The New Rize and Scope Camper Vans From Thor Motor Coach
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These vans are going to change the way you travel. With two great floor plans, an available SkyBunk Pop Top, and wet bath, the freedom to explore at a moment's notice has never been easier.
In this video, the product manager for the Rize and Scope walks us through all the features of these great little camper vans.
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Can I get the shower toilet combo in the pop top floor plan? Some of the European vans have both Pop Top and shower / toilet in the same van. Why can't Thor do this with the RIZE?
I love the cassette toilet. I do not want to deal with a yucky 🤮 black tank.
We've owned a Carado Axion with a layout nearly identical to that of the Thor Rize TM for several years, and have a VW Eurovan Camper with a layout nearly identical to that of the Thor Scope for 20 years before that. So I can say from long experience with both that both are great layouts. And one important thing the Thor product manager touched on is that with a very small RV like this, it's important to lay out the interior so it doesn't feel cramped. Both layouts succeed admirable at achieving that.
Now prospective buyers who require an RV no longer than 18 feet have two choices--a new Thor Rize or a used Carado Axion like ours (Carado is out of business so new ones are not available). These are the only two modern RVs on the North Amnerican market that are this length. your only other option is a DIY or custom built RV based on the same Ram Promaster 135:" wheelbase high roof platform,. Neither Ford Transit nor Mercedes Sprinter offer such a platform. The short Transit doesn't offer a high roof, and the Sprinter doesn't come in this length. If you want to learn about the Axion alternative and also see a detailed comparison of the two RVs, it's all on the carado Axion Facebook page. There's also a Rize Facebook page.
We've been very happy with the set of compromises that characterize the Rize/Axion layout. Especially with public sector campsites so hard to reserve these days (at the desirable campgrounds at least), we're been able to reserve sites limited to 18 ft. vehicles a number of times. The longer your RV the higher the probability that you'll be unable to reserve a site--especially during holidays and weekends. And that length lets you park in any standard car parkiing space (except in most parking garages), enabling you to use the RV as a second car. Such a length in also inherently stealthier. The Axion is stealthier than the Rize, however, because most of its telltale ports are hidden behind plastic panels along along the bottom of the van (though that also means you have to squat down to access them). On the other hand the Axion lacks those extra seatbelts (though they can be added), and I like the light-colored Rize cabinetry vs. the dark-colored Axion cabinetry.
I loved the cardo Axion, especially the over head lighting and black tank macerator system. These two Scope models are great, and now have the technology. NOTE * the new 2022 1500 promaster van has all the new driver safety tech, remote start , new adaptive cruise and large digital radio screen STANDARD:) The steering wheel and dash look like a 2022 Mercedes benz......! They are shown in youtube videos...................
thank u !
Picking up our Rize with rear bathroom this week - can’t wait. I’m a real estate broker and intend to primarily use it as a mobile office, with the ability to also play on the weekends. Nothing like having your own, private bathroom and office (complete with drinks, etc.) while working on the road during the day. If you’ve not driven one, they are awesome. It has such a tight turning radius you can pull a u-turn on a side street with plenty of space left over, and it fits nicely in a small parking spot. Seriously cool rig!
Hi. That's a great idea. In today's market, you can sit outside your listings and have the other brokers hand-deliver all the offers. Then camp out at the title office in between closings! Enjoy and thanks for writing. - Steve
How has your Rize been treating you these past two years?
Mitch I have a 18m and love it. I even made a Facebook page. Thor scope ride owner and shoppers
Very cool Dee. I will check the page out. - Happy Travels - Steve
This coach makes sense. Love it. Wonder if it’s well insulated?
I am a marine veteran and looking to visit the different dog parks across the country in hope to bring more support to wounded warriors/DAV and I would like a Murphy bed in the scope with out the pop top
Great idea. :)
Four years full-time, Trovato 59K.
Up till now the only all weather floor plan, van in existence.
Heavy rain, enter through the rear onto shower pan, hang up your gear, done. Moisture stays out of the main cabin and heat stays in.
Compare that to:
Open the slider, step on towels? Then what? Where do you put your wet gear to dry?
