Silvertone 1484, Vintage Fender Mustang, and Weber Attenuator
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2016
- In this clip, I take you through a demo of my Silvertone 1484 amp. It's a very cool-looking, unique-sounding vintage amp! Garage rock tones for days!
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1964 Silvertone 1484
Weber Attenuator www.tedweber.com/minimass
Sennheiser e609 Mic sweetwater.sjv.io/75XVqY
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Thank you for not playing cheesy blues riffs and shreds
Taste!
Thanks for noticing! When looking at an amp like the 1484, it seemed appropriate to demo raunchier, gritty things :-)
Plus, I can't really shred anyway!
This, this, this, fucking this, is why I'm here! Jesus christ, it's so refreshing to find someone that digs the shit you're into playing good music where you actually hear how great the gear sounds instead of blues wanky bullshit.
Yeah.. I get sick of that aswell!
Can we foment some sort of uprising against pentatonic shred demos
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I am original owner of this amp purchased for me in 1965 by my dad when I was 8 yrs. old. Glad I never sold it. Still works great.
Smart man!
Skeeter that’s a very special thing man.
"A Mesa Boogie speaker... It's just a speaker, I don't know, it doesn't have much personality on it...".
Ten thousand speaker nerds clutch their pearls...
ha ha ha! Blasphemy!
One must be careful to not upset the speaker trolls!
Those tremolo tones were fabulous, the lovely tube driven throb just sounded the real deal.
Yeah! This amp has great tremolo!
When I was a kid in 1965-1966, I played in an 8th grade garage band. I always wanted your exact rig: a Mustang and a Sears (affordable) piggyback amp. Couldn’t afford it then. But now I have a Mustang and a Twin Reverb nearly 55 years later. Let’s play “Satisfaction” and “Wipeout”!
One of the coolest amps in regards to tone. Hence its very well deserved popularity.
Look what Sears and Roebuck were doing in the 60s! Something for everybody. Wish I had a Sears catalog from 1964.
Thank you, for such a nice review. In love with this amp and great to hear it in this situation
Oh yeah - it's a cool old amp!
Thank you. My dad bought me this when I was 14. Wonderful.
Lucky duck!
Thank you so much for doing this video. Sears Silvertone amps are great. I knew. guy in 1981 who brought one over so we could jam and that thing sounded great. They break up really well and roll the guitar volume down and it cleans up great. Just a great amp.
Yeah! They're a lot like a Fender bassman, but break up earlier, and have a certain silvertone funkiness that works great!
The aesthetics are ridiculously cool. Sounds great, too. Basically it's amazing.
Silvertone should really reissue these!
Look at how well the new Supro amps are doing - clearly there's a big market for the retro goodness!
Eric Haugen I’d love to see it but I’m still able to find great 1483’s and 1484’s that just need recaps, etc for well under $500. Full piggybacks not just the heads. Since these were handwired I can’t imagine they’d ever do that again and make them affordable. But still I’d love to see a reissue attempt! Lol
Sounds good? It sounds fantastic! I love that sound! Love your playing btw!
I am always impressed by your playing.
It really is nice to hear someone demoing gear by playing stuff I’d actually play myself
I’ve been hunting for gear recently and it’s very, very difficult to evaluate demos when everything is sort of idiomatically bluesy, metal, country, etc.
You have my dream rig right there
I hope someday your dreams some true! Lucky for us, the dream rig isn't altogether too expensive - compared to other vintage rigs :)
Eric Haugen oh yeah! Your rig looks like it's a stones/ velvet underground machine!
Precisely! It goes from clean to mean really well!
@@curtis5979 I was getting that Jack White vibe
I have the JHS Twin Twelve pedal, which does a pretty good job of emulating the Silvertone 1484's tubes... great vid! Those ghost tones sounded sick
Good to know! I like the JHS stuff.
Yeah, that busted reverb ghost thing is coooooool!
your silvertone sounds amazing man!!!!
"7 and 7 is" nice! love ure vids! u hear like i hear, Ive had a 76 mustang for 10 years and I always thought I was gonna get a "real guitar" someday (strat, les paul, etc.) but, combined with owning a strat and not liking it that much plus ure vids, I've decided that my mustang is the best guitar 4 me. i love the neck and I love how low output yet transparent the pickups are. its got better dynamics and better tone and volume control than any guitar I think I've played.
Thanks Dr. Ray!
I love my Mustang! I can get any Fender-y sound I need out of it: twangy, stingy, ropey, smooth, warm.
