Just a update as someone who actually owns this laptop and have longer than probably most people. MSI released a update for the track pad and it's finally working correctly. You can now hold and drag for as long as you want. Thank God! Unfortunately, if you do the update. All your bios settings will be lose. You will have to redo undervolt, redo memory 5600 setting, and all that. It's kinda annoying because you have to go thru like 8 different settings for all this but oh well. Now the laptop is flawless except for the atrocious battery life of course!
You don’t ever buy the MSI Titan 18 for battery life, just the full desktop level performance experience that’s portable. On this promise, MSI delivers. Also, if you buy a portable PSU, or generator, battery life is not a problem anymore. Get massive amounts of watts 1600W minimum for your MSI PSU and that 192 GB of 5500 Mhz DDR5 RAM! The fact that the standard charger for the Titan 18 HX is literally a 400W charger tells you all you need to know! MSI Titan 18 HX is the only laptop on the market with 192 GB max DDR5 RAM capacity.
@@WristWatcher Hey man just get the laptop you like. I absolutely love my MSI Titan 18. Ive had every single top model and this is the one I stuck with and the gt77. Real world nothing from my exp performs just as good and cools just as good. Do what works for you tho. Good luck
@@TreyveonMoses-m6j What do you do for a living bro, if you don't mind me asking? Just looking for a bit of motivation as im currently working on affording this beast of a machine
No offense, but why would you buy a laptop like this? This is too big and chunky to be a mobile powerhouse. Isn't it better to build a PC compared to this.
their high end laptops are made of the same crappy plastic. and use the same chassis design thought process, they suck, i can not stop telling people about this because of how disappointed i was by my ewaste. i paid 1500 euros for that thing and it was so much worse than anything i got from lenovo. but currently id only buy from asus.
@@user-yx1qk4sk5t im not sure about the titan specifically, I've never been interested in this type of desktop replacement laptop. fuck it maybe I'm wrong right now and they actually changed material on their higher end stuff i sure as hell ain't checking because having to deal with a laptop that's literally falling apart from the hinges being shit and ripping the brittle plastic they used, not fun and they're not ever getting my money again no matter how good their products are, and i didn't even get tricked into buying a lower end product for more than it was worth at that time, that was pretty damn close to buying it straight off of them price wise. just so displeased with the quality of the material at that time, especially the hinges, if the material is bad it's fine. because if it breaks i probably dropped it, but i don't want it falling apart because they couldn't make hinges out of metal. or they were linked up with plastic like they did on the model i got back then
Currently, there's no need to physically click on the touchpad; every action can be completed with a simple tap. This functionality is thanks to Windows Precision drivers, which are pre-installed on Windows laptops.
it's been a feature on synaptics drivers for like 25 years. I don't like it though and bunch of users don't. especially the double tap for drags is error prone
Also when he said it was nightmare to drag stuff around and when demonstrating it he was out of the track pad, that a skill issue not the track pads fault.... you can't expect to keep draging stuff outside of the trackpad and it working
@@JarrodsTechI like & appreciate this review as an MSI user, I also hope you review the Raider 18 HX. As the touchpad diff might be a simple compromise, for the same 4k scn, or not..m
Spoiler, not worth it. This laptop just makes zero sense to me. An 8lb laptop using a year old GPU and costs double the price of a desktop which would dominate it. Also, I know there's a trend to increase screen resolution, but I can't see that making sense for a "gaming" laptop.
So don't buy it. I won't either as I don't think $8K is worth it, but MSI wouldn't keep bother making these if they didn't sell enough of them to make it worthwhile for them.
@greebj Not to mention, bitching about weight is kinda silly for a true desktop replacement. It's not like a person's going to be whipping this out willy-nilly on the subway or something. These wire armed wimps need to hit the weight room if 8lbs is too much.
Always full desktops are better in terms of price to performance. But these devices are targeted for people that move a lot so for them desktop argument doesnt make sense.
Had they included an NPU even if it was just on a separate die it would be a notable change. The 13980HX that preceeded it was already a god damned beast. Being able to accelerate low end AI workloads without spooling up the GPU or putting high load on the CPU would be good.
Pity they got rid of the finger print reader. I have the gt77 and I use the fingerprint reader when the camera stops working or I’m wearing a VR headset.
Hi Jarrod, very nice video. Fun Fact: Doesn't matter the price of the laptop, the camera ALWAYS will be bad!! ahah Can't wait to see the review of others 18 inches laptops since i want to buy one. You should try to buy the best cooling pad, the IETS 626 i think it will be amazing because you will see the difference. You can gain -20 degrees with that one on your tests.
@@JarrodsTech most do but should be a standard for all reviews because that info helps a lot with making the final decision whether the laptop is worth the purchase. I didn’t notice it in the 2024 Scar 18 review : (
I have had a msi, after 1 year the hinge is broken out of the case, this case looks similar. Changed 2019 to xmg/Schenker, no Problems. First class Service. Never every msi. Yesterday I ordered a new xmg 😊.
It is just mind boggling that they removed GT77's real rgb light bar ... And replaced with these diagonal neon blue plasticky bits. Like, i would understand if they removed it to tone down 'gamer aesthetics' for a wider appeal, but it's just worse.
90 watt limit is pretty lame for the cpu. my 7i pro 13900hx can get up to 160+ without throttling for a minute with the liquid metal, surprised to see them limit it so much given it's size?