Enter through the cab?
Seems like a real hassle, that would get old.
(Rear bath includes dedicated exhaust fan and heating duct.)
For a quick hose off:
Take the showerhead outside, shower off, step onto shower pan, do feet, done.
It would be too difficult for me to be full-time with any other floor plan
YAAAAAASSSS!!! Finally a new and short Class B that the HOA will not complain about!!!
Been there doing that with our Axion, which is the same length and layout as the Rize TM. And yes it's a great thing. Honestly it was the only way we could own an RV.
@@phthisics Exactly, i had to remove the exterior awning any markings and black out the windows and it worked, passed INSPECTION of my HOA " KARENS" :) YES!
The weak link in the Rize , is the bed. The next logical step would be a pop top version , so you have more sleeping space , and a bath. Would include wifi booster, and a spare cassette for toilet, that would make for a perfect design
Finally, thor copied the Axion nicely:) smart move to stay under the eighteen foot size, just hope the price is reasonable.
I was very interested to learn about these new RVs until I saw the bed. It measures only 47" x 72" -- too small for two adults.
That's certainly a surprise for my wife and me. We slept in a VW Eurovan Camper bed for 20 years of camping and it's 43" wide. For us the 47" wide bed of our Carado Axion has been pure luxury. The Axion has the same layout as the Rize TM. I'm 6'1" and my wife is 5'7" and + sized BTW. At home we sleep in a queen sized bed, so we know what wider feels like.
Finally❗️ A city friendly RV. Thank you,‼️
with a 47" wide bed that only sleep one...
@@seadude4869 All GREAT things come with sacrifices, and i would have liked a fold out coach/jack knife, but in this size its NON comparable at least as of TODAY. Wait for the 2022 van upgrade model standard!
Go Thor Go!! I have been dreaming of retiring to snowbird in a camper van since my Aunt bought one in the late '60s, but with the insane price of most B's I have assumed for years that it would be a used van. I have a service dog, and a reliable *quiet* generator is a must for him to be left safely in the van. I don't need a ton of fancy pants systems, just a kitchen, bathroom, place to sleep, and nice cool dog. That "M" floorplan is like you read my mind. I can even sell my car because the HOA has nothing to whine about since it's under 20 feet. Thanks Thor!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to write. - Steve
See that raised platform behind the cab? It contains two drawers, and one holds two dog bowls, one for water, the other for kibble.
Nice!!! Now when's the video on the Tranquility and Sanctuary?😉
I love the 18M.... They did a great job.... I might be able to start “van life” in this one.... Tfs ♥️
We already did in our 2017 Carado Axion with the same layout and same platform. See the Axion Facebook page for a detailed comparison with the Rize TM.
wait for the 2022 van model upgrades, its massive, the dash area and steering wheel looks like a s class mercedes benz :) totally updated compared to my travato :(
Excellent. The 18M hits all my points. Thank you.
Hi Ron, thanks for watching. - Steve
Just hope in the FUTURE the 18m will have all additional cut outs hidden out of site like the ROADTREKS (hint, hint) at least there's a start with the cassette toilet , just follow that start please MR. THOR:)
Hi Steve - thank you! I’m a soon to be solo traveler and appreciate the smaller vans. I’ll be full timing it, so I have my fingers crossed for a few options. Most important is a lithium option like on the Sequence (which is a bit to big for me). The Mastervolt system! Please! As an option of course. And also the Thule roof ladder. It should fit in the wet bath like the Sequence I would assume. So glad you did the cassette toilet having as much fresh water is extremely important for boondocking. I don’t think I would ever stay in a campground, thus the need for the lithium bank to run the AC and appliances without a generator, even if it’s quiet , doubt its quiet enough for city stealth camping. Please consider it as an option for us full timers. It’s a deal breaker for me. If it was an option I’d put down my down payment tomorrow!
PS even though the other van isn’t a fit for me, love the idea of a cabinet AC, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. Very creative!
