Sonic Dream Team is Pretty Good - First Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Nicely done, Sega Hardlight. They did quite a good job putting this game together. I'd like to see them get some more resources and tackle a full-on console game after this. There is a solid foundation here. It just needs to be fleshed out. Probably not gonna happen because they are Sega's mobile developer. Which is a shame. This team has potential.
I had intended to do a let's play of my first playthrough of this. But the recording broke. So what you're seeing here is my second playthrough. Sorry about that.
Sorry the color is a bit washed out. I was playing in HDR, but to capture the game I had to convert it to SDR. And that never looks as good as actual SDR footage. The game looks much more vibrant normally, and even more so with HDR,
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Dream Team looks like a polished fangame, makes me think of something like Sonic GT. Unfortunately, it's also pretty obvious where corners had to be cut in the name of mobile development - the levels are just bland nothingness, the visuals don't really pop, the game is very short, etc. But this style of gameplay, combining Adventure-esque levels with a collectathon, sounds like a really fun idea, so I would love to see it developed with an actual budget.
The hell do you mean the visuals dont pop lol.
One thing that people neglect to mention when it comes to having a good, physics-based character controller in a Sonic game is that it makes the jobs of the level designers far easier.
If the level designers can rely on Sonic to react appropriately to the geometry of the level design, then they don't NEED to put dash panels, camera volumes and scripted running splines everywhere to make Sonic do what he needs to. A less robust character controller means that Sonic feels worse to control AND needs to be babysat by additional scripting to make sure he doesn't break.
I believe this to be the underlying issue with Sonic Team's approach to Sonic.
Yep
Makes sense
Pretty much nailed it 👍
Sounds about right
They were already kinda on to something with frontiers because sonic is able to go through loops without automation there
I am shocked that they didn't reference Sonic Shuffle seeing as the core idea of the story is basically the same.
I imagine they don't want to remind people Sonic Shuffle exists lol.
@@Pariah6950 Its not that bad lmao. You are talking as if it was on par with 2006.
Jesus.
@@Matias-zh3dpwhen you realize he likes 06:
@@lauraikokoyikes
As a game, honestly it should get a good game remake. The aesthetics and ideas of the game are cool. Also I know the game isn't really supposed to be a reference callback story like Frontiers. Still, I think it would've been cool to see Ariem acknowledge various scapes that Sonic or maybe even OTHER SEGA FRANCHISES THAT EXPLORE DREAMS HMMMM???? (NiGHTS into Dreams in case people don't know what I'm talkin about)
People calling it Adventure 3 were overhyping it a little... But it is overall fun. I like how fast you unlock Amy and can just switch to her instead of being sonic all the time.
As soon as I had the opportunity I was Amy for most of my play through. (It's kind of a boring game though)
Interesting, have you played Frontiers before? If so what do you think of that game
@@hazelbagels024 I appreciate Frontiers for the amount of free content it has and some of the story. It's a longer game so obviously it gets stale much quicker than Dream Team.
Too much time is spent on the bland open world and the cyberspace levels are just awful. I think Dream Team is a better experience by far. Which is embarrassing for something that is essentially a mobile game.
@@AizakkuAnalysisnot the final horizon cyberspace levels imo, those are better than dream team easily
@AizakkuAnalysis Thanks, I appreciate the reply.
To be fair, if we take interviews and kishimoto's Twitter answers into account, frontiers was basically the Adventure 3 demo
I think Dream Team is a great cozy little Sonic game, and is doing a ton of what I’ve been wanting from 3D Sonic for DECADES. And I’ll be perfectly frank, I enjoyed this quite a bit more than Frontiers. This is a traditional 3D Sonic experience done right in almost every way. Definitely most of its shortcomings come from the fact that it’s a mobile game, so it’s definitely really short and simplified in terms of the design and gameplay. I think these physics would benefit a lot from a spindash and more hills.
I think this is an EXTREMELY solid foundation, and I pray that SEGA Hardlight will be allowed to make another game off of the bones of this, but with a much higher budget and scope for consoles. I think it would be stellar. But as it is, this game is still really damn good.
