Dof better pay you! Youre literally the only person giving clear and concise instructions on this product..im a little worried now that i womt have what it takes to get this thing set up correctly, but the money is already spent..poop. im in it now!
Thanks buddy. About to assemble an H3. You took a lot of the trial and error guessing out when it comes to balancing the seat. I'm going to assume a good starting point for seat position is to align you buttocks and spine as close to the universal pivot point as possible and go from there.
Many thanks for this and the reply you gave me in a previous video.the series you are doing is really helpful and i am fully sold on the m2 now. Will dig into the damper upgrade a bit more thiugh still because i feel there will be the need to improve smoothness although your video with response showing was really better than what SRG did.thanks a bunch from Japan again!
@@KarlGosling interesting to see what you did here.I have an engineering background and I have been managing business in automotive related to springs&suspensions products so I have my own idea about why the Next Lev V3 solution would work better than a damper type like DOFreality has on their website.Again happy to hear your views and your testing results in any case
@@nolive2nd180 I think my video is due out Friday about this mate. The damper they have on their site is not for their motion platforms, only their full motion rigs.
I order an H3, and is like u said, pdf is not clear, your video help me a lot, in Facebook there's a group dof reality builders, best I see is for jerkiness out to cut bycicle wheel tube and put in the parts you have to screw with m8, that fix sound.
Great information and presentation! I am currently considering DofReality but I am little hesitant as I have many questions about what I would need. Like this balancing thing is all about mass, that how much those motors can actually move around that 2-axis gimbal. The Dofreality cheapest option says 70 kg for driver. But I am questioning it as if I assume it is when 70 kg is balanced, that it is the chair + person. But what happens if you have someone with varying weight? Let's say someone as 45 kg and then as 90 kg. The body length of course requires to move seat forward and backward to reach wheel and pedals (if bolted), but some mass shifting happens, such way that example children doesn't have so much mass on upper body as an adult, and less mass on the legs as well compared to adult. So can those 70/100 kg models support that with just shifting the seat forward/backward and fiddling some wheel/pedals distance? It is likely safer option to go for a 100 kg model or even 150 kg model, but I don't know about price increase for features I wouldn't need.
DOFReality Dof reality should be making these instruction videos. As a business , it’s their responsibility to do this for their customers. I find their instructions poor. People are spending lots of money on these motion platforms only to find out they have to do lots of DIY, and its very complicated. Come on DOf, treat us better.
Hello, I just ordered a M2 tonight so I watched all your videos again. I have a question about the balance. Once you have it balanced for you personally, if someone taller or shorter wants to have a go at it will it not work well? Wouldn't sliding the seat forward or backward to accommodate them throw off the balance? I hand built my rig so maybe make an adjustment that moves the whole seat mover forward and back and keep the seat stationary?
You are 100% correct yes it will throw the balance off. But there is a degree of tolerance that still works fine, shorter people are usually ok as their weight is partially supported by their legs on the pedal deck but it's taller people who would need to move the seat really far back that may be a problem. Having the whole platform slide would be the perfect solution.
Yes both the H3 and P3 both need to be balanced first and the step not skipped as per the manual. It also suggests getting two other strong people to help. The reason why I asked is because with the M2i think you are able to pull it off solo because your feet contacts the ground. With the H3 your whole body is on the platform.
Got mine balanced but finding the motor #2 (under right leg) running about 10-15c hotter that the other motor this is about after 30-40 mins of use. Have you measured your temps? if so what are they? Thanks
@@KarlGosling What is your opinion between a seat platform vs whole platform (seat + pedals + wheel) when thinking about realism standpoint? Many has started to praise the bass shakers and others, that they consider even better investment than small motion platforms. For < 1000 price range the bass shaker is hard to beat, but I still think (without experience) that good, quickly reacting motion platform would be better, and best would be to have both. Would you agree?
I think you did mate! lol There's no forcing anything to fit, you are just finding the correct balanced front to back position for the platform on your rig... maybe watch my install and review video too it if it's not clear.
@@KarlGosling This is when you wish human has a third arm that come straight out of the gut...5 feet long arm will surely help bolt that sucker down and balance it.
Credit to you ... thats a lot of effort to make it fit and balance.... ... why did you go DOFreality over something like a Next Level Racing equivalent setup? Was the total price that much different?
Instead of sliding the seat just use the balance adjusters in the feet. You have 4 adjustments to perfectly balance the platform which will impact the center balance of the seat.
The M2 platform has no feet mate, it needs to be balanced as per this video, see the DOF Reality site for written instructions if you're unsure what I mean.
