Cutting hips on the end of a trussed roof ***12 HIP ROOF PART2***
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2022
- In this video I show how I set up the mono trusses on the end of the trusses on the main roof run, and then I cut and fit a complete hip end on the front section as I am still waiting for the long hip timbers for the main roof.
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The question being... Who's going in tomorrow?
I'm gonna give a go Lawrence😬 It'll be interesting to see what time I make it till🥵 Cheers Del
I always love seeing the Hips go in. It's up there with those real Carpentry skills like door hanging and staircases., looking forward to seeing more of this one.
Hi TE🖐It took me quite a long time to understand how to do hips, so I always get a kick out doing them and making a nice job🤩Thanks for watching and have a good week🥵Cheers Del
Timber.......highier price........lower quality , Great video Del great to see a Father and son working together !!
Sadly the quailty of timber today, comes no where close to what was available 20-40 years ago, some today is only fit for firewood..
I bet it wouldn't even produce much heat as firewood Stuart😬
Its seems to be par for the course now Michael😩 Thanks for watching and hope you don't melt this week🥵🤞
You are the only person that cuts half off the mono To alow for half the thickness of the truss like me ,I always ask that to every one I do a truss roof with
I don't get how so many guys cant get this into their heads Jason😵That end mono rafter CANNOT get to the true, geometric centre line of the truss without having half the truss thickness taken of it if it is the same length as the truss rafter chord👊 The best of it is bud, is that the truss drawing shows the mono not reduced and the truss line pushed back🤯Thanks for watching fella😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter same, I started questing myself, keep them coming 👍😁
@@jasonjoyce752 😉🤩
Lovely watch as always del, nice to see you working with your son. I’ve run another wall plate across the ceiling joist when the timbers aren’t thick enough just to get a birds mouth, keep them coming mate👍💪🏼
Hi there🖐 I actually saw this as a bonus not having to cut all the birds mouths, as it made the infilling pretty quick👊(Ill be lazy if I can get away with it🤫) Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
If you're lad doesn't know it already, he's the envy of a good few who'd love to pick up some trade skills from you dude.
Hi Tomo 🖐 He's a really good lad and got himself a job at a bike shop last year, and isn't scared to work, and knows that if he wants something in this world, you have to work for it👊Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
Nice one Del. Good you see you passing on some knowledge onto your son. My son is back from University, so I’ve had him help me with some tacking, being 6’3” it certainly helps putting the ceilings up. 🚴👍
He sounds like the perfect tacking partner Barry 👊Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del
Absolutely brilliant tall carpenter, as I’ve said to you before, “A real artisan carpenter “…………class
Old school carpenter...
Thanks for watching Alfie🤩and your kind words😎Cheers Del
1980's baby👊
Your a great tradesman and your boy is lucky to be learning from you but please teach him the most important thing on site health and safety hard hat boots and gloves I’ve been a joiner for 38 years great to see a fellow tradesman with some pride in his work.Keep up the good work
I hear you Tam, and I was a bit lapse with him on that day😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Great video del, you have a great ability to explain what you are doing and why, very much appreciated 👍
I appreciate your comment Paddy🤗as I never know if I'm making it easy or difficult trying to explain what I'm doing👍Thanks for watching bus and have a good week😎Cheers Del
Great video nice to have your lad working with you I didn’t see him once oni his phone 😂😂.Liking the hat .👍
He left his phone in the van Ian🤯He's a good lad🤗Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Nice clean and neat work as always Del 💪🏻
Cheers Aidan🤗Thanks for watching bud 😎
You’re making a cracking job of that considering everything against you! I agree with you, there is a lot of satisfaction with roofing when everything planes in perfect 👍🏻👌🏻😎
Too right Matt👊and there is the long flank on the back that has all sorts of bits of roof in its plane, and its come out a treat😎Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
Great job once again. Dont know why I was chuffed for you showing off that hip rafter. Like there was ever a doubt 😁😁👏👏👏
I got a 50% success rate on that hip end John🤔One went in fist time and the other need a little 'tickle'😉Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Nice Del. 👊🏻. Good to see young TC helping out. 🔨🎥
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Hi Dan🖐He did well mate, to be honest, and it's a shame he's already got another job and I couldn't have him with me more😪Thanks for watching bud and hope you have a sweaty week🥵🤩
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Excellent job mate 👍
Cheers Tyler🤩
Indeed we do all make mistakes, not everyone admits them. Loving the channel. 👏👏👏👏👏
I didn't see any mistakes
We sure do all make mistakes Alistair😮I think it would be dishonest of me not to show some of the ones I make👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
I got some ceiling timbers on the wrong side of the line that needed altering Andrew😮
Every job I.ve done seems to have some stupid mistake...all comes good in the end. 40 years of make do and mend!😀
Very well explained Del. Cutting hips in I'm saying cut it long Paul cut it long 🤣. It's a thing of beauty when it fits snug. I taught you had bought Dan Cox roofing square , just like to see you use it on the hips. Great video 🪚🔨👍😎🇮🇪
Your wish is about to be granted Paul, as I do a little feature on how great Dan's square is for doing the repetitive hip birds mouths👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
You need a second pair of Peltors for the young fella Del 😉
I've got him a few more bits of PPE for the next time he helps me Doug👍Cheers
Thanks for the video del must be great having your son on site with you 👍🏻
I loved having with me John🤗Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Excellent work... one could really trust you doing a job...I imagine you're in high demand... very inspiring, learnt me lots..I saw an American joinery video on RUclips, they were knocking 4 inch nails in with one swipe.mustve been wet wood!
