap space for other player as well?" Because a lot superstar player want the money but they also understand once they sign it, the team won't have enough for a compelling rosters anymore. So they either sign the supermax then left, or request a trade to another team so they can sign a supermax there. It doesn't make any sense to me. If you allow something like bird rights or rookie extension to have part of the salary to be removed from the salary cap, the team would still be able to offer other players to join. Not every team is lucky enough like OKC to draft 3 MVP players, And even that, they had no choice to let them go later on. If the team like OKC could pay KD, Harden and Westbrook each with 20% total salary while KD has an 25% over salary, Harden and Westbrook each had 10% over. They would still be able to keep Serge and Adams because they still have the 'cap space' to offer to none supermax player.
Hey Andy, can you do about the current miami heat? How they are being good at despite not of all there star players play together and still no. 1 seed in the east?
Ben Simmons will screw the rookie class over down the line, then enforce a service time clause. But what if they are legitimately injury or sickness prone?
Super max amplified one of the old NBA issues where teams cant help themselves from assigning massive contracts to undeserving players. You’d think the All NBA prereqs would be a safeguard for em, but nope lol. Guys game declines and 2yrs into the deal the teams now have players w/un-tradable contracts. Assets to liabilities in a single season. We now see guys like Wall sittin seasons out. Westbrook lookin to be unmovable. Will be interesting to see how they address it all going forward and what the next unintended consequences are
Shabazz Muhammad recently scored 50+ points in the Philippine basketball league. Please make a video of why a lottery pick suddenly falls out from grace.
what about glenn robinson changing the rookie contract structure? he signed a 10 year 68 million dollar deal fresh off of getting drafted #1. the rules regarding rookie contracts were changed almost immediately after the fact.
The main reason the supermax won't work often is, if the player is that good that he can command a supermax and be the type of player who can possibly carry a team like LeBron, then they already have so much money from endorsements that the extra supermax money is meaningless to them
Supermaxes should count less on the cap for the teams. (25% instead of 35%) If they add a second supermax (Durant/Curry) the team with the contracts pays the full luxury tax. Also supermaxes come with auto no-trade clause, if they're traded the player under contract loses their annual 8% raise. That 8% still counts against the original team, and the team can't sign a new supermax until the current players' contract is expired. (Basically turns the supermax into a 10yr veteran max contract) This makes it so teams can't just salary dump supermaxes (Westbrook/Wall?) for draft picks. If players (Harden) wanna force their way out, they have to pay literally and approve of the trade because of the ntc. This would increase the importance of "regular" max players, they'd become more valuable because they can be moved. You'd see basically no supermax movement anymore because of the cap hit and $$ loss, and preventing new supermax signings.
God it’s so rare that anyone is actually worth the super max and everyone comes out great. 1/3 of the teams budget going to one player is a lot of sacrifice to make. Curry is the only one rn that I can think of where everything’s been perfect for all parties.
Add another year to the super max so instead of the 5 year make it a 6 year. But make it only 50% guaranteed for obvious reasons. But that would essentially give the player a minimum of a year and a half of salary that other teams couldn’t offer
Also the Arenas rule was a great example of sterns corruption. The rule is bs because free agency/salary cap was designed for exactly that reason, so other teams had a chance to steal players if the original team didn’t manage correctly. If a team doesn’t have enough cap space to sign their rising star and only signed him for 2 years, that’s on them for not managing the salary cap better. This was the start of the leagues manipulation of markets. Just like the super max, it was intended to let bad franchises hold players hostage after drafting them for as long as possible because it’s profitable
That supermax nonsense was a terrible idea. Both the Gilbert Arenas and Jeremy Lin were the funniest rules I've ever heard. Imagine thinking a player sucks, but the minute they start to ball out for your team, another team snatches them away. Hindsight really is 20/20.
The second one is just a bad rule. Just saying, Kemba is the best player Charlotte have drafted (so far, Lamelo would be consider better in the future), and they didnt want to pay him the bag. But at the end, they are better than a team with Kemba having the supermax and a bunch of bad players would have been. Compromising 35% of your salary with just one player could make your team strugle to get better players surround your superstar and they will stuck in no mans land, just like Beal in wsh or Russ when he was in Okc, after KD's departure. A lot of players might choose the money, but the stars/superstars will choose compete, even thought they signed a contract with less money involved.