I would honestly take this review with a grain of salt. J has never showed too much love to MSI for whatever reason. I'm a consumer. I bought all the big boy laptops this year and MSI won. Build quality is amazing, screen was better than them all, keyboard is fantastic, speakers are great, YOU CAN RUN MEMORY AT 5600 AS MINE DOES AND OTHERS BUT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, the cooling is phenomenal but the fans will be loud to you cry babies who cant deal with it. I sleep with white noise so I love the fan sound levels, it relaxes me. It's very powerful, fast, super reliable, looks great in person, the track pad is easy to get used to but the not being able to drag stuff is a real issue. I hate that so much. The glass area on the track pad gets way too many fingerprints. The build material definitely doesn't do as good as plastic with making it feel less hot. The webcam is horrible. It should've had 3 usb c. Outside of those things nothing compares to this laptop. Don't let the Internet fool you. Oh and gizmo tech and even mine is hitting 32000 in cinebench so once again idk what's with Jarods numbers.
Jarrod, I was talking with xoticpc about this model and I am interested to see what you would recommend for my scenario. -4 days a week, 8hrs I’ll be estimating architectural plans -1 day a week, 8hrs I’ll be photo editing, web design & commerce management -3-4 days a week, 1-2hrs playing games -4-6 day a week, 1-hrs audio engineering using logic pro with many vst plugins -downloading lots of files -photo/video/vfx editing -using many web tools at once -gaming -audio engineering I’d like to be able to run a computer very low on power and cpu for my daily estimating work and have some custom maps for editing and gaming. Would you have any other best recommendation that may be better suited for me rather this model? Hope this gets to you, thanks!
would the gigantic m18 work for you? same manufacturer, metallic construction, a 4080/4090 that run at the highest possible performance that obliterate your xps in power, at the cost of weight, size, power draw, and well...cost
@@lsp6032 eeeeexactly, the dell xps 17 uses just 135w of power, weighs the same as a 15 inch laptop, and is good for the price. Im more of a productivity person anyway
Thanks for the detailed as well honest review. My favorite gen is still GT75 from MSI: Gsync, 5 SSD slot, wonderful keyboard, true desktop replacement experience. Don't understand why MSI followed the stupid trend to make laptop lighter and thinner. GT75 better than GT76 than GT77. This Titan 18 is not bad, but for 5k USD, it's a hard pass. Guess I will hold on my GT75 for many more years.
Hi Jarrod , what do you think about Medion erazer major x10? In my country cost 850 euros Here the specs: Arc 730m (12gb) I7 12700h 16gb Ram ddr5 1tb ssd 1600p screen 100%sRGB 165hz 16:10 16inch 80wh battery Is in alluminum and the charger is of 300w
I wonder why the results are so weak (relatively of course), considering the hardware and the temps it should outperform every other laptop, even the ones with the same specs since the increased tdp and yet it seems that sometimes it gets beaten by last year cpu with less power. I think there must be something wrong with the tuning or the softwer or the drivers in the titan series, maybe that's why the temps are so low (the cpu not going over 90 in a stress test with all that power it's wierd). Maybe the problem is just the ram, 3600 is very slow, other laptops reach 5200\5600 with ddr5 and unless you actually need large amounts of ram for specific tasks the speed of ram is much more important in gaming and application in general (you will never even fill 32 gb in gaming).
I have same laptop To be honest, it has nothing to do with the memory clock The performance difference depends on whether BIOS advanced settings are used such as reducing voltage and turning off CEP / UVP / Core isolation I have tried increasing the clock speed of my 128GB DDR5 to 4600~4000MHz Although it can be turned on However, above 4200Mhz, it will fail the Windows memory check. The only 4000MHz can pass the stability check And the Cinebench results are not much different from 3600/4600MHz DDR5
sounds like my type of laptop, who on earth listens music on laptop speakers or use a touchpad, just use mouse, so im glad they went cheap on those features
The main issues I think are the touchpad, speakers, lack of Advanced Optimus, and I wish all of the keys had mechanical keypads. The lack of mobility I don't consider an issue - it's not meant to be a mobile laptop. It's meant to big and heavy to get the best cooling and most performance.
How does the MSI RAIDER 18 HX compare to the TITAN? There are only few reviews on the Raider 18 HX but it’s considerably cheaper. Id like to buy a 4090 18” with good “premium” build, numpad (for engineering work and programming) and good battery life (4-6 hrs). The scar 18 is good but i heard it’s plastic-y, while the blade 18 doesn’t have that numpad I’ve grown accustomed to. Been looking into MSI machines but most reviews are only on the TITAN which is too expensive 😩
I had another laptop with a terrible touchpad like this, thanks to this I learned double-tap hold Also the 5600 MHz should be 5600 MT/s, the 3600 MHz however is correct
I think the main problem with the Titan series is that so few people considers buying them, therefore per unit price can never come down. MSI is shooting themselves on the foot with this one. You need to be mental not to go for the Scar 18 route.
Windows laptops are in a terrible state. Honestly see no reason why people shouldn't just get macbooks. It's so easy to make this good but they refuse to
@@SPECTRA890As insane as M-series CPUs are when it comes to sheer efficiency and MacOS works instead of the shit we call Windows 11, the Macbook has too many downsides to even begin considering. Hopefully Windows 12 and Snapdragon's Elite X ARM CPUs begin changing the game. iirc NVIDIA and AMD are also working on ARM CPUs
Hey Jarrod! Please also don't leave out the Desktop side of things, You haven't made any Desktop related content for some time. I don't know any other RUclipsrs that make detailed Vids like you do for the desktopside.
