Great video, probably the best out there on DOF Reality. I’m looking at buying the H3. You mentioned wanting the P6 to get more travel. Do you still feel that want now given that the SFU upgrades provide more travel?
Actually I am just wrapping up a new video finalizing our experience with the SFU, and I specifically asked DOF Reality if there is now any advantage to the P series. They said Movement is exactly the same on both P and H series now with the new gearboxes. The only thing you gain is more longevity for the motors themselves. So to answer your question, the H Series should be just fine unless you are running an arcade or something. Thanks for the comment and watching our stuff!
Yes for sure... However with the new SFU Gearboxes I got to the performance of the P6 so really you don't need a P Series anymore unless you are running an arcade with the motion platform going 8 hours a day straight.
Excellent review. Clearly worded, making your comments easy to see and understand. The shipping for the P3 from Ukraine to Hawaii was $400.00. This was for two boxes that weighed a total of 130 pounds. Yes, a good amount of money. But when you think about it, the shipping cost was reasonable. Very fair, I thought. It flew thousands of miles to get here, and it arrived in a week. Although still in the boxes, after giving it some thought, not to mention hearing your views of DOF Reality's product, there is contemplation to get one more order placed for the P6 upgrade. It seems like a great way to experience the feeling of motion sims. Thank you for a good video. Subscribed to your channel. Take care. Aloha! K Inouye Honolulu, Hawaii
Thanks for the comments and the Sub... I Love Hawaii and can't wait to get back someday! Yep, those extra 3 dof are awesome. If you drive, it is cool cuz it has the road bumps with the heave and surge really works well. For flying those extra 3 dof just add to the overall experience and the heave when you land is awesome. I don't think you will be disappointed with the upgrade if you decide to do it!
I will watch your every episode. When you make a purchase two things need to be consider is a shipping fee and custom fee. Total pay for Dof H3 to my country nearly 5,000 USD.
I appreciate the support and the comment! yes shipping was around $500 when I bought mine (live in USA), but when you consider it is still only half the price of the competition I still think it is a good deal even with the shipping! This thing is huge and heavy and comes in 2 big boxes, so at least you can understand why shipping is high.
you could take and extend the arms that connect the Motion Motors and the Rods that connect the seat together and that should give you more DOF. if the Rod is 5 inches long from factory and you make them 8 inches you would increase your degrees of movement. now im sure that there is a scientific mathematical equation to figure out just how long they would be that would changed your H6 from 17DOF to the desired 21DOF... or more for that matter.
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. I wish it was as simple as that. One of the problems I see with doing that is the arms would hit the floor when they move to their extremes. I also checked with DOF and they said the motors are at their limits and would overheat if you extended the arms, plus all the geometry would be messed up for the software. I guess that's why you need the P-Series motors, they obviously have more power to move more.
Another reason to seriously consider the P-series over the H, is the P motors are more powerful and they move 50% faster (75 cm/sec vs 50 cm/sec). This may be more desirable for sim racers since response time is a common criticism for motion by racers who have tried a motion system (I don't think any of the posts I've seen had tried a DOF Reality P-series). Me, I'm interested in the P3 because the only thing I do is sim racing & I don't have much interest in rally so the heave of a P6 wouldn't be that helpful.
Hi lewisgordon, I've talked to lots of P-Series owners and most say the difference isn't really noticeable, and with the new SFU gears, the motion range is the same now. The big reason for the P-series from what most people tell me is that they will not burn out if used like 8 hours a day on a regular bases like in a VR Arcade, otherwise pretty much everyone says save your money and just get the H motors now. I will tell you that some people think the H6 is even more important for racing even when it isn't rally because it gives you lots of movement cues that help you feel what the car is doing. If you are interested, Jeff Weaver talks more about that here ( ruclips.net/video/lsPbbYEy95s/видео.html ) Hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv thanks for your response. I'm now leaving heavily to the H-series. Pross the biggest reason I was looking at the P3 is for the traction loss & almost all motion sims can't give sustained G's, so I was planning to combine it w/ a Simexperience GS-5 G seat, which can give sustained forces, heave, and surge by moving the plates under & in back of the seat. Also H6 ($5,697) is almost identical in price to a H3 ($2527) & a GS 5 seat ( $2,999) at $5526 + tax & shipping. Edit: if I got a H3 w/ the SFU upgrade I would think it should be less than $200 per motor if ordered w/ the rig but by how much? (not a serious question to you)
@@lewisgordon1490If you are close to buying, you can use my code "GYGO" and it should save you about 5%. Tough call on the H6 vs. H3 and GS5 seat... I think it would be great either way.
Can't you put a longer lever arm on the motor to increase range of motion by a few degrees? As long as you raise the base slightly to clear the floor and the software can account for it this could be an easy way to add more range.
Hi AVGVSTVS, no you can't because the motors would overheat according to DOF Reality. BUT if you watch my newer video ruclips.net/video/Vd5aCnDFRYI/видео.html about the SFU Gearbox upgrade, it is basically doing what you are talking about and getting more motion from the rig. Now with the new gearboxes we get motion to the point where the problem is the geometry of the rig hitting itself during movement. SO the SFU upgrade basically maxes out the movement of this type of motion platform. Hope that answers your question.
im definitly going with this setup. the ability to start low end and upgrade is absolutly awesome. 95% of anyone who is interested in getting into sims cant afford to start off with a 6-10 k setup. and if its your first set up you have no fucking clue if it will be worth it or you will enjoy it. one so cheap alleviates all that worry.