Tim Duncan took a significant pay cut to get the Spurs competitive. Dirk also did that. Right now players are so selfish they just want to get paid, and its sad actually, becaise it might affect their legacy...
Legacy? You have 15 years (at best) to maximize your value and potentially affect generations of your family. What is better for your great grandchild the chance to go to the best colleges and brush shoulders with society’s elite or a ring which is locked up in some billionaire’s house because somewhere down the line it was auctioned off to pay some bills.
How many fans can realistically rattle off 70s nba stars off the top of their head? Those who can do that will soon die out. Your true legacy is your children and posterity and making sure that they have resources ot survive and thrive is one of many ways that you can actually help them.
I like the stupidity of having both a Supermax to keep players on a team and simultaneously limiting what a player can earn if they were 2nd round/undefeated if they end up being really good
Aren't the Knicks hella rich? With no stars to spend on? Might as well have spent it on Lin. It's not like someone else massively better was coming along.
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The “Derrick Rose Rule,” which was created after Rose won his MVP while playing on his rookie contract, allows young stars in the NBA to qualify for a higher maximum salary-30% of the cap instead of 25%-early in their careers
And that’s why he belongs in the HOF
@@tmac731 Every in the NBA belongs in the HOF, they the real MVP!
@@tmac731 I wouldn’t give him that yet, I don’t really care for the non hungry oh something hurts again d.Rose. I’m a huge bulls fan and still a huge d.rose fan, but I’m going to say it like it is. Rose barly plays games, he will not give you 82 games. You might get 40 games out of him the entire season, I know players get hurt because all of them do but I still see guys who suffered similar injuries still stay on the court and still has that hungry to be the best in the league. My boy d.rose lost that he’s more passive now and him getting older isn’t an excuse because Lebron, Jordan, Kobe all still drove to be the best in the league even in there late 30’s. I love d.rose but I miss the why can’t I be mvp d.rose a whole lot more. It’s not your body that makes you great it’s your mentality and that I am the best mentality left rose years ago.
@@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79 u clearly dk what it is like to have an injury . He physically couldn’t play . It’s not that hard to understand . The others did not get injured as much
@@paulring9246 I get all that, it’s determination or you let it get to you mentally and start playing cautious. How can you play at an elite level being cautious worrying if you will get injured. I am a D. Rose fan but I’m not afraid to talk about the reality of rose, I’ve watched the mindset he had prior to injury and the mentality to be the best in the league is gone now. He’s more passive and cautious when he plays now, he doesn’t have the mindset he had when he wanted to league to fear him on the court. So at this point no I don’t know if Derrick would go in the HOF at this point because he hasn’t done enough after injury to go there. We can’t just put him there because his name is Derrick Rose if that’s the case it’s a whole lot of players that can go to the hall of fame.
The Supermax is one of the biggest failures the NBA dished out. While the intention was to allow smaller markets to retain their star players, the reality is that these teams are locked in paying a player an absurd amount of their cap space for years to come and hope that said player doesn't get injured or his form doesn't fall off a cliff. Look no further in this case than John Wall and the Washington Wizards - the moment he signed the Supermax, Wall got injured, he was never the same and when the Wizards traded him it was for the larger contract of Westbrook (and they had to give up a 1st round pick as well). Also, considering how Kemba's career went down, in hindsight the Charlotte Hornets made the right call not giving him the Supermax.
Yea good concept in theory but it didn't work out
Almost all supermax players were ringless after signing the deal, except for giannis and I guess curry who won before getting that max. But Dame, cp3, harden, Westbrook, wall all getting or looking at getting traded to other teams and still havent won anything
I mean Wall and Russ projected to fall off soon after signing the Supermax. The Supermax can work as long as your main guys are still productive and healthy. I don't think Jokic,Giannis or Embiid will have issues with production as long as they're healthy because of their size.
Making the cap hit of supermax contracts the same as a regular max would be great if the league really wants to protect small markets
@@MrE_
Don’t rule out Cp3 and the suns.
Don’t rule out harden with the 76ers
Hey Andy , can u bring back your “how good was X NBA player” videos ? You haven’t made one in a while and people have been asking for more
Meh, if he has better ideas then I'm all in, I don't need videos about players I already know everything about, and you can literally check it out yourself if someone was good..
@@KalmoK exactly, I feel like the sum of each one of those videos is: “yeah, he was good” I prefer these other more interesting topics
I watch every video and have never seen a comment untill now asking for more.