This one was on the shortlist but after a lot of contemplation I went for the Alpha17CV and dropped 64GB in it and not regretted it, 32threads on the 7945HX with no efficiency cores to worry about so no need to shut those down in some games at less than a 3rd the price of this with a 240hz 1440 screen was hard to ignore at the price point..
I’ll be buying it, and I have a question: what should I do if I change some values in the BIOS and not boot and need to reset it. What are the ways to reset bios? Is there a way to reset without opening the back cover?
Really wish I didn't get the strix scar 17. It's rtx 3070ti and i9-12900h upgraded to 32gb of ram 4tb of space. Decked out just to last a while I know the 3080 was better but was just to expensive till it went on sale a few months later. The sad thing is I'm getting older and more busy and I can't play games as much anymore it's hard to even enjoy them because it just feels like wasting so much time
Great Review! But would be great if you could test the laptop connected with external monitors etc. I think most people aren't gaming with a laptop like this standalone.
THE ONE & ONLY Titan 18 HX review I've been waiting for! Thank you so much, Jarrod! I have an important question, and would appreciate your response, if possible - Why did MSI decide to remove the Mini DisplayPort altogether, and not even replace it with a 3rd Thunderbolt 4 port? It's a disappointing downgrade from the 2022 & 2023 Titan GT77 HX. Does MSI plan to bring it back next year when Arrow Lake HX & RTX 5090 arrive? Thank you.
I would 100% buy the scar 18 over it purely because of the screen. 2k dimming zone mini led 1600p 240hz with the GPU horsepower to back it up? That's a no brainer for me.
@@Arxgxmi not necessarily. If you're just looking for raw horsepower, MSI raider series has thicker heavier laptops, which cool better but are much less portable. Asus Scar series has sleeker designs and perform a bit worse, but are not far behind. (For a given generation of laptop with the same specs). If you plan to take the laptop around, Scar. If it's stationary most of the time, Raider isn't a bad choice. I just hesitate to recommend MSI because of their less than ideal track record
Hi, awesome test as usual. But I think you should include a power consumption section, like a wallplug measurement in idle, load and perhaps battery charging states. I have 6 (mainly tower) systems for my geek family, and combined consumption is now an issue, may be interested by laptop replacements to cut the costs. (may not rly an issue for this specific 5K$+ laptop user audience).
you can get this laptop in the US spec'd the same a the scar for the same price. 3899 for 4090 and 3199 for 4080. I hate that every reviewer acts like this is the only version of this laptop available.
Jarrod, this is a great video. But what is the reason why you have always avoided the MSI stealth 17 laptop? And will there be a review of MSI stealth 18?
I haven't used a gaming laptop or monitor without G-Sync / FreeSync in years, I've gotten accustomed to it completely. Since the Titan doesn't have g-sync does that mean it'd be more prone to screen tearing and/or microstutters / etc, especially when there's a major disparity between the refresh rate and FPS? Or is it a non-issue in modern panels?
Should i get Tuf A15 with ryzen 9 7940HS and 4070 or legion pro 5 with Ryzen 7 7745HX and 4070 ?both are on sale for around 1300$.which would you prefer?
Amazing review as always!! Thank you so much for your content! I have one question, Given that it has 3 ssd slots, what is the maximum storage capacity? 8tb? 12? 16? Thanks 😊
@@vmafarah9473 i would fall under the enthusiast category - I looked for a desktop replacement for my 7950x3d and 4090 - because i wanted to use less power but still enjoy everything that i do - so i bought this laptop as an enthusiast and maybe a partly professional user and gamer :D
@@Jalalaburas1979 but why wouldnt u want to keep it anymore? if it works for you and does what you need it for you - then u should keep it - what would be your other option?
@@Dennnnis-hm2er This is a stable laptop for doing physics simulation that requires heavy amount of RAM . Also The heavy CPU usage in this laptop is not bottlenecking the 175W GPU.
As someone specializing in 3D animation and VFX, I'm contemplating between the MSI GT TITAN and the 16" Apple MacBook Pro with M3 Max. Which one should I go for?
Very good review as always. But a very minor mistake at 20:08 that must've been a small slip of the mind: you must mean "using ^Advanced Optimus doesn't give you as big a performance boost", since having just "Optimus" on would cost you a bit of performance. And also I still insist that 1:1 isn't the right way to convey an infinite or immeasurably high contast.
Hi Jarrod, can the touchpad be configured to be more accurate to touch? Have software drivers come out that have improved this touchpad issue? Thank you sir
I didn't see anything obviously available as far as user customization goes, but yes I suppose in theory they might be able to tweak how it responds in software as it's haptic feedback.
Hi, Jarrod! Thanks for the review! Could you please also make a review of MSI's Stealth 18 AI Studio (2024), if you have a chance? It would be really interesting to know your hands on experience and opinion on their new 18 inch but quite portable laptop.
Maybe, Stealth videos usually perform poorly so it's not exactly on my priority list, but we'll see, there might not be much else, it's a quieter year.
Another beast of a gaming machine ruined by the panel, imo. Last year, I went with a Scar 18 over the MSI Titan andd 90% of my decision was based on the panel (for gaming).
@@sabishiihito you cant just add capacity and keep the same speed, we're currently limited by the IMCs on the CPUs unfortunately and 64GB is hard enough to run at over 6400Mhz on a desktop, let alone 128GB on a laptop.
