Factory Stock VS Precision Chassis - Accuracy Test
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Hey guys! Thanks for stopping by. In today’s video we compare a factory Remington 700 stock to a precision rifle chassis. The chassis we have chosen is the MDT ESS Chassis.
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Definitely sold me on keeping the hogue!
I really like your videos. You keep it simple and to the point. I usually watch these types of videos to get an idea of what upgrades are worth doing and what upgrades are not. I like how you present the information.
Thanks so much! We try to be simple and to the point. No need for a bunch of fluff with these types of videos.
Save your money will make no diffrence
Love your honesty. The chassis changed what the rifle liked. Those who shoot get it. So much more flexibility and comfort on the better chassis too.
I hate that Hogue factory stock. I hate it even more when upgrading stock/chassis cost more than the rifle itself!
Boyds exists
We use the federal fusion for all our hunting trips across all different caliber of rifles and they have proven themselves reliable in accuracy and terminal performance.
Luckily we bought a very nice supply to last many years for 5 of us before the I sanity began and ammo makers and powder primer manufacturers began selling mainly to Europe and Africa .
Thanks Hogdon
Thanks ammo makers
every time I see one of these type videos it just makes me appreciate my cheap ass Savage Axis II rifle that does sub MOA with PMC Bronze in .308. Eventually I'll put some match ammo through it but I want to get a good camera system to prove it to the world....
Awesome way to do some great experiments and involve as many shooters as you can so we all can learn a little more! Thank you for your time “and ammo” lol great video!
Finally, a good shot to test a rifle !! Thank you !!
Looked like your scope was touching the chassis too. Almost seemed like you shoot the factory stock more consistently.
Yes, the scope was mounted too low, will definately touch.
What I j7st saw was an extremely consistent shooting stock... and a chassis that made you say "wow" at how inconsistent it was.
Have to say it .. if you can't tell which one is "the flier", then it ain't one... Looked like the factory stock was more consistent across ammo types. To me, looked like personal bias towards the chassis because it's COOL!
Thank you for the honest review.
I've been subbed for 1 year and this dude doesn't bs with stupid kid intros.
Keeps this channel for adults. Very very impressed
Thank you! I try my best to keep it to the point because I know time is valuable 👍
Same rifle minus the brake and with 168 smk I'm shooting .5 in the hogue stock and cheap blackhawk pod. Good test.
That chassis looks amazing mate, love it👌
Thanks! MDT definitely creates some awesome products 👍😁
Great video! I would say the overall comfort and options of the upgraded stock are way more of an improvement than the accuracy…. I’ve seen many “deer rifles” shoot groups as good as both of the setups in this video. Not saying it isn’t worth upgrading the stock! Just don’t think you’ll see a huge difference in accuracy
Both my Remington 700 (.308) and my custom build LR-308 that I built love the 168gr and 175gr rounds you shot, but also do have good groupings with 180gr rounds.
Great stuff. Was hitting about moa with m118 with a ruger predator . After mdt lss, brought it closer to .65".
Was 500 bucks worth it...
Hell ya, especially when you're at 500 yds or further
It makes an ordinary rifle into something that you can get competitive at.
Consistently great content. Well done comparison.
Thanks so much!!
Great video, helps a lot with a purchase I will be making soon. Would like to see again with 5 shot grouping. 3 shots never add the 4th or 5th flyer you can guarantee will happen every single time. I don’t like 3 shots to be the standard and I hate that companies say it. It’s not a good denominator
Good video I would like to see what happened with 9 or 10 round groups
Thanks! We will revisit or sure and do more with it. We are stretching the range back so we can work in more distance as well.
Exactly! 3 shots are not a reliable group.
yes would def like to see this same test on different popular firearms. more rounds are necessary to get a more acurate grouping average. good video
i feel it was more about ergonomics rather than the stock flexing.
