The Indie Icon That Lost It All
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
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Meat Boy, my beloved...
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00:00 - Intro
3:18 - The golden age (Super Meat boy and flash Meat Boy)
14:06 - Meat Boy's impact
15:57 - Meat Boy's crappy sequel
23:36 - Shimmers of light
25:43 - It's not enough...
27:33 - Meat Boy Puyo Puyo clone???????????
31:03 - Conflicted feelings
34:25 - Meat Boy's sequels success and current legacy
36:19 - Final word 
Игры
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Sorry bro but I’m not downloading malicious spyware.
now beat it as tofu
You’re evil
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You can’t unless someone found a way to complete some more levels as him
@@MrStealYoKill-xh9irwith some glitches you can get a fair amount of levels if i remember correctly.
@@plantplayer303The record is 2 and a half, can you beat it?
It’s kind of sad how Edmund doesn’t even have the rights to the massive indie icon that he created
Well, he did leave the ip to Tommy himself, nobody took it from him
@@mr.sentryanddispenserat most that is a mistake and Edmund did go on to make another very good platformer called " The end is nigh "
But he is the one that abandoned meatboy.
@@nicholasaugello2534 What's a play former?
@@alessioferrante3361 you saw nothing
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he was on Foekoe Gaming but wow he really was gone for a long time on here
A [april] MIRACLE!!
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The End Is Nigh is the only meat boy sequel in my mind
It’s even better than meatboy tbh imo
@@mikhail6920it's a sequel after all, an upgraded version of SMB, so it propably should be better than SMB. And it's actually made by Edmund.
@@plantplayer303 it’s more like a spiritual successor, ash moves way more differently compared to meatboy. I love both games tho for different reasons however the end is nigh probably one of the best platformers ever made tbh.
@@mikhail6920 I do wish we had multiple characters for TEiN referencing Edmunds other games as a reward by collecting the cartridges (like Spewer, Gish etc) but i love the game anyways so I’m not too worried about it.
Ngl i had nastalga for forever via watching the gameplay and cutscenes @@mikhail6920
The squirrel is literally just a short gag in the first game that gets reused and made into a whole damn subplot in Forever for absolutely no reason.
It's basically them saying "hey guys hey look remember this funny moment? Nostalgia, wow so cool right"
It's sad and pathetic.
And btw they do the same thing over and over again throughout the game.
They bring back the Poop (meat boy) guy.
And Dr foetus throws the middle finger twice as much. They killed his running gag.
@@DethHead28 Call backs dont equal soulless nostalgia bait though? It sounds like you were preconditioned to hate this game going in so everything it did pissed you off
@@CultofHappwer no not me but the game is objectively bad because it was preconditioned to suck bawls. Call backs are cool just don't turn them into a subplot yn.
Like Skrat from Ice Age.
Don't forget the Metal Gear references because reasons
13:53 "going for Girl Boy and Impossible Boy changes a man"
line goes so hard
That line will get me anywhere on underground rap
as a femboy myself that line is relatable
@@bobebobo2643 so true bestie
that one dude playing forever is singlehandedly keeping the community alive
lol
lmao
I mean, at least he got balls to do so. Gotta give him props to that.
Super meat boy is like that one ex that you glance at one every year and then you see them working at a sweatshop.
And Isaac is like her VERY RICH brother while Gish and Ash are the siblings that where locked up in the basement for 20 years since childhood like that one simpsons episode…
I guess Fingered and Tri-achnid is chilling
You guys lead some crazy lifes
and then the c word game (im just gonna say blue baby/ ???) is that one cousin that tries "borrowing" some money
I'm honestly surprised you didn't mention The End is Nigh at all. It's the true spiritual successor to Super Meat Boy by Edmund McMillen himself and came out in 2017. Ed himself thinks it's criminally overlooked and one of his best games.
I played that one when it came out, and its really what got me into precision platformers in the first place!
planning to buy it personally
Ed: "Makes a randomly generated game."
Tommy: "Makes a randomly generated Super Meat Boy sequel."