Tbh though i had a previous version of this laptop, it's definitely supposed to be a desktop replacement, i even remember it being marketed that way. Yes it did practically replace my desktop for about 5 years. Then i got addicted to warzone and needed to upgrade so i built my own pc. Now i'm thinking about going back to a laptop and selling my old pc which is still remarkable with a 3080 and 5900x cpu and basically top of the line everything else in ITX form. I just want the mobility of a laptop if i were to travel but i'd definitely not care about the touchpad, b/c who doesn't use a mouse?
I wonder what difference would it make if we compared the performance of 64GB DDR5 running at 5200 MHz vs. these 128GB DDR5s running at 3600 MHz. Can this be compared anyhow? Would it bring any real observable difference? Does a smaller but faster RAM bring some real advantage over twice as much larger but slower RAM? There may not be many opportunities for a "normal" user to utilize 128 Gigs of RAM anyway these days ...
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Cyborg 15 review please u never did this
Hello i wanned to ask why im getting random fps drops in games and how to fix them?
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Are there any ddr5 kit with 3600 MT??? Or was it a mistake?
This is best laptop
YES MOM " THESE ARE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR COLLEGE "
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Meanwhile I know a guy who passed only with Samsung tablets as the primary computing device.
Just a update as someone who actually owns this laptop and have longer than probably most people. MSI released a update for the track pad and it's finally working correctly. You can now hold and drag for as long as you want. Thank God! Unfortunately, if you do the update. All your bios settings will be lose. You will have to redo undervolt, redo memory 5600 setting, and all that. It's kinda annoying because you have to go thru like 8 different settings for all this but oh well. Now the laptop is flawless except for the atrocious battery life of course!
You don’t ever buy the MSI Titan 18 for battery life, just the full desktop level performance experience that’s portable. On this promise, MSI delivers.
Also, if you buy a portable PSU, or generator, battery life is not a problem anymore. Get massive amounts of watts 1600W minimum for your MSI PSU and that 192 GB of 5500 Mhz DDR5 RAM! The fact that the standard charger for the Titan 18 HX is literally a 400W charger tells you all you need to know!
MSI Titan 18 HX is the only laptop on the market with 192 GB max DDR5 RAM capacity.
Why is the asus scar 17 (2023) beating it in many stress tests here?
@@WristWatcher Hey man just get the laptop you like. I absolutely love my MSI Titan 18. Ive had every single top model and this is the one I stuck with and the gt77. Real world nothing from my exp performs just as good and cools just as good. Do what works for you tho. Good luck
@@TreyveonMoses-m6j What do you do for a living bro, if you don't mind me asking? Just looking for a bit of motivation as im currently working on affording this beast of a machine
No offense, but why would you buy a laptop like this? This is too big and chunky to be a mobile powerhouse. Isn't it better to build a PC compared to this.
MSI can't do a decent mid-range laptop. It's either an OP top of the line or a crappy entry level.
their high end laptops are made of the same crappy plastic. and use the same chassis design thought process, they suck, i can not stop telling people about this because of how disappointed i was by my ewaste. i paid 1500 euros for that thing and it was so much worse than anything i got from lenovo. but currently id only buy from asus.
@@Arxgxmi I thought they use magnesium alloy for the titan?
@@user-yx1qk4sk5t im not sure about the titan specifically, I've never been interested in this type of desktop replacement laptop. fuck it maybe I'm wrong right now and they actually changed material on their higher end stuff i sure as hell ain't checking because having to deal with a laptop that's literally falling apart from the hinges being shit and ripping the brittle plastic they used, not fun and they're not ever getting my money again no matter how good their products are, and i didn't even get tricked into buying a lower end product for more than it was worth at that time, that was pretty damn close to buying it straight off of them price wise. just so displeased with the quality of the material at that time, especially the hinges, if the material is bad it's fine. because if it breaks i probably dropped it, but i don't want it falling apart because they couldn't make hinges out of metal. or they were linked up with plastic like they did on the model i got back then
fyi this happened like 6 years ago maybe.
Agreed.
All MSI laptops look the same, crap build quality, incredible specs.
i love how exhaustive you are with your tests
Those fans are still loud, even in balanced mode.
Definitely need to use headphones for gaming lol.
Yeah it's pretty crazy!
It's all subjective. I can happily game with me X17 R2 on full fans with the laptop speakers. Some people can just drown it out.
@@BlackThunderRCCool story bro, still loud AF and will wake up your entire house.
Doesn't matter, if it works better for cooling, I would just buy a cooling pad.
you be surprised how quickly you get used to it...
Currently, there's no need to physically click on the touchpad; every action can be completed with a simple tap. This functionality is thanks to Windows Precision drivers, which are pre-installed on Windows laptops.
it's been a feature on synaptics drivers for like 25 years.
I don't like it though and bunch of users don't. especially the double tap for drags is error prone
I bet you're a blast at parties.
As someone who almost never uses touchpad, i like that when rgb is turned off you cannot see it. But i guess im in the minority here.
Also when he said it was nightmare to drag stuff around and when demonstrating it he was out of the track pad, that a skill issue not the track pads fault....
you can't expect to keep draging stuff outside of the trackpad and it working
@@jose-Maki Yes, it's skill and not garbage design...
I’m just waiting for you to drop the Asus scar 18 2024 refresh review. Keep up the great work!😁
This time next week!
This msi is faster then asus
@@SolarErazerit might be abit faster, but the touchpad and pixel response times are dealbreakers for me tbh
@@JarrodsTechI like & appreciate this review as an MSI user, I also hope you review the Raider 18 HX. As the touchpad diff might be a simple compromise, for the same 4k scn, or not..m
ASUS products are shit ; why do you received them? Just so Asus can keep scamming away decent persons?