Like how good Mike Miller was?
@@shamsielshahar120 Mike Miller is the certified goat
Really glad that “the Gilbert arenas” rule was implemented , cause it also applied to second round picks as well , like Nikola Jokic and etc
Gilbert was a second round pick
Lol what do you mean “as well”? The whole point of the rule is that it was meant for second round picks (as well as undrafted picks)
Jokic was never going anywhere anyways
Jokic is jealous of Darkos Apple Orchard back in Serbia
Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Ginobilli, Isaiah Thomas. There are so many great Second Rounder
The most interesting part about the Gilbert arenas rule is how it even happened. A lot of people don't know Gil was supposed to actually be a first round pick but a lot of teams got turned off by his pre-draft interviews( talked abt being a pimp ), so he ended up falling to the second round
Lol well i mean dude did stay strapped so I guess he wasnt lying
@@Amm17ar Many professional athletes "stay strapped".
What’s wrong with being a pimp? I mean, even transgender people have rights nowadays. Pimps should have rights too.
@@Amm17arYea i remember that crazy interview and didnt even bring real clothes to workout.
That Gilbert Arenas rule really help a lot of teams.
Should of been that way from the start and technically it only effected teams without cap space(before the rule change)
The Allan Houston Rule should have been mentioned, where owners can invoke an amnesty clause to release a player whose contract hurts the team.
The 76ers should have did it with Simmons smh
@@itslez7447 if we did that we wouldn't have gotten James.
@@williefaulker thats true too
Yes!!
I think that rule is a one time thing only that is applied during every new CBA. The player still receives the whole salary as stipulated on his contract, but it is no longer counted against the salary cap calculations. Although it would be interesting if the teams would be able to apply that rule for a defined interval (once every 4 or 5 years?) instead of tying it to the salary cap.
Who would’ve thought Gilbert arenas & Jeremy Lin would be important with the NBA future contract rules
Arenas got paid 100 mill to chill at home, that should tell you something
@@bartier861 that’s a different contract.
@@JC4.80 ik but that was a result of the original sin of not allowing golden state to match any offer
@@bartier861 yea not wrong
The crazy thing is, Gilbert's rule most likely wouldn't have happened had he not boxed his draft workout interview
The answer to the Supermax is to get the 35% of the cap in actuality, but only having a 25% cap hit. Allows the player to get the money incentive to stay and the team to be competitive to get that star some help
That’s wack
Yes, literally this. The NBA thought that small market teams being able to offer the most money would help them keep their stars but in reality it just fucks their cap space and leaves them unable to afford a good supporting cast for their star. Now, if they were able to offer 35% of the cap but only take a 25% cap hit, that's way more incentive for stars to stay in their small market teams, since they'll actually be able to get a good supporting cast with the cap space now available and stay competitive. Most of these supermax guys get traded after a few years because they want to compete for a chip but their organisation can't afford to pay quality supporting players to help them.
Regarding with the supermax deal they need to include a no trade clause for at least 2-3 yrs
For the team or the player?
That's a terrible idea lol. Supermax already bad enough, imagine not being able to trade Westbrook or John Wall.
Wtf lol that’s like being at a job and they say “You can’t quit for the first 2-3 years of you’re employment”
Gtf out of here lol 😂
@@jackmass4798 agreed. supermax is like a curse to NBA teams it should be removed. Once that player is traded or retired it sets the teams back years into a rebuild tanking process
Hmm, those are interesting rules I didn't know about. Except the Jeremy Lin one. Glad that's worked out.
Now I hope they do something about the contract rules regarding trades. Like the Harden and Simmons case.
They can’t bc it’ll also be up to the players to vote yes
@@bartier861 There should be an option for players to void contracts if they don’t want to be there so players can request to forfeit the rest of their contract, owners sign off on it, and teams can regain it in the cap space instead having players sit out whole seasons or teams having to buy them out
@@drasconboy6349 you must be out yo damn mind
@@drasconboy6349 so a player could be drafted one day and the next day he’s a laker❓
?? Lakers don’t got cap space, even then voiding the contract means that the team keeps the money to sign another player(s) to fill that role and the owner had to agree to it, which they’ll most likely do if a player is sitting/ throwing games
Don't forget that Andrew Bynum signed a $100M contact for Philly and didn't ever play for them because he was hurt.