The neck is tiny, so I do find if I've been playing my Tele all week and I pick up the Mustang, I'm a little clumsy for an hour or so, until my hands get used to it :-)
Awesome set up! Great playing too!
Thanks so much!
I have a 1484 but the cabinet has four Celestion G10’s. Cool amp, and a great demo. Thx, Eric. )
Love the riff from the band Love you briefly played.
Thanks Alex! I love Love.
We cover a few of their tunes in my band, so I'll often sneak in licks I've learned into demo vids :-)
The Silvertone 1484 is exactly the same as the Danelectro DS-50 which I'm currently servicing: both schematics are available on the web. 2 x 6L6GC puts you into the 40W-50W ballpark, and this really is Danelectro's Bassman. Great demo...
Aha - I think my tech was mistaken when he told me 20-30.
Makes sense that it's sort of a bassman - sounds kinda that way :-)
If this is their Bassman then what's my 64 Danelectro twin twelve?
Great demo!
thanks for the demo. Helped me in some decisions,
Excellent!
I really like my 1484, but I don't use it that much - something boxy/dead about the cabinet that I wish I could change.
Sure looks cool as hell tho!
Nice amp! You're right, there aren't a lot of demos of this amp despite it's popularity. I've got an early '65 1484 with original Amperex/RCA tubes and original Jensens, and it has a super-clear 'Hifi' sound with a single coil guitar like a Tele or Casino. The Burstbucker 1 and 2 humbuckers from my Les Paul will overdrive this amp at any volume, even with the guitar volume rolled way off. My favorite guitar with this amp was my '64 reissue Gibson ES-345 with Varitone control. The pair of low-output humbuckers were perfect from moving from clean to dirty without having to use pedals. Thanks for the review!
+ellis2699 yeah I gotta do another vid with some humbuckers! Totally different sound!
I love the sound of this amp ! Silvertone made great amps. I have. 1481 Silvertone amp...having it worked on soon by a expert amp modifier/repair guy. I have a line on a 1484 Silvertone and highly probability I'll be buying it soon ! I have a 1966 Vox Cambridge Reverb v1031 solid state and it sounds very close to tube...the reverb n tremolo are amazing ! I have a 1967 Gibson Medalist 4/10 amp...huge vertical reverb tank...sounds amazing along with the tremolo as well. I have a 2003 Fender Blues Jr as well...about to have a Fromel complete upgrade kit installed in it. Finally, have a Vox Valvetronix hybrid...it has like 12 pre-installed sounds in it, including AC130 and AC15 sounds...sounds pretty good too. I find each amp has its own distinct sound !!! Thanks again for the demo !!!!
That's an excellent collection!
I've always been curious about the solid voxes and old kustoms - they were quite in vouge for a while. Plus, not having to maintain a tube amp is a huuuuge bonus :-D
Thanks man ! Thanks again for your demo ! Those Silvertones are phenomenal sounding. I'll find you a Vox solid state amp example on here. They sound amazingly close to tube for sure.
ruclips.net/video/vNQYhPlfCe0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/XJiAY9HaAM8/видео.html
Here's a great tremolo example the solid state Cambridge Reverb Vox
ruclips.net/video/vS8-yyDTeA8/видео.html
Same guy here again - the other videos it appears he has humbuckers - this one he has single coil pickups
ruclips.net/video/F2kfPsTg0Jg/видео.html
I have two 1483’s and two 1484’s and the best part is none of them sound the same! Love the 1483’s though, squishier less booming sound thanks to the tube rectified circuit and not solid state rectified like the 1484. Both have their charms.
oooh I haven't had the pleasure of playing with one of those!
Sounds like I'd like it a lot!
For those watching more recently, with slightly higher output PuPs, in a Strat, or Gretsch, breaks up so freakin' nicely at a really moderate volume, thats its really golden. My LP custom shop R8 is unbelievably amazing for vintage tone. I attenuate through a Two Notes Reload, and push the output tubes to around 85%, and its a freakin' growling rock machine, in classic style. MUCH more handler then its big brother for bedroom/home recording. Currently pushing through modern Vintage Jensen C12N 2 x 12 solid Pine cab, but sounded god-like through a pair of Fanes in a 2 x 12 cab...GREAT home studio amp...hell, this thing sounded fantastic in a venue with the 2 x 12 fane cab....every guitar I own, Humbucker, Single coil, Filtertron, P-90, all play great through this thing. You can find a tone for almost everything if your looking for 60's to 70's stuff. For recording, EVERY studio should have one...mine sits right next to my JCM-800 and my Hiwatts...