I own a REM 700P and opted to just get my stock professionally bedded. With match grade factory loads It’s a 0.3 MOA rifle. I think it ran me about $300 to get it done and another 150 to add DBM. I think the smith added the single stage Timney trigger at cost and set it to 2.0lbs. It’s running an older US Optics SN3 scope with an IPHY reticle.
Rem 700 Police series rifles have a MUCH more rigid Plastic stock than the SPS tac does, Bedding them would help. But that is NOT the case on the SPS tac as the Hogue overmolded stock has a very "floppy" forend, its not rigid. its more stiff rubber than solid plastic so it WILL bend more easily when force is applied from below as a Bipod would do.
I think the biggest advantage the chassis provides is the ability to have consistency of your comfort and attachments. But if you suck at shooting, you will still suck at shooting with a chassis too.
Sweet video bro.... Subscribed for sure!!!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Great video. I have the same REM 700. I actually love the stock, not withstanding the flex issues but it doesn’t really bother me as it’s still a very accurate rifle.. I use the Federal Fusion in 180 grain. My understanding is that with the 20” barrel, the 1 in 10 twist stabilises the heavier round much more than the lighter ones so the heavier rounds outperform with this configuration. It’s also designed to be used with a suppressor, without losing accuracy 👍
Cool and good info, thanks!
@@buildhuntxplore 😂😂
Put it in a chassis and you’ll love it a lot more.
Great information bud! I’m torn on what to get here. I’m in the market for a 308 threaded barrel hunting rifle. I’m trying to stay under 1K. Do you think the Remington 700 is still the best option out there? I’d really appreciate your feedback
@@palumbo78 ruger american predator
awesome video, ive found that using moly graph grease on all of my bolt guns makes the cycling of the bolt much smoother and doesnt require as much torque. it also helps prevent wear much more than standard gun lube does. also 175 grain smk is what ive found to do the best out of my 24" r700 and my 16" daniel defense ar10, roughly 4" groups at 500 yards compared to 5.5" groups from 168 grain smk
Does it have a strong smell? also how much do you apply. thanks
Buy a savage 10/110 and don’t worry about a gritty bolt or grease
@@reddawng43x91 why not add a grease to aid in the longevity of your gun? I ain't fighting in some dust bowl, just range and hunting
Love it man, I need to try some heavier loads in my savage- it also has a shorter barrel and might do well.
Thanks! Yeah it might like them. Good luck!
my fcp-sr does great with 178gr hornady precision hunter, minus 150 gr core lokt this gun hasnt been happy with anything else I have tried. As far as target ammo the federall GMM 168 shoot very good in my gun, want to try the heavier version as well whenever 308 ammo is available again :(
Damn you’re a great shot, you can tell just by the way your shoot the regular stock
Thanks for watching!
It is very apparent that you took more time in between each shot of the group with the chassis, so I’m not sure we can rule out user bias here. But showing the different loads was definitley informational. I’ve found mine like the federal fusion the best too if all the different factory loads I’ve gone thru.
No I cut the time out between shots so you guys wouldn’t have to wait on me lol
Great video, I'm doing the exact same upgrade. Just had a question. What's the length of the barrel vs the length of the MDT forend?
First shot of last group was probably a shooter induced flyer. Redo with 10 round groups. Allowing proper cooling between
Great vid.
I have the ess chassie also with a rem700 in 6.5x55 swede in it. I hunt with it alot, it is my favorite rifle. But i have the forend with the partly picatinny so the scope can sit low without touching.
Excellent video. thumbs up
Thank you!!
Awesome video, I just bought my first bolt gun, a Bergara premier 6.5CM, definitely gonna subscribe to check out more stuff!
Thanks! Nice, I’ve heard great things about Bergara rifles. Thanks for following along!
I’ve got a Bergara chambered in 300PRC with a Nightforce ATACR. I put 4 rounds thru the same hole more or less from 200 yards with factory match ammo (Hornady Precision Hunter 212gr ELD-X) during the break in process. Now I know 200 yards isn’t anything for 300PRC. I was just getting a good zero. Really good rifles in my opinion.
