I built my first wagon vice last early spring using a D.F. 4x4 using very inexpensive hardware just to have one for some family projects I'm working on. I made it totally removable in one piece. Since I first saw your wagon vice I new that was the only way to go. I'm building a new bench this winter the wagon vice is going to be the star of that bench not a two day throw project. Thanks again for what you do and all uf us you have helped.
Okay, I am convinced. If the opportunity arrises, could you show the side mount? Just starting my workbench and shop, but I will be constrained by space. As a vet, thank you for all that you do1
I use a wagon vise and it's really a fine arrangement. My front vise is a leg vise and crochet/deadman on the far side. The combination gives me all the holdng I've ever needed. If I had it to do over I'd probably buy Rob's for the quality and the double start.
Is there something wrong with a configuration where the thread goes through the moving part and is attached to the end of the hole in the workbench + adding thread on the moving part. I think that would make so the screw doesn't project out of the workbench and I don't think it needs any extra hardware. Just swap where it's attached and add a hole in the end of the workbench for the screw to turn loosely.
This would be my choice also, a more compact arrangement and you are not absorbing the thrust with the end cap of the main slab, which let us face it, must deflect. Here is the fatal flaw of incorporating the nut into the wagon: the screw blocks the use of dogs in through mortises! Compromises must then be made, such as a much smaller screw.
Thanks for your explanation. I have a question : to me but i may be wrong, thé screw does not need to bé longer than thé distance between two (square) holes plus a few inch for thé installation. Why IS thé screw that long? Thanks.
Perfect timing and very good advice on the wood movement, I'm planning the install soon and would not have thought of that. I got the Taylor (taytools) version and I also bought a wheel for the screw end. Looks nicer than the handle that comes with the tool.
Conventional vises, like your example on the other bench, have dogs that perform the same function, although you might argue that there is side load instead of inline load. That's fair, but if you have to use so much force to hold down a piece that side load is an issue then you've overtightened the vise.
Agreed. I was referring to normal operation of the vise when holding a piece of wood vertically in the vife against its face. All vises of this type have the same racking issue, although I think the Sjoberg vise does the best job of eliminating most of the rack.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking True. My vise has a central dog, and with the vise being positioned near an edge I can clamp most work with no racking. It works for me... at least for now. Thanks, Sir.
Not far ago I purchased both the RC Shoulder Vise and this exact Wagon Vise. I was surprised that the Wagon Vise extends outwards and it seems this is the only thing that can be improved here. Otherwise very well made and very solid hardware. I was just looking for instructions how to mount it.
i built one of these benches a few years back (minus the tool well. hate them). used both a cosman shoulder and tail vise. pricey, to be sure. but you get what you pay for. the screws are of the highest build quality and the speed with which they turn is amazing. i absolutely love my tail vise. my favorite feature of the bench.
I wish I could have watched your "bench build" workshop series before I built my traditional tail vise (about 20 or so years ago)! The hardware I used can't reliably remain level when clamping - a defect your wagon wheel arrangement avoids. That hardware is pretty sweet, too. Maybe in my next workbench!
Rob, I am interested in the detail of the sliding "lugs" on the wagon. Is the wagon made this way for easy unclamping and replacement of those? All the best!
An alternative design that disposes of the bulky handle is to use a regular clamp inserted from the front side of the bench to provide the closing force. In this case you can insert the wagon in one piece from the back end and all the reaction force is taken up by the clamp. I built this and it works beautifully, but it doesn't look as pretty as yours.
First I enjoy your videos, but I was shocked by the price of this vise. I noticed in your 10 woods you hate video, you were using a wood piece to hold wider boards in the vise. For the amount you are charging for basically a one trick pony vise, you can buy a Klein twin screw and not have the wide board and other issues. Sorry, but your vise, although beautifully designed and built, it is just arm candy. The Klein is fast, no racking, and compact. Sorry you need to rethink your vise
I wonder how long the mechanisms last on the Hovarter. There’s no warranty info on the website. I don’t mind it taking a little longer to install if it’s a simple mechanism that will last.
Sorry but as good as we try to cover every skill level that watches we cannot get everyone. Installing a wagon vise is not a beginner operation. You need to get some woodwork time under your belt. Watch it a couple times and I think you will get it. If you still have questions submit them to our customer support system at Robcosman.com
If you liked this video check out the video on The Cosman Workbench: ruclips.net/video/O0kN1URBUUQ/видео.html
I built my first wagon vice last early spring using a D.F. 4x4 using very inexpensive hardware just to have one for some family projects I'm working on. I made it totally removable in one piece. Since I first saw your wagon vice I new that was the only way to go. I'm building a new bench this winter the wagon vice is going to be the star of that bench not a two day throw project. Thanks again for what you do and all uf us you have helped.
I hoped this builds video helps you with your next build
All your videos help.
thanks mate, great explanation of fixing and fitting...good to see a new vid, keep well :)
Glad it helped
Great content many thanks for all that you do and teach
If Rob puts his name behind something i know it's great! Been wanting to upgrade from "wagon vise" i made years ago when i build a new bench!
Now is your chance
I love that vise, good design
Howdy Jim!