Ed: "Has Ridiculon as the main composer of same game"
Tommy: "Has Ridiculon as the main composer of the sequel"
Ed: "Makes a spin-off that experiments with a different genre."
Tommy: "Makes a spin-off that experiments with a different genre."
Something tells me Tommy has not taken Ed's departure super well.
Balbool
Ridiculon have worked on Meat Boy before. They did the music for the 2015 soundtrack. Plus, making a spinoff in a different genre happens, like, all the time?
I've got a feeling that they came up with the title for Dr Fetus's Mean Meat Machine and they made it under the pretense that "we wanna make a game with this title cause it's a funny reference" and nothing more
“Oh wow, remember Dr Robotnik’s mean bean machine? Remember that? We made our own version and we referenced it in the title! What a funny reference! We’re totally not desperate or anything!”
-schaffrilas, probably.
@@Cubeytheawesome HOW. DO. YOU. DO. FELLOW. 90's. GAMERS.
-schaffrilas, probably.
33:38 one fun fact about Mewgenics is, that it originally started as a Team Meat project and may even have been responsible for Forever taking so long. McMillen eventually secured the rights in 2018 and continued development with Tyler Glaiel with whom he had previously worked on The End is Nigh.
The original Super Meat Boy should genuinely be considered an absolute classic by now. I played it sooooo much on a crappy laptop with no controller as a kid, and I still get its music stuck in my head from time to time. I hope the series makes a _real_ comeback someday, because it deserves a spot on the pantheon of platformers.
0:35 There I am Gary, there I am!
as someone who loved super meat boy and bought forever on launch day...im re-experiencing the heartbreak all over again.
meat boy cant even have a legacy in tboi four souls anymore, because team meat refused to lend edmund the ip...it makes me sad
I feel you man…
well thats not true actually, during requium some one asked if he could do meat boy, to which he said something along the lines of "no I cannot" than the meat boy twitter responded with "hey we would love to to a cross over :D" or something... it was really awkward to see ngl
@@KirbySmasher48 huh, i dont remember this interaction. i couldve swore he reached out due to fan demand but nothing came of it. my guess is the meat boy social media manager was expressing excitement at the idea but tommy wasnt down?
You should try The End Is Nigh. It's not a sequel but it was made by the same dude and while its certainly a different vibe, its certainly more faithful than Super Meatboy Forever
@@Whispitt oh i love the end is nigh. great game that doesnt get enough love
There's a reason "100% the game!" Is a different achievement than the boy achievements.
Remember, The End is Night is the true secuel to super meat boy
Its a real shame for super meatboy forever, if only they kept they the original mechanic from the first game and make you run around and kept the punching and sliding mechanic and the level design was like the original game, maybe it could have been at least decent
but the auto runner gameplay isn't even really that bad, I've played all of the first world and some dark levels and it's pretty fun
it just loses everything with the automatic level generation that takes away everything good
Honestly, considering that it's an auto runner, shouldn't there be moves where u can get to manipulate on where you will go and being able to stop and slow down? Maybe if moves like those exist in that Forever game besides "A" and down button, the game would probably be liked more like super meat boy.
The lesson: don't add forever to your videogame sequel name
Duke Nuken, we're looking at you.
No, Batman Forever@@HeJustNoobs
an actual sequel with the forever artstyle and hand-made levels would go hard, but oh well, good video!
only took mr foekoe 20 years
Super Meat Boy is a timeless masterpiece and it never gets old. I find myself replaying it when I’m outa games to play
I like to play the flash version when I'm bored :)
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fun fact: before steve got his name he was called mr. minecraft they later on called him steve because of his appearance in smb!
That sounds really cool but i feel like i need a source to belive this lol
what is smb
@@poofal1283super meat boy
@@ffffff6104 I cannot believe how dumb my question is
@@poofal1283 super meat boy
For some time i thought that super meatboy forever was a remake of super meatboy. Then i found out that it was an autorunner sequel.
I remember thinking the same thing, interestingly.
Super meat boy is great! I’m so glad that it was a single game and didn’t have any sequels!
Who's going to tell him?