Excellent info, man!
I'm eternally jealous of your Hiwatts!
Lol 😆😅😂
You get incredible tones out of this gear! I've never used an attenuator and I've never owned a vintage tube amp (my main amp is a 20w Laney Lionheart combo), but I definitely feel a lot of tone envy when I watch your channel. You know, I've nearly invested in a Strymon Flint twice now, based solely on your demos. But they suck a lot of power and my board runs on a Volto. Plus, you know, money.
Thanks David!
Those Laneys are darn good amps! Vintage or new, good gear is good gear :-)
Yeah, the strymon stuff is great, but it's costly, and uses a lot of power. I'd have more of their pedals, if not for those considerations :-)
Ty great video and great sound !!
Thanks Frédérick!
I just found another one of these locally in great original shape with the original Jensens and RCA silvertone 6L6’s and 12ax7’s still going strong. Price was right so I couldn’t resist.. I’m now up to three 1484’s and they all have their own thing goin’ on 🤯 The 1483’s are still my favorite probably.
Cool!
I gotta track down a 1483 and play with it - gotta keep my eye on craigslist! There's gotta be some old timer around here that's got one in their garage!
Love this amp, sounds so mid 60s rock. No matter what you play, sounds like the 60s haha
Totally!
Plus, that's basically my style anyway :-)
I have the Mini Mass, it's a great attenuator especially for the price. As usual, awesome playing and awesome tone!
It's such a great tool!
Lately I've noticed it has a bonus feature - as well as attenuating volume, it also reduces transformer hum and hiss when it's engaged!
OH MY GOD when you turned the volume down and reverb up?! What in the hell! That is awesome. My Twin 12's reverb doesn't work and wish I could try this! Grateful the tremolo works.
Weird right?? Very useful for sound fx type stuff.
I love the trem on these too 👍
your tone is incredible man.
+Kyle Smith Thanks Kyle! As you can probably tell, I spend quite a bit of time working on my sound!
Nice tone you got there.
that no volume except reverb is very cool and usable - done it myself!
Yeah! so trippy!
I always thought the 1484's were 60 watts and the 1483's were 20 watts. I've got a really beat up 1482 that I just adore. I wish it were a bit louder, but it has an unbeatable grittiness. You're making me wanna try out one of those Jensen Mod speakers. Lovely tones and your lessons are fantastic.
I honestly have no idea how many watts the 1484 is, both my amp techs say different things :-)
Those Jensen Mod speakers are great for the price, but my favorite speakers are the Weber Alnicos. They're very bright, but have tons of personality.
Rock on!
I have a 1482 with a Weber Alnico 25w installed, and it sounds much better compared to the 1482 with the stock Fisher at my local shop. Breaks up just as early, but stays tighter, and is appreciably louder! I'd definitely recommend the upgrade :)
And like Eric mentioned, the added brightness of the Weber definitely helps if you're running an attenuator. The previous owner installed one in the cabinet of the amp, with two holes drilled through the back panel to bypass and adjust it. I never use the bright switch!
how do you have the attenuator rigged up between the amp head and cab? My cab has the original wire direct into the cab without a 1/4 in jack. I am assuming you had some work done to it? I am in dire need of an attenuator....neighbors orders.
Sears and Roebuck Silvertone Twin Twelve (1484) are 45 watts.
Great review
Thanks, my fellow Eric!
such cool guitar, nice playing
Thanks man! ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪
You have inspired me. I bought a similar used one about 50 years ago. Mine is a 1483 - no reverb - no tremolo. Do I dare try to fire it up? I'm sure it hasn't been energized in 30 years. Loved the playing. I liked the show Longmire too.
Cool! I've never seen the 1483 - I hope yours still works!
@@EricHaugenGuitar Me too. I'm going to definitely do some tests on it before I fire it up. I'll bet some caps are bad. You Tube folks say it was sold as a bass amp, but so was the Fender Bassman and that has been used for many a guitar. Thanks for answering.
I smell Seven and Seven Is, Cowgirl in the Sound, some spaghetti western, John Barry themes a la Portishead, Jack ‘O Diamonds, amongst others. Is there no end to your good taste (and the versatility of that Mustang), Mr Haugen? Well played, sir!
Thanks man!
Yeah definietely one of those "jack of all trades, master of none" guys. If I had to pin down my area of specialty, I'd just shrug my shoulders and say, "classic rock." :-)
That indeed was the chord you were looking for!