I hope Hardlight becomes sort of the new Dimps for Sonic games. I guess the Superstars team could also. In general, I want these development teams to realize the potential they have. Sonic Dream Team to me is not as smooth to play as Sonic Frontiers imo, it does not have the ambitious story of course, but for a spinoff it generally introduced the fact to me again that not all Sonic games have to be the big push. We finally have spinoff games again that just do cool things with Sonic again.
I hope Hardlight sort of is allowed to get more acclimated to how Sonic is. Sonic Dream Team again is a good thing. However, they can do much better in the sound design. The character mechanics mainly in flying and climbing could be a bit more realized. And they really need to work on a console game so that the gameplay feels a bit more controllable. But again, for a free Apple Arcade game, yeah they did A LOT.
Sonic Dream Team ain't a spinoff, it's a platformer, it seems pretty canon storywise as well
@@undeadbook Eh I guess it's like I consider Sonic Advance and Rush games spinoffs. I think I'm trying to say a category of sonic games that are not fully console budget.
@@heroicgangster9981 Oh, I understand. That's reasonable.
Where did dimps go after lost world 3ds?
@@elibonham4388 They stopped with Sonic, but still develop minor games for other franchises like Dragon Ball The Breakers
I appreciate your honesty and transparency about everything regarding this game, every other positive review I've seen feels like the exaggerated version of what happened with frontiers at launch calling it "One of the best sonic games ever" or "Sonic adventure 3" and I feel like that's a bad way to get into this one, the lack of any real challenge and the downright uselessness of rings due to that factor as well as the lack of lives brings it down a lot for me
But with that said, I HAVE to give a huge round of applause for Sega hardlight, the first time they worked on something this major and for the limitations of mobile they had to work with they knocked it out of the park, you can legit feel how the game tries its best to deliver spectacle and high speed smooth sonic gameplay despite those limitations, as evident by the fact the mobile version is ironically the worst way to play lol
I do hope this makes Sega more willing to give them the time and budget to work on bigger titles and iron out the issues/weaknesses you mentioned, cause I believe we can have something truly special with that
15:40 I feel like a bit of an insane sonic fan that I can pretty much say "yes I played"" to all those games you listed, though they're fun games so maybe I should replay them anyways.
Yknow what? You're right! Instead of being sad I can't play it why not just try something else that can be better than this?
Downloading Sonic Lost World!
Not that one! Don't... What have I done?
@@Eriko.Christy I actually love the 3ds version, it has one of the best uses of wisps in any sonic game and the extra/harder levels are great!
Sure the special stages are a pain to do, and bosses are pretty meh but.. as Pariah says, it's nothing new xD
(but wii u/pc version is 50% boring, 50% pain)
Lost World is better than Dream Team
I dont think cream has even had a good english voice lmao
Fair point lol.
i never thought her voice in Generations was that bad, i would've preferred that direction instead of what we got in Dream Team...
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL it wasnt terrible but i wouldnt call it good either
I have no real interest in this game itself, but I do really hope Sonic Team takes a good look at this and think, "This is what we should be doing" and then proceed to actually do something like this for the next main Sonic game instead of hiring This Man again and shoehorning in random charcter action stuff.
I loved physycs and controls
Graphics are good 👍
Game is very easy
It's linear. Depending on who you ask, thats either good or bad. For me, its good I don't need open worlds
In the end, the important thing is, is it fun? Yes its absolutely fun 😊 & i loved it
Pariah have you heard Sonic Frontiers has an patch to update 3 Final Horizon. Sega fixed some of the issue that people had with the dlc. The patch buffed Sonic's Perfect parry, Knuckles can turn easier when he glides, and nerfed some of the mini bosses, so Sonic's friends can do more damage to them.
Honestly this game just feeds into my confirmation bias that the main reason why the vast majority of Sonic games in the past decade have been bad is mostly pure incompetence
This is a hot take: but I feel like this is the game that should have came after Generations, it feels like an evolution to the boost gameplay twn folds with barley scriped events, and allowing free roam 3D controls along side the boost. Instead of trying new things with Lost World and degrading the boost with Forces this should have been the template after Generations instead of copying Mario Galaxy
Agreed
Glad I got your review. Would love if this team developed a console game on a higher budget. I feel they'd make the best sonic game, gameplay-wise. I don't ever see Sonic stories getting good again unless they get the Japanese writers back. western writers all suck so far.