Hi Karl, thanks for your videos. They are very informative in a way that makes me understand better all of this sum racing experience. I would like to ask, as I was considering the same motion simulation platform that you have, but how it is dealing with lag? Did you experience any perceivable lag between image and movement? How responsive is it? Thanks in advance for your possible input. Apologies in case someone already asked that. Regards. Juan
Not sure if any one has advice ?. I have the MP2 and trying to balance it. Despite having the seat bolted on the furthest forward holes I’m still back heavy and it can’t move me. If I lift my legs up straight in front it balances (80kg, 5”11). I’ve ordered the PlaySeat slider from curries as it looks like it lets you slide the seat a few inches further forward than stock.
Just an update. The slider did the trick! I needed to move the platform back about 3 inches and compensate with the slider. II would say it is essential for anyone wanting to install M2/MP2 on the PlaySeat Evo. Worth the money solid build quality.👍
@@charzy11 thanks for your tip. I'm running into the same problem and can't move the Playseat (Revolution) further forwards. Will order the slide immediately.
Im having difficult balancing it....If i slide the seat all the forward or backward, I continue to fall back either way....What does that mean and what need to be done with the seat to hopefully balance it.. Thanks
@@stew3132 you either have to move the seat further forward or the platform further back... or a bit of both depending how close that puts you to your wheel and pedals.
@@KarlGosling I appreciate the help... I THINK i got it balanced...I checked out your old videos regarding set up and software. I followed that...But when i just played DR2 and AC, the motion was super bare minimal. I felt something but very, very little...When i do the test mode, everything work correct but i definitely dont feel it in the games..Dont know what to try next..When it not be balanced correctly make it so bare, minimal during gameplay
@@stew3132 DR2 should have loads of movement, maybe try increasing the sliders in the SRS software and see what happens in game? Always tune one at a time.
was about to order one, but now i won't, moving away from center of gravity will stress the motor a lot, i am going for qubic QS-V20 or race@home product
Hello mate I could realy do with some help is there a way I can chat to up I'm thinking of starting up a buisness vr gaming in UK but I'm a bit clueless when it comes to motion stuff and Im thinking of going with the p3 would realy like to speak to someone that knows what there talking about.. How Would you say it compares to the V3 NLR
I'm no expert mate and my experience with motion is only limited to what you see here so I don't know if I can be of much help? I've not used the P3 but I'd guess it will perform as well as my M2 does. The M2 is way better value compared to the NLR V3 and I would choose it every time.
@@KarlGosling thanks for the reply mate I'm getting a decent offer on multiple orders from the NLR company but I do still realy like the p3 how long have you owned yours for now and do you use it with VR?
@@jamesrush6867 The only issue I have with NLR V3 for business use is they are all breaking if used a lot, the shaft coming out of the motor literally snaps clean off (there's some video's about it on RUclips), they will repair it but at the cost of about £700 IIRC. The P3 is full motion where as the NLR V3 and M2 are just seat movers so given the choice I'd go P3 if I could afford it. About 3 months and yes I use it with VR, it's great! :)
Dof better pay you! Youre literally the only person giving clear and concise instructions on this product..im a little worried now that i womt have what it takes to get this thing set up correctly, but the money is already spent..poop. im in it now!
They are not but I wish they were! lol
Yeah it's a pain to install and balance thats for sure.
Thanks buddy. About to assemble an H3. You took a lot of the trial and error guessing out when it comes to balancing the seat. I'm going to assume a good starting point for seat position is to align you buttocks and spine as close to the universal pivot point as possible and go from there.
Just serving up for the DOF Reality H2 and found your video spot on thanks
Hope it helps.
Many thanks for this and the reply you gave me in a previous video.the series you are doing is really helpful and i am fully sold on the m2 now. Will dig into the damper upgrade a bit more thiugh still because i feel there will be the need to improve smoothness although your video with response showing was really better than what SRG did.thanks a bunch from Japan again!
Happy to help, I have a video coming on why dampening springs don't work with this platfrom next week, I spent some time experimenting!
@@KarlGosling interesting to see what you did here.I have an engineering background and I have been managing business in automotive related to springs&suspensions products so I have my own idea about why the Next Lev V3 solution would work better than a damper type like DOFreality has on their website.Again happy to hear your views and your testing results in any case
@@nolive2nd180 I think my video is due out Friday about this mate.
The damper they have on their site is not for their motion platforms, only their full motion rigs.
I order an H3, and is like u said, pdf is not clear, your video help me a lot, in Facebook there's a group dof reality builders, best I see is for jerkiness out to cut bycicle wheel tube and put in the parts you have to screw with m8, that fix sound.
I built my P3 yesterday and the manufacturer's instructions were the worst I've seen.
Thanks Karl, another great video. DOF Reality's documentation is crap, so thanks for making it easy mate.
No worries
Great information and presentation!