Hi Andrew🖐I do turn vast amounts of work away, but there is quite a shortage of decent guys in my neck of the woods, which doesn't help😵💫Thanks for your kind words 😊 Cheers 😎
I think you're awesome.. great channel
That's a very kind comment Chevyimp 🤩 Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Another great watch T.C. As always, I’m looking at all of that roof structure and wondering how you get it all together 😁😁👍👍
Hi Brian🖐Once you understand the fundamentals of the roof and digest the drawing, its actually just like a giant jigsaw👊Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
As Shakira said. Hips don't lie
That's brilliant bud😆 'Shakira, Shakira' 🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Excellent. Will you do a video doing the facia and soffit on this build?
Absolutely Christopher👊I'm doing a stand alone video on the soffit and fascia👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Fantastic once again big man.As they say" you cant make honey out of shite".Credit to the Profession.
I'd not heard that before Aaron🤣Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
nice one....the master at work...hats off..considering the amount of things that have gone wrong with that roof you've completely obliterated the issues and pulled it off as thou nothing was out of sorts...
It was a shakey start Arthur, but nothing catastrophic😲It's finished now, and I'm really happy with it👊More videos to come👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Looking really good love watching your stuff even though I do it all day haha do u put binders in on top of the ceiling cords wedged under the rafters u could even birdsmouth them if u wanted or do u think the fixings do the job on its own ?
Hi Lee🖐I know what you mean about running a binder under the rafters on top of the joists, but the nailing detail where the rafter is fixed to the joist is more than adequate and advised by the truss designer👊Thanks for your comment bud, and I do it all day and still watch others doing it on YT when I get home😵Cheers Del
What with all the hurdles on that job, im glad it was satisfying in the end Del. Good man
Hi Johnny🖐The job has definitely turned out great bud as you'll see in the next 2 videos👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Del Excellent Job again. Quick question can you use the nail gun to hang the joist hangers ?
Thanks
Mark
Hi Mark🖐The nail gun is not suitable for the joist hangers, as it shoots the wrong nails for starters👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
its flipin murder when timber is like a helter skelter like. noticed your combi square is all imperial markings.. same as mine. confuses a lot of people when they pick it up. got one of those big stanley roofing squares in my van too.
I found that square in a box of junk in a demolished shed Paul😵It's from the US, and goodness knows how it got to my little corner of England🤯Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter 😂😂 I found mine in a loft in an empty house. Gave it a new home
Looking good. Cutting the hips in by hand does add an awful lot of interest to the job. I wouldn't mind really if mine came like that it would relieve the boredom. Not likely to happen. Most Aussie chippies can't cut and pitch. So big timber meccano kit it is. And I saw the weather prediction for our end of the country was up to 40C. What is happening in the UK. People will be dropping like flies. You will have 12 months of sunshine next like Qld.
The weather has going crazy over here Dave🥵and as usual, many people will be making a drama out of it😆 Seriously though, it can be risky for the elderly, so we gotta watch out for them🤗 (and there will still be some moron who will leave their dog in their car while they 'pop to the shops'🤯) Cheers Del
Del, I know it is your years of experience that makes it look easy but I take my hat off you that hand cut section of the roof is fantastic; if it were me then it would take a month of Sundays to work out the angles and I would be measuring once and cutting 10 times to get it right. Well done mate and it is nice to see the young'n taking time out to help his old dad out and away from the screens! Is he looking to follow in your footsteps? a s I don't think he could ask for a better, more professional chippie to learn from.
Thanks for your great comment Michael🤗and like most things in life, if you spend long enough doing it, you can make it look easy👊 I'm not sure what my lad is going to do, but he is interested in agriculture plus making things like me👍Cheers Del
Quick tip on how I do my hip cuts. I do both 45 cuts from the top. Using a sharp pencil mark your first hip plumb line, then measure the thickness of your timber square off of that line and mark another hip plumb cut line, the cut through the furthest one on the 45 the come back and cut the other one. No need to flip the hip over. Give it a go let me know what you think!