It did have a sequel! it's called "the end is nigh"
Honestly, if you want a good sequel for Super Meat Boy just play The End Is Nigh (also created by Edmund)
Honestly, I think Mean Meat Machine was made because someone thought of the title and then based the game around it which tied it to Puyo Puyo and to try and make it unique they threw in obstacles.
Super Meat Boy, VVVVVV and Shovel Knight the grandfather of 2D Platformer Indie video games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I miss VVVVVV. I remember when it was still just a small flash game proof of concept on Kongregate.
Cave Story too.
@@Allen-jj7vv That's like the great-great-great grandfather of indie games. I love Cave Story but jesus is it hard.
Super meat boy forever is a spinoff and I'm tired of pretending that it's not
Nah. at least story wise it's more then enough though yeah it could've been better.
People need to stop shitting on the current team because "THEY STOLE MEAT BOY FROM EDMUND!!!!" Edmund chose to leave knowing he'd lose the rights to Meat Boy, this is not a Skullgirls situation. If you truly care about Edmund, you shouldn't be using him as an excuse to harass people that did nothing wrong other than making games you dislike.
additional note: while meat boy forever was indeed in a timed exclusive deal with epic games, it still released on switch at the same day as it did on epic, likely because it was featured in an indie world direct. playstation, xbox, and especially steam still had to wait an entire year
love the thought process behind the sequels and spinoffs
"but what if he could PUNCH?? also no controls lmfao"
Super Meat Boy is still one of my favorite 2D platforms ever.
It’s truly sad it never got the sequel it deserved.
Even though my controller and my nerves will hate if it’s similar, but in the end it would be worth it.
My favorite part still is the music. Especially themes like Battle of Lil Slugger, Salt Factory or C.H.A.Ds Lullaby.
Man I only heard about the sequel once and didn’t ever hear about it ever again
It’s just crazy how this game was once a phenomenon then dissipated
I remember playing the demo at pax 2014 I was so excited and when Tommy handed me that IPad,then I was so disappointed, but he was right next to be watching me play so I just said I loved it. That’s a core memory for 14 year old me.
The funniest part of when you were comparing Puyo Puyo to Tetris was the fact that you were playing Puyo Puyo in PuyoPuyo Tetris, a game that comes with Tetris, but you use Tetris footage from a flash game
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20:03 In the sequels defense: this game is about timing your moves thats why there was a wall near the spinning saws.
hurts my soul to see "Outer wilds" in the list of backlog games, you should definitely platy it. Also love the vid :)
30:15 Showing 100% achievement in that game not instantly uninstalled after it unlike Pizza Tower showing 100% achievement with BLUE Install button is very beyond absord for me.
I remember seeing this game called “Bird Tapper” that’s basically a good version of SMB Forever. Kinda cool.
I still have no clue why they invested nearly 10 years into SMBF’s development. The premise of a Meat Boy mobile auto-runner spin-off was reasonable in 2013, but to grind that concept out into the mainline sequel is bizarre. I have a bad feeling Meat Boy’s future is going to look like a bunch of spin-offs under the guise of continuity.
It’s like megamind vs the doom syndicate.
Unessecary sequel that we wanted, but quickly regretted once we got it, and they hyped it up because they all thought that’s what we wanted.
I’m so glad you’ve given more love to Forever’s art style! I have the development art book for the game and it is incredibly fun to flick through
The original Super Meat Boy is legitimately one of my favorite games of all time for its precise controls, its great level design and that INCREDIBLE soundtrack. Forever has NONE of those things, it's Meat Boy in name only. It's a shame that, with Edmund and Danny B gone, we'll probably never get a real Meat Boy sequel.
I really like your editing, it's packed to brim yet not overedited. You're one of my most favourite fast-paced channels to watch
NO, That is NOT Solid Snake! (scene is 24:48-24:29)
6:43 whats the joke here? Uterus? Or is it a reference to something im unaware of
Leaving a comment so I’m notified what the joke is
Forkoe's Schedule is so strange
The End is Nigh is really the true perfect spiritual sequel to Super Meat Boy. SMBF was a huge letdown, but honestly, TEIN is my favorite platformer *ever*, even over the original SMB- It’s criminally underrated and I hope it gets more attention in the future.