@@frankthoman4894 I think that is a good idea, and it is so cool upgrading is even an option. I can tell you, just adding motion makes a huge difference in the sim experience. Something about even a little movement making you feel like you are not glued to the floor in an office chair is amazing. As for filming myself, I try to add relevant footage when I can but I think I've been guilty of the "film myself the whole time" too. I'm pretty sure I did that on my Facebook/Metabook Rant a week ago. I'll try to keep those to a minimum if possible. Thanks for the views!
Have you tried the H6 with a helicopter (Xplane 11, Aerofly FS2 or MSFS?) I'm wondering if you get the feeling of hovering or if you can feel the skids come off the ground.
Nice review on the purchase. The DOF reality support group on facebook (DOFRealityBuilders) may be the best I have seen. Its built from the customers and not the company. The mods you can do are amazing !! Keep the videos coming.
Agreed! They are getting mentioned in the next video that covers the core build... I got a ton of info and great ideas from that group. I highly recommend anyone into this stuff join the group and you should join the motion sim builders group too! (MotionSimBuilders)
nice video bro im new at this my question i what kind of pc do you need to have to run it and how do you hook it up to pc i have a alienware r12 10900k with rtx 3080 graphics card 32 gb of ram and the reverb g2 lol which i love but want to feel more emersive
Thanks Richard, appreciate the view. Not sure what the min specs are now but your system is more than able. Hookups for the H6 are basically 2 USB ports (one for each control box) and then you run the SRS software so the PC and Motion Rig can talk to each other. The biggest thing is the power requirements. FROM THE MANUAL: "For US and 110-120 volt power supply countries you must use two different power cords (each plugged into a separate outlet), one for each control box! Each line current can only handle 15 Amp and peak power consumption of the two combined boxes can be more than your breaker can handle, resulting in the breaker to fail, if this happens you will have to reset your breaker to this part of the house." So you almost want a dedicated circuit to be sure you wont have problems. Some people don't have any issues with this and some do... it just depends on the wiring of your house and how much load is on them currently. I had 2 separate 20amp breakers installed (along with heavy gauge wiring) that each go to a single box... but I tend to do things to the extreme. Other than that, you will likely need a USB Hub to plug all your controllers into and a seat, plus any other customizations you want to do. I will warn you, these systems are not plug an play, so plan on spending some time getting things running. To maximize the effect, you have to "tune" the platform through the software for every title you are going to play. Some games, like Project Cars 2 and MS Flight Sim 2020, you actually tune each vehicle you drive/fly Also, DOF is just now releasing new Gearboxes with their systems which seem to greatly improve movement... you will want to make sure you get the "SFU Gearboxes" if you order one. Review on it on the way as we are currently upgrading my system as we speak. Hope that helps, and let me know if you have any other questions. Be sure to watch the other parts of this series if you haven't yet and that will give you a better idea of what you are getting into here.
@@GYGOtv Thank you for the most valuable information you gave me just a thought maybe you would like to do a video on what you explain to me It would be a great week thanks again my friend
@@richardPalmisano Thank you for watching my content! I already discuss the electrical requirements in my Part 3 video ruclips.net/video/RNk-c88FNtA/видео.html but that is a great suggestion to cover some of the other topics. I'll see about doing that once the SFU upgrade work is done and video is uploaded. Appreciate you being a GYGO viewer!
I do have MSFS 2020 and have already logged a bunch of hours it in trying to sort it all out. I can tell you it feels pretty amazing, not as action packed as a racing title, but the banking and especially the descending are really realistic. I've also got the heave turned up so when I land I really feel the runway. Plus with the Buttkicker it really gives you the prop vibration on most of the planes. I've been trying to figure out how to video the screen without it being in the "lens" mode where it looks like binoculars. Would it bug you if the gameplay footage wasn't full screen and was in that circle pattern we get from VR? Either way, I'm planning on doing something with both it and DCS sooner rather than later.
