@@drt1605 WHAT DO YOU MEAN? We see one bleed....and we were told very specifically they have no blood, which isn't just a small detail because it prevented blood screenings during the Dominion War...that's a pretty HUGE inconsistency
I like the aspect of primogeniture being the driving force in the Breen Confederacy. L'ak being the Primarch's nephew means his father was not the first born son. Being demoted while having ambition has to be the worst. This also explains their aggressive and war-like nature; this opens up the possibility that the worlds in the secret protocol with the Dominion were simply the spoils meant to be the empires of those not first born.
@@GiantFreakinRobot I'm not sure I would have explored that mystery unless I had a very compelling answer. Their answer was certainly not worth waiting 25 years for. If I was forced at gunpoint I would have said they look just like us - completely human - and explored the *next* mystery of how and why that is.
The only issue I have with this is in DS9, both Worf and Kira knock out two Breen and take their uniforms. In that time they would have had a level of intelligence gathering.
Why why why! The Breen were so cool being dangerous and mysterious. They have never taken the helmets off the Breen. Like they should never reveal where Yoda people are from. Discovery keeps discovering ways to ruin Star Trek 🤬🤬 it should have been cancel 2 seasons ago!
The reveal should have been amazing. But no, it's just an uninspired CGI face that took a few minutes to create. Probably was just colored green with a drag and drop shader and rendered minutes later.
I don't have a problem with any of this. While it doesn't exactly explain why they joined the Dominion it could be due to this gelatinous form. Perhaps the Breen thought they were an offshoot of the Founders from eons ago or maybe they thought they could use their semi solid form to curry favor with the Founders. As for the Founders they may have welcomed the Breen just to lure them in, but might also have felt they were a kindred species thus thinking more highly of them than the other solids. The changelings have been around for a very long time so maybe they created the Breen. It also explains why no one ever saw what they looked like. Perhaps when they are killed they liquify so whenever anyone opened up those suits they'd just find a lot of goo inside.
What a LETDOWN! They coulda picked ANY race from enterprise or TOS to use. The Valakians and Menk were sitting right there on the table and they pissed it away!
I'll admit, this reveal wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it could've been far, FAR better. The Typhon Pact novel series handled the reveal of the Breen exceptionally well, revealing them to almost be a mirror of the Federation of sorts: At least a dozen different species forming a single Confederacy. Unlike the Federation's "infinite diversity in infinite combinations" spiel though, the Confederacy is a militaristic police state whose people collectively take the name Breen and wear the suits as a means of both enforcing societal conformity and eliminating societal bias. The suits are adapted to fit all of the species within the Confederacy, including built in environmental adaptations (cooling systems for the cold-dwelling, liquid-based Amoniri) and physical adaptations (snouted helmets for the lupine Fenrisal), and thus they all appear uniform. It's a damned shame that the Discovery people didn't just canonize that version. But, then again, being Discovery, I question if it would've been handled well.
Leave it up to STD to infect another area of Star Trek with its lazy, incoherent writing. How does refrigeration increase elasticity or even allow for a gelatinous state??? I would think that being in a refrigeration suit is the opposite of flexible, on top of breaking the laws of physics. And of course he acts like a high school girl around his girl boss lover. This garbage needs to end already. I will give a praise on the Breen suits and sets, though. The art department did their job well.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Aliens or otherwise, it defies the laws of physics. Bad writing from people who focus more on DEI than writing well thought out content.
@@nextlevelenglish5858 How doesn't it is the question. Using refrigeration to maintain a gelatinous state?? One that is transitioned to from a solid organic state in average temperatures no less. The refrigeration would cause either state to completely solidify. It's literally the opposite condition you'd need to maintain it. It would make more sense if they made the Breen some sort of nitrogen blooded lifeform that can't survive in our temperatures without vaporizing. Then there's the next question: Why? Why do they go from a solid to a gelatinous state in the first place? They claim it makes them more flexible, less limiting than a solid form. Flexible in what capacity? Certainly not physically since they rely on a stiff, heavy refrigeration suit to maintain it. Mentally? If so, then how? The reason they did this is because the writers thought they'd tug on some memberberries by making the Breen have something in relatable to Changelings. "Look, they're like a proto Changelings! They're Changlinging! And that's why they allied with the Dominion!" Except that none of it makes an ounce of sense. They're not assuming any new form of or mental state that make meaningful difference. It seems to be yet another allegory to some nonsensical social message. As always with these newer shows, the writers don't a have a brain cell between them. I'm not even going to get into what they did to the personalities and mystique of the Breen, aside from saying that it's all out character assassination.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, I wouldn't say there's no evidence. The show is so poorly written it leaves a lot open for interpretation. I should have mentioned that you are incorrect at no fault of your own. Read the Screen Rant article on the episode, I'd link it but YT doesn't like that. Google "jelly Breen" which is their own joke name for them and you should find the article. The writer goes into detail, even admitting that their explanation was "muddy".