ROB "Sampson" Cosman good job on this video.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Okay, I am convinced. If the opportunity arrises, could you show the side mount? Just starting my workbench and shop, but I will be constrained by space. As a vet, thank you for all that you do1
Mine is not designed as a side mount
😊@@RobCosmanWoodworking
I use a wagon vise and it's really a fine arrangement. My front vise is a leg vise and crochet/deadman on the far side. The combination gives me all the holdng I've ever needed. If I had it to do over I'd probably buy Rob's for the quality and the double start.
Thanks fir the comment
Is there something wrong with a configuration where the thread goes through the moving part and is attached to the end of the hole in the workbench + adding thread on the moving part. I think that would make so the screw doesn't project out of the workbench and I don't think it needs any extra hardware. Just swap where it's attached and add a hole in the end of the workbench for the screw to turn loosely.
I would consider an arrangement closer to Fireball Tool's Hard Tail Vice. A couple of features are enclosing the screw and adding a thrust bearing.
Well you could but the better way to do that is attach the sliding block with a bearing that rides on the scre
This would be my choice also, a more compact arrangement and you are not absorbing the thrust with the end cap of the main slab, which let us face it, must deflect. Here is the fatal flaw of incorporating the nut into the wagon: the screw blocks the use of dogs in through mortises! Compromises must then be made, such as a much smaller screw.
Thanks very good advice
@RobCosmanWoodWorking do you glue the dovetail end into the end cap thereby trapping the tailvice permanently?
Thanks for your explanation. I have a question : to me but i may be wrong, thé screw does not need to bé longer than thé distance between two (square) holes plus a few inch for thé installation. Why IS thé screw that long? Thanks.
Perfect timing and very good advice on the wood movement, I'm planning the install soon and would not have thought of that. I got the Taylor (taytools) version and I also bought a wheel for the screw end. Looks nicer than the handle that comes with the tool.
I much prefer the handle over the wheel
Looks like a good idea.
It is!
And "big honking" things usually relate to quality specially if it's something beautiful as well!!!
I love big honking
Just a thought. With no great force required, would a wheel such as seen on a moxon vice be an option?
Yes Rob mentioned that as an option. It works well but does not have the double travel that Rob's screw does.
Our wagon vice does not come with a wheel opton, only the wood handles
Great insight.
Thanks for watching
Conventional vises, like your example on the other bench, have dogs that perform the same function, although you might argue that there is side load instead of inline load. That's fair, but if you have to use so much force to hold down a piece that side load is an issue then you've overtightened the vise.
Agreed. I was referring to normal operation of the vise when holding a piece of wood vertically in the vife against its face. All vises of this type have the same racking issue, although I think the Sjoberg vise does the best job of eliminating most of the rack.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking True. My vise has a central dog, and with the vise being positioned near an edge I can clamp most work with no racking. It works for me... at least for now. Thanks, Sir.
Not far ago I purchased both the RC Shoulder Vise and this exact Wagon Vise. I was surprised that the Wagon Vise extends outwards and it seems this is the only thing that can be improved here. Otherwise very well made and very solid hardware. I was just looking for instructions how to mount it.
Yes thats one of the reasons we filmed this a sister video on the shoulder vise is coming
good job
Thank you
Hi Rob, would you recommend this vise for your mdf benches or is it aimed at the higher end benches like the one you
deminstrate
You could add it to the Cosman bench and several folks have. The trick there is cutting out the cavity for fitting the vise into
I made such a vice - stainless steel and brass , cost $ 50 and same work
Perfect.
Thanks for watching
i built one of these benches a few years back (minus the tool well. hate them). used both a cosman shoulder and tail vise. pricey, to be sure. but you get what you pay for. the screws are of the highest build quality and the speed with which they turn is amazing. i absolutely love my tail vise. my favorite feature of the bench.
I wish I could have watched your "bench build" workshop series before I built my traditional tail vise (about 20 or so years ago)! The hardware I used can't reliably remain level when clamping - a defect your wagon wheel arrangement avoids. That hardware is pretty sweet, too. Maybe in my next workbench!
You should do another build
Jesus! You have risen!!!!
Rob, I am interested in the detail of the sliding "lugs" on the wagon. Is the wagon made this way for easy unclamping and replacement of those? All the best!
An alternative design that disposes of the bulky handle is to use a regular clamp inserted from the front side of the bench to provide the closing force. In this case you can insert the wagon in one piece from the back end and all the reaction force is taken up by the clamp. I built this and it works beautifully, but it doesn't look as pretty as yours.
First I enjoy your videos, but I was shocked by the price of this vise. I noticed in your 10 woods you hate video, you were using a wood piece to hold wider boards in the vise. For the amount you are charging for basically a one trick pony vise, you can buy a Klein twin screw and not have the wide board and other issues. Sorry, but your vise, although beautifully designed and built, it is just arm candy. The Klein is fast, no racking, and compact. Sorry you need to rethink your vise
The Hovarter mechanism wagon vise with quick release is a much better design and
simpler to install. It's halt the price of Rob's screw job!
I wonder how long the mechanisms last on the Hovarter. There’s no warranty info on the website. I don’t mind it taking a little longer to install if it’s a simple mechanism that will last.
I'm a newbie, but much of this was incomprehensible. Too much detail, too fast.
Sorry but as good as we try to cover every skill level that watches we cannot get everyone. Installing a wagon vise is not a beginner operation. You need to get some woodwork time under your belt. Watch it a couple times and I think you will get it. If you still have questions submit them to our customer support system at Robcosman.com
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Agreed!