Thanks for the suggestion, apparently lots of people wanted to see FS2020 gameplay too. Here is my video I hope you enjoy it. I started a new series so I can accommodate specific gameplay requests. Please let me know if you like this kind of contend and I'll make more like it. Your comment is one of the reasons I made this video. ruclips.net/video/9mCNr3tDmJo/видео.html
Very informative! I wish I'd done better research a couple of years ago before I got the Next Level V3 (seat mover and flightsim frame only). THIS is really what I need for DCS and FS2020! Now that I'm in the market, I'm really wondering if the P6 is worth the extra money as you indicate (4 more degrees of movement)? I'm just about ready to pull the plug on this as I await the arrival of my Aero 😅
The P6 vs. H6 is a hard question to answer for someone else but I'll try to do my best. First this only applies to flight sims, that 21 degree boost probably won't feel much different in racing games. So for me, in flight sims, I would initiate a climb and the seat would start to tilt back and it always "felt" like it was stopping just a little too soon (reached the limit of the machine) and it just felt like I wanted just a little bit more out of it. Does 2 degrees make a real difference? Well let me tell you a quick story to try and answer that. After I made the last H6 video I did a readjustment. Originally I mounted my seat at zero degrees when neutral in the sim. We unmounted the seat and added some washers to the front and basically got -2 degrees (to the rear) out of that change. Now when I pull back on the stick it gets me just to the point where my weight shifts and it feels a lot more like I wanted it to. Now that did take away from the descending motion... but it was already pretty strong so it actually kind of balanced it out. So in this situation that 2 degrees did make a difference because it got me to a sensation of weight transfer that I didn't have before. In the end, I guess this is my recommendation to you. If the extra money isn't going to put a large strain on your budget and you want the absolute best feeling you can get out of it.... do the P6. If that extra money will put you in any kind of a bind financially, or you don't really need the ultimate experience then stay with the H6. Considering your are getting an AERO... I'm going to assume you likely fall into the first category. I don't think the 4 degrees extra will be THAT noticeable... but it can make a difference if it gets you to that weight transfer stage. So the obvious next question to ask is, now that I made that seat adjustment would I still want to go to the P6? The answer for me is YES, as much as that extra 2 degrees helped by tilting the seat, I'd love to add another 2 degrees on top of it. I hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv wow! That was a very detailed and helpful answer and I really appreciate your input and experimentation for a newb like myself, lol. Yes this is a lifelong hobby and passion of mine (dating back to my teens with a C-64 and Amiga-500) and I have literally thousands of dollars worth of high-end gear that I've purchased over the years. I build my own PCs and upgrade them every few years or so. I only do flight simulators. 😆 I'm also a real private pilot for the past 24 years, but I don't fly as much as I used to mainly due to time, job and family. So this is what keeps me going lol. It's an expensive hobby for sure, but still a lot cheaper than the real thing! The "hundred dollar hamburger" is more like the $300 dollar White Castle slider! 🤣 Anyhow, I will do a bit more research before making a choice. Oh, the Aero looks really good based on the reviews. I just sold my Pimax 8kx for half of what I paid for it in 2020, so that helped pay for the Aero. Wide FOV is nice, but ever since my first HMD (CV1) I've longed for the clarity that the Aero has! I'm going to subscribe and keep an eye on your great content! Thanks again.
@@redtailpilot Thanks for the sub! Former Amiga 1000 and 2500 owner here, along with the C64 too. Took my pilot lessons, but couldn't afford the actual flight hours so it stopped at that point. Hope you continue to enjoy the content.
@@GYGOtv awesome you took some actual flight lessons! Your story is quite common, but at least you did that much. Very few even get that far. It's a huge financial challenge, even moreso now than when I started. It's probably the number one reason for the high dropout rate among student pilots. In fact, it almost claimed me as well, lol. I ran up a credit card near the end of my training in order to finish. Then after getting it done, had to take a few years hiatus. My electrical career has propelled over the years which has allowed me to continue flying off and on over the years, so I'm thankful. Those Commodore computers were amazing in their day! I had a blast with mine, as I'm sure you did🙂
Yes you should be fine, we insulated all the joints with rubber and the thing is very quite when running. The Buttkicker 2 Transducer is the loudest part of the rig and obviously you don't need to run one of those if you don't want to. We have a 5% discount code that will be in our next video that will come out Thursday if that helps with your purchase. Let me know if you have any other questions and thanks for watching.
Hi linopaini, well if you notice this video is over a year old so just like everything else, prices are on the rise. What still holds true is that the DOF Reality is still roughly half the price of the competition (which is now closer to $13,000). I don't see the prices coming down anytime soon so if this is something you are interested in, either find a good used one or get a new one sooner than later because I bet next year you won't even find one for $6500! Thanks for watching and the question.
Could a guy make a business out of this (offering high quality racing and flight VR experiences)? Just wondering, cuz I'm a business man and I'd love to do something like this. I could easily setup several stations. Great vid btw, I've subscribed.
Thanks for the SUB Marty. One could certainly make a business out of this, but I think there is a lot that must go into it to be successful. Email me if you want to talk more.
Hi Chloe, thanks for stopping by and watching the content. I've actually never heard of the SR1, but after taking a quick look, I can tell you that is only a 3dof system so you are losing a lot of motion and the price was still around $3000 USD. It also doesn't look like it comes with the actual framework so that will be an added expense. Degrees of motion were 6, which is pretty low too. I'd take a DOF over the S1 any day from my limited research.
@@GYGOtv Wow thank you for the detailed answer. Subscribed. Last question though, in DOF does it simulate like stalling when you dont shift properly or clutch properly? Again thank you. God Bless
@@chloeanne4305 First off, THANKS FOR THE SUB!!! So the effects aren't really controlled by the actual motion platform, it is all dependent on the telemetry from the game/sim. Also depends on how you set up the software as to how strong the "effects" are if they are in the game. I can tell you when I'm flying in a jet, I can feel the acceleration (slides me back) and the deceleration (throws me forward). In the racecars, the Acceleration tilts the seat way back and when you slam on the brakes it tilts forward but I never tried it with the clutch. I know the traction loss (feel of the backend sliding out) is a HUGE thing that most racers get excited about feeling. Go take a look at the end of this video, you can see the effects as I'm driving... but again no clutch. (ruclips.net/video/VxwCUUzOAyA/видео.html) at 6min 40sec.
The Yaw2 is a very interesting piece that I have thought a lot about. At first glance I'd say PERFECT for flight sims because you get soooo much pitch out of it. But honestly its selling point seems to be the "YAW" function which can go 360. Honestly , yaw is much less impactful then pitch and roll in my flight sim experience (in fact I have the yaw turned way down in the H6 because even as much as it moves it is too much in relation to pitch and roll). Then you get the problem that all your HOTAS and VR headsets are wired so you are going to end up wrapping yourself up with the cords much like you do in roomscale, but with the actual simulator instead. Then you get in the problem of only 3dof so no surge like catapult launches from the carrier (which are awesome as I hope to show you guys in the near future), and no heave which plays a big part of feeling the runway when you land and takeoff. So for me, I don't think the trade off of more pitch is worth what you give up with 6dof. Plus I still think that thing may have balancing or rigidity issues with the pedal tray so far out there, but that is just a guess... I've never tried it.