From a bowling accident
These are the types of videos we want, Andy. Much prefer videos about the past events, players, teams, etc instead of videos about current nba teams.
Agreed. I can't stand Trade Season in the league because people do hrs of podcasts on hypothetical trades than actual news
@@kingabe07 I love trade season, but yes a lot of the content that comes out is of hypothetical trades or how good hypothetical teams will perform and it gets kinda old quick
@@Minchyy03 Exactly! I listen to The Ringer's NBA podcasts and they notorious this season for it. I had to fast forward alot of the segments to get to what happened in the previous night games. It got into overkill just like all the NBA media is doing with the Lakers right now. Can we spend time talking about teams whom are actually good more than a bad team
There is a second Arenas rule the Otter war when he was not playing and the NBA changed some to get players of the roster
You should do the veteran free-agent changes from 1988 that took away compensation and open things up. Tom Chambers was one of the more prominent free agents that took advantage of this
I didn’t know about these contract rules
The next CBA is definitely going to be interesting. Especially with the Ben Simmons thing and other situations
Yep. He's gonna impact the percentage of guaranteed money someone may get
Man what happened to chasing greatness? The bag will come eventually.
@@felixoseiowusu3628 nba will always have guaranteed money
I hope you guys know the players have to vote yes to actually form new rules
The 76ers shouldn’t have thrown that man under the bus after a playoff game
So fuck them
I would’ve done the same shit Ben did
You could fix the Supermax deal by making a portion of the contract not count towards the cap. If they get traded to another team, that same portion gets paid by the original team while the new team pays the “normal” portion of the contract.
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Great video. I’m sure the nba will come up with a new rule soon after this Ben Simmons fiasco.
Lin actually left because Knicks didn't respect him enough, but sure let's just say he was greedy..
Nah he was greedy
@@shastealyomeal Yeah like he got a supermax from Houston... Also when Melo came back his playing time just went to nothing, would you be happy to get DNP's watching the team lose with selfish, shitty leader when you balled the f*ck out and actually lead the team to some wins? Nobody would stay on a team that doesn't want them, Lin said it himself and everyone who has any idea about NBA knows it... call it greed if you want, just makes you look really stupid and petty for reasons I don't understand at all..
@@shastealyomeal More like the Knicks are greedy. They could just shell out a few millions to bring him back but they did not. Any human being wants financial stability. The financial stability everyone wanted is offered to him so it is more being actually smart than being stpid, caring about loyalty like Isaiah Thomas.
@@shastealyomeal So it wasn't Melos fault ?
What about "Derrick Rose Rule" and of course the "Larry Bird Rule" that created "Bird rights"
I really thought Andy was referring to the “bird rights” with NBA free agents ? But I guess it’s really referring to something else
It’s another good amazing Saturday and that means Andy Hoops Saturday videos yessir!!!
can you do a video on " what if the knicks resigned jeremy lin?" i wonder how that team would have progressed
Melo
gonna forget about carmelo?
Well this is a "what if" so we can simply have melo being good with lin in this simulation
@@noahkukhalashvili5559 how does wondering what the team would have been like with Jeremy Lin, mean I forgot about Melo?
@@Disneymagic24 melo was the reason Lin fell off
I’m waiting for the James harden “force your way out “ rule and and the Ben Simmons rule
You know they can’t really control that right❓wilt chamberlain and kareem forced trades 30 years before most of us were born
Especially a Ben Simmons rules
You shouldn't be able to sit out half a season cause your feelings were hurt.
@@bartier861
Actually in an interview Kareem said he asked and the bucks agreed to the trade before his last season in Milwaukee started
He didn’t just show up out of shape , sit out, and not play with everything he got
Since they both knew it was their last season together Kareem went out and got them a chip
@@dasher920 don’t let the media fool you lol players forcing there way out is just part of the game, now if owners want to lengthen contracts to how they use to be then go ahead
@@dasher920 that was the only way he was gonna get traded 😂
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Andy, let’s get a “RECAP: The 1978 Washington Bullets” series going.
Take an obscure season and RECAP that season so people have a real documentary style understanding of what happened.
You could use a single crazy season for a team, player, fan base, coach. It would be pretty cool to see your version of this type of style.