I thought sonic frontiers story was good
Agreed
I keep calling it Sonic Dream Collection
An yes. Sonic Dream Collection is my favorite 3D platformer this series has produced.
Is this considered a boost game?
It has the boost, doesn’t it?
Hey Pariah, I just wanna say I love your videos and your opinions on all the Sonic lore and game design as a whole. You’re very technical and go in depth about even the smallest details, it makes all of your videos very entertaining and replayable. Hope you continue to entertain and grow your audience, you deserve it
It's good to hear the game is pretty good. I figured it wouldn't be a "must have" to where it's worth getting an Apple device for. But it still sucks that this is the time Sega decided to make a game like this. Instead of having it on platforms people actually want this kind of game on.
Dream Team does the stupid thing where Knuckles can only climb on designated climbing walls and not all walls. i know, game balance, but like. come on
One of the most 3D Sonic games in a while being trapped on mobile devices is a mean move :(
Hear's hoping good things come out of this
After a certain point, excuses can't be made for Sonic Team. I think it's time to acknowledge that the reason Sonic Team can't cut it isn't from a lack of time, budget, or manpower. I think they simply don't have the talent to make good stuff.
And when they do get talent, they have a hard time keeping them.
All of those things can be true at the same time though
This looks cool but not worth melting my phone over
Same. Sad to see it locked to Apple devices.
Not sure if you've already done this; but it'd be cool to hear your opinions on the different sonic series voice actors. Especially characters like Rouge and Charmy who are very different between actors. Also it'd be interesting to get a comparison with their Japanese voices as well.
Like I thought, the story is pretty forgettable and can't stand Flynn¡s characterization...So watching your video I see I did good for no playing it. It's wild that even Superstars has a theme and message even it its simple narrative but its astonishing how many western devs still miss this point about sonic stories...
Something interesting that happened to me while playing is that I cranked up the graphic options all the way up and that’s how I got the game to run buttery smooth on my Apple TV. Something’s up with the graphics settings options.
I think it would of been cool if we got to see more of Eggmans mind through his dreams
I really liked how frontiers egg memos gave us more background & characterisation for Eggman
Maybe having something similar here would be nice I would like to see more about his background & what he thinks of his current family of Sage Metal sonic & Orbot & Cubot
you guys know that weird thing the VA for cream is doing ?
thats what anime VAs are doing aswell....
Super Sonic 3D World
Just based on appearances, I feel like the game has the vibe of a wii version of another game. Sort of like Unwiished (which I like a lot)
Bro did NOT talked about rouge awful voice, why they give her that girly voice instead of her kinda teasing sexy voice shit
Both of those are terrible.
Prime is her best English voice
@@technicallyinept2120 i mean, i'm french so she Always had the same french voice since Sonic X i Guess
It's not written by Ian Flynn?
i don't think so
According to the wiki, it is. Which is pretty clear of how he writes the characters.
@@themissingbits6375 I'm surprised it wasn't filled with stupid references
He's in the credits, not sure if he's the only writer though
he did a second pass on the script but didn’t come up with the plot or anything
Glad we got a fun game to play. I'm hoping the Sonic fans who jump into Apple Arcade for this try out some other titles on the platform
I'm ok with the simple story of this game. I like to imagine that Sonic games are all part of one long TV show, with these smaller games like Colors and Lost World being episodes for said show, and games like Unleashed and Frontiers are the movies. After the crazy and sad shit that happened on Starfall Islands, it is nice to have a straightforward cherry plot like Dream Team.
While the story itself doesn't have anything to say, I think the purpose of it was just to reintroduce Cream and Rouge to the games, very much like Frontiers was meant to reintroduce Tails, Knux and Amy. Sega has been pushing the whole power of friendship recently in marketing campaign, so I think that's the purpose of this story.
Also, apparently this story was entirely written by American staff, Ian Flynn and another writer. And the new character Ariem. I hope to see the IDW characters getting their own game one day.