@@shojo8708 That is an awesome design decision, well done. I hate to comment on the unit when I haven't tried it personally so all I can go on is what I see and what I've learned from my motion platform. I would love to try the YAW 2 to see how it does. The current concerns I have are first, a quest 2 isn't even close to high enough resolution to clearly read gauges on a flight sim cockpit so you will need to be wired for that experience. Second, it looks like getting into and out of the YAW 2 with a full HOTAS configuration may be cumbersome. I watched some videos of people flying and it looks like the controls are attached after they get in so much more difficult than jumping in and out of the H6. Please correct me if I'm wrong, again I am curious about the Yaw 2, just have some things I'd like answered first.
Hi, Thanks for your great videos. I too am thinking of getting a motion simulator for use in VR with MSFT FS2020 and IL-2, Not really doing driving games. I use a Valve Index. Really like the idea of the amount of pitch the YAW2 allows. Not really interested in 360 Yaw (especially with all the cable problems that could create.) Are 2 DOFs enough for flight sims? Trying to decide if I should wait until YAW 2 is actually shipping or go with DOF now. (would definitely like to stay under $3000 USD). If you were shopping right now, do you think you'd wait for the YAW2? Thanks so much.
@@stevealterman9287, This is an interesting question, with a lot to consider. First off, I'd recommend a DOF H3 minimum if you can afford it. That yaw is nice for the rudder pedals and as long as you don't overdo it, adds some nice motion to the overall feeling. If money is a serious constraint then a 2 DOF would probably get you 85% there and you could always add to it later. After playing IL-2 I don't think it has any Sway or Surge telemetry but there does seem to be some Heave but you have to turn it up pretty far to get it to work. I tweaked my settings after doing the Mark Plays... video on IL2 (ruclips.net/video/PNGR5F7l9HI/видео.html) and I can say it has been pretty fun to play and feels like I'm flying in the plane. Just FYI, the thing the Heave gets you is the jolt when you land and also the rumble on the ground. What I can say for flight is the 6dof is great, but it is pricey. The 6dof in DCS is amazing and the feeling from the surge when you get catapulted off the carrier is always fun. Also, in Elite Dangerous the 6dof is definitely a plus. My concern with the YAW2, besides what I mentioned above from the original question, is I'm trying to determine how much negative pitch it can give you. Looks like the down isn't anywhere near what the pitch up is because those legs for the pedal tray stick out so far. Also, I'm trying to figure out how cumbersome it will be to get in and out of it when you have a full HOTAS installed. I'm anxious to hear some practical reviews once that thing is more in people's hands. I think at this point I'd wait to see what the YAW2 reviews look like when they come out. The YAW2 Could be the perfect motion platform for Flight Simmers, especially if they actually produce the "Heave" mod that I saw a demo of on their webpage. With so many unknowns on the YAW2 (strength, noise, software, etc.) it might be worth the wait. Then of course if the YAW2 ends up not being as good as we all hope... you can then be confident in your DOF Reality choice. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching my content. Good luck in your decision making.
Lots of people wanted to see FS2020 so here is my video of the gameplay in the H6. I started a new series so I can accommodate specific gameplay requests. Please let me know if you like this kind of contend and I'll make more like it. Thanks for the suggestion, you are part of the reason this video was made. ruclips.net/video/9mCNr3tDmJo/видео.html
Not sure, doesn't it show up on their website for you? dofreality.com/order/ Mine is in USD at $5697 but don't know if it is an exact conversion to Pounds or if they price it differently. Remember if you use the code GYGO you get 5% off too. Sorry I couldn't help more but I live where I live.
@@mikecowdrey2891Well that is weird for sure. I just have to select the H6 in the drop down, tell it where I live for shipping and it shows me the price. I don't know if this helps, but for me with shipping to the UK AND my discount code I get a total of $5808 USD... if you convert that to Pounds it is 4554.40 but I don't know if that is how DOF Does it. Sometimes companies keep it the same in Pounds as it is USD so I'd say you are somewhere between 5808 and 4554. That is the best I can do for you... so weird that you can't access the price on the webpage. You could also email them and get a final quote... that might be your best option.
You don't need a P6 anymore with the SFU Gears. As I mentioned in your other comment "you'll notice this video is over a year old so just like everything else, prices are on the rise. What still holds true is that the DOF Reality is still roughly half the price of the competition (which is now closer to $13,000). I don't see the prices coming down anytime soon so if this is something you are interested in."
Great video, probably the best out there on DOF Reality. I’m looking at buying the H3. You mentioned wanting the P6 to get more travel. Do you still feel that want now given that the SFU upgrades provide more travel?
Actually I am just wrapping up a new video finalizing our experience with the SFU, and I specifically asked DOF Reality if there is now any advantage to the P series. They said Movement is exactly the same on both P and H series now with the new gearboxes. The only thing you gain is more longevity for the motors themselves. So to answer your question, the H Series should be just fine unless you are running an arcade or something. Thanks for the comment and watching our stuff!
The fact that this guy produces such high quality, informative videos yet gets so few views just proves again RUclips is broken.
Well "this guy" really appreciates YOUR view, your comment and the compliment. Thank you for visiting!