Hi Adam🖐I know exactly what you mean bud, and that is how we used to find the compound top cut when we used to hand cut them👊I'll give it a go on my next hip set😉Cheers Del
We use the middle mono to position the first full truss and never cut the mono.I only put a one way splay cut on the top of my hip and clap it against the mono too. It's probably the wrong thing to do technically but a lot of our hips are about 8m long and i think half the thickness of a hip out top to bottom is fair enough. You ought to have videoed changing your adjustable square from common to hip cut cos a lot of joiners don't know the beauty of this feature.
@@stevehallam6495 Hi Steve🖐I know I set my stall out way to precisely when I'm fitting these trusses, and I use the bottom chord of the mono to set the double girder, and I set the last 'common' truss half the span of the hip end back up the main run minus half the rafter thickness👊Thanks for your comment and I hope you haven't been up on a roof today🥵Cheers Del
Yup, that's how I do my hip plumb cuts, 👍🔨🇮🇪
Is it worth jacking up that truss to take the deflection out? Then once the roof is complete, chances are it will hold, you could also add hangers(timber) and binders(old school ceiling spa style) from the hips to add rigidity? Ive also got my hands on some german screws designed for metal joist hangers and metal timber connections, they are a life saver in tight spots!
Hi Matthew🖐The deflection has been 'built in' so not a cat in hells chance of doing anything about😬And I'm gonna search for those German screws👍Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
Built in? Poor trusses or part of some design? Eurotec 945232 are the screws let me know what you think!
@@Goodwithwood69 Sorry, not 'built in' by design, more 'built in' and and be 'un built'😵Thanks for the name of those screws👍
As the joiner doing the roof everything has to be correct or the roofers won’t be able to get over it we do the hard work roofers take the cream lol
I guess thats the same for a lot of things we do bud🤔and why, if you make a good job, you get a good reputation amongst the guys coming in behind you👍Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Del, great video, good that you have good help. Does your son want to be a carpenter? You said you couldn’t birds mouth the jack rafters. As the weight of the roof is on the nails, as I assume they didn’t quite sit on the plate. Do you have to put brackets or clips on at a later date? I love your roof videos as I still learn so much from you. I have done a few roofs in the past and get by but I’m a bit slow as I check everything again and again. I had to put a trussed roof on a local hospital. I was pleased the way it went but I could have been a bit faster (Nobody moaned) and my mate didn’t know any more then me. They were big so we had a crane go lift them in. Thanks Del.
Hi Jerry🖐 Those rafters each have 4 nails fixing them to the sides of the ceiling joists which is more than enough and actually no different to how they are fixed to the hips👍I don't see taking a bit longer to complete a job properly as an issue, and as long as you, and everyone else was happy with the work you did, then what does how long it took matter👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter thanks for your reply Del. Ok thanks for putting me straight on that. I certainly wasn’t questioning you on that, more asking your advice. Look forward to your next video. Take care in this heat Del
@@hi-tech55 Lots of fluids this week Jerry🥵Take care yourself bud
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks Del.
i'd have done the same as Del. Be fine fived through the ceiling joist.
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Thanks for watching Pete😎Cheers Del
Great video Del boy 👌 truss manufactures seem to be getting worse mate😫 did your son enjoy working with you.
Hi Andrew🖐We both enjoyed working together which was really nice🤩Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Is the young tall carpenter going to follow his dad into the trade?
Who knows Billy🤔He is very interested in agriculture, but is shaping up to be a top GB rower, both single and double sculling🤞Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Hi Del from north of the border aka the land of the “dwangs” lol. Nice work sir. Is your son following in your career footsteps? All the best pal.
Hi Paul🖐He is very keen on agriculture and also a top level rower, so who knows what he might do🤔He's quite bright and would make an excellent tradesmen if wanted to👍Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I’m sure he will do well in whatever career path he chooses. Thanks Del
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We had a big valley set last year that a) didn't match the pitch of the main trusses and b) didn't even match each other. Spent about an hr doubting our technique (of 20+yrs!) Because we didn't think they could vary by as much as they did with modern manufacturing techniques!