I am currently considering DofReality but I am little hesitant as I have many questions about what I would need.
Like this balancing thing is all about mass, that how much those motors can actually move around that 2-axis gimbal.
The Dofreality cheapest option says 70 kg for driver. But I am questioning it as if I assume it is when 70 kg is balanced, that it is the chair + person. But what happens if you have someone with varying weight?
Let's say someone as 45 kg and then as 90 kg. The body length of course requires to move seat forward and backward to reach wheel and pedals (if bolted), but some mass shifting happens, such way that example children doesn't have so much mass on upper body as an adult, and less mass on the legs as well compared to adult. So can those 70/100 kg models support that with just shifting the seat forward/backward and fiddling some wheel/pedals distance?
It is likely safer option to go for a 100 kg model or even 150 kg model, but I don't know about price increase for features I wouldn't need.
Great video! We hope you don't mind we use it in updated platform manual?
Of course no problem 🙂
DOFReality How do you balance P3? Just ordered it and its comming next week!
DOFReality
Dof reality should be making these instruction videos. As a business , it’s their responsibility to do this for their customers. I find their instructions poor. People are spending lots of money on these motion platforms only to find out they have to do lots of DIY, and its very complicated. Come on DOf, treat us better.
He doesnt say what to do at reconnection. Its pointless. So once balanced, do you force the motor arm to fit the new position and then bolt in?
Take my money Karl,is my Dreams the motion for my playseat évolution 🙃, thanks Expert 💪😎
I thought that if you just move the seat using the slider, shouldn't that have shifted the weight to where you need to balance the point?
Yeah if it went far enough forward.. but then my knees and chest would literally be touching the steering wheel! lol
Hello, I just ordered a M2 tonight so I watched all your videos again. I have a question about the balance. Once you have it balanced for you personally, if someone taller or shorter wants to have a go at it will it not work well? Wouldn't sliding the seat forward or backward to accommodate them throw off the balance? I hand built my rig so maybe make an adjustment that moves the whole seat mover forward and back and keep the seat stationary?
You are 100% correct yes it will throw the balance off.
But there is a degree of tolerance that still works fine, shorter people are usually ok as their weight is partially supported by their legs on the pedal deck but it's taller people who would need to move the seat really far back that may be a problem.
Having the whole platform slide would be the perfect solution.
@@KarlGosling Speaking of slide, how do you slide the platform without moving the seat?
Hey Karl does your balancing technique applies to the H3/H6 being that the seat and the whole thing moves?
I don't have either but if it says it needs to be balanced (which I'm guessing does) then yes mate.
Yes both the H3 and P3 both need to be balanced first and the step not skipped as per the manual. It also suggests getting two other strong people to help. The reason why I asked is because with the M2i think you are able to pull it off solo because your feet contacts the ground. With the H3 your whole body is on the platform.
Seems like a big effort. Is the time spent getting this to work actually worth the payout on the end? Or is it just a bit of a gimmick?
If I turn it off racing feels a bit lifeless now so I'd say it's worth it for sure!
Got mine balanced but finding the motor #2 (under right leg) running about 10-15c hotter that the other motor this is about after 30-40 mins of use. Have you measured your temps? if so what are they? Thanks
I haven't mate no, I've not even felt them to be honest.
Good job sir
Thanks mate!
@@KarlGosling just got p3 that was hard enough
Hey, Karl, can this hardware be used with American Truck Simulators an d have some effect on the driver?
If it's in the list of supported games then yes, I think it is.
how much vat and import tax to the uk was and is it really worth it..
This was a while ago and I think it was about £900 all in at the time.
It certainly adds to the fun but not any extra realism.
@@KarlGosling What is your opinion between a seat platform vs whole platform (seat + pedals + wheel) when thinking about realism standpoint?
Many has started to praise the bass shakers and others, that they consider even better investment than small motion platforms. For < 1000 price range the bass shaker is hard to beat, but I still think (without experience) that good, quickly reacting motion platform would be better, and best would be to have both. Would you agree?
Once you mark where your center is, what do you do at reconnection? Force the motor arm to fit? I think I missed the main intention here
I think you did mate! lol There's no forcing anything to fit, you are just finding the correct balanced front to back position for the platform on your rig... maybe watch my install and review video too it if it's not clear.
Thank you
No problem.
You didn't show how to reconnect the motor arms after balancing. Do you do it while sitting in the seat while balanced?
I'm assembling mine now.
No, that would be really hard! lol Just get out the seat and reattach them.
@@KarlGosling Ya, wasn't thinking clearly. It was 5 am when i started. lol Thanks again.
This is fun.:) I'm so glad I finally bought one. Thanks for the videos.