Good honest feedback! Glad you mentioned the p6 series also
Yes for sure... However with the new SFU Gearboxes I got to the performance of the P6 so really you don't need a P Series anymore unless you are running an arcade with the motion platform going 8 hours a day straight.
@@GYGOtv gotcha! I figured you still preferred the little extra motion range
Excellent review. Clearly worded, making your comments easy to see and understand. The shipping for the P3 from Ukraine to Hawaii was $400.00. This was for two boxes that weighed a total of 130 pounds. Yes, a good amount of money. But when you think about it, the shipping cost was reasonable. Very fair, I thought. It flew thousands of miles to get here, and it arrived in a week.
Although still in the boxes, after giving it some thought, not to mention hearing your views of DOF Reality's product, there is contemplation to get one more order placed for the P6 upgrade. It seems like a great way to experience the feeling of motion sims.
Thank you for a good video. Subscribed to your channel. Take care. Aloha!
K Inouye Honolulu, Hawaii
Thanks for the comments and the Sub... I Love Hawaii and can't wait to get back someday! Yep, those extra 3 dof are awesome. If you drive, it is cool cuz it has the road bumps with the heave and surge really works well. For flying those extra 3 dof just add to the overall experience and the heave when you land is awesome. I don't think you will be disappointed with the upgrade if you decide to do it!
I will watch your every episode. When you make a purchase two things need to be consider is a shipping fee and custom fee. Total pay for Dof H3 to my country nearly 5,000 USD.
I appreciate the support and the comment! yes shipping was around $500 when I bought mine (live in USA), but when you consider it is still only half the price of the competition I still think it is a good deal even with the shipping! This thing is huge and heavy and comes in 2 big boxes, so at least you can understand why shipping is high.
you could take and extend the arms that connect the Motion Motors and the Rods that connect the seat together and that should give you more DOF. if the Rod is 5 inches long from factory and you make them 8 inches you would increase your degrees of movement. now im sure that there is a scientific mathematical equation to figure out just how long they would be that would changed your H6 from 17DOF to the desired 21DOF... or more for that matter.
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. I wish it was as simple as that. One of the problems I see with doing that is the arms would hit the floor when they move to their extremes. I also checked with DOF and they said the motors are at their limits and would overheat if you extended the arms, plus all the geometry would be messed up for the software. I guess that's why you need the P-Series motors, they obviously have more power to move more.
Another reason to seriously consider the P-series over the H, is the P motors are more powerful and they move 50% faster (75 cm/sec vs 50 cm/sec). This may be more desirable for sim racers since response time is a common criticism for motion by racers who have tried a motion system (I don't think any of the posts I've seen had tried a DOF Reality P-series).
Me, I'm interested in the P3 because the only thing I do is sim racing & I don't have much interest in rally so the heave of a P6 wouldn't be that helpful.
Hi lewisgordon, I've talked to lots of P-Series owners and most say the difference isn't really noticeable, and with the new SFU gears, the motion range is the same now. The big reason for the P-series from what most people tell me is that they will not burn out if used like 8 hours a day on a regular bases like in a VR Arcade, otherwise pretty much everyone says save your money and just get the H motors now. I will tell you that some people think the H6 is even more important for racing even when it isn't rally because it gives you lots of movement cues that help you feel what the car is doing. If you are interested, Jeff Weaver talks more about that here ( ruclips.net/video/lsPbbYEy95s/видео.html ) Hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv thanks for your response. I'm now leaving heavily to the H-series.
Pross the biggest reason I was looking at the P3 is for the traction loss & almost all motion sims can't give sustained G's, so I was planning to combine it w/ a Simexperience GS-5 G seat, which can give sustained forces, heave, and surge by moving the plates under & in back of the seat.
Also H6 ($5,697) is almost identical in price to a H3 ($2527) & a GS 5 seat ( $2,999) at $5526 + tax & shipping.
Edit: if I got a H3 w/ the SFU upgrade I would think it should be less than $200 per motor if ordered w/ the rig but by how much? (not a serious question to you)
@@lewisgordon1490If you are close to buying, you can use my code "GYGO" and it should save you about 5%. Tough call on the H6 vs. H3 and GS5 seat... I think it would be great either way.
Can't you put a longer lever arm on the motor to increase range of motion by a few degrees? As long as you raise the base slightly to clear the floor and the software can account for it this could be an easy way to add more range.
Hi AVGVSTVS, no you can't because the motors would overheat according to DOF Reality. BUT if you watch my newer video ruclips.net/video/Vd5aCnDFRYI/видео.html about the SFU Gearbox upgrade, it is basically doing what you are talking about and getting more motion from the rig. Now with the new gearboxes we get motion to the point where the problem is the geometry of the rig hitting itself during movement. SO the SFU upgrade basically maxes out the movement of this type of motion platform. Hope that answers your question.
great video. to the point. short and sweet. and you dont fucking film yourself the entire video like most people. again, great job. thank you
im definitly going with this setup. the ability to start low end and upgrade is absolutly awesome. 95% of anyone who is interested in getting into sims cant afford to start off with a 6-10 k setup. and if its your first set up you have no fucking clue if it will be worth it or you will enjoy it. one so cheap alleviates all that worry.
@@frankthoman4894 I think that is a good idea, and it is so cool upgrading is even an option. I can tell you, just adding motion makes a huge difference in the sim experience. Something about even a little movement making you feel like you are not glued to the floor in an office chair is amazing. As for filming myself, I try to add relevant footage when I can but I think I've been guilty of the "film myself the whole time" too. I'm pretty sure I did that on my Facebook/Metabook Rant a week ago. I'll try to keep those to a minimum if possible. Thanks for the views!