Thanks for the info. How comfortable is it shooting on one knee, sitting down and standing with this platform? How's the recoil with the new chassis? Thank you
Just sold me on a MDT stock for my Savage SA. Cheers from Raleigh-ish
The federal 180s have might have a different powder type which could throw the very first shot of the new type off. I read that in my reloading manual and seems to have some merit for me
Thanks for doing a real world comparison...this is just the video and review I was wanting to see on the MTD Chasis system!!! The only thing that could have made this better was 10 round groups. Excellent video though!
MDT has the Sexiest chassis on the market, and Triggertech makes AMAZING triggers.
I use both on all my bolt actions
Man that’s gotta be stupid loud. I’ve got a 700 308 24” varmint barrel with no muzzle break and it’s got some blast to it
LOL It's pretty intense.
So is that a different bolt on your stock rifle or did you just saw off and put on an oversized bolt handle? I have this rifle in a 308 and it does flex like hell but shoots great. I use 165 gr Sierra gameking at 42.5 grains of 4064. Shoots like a dream, but I'm definitely changing the stock
Very nice rig, may I suggest that the rear ring should be as far back as possible as to provide a broader support of the scope tube. Dave & The Girls
Thanks and thanks!
"I really shanked that one" 😂 proceeds to put one more right on top of it and another realll close
amazing just amazing.
Nice ! what length is that barrel? Also what length is the forend on the ess chassis? 15 “ ?
My favorite budget bonded bullet is federal fusion or speer gold dot. Funny the law enforcement load is 15 cents cheaper right now. I have do all load with is 168 gold dot bought few thousand when they were 29 cents a bullet. My 20inch version of same gun loves 175 tmk and 175 smk. Using 43.1 grains of varget
I'm not impressed. I can agree that the,chassis is nicer to shoot than the factory stock, but your test doesn't reflect anything.
A .03 moa increase on the Hornady ammo is not even worth mentioning.
A .23 moa increase on the Federal GMM is fair, but the 1.17 moa loss of accuracy in the Fusion is terrible. I assume you are a decent shooter, so you would know when you shank a round. You were dumbfounded by that one shot which means you felt good about it.
One three round group does not reflect the accuracy of a rifle. You should have used the whole box, at minimum, three 3 round groups of each to get an average, then you can tell if there is really an improvement.
Great Video! Aluminum bedding block, or complete aluminum chassis, Mcree Precision, AICS. Makes a differences.
Some thing you might be interested in looking into. Look at the Hornady Match 168gr vs the Federal Match 168gr. I have the same rifle and moved to a MDT XRS chasses. I would be interested to see your results with your rifle.
Great shooting! So, I’m in the market looking for 308 threaded barrel for hunting only. I’m trying to stay under 1k so I can put some great glass on it. Should you go with the Remington 700 tactical aac? Or do you have anything else you’d recommend?
Great information as always what mag are you using in the new stock that works so nicely?
Thanks! It’s an MDT metal magazine. Really good quality. Fits and feeds extremely well. They offer two versions, one with the binder plate and one without. With binder plate for factory ammo or reloads within reason. If you want to push the OAL, no binder plate. Thanks for watching!
It would be interesting to see a comparison of factory stock against one that has been bedded and fore end stiffening, I epoxied an aluminum strut into mine.
Mine are 2 Howa 308s; 1st was the Knoxx Axiom, 2nd was Hogue. I can't justify a chassis.
For the detachable magazine do you have to modify anything or is it a plug in play type thing ?
I have that rifle with the factory stock. I filled the fore-end of the stock with carbon fiber tubing and JB well while a ten pound weight hung from the front stub. She no long flexes at all, and is still fully floated. Plus it looks a lot less mall ninja at the range.
Great video! Your barrel is 20 inches correct? Or longer due to muzzle device. Thank you for showing a great video!