21:23 Im glad you mentioned the difficulty because the deathless achievements in Forever are just not fun. The last worlds especially are clunky and confusing lol. SMB deathless is much more rewarding of skill and determination
Now do Iron God in The End is Nigh :D
9:00 "You can't count that on two hands."
Guess I'll need to find more hands.
Thank you for using the Antibirth soundtrack. Such a gem of a soundtrack that it's a shame it isn't available in Isaac without mods.
danny b better
even ridiculon better
@@Skokapus danny b is great, so are the other sound tracks. But pop off and stan which one you prefer I guess? lol
Funniest thing is that Forever took like FOUR YEARS after its initial release before it was even available on mobile. The device it was originally designed for.
I forgot this guy exist
Yeah he's kinda mid
Which one are you talking about?
@@Thecatontheinternet749 I see
@@qua_xor3348i am just mad that he kept calling the prototype junk,like,this was a free game that came 15+ ago,what did he expect?
@@jakethedog1483nah he is talking about fokoe.
Meat boy still has potential to be popular again grahhhhh!!!!!
Hopefully they lock in gameplay wise in a next one
cause forever did the warp zones and animations perfectly!!!!
3:25 "He isn't a sentient meat cube. He is literally just a skinless boy" 🤓
you can tell Foekoe loves piku niku as a fan or the game I can recognise whenever it is played
Will you %100 achivement Rain world? I got curious and checked your Stream profile only to realize Rain world's achivements is missing
Is it grindy or somethin? I am not a achivement grinder so I have no idea how difficult/tedious that is
Hey atleast we got the end is nigh imo that game is even better than the og meatboy
6:43 Yes you do need to explain, what hell is this
I forgot you existed
what if super meat boy was called super freaky boy, and instead of doing platforming gameplay it was replaced with getting freaky ‼‼
I've been watching your videos since 2019, I've always wanted to see you make a video on super meat boy
and finally, after nearly 5 years, you finally made a video on Super Meat Boy
thank you, Foekoe
It would be honestly sick if we could see Meat Boy in 3D
Getting it to control right would be hard but if it did work out it would be really cool
watch them make a 3d autorunner
@@sixty5notch796I mean just a direct sequel to the original game with the same idea except using 3d models would look cool maybe if it’s 3d models made to look 2d
@@Speedoodleman so Super Meat Boy Wonder?
So.... basically Sonic 4?
Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine is such an obscure reference to make, no one under the age of 25 is even gunna get that and that's only cause they released it as part of a Sonic collection for the PS2, otherwise that age jumps up to to 35-40. They shoulda just ripped off Candy Crush instead tbh.
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SUPER MEAT BOY🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
What if Super Meat Boy was called Super Freak Boy.
what? why?
i know alot of people have said this but you should really try his spiritual successor the end is nigh, its clear that you have heard of it but IMO its probably one of the best designed platformers I've ever played, admitidelty there are no alternate characters like SMB but its still really fun, the music is amazing and as simple as the story its interesting too see and try and figure out what it means... although most of the community for The end is nigh already knows...
I LOVED the original Super Meat Boy and I played it to completion (as well as most of the Bandage Girl levels) but when I saw Super Meat Boy Forever it just kind of made me sad in the same way that Subnautica Below Zero made me sad because the original is so good (except it wasn’t as bad with SMB bc Subnautica is literally my favorite game ever while Super Meat Boy is just a fun indie game I enjoy)
Good video Foekoe really feels like your normal videos but just super duper long which is very epic thank you
I played both of the meatboy games and I am really confused by the autorunner implemation in the sequal. The original was focused on your creativity with the slipery movement you got and thats just gone in the sequal. I still liked some of the boss fights,but I was lack luster in the grand scheme of things becasue the levels felt bland after a while. Since they had a lot of reused things from other levels.
As someone who has participated in the community since 2018 and been creating custom levels for Super Meat Boy, I agree with some points.
