Nice job to see your model working out, I'm excited for a better model, and the annealing seems super promising, I think you are close to the perfect one, seems like just needs a slightly bouncier material.
Thank you for the video and the settings! Always overlooked when people are posting videos. I have to go look at the flexible tpu i currently have but now definitely want to try this stuff.
@@todvanced7842 the flex pla has pretty good bounce for the cost you pay for it. Peba filament has better bounce, but for the same amount of filament as the flex pla you will pay about an extra $85 USD or so for 1 kg
Love your videos, keep up the good work! Have bought some PEBA but have not printed with it yet, only flex PLA so far. Will have to try annealing per your recommendation
I've been doing research on some filaments. I bought some ataxaria filament, slightly different from the one you tested, and on my a1 it made a perfect tennis ball with the bounce. It does seem like ataxaria made a new bounce flex pla specifically for the ball. I will say they used the same video as the wisdream flexi tough which was also designed for the ball so I don't know how well it works (Going to try the Wisdream soon). Filament stories had pretty good results. There obviously is peba, but also a bunch of variations of polypropylene which has some flexibility. I might also try 98 a tpu. Fillamentum has 98a tpu. Good luck!!
@@makeitlabchannelI do appreciate the effort. Somehow I was shown one of your videos and it was an instant sub from me. I love this stuff. I do enjoy printing the unusual stuff. I havent really printed anything in a while but cant wait for this. Already started diving into a bunch of your vids.
Hey, thank you for this great video! I was wondering why your design is rounded and doesn’t have the same shape as the Wilson Airless Basketball. Have you tried 3D printing one with the actual shape using PEBA filament?
@@SMIXOGAMING thanks! I ended up going with almost all round because the files I have printed previously have either affected the bounce or printing of the file. Going with a mostly round shape (except the seams/black lines, they are pulled in a bit to not affect the bounce) seemed to optimize ease of printing with optimizing bounce, but there might be other files out there that have figured that out
I have to alter the model so that when I print with the PEBA filament it will be closer to the 625 gram weight since it is lighter, but that is my next test 😁
That's kind of amazing, I was really waiting for someone to test these balls with annealing. At this point it's really just about how long they will last, but this is a mistery for the 2k$ Wilson's balls as well, because I don't think they will just live as long as a regular inflated ball. The only test I can think of at this point, not an easy one to setup, it's actually play a basketball match with this ball, and ask the players for some feedbacks about it (indoor? I don't think the airless ball is made to properly work outside anyway).
Hey love your content! Today I am on the goal of trying to create an airless basketball and when i came into your stuff it was great. However a month ago I think you used a different file and you used PEBA filament. Now I was looking into going into the root that you went in because you said at the time that it was the best and it was good to bounce and durable. Has that opinion changed and would you still recommend doing that, Or should I wait?? Lastly a month ago you made a video about the settings and supports that you used for the PEBA filament, but recently you made a video about the durability of the single and double lattice as well. So my question is do you prefer double or single lattice and can the single lattice with the supprot and settings you have a month ago? Thank you for your time, great content
@@massimoleonard5647 Let me start by saying thanks! And here is where I am at: so far, peba filament has had the best bounce. The problem? The double lattice file I used seems to always eventually cracks, but it has amazing bounce. The single lattice file I use doesn't bounce as well, but is very durable. I am currently designing my own file to hopefully have the best of both worlds, especially with the peba filament. The flex PLA seems to work well too with my file. Once the file is ready, I will release it for others to use. The weak point seems to be the file itself, as I have not found a file that has great bounce and durability yet. Hope that helps!
It does and thank you for responding. But my question is when you print the airless basketball with peba filament I was wondering what did you use to dry it and is there any recommendations that you have for a filament dryer and is it better to just have it drying throughout or should I dry it for one hr and then make it start printing the basketball? Lastly when you finish the file that you are making with you show what settings and supports that you used for it. Thank you for your time
@@massimoleonard5647 I did dry the peba filament both before and during printing. I list everything I did to print the ball in this video here, including the dryer I used: ruclips.net/video/BtqjUwdIx30/видео.htmlsi=oiQVsxuq2-_Wxk8Q And yes, when my file is done I will make a video showing everything needed to print it 😁
@@makeitlabchannelgreat to know and thank you so much but what happens when you ran out of filament. Do you wait another 12hrs to dry and then dry it throughout until the print? Is that what you did? And does it affect the build quality?