Hi Ben. A few people have asked about lithium in the Rize and Scope so it is something product development is looking into. Thanks for taking the time to write. - Steve
@@ThorMotorCoach I believe in THOR products NOW, quality control has improved tremendously compared to the past (we all learn) im HOPING for a lithium set up standard or optioned as Winnebago, pleasureway, leisureway, JACO offers them standard. When will you start using the 2022 1500 model upgraded driver safety vans......................?
I really LOVE how you designed it with the in cabinet Air Conditioner for the PopTop version....I’m disabled, so I can’t use a PopTop, I can’t climb the ladder....So I’m focusing on the 18M....
Hi. Thanks for watching and feel free to reach out if you have any questions. Thanks - Steve
Would be great if you had a forward facing rear bench seat floor plan with bath. There had been some here in the past, and some markets still have them. Congrats on the quick progress in the class b category.
Sounds great if you just compare RVs by the spec sheet, and forward-facing rear seats are much safer. But there's a reason why Thor deleted the bathroom in the RV (the Scope) with the forward-facing rear seats. No RV in North America has ever had both such seats and a full bathroom. Perhaps you're thinking of various 20 ft. vans. But such longer platforms are not comparable.
@@phthisics The sonne didn't have a forward facing rear seat. But it was made and sold in North America. It was the short chassis. And not only did it have a bathroom, the toilet and shower wear separate. There was a large platform bed in back. Looks like sofa would have fit into that area very easily.
Would be great if someone brought back the WinnebagoRialta QD on a Dodge Or Transit chassis
@@Desperado3248 Absolutely.
Thanks for producing not one but two 18 footers. And thanks for offering them fully equipped and not stripped down. I have an 18 footer now and the 18M is at the top of my list for the next time.
Thanks for watching Doug. Reach out if you have any questions. - Steve
Im glas another axion owner told me about the new 2022 promaster ram 1500 model van, the dash interior and steering wheel looks exactly like the new mercedes benz, has all the safety tech and remote start, large screen, adaptive cruise, remote start by phone app and a host of other features standard:) That made me STOP until that 2022 comes out with LITHIUM batteries....!
With the loss of the Carado Axion from the US market a couple of years ago I didn't think any large coach manufacturer would produce another Class B on the short Ram platform. My preference is for the 18M but I would like to see an all electric model with double the solar, lithium batteries, no generator, no propane and an induction cooktop. Also lose that folding sink in the bath area, it's a lousy design and simply not necessary when the kitchen sink is two steps away.
We hae an Axion and it's true that I usually use the kitchen sink instead of the flip-down basin. The Axion's takes up little space though and it's light weight so no biggie either way.
I agree with all except the sink, I'd vote to leave that...you could just leave it closed it you didn't want to use it. I'd also like to see a poptop option for the 18M.
Rediculous to not include a bathroom.
Have you guys considered a floor plan similar to the old Hymer "Sonne". It was on the short chassis and the shower setup made it seem really open. That plan with rear forward facing sofa would fly off of the lots.
Thor knows. Thor does.
We Thor at every chance!
♥️ them!
Thank you Steve & team Thor for more awesome products!
-Kent P.
Colorado Springs, CO
Thanks for the feedback, we appreciate it. - Steve
Great review, beautiful Class B. I would like to ask, I didn’t think Dodge trucks were using that brand name any longer, it’s only RAM, correct?
You are correct. It was just a misspeak. Thanks for watching. - Steve
What I see of this one I really like, especially the cassette toilet. Just right for me and my dogs.
I know a lot of people feel that way. Personally I prefer a conventional toilet, since I have to find and use a dump station for the gray water anyway.
I like the finishes on this coach. If we didn’t already have a Travato it would be a consideration for sure
This is perfect. I liked the 20K Floorplan best, and this feels like a smaller version, with a cassette toilet which I like.
Great Vans! Well done. I cant wait to see them.
Thanks for watching. - Steve
@@ThorMotorCoach Hi Steve, how long before the 2022 NEW van model is used...........?
Is there a reason the 18M doesn’t have the pop top option? Will it in the future?
With the bed made up there would be no place to put the ladder for people to climb into the top. I talked to Mitch about that today as many people asked about it and he said he'll try to find a way to make it work in the future. Thanks - Steve
Sooooo glad to hear they are considering this! Then if they would offer an optional upgrade to Lithium I'd be set! Fingers crossed!