Sounds awesome
Thanks Anthony!
At 5:50, I think you were trying to remember the 6CG7 tube. Most of the Danelectro-built amps will have one or two of them, depending whether or not they have Reverb. Theyre somewhat like a 12AU7 in a taller bottle and with a different pin assignment, definitely not directly interchangeable (and the 12AU7 12AX7 family of tubes can run off 6 or 12 volt filament Supply, but the 6 cg7 will only work on 6 volts). 6CG7s were manufactured in huge quantities for television news, so there's plenty of New Old Stock ones still around and they're not all that expensive. You will see them in some of the Vintage McIntosh amplifiers as well.
Cool! Thanks for the info!
Excellent review. I gigged for years with this in the late 60's. Kept the reverb down to 1.5. Ha! Super tremelo. Thanks for demo-ing the true sounds and not messy metal/OD stuff.
Cool!
Yeah - keeping the reverb down low is the way to go, any higher and it gets weeeeeird!
That reverb only tone is awesome.
Hi Eric, I don't know if you're acquainted with "COUSIN DOUG" Great amp/electronics tutorials... Here, in this provided link to 3 episodes, he restores a hopeless case of a 1485 Silvertone (100 watts- 6x10"Jensens- YIKES!!!!) ruclips.net/video/MBSYCaosk_k/видео.html I learned ALOT watching... Best!
Yeah that’s the Jack White special! I’ll have to check that out!
@@EricHaugenGuitar ruclips.net/video/uG5cYuA5Soo/видео.html ...
Also Eric, this series about his 1474
My first electric guitar was a Silvertone Stratocaster copy. The electeonics eventually failed so I gutted it and put in some premium electronics and new pickups. The new parts cost more than the guitar did initially but now it's super solid and beautiful sounding.
It was all worth it. The guitar means too much to me to get rid of it. Still a workhorse.
Love it!
I bet it blows people's minds to see a cheap Silvertone, but HEAR it sound so good!
I played through one of these as a kid.
I saw Steve Stills play through one in about 2006 or so. IMO there's a bit of attack compression on big chords. It's not a bad thing.
This head with a Weber speaker cab are the fav of the outrageous Rev Peyton. DO check him out.
When I saw Stephen Stills in New Orleans he had 2 of these.It sounded very similar to this.The Mustang has it's charm!
Ringing notes don't stick around long I noticed.Cool video!
Whoah that stage rig must've sounded awesome! Exactly right about the sustain on the Mustang - it's got the cut and bite, just not much after that (ﾟ∀ﾟ)
Yes it was quite a racket! Stephen likes to kick it out with his solo band.
Fender Mustang Guitar? is that right?
Yup! It's my trusty '66 mustang!
Great vids. Digging the Ry Cooder one. I have a 1484 head that I play through a Tremolux cab with three Jensen alnico 10's. I plan on making a twin 12 cab using finger jointed pine ( I'm a cabinet maker) and want the best sounding speakers for the buck. I looked at the Jensen Mod speakers and they offer four versions. Which ones would you recommend for the 1484?
Hrmmm I do like the mod 50s pretty well. However, my favorite speakers are Weber Alnicos. They have so much woody personality - I have them in both my tweed amps and just love playing them.
If I could change the speakers out again on my 1484 without the baffle board falling apart, I'd get two Weber 12A125 speakers. I have one in my tweed deluxe and it's just beautiful!
Hey Eric, do you know the Ohm rating on the 1484? I just got one and I also would love to use an attenuators but I was told I need to know the ohm rating. Thanks!
My tech told me these old guys run at 4ohms :-D
Really lovely tremolo and that weird reverb with the volume off! Lee Perry strangeness. Great sounding amp. Nice Mustang into the bargain. Great combination.
I know right! That reverb bleed effect is really cool for theatrical ambient stuff! Thanks!
My first amp was a '69 Silvertone, essentially the solid state version of this . Reverb still did the same thing with the volume down. I paid $20 for that amp in 1978. I played it through the mid 80's, in my early bands. I had a chance to buy another one in '95 for $199, wish I had got that one.
+VoxAC4&10 Cool! There's one of those solid state ones on my local Craigslist - maybe I should check it out!
Btw - I friggin LOVE AC4s! Haven't gotten to try an AC10 yet - vintage or reissue - but I adore voxes.