@@massimoleonard5647 the filament dryer I used (there is a link in the description of the settings video I sent) can hold 2 spools of filament. I dried them both before and during printing, and when the other one was running out I just loaded the second one in-line with the end of the first spool, if that makes sense. The quality turned out good on all of them so far
Great, so now are you going to try the peba filment with your new file? Also what was the bounce heights on both of thr flex pla. Nicr job, my problem with making these would be the oven, i dont habe a spare oven liying around. Thanks for alll youre tests.
Yes, PEBA will be next once I alter the model so it is closer to nba standard weight, and then I will compare the PEBA and flex PLA bounces. The flex PLA didn't bounce quite as well as the PEBA, but it was consistently bouncing back around 20 inches on the bounce test after dropping from 39 inches like the other tests
Hey, I find these videos super informative and was wondering if you knew about the Dudv2 filament specifically designed for the airless basketball? I believe it is backordered but another RUclipsr, carterpcs, had great results.
So I tried this with the same exact filament. I also baked the basketball in the oven at 200F for four hours. I used a fine sandblasting sand. Very clean, very fine. After the four hours, I measured the temp of the sand about a third of the way down here container. It was 150F. I wonder if the sand is acting too much of an insulator. If I try this again, I’ll bump up the temp to 250 so I get an actual temp of 200 at the center of the container.
Oh interesting, I thought about leaving a temperature probe in with the ball to track the temp to make sure it is getting where it needs to be. I also have annealed other basketballs for 6 hours as well - longer might help as well.
@@FeltFamily-h8y you could probably use dirt, but sand holds it's shape really well in the heat so I would recommend sand. I just got some play sand from Home Depot, but the finer sand you use the better 😁
@@zeeshanbrat6774 forgot to update this video - file is now available on thingiverse, printables, Cults3D, and Makerworld. Here is the link to Makerworld: makerworld.com/en/models/545680?from=search#profileId-471406
@@EatingCtrlV hey there - if you use our new basketball file, I found that you don't even need to anneal it, but it would never hurt. I annealed it at 200F (90C) for about 4 hours 😁
@@ian_octoman yeah it might be worth printing slower. I printed the basketballs in the video at 40 mm/s - took a very long time but turned out pretty well.
Will you be testing your model with the PEBA (make sure to print the basketball lines vertically instead of horizontally like last time) and also i have seen that party lime has had good results with BASF TPC 45D with annealing also. So that could also be worth trying (TPC is also half the price of PEBA, which is more friendly when doing trial and error)
I tried looking everywhere for someone called party like using TPC for a basketball. I couldn’t find it on RUclips nor Reddit. Where are u talking about
@@ahmedmentawi3362 oh it is PartyLime, and he has his airless basketball models on printables and makerwolrld, maybe other places too. He has videos of the airless TPC basketball on his printables.com page
@@CalebPham-sz5sj I bought the metal bucket from Home Depot if that is an option for you, but that is the only real way I know of besides using a large kiln like they use for pottery. My other wonder is maybe some sort of chemical annealing, but I don't know what would work for that.
@@makeitlabchannel Just to let you know, I was looking online for different ways you can anneal 3d prints and one of them was putting them in warm water to anneal and because the water is not very hot it would not warp the print. Do you think in a future video you can try this? -Caleb P.
@@mrdurden3224 I would not be able to recommend a temp because I haven't found anything on this yet, but since 90C is about 44% of about a 205C temp for PLA, 44% of 250C for PEBA would be 110C (might be a starting point to try). I will try to reach out to Kimya to see if they have more info, and I will be testing this at some point.
90C is 20 degrees above the typical PLA glass transition temperature of ~60C so perhaps if you can look up the glass transition temperature of PEBA (if it has one) and increase that by 10 or 20C it would work…. Just hypothesizing.
@@gsestream flex pla works great, but I do plan on trying tpu. I have seen some other videos of people using tpu and it bounces badly, so it will probably need to be a higher shore hardness to work well
@@makeitlabchannel pla is very brittle, like you experienced, it shatters very easily. dont know about the flex pla. I would still say pla is not the most proper option.