The one thing that I usually hear when talking to other people about Super Meat Boy is that nobody has made a proper sequel or at least a proper spiritual successor to the actual game (I mean this in gameplay). I know that TEIN exists, but we're talking 1:1 or pretty close to 1:1. The closest I've been able to suggest in terms of more Super Meat Boy is custom levels, but that only goes so far and usually can't improve on core mechanics to provide a better experience. There is a mod that's being worked on called "Super Meat Boy: Revamped", which I hope will bring more people into the game and hopefully into the modding/level editing scene.
While Super Meat Boy is an excellent game, it has some issues that need fixing. The game can be very buggy at times and some levels like in Dark Cotton Alley aren't very fun to play.
However, in terms of Super Meat Boy Forever.
Super Meat Boy Forever isn't exactly the sequel I would like from a Super Meat Boy game. While yes, they can technically do whatever they want with it, it's such a stark difference from its predecessor that if it were to actually improve on anything, that it still wouldn't matter very much. The fact that it's so divergent will alienate people who played the original. I wouldn't say that Super Meat Boy Forever is exactly a bad game, in fact, I'd say it's okay. There's some things that I didn't like about it, but somethings that I did. I'll list off some of things that weren't already said in the video or that I disagree with. But most of it is positive stuff.
Some of the references in the level names are cool, "Didn't Wet The Sponge" or "V Will Come" are very cool, even if it's something very minor.
Some of the gimmicks can be very interesting if used correctly. I haven't played the game in ages, but I'm sure there was a level where if you jumped, you'd be running on the ceiling instead. Kind of like VVVVVV.
Dark Tetanus was one of the best chapters in the entire game, it was probably the only thing I played more than once that wasn't required for completion. The crates are super satisfying to use too.
Something that I did notice is that you never actually mentioned Tofu Boy in Meat Boy Forever. While I never played as him or got that far, I do know that he's the only character in the game who has different statistics, even if they don't help you very much.
While I didn't experiment with the level editor in Forever as much as the Super Meat Boy one, I appreciate that everything is available to use instead of having it restricted to a certain palette.
The Dark World levels are visually interesting. Instead of having a silhouette every two levels, you can now have a noir level or a gradient level. While you could technically go and do this kind of stuff in the original Super Meat Boy, it was never done officially in game and it wasn't to this scale.
Mean Meat Machine though, is pretty bad in my opinion, and is something I wouldn't want to play again. The fact that you are punished really hard for something that would've been better if you just lost that puyo is actually infuriating. I only went up to the Hospital before calling it quits. I got bored and it was just... not very good. I love Puyo Puyo, I like puzzle games, but Mean Meat Machine isn't it. IMO, this is my least favorite Meat Boy game, excluding Tofu Boy.
I probably screwed up somewhere along these lines, maybe I said something that I shouldn't have or have messed up what I should've said. I just wanted to get my thoughts out on this subject.
I have a question so I want to make my own animation channel and I kind of wanna talk about video games. How do you make your character overlay with the video of the video game?
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Tbh I kinda like Forever. Yeah, it's got a ton of issues, very little soul and it's certainly no masterpiece like the original, but I still had fun playing it through and through and feel its well worth the cost considering it often goes for 90% off on steam for a couple bucks. The real SMB sequel is still truly The End is Nigh though.
I remember playing Super Meatboy went it first cam out on the xbox 360 , i was 5 at the time and i really loved it, I still remember how i raged at a lot of the levels that it had ,now a days i still think of it and seen videos about it here and their but I had no idea that it release 2 more game that were mixed in reviews, it is pretty sad to see the Meatboy franchise like this i still think it has a lot of potential for a second (not counting forever since it was originally a mobile game) Meatboy game to work.
I remember some guy online who I guess has some vendetta against Edmund because he calls all of Edmund’s games as awful. Saying the End is Nigh and Isaac Repentance as trash games but saying Super Meat Boy Forever as one of the best games ever made. He was so glad Edmund has no involvement with Super Meat Boy Forever.
This video seems incredibly disrespectful. Super Meat Boy was itself a celebration of the first wave of indies at the time. You look at games like Runman, Mighty Jill Off, Machinarium, Braid, Super Meat Boy was less interested in referencing old NES games and more about bringing attention to the 'icons' of its era.