@@KarlGosling This is when you wish human has a third arm that come straight out of the gut...5 feet long arm will surely help bolt that sucker down and balance it.
Hey mate, how do you get that seat? Is it still available?
The seat is a GT Omega RS6 and is out of stock right now.
Karl, what brand is the seat?
GT Omega, same as the rig mate (ART).
Credit to you ... thats a lot of effort to make it fit and balance....
... why did you go DOFreality over something like a Next Level Racing equivalent setup? Was the total price that much different?
Yes mate it was, the price difference was £800 versus £2400.
@@KarlGosling Well... that is substantial... I see why you took on the effort then
@@RamjetX yeah well worth it!
Instead of sliding the seat just use the balance adjusters in the feet. You have 4 adjustments to perfectly balance the platform which will impact the center balance of the seat.
The M2 platform has no feet mate, it needs to be balanced as per this video, see the DOF Reality site for written instructions if you're unsure what I mean.
Karl Gosling oh right, for some reason I thought it was an H2..my mistake. For those with a motion platform - please don’t add ballast.
Hi Karl, thanks for your videos. They are very informative in a way that makes me understand better all of this sum racing experience.
I would like to ask, as I was considering the same motion simulation platform that you have, but how it is dealing with lag? Did you experience any perceivable lag between image and movement? How responsive is it?
Thanks in advance for your possible input.
Apologies in case someone already asked that.
Regards.
Juan
Very very little lag, see my other video on response testing.
@@KarlGosling thanks mate!
@@KarlGosling dof reality is now selling the dampeners for the M2 in their website... Did you manage to get and try one of those?
Thanks Karl
No problem 🙂
Love my H3 setup with vr. Thanks for the tips. Very helpful.
No problem 👍
Hi Michael, did you find easy or difficult to assemble your H3?
Not sure if any one has advice ?. I have the MP2 and trying to balance it. Despite having the seat bolted on the furthest forward holes I’m still back heavy and it can’t move me. If I lift my legs up straight in front it balances (80kg, 5”11). I’ve ordered the PlaySeat slider from curries as it looks like it lets you slide the seat a few inches further forward than stock.
Is the seat tipping backwards unless you extend your legs? You may have to move the platform further back on your rig mate.
Just an update. The slider did the trick! I needed to move the platform back about 3 inches and compensate with the slider. II would say it is essential for anyone wanting to install M2/MP2 on the PlaySeat Evo. Worth the money solid build quality.👍
@@charzy11 thanks for your tip. I'm running into the same problem and can't move the Playseat (Revolution) further forwards. Will order the slide immediately.
Im having difficult balancing it....If i slide the seat all the forward or backward, I continue to fall back either way....What does that mean and what need to be done with the seat to hopefully balance it.. Thanks
It means the motion platform needs to be moved further back.
@@KarlGosling Would just moving the seat position on the platform help or I still have to actually move the platform?
@@stew3132 you either have to move the seat further forward or the platform further back... or a bit of both depending how close that puts you to your wheel and pedals.
@@KarlGosling I appreciate the help... I THINK i got it balanced...I checked out your old videos regarding set up and software. I followed that...But when i just played DR2 and AC, the motion was super bare minimal. I felt something but very, very little...When i do the test mode, everything work correct but i definitely dont feel it in the games..Dont know what to try next..When it not be balanced correctly make it so bare, minimal during gameplay
@@stew3132 DR2 should have loads of movement, maybe try increasing the sliders in the SRS software and see what happens in game? Always tune one at a time.
was about to order one, but now i won't, moving away from center of gravity will stress the motor a lot, i am going for qubic QS-V20 or race@home product
Hello mate I could realy do with some help is there a way I can chat to up I'm thinking of starting up a buisness vr gaming in UK but I'm a bit clueless when it comes to motion stuff and Im thinking of going with the p3 would realy like to speak to someone that knows what there talking about.. How Would you say it compares to the V3 NLR
I'm no expert mate and my experience with motion is only limited to what you see here so I don't know if I can be of much help?
I've not used the P3 but I'd guess it will perform as well as my M2 does.
The M2 is way better value compared to the NLR V3 and I would choose it every time.
@@KarlGosling thanks for the reply mate I'm getting a decent offer on multiple orders from the NLR company but I do still realy like the p3 how long have you owned yours for now and do you use it with VR?
@@jamesrush6867 The only issue I have with NLR V3 for business use is they are all breaking if used a lot, the shaft coming out of the motor literally snaps clean off (there's some video's about it on RUclips), they will repair it but at the cost of about £700 IIRC.
The P3 is full motion where as the NLR V3 and M2 are just seat movers so given the choice I'd go P3 if I could afford it.
About 3 months and yes I use it with VR, it's great! :)
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