My perspective - is this - that I started shooting some 44 yrs ago. Before 23 - I fired 10,000 rnds a year for 5 yrs. I knew when I pulled and when I shot clean. I saw in my mind - the call - and I called my shots for 2 more years. It was a way - to make my brain confirm when I did it all right. And If I called wrong - I did pull it. I kept trying to see the sights at the instant it broke. It got so I could not trick my brain.
Some believe - calling shots on camera - is calling shots. It is not - it is making the story fit your story and deceiving yourself.
The mind game - used in shooting will give you a rock solid advantage - over those who just pull a trigger and wish they shot better - after the fact. You have the added benefit - of know you are better - and can apply it to your whole life. Those who call good groups - their talent - and bad groups - blaming the firearm, will not serve you well.. It you doubt the mind body - ask those who use it - how many points they get from just the mind. Its 30% in double blind studies.
I have challenged and bested anschutz rifles with a Winchester 52. They shot 1 inch groups. I had 2 bullets in one hole - 6 times. in a row. My sighters were single holes.
Why comment - I never blamed the rifle or stock for my shooting. My shooting was mine to own. If I pull 1 inch at 100 yds - what bad shot can I mess up - at more distance.
Be well!
I think the chassis matters more on cheaper factory rifles with pencil barrels, reference the Eric Cortina 6.5 Creedmoor NeedsMore series. Also due to barrel harmonics different chassis could produce different results with factory ammo. I’d love to see you put a barrel tuner on and redo this test.
Nice video. What do you think about McMillan stocks? I haven´t tried them, but they look badass.
Im literally going to copy your build but Im probably going to through a 22 inch barrel and a can on it. I love Riton, and MDT
Seeing the 3rd attempt going through the same hole was 😙 👌
id say the bigger bonuses of a chassis are the fact that they look sick and they are usually way more ergonomical. good review though
The precision chassis will always work better than most factory stock.
Will no no difference on a cheap rifle
Trigger Tech triggers are excellent! I have two, the standard and the AR-Diamond. But I keep having a problem with the AR diamond trigger, no-fault of the trigger; it should be compatible with a Uintah Precision upper barreled action, but not with mine upper, two breaks, the hammer. Repair even if it cost me for the fix.
They really are! I hate to hear you're having issues.
Have to take these results with a good amount of salt.
Statistically significant testing is gonna cost you some ammo.
Yeah, probably accurate results, but "three round groups aren't"
Great video! Seriously considering getting a 700 in the near future and love seeing these reviews to get more info. Wanted to ask about the bolt action, what all changes did you make there? Looks like a different bolt knob, wasn’t sure about the rest. Any recommendations on any changes on the action assembly based on your experience? Looking to work my way up to a 1000 yd shooter. Thanks!
Mixing different rounds right after another will cause flyers. Clean your barrel before you swap diffrent ammos. Diffrent powder residues down the barrel burning. .........
Do not buy a Rem 700. Modern day production is junk. Many better rifles on the market like Bergara, Tikka and Savage if you are dead set on a factory rifle.
@@tinfoilsombrero1439 serious question? Can you explain why they are just? I’m in the market to buy a 308 threaded barrel Hunting rifle. I would really appreciate your feedback before I make a decision.
@@palumbo78
I can explain it with one sample size. I have a Rem 700 my wife and kids got me for Father’s Day about 8 years ago. I spent $1100 just getting the thing true. If it weren’t a gift, I would have just trashed it and called it a loss. I felt compelled to remedy the issues and they are as follows:
• action face, 0.014” out of true
• action face looked like it was parted off with a hacksaw
• scope base screws, 0.028” out of alignment
• recoil lug, set 0.040” out of true
• bolt body, bowed 0.068”
• bolt-to-action fit has to be 0.100” too large. The bolt just wobbles
• bolt handle broke off
• firing pin assembly looked like the spring was 2” too long. It was a Z shape
• firing pin bushing is about 0.040” too large and the flow from the primer is ridiculous and unnecessary
Get a Bergara if you’re going the factory route. I’ve researched the heck out of them, shot them and they took the time to care about things Remington didn’t. They shoot great and honor their work and respect
their customers.