Under what conditions did you blow the original Jensens? I have two 1484’s, one that is scary mint and original and another that’s VG- and covered in rust, etc. The rusty one drives earlier! But the clean one stays cleaner longer (pretty funny huh?) haha but I’m wondering if I should chill on the cranking the minty example since it has the original Green Jensens. Did yours have those or another type of speaker? I feel like they used more than one type of Jensen throughout the years of production
It’s a sad story - I let the opening act borrow it at a gig years ago. I missed their set and went out to get a slice of pizza. When I came back, the doorman took me by the shoulder and told me,” hey man, something happened while you were out..”
The crowd went crazy, when Tommy took the stage
I think I saw one of your posts on a forum about this amp. Did you end up getting this sucker recapped? How'd it affect the sound? I've got one myself and am debating bringing it in to get some out of value caps replaced. Great demo!
Yup! Partially. I sent it off to Jeff Andrews at Andrews Amp Labs in Atlanta, GA. He replaced the electrolytics, and some of the noisy caps and resistors, but left the cap can as is (it would've been another $160). It's definitely less hissy, crackly, now!
Hello Eric. I'm thinking that you would be a great person to inquire about taming my '59 Bassman Combo? Would the Weber Mini Mass 100W do that job? Or do you know of any other way to tone down the volume for club gigs but still keep the break up point sound going on and that Bassman sound, ou know what I'm saying. That amp is a perfect part of my wet/dry set up. Not a lot of answers out there specific to this amp's 2 ohm output to those 3x10's?
Yeah I'd grab the Weber Mass 100 for that! It will change the sound a little bit, but it'll get ya there!
That was my first amp. Bought it in '66. Wish I had never sold it. Awesome amp.
+Don Peters Bummer! If it makes you feel better - there's still plenty of them floating around on eBay and Craigslist! Probably cost a little more than they did in '66, though!
Yes. I've seen them around here, but I have a Peavey Classic 50 (4x10) and a Tech 21 Trademark 60 now, so I'm covered.
Oh yeah, those both great amps! Way to think outside the Fender/vox/marshall box!
Hey Eric, I'm just delving into stereo guitar setups and am looking for something to pair with my Twin Reverb. I guess I'd like something that breaks up a tad to contrast with the super cleans of the Twin. Do you have any suggestions? I love the sound of your Siltertone, but alas there are none for sale in my area.
Fun question! Are you looking for something as loud as your twin but more midrange and crunchy?
A tweed bassman would be killer, or a marshall jtm45, or vox AC30 - those are all classics :-D
Rad, thanks for the suggestions! I've been eyeing an AC30 for a while :)
AC30 is way loud and way heavy lol, mind the twin reverb is even heavier lol
do you like or recommend this 1484 amp ? Does yours have any hissing noise at all , i'm looking at one now locally and it's got some hiss when it's idling. thanks I know you are a busy guy. Love your Videos, Peace
These amps are a rat's nest of wires inside - I had to send mine to Atlanta to get work done on it. Most techs don't want to deal with these!
Honestly, I love how these amps look but don't really think they sound like anything special.
@@EricHaugenGuitar Thank You, I love your honesty and appreciate your dedication to guitar tone and your lessons are the best on YT. Peace !
The Hound Dog Taylor amp of choice. I need a setup like that.
Do it!
I see these things pop up on ebay pretty often for around $700 - not to pricey for a point to point old amp :-D
I've seen video of Howlin' Wolf playing through one of these or at least a similar Silvertone head from the same 1480-something series.
I actually Love the reverb on the amp. To each their own I guess. 👍
Definitely an acquired taste! Can't accuse of not being interesting ;-)
Great all tube indulgence . Would you consider comparing that to the latest boss katana non-tube tube-like digital amp?
Ooh that's a good idea! I often wonder how much of tube magic is real, and how much is our perception.
I'm thinking about getting that minimass attenuator because my parents have been complaining about noise coming from my shed since I got this amp. Is their anything I should know about before getting the attenuator for my Silvertone?
Just make sure you get the ohm setting right. The 1484 sends a 4 ohm signal to the speakers, so you just set the minimass to that - there's a little toggle. When you get it, don't be afraid to wind the attenuation knob waaaay down! I notice it doesn't really start to absorb volume until it's really almost all the way attenuated. Volume is logarithmic, not linear, so that makes sense :-)
Eric Haugen thanks
You might have just sold me on that attenuator. I've had a 1484 for about a year and I love it but I play it through a 4-ohm 4x12 mostly. Anywhere above say 10-o-clock volume and it starts blowing my face off.