Spoiler, not worth it. This laptop just makes zero sense to me. An 8lb laptop using a year old GPU and costs double the price of a desktop which would dominate it. Also, I know there's a trend to increase screen resolution, but I can't see that making sense for a "gaming" laptop.
So don't buy it. I won't either as I don't think $8K is worth it, but MSI wouldn't keep bother making these if they didn't sell enough of them to make it worthwhile for them.
@greebj Not to mention, bitching about weight is kinda silly for a true desktop replacement. It's not like a person's going to be whipping this out willy-nilly on the subway or something. These wire armed wimps need to hit the weight room if 8lbs is too much.
Of course it uses a year old GPU jackass, the 5090 isn’t out yet
Always full desktops are better in terms of price to performance. But these devices are targeted for people that move a lot so for them desktop argument doesnt make sense.
Same thing with expensive clothes just because a bag costs 3000 doesn't mean it is better than a cheaper one.
Love the videos, keep it going man, been watching you since 2022!
Thanks!
me too.
Those 14900HX are the most disappointing and meaningless incremental release ever. Just a gimmick to charge more for the newer model
There is still 2% improvement in some games though.
@@vmafarah9473 wow
@@vmafarah9473 practically 2% boost isn't good. It's barely noticeable
@@justinhawk835 YEAH, some times its enough to throttle the cpu sooner than last years.
Had they included an NPU even if it was just on a separate die it would be a notable change.
The 13980HX that preceeded it was already a god damned beast.
Being able to accelerate low end AI workloads without spooling up the GPU or putting high load on the CPU would be good.
I love mine. Not perfect though as I would have expected at the price point. Good review as always Jarrod.
The only thing without compromises is a high end PC. I still love my Legion 7.😊
Pity they got rid of the finger print reader. I have the gt77 and I use the fingerprint reader when the camera stops working or I’m wearing a VR headset.
Never seen an RGB touchpad before 🤣
The future is now.
Alienware did it before it was cool. It's still not cool though.
@@ashishthomas0 It was cool then, and it's still cool now, you ludite grandpa
Good Stuff as always Jarrod. I saw this at CES, it was gorgeous... but that price tag
Hi Jarrod, very nice video. Fun Fact: Doesn't matter the price of the laptop, the camera ALWAYS will be bad!! ahah Can't wait to see the review of others 18 inches laptops since i want to buy one. You should try to buy the best cooling pad, the IETS 626 i think it will be amazing because you will see the difference. You can gain -20 degrees with that one on your tests.
Top notch review! Wish you did all your reviews exactly like this. Showing the keyboard temperatures and DB meter for noise test is so helpful.
Pretty much every review should have both of those things.
@@JarrodsTech most do but should be a standard for all reviews because that info helps a lot with making the final decision whether the laptop is worth the purchase. I didn’t notice it in the 2024 Scar 18 review : (
I have had a msi, after 1 year the hinge is broken out of the case, this case looks similar. Changed 2019 to xmg/Schenker, no Problems. First class Service. Never every msi. Yesterday I ordered a new xmg 😊.
That RGB track pad is bloody awful. Just looking at it makes me feel ill
same
Yep i prefer Rog Scar Track pad then this one
It is just mind boggling that they removed GT77's real rgb light bar ... And replaced with these diagonal neon blue plasticky bits. Like, i would understand if they removed it to tone down 'gamer aesthetics' for a wider appeal, but it's just worse.
I really liked to watch this video because you focused on the main points quickly instead wasting time on taking about lot of unnecessary things.
With laptops with bad speakers you generally have to configure sound profiles in realtec audio and DTS programs to make them sound better
no need to lie ,this titan 18hx looks ALOT better than last years gt77
what a beast looks extremly nice
If you're 12.
Looks awful
@@Tiralful This is one of those things that are subjective. And either ways, you can respectfully disagree.
90 watt limit is pretty lame for the cpu. my 7i pro 13900hx can get up to 160+ without throttling for a minute with the liquid metal, surprised to see them limit it so much given it's size?
Is this laptop ugly?
Yup
Is that important when you are playing a game? Not really
Nah it looks decent
Same as your mum
rude D:
Damn@@rajyavardhansingh4491
Damn. Might as well buy a desktop. This gives off early 2000s Alienware gaming laptop vibes
I would honestly take this review with a grain of salt. J has never showed too much love to MSI for whatever reason. I'm a consumer. I bought all the big boy laptops this year and MSI won. Build quality is amazing, screen was better than them all, keyboard is fantastic, speakers are great, YOU CAN RUN MEMORY AT 5600 AS MINE DOES AND OTHERS BUT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, the cooling is phenomenal but the fans will be loud to you cry babies who cant deal with it. I sleep with white noise so I love the fan sound levels, it relaxes me. It's very powerful, fast, super reliable, looks great in person, the track pad is easy to get used to but the not being able to drag stuff is a real issue. I hate that so much. The glass area on the track pad gets way too many fingerprints. The build material definitely doesn't do as good as plastic with making it feel less hot. The webcam is horrible. It should've had 3 usb c. Outside of those things nothing compares to this laptop. Don't let the Internet fool you. Oh and gizmo tech and even mine is hitting 32000 in cinebench so once again idk what's with Jarods numbers.
The previous titan is far superior to this model. 4k MicroLED at 144hz, an unlocked i9 13890, and a real legit touch pad.
we need new cooling tech in gaming laptops for sure
Jarrod,
I was talking with xoticpc about this model and I am interested to see what you would recommend for my scenario.