Have you tried the H6 with a helicopter (Xplane 11, Aerofly FS2 or MSFS?) I'm wondering if you get the feeling of hovering or if you can feel the skids come off the ground.
No I haven't, don't own any of those. I'd guess the motion would be pretty good with the pitch, roll and yaw but I really can't say for sure. Sorry.
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Nice review on the purchase. The DOF reality support group on facebook (DOFRealityBuilders) may be the best I have seen. Its built from the customers and not the company. The mods you can do are amazing !! Keep the videos coming.
Agreed! They are getting mentioned in the next video that covers the core build... I got a ton of info and great ideas from that group. I highly recommend anyone into this stuff join the group and you should join the motion sim builders group too! (MotionSimBuilders)
nice video bro im new at this my question i what kind of pc do you need to have to run it and how do you hook it up to pc i have a alienware r12 10900k with rtx 3080 graphics card 32 gb of ram and the reverb g2 lol which i love but want to feel more emersive
Thanks Richard, appreciate the view. Not sure what the min specs are now but your system is more than able. Hookups for the H6 are basically 2 USB ports (one for each control box) and then you run the SRS software so the PC and Motion Rig can talk to each other. The biggest thing is the power requirements. FROM THE MANUAL: "For US and 110-120 volt power supply countries you must use two different power cords (each plugged into a separate outlet), one for each control box! Each line current can only handle 15 Amp and peak power consumption of the two combined boxes can be more than your breaker can handle, resulting in the breaker to fail, if this happens you will have to reset your breaker to this part of the house." So you almost want a dedicated circuit to be sure you wont have problems. Some people don't have any issues with this and some do... it just depends on the wiring of your house and how much load is on them currently. I had 2 separate 20amp breakers installed (along with heavy gauge wiring) that each go to a single box... but I tend to do things to the extreme. Other than that, you will likely need a USB Hub to plug all your controllers into and a seat, plus any other customizations you want to do. I will warn you, these systems are not plug an play, so plan on spending some time getting things running. To maximize the effect, you have to "tune" the platform through the software for every title you are going to play. Some games, like Project Cars 2 and MS Flight Sim 2020, you actually tune each vehicle you drive/fly Also, DOF is just now releasing new Gearboxes with their systems which seem to greatly improve movement... you will want to make sure you get the "SFU Gearboxes" if you order one. Review on it on the way as we are currently upgrading my system as we speak. Hope that helps, and let me know if you have any other questions. Be sure to watch the other parts of this series if you haven't yet and that will give you a better idea of what you are getting into here.
@@GYGOtv Thank you for the most valuable information you gave me just a thought maybe you would like to do a video on what you explain to me It would be a great week thanks again my friend
@@richardPalmisano Thank you for watching my content! I already discuss the electrical requirements in my Part 3 video ruclips.net/video/RNk-c88FNtA/видео.html but that is a great suggestion to cover some of the other topics. I'll see about doing that once the SFU upgrade work is done and video is uploaded. Appreciate you being a GYGO viewer!
Nice video! Thanks! Do you have MSFS 2020? Very interesting to watch video about your platform + VR G2 in this new flight simulator
I do have MSFS 2020 and have already logged a bunch of hours it in trying to sort it all out. I can tell you it feels pretty amazing, not as action packed as a racing title, but the banking and especially the descending are really realistic. I've also got the heave turned up so when I land I really feel the runway. Plus with the Buttkicker it really gives you the prop vibration on most of the planes.
I've been trying to figure out how to video the screen without it being in the "lens" mode where it looks like binoculars. Would it bug you if the gameplay footage wasn't full screen and was in that circle pattern we get from VR? Either way, I'm planning on doing something with both it and DCS sooner rather than later.
Thanks for the suggestion, apparently lots of people wanted to see FS2020 gameplay too. Here is my video I hope you enjoy it. I started a new series so I can accommodate specific gameplay requests. Please let me know if you like this kind of contend and I'll make more like it. Your comment is one of the reasons I made this video. ruclips.net/video/9mCNr3tDmJo/видео.html
Very informative! I wish I'd done better research a couple of years ago before I got the Next Level V3 (seat mover and flightsim frame only). THIS is really what I need for DCS and FS2020! Now that I'm in the market, I'm really wondering if the P6 is worth the extra money as you indicate (4 more degrees of movement)? I'm just about ready to pull the plug on this as I await the arrival of my Aero 😅
The P6 vs. H6 is a hard question to answer for someone else but I'll try to do my best. First this only applies to flight sims, that 21 degree boost probably won't feel much different in racing games. So for me, in flight sims, I would initiate a climb and the seat would start to tilt back and it always "felt" like it was stopping just a little too soon (reached the limit of the machine) and it just felt like I wanted just a little bit more out of it. Does 2 degrees make a real difference? Well let me tell you a quick story to try and answer that.
After I made the last H6 video I did a readjustment. Originally I mounted my seat at zero degrees when neutral in the sim. We unmounted the seat and added some washers to the front and basically got -2 degrees (to the rear) out of that change. Now when I pull back on the stick it gets me just to the point where my weight shifts and it feels a lot more like I wanted it to. Now that did take away from the descending motion... but it was already pretty strong so it actually kind of balanced it out. So in this situation that 2 degrees did make a difference because it got me to a sensation of weight transfer that I didn't have before.