Do it!
Everybody should have one!
An additional bonus feature of the mini mass is that it reduces transformer hum as well! I've got a Hiwatt that hums like crazy, but when I hook up the mini mass - problem solved!
Stuff was so simple and quality back when it was made in the us. Even some of the early solid states that lasted sound great.
Yeah!
Those old solid state Kustoms and Voxes are really great amps!
There's a 100 watt tuck and roll at one of my local shops that I've got my eye on....
@@EricHaugenGuitar definitely get it, and hopefully cheap too. I never see those going for more than a couple of hundred.
@@EricHaugenGuitar Be on the lookout for Alamo Dart combos in both tube and ss. Amazing tone boxes. Not very popular, cheap 60's and 70's amps. Alamo. Dart is the model.
Oom bip bip oom bip bip ya!!
raw fucking power
+Wilson Herlong
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great combo. Envious.
Well I'm envious of your siiiiick username so I guess we're sorta even!
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5:45 wow how is yours so clean it looks brand new! I just picked one up and you can hardly read the screen print
Jonny buckland from coldplay used that amp for their album ghost stories. Pretty cool amp!
+Wade Wapass plus, that dude is a great guitar player! Very creative!
I have a 1483, how did you connect the attenuator without an effects loop?
It's easy!
plug the wire from the head into the attenuator, and then you need another SPEAKER wire to connect to the cab:
tedweber.com/media/instructions/attenuator-diagram-head-and-cab.pdf
@@EricHaugenGuitar my head is connected directly and does not have the female 1/4 inch jacks like newer amps have. I either need to have someone add a jack to the back of both the speaker and the head or just cut the wire and add male 1/4 inch to the ends of both of the wires. Do you think that will work? Something like this www.amazon.com/dp/B003UI9SPW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_cEFxFbJ4YNZJM
I do love these amps I owned one for a time in the late 90s however the reason I got rid of mine was I accidentally put the cab down a little too hard one day and noticed a minor crack forming at the bottom of the cab. Although these amps are amazing Tone monsters, and I bought it primarily for the Vintage cool factor and the original p12q Jensen's I realized that the cabinet would not survive my gigging life...particle board was not meant to survive the Millennia
Oh yeah for sure!
These cabs are the definition of entropy - my speakers are barely attached to the baffle board at this point!
Hey Eric
Soooooo I found a really clean 1484 with original Jensens that don't seem toooo abused
for a reasonable price...
considering the new 1484 pedal has arrived (I heard it on the RUclips but can't really tell if it's actually usable) these are getting hot on the market again...
Did the 1484s come with a footswitch?
The 1484 I had back in the late 90s did not...
i was gonna ask all kinds of annoying questions when i realized you got me covred .great vid i feel dumb i thought it was a magnatone...umm embarassed lol
but now i know all about silvertones famous 1484 , thanks
I wish I had a magnatone! I've never seen one in person or gotten to play one. They make reissues now, but they're like $2000!
well you win the 1484 sounds great and a deal. hey why do great amps sound even better when the price was right. lol, , u know?
Totally!
I've seen the Weber make more and more appearances in your videos of late. Are you still satisfied with the purchase? (Opinions on forums over attenuators tend to run hot-and my inclination is to disregard the shouting matches altogether.) I don't have huge wattage for an amp-a tweed Blues Junior III (with the Jensen speaker)-but, living in a small, 1940s apartment with plaster-and-lathe walls means that the difference between 1.8 and 2 on the Master Volume is the width of a gnat's hair between too quiet and upsetting the neighbours… The Universal Audio OX box has caught my attention too, but I'm aiming to make measured steps in the meantime and feel like the Weber is a good place to start.
That Weber Mini Mass is a great tool! I don't use it all the time, but when I do, I'm always pleased with it.
Those Blues Jrs are great amps but yeah, it's hard to dial in the right crunch.
For your situation, I'd actually advise that you investigate a nice transparent overdrive pedal first. Attenuators are great, but they can be a pain to setup - more wires to deal with, etc.
My favorite overdrives are the Strymon Deco ($299), and then the Paul Cochrane Timmy ($139).
The Timmy is highly reputed! I have a Wampler Tumnus for a sort of clean-OD boost and a Mythos Golden Fleece for something with a touch more hair. ( ruclips.net/video/446Ml-ptXzI/видео.html ) I'm still figuring out how to find the right low-volume balance at home-and I think that's the rub, maybe? I need to be able to drive the primary tubes a bit harder?