That said, if you really want to be super happy, go custom with good components and a renowned rifle builder and you will NEVER be disappointed.
Some guns need free floating and some do not it all depends on barrel harmonics barrel thickness and type of mechanical connection from the barreled action to the stock generally you will see some improvements tho
If I'm not mistaken twist rate is less about bullet weight and more about bullet length. Longer bullets just tend to be heavier. But in the case of round nose soft point hunting bullets you get higher weights with the same bullet length. So I wouldn't assume that your 1 in 10 twist barrel likes heavier AND longer projectiles. If you go to a 180gr hollow point boat tail I doubt you'll have the same result.
I would say your rifle likes the 180 grain units !! Mine also likes the federal match kings 168 units !! I might try the the 180’s ! My old 30-06 loved those for cold barrel first shot !!! It was AMAZINGLY ACCURATE !!!Why, I have no idea ???
One suggestion: I would add about 3 lbs of BB’s to the fore end and expoxy those in ! Then add about 3-5 more pounds of BB’s in a condum, wrapped in a sock in the stock !! The over all weight should be about 11 lbs !! Make sure the barrel is still free floated !!! Your much heavier rifle will be So much more fun at the range with much less recoil on those 180’s and have much less barrel jump !!! Those cheap modifications will match the accuracy of the high dollar stock !!! When you want to hunt, take out the sock in the stock and you have a much lighter hunting rifle !! Too Easy !!
I'd like to see this done again but with the factory stock bedded properly and maybe 2-3 different shooters behind it. A good bedding job can really help a factory stock, is pretty simple to do and a very cheap accuracy fix vs a chassis. But lets be honest most guys go with the chassis cus they look cool and are easy to install. I gotta admit that 16.5 barrel looks money in that MDT despite being a traditional stock type of guy myself.
Bedding wouldnt help with the Hogue chassis as they are soft in the forend and bend when loaded up. On a wood or lamintae stock sure but not the hogue overmoulds.
I have an SPS tactical in .308 and I swapped out to the magpul hunter stock, which works well enough. However, I've always wanted a more "Precision stock", but I feel like I'm better off buying something in a 6.X cal along with that stock. Thoughts?
I'd say it depends on the ranges you think you'll be shooting at. 6.5 Creed is a great caliber but if your longest shot will be 500 yards, .308 is probably the move.
Setup is fantastic, if you don’t mind me asking what’s the barrel length on your R700? Looks great with the ESS
Looks like he’s using a 16.5 inch barrel.
Thanks so much! Yep this one is 16.5. Definitely loving it!
I was having some issues with my R700 SPS .223 couldn’t get the groups to close I was shooting around 1MOA at 100 yards that was it I bought a HS precision stock well I ended up selling it and Gor myself an M24 SWS end of my problems
I usually aim for the center of the target... it's clear what yr aiming at then
Guess I got lucky, my SPS is my best shooting rifle. Consistently. I would love a chasis, wouldn't hurt my feelings to change it. Chasis systems are typically out of my price range. Guess I will just have to make due. Mine loves the 178 A-Max/ELD bullets over Varget or RE-15. You should try them with this rifle.
Try a KRG Bravo. $350 and guaranteed to love it.
There are two types of shooters. Those that 'plink' with a factory setup, and those that build a custom rifle. When on a budget, its always best to buy a rifle, throw the factory stock, and get a decent stock.
1 in 10 Twist wants longer ogive... try some 200 grain handloads as well. Or Match king 195 HPBT. If you wanna keep weight down for speed use monolithic ammo since its a longer bullet for similar weight to lead core ammo.
Are there any mdt chassis that keep floor plate? Or do you have to change to magazine?
The chassis can give you more possibilities with all the bells and wesles it has, but accuracy won’t change from the stock stock.
I wouldnt necessarily consider that Hogue rubber overmolded full pillar bed stock "factory". Its an option from the manufacturer yes, but far from a basic synthetic stock
I may have missed it but what is the barrel length on your rifle?