I was assuming you're talk abou the Bird's rules for birth rights
Noti gang & im happy af players control they destiny in the nba idc what anybody say NFL players need to follow suite get that money guaranteed & play wherever you want maybe shorter deals I’m not a fan of just quitting on your team
Thank you 💯💯💯
Someone with some damn sense
NBA has to do something about players not honoring their contracts and wanting to get paid for doing nothing.
Well, what about GMs not doing their job?
What about Portland GM not doing his job helping Damian lillard?
@@robert2690 and how would that be fixed
Lol pretty sure theres 2 Gilbert Arenas rules in contracts, the one you mentioned but also the thought to be unnecessary and obvious rule, "Dont bring guns into our locker room" rule thats now included in most NBA contracts.
Thank for this. Sometimes money isn't everything for players.
For a second I thought the Gilbert Arenas rule would be about his gun incident
They were just talking about this rule on his podcast the other day.
Mind if I ask which podcast you’re talking about?
@@brandonlzh no chill podcast
Glad to see you back!!!
I'd much rather have an NBA rule named after me than a NASCAR rule
home grown stars should be able to get 40% of the cap + 8% additional each year but make it so that only 25 out of 40% would count in the budget cap. this would incentivice players to stay because they know their team would have better cap flexibility than the other team that they would sign a max contract with
The Arenas situation had a pretty simple solution if you think about it. Why not just make second round rookie contracts three years, so the team has the player's Bird rights?
Yeah, the way the NBA "solved" it is just over-complicated.
The Gilbert Arenas rule really helped out a lot of teams.
And really hurt the hard working 2nd round players
@@Ruben-wm7hx How so? The Nuggest were still allowed to offer Jokic a big contract thanks to this rule so another team couldn't steal him. It's only been a net positive.
@@jacobwilliams1223 The fact that in this video alone it shows that Tyler Johnson wasn’t allowed to take the much higher salary that the Nets offered him and had to stay with Heat for less
@@Ruben-wm7hx you cant force a player to stay. The nets made an offer and the heat MATCHED it. Then he chose to stay with the heat
@@Ruben-wm7hx bro he chose to stay with the heat lol the nets back then weren't the nets of now
Supermax was a big reason why Giannis stayed in Milwaukee
Next rule gonna be the Zion rule. Whenever he publicly declares to be traded
So refreshing to hear a story about Gilbert Arenas that doesn't involve a gun
I love the idea to have the supermax not count as much against the cap of the team. It’s not fair for a team to have to destroy all its financial flexibility to keep one great player. And why would that player want to stay if the team can’t afford to build around them? Again, great idea to change that.
All because Arenas said during pre-draft interviews he would want to be a pimp if he wasn‘t playing basketball 😂
Funny to think that if we didn’t have the Gilbert Arenas rule players like Nikola Jokic would be on another team rn
Completely agree on the supermax idea. To me, a supermax contract should be equal to 40% of the salary cap but only 20% counts towards the cap. This would allow teams to sign and or resign role players. Then if capped any max deals to 25% and not allow any additions to reach the 30-35% range, that should give enough incentive for players to reach a “supermax” deal. However, the criteria to me should be simply completing your 2nd contract with the team that drafted you. Or if traded by the team that drafted you. To prevent a Kwahi or AD type scenario you could put in a revision that GM’s can sign that a player essentially forced the teams hand. As in refusal to play, had consistent “non threatening” injuries, behavior deter mental to the team. Players would be allowed to appeal this assignment and state their case. This would allow a check and balance. Incentives players to stay for larger sums of money. Teams could build around stars. Players couldn’t be punished by teams trading them away. And teams would not be held hostage by their players.
I knew about the first two. The last one I didn’t. Makes so much sense. It was so hard to get good trades in 2k back then lol
good video
a Arenas related subject without guns being mentioned, that was surprising
The next CBA is going to be interesting with the new rules teams might ask for due to Simmons and Irving.
Basically, the owners want more control.
I mean, it’s no brainer. Do you really think owners care about the fans? No. Owning a franchise is their investment. Investment means money.
The owners will do everything they can to control the player, own a player.
@@robert2690 IMO this is one of the rare cases where the interests of both the owners and fans coincide. Fans want to see the stars on the floor, the owners want to see the stars on the floor to attract ticket buyers. I'm guessing what will happen is the players would ask for better mental health support from the team, and then the owners will ask for contract changes that prevents the player from holding the team hostage. They'll hammer it out eventually in their meetings.
How about the Derrick Rose rule?