Those are both excellent pedals!
Perhaps it is indeed time to experiment with an attenuator to see it you can compress the amp itself a bit more. Luckily, the mini mass doesn't cost too much at all - the same as a decent overdrive :-)
Yeah-at that price it's likely a worthwhile experiment. I suppose I've spent greater money on far more frivolous endeavours over the years.
Eric Haugen Well, attenuator is still in the works, but while we’re on the topic of being frivolous: I went in to solve a power hum problem, replacing my MXR brick, and came out with a Strymon Zuma-along with a Flint and a Lex. Deco, next!
I had 2 silvertone amps. first ones I bought in the mid sixties.
Cool! I wish I had the 1483 - I love the smaller tube amps. Great for recording!
That sounds geeeeewd
Hey man do you know if they still sell these amps? And
How much
Oh yeah you can find them around - keep an eye on your local craigslist and ebay. In decent shape they go for around $750.
I always have to have reverb too, man! Dry guitar just...hurts.
I did it for a while, tried to be cool and old school - no pedals. Just guitar to cable to amp. It was convenient for gigs, but I missed having all the extra sonic possibilities that pedals provide :-)
Would you say these take pedals well? Are pedals even needed?
It does! Think of it as a kinda low-rent Fender Bassman.
Vintage tube tone is the best.
How your high stings ring out, in the exact tone I'm after
Not very high at all! I use Ernie Ball 11s and set the action pretty low.
Are you happy with your Weber MiniMass and, more importantly, could I use it with a 68 DR Reissue? Also you got that amp from a guy that worked with Starbuck? You should have Battlestar Galactica stuff stuck all over it. In fact, rename it the Silvertone Cylon!!!!!!
Ha! I keep up with Tony on Instagram - he created "Damnation," and now he's working on some kind of horror series - it's gonna be cool!
I love the minimass, but don't use it as much as my strymon deco - it's just more convenient for me to control crunch with a pedal :-)
How loud does this thing get?
It's around 20-30 watts, so pretty dang loud, depending on speaker choice. With the newer Jensen and Mesa Boogie speakers that are in the cab now, it easily rides above a rhythm guitar, bass, rock drummer situation.
i just got a 1484 yesterday. i noticed it has a ground switch and you have it to the right. what does that do?
At my house (which the wiring is old and ungrounded), it does nothing! I think if you find yourself in a buzzy room you can switch it and it *might* make the buzz go away. Electricity theory tests the limits of my intelligence :)
thank you sir. and actually i just tested it out for the first time and no sound is coming out and since its not a regular "plug in speaker cable to another speaker" type of deal im going to have to figure something out lol
but now i have it running. sounds amazing! not as loud as i thought it would be
Are both power tubes glowing? I had a problem with the power tube jack on my that had to be fixed. Should be pretty darn loud - are both speakers working?
yea. a couple of the small tubes were loose and i pushed them in and now its good. but yea ill check on the speakers, but i was expecting a little more loudness. its enough to get over drums though. i cranked it all the way. not much louder than my 20 watt micro terror through my hot rod deluxe. sound way better than that thing though
I learned a lot from using this amp when I was a kid. Mainly not to touch yer lips to the microphone before checking the ground switch.
You think these Silvertone amps are ever gonna get on the rare side? I've been contemplating on whether to start building my more preferred rig with a new amp or a new guitar first. I'm aiming for a Rick, so guitar wise it's gonna take me a while
Yeah, all those old silvertones are slowly falling apart - they weren't really made to last.. They're hard to work on and most techs won't even do it. I have to ship mine to Atlanta when i need it serviced!
Honestly, I'd recommend getting a newer handwired point-to-point amp - much less headache! And of course - get the Rick! Those guitars are so friggin' cool!
Eric Haugen In what ways are they falling apart? I'm sort of a mini apprentice to an amp tech at the moment, so an amp that wouldn't be a complete nightmare to work with wouldn't be a problem for me. I just dig that Sterling Morrison sound from old Silvertones, so if not the 1484, what would you recommend? Clean amps that get natural overdrive from being cranked are kind of my forte
The caps and resistors dry out and fail, and since it's not PTP it's just a rat's nest of wires in there :D Also, the cabs are made of low grade MDF, which doesn't hold up too well. I blew the original Jensens on mine a while back and the baffle is just crumbling where the speakers mount. Vintage!
How loud will you be playing? In general I love the Fender tweed circuits - simple and sound good clean or dirty! Plus you can make one just right for your needs - I have a tweed deluxe and a tweed pro and love them both!