What should we try next?
BASF Ultrafuse Tough PLA and Ultrafuse PLA PRO1
Nice job to see your model working out, I'm excited for a better model, and the annealing seems super promising, I think you are close to the perfect one, seems like just needs a slightly bouncier material.
@@madbuldog great!
@@CCBCodeMonkey yes, I hope the durability with PEBA turns out well because I am sure the bounce will be better. Hopefully I can test that soon 😁
Please try annealing one printed in PEBA. It seems like PEBA is really good but still cracks some times so annealing it might solve that problem.
Please never give up you doing soo good and I can’t wait to play with them 😄💪🏽
Appreciate it! Now that I have a workable file there is still plenty more to test and try 😁
Thank you for the video and the settings! Always overlooked when people are posting videos. I have to go look at the flexible tpu i currently have but now definitely want to try this stuff.
@@todvanced7842 the flex pla has pretty good bounce for the cost you pay for it. Peba filament has better bounce, but for the same amount of filament as the flex pla you will pay about an extra $85 USD or so for 1 kg
Love your videos, keep up the good work! Have bought some PEBA but have not printed with it yet, only flex PLA so far. Will have to try annealing per your recommendation
Much appreciated - hope it works well for you!
I've been doing research on some filaments. I bought some ataxaria filament, slightly different from the one you tested, and on my a1 it made a perfect tennis ball with the bounce. It does seem like ataxaria made a new bounce flex pla specifically for the ball. I will say they used the same video as the wisdream flexi tough which was also designed for the ball so I don't know how well it works (Going to try the Wisdream soon). Filament stories had pretty good results. There obviously is peba, but also a bunch of variations of polypropylene which has some flexibility. I might also try 98 a tpu. Fillamentum has 98a tpu. Good luck!!
Oh interesting, I will have to look into this. Thanks!
Cant wait to try the file you have made also!
@@todvanced7842 it takes like 3-4 days to print each ball, so testing is taking a while but I am close!
@@makeitlabchannelI do appreciate the effort. Somehow I was shown one of your videos and it was an instant sub from me. I love this stuff. I do enjoy printing the unusual stuff. I havent really printed anything in a while but cant wait for this. Already started diving into a bunch of your vids.
@@todvanced7842 much appreciated!
Great idea and execution, thank you!
Appreciate it!
Hey, thank you for this great video! I was wondering why your design is rounded and doesn’t have the same shape as the Wilson Airless Basketball. Have you tried 3D printing one with the actual shape using PEBA filament?
@@SMIXOGAMING thanks! I ended up going with almost all round because the files I have printed previously have either affected the bounce or printing of the file. Going with a mostly round shape (except the seams/black lines, they are pulled in a bit to not affect the bounce) seemed to optimize ease of printing with optimizing bounce, but there might be other files out there that have figured that out
Very good job 👍 . Do you have news for the PEBA filament ?
he already tested it?
@@riba2233 i know but not for the durability. It’s ok for the durability of the PEBA ?
also did that
I have to alter the model so that when I print with the PEBA filament it will be closer to the 625 gram weight since it is lighter, but that is my next test 😁
That's kind of amazing, I was really waiting for someone to test these balls with annealing.
At this point it's really just about how long they will last, but this is a mistery for the 2k$ Wilson's balls as well, because I don't think they will just live as long as a regular inflated ball.
The only test I can think of at this point, not an easy one to setup, it's actually play a basketball match with this ball, and ask the players for some feedbacks about it (indoor? I don't think the airless ball is made to properly work outside anyway).
That is a great idea - I will have to try and find a team who would be willing to try for science 😁
These are awesome dude
Thank you!
Nice work! I'm gonna save the rest of my peba for when your file is out.
I will try to have it out soon 😁
wow very cool! you got my like and sub!
@@deanmaudal5551 much appreciated!