Thought they needed to be in a very hot environment hence why we never saw them out of their suits.. This series is absolute crap..... like babies trying to write sci fi,,,
you have never seen trek. From the very first time we see the Breen, Dukat mentions that they need REFRIGERATION suits, and in that episode, they need the Cardassians and Bajornas to do the work because the planet is too hot for the Breen.
New Trek keeps ruining things. They look dumb and defy logic. How would a creature go from more flexible and gelatinous when cold, to inflexible and solid when warm? The mystery was the point, and even if New Trek writers were good at their job, a reveal was never going to be satisfying.
@@GiantFreakinRobot after watching enough episodes, Discovery seems more like an evolution of Kevin Sorbo and Andromeda rather than Roddenberry Star Trek
@@themisplaced nobody said that. But if you get more upset, maybe someone will! That being said, it's unworthy of watching because it's bad. It's as simple as that. You can watch it, but if other people think it isn't good, that's no reason to keep crying about their opinions on youtube. Man up and enjoy your show.
I like the aspect of primogeniture being the driving force in the Breen Confederacy. L'ak being the Primarch's nephew means his father was not the first born son. Being demoted while having ambition has to be the worst. This also explains their aggressive and war-like nature; this opens up the possibility that the worlds in the secret protocol with the Dominion were simply the spoils meant to be the empires of those not first born. The Breen are essentially the Spanish conquistadors of Star Trek.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Happily it is neither. I'm an expert on Star Trek. You may consider me an authority if you can't determine what things are and arent on your own. I promise you its not trek. Even a casual fan of star trek is of an authority above those making the live action shows or the billionaire girl who inherited the IP. They've never watched much if any star trek. They are on record as saying they dont like star trek. They are on record saying they arent really making star trek. They made their own thing and put 'star trek' on it. Only bots, borgs and fools are being fooled.
They shoulda left it alone.
Why? You don’t like the reveal? I mean it’s been 34 years.
That is one beautiful species!
@@GiantFreakinRobot Because it's dumb and bad writing - like everything else STD.
@@drt1605 WHAT DO YOU MEAN? We see one bleed....and we were told very specifically they have no blood, which isn't just a small detail because it prevented blood screenings during the Dominion War...that's a pretty HUGE inconsistency
I like the aspect of primogeniture being the driving force in the Breen Confederacy. L'ak being the Primarch's nephew means his father was not the first born son. Being demoted while having ambition has to be the worst.
This also explains their aggressive and war-like nature; this opens up the possibility that the worlds in the secret protocol with the Dominion were simply the spoils meant to be the empires of those not first born.
I consider this to be as valid as Discoveries Klingon redesign.
This is a Skrull.
It’s not a redesign though
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't say it was. Just that I put it on the same level.
I didn't think the answer they came up with was that great. Everything Discovery does is "meh."
What would you have done?
@@GiantFreakinRobot I'm not sure I would have explored that mystery unless I had a very compelling answer. Their answer was certainly not worth waiting 25 years for. If I was forced at gunpoint I would have said they look just like us - completely human - and explored the *next* mystery of how and why that is.
@@GiantFreakinRobot made it the Valakians or Menk. Literally anyone that would explain their hatred towards humanity
The only issue I have with this is in DS9, both Worf and Kira knock out two Breen and take their uniforms. In that time they would have had a level of intelligence gathering.