One thing I could suggest for the Supermax issue: have the team exempt one player at a time from luxury tax/salary cap calculations. Same criteria as with those eligible for a Supermax, however as long as that player is with the team, he will take that designation unless they waive the designation and the player would slide back to the "normal" max level salary. This would incentivize the teams to retain their drafted players while not limiting their options to give him ample support.
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9:02 why he slapping KD like that 😂😂
The Tyler Johnson contract you mentioned with the arenas rules was also a poison pill contract by the nets that Miami had to eat
Tyler’s deal was just under 6 million the first 2 years but was 18-19 million the last 2
9:02 Ibaka slappin the Snake out of KD
I remember when KD did that & the NBA created the Superman after but I didn’t think it was the KD rule. Thanks for the update.
As of now, the supermax contracts don't really benefit both the team and the player in terms of building a championship-caliber team. Best one so far is with Steph and the Warriors but even the Warriors were struggling to keep their dynastic team going and their present team had to rely on their draft picks, finding unknown or undervalued players, and sucking up another max contract to keep it competitive while being stuck with no cap space
I am not an expert, can anyone explain to me why the contract or supermax deal couldn't be something like :" After 4 years (Rookie deal) you can offer a extension with lets say, 20% of the total salary plus 10-25% over the salary cap. So you can actually paid your superstar while maintaining the necessary cap space for other player as well?" Because a lot superstar player want the money but they also understand once they sign it, the team won't have enough for a compelling rosters anymore. So they either sign the supermax then left, or request a trade to another team so they can sign a supermax there. It doesn't make any sense to me. If you allow something like bird rights or rookie extension to have part of the salary to be removed from the salary cap, the team would still be able to offer other players to join. Not every team is lucky enough like OKC to draft 3 MVP players, And even that, they had no choice to let them go later on. If the team like OKC could pay KD, Harden and Westbrook each with 20% total salary while KD has an 25% over salary, Harden and Westbrook each had 10% over. They would still be able to keep Serge and Adams because they still have the 'cap space' to offer to none supermax player.
Hey Andy, can you do about the current miami heat? How they are being good at despite not of all there star players play together and still no. 1 seed in the east?
make a vid on mehmet okur. the most forgotten all star who would have been an issue in the modern nba
All they need to “update” now is if a player don’t play, they don’t get pay (injuries excluded), just like any other jobs.
Ben Simmons will screw the rookie class over down the line, then enforce a service time clause. But what if they are legitimately injury or sickness prone?
love this video
There will be a "Ben Simmons rule" soon...
Super max amplified one of the old NBA issues where teams cant help themselves from assigning massive contracts to undeserving players. You’d think the All NBA prereqs would be a safeguard for em, but nope lol. Guys game declines and 2yrs into the deal the teams now have players w/un-tradable contracts. Assets to liabilities in a single season. We now see guys like Wall sittin seasons out. Westbrook lookin to be unmovable. Will be interesting to see how they address it all going forward and what the next unintended consequences are
Shabazz Muhammad recently scored 50+ points in the Philippine basketball league. Please make a video of why a lottery pick suddenly falls out from grace.
One reason was because his attitude wasn't great
Nice video 👍
funny thing about that Lin Asik deal is both got traded after the second year lol. Rockets didn’t pay the $15 mil
I thought I only have 2 reason why Gilbert Arenas is popular
1. Guns in the locker room
2. The goat of choker (free throw vs lebron)
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Jaylen Brown next video Andy Hoops 🙏🙏🙏
what about glenn robinson changing the rookie contract structure? he signed a 10 year 68 million dollar deal fresh off of getting drafted #1. the rules regarding rookie contracts were changed almost immediately after the fact.
The main reason the supermax won't work often is, if the player is that good that he can command a supermax and be the type of player who can possibly carry a team like LeBron, then they already have so much money from endorsements that the extra supermax money is meaningless to them
Jimmy Butler signed a 185M deal with the heat. His presence made that team a top 5 team in the league. Bad example there.
Wow I didn't know Gilbert played for the golden state warriors
Make these videos longer!!
They should make a kawhi Leonard rule and make contracts non guaranteed. I bet he comes back real quick if that were the case.
Supermaxes should count less on the cap for the teams. (25% instead of 35%)
If they add a second supermax (Durant/Curry) the team with the contracts pays the full luxury tax.