What APP did you use to take a picture and did the MOA calculation?
168 over any other grain 🎉🎉🎉 y opinion. All my builds had the best grouping with 168 grains
good video, thanks.
I know the factory stock of that Remington 700 has flex when preloading on a bipod, but I couldn't help notice that your average time between shots on the factory stock were about 4 sec (+/- .) and your avg on the ESS was about 8 sec (+/- .) Sub MOA on a factory stock is nice, but do you think the groups could have been better on the factory stock if you gave it equal time in between shots as you did on the ESS? im sure the added seconds wouldn't make a whole lot of difference because an aftermarket chassis is still superior.
just pointing out he edited out the time in between shots. we dont know how long he took on those shots but it is longer than 4 seconds
@@mrzombiesawesome in one of the shots it does appear that he edited. but for the rest its not. it was an average anyway. but im sure you can agree that his shots in between on the ess were longer...anyway, like i said, an after market chassis is superior.
@@ridehi8083 please watch again. It is edited in every single shot he takes
@@mrzombiesawesome upon closer inspection of the video, you are correct. thanks.
looks like you took more time between rounds with the precision stock. Speed shooting with the factory stock.
No, I just cut the dead time out so you didn't have to wait
good video but more importantly an honest video. too many creators mask up the pulls and errors etc.
Thank you! If I screw up, I’ll be the first to tell ya, haha. Thanks for watching!
Put some good bedding between the stock and the barrel on the stock, stock if that makes sense
If its not their HS Precision ones, perhaps. I had one shooting 3/8" totally stock. She was the older 5R though and I added weight to the hollow.
I wish I would have bought before they changed over.. I wanted a 5R! I have the exact one pictured here however it does shoot pretty well so I won't complain.
@@Version135 Yeah she was a tack, leaving behind many envious high dollar rigs. I wanted to do some other things to her, but with her shooting like that, I didn't want to risk upsetting her. Got lucky to get her early on in their initial run because an ex marine sniper friend I shot with knew someone at Remington and gave me the heads up. He was amazed, and bragging her off more than me, he had a nice PSS shooting half inch all day as well, modded tho.
Whats the barrel length on the rem700 and the rail length on thr MDT? Im looking at putting my Bergara SP 18" in an MDT ESS with 15" rail, but if that is a 15" rail on an 20" barrel, I might not clear the handguard
he's using a 16.5" barrel and a 15" handguard... im planning on buying the 18" handguard for my 18.5" savage heavy barrel i kinda like the low profile
Scope clearance a problem with this chassis? Im suspecting that you would have to get higher rings?
Will a magpul magazine fit in the ess stock? Or do they sell specific mags for that stock? Thanks!
They should fit fine.
great video. What is the twist of the barrel of your rifle ? thanks, Pascal
Thanks! It's a 1:10 twist.
I like shooting 5 round groups
Last magazine you throw it in the box. Locked and Loaded!
Great video but what did you use to calculate the MOA on your phone
Thanks! Ballistic X App
So what’s the distance your sighted in at for this video? I’m guessing 100 yards that’s almost always the case for these types of videos and whoever someone sights in a new rifle and scope or setup.
I wish we could have watched you swap the rifle to the new chassis.
you should have noted as well that box are tested with 24" barrel so the fps is going to be off from the start
Really need to redo the test with out useing the check rest on the chassis as you have very bad check weld on fatory stock... Have done this test and check weld will make more difference than a chassis if stock is half-decent..
That's one aspect we wanted to show, that the better chassis has the available adjustable cheek rest.
@@buildhuntxplore yeah but you can add a check rest for almost nothing....
A cheaper alternative would be the Magpul stock system
True, and I have one, but I’ve had the polymer M-Lol portions tear up on me. There’s also a basic chassis system from MDT that’s far less expensive. If I’m looking for modularity and durability, aluminum is definitely the way to go.