-4 days a week, 8hrs I’ll be estimating architectural plans
-1 day a week, 8hrs I’ll be photo editing, web design & commerce management
-3-4 days a week, 1-2hrs playing games
-4-6 day a week, 1-hrs audio engineering using logic pro with many vst plugins
-downloading lots of files
-photo/video/vfx editing
-using many web tools at once
-gaming
-audio engineering
I’d like to be able to run a computer very low on power and cpu for my daily estimating work and have some custom maps for editing and gaming.
Would you have any other best recommendation that may be better suited for me rather this model?
Hope this gets to you, thanks!
That scar 17 3d is just criminal🤩
I'm more of a Dell XPS fan. The old Dell XPS 17 with the i9, 64GB of RAM, and the 4080 was a BEAST for it's size and weight
would the gigantic m18 work for you? same manufacturer, metallic construction, a 4080/4090 that run at the highest possible performance that obliterate your xps in power, at the cost of weight, size, power draw, and well...cost
@@lsp6032 eeeeexactly, the dell xps 17 uses just 135w of power, weighs the same as a 15 inch laptop, and is good for the price. Im more of a productivity person anyway
Thanks for the detailed as well honest review. My favorite gen is still GT75 from MSI: Gsync, 5 SSD slot, wonderful keyboard, true desktop replacement experience. Don't understand why MSI followed the stupid trend to make laptop lighter and thinner. GT75 better than GT76 than GT77. This Titan 18 is not bad, but for 5k USD, it's a hard pass. Guess I will hold on my GT75 for many more years.
Hi Jarrod , what do you think about Medion erazer major x10? In my country cost 850 euros
Here the specs:
Arc 730m (12gb)
I7 12700h
16gb Ram ddr5
1tb ssd
1600p screen
100%sRGB
165hz
16:10 16inch
80wh battery
Is in alluminum and the charger is of 300w
Nice review! 4 ram + 4 SSD!? And that slim ??
I wonder why the results are so weak (relatively of course), considering the hardware and the temps it should outperform every other laptop, even the ones with the same specs since the increased tdp and yet it seems that sometimes it gets beaten by last year cpu with less power. I think there must be something wrong with the tuning or the softwer or the drivers in the titan series, maybe that's why the temps are so low (the cpu not going over 90 in a stress test with all that power it's wierd). Maybe the problem is just the ram, 3600 is very slow, other laptops reach 5200\5600 with ddr5 and unless you actually need large amounts of ram for specific tasks the speed of ram is much more important in gaming and application in general (you will never even fill 32 gb in gaming).
I have same laptop
To be honest, it has nothing to do with the memory clock
The performance difference depends on whether BIOS advanced settings are used such as reducing voltage and turning off CEP / UVP / Core isolation
I have tried increasing the clock speed of my 128GB DDR5 to 4600~4000MHz
Although it can be turned on
However, above 4200Mhz, it will fail the Windows memory check.
The only 4000MHz can pass the stability check
And the Cinebench results are not much different from 3600/4600MHz DDR5
sounds like my type of laptop, who on earth listens music on laptop speakers or use a touchpad, just use mouse, so im glad they went cheap on those features
The main issues I think are the touchpad, speakers, lack of Advanced Optimus, and I wish all of the keys had mechanical keypads.
The lack of mobility I don't consider an issue - it's not meant to be a mobile laptop. It's meant to big and heavy to get the best cooling and most performance.
How does the MSI RAIDER 18 HX compare to the TITAN? There are only few reviews on the Raider 18 HX but it’s considerably cheaper.
Id like to buy a 4090 18” with good “premium” build, numpad (for engineering work and programming) and good battery life (4-6 hrs). The scar 18 is good but i heard it’s plastic-y, while the blade 18 doesn’t have that numpad I’ve grown accustomed to. Been looking into MSI machines but most reviews are only on the TITAN which is too expensive 😩
I had another laptop with a terrible touchpad like this, thanks to this I learned double-tap hold
Also the 5600 MHz should be 5600 MT/s, the 3600 MHz however is correct
I think the main problem with the Titan series is that so few people considers buying them, therefore per unit price can never come down. MSI is shooting themselves on the foot with this one. You need to be mental not to go for the Scar 18 route.
Please review the newly launched MSI Raider GE78HX V14 RTX 4090. Thank you.
The only msi that doesn't look cheap
Hope you'll do a Raider 18 review soon. Just to compare with this.
I think it's safe to say between MSI, Asus and Lenovo, Lenovo is leading innovation with their Legion series.
Do you get to keep the laptops that you review or do you need to hand them back?
Also nice video 👍
Hey Jarrod, can you review the Ideapad Gaming 3 with the Ryzen 7 7735HS and RTX 4050? I understand if you can't though. Loving the videos, keep it up!
Jesus Christ, the cost of a kidney, and still so many downsides 😅
Windows laptops are in a terrible state. Honestly see no reason why people shouldn't just get macbooks. It's so easy to make this good but they refuse to
@@SPECTRA890 It's just that this one is poor for its price. iOS is simply impractical, especially for gaming.
@@SPECTRA890what games can you play on mac again? Apple is the biggest rip-off in the game, you cant even upgrade ssd never mind ram. What a fanboy
@@SPECTRA890As insane as M-series CPUs are when it comes to sheer efficiency and MacOS works instead of the shit we call Windows 11, the Macbook has too many downsides to even begin considering.