Also supermaxes come with auto no-trade clause, if they're traded the player under contract loses their annual 8% raise. That 8% still counts against the original team, and the team can't sign a new supermax until the current players' contract is expired. (Basically turns the supermax into a 10yr veteran max contract)
This makes it so teams can't just salary dump supermaxes (Westbrook/Wall?) for draft picks. If players (Harden) wanna force their way out, they have to pay literally and approve of the trade because of the ntc.
This would increase the importance of "regular" max players, they'd become more valuable because they can be moved. You'd see basically no supermax movement anymore because of the cap hit and $$ loss, and preventing new supermax signings.
God it’s so rare that anyone is actually worth the super max and everyone comes out great. 1/3 of the teams budget going to one player is a lot of sacrifice to make. Curry is the only one rn that I can think of where everything’s been perfect for all parties.
Dame Liliard is eligible for that super max contract since he stayed on Blazers for a very long time
Can we just take a moment to admire Jeremy Lin swatting D Rose's shot like he was trash.
9:36 KNICKS DID NOT OFFER HIM ANY CONTRACT AS PER LIN RECENT INTERVIEWS
Damn man 30 sec of commercials before the video even starts…
Add another year to the super max so instead of the 5 year make it a 6 year. But make it only 50% guaranteed for obvious reasons. But that would essentially give the player a minimum of a year and a half of salary that other teams couldn’t offer
Also the Arenas rule was a great example of sterns corruption. The rule is bs because free agency/salary cap was designed for exactly that reason, so other teams had a chance to steal players if the original team didn’t manage correctly. If a team doesn’t have enough cap space to sign their rising star and only signed him for 2 years, that’s on them for not managing the salary cap better. This was the start of the leagues manipulation of markets. Just like the super max, it was intended to let bad franchises hold players hostage after drafting them for as long as possible because it’s profitable
I thought AD missed out on the supermax because he didn’t make multiple all-nba teams 🤷♂️
That supermax nonsense was a terrible idea. Both the Gilbert Arenas and Jeremy Lin were the funniest rules I've ever heard. Imagine thinking a player sucks, but the minute they start to ball out for your team, another team snatches them away. Hindsight really is 20/20.
Ben Simmons rule incoming
I'm not going to lie it's weird seeing Gil without a fresh cut lol
Maybe switch it up and do a how bad series
The second one is just a bad rule. Just saying, Kemba is the best player Charlotte have drafted (so far, Lamelo would be consider better in the future), and they didnt want to pay him the bag. But at the end, they are better than a team with Kemba having the supermax and a bunch of bad players would have been. Compromising 35% of your salary with just one player could make your team strugle to get better players surround your superstar and they will stuck in no mans land, just like Beal in wsh or Russ when he was in Okc, after KD's departure. A lot of players might choose the money, but the stars/superstars will choose compete, even thought they signed a contract with less money involved.
Tim Duncan took a significant pay cut to get the Spurs competitive. Dirk also did that. Right now players are so selfish they just want to get paid, and its sad actually, becaise it might affect their legacy...
@@MisterReZ what do you mean? How many players try to take less and form super-teams only to be disrespected by fans and media for trying to win.
Legacy? You have 15 years (at best) to maximize your value and potentially affect generations of your family. What is better for your great grandchild the chance to go to the best colleges and brush shoulders with society’s elite or a ring which is locked up in some billionaire’s house because somewhere down the line it was auctioned off to pay some bills.
You forget that an nba player might snap his leg in two by year two.
How many fans can realistically rattle off 70s nba stars off the top of their head? Those who can do that will soon die out. Your true legacy is your children and posterity and making sure that they have resources ot survive and thrive is one of many ways that you can actually help them.
Good video
Weird seeing arenas in a Afro
The disrespect to Boogie he definitely deserved a Supermax
With the salary cap being instituted, there is no such thing as Large or Small Market teams.
I like the stupidity of having both a Supermax to keep players on a team and simultaneously limiting what a player can earn if they were 2nd round/undefeated if they end up being really good
I hate the supermax contracts
You & me both
Aren't the Knicks hella rich? With no stars to spend on? Might as well have spent it on Lin. It's not like someone else massively better was coming along.
You don’t have to be in your 8th season to get a super max deal as u can see Jared Allen the center for the Clevland cavaliers lol
I thought the Gilbert arenas rule was going to be along the lines of no firearms in the locker room or something.