I like how you mentioned a bunch of games that just can’t be played on modern hardware to remedy not being able to play this game, and yeah I know emulation but the typical person who’s upset about that sorta thing jsnt usually the the most computer savvy, maybe they can figure out gba emulation idk.
I really curious to know what good boss battle to you is. I know everyone taste in games is different but you make it seem like there NO good bosses fights in sonic at all. I’m just curious just what your opinion is. Great Video btw!!
Sonic generations and sonic adventure 2 and sonic rush adventure have the best bosses in the series he says
@@elibonham4388 Oh I see. Thanks for telling me. Because I see a lot of his videos but never seen him talk the boss fights he thinks is good.
@@jaredjackson9734 would you agree with what he says?
@@elibonham4388 I Agree with the list, I would add frontiers and unleashed tho. But for the series as a whole some bosses are underwhelming like the time-eater and The End. But there are more good bosses in series than bad imo
@@jaredjackson9734 oh yea i forgot he did say the bosses in unleashed were among his favourites as far as i know he has nothing nice to say about the frontiers bosses which i think are amazing
5:40
i think it's more done for different play styles
you could just go to the end, you could beat the game 100% (and i apreciate games that try to give the 100% route a good amount of variation)
it's not neccesairly sacrificing being a "good game", it just offers fun for multiple play styles
Yeah, its about what I expected. I doubt i'll replay this as much as Frontiers for example. But i'll give props for HardLight for making an actual Sonic game rather than a typical one for mobile.
In fact, if anything I would say, Dream Team's biggest flaw is its held back for being a mobile game.
Heck, if anything, another gripe I have is that it.........lacks a bit of the staples for 3D Sonic, namely a ranking system for example.
Not only that, as a mobile game, it doesn't come close to my personal standard of Dragalia Lost.
I sunk 4 years worth of time investment instead of just...............a few hours that seem a bit wasted for an Apple Arcade exclusive.
Now that i think about it, wouldn't a ranking system for this game makes sense. It would squeeze another hour out of the film
Hi Pariah
Watching this again makes it feel like Mario Galaxy
So imagine if they focused on level quality and replaced the plastic kiddish vibe with a more epic, adventurous one...
11:40 ok, but I would actually play that
Wasn't it wasted potential?No but It could at least do some things better
Well, at least it tried.
@@spritvio639Sonic 06 reference! 😱😱😱😱😱
2:50 FYI this also works in Frontiers!
This is what sonic generations and sonic lost world should have been on the 3DS
Pariah, nooooo! Not to the dark side!
Well, at least I have a way to watch gameplay now. Hope this was worth the subscription...
YOU BOUGHT A TV FOR SONIC?
No?
I do wish this game came with a ranking system tho since its a mobile game i hope that’s something they add later on
The main levels could use that, but there is a ranking system for the Tails’ Challenges (I know, not what you meant, but it’s there).
@@Aktzin wait I didn’t know that i’ll check it out
@@lordpeeps1 I guess I should clarify ranking by saying they’re Apple Arcade leaderboards
There's rankings now
Yeah. Looks nice.
Too bad it needs a subscription.
15:32 Actually, Sonic Unleashed for the Wii is the ONLY 3D Sonic game I've played so far lol, found it in the back of my Uncle's old game stash about a year ago. Just beat it for the first time a couple weeks ago and am pretty close to 100% completion. Quite a good game though, very much enjoyed it and wish there were more games following its formula. I even actually enjoyed the Nighttime stages, even if it did feel like "Mario at home" most of the time.
I did get Sonic Colors for the Wii (not getting Ultimate lol) a few months ago and got Sonic Frontiers last Christmas, but I haven't played either of them yet, they're both still factory-sealed, so those will probably be next.
Thats interesting that youve only played one 3d sonic let me know how those games turnout for you id be interested to know what ur opinion is
@@elibonham4388 Will do! Yeah, I've always been a Mario guy myself, that's what all my games have been pretty much other than the Wii series games, Minecraft, some indies like the BIT.TRIP series, and more recently Splatoon though that's kinda Mario-adjacent. My first Sonic game I actually played was Sonic Mania (okay technically it was a demo of Mario and Sonic at the 2014 Olympics on a demo Wii U at Target but that doesn't count lol, only played as Mario in that anyway) followed by Sonic 1 so I'm a relative newcomer.