Hopefully Windows 12 and Snapdragon's Elite X ARM CPUs begin changing the game. iirc NVIDIA and AMD are also working on ARM CPUs
@@SPECTRA890Lenovo Legion are top tier
Hey Jarrod! Please also don't leave out the Desktop side of things, You haven't made any Desktop related content for some time. I don't know any other RUclipsrs that make detailed Vids like you do for the desktopside.
There's nothing interesting on that side of things at the moment. Even laptops is quiet, we're down to 1 video a week at the moment, lowest ever.
@@JarrodsTech so this is the reason for less frequent Videos lately?
The blue back stripe look so bad. Having RGB is for changing to the color you like, but then having to stuck with blue stripe forever.
This one was on the shortlist but after a lot of contemplation I went for the Alpha17CV and dropped 64GB in it and not regretted it, 32threads on the 7945HX with no efficiency cores to worry about so no need to shut those down in some games at less than a 3rd the price of this with a 240hz 1440 screen was hard to ignore at the price point..
I’ll be buying it, and I have a question: what should I do if I change some values in the BIOS and not boot and need to reset it. What are the ways to reset bios? Is there a way to reset without opening the back cover?
Really wish I didn't get the strix scar 17. It's rtx 3070ti and i9-12900h upgraded to 32gb of ram 4tb of space. Decked out just to last a while I know the 3080 was better but was just to expensive till it went on sale a few months later. The sad thing is I'm getting older and more busy and I can't play games as much anymore it's hard to even enjoy them because it just feels like wasting so much time
It is now A$6299 on JB-Hifi. I am very tempted to get one but also hesitant cuz the 50 series is right around the corner.
It is not a difficult issue how powerful a laptop should be. The problem is keeping the weight under control.
Great Review! But would be great if you could test the laptop connected with external monitors etc. I think most people aren't gaming with a laptop like this standalone.
THE ONE & ONLY Titan 18 HX review I've been waiting for! Thank you so much, Jarrod! I have an important question, and would appreciate your response, if possible - Why did MSI decide to remove the Mini DisplayPort altogether, and not even replace it with a 3rd Thunderbolt 4 port? It's a disappointing downgrade from the 2022 & 2023 Titan GT77 HX. Does MSI plan to bring it back next year when Arrow Lake HX & RTX 5090 arrive? Thank you.
Not sure about the mini displayport. I'll see if I can get some info from my MSI contact.
@@JarrodsTech Please do! Thank you so much!
Is there any chance of lenovo 18 inch device and should i buy scar over msi?
I would 100% buy the scar 18 over it purely because of the screen. 2k dimming zone mini led 1600p 240hz with the GPU horsepower to back it up? That's a no brainer for me.
asus is better than msi in literally every aspect.
@@Arxgxmi not necessarily. If you're just looking for raw horsepower, MSI raider series has thicker heavier laptops, which cool better but are much less portable. Asus Scar series has sleeker designs and perform a bit worse, but are not far behind. (For a given generation of laptop with the same specs). If you plan to take the laptop around, Scar. If it's stationary most of the time, Raider isn't a bad choice.
I just hesitate to recommend MSI because of their less than ideal track record
Haven't heard any news on that one
Hi, awesome test as usual.
But I think you should include a power consumption section, like a wallplug measurement in idle, load and perhaps battery charging states.
I have 6 (mainly tower) systems for my geek family, and combined consumption is now an issue, may be interested by laptop replacements to cut the costs.
(may not rly an issue for this specific 5K$+ laptop user audience).
Hi, im planning to get lenovo pro 7 rtx4090. Should i wait for new versions? Or is it cool?
Now is a good time to buy, we won't get new CPUs/GPUs for Laptops until January 2025 at the earliest.
@@JarrodsTech thank you! Just got my legion pro 7. Hope it's a good choice over raider ge78 hx14vhg 🙌🏻
you can get this laptop in the US spec'd the same a the scar for the same price. 3899 for 4090 and 3199 for 4080. I hate that every reviewer acts like this is the only version of this laptop available.
Jarrod, this is a great video. But what is the reason why you have always avoided the MSI stealth 17 laptop? And will there be a review of MSI stealth 18?
MSI haven't offered it and Stealth models usually get poor views making it difficult to justify the week+ of time spent to make a video.
I haven't used a gaming laptop or monitor without G-Sync / FreeSync in years, I've gotten accustomed to it completely. Since the Titan doesn't have g-sync does that mean it'd be more prone to screen tearing and/or microstutters / etc, especially when there's a major disparity between the refresh rate and FPS? Or is it a non-issue in modern panels?
You should check the Pro player gaming setting. They always disable G-sync.
Caro Jarrod, il coperchio inferiore in quale materiale è realizzato? Grazie per il tuo ottimo lavoro.
Is it better than di rader ???
Do you plan on doing a video on the New 2024 version of the Asus Scar 16? :)
Nice video!
My favorite pastime: watching reviews of expensive gadgets I can't afford.
What is your ram speed?
64 gb 4000 mhz works, what is the situation when there is only 32 gb
I would be very happy if you answer
Ram specs are shown here:
1:11 Laptop Specs
Thanks tons for incorporating a quick Linux sanity test!
Should i get Tuf A15 with ryzen 9 7940HS and 4070 or legion pro 5 with Ryzen 7 7745HX and 4070 ?both are on sale for around 1300$.which would you prefer?
Amazing review as always!! Thank you so much for your content! I have one question, Given that it has 3 ssd slots, what is the maximum storage capacity? 8tb? 12? 16? Thanks 😊
I don't know if there is a limit, it would probably depend on the CPU/chipset rather than anything the laptop is doing.