Hey love your content! Today I am on the goal of trying to create an airless basketball and when i came into your stuff it was great. However a month ago I think you used a different file and you used PEBA filament. Now I was looking into going into the root that you went in because you said at the time that it was the best and it was good to bounce and durable. Has that opinion changed and would you still recommend doing that, Or should I wait?? Lastly a month ago you made a video about the settings and supports that you used for the PEBA filament, but recently you made a video about the durability of the single and double lattice as well. So my question is do you prefer double or single lattice and can the single lattice with the supprot and settings you have a month ago? Thank you for your time, great content
@@massimoleonard5647 Let me start by saying thanks! And here is where I am at: so far, peba filament has had the best bounce. The problem? The double lattice file I used seems to always eventually cracks, but it has amazing bounce. The single lattice file I use doesn't bounce as well, but is very durable. I am currently designing my own file to hopefully have the best of both worlds, especially with the peba filament. The flex PLA seems to work well too with my file. Once the file is ready, I will release it for others to use. The weak point seems to be the file itself, as I have not found a file that has great bounce and durability yet. Hope that helps!
It does and thank you for responding. But my question is when you print the airless basketball with peba filament I was wondering what did you use to dry it and is there any recommendations that you have for a filament dryer and is it better to just have it drying throughout or should I dry it for one hr and then make it start printing the basketball? Lastly when you finish the file that you are making with you show what settings and supports that you used for it. Thank you for your time
@@massimoleonard5647 I did dry the peba filament both before and during printing. I list everything I did to print the ball in this video here, including the dryer I used: ruclips.net/video/BtqjUwdIx30/видео.htmlsi=oiQVsxuq2-_Wxk8Q
And yes, when my file is done I will make a video showing everything needed to print it 😁
@@makeitlabchannelgreat to know and thank you so much but what happens when you ran out of filament. Do you wait another 12hrs to dry and then dry it throughout until the print? Is that what you did? And does it affect the build quality?
@@massimoleonard5647 the filament dryer I used (there is a link in the description of the settings video I sent) can hold 2 spools of filament. I dried them both before and during printing, and when the other one was running out I just loaded the second one in-line with the end of the first spool, if that makes sense. The quality turned out good on all of them so far
Great, so now are you going to try the peba filment with your new file? Also what was the bounce heights on both of thr flex pla. Nicr job, my problem with making these would be the oven, i dont habe a spare oven liying around. Thanks for alll youre tests.
Yes, PEBA will be next once I alter the model so it is closer to nba standard weight, and then I will compare the PEBA and flex PLA bounces. The flex PLA didn't bounce quite as well as the PEBA, but it was consistently bouncing back around 20 inches on the bounce test after dropping from 39 inches like the other tests
if annealing is not enough, remelting is an option but it need a very fine salt instead of this sand
Oh good idea, if it doesn't hold up I will give that a try!
@@makeitlabchannel 👍😉
Hey, I find these videos super informative and was wondering if you knew about the Dudv2 filament specifically designed for the airless basketball? I believe it is backordered but another RUclipsr, carterpcs, had great results.
Thanks! Oh I have not heard of it, but I will definitely have to check that out 😁
Do you know which filament by Dudv2?
Oh nm I found it. Was on a separate page from the rest of their filament. Eta 3 week backorder.
PLA-B (Splat)
@@makeitlabchannel looks pretty bouncy. Seen a few videos of it.
@@todvanced7842 Ordered some the day I responded to this comment, and it should be arriving today or tomorrow 😁
So I tried this with the same exact filament. I also baked the basketball in the oven at 200F for four hours. I used a fine sandblasting sand. Very clean, very fine. After the four hours, I measured the temp of the sand about a third of the way down here container. It was 150F. I wonder if the sand is acting too much of an insulator. If I try this again, I’ll bump up the temp to 250 so I get an actual temp of 200 at the center of the container.
Oh interesting, I thought about leaving a temperature probe in with the ball to track the temp to make sure it is getting where it needs to be. I also have annealed other basketballs for 6 hours as well - longer might help as well.
@@makeitlabchannel have you found the longer you leave it in the oven the better it bounces ?
@@coolteched7572 I haven't tested that, but when I get more flex PLA I might have to test that out
Do you have to use sand or could you use dirt. But if you have to use sand where did you get it
@@FeltFamily-h8y you could probably use dirt, but sand holds it's shape really well in the heat so I would recommend sand. I just got some play sand from Home Depot, but the finer sand you use the better 😁
STL will hopefully be available soon for download??