The most frustrating thing in the world
The thing is Pete, we immediately think that its something we've done wrong, or are not getting, and we actually have to spend loads of time tying to diagnose where the problem is, AND then work out a solution😬 Great comment bud and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
It's a shame the supplied timber was so poor, great effort pulling that hip in mate
We are seeing more and more really poor quality timber lately Ashley😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
During my limited cut roof experiance I have never not needed to cut a birdsmouth. Thats all the tile weight being carried by the ring nails and the rafter brackets? Respectfuly Mike
Hi Michael🖐There's little difference between how the rafter is fixed at the bottom to how it is fixed at the top (to the hip), and the nails have fantastic holding power. The entire weight of one end of this roof sits in a joist hanger that is nailed to a single truss, this truss is then just nailed to 2 more trusses to form a tripple, at no more than 600mm centres🤯
What a nice way to make your comment. Shows the caliber of the man and the majority of your Del. Michael stood strongly and respectfully by his belief and your retort was just as cordial. I often see other so called trades who badmouth each other and each have as little knowledge. This is very nice to see 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻.
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@@gerardfarrell3135 The tone of Michaels comment is what dictated the tone of my reply. There used to be a time when most people could express a difference of opinion without resorting to abuse and insults, and I am quite fortunate to have commenters like Michael, you and many others who still posses the ability put across a different view in a rational and intelligent manor, making it easy to engage with👍
If you consider the weight on an individual rafter nailing through the ceiling joist is fine. If the tiles were heavy enough to make this move the jacks would be sliding down the hip.
Invest in a positive placement gun, best purchase I’ve ever made, no more hand driving nails into truss clips and hangers
I'd buy one in a heartbeat Ben, but my builders wouldn't pay for the nails to go in it😩 Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
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Cheers Wayne😎
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Ey up fellas🤗Awesome to chat to you guys over the weekend👊Stay frosty this week🥵
Also, buy yourself a ppn nailer. We didn't think we could justify the extortionate price they think they can charge, but had a job a month ago with 120 pieces of metal work... Did them in about an hr and it had pretty much paid for itself in 1 job.
I'd love to get one Pete, but my builders just keep buying MASSIVE boxes of 35mm twist nails because they are cheap😵I think I need to put my foot down and just invest in a gun and put the nails on the bill👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter honestly it's up there with the 1st fix for time saving. we got the DeWalt so the gasless nails were cheaper. Apart from the plasterboard collator I can't think of a tool that has saved us more time when we're on a price (not to mention the bashing the fingers don't get!)
The Bostitch strapshot pneumatic nailer is on my list, paired with my flexvolt compressor I believe it will be a winning combo, 👍🔨🇮🇪
What a pig of a roof that looks Del but you smashed it buddy 🧱👍🏼
It's looking good now Steve👊Thanks for your comment bud🤗Cheers Del
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You could have used a pole plate to create a new height for a birds mouth.
Hi there🖐I could have done that but it would have created unesesary work as the jack rafters are fine nailed into the ceiling joists👊I have done it on other roofs though👍Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Top job as always del. Give our new roofing page a follow. Loads of new content coming from us.👍⚒
Hi there🖐I'll check it out👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
I've fitted a few trusses myself and all been out, Factory fitted on a jig how can they be out ?
The traditional in me would a hand cut roof been easier
I've worked with a few people and they ' I don't have problems, I have solutions ' good work getting over the issues, I would of been 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😆
Who knows what happens between the design office and the factory floor Ian😬 A problem is just an opportunity for a solution, and the building industry is all about getting over issues👊Great comment and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Can you not just send the truss pack back ?? Barely fit for purpose?
No chance of that Mark😬We're there to fit it and the problems only become apparent once you've started work on it😩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I feel your pain. There is nothing worse than making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. We have been there too. Keep smiling
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15:40...No birdsmouths ??. Surely you dont expect 4 nails on each rafter ... to stop the roof from sitting down on the wallplate ?
(or am I missing something ?) Great work otherwise.
Hi Jim🖐In this age of ever more cautious structural engineers massively over speccing timbers and fixings, we are slowly forgetting just how strong the simple nail is🤔I'm more than happy with the strength of this joint, but more importantly, so is the truss designer who specced it👊Thanks for your comment and for watching🤩Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks Del but it looked odd to me.(electrical engineer) I just dont understand the logic of not having maybe a plastic shim to bear the load onto the wall plate. I am not questioning the strength of the "joint" but the massive downward forces in play. Just watched your played hip video and it completely lost me, Brilliant.
Frustrating job waiting for stuff to turn up and in the heat too makes it worse!! Time for another weather video?!! I bet you aren’t looking forward to this week’s prediction of 40 degrees. I know a few who have decided not to work.
Hi Iain🖐I'll be up on this roof starting the soffit and fascia when this 40° heat hits🥵I wonder how long I'll be able to stick it for😵Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Solutions from experience,now making progress 👍🪚
We're rolling now Mark🤩Cheers Del