Meanwhile, modern indies don't have that sort of camaraderie. At best you see Vampire Survivors collaborating with Among Us, or an indie publisher marketing all its characters at once. Nothing on par with SMB letting you swap out movesets entirely even if it breaks the game. I think the only exception to this would be Inti Creates and their DLC characters.
Thank you for pointing this out, you can tell he doesn’t care just by hearing his voice. That’s why I barely watch this dude anymore because he doesn’t know about the stuff he’s taking about, I agree with SOME of his opinions but throughout his review of the first game he completely misunderstood it, im someone who actually grew up with the first indie boom of games and I found it his review of super meat boy incredibly disrespectful, he only cares about modern indie games which will never recreate the charm that old indies used to have.
its kinda sad how the face of indie games the reason why we such some awesome indie games that are better than AAA games is now dead
and also there's another reason why super meat boy forever failed
the reason is that in the original super meat boy in the credits we could see that edmund was the artist and the MAIN level designer, tommy was the programmer and the level designer but tommy was less important because he wasn't the MAIN designer and, because edmund left team meat tommy is now alone he has less skill than edmund in level designing snd that's why the level design in super meat boy forever is kinda bare-bones
edmund now is "the isaac guy" and although i like isaac more than meat boy its kinda sad how meat boy is kinda... left alone in a bad sequel...
yeah tommy got handed such a big ip i can't even blame him for failing to handling it, the genius of edmund is unmatched
@@ItHamBoi i wish if edmund can release isaac and meatboy games in the same time
Hello i was wondering what editing software youre using to edit these videos of art
Ngl, i kinda love the squirrel storyline just becuase it is the perfect mix of Dumb and cool
There are fates worse than death...
Great quote bobo
You got to at least give Forever credit for trying something new. Even though it stinks, it tried.
Battleblock theater mentioned!!
What's the song at 15:03? its bugging me to death and I can't find anything about it. I really need to know because it sounds so familiar and I'm gonna go insane if I look any longer.
2:05 you mean bloatware that, ironically, makes it eat RAM almost like Chrome?
all chromium browsers do that
I played and finished Super Meat Boy last year, it's honestly a gem, i love it.
SMB Forever is just a shallow game that failed to match the original in every way shape and form, and that's going to forever suck.
I only have 2 good things to say about it.
For one it had really good and expressive cutscenes.
And for two it had some interesting ideas for bosses.
Oh and also Meat Boy being able to punch enemies is such a cool concept, i would love to see an actual SMB sequel where that mechanic is optional not mandatory.
Edit: Some final thoughts.
Them adding modding/level editing so late for a game no one plays is so stupid. Because letting your fan base create leaves to your randomly generated game is self defeating. You should have just made actual levels from the start.
And it honestly sucks watching IPs getting handed over to people who don't know what to do with them, over and over again and just end up destroying them and their legacy.
Edmund had completely different lore for this game too, that i found interesting and wierd. Even if he wasn't planning on making a sequel it would have been awesome to see him try his magic on a SMB2 game.
Says something how I have had Meat Boy shape me into the person I am now since I was 8 and I've only played Forever once in my life, completed 1 world and never touched it again
8 views in 45 seconds, oh deer...
he fell off noooooooo
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Super Meat Boy was one of my favorite game when I was younger, I even remember crying when I actually managed to beat it. It's kinda sad what ended up happening to it.
Finally Foekoe uploaded! 🎉 Thank you for putting your time and effort into this video! ❤
8 views in 14 seconds u rlly fell off huh
Solve my riddle
@@InsertFunnyThingHere no
I've said this a million times to my friends: almost every single mechanic introduced in SMBF could've worked without the game being an auto-runner.
I recommend watching Salt N’ Spam’s Super Meat Boy videos. They dive into the series, the creators, and such and such. The story behind SMB’s downfall is sad. Plz watch him hessss coooool aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
nah that guy is just a transphobic troll lmfao
A lot of people might disagree, but I feel like we hate on forever to much, the map maker and editor is actually fun!
In short:
*_Meatboy has joined RayMan on the "Lost Icons" bench_*