I've seen plenty of videos of Sonic games the past few years though, and have tried several 2D games (including actually Sonic 4 Ep. 1 on WiiWare and hot take I actually liked it a fair bit, as a game at least because yeah it IS bland thematically). But I've never had a chance for any of the 3D titles, and Sonic Unleashed was the first real copy of one I had direct access to and came across in-person, so I borrowed it from my Uncle and popped it in my Wii which I still regularly use.
anyone else reloaded the video to see if it was just the video rendering brightness weird?
Yo shout out to Sonic Dream Team for having the most irritating in-game voice clips in the entire franchise.
Heroes and BOOM RoL were repetitive as hell but they at least had good voice direction- here Tails makes weird grunting noises when just doing normal platforming stuff and Rouge loudly orgasms when she gets a Red Ring or a Dream Orb Shard
Also Ego City bringing back the Eggman PA announcements from Colors and having NONE of them be funny is a perfect example of why Ian Flynn needs someone else working with him on dialogue, he's decent but dude does NOT do well with an upbeat chill funny tone. They should bring back Shiro Maekawa and have him work WITH Flynn for the story and dialogue so it's natural sounding to the English audience but the story and characterization is on-point
The ONE thing they did wrong was putting it on Apple Arcade.
Apple funded it so
I can't cope with how Blaze isn't in it. She's supposed to be one of Cream's best friends and they're always leaving her out of stories with her. First they leave Cream out of Team Sonic Racing and the VN now they leave Blaze out of this.
I'd like to say that Crash Bandicoot is weirdly enough one of the most down to earth platformers ever so they wouldn't do the dream world plot, but I fail to remember that games like Twinsanity and It's About Time exist that just fuck the world building so badly that going to the dream world wouldn't be that out of place sadly. Man, I miss classic Crash Bandicoot.
ngl I really don't like the inherent structure basically bein a worse Mario 64 wit LW 3DS. It strays pretty far from how sonic usually is & leads to a more tiresome/repetitive loop that eats time unnecessarily. The "boy/girl" thing wit the playable characters is dumb, this is the 3rd time a sonic property has sonic save his friends from digital ghost things in the past year, & while I have many other complaints (like stuff wit the cutscene animations) the most important thing is that despite the assured comments by the team this game doesn't seem to suit speedruns.
something tells you were super let down by frontires. i wasnt personaly.
oh you should watch his video on the game... he does not hold back even a single bit
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL i could probably tell.
As someone who has zero interest in subscribing to Apple arcade, I must admit that this game looks fun and the animations look polished: and I will happily take these boss battles over the crap we got in Superstars
15:33 My brither in Christ, I played Sonic Unleashed... For Java phones
Why does Cream have to be the damsel in distress again?! That trope is boring and overdone.
I would give you a different argument now days, with how big the mobile game market has become, *WE CANNOT KEEP TOLERATING BASIC LEVEL DESIGN BEYOND THE BEGINNING PARTS.* If we keep letting it get a pass because it's a mobile game, then we are doing a disservice to all of the handheld console market, because while the Switch has a portable mode, it's still a home console, it isn't a handheld, *the handheld consoles market has died in the modern era and it has been replace with the Mobile Market, and it has grown quite a bit now days, that if we keep giving it slack, it will stay like it's.*
They have to make it compatible with Touchscreen Controls so I assume that’s why they went with more Basic Level Design all throughout.
@@Terminal_Apotos I would i agree with this, if it wasn't by now more then 10 years with this change in the industry and them having now a lot of experience where they should have fixed this kind of issue, and if this issues weren't fix in this time, it's exactly because we have let it stagnated, and we can't do that anymore, they had plenty of time to find solutions for this problems. And more in general.
@@ultimateshadeofwar Aside from External Controller that not everyone has, Touchscreen Controls will always have to be a Balance between Buttons and Screen Real estate. Can’t have 20 Buttons covering the game.
@@Terminal_Apotos Agree, but having in mind is a screen, why do you need none existant buttons, be more creative, you have the fingers. I don't know how to properly use them, but you can probably come up with proper solutions and counterbalance to avoid unintented actions to happen.