Great review as always!
Over $5000 for a gaming laptop is crazy
The titan is built like a tank. *Proceeds to wiggle screen.*
Pretty normal stuff.
I can't wait for the ROG Zephyrus G16 test! Keep going, pal. 😉👍
Nice as always, bro why u dont review the Alienware laptop?
It would be great if u can do one and compare it to others.
Tnx for good knowledge.
are you going to do a video on the new neo17 at all with the 14900 chips? really wanting that laptop
Literally just bought it :D
Glad ur review is out as well :D
What you do with this laptop? R u a profesional usar?
@@vmafarah9473 i would fall under the enthusiast category - I looked for a desktop replacement for my 7950x3d and 4090 - because i wanted to use less power but still enjoy everything that i do - so i bought this laptop as an enthusiast and maybe a partly professional user and gamer :D
Just bought it too . Just don’t know after this review if I should keep it :(
@@Jalalaburas1979 but why wouldnt u want to keep it anymore? if it works for you and does what you need it for you - then u should keep it - what would be your other option?
@@Dennnnis-hm2er This is a stable laptop for doing physics simulation that requires heavy amount of RAM .
Also The heavy CPU usage in this laptop is not bottlenecking the 175W GPU.
As someone specializing in 3D animation and VFX, I'm contemplating between the MSI GT TITAN and the 16" Apple MacBook Pro with M3 Max. Which one should I go for?
Neither, get a Desktop, much better value for the money.
Apple still suck for animation or 3d stuff,
@@pedrolantyer Most annoying response ever. Most people looking at a laptop are doing so for a reason.
Go with gaming laptops. Mac still suck at 3D
Geez this laptop is for those ppl that don’t do any research and just glance at the price and spec sheet in think “bigger number better”
Very good review as always.
But a very minor mistake at 20:08 that must've been a small slip of the mind: you must mean "using ^Advanced Optimus doesn't give you as big a performance boost", since having just "Optimus" on would cost you a bit of performance.
And also I still insist that 1:1 isn't the right way to convey an infinite or immeasurably high contast.
why is the scar 18 2024 doing worst then the titan? is that got to do with the tdp of 65watss for the scar and 95 for the titan?
Hi Jarrod, can the touchpad be configured to be more accurate to touch? Have software drivers come out that have improved this touchpad issue? Thank you sir
I didn't see anything obviously available as far as user customization goes, but yes I suppose in theory they might be able to tweak how it responds in software as it's haptic feedback.
Hi, Jarrod! Thanks for the review! Could you please also make a review of MSI's Stealth 18 AI Studio (2024), if you have a chance? It would be really interesting to know your hands on experience and opinion on their new 18 inch but quite portable laptop.
Maybe, Stealth videos usually perform poorly so it's not exactly on my priority list, but we'll see, there might not be much else, it's a quieter year.
@@JarrodsTechSpeaking of a quiet year, we know that Zen5 appears this year. Do you think we'll also see Zen5 laptops, or those will come next year ?
@@JarrodsTech Stealth videos perform poorly for a good reason. No one ebin cares. Except this one guy with one like on his comment.
Powerful laptop in the planet till now 😮
Another beast of a gaming machine ruined by the panel, imo. Last year, I went with a Scar 18 over the MSI Titan andd 90% of my decision was based on the panel (for gaming).
Will you be reviewing the Legion 5i 2024? I am curious how the 32gb, 4070 version compares to last years pro5 with similar config
Shouldn't be much difference
@@Legitti So canibalizing the counter part whichever customers prefer.
You finally recorded it, but after all, it's just too expensive.
who would build such a laptop and then put 128gb of DDR5 3600mhz!!?
MSI does
Blame Intel for dropping mem speeds when increasing capacity.
@@sabishiihito you cant just add capacity and keep the same speed, we're currently limited by the IMCs on the CPUs unfortunately and 64GB is hard enough to run at over 6400Mhz on a desktop, let alone 128GB on a laptop.
the best part of the video was kalmah, heroes to us amazin song lml haha
Tbh though i had a previous version of this laptop, it's definitely supposed to be a desktop replacement, i even remember it being marketed that way. Yes it did practically replace my desktop for about 5 years. Then i got addicted to warzone and needed to upgrade so i built my own pc. Now i'm thinking about going back to a laptop and selling my old pc which is still remarkable with a 3080 and 5900x cpu and basically top of the line everything else in ITX form. I just want the mobility of a laptop if i were to travel but i'd definitely not care about the touchpad, b/c who doesn't use a mouse?
Imo I found the power supply more impressive than the laptop itself 400w in such a form factor
You can't SEE the backlight brightness change while holding the Fn key? Why is MSI always including such strange decisions?
I will never understand the appeal of RGB touchpads
3K for a great PC , 1K for a great monitor , and you still have money for a laptop / tablet / phone .... This price is absurd
Hello Jarrod! When is the Lenovo Legion 7i 2024 review coming? any updates? Looking forward to it!
No ETA, we're waiting on Lenovo, who have stopped respondong to us.
but, is there an option to disable lights on touch-pad?
I wonder what difference would it make if we compared the performance of 64GB DDR5 running at 5200 MHz vs. these 128GB DDR5s running at 3600 MHz. Can this be compared anyhow? Would it bring any real observable difference? Does a smaller but faster RAM bring some real advantage over twice as much larger but slower RAM? There may not be many opportunities for a "normal" user to utilize 128 Gigs of RAM anyway these days ...