In the end, I guess this is my recommendation to you. If the extra money isn't going to put a large strain on your budget and you want the absolute best feeling you can get out of it.... do the P6. If that extra money will put you in any kind of a bind financially, or you don't really need the ultimate experience then stay with the H6. Considering your are getting an AERO... I'm going to assume you likely fall into the first category. I don't think the 4 degrees extra will be THAT noticeable... but it can make a difference if it gets you to that weight transfer stage.
So the obvious next question to ask is, now that I made that seat adjustment would I still want to go to the P6? The answer for me is YES, as much as that extra 2 degrees helped by tilting the seat, I'd love to add another 2 degrees on top of it. I hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv wow! That was a very detailed and helpful answer and I really appreciate your input and experimentation for a newb like myself, lol. Yes this is a lifelong hobby and passion of mine (dating back to my teens with a C-64 and Amiga-500) and I have literally thousands of dollars worth of high-end gear that I've purchased over the years. I build my own PCs and upgrade them every few years or so. I only do flight simulators. 😆 I'm also a real private pilot for the past 24 years, but I don't fly as much as I used to mainly due to time, job and family. So this is what keeps me going lol. It's an expensive hobby for sure, but still a lot cheaper than the real thing! The "hundred dollar hamburger" is more like the $300 dollar White Castle slider! 🤣 Anyhow, I will do a bit more research before making a choice. Oh, the Aero looks really good based on the reviews. I just sold my Pimax 8kx for half of what I paid for it in 2020, so that helped pay for the Aero. Wide FOV is nice, but ever since my first HMD (CV1) I've longed for the clarity that the Aero has! I'm going to subscribe and keep an eye on your great content! Thanks again.
@@redtailpilot Thanks for the sub! Former Amiga 1000 and 2500 owner here, along with the C64 too. Took my pilot lessons, but couldn't afford the actual flight hours so it stopped at that point. Hope you continue to enjoy the content.
@@GYGOtv awesome you took some actual flight lessons! Your story is quite common, but at least you did that much. Very few even get that far. It's a huge financial challenge, even moreso now than when I started. It's probably the number one reason for the high dropout rate among student pilots. In fact, it almost claimed me as well, lol. I ran up a credit card near the end of my training in order to finish. Then after getting it done, had to take a few years hiatus. My electrical career has propelled over the years which has allowed me to continue flying off and on over the years, so I'm thankful. Those Commodore computers were amazing in their day! I had a blast with mine, as I'm sure you did🙂
How loud is it would I be able to have one in an apartment and not get noise complaints?
Yes you should be fine, we insulated all the joints with rubber and the thing is very quite when running. The Buttkicker 2 Transducer is the loudest part of the rig and obviously you don't need to run one of those if you don't want to. We have a 5% discount code that will be in our next video that will come out Thursday if that helps with your purchase. Let me know if you have any other questions and thanks for watching.
Would an extension cord work for the h6 or does it need to be plugged directly into socket
I think a heavy duty one would work. You need it to be able to handle the higher amps. You might ask DOF just to be sure.
Where did you find this for under 5k? I can’t find it for anything less then $6500
Hi linopaini, well if you notice this video is over a year old so just like everything else, prices are on the rise. What still holds true is that the DOF Reality is still roughly half the price of the competition (which is now closer to $13,000). I don't see the prices coming down anytime soon so if this is something you are interested in, either find a good used one or get a new one sooner than later because I bet next year you won't even find one for $6500! Thanks for watching and the question.
Could a guy make a business out of this (offering high quality racing and flight VR experiences)? Just wondering, cuz I'm a business man and I'd love to do something like this. I could easily setup several stations. Great vid btw, I've subscribed.
Thanks for the SUB Marty. One could certainly make a business out of this, but I think there is a lot that must go into it to be successful. Email me if you want to talk more.
Hi. I like your video and im looking into DOF.. im new to all of these. but how can you compare DOF to as SR1? Thanks in advance
Hi Chloe, thanks for stopping by and watching the content. I've actually never heard of the SR1, but after taking a quick look, I can tell you that is only a 3dof system so you are losing a lot of motion and the price was still around $3000 USD. It also doesn't look like it comes with the actual framework so that will be an added expense. Degrees of motion were 6, which is pretty low too. I'd take a DOF over the S1 any day from my limited research.
@@GYGOtv Wow thank you for the detailed answer. Subscribed. Last question though, in DOF does it simulate like stalling when you dont shift properly or clutch properly? Again thank you. God Bless
@@chloeanne4305 First off, THANKS FOR THE SUB!!! So the effects aren't really controlled by the actual motion platform, it is all dependent on the telemetry from the game/sim. Also depends on how you set up the software as to how strong the "effects" are if they are in the game. I can tell you when I'm flying in a jet, I can feel the acceleration (slides me back) and the deceleration (throws me forward). In the racecars, the Acceleration tilts the seat way back and when you slam on the brakes it tilts forward but I never tried it with the clutch. I know the traction loss (feel of the backend sliding out) is a HUGE thing that most racers get excited about feeling. Go take a look at the end of this video, you can see the effects as I'm driving... but again no clutch. (ruclips.net/video/VxwCUUzOAyA/видео.html) at 6min 40sec.
I wonder if there is a better deal
Hi DGB, if you find one let me know. This was the best value out there in my opinion.
What’s your take on the Yaw2?