@@zeeshanbrat6774 forgot to update this video - file is now available on thingiverse, printables, Cults3D, and Makerworld. Here is the link to Makerworld: makerworld.com/en/models/545680?from=search#profileId-471406
@@makeitlabchannel thank you 😊
I have a suggestion for you. The tpu of nanovia (tpu 70D)
I will look into it!
I would love to know the temps and times you annealed this for, I would love to make one of these.
@@EatingCtrlV hey there - if you use our new basketball file, I found that you don't even need to anneal it, but it would never hurt. I annealed it at 200F (90C) for about 4 hours 😁
@@makeitlabchannel Awesome thank you very much!
@@EatingCtrlV of course!
Does it matter what color you get from the amazon link for the filament?
@@SS-cx3zh I haven't noticed a difference in print quality from the different colors, I usually just go with what is cheapest 😁
What temps to print the flex pla. My printer seems to cant pull it, it stretches. For extruder is 230c and bed is 50c.
I went 220c on the nozzle and 55c on bed for my Bambu Lab P1S. What printer are you using?
@@makeitlabchannel K1 MAX, but now i'm thinking my printing speed might be the issue, the more i'm doing test, im thinking of brining it down to 200
@@ian_octoman yeah it might be worth printing slower. I printed the basketballs in the video at 40 mm/s - took a very long time but turned out pretty well.
Will you be testing your model with the PEBA (make sure to print the basketball lines vertically instead of horizontally like last time) and also i have seen that party lime has had good results with BASF TPC 45D with annealing also. So that could also be worth trying (TPC is also half the price of PEBA, which is more friendly when doing trial and error)
I tried looking everywhere for someone called party like using TPC for a basketball. I couldn’t find it on RUclips nor Reddit. Where are u talking about
Yes I will be testing this with PEBA and I will give the TPC a try too if I can get it 😁
@@ahmedmentawi3362 oh it is PartyLime, and he has his airless basketball models on printables and makerwolrld, maybe other places too. He has videos of the airless TPC basketball on his printables.com page
Do you have any other ways to anneal the basketball? Im not sure if i have anything to put the basketball in
@@CalebPham-sz5sj I bought the metal bucket from Home Depot if that is an option for you, but that is the only real way I know of besides using a large kiln like they use for pottery. My other wonder is maybe some sort of chemical annealing, but I don't know what would work for that.
@@makeitlabchannel Great! thank you! If i find another way to anneal the basketball i will let you know!
@@makeitlabchannel Just to let you know, I was looking online for different ways you can anneal 3d prints and one of them was putting them in warm water to anneal and because the water is not very hot it would not warp the print. Do you think in a future video you can try this?
-Caleb P.
@@CalebPham-sz5sj oh that sounds very cool - I think I could try that, I will look into it 😁
have you done 100% infill on all of these basketballs?
@@SS-cx3zh no I have not, I have been using 50% infill, and it seems to work well. Might have to try it though
did you finish the basketball file
@@chantillystreet7239 I ran into a big issue with it but I am finishing up testing this weekend, and it should be released by next week
Anneal + PEBA? does that even work?
I have been looking into that actually and given the makeup of PEBA I am not sure. I might just have to test it and see!
@@makeitlabchannel I'd be very interested in this as well, I made some with PEBA and I'm wondering what temp to anneal at.
@@mrdurden3224 I would not be able to recommend a temp because I haven't found anything on this yet, but since 90C is about 44% of about a 205C temp for PLA, 44% of 250C for PEBA would be 110C (might be a starting point to try). I will try to reach out to Kimya to see if they have more info, and I will be testing this at some point.
@@makeitlabchannelI’ve been in contact with Fillamentum recently, I’ll reach back out and ask about annealing
90C is 20 degrees above the typical PLA glass transition temperature of ~60C so perhaps if you can look up the glass transition temperature of PEBA (if it has one) and increase that by 10 or 20C it would work…. Just hypothesizing.
dont use pla, use tpu
@@gsestream flex pla works great, but I do plan on trying tpu. I have seen some other videos of people using tpu and it bounces badly, so it will probably need to be a higher shore hardness to work well
@@makeitlabchannel pla is very brittle, like you experienced, it shatters very easily. dont know about the flex pla. I would still say pla is not the most proper option.
@@gsestream yeah I would agree, I think the more flexible options (PEBA, TCE/TPU) are probably the way to go. I will be testing all of those 😁