Why why why! The Breen were so cool being dangerous and mysterious. They have never taken the helmets off the Breen. Like they should never reveal where Yoda people are from. Discovery keeps discovering ways to ruin Star Trek 🤬🤬 it should have been cancel 2 seasons ago!
So say we all
The reveal should have been amazing. But no, it's just an uninspired CGI face that took a few minutes to create. Probably was just colored green with a drag and drop shader and rendered minutes later.
I don’t think it was that bad. It’s supposed to look weird
Little boys will cry about anything and everything.
Cry more
I don't have a problem with any of this. While it doesn't exactly explain why they joined the Dominion it could be due to this gelatinous form. Perhaps the Breen thought they were an offshoot of the Founders from eons ago or maybe they thought they could use their semi solid form to curry favor with the Founders. As for the Founders they may have welcomed the Breen just to lure them in, but might also have felt they were a kindred species thus thinking more highly of them than the other solids. The changelings have been around for a very long time so maybe they created the Breen. It also explains why no one ever saw what they looked like. Perhaps when they are killed they liquify so whenever anyone opened up those suits they'd just find a lot of goo inside.
STD is not Star Trek.
Agreed.
Facts!
Real talk there .
No one is mentioning that the Breen look like a cross species between The Sphere Builders and The Changelings.
What a LETDOWN! They coulda picked ANY race from enterprise or TOS to use. The Valakians and Menk were sitting right there on the table and they pissed it away!
I'll admit, this reveal wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it could've been far, FAR better.
The Typhon Pact novel series handled the reveal of the Breen exceptionally well, revealing them to almost be a mirror of the Federation of sorts: At least a dozen different species forming a single Confederacy. Unlike the Federation's "infinite diversity in infinite combinations" spiel though, the Confederacy is a militaristic police state whose people collectively take the name Breen and wear the suits as a means of both enforcing societal conformity and eliminating societal bias. The suits are adapted to fit all of the species within the Confederacy, including built in environmental adaptations (cooling systems for the cold-dwelling, liquid-based Amoniri) and physical adaptations (snouted helmets for the lupine Fenrisal), and thus they all appear uniform.
It's a damned shame that the Discovery people didn't just canonize that version. But, then again, being Discovery, I question if it would've been handled well.
Leave it up to STD to infect another area of Star Trek with its lazy, incoherent writing. How does refrigeration increase elasticity or even allow for a gelatinous state??? I would think that being in a refrigeration suit is the opposite of flexible, on top of breaking the laws of physics. And of course he acts like a high school girl around his girl boss lover. This garbage needs to end already. I will give a praise on the Breen suits and sets, though. The art department did their job well.
Aliens.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Aliens or otherwise, it defies the laws of physics. Bad writing from people who focus more on DEI than writing well thought out content.
@@justinwallace269 how so? What "physics" does it violate?
@@nextlevelenglish5858 How doesn't it is the question. Using refrigeration to maintain a gelatinous state?? One that is transitioned to from a solid organic state in average temperatures no less. The refrigeration would cause either state to completely solidify. It's literally the opposite condition you'd need to maintain it. It would make more sense if they made the Breen some sort of nitrogen blooded lifeform that can't survive in our temperatures without vaporizing.
Then there's the next question: Why? Why do they go from a solid to a gelatinous state in the first place? They claim it makes them more flexible, less limiting than a solid form. Flexible in what capacity? Certainly not physically since they rely on a stiff, heavy refrigeration suit to maintain it. Mentally? If so, then how?
The reason they did this is because the writers thought they'd tug on some memberberries by making the Breen have something in relatable to Changelings. "Look, they're like a proto Changelings! They're Changlinging! And that's why they allied with the Dominion!" Except that none of it makes an ounce of sense. They're not assuming any new form of or mental state that make meaningful difference. It seems to be yet another allegory to some nonsensical social message. As always with these newer shows, the writers don't a have a brain cell between them.
I'm not even going to get into what they did to the personalities and mystique of the Breen, aside from saying that it's all out character assassination.
so now they ruined that too
Not at all. Disco is bad in general but this was not terrible
Wow, you're that fragile? 🤱🏼🤱🏼
STD...enough said.
It’s unfortunate
More like Star Trek DISScovery
This video didn't get it quite right. The solid form the Breen take is held through focus. The suits allow them to not have to focus on being solid.