The Yaw2 is a very interesting piece that I have thought a lot about. At first glance I'd say PERFECT for flight sims because you get soooo much pitch out of it. But honestly its selling point seems to be the "YAW" function which can go 360. Honestly , yaw is much less impactful then pitch and roll in my flight sim experience (in fact I have the yaw turned way down in the H6 because even as much as it moves it is too much in relation to pitch and roll). Then you get the problem that all your HOTAS and VR headsets are wired so you are going to end up wrapping yourself up with the cords much like you do in roomscale, but with the actual simulator instead. Then you get in the problem of only 3dof so no surge like catapult launches from the carrier (which are awesome as I hope to show you guys in the near future), and no heave which plays a big part of feeling the runway when you land and takeoff. So for me, I don't think the trade off of more pitch is worth what you give up with 6dof. Plus I still think that thing may have balancing or rigidity issues with the pedal tray so far out there, but that is just a guess... I've never tried it.
@@shojo8708 That is an awesome design decision, well done. I hate to comment on the unit when I haven't tried it personally so all I can go on is what I see and what I've learned from my motion platform. I would love to try the YAW 2 to see how it does. The current concerns I have are first, a quest 2 isn't even close to high enough resolution to clearly read gauges on a flight sim cockpit so you will need to be wired for that experience. Second, it looks like getting into and out of the YAW 2 with a full HOTAS configuration may be cumbersome. I watched some videos of people flying and it looks like the controls are attached after they get in so much more difficult than jumping in and out of the H6. Please correct me if I'm wrong, again I am curious about the Yaw 2, just have some things I'd like answered first.
Hi,
Thanks for your great videos. I too am thinking of getting a motion simulator for use in VR with MSFT FS2020 and IL-2, Not really doing driving games.
I use a Valve Index. Really like the idea of the amount of pitch the YAW2 allows. Not really interested in 360 Yaw (especially with all the cable problems that could create.)
Are 2 DOFs enough for flight sims? Trying to decide if I should wait until YAW 2 is actually shipping or go with DOF now. (would definitely like to stay under $3000 USD).
If you were shopping right now, do you think you'd wait for the YAW2? Thanks so much.
@@stevealterman9287, This is an interesting question, with a lot to consider. First off, I'd recommend a DOF H3 minimum if you can afford it. That yaw is nice for the rudder pedals and as long as you don't overdo it, adds some nice motion to the overall feeling. If money is a serious constraint then a 2 DOF would probably get you 85% there and you could always add to it later. After playing IL-2 I don't think it has any Sway or Surge telemetry but there does seem to be some Heave but you have to turn it up pretty far to get it to work. I tweaked my settings after doing the Mark Plays... video on IL2 (ruclips.net/video/PNGR5F7l9HI/видео.html) and I can say it has been pretty fun to play and feels like I'm flying in the plane. Just FYI, the thing the Heave gets you is the jolt when you land and also the rumble on the ground. What I can say for flight is the 6dof is great, but it is pricey. The 6dof in DCS is amazing and the feeling from the surge when you get catapulted off the carrier is always fun. Also, in Elite Dangerous the 6dof is definitely a plus.
My concern with the YAW2, besides what I mentioned above from the original question, is I'm trying to determine how much negative pitch it can give you. Looks like the down isn't anywhere near what the pitch up is because those legs for the pedal tray stick out so far. Also, I'm trying to figure out how cumbersome it will be to get in and out of it when you have a full HOTAS installed. I'm anxious to hear some practical reviews once that thing is more in people's hands.
I think at this point I'd wait to see what the YAW2 reviews look like when they come out. The YAW2 Could be the perfect motion platform for Flight Simmers, especially if they actually produce the "Heave" mod that I saw a demo of on their webpage. With so many unknowns on the YAW2 (strength, noise, software, etc.) it might be worth the wait. Then of course if the YAW2 ends up not being as good as we all hope... you can then be confident in your DOF Reality choice.
Hope that helps, and thanks for watching my content. Good luck in your decision making.
this would be amazing with VR and FS2020
Lots of people wanted to see FS2020 so here is my video of the gameplay in the H6. I started a new series so I can accommodate specific gameplay requests. Please let me know if you like this kind of contend and I'll make more like it. Thanks for the suggestion, you are part of the reason this video was made. ruclips.net/video/9mCNr3tDmJo/видео.html
What's the UK price for the H6?
Not sure, doesn't it show up on their website for you? dofreality.com/order/ Mine is in USD at $5697 but don't know if it is an exact conversion to Pounds or if they price it differently. Remember if you use the code GYGO you get 5% off too. Sorry I couldn't help more but I live where I live.
@GYGOtv no ypu cam only use the buy now button. However it still don't give you a price once its been clicked on. Just asks details.
@@mikecowdrey2891Well that is weird for sure. I just have to select the H6 in the drop down, tell it where I live for shipping and it shows me the price. I don't know if this helps, but for me with shipping to the UK AND my discount code I get a total of $5808 USD... if you convert that to Pounds it is 4554.40 but I don't know if that is how DOF Does it. Sometimes companies keep it the same in Pounds as it is USD so I'd say you are somewhere between 5808 and 4554. That is the best I can do for you... so weird that you can't access the price on the webpage. You could also email them and get a final quote... that might be your best option.
And the p6 is 10k
You don't need a P6 anymore with the SFU Gears. As I mentioned in your other comment "you'll notice this video is over a year old so just like everything else, prices are on the rise. What still holds true is that the DOF Reality is still roughly half the price of the competition (which is now closer to $13,000). I don't see the prices coming down anytime soon so if this is something you are interested in."