Eric Haugen It needs to be a gigging amp that can get pretty loud. 20-40 watts should suffice. I love the Fender tweeds, but I'm really in search for a head. There's nothing more I hate more than a combo lacking volume/being a complete pain to transport. I may just build my own (to an extent), but suggestions are always welcome
What's an intenuator?
Atenuator
+Mr. MysteriousFezGuy A speaker attenuator is a delightful device that you place after the speaker output of your amp and before your speaker that absorbs some of the energy/volume. It's a way to put a master volume on an amp that doesn't have one. You can crank your amp up to where it starts to break up, and then engage the attenuator to bring the volume down so you don't blow your ears out.
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+Eric Haugen so basically it pushes the amp at lower volumes?
+Mr. MysteriousFezGuy Exactly! Very useful thing to have for studio work or playing at home!
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Love is so underrated - great band, waaaay ahead of their time!
Eric Haugen Love is a favorite of mine. Maybe you could do Johnny Echols killer solo on “your mind and we belong together”
whats that riff at 3:48?
Oh yeah!
"Ghost Riders in The Sky"
Would love to hear a Rhodes piano through it. A bit more midrange than a twin.
Challenge accepted! My buddy FJ has a Rhodes in his studio, me thinks I'll lug this over there and see what happens.....
@@EricHaugenGuitar Good for you man. There are some critical adjustments a Rhodes needs to itself to sound right so I don't know if it will be that way, but still it's a great amp. I should send you my custom pre amp for the stage Rhodes to really put the demo over the top. Your demo is top shelf.
Is that last piece you played, or did that last piece you played in this vid ever turn into a song? Most of the riffs in this demo should have been allowed to stay. I know you just came out with an album eric, but you’ve got twelve more just fallin out your shirt sleeves…
I see a 1484 going for about $1250, wonder what they were 6 yrs ago. That ghost sound with the volume off is insane.
Oh yeah that one made it onto my old band's record!
@@EricHaugenGuitar Damn I’d like to hear it, would you tip me off to the name of the band and that song, if you wouldn’t mind sir
Dano rated these at 60 watts when they sold them. They hit pretty hard for little amps.
Yeah! Plenty of headroom on this one!
How does the Attenuator system connect >?
+James McCutcheon It's easy! You plug it in between the head and the speaker cabinet and it absorbs the extra energy into a dummy speaker motor inside of it, then sends the rest on down the line to the actual speaker in the cabinet. It's a real ear-saver!
Thank you I have all of the 60s Silvertone Amp's the 1485 is my favorite then the 1484 but I use it Clean and put effects in front of it.
On my 1485 I just need to put male and female phone jacks ? or just male plugs in and out for the attenuator thanks a heap!
Exactly! You should be able to plug the 1/4 cable from the head into the input of the attenuator, and then run another 1/4 speaker cable from the 1/4 output of the attenuator to the 1/4 input of your speaker cabinet and then rock out!
@@EricHaugenGuitar Do you notice a discerning difference in tone when you're attenuating vs not?
@@hoiboi_official Absolutely yes! And that's not necessarily a bad thing - it's still the sound of the amp, but compressed and growly. Some folks complain about how it changes the EQ, but I just roll with it!
is this thr Jack White amp?
I'm not totally sure - he might have the big brother of this amp, the 1485. Pretty similar, tho
@@EricHaugenGuitar Those old 6x10 cabs looks ferocious. i want to build a 8x10 or 10x10 cab
Leave the amp as is... (maybe put another Jensen Mod in and have the Reverb looked at) mDF ? Who cares... dude I just heard classic 60s guitar tones that made say “Hot Damn!” .... killer vintage amp and cab!
Oh yeah it's a classic!
I actually ended up putting a WGS G12Q in the right speaker and it sounds even better now!
LOVE the 1484s but Mesa Boogie? Really? You have to put Jensen P12Qs in there! Also, these do break up right around 4-5 but not with low output single coils. You need humbuckers!
Yeah - I love my Mesa Boogie once I put an eminence GB128 in it. It's weirdly excellent and woody.
You're totally right about the 1484 needing humbuckers to drive it - maybe I'll borrow my buddy's Gibson and do another demo :-)
can you play some Velvet Underground for us through this pup?
Good idea! I'll take this thing through it's paces next time I shoot :-)
I kept waiting to hear it on overdrive I wanted to see what kind of sound it gets....but you didn't