Again there has been more then a decate of this market being into existance, if they haven't found a solution, alternative, etc. Then either they should avoid products (games genres) that they can't produce of higher quality, or just get out of their asses and begin finding solutions to improve them.
We have give them a decate to improve, if we don't raise the standards, it will stay this way forever, you want in a hypothetical future where all the PC's are portable the size of your phone to not be able to play challenging platformers because of this?
@@ultimateshadeofwar You should come up with a Way to Fix this issue. I’m sure you could do it.
Nice i was waiting for this vid. Let me be delusional and wish for a switch port
will you be trying out the other apple arcade games? i can give you some reccomendations if you want!
My question is, was the purchase of an apple television worth it? As it seems that he is lukewarm on the title.
“Apple television” lol. Apple TV is just a thing you plug into your TV to turn it into a smart TV, like Chromecast
I got to try it through my Brother's Apple Arcade on his Mac, and honestly, what I end up thinking through the gameplay, animations, and such....
Sonic Team definitely could learn from this game. I don't think this team should replace Sonic Team, but I would want to see Sonic Team paying attention and sewing what worked here to apply it to Sonic.
Admittedly I'd want Sonic Team to have a better development circumstance so they could reach those highs again, but I also want to just see that Sonic Team pays attention to proper criticisms to make Sonic the best they can make him to be.
So this is just Super Sonic 3D World
I never played Sonic Dream Team, because I don't have an apple phone, but the character switching system is really good. That's how you can play as Sonic or other characters. If you don't want to play as Sonic, you play the other characters. If you don't want to play the other characters, then play as Sonic. This really functions like Genshin Impact or Honkai Star Rail. This is the concept I want for the next Sonic game.
Please don’t compare this good game to Genshin.
wake up baby, the pariah dream team content farm has begun
Btw, Cream's new voice is new to this game I believe.
Why is it when there is a major Sonic game made for major platforms like PS5 and Nintendo Switch ends up having a lot of issues in terms of game design while more humble, less appreciated Sonic titles (like the Advance Trilogy and Rush Douloggy) that were stuck on less powerful platforms (like GBA) ends up being very good and darn near spotless (or more polished) in terms of problems in game design!?
Is Sonic Team too ambitious for their own good? Does Sonic Team have talent and passion anymore!?
I wouldn't say Sonic Dream Team is that great game, certainly doesn't beat Sonic GT fangame but it is pretty well designed.
@@miadatenshi9903 First of all, I said near spotless, not completely spotless. There may be major problems I am not aware of that may or may not be a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Second of all, ok maybe spotless is a poor choice of words on my part. The right words would be that the Advance and Rush have more polished gameplay compared to 3D Sonic in the Adventure era. (Pre-Unleashed) And at least it is some kind of return to the classic era of Sonic games in Advance and Rush. Even if they are not as good as the classic Sonic games.
The reason those games appear to have fewer problems is because they’re not as scrutinized as the major console releases. Simply put, when a lot of people are passionate about something, they’ll uncover every problem with it to a much more thorough degree.
@@halkon4412 If you say so then either Sonic Team have lost their passion or they are constantly being screwed over by SEGA. Or both.
Looks fun!
I forgot to sub
8:45, is it Ego City or Egocity?
Yep, pretty good so far!
of course you discredit sonic team
HE MUST
Kind of a Problem when a Mobile Game is superior to the Mainline Console releases in Various aspects such as Animation and Level Design.
How can he not with their track record?
@@miadatenshi9903 Modern Sonic Team didn’t make those games.
@@miadatenshi9903 Exactly, they didn’t Make Unleashed and Generations. I did enjoy the Final Horizon Level Design but we can’t ignore how Basic and Automated the Base Game was.
Honestly, I feel like a rare outlier when it comes to Sonic's 3D direction. The linear "classic" gameplay in a 3D context is searingly boring, formulaic, and uninspired. The fact that Frontiers is considered open-world is a bit fucked to me. For literal EVER, I have always wanted a TRUE open-world Sonic game, got the opportunity to play Frontiers w a friend, AND IT STILL FEELS LIKE YOU'RE ON RAILS. Give us Sonic GTA please for the love of fucking CHRIST