There’s no evidence of that
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, I wouldn't say there's no evidence. The show is so poorly written it leaves a lot open for interpretation. I should have mentioned that you are incorrect at no fault of your own. Read the Screen Rant article on the episode, I'd link it but YT doesn't like that. Google "jelly Breen" which is their own joke name for them and you should find the article. The writer goes into detail, even admitting that their explanation was "muddy".
Thought they needed to be in a very hot environment hence why we never saw them out of their suits..
This series is absolute crap..... like babies trying to write sci fi,,,
Won’t argue with your assessment of the show
Their suits are refrigerated... 😅
you have never seen trek. From the very first time we see the Breen, Dukat mentions that they need REFRIGERATION suits, and in that episode, they need the Cardassians and Bajornas to do the work because the planet is too hot for the Breen.
Reason #249 why I’m glad I don’t watch Discovery. Just as unnecessary as other current bs Trek shows 🤦🏻♂️😩
Was this choice that bad?
New Trek keeps ruining things. They look dumb and defy logic. How would a creature go from more flexible and gelatinous when cold, to inflexible and solid when warm? The mystery was the point, and even if New Trek writers were good at their job, a reveal was never going to be satisfying.
It’s not human.
who cares. It is the Kurtzman Trek which is also the JJVerse. Which admittedly is an alternate reality.
Yeah I try to think of it as some
Other franchise
@@GiantFreakinRobot after watching enough episodes, Discovery seems more like an evolution of Kevin Sorbo and Andromeda rather than Roddenberry Star Trek
And that alone makes it unworthy of watching? Star wars isn't part of trek canon, am I allowed to watch that with you crying?
@@themisplaced nobody said that. But if you get more upset, maybe someone will!
That being said, it's unworthy of watching because it's bad. It's as simple as that. You can watch it, but if other people think it isn't good, that's no reason to keep crying about their opinions on youtube. Man up and enjoy your show.
Doesn't count. It's not really Star Trek.
Normally I’d agree but this probably does
@@GiantFreakinRobot
No, it really doesn't.
this is canon, it is 100% part of the story of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, PIC, and SNW
@@nextlevelenglish5858
And _you_ believe that, and that's what's _important!_ 🥰
I choose not to see it.
But you did!
I like the aspect of primogeniture being the driving force in the Breen Confederacy. L'ak being the Primarch's nephew means his father was not the first born son. Being demoted while having ambition has to be the worst.
This also explains their aggressive and war-like nature; this opens up the possibility that the worlds in the secret protocol with the Dominion were simply the spoils meant to be the empires of those not first born.
The Breen are essentially the Spanish conquistadors of Star Trek.
Not quite sure I see it, but interesting theory!
It’s not really Star Trek, so there is that.
Disco is a mess, no doubt
This was so stupid on discovery’s part
Why do you say that?
actually daftpunk
No one suspected Lok was Breen?? God.. I deduced it right from the start!
Based on what?
So did I.
Stamets mentioning he didn't recognise his race combined with all the Breen references is what got me thinking.
God this show is so fucking terrible
No argument there!
Not cannon. Not even Star Trek.
Sadly it is both
@@GiantFreakinRobot Happily it is neither. I'm an expert on Star Trek. You may consider me an authority if you can't determine what things are and arent on your own. I promise you its not trek. Even a casual fan of star trek is of an authority above those making the live action shows or the billionaire girl who inherited the IP. They've never watched much if any star trek. They are on record as saying they dont like star trek. They are on record saying they arent really making star trek. They made their own thing and put 'star trek' on it. Only bots, borgs and fools are being fooled.
It was my understanding they needed refrigerated suits which is why they had the masks.
Watch the video
What I would like to know is, was this idea for the Breen new, or conceptualized 34 years ago?
New for sure
you realize that the only put a helmet on the breen because they didnt want to have to design a new species, again. Just laziness.
Cool
I was thinking it would have been interesting if they turned out to look exactly like humans, but just wore their helmets for other reasons.
Eh that would have just seemed lazy
@@GiantFreakinRobot Making them look very similar to modern Romulans isn't much better TBH.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere nothing alike, you mean? 😅
Shyte
Why?