@@ThorMotorCoach Glad to hear that you guys are considering this!
Will the 18 m accommodate a child car seat?
Why no opening window in the slider door in the 18M?
These are really great! Would love to see what you could do with the 19’ 8” 2500 version. Maybe interior cargo storage for mountain bikes with lots of room for plastic storage bins. Lots of regular people running around with $5-10k bikes that aren’t comfortable with hanging them overnight on a outside rack.
There are small cargo trailers that a Promaster can pull easily that might give you the storage space you're looking for.
Excellent presentation and camera positioning.
I understand the different Floor Plans; 18M (my favorite) and 18T.
Is the ONLY difference between the Rise vs. Scope the Interior colors?
More differences?
I live about 20-minutes from Hershey, PA so hopefully Thor Motor Coach will be there September 11-15, 2024.
Thank you and well done!
In the scope it would be nice with a Murphy bed i think
I will pass that on to product development as they are always looking at creating new floor plans. - Thanks - Steve
We have been looking at the 2023 Thor Scope and the few things I can't understand (meaning why they aren't included) are:
1) Why there isn't a spare tire. That's a major deal breaker. It's like another $1000 to get a mount and tire added.
2) Why there isn't a toilet paper holder in the wet bath like there is in the Sequence.
3) Why a tablet/tv holder isn't standard.
4) Mosquito/bug nets aren't included in the rear/side doors and the front windows.
5) Also, I forgot when I checked out the Scope at the dealership was the space underneath the pull-out bed. I'm guessing there is no additional space for storage?
Nice video, good level of detail. Have to admit I was surprised by the, um, level of unbridled enthusiasm in the discussions of cassette toilets and portable-potties. "A lot of our customers love having cassette toilets," "very very popular...absolutely love them." I guess when faced with the woods as an alternative these are good items to have, and I recognize your product manager is there to sell his product. But honestly I just can't see lugging a full (and heavy) cassette toilet into a public restroom as something I'd "love" doing.
Kidding aside, I did have a couple questions regarding weights and capacities: 1) reference was made to the 5,000 pound hitch. With this engine and a 1500 chassis, can this rig tow a 5,000 pound trailer? If so, would that affect the cargo carrying capacity? 2) On the OCCC, I was pleasantly surprised to see the 1,500+ pound cargo capacity, again given that this is a 1500 chassis. The built-ins are nice especially for a rig this size, but I'd think the OCCC would be diminished given the weight of the built-ins on this chassis Great news if it can handle this weight, I just wanted to get confirmation.
Thanks again for the detailed video. The market niche for these new products should be served well. Dave
We have a Carado Axion with the same layout as the Rize TM--but our Axion has a real toilet. And I agree with you 100%--especially since you still have to find a dump station for your gray water. The fact that cassette toilet users on RUclips say to NEVER empty your cassette at a friend's house tells you all you need to know about the things...if you want to find out more about the Axion, which is out of production but available used, see the Axion Facebook page. Thee you can also ask owners about trailer hauling capabilities, since Axions are pretty mucyh identical to Rizes in this regard, and some owners there routinely haul pretty big cargo trailers around with them. Note that the Promasters all have the same engine and drivetrain, so the 1500 is actually your best bet for pulling a trailer.
@@phthisics Thanks for the info! Dave
I'd much rather have a cassette than deal with a black tank and hose system. We have a Hymer Aktiv and have never worried about where to empty the cassette - campground bathrooms, rest area bathrooms, or campground dump stations, and even our own bathroom at home are all good options. I would not shy away from doing it at a friend's house, either. It's not that heavy, and it has wheels and a telescoping handle.
Why is only the City Fill port lockable? The sewage and gravity ports should also be lockable!
@19:45 Yes, this unit screams 'stealth.' lol
Would you please add the option of the pop top to the 18M. The new 18 G has it but the bed is very small and I don’t like the 18A floor plan. And I want a toilet so 18T is out. Thank you so much.
No one should have to open the rear doors to remove the cassette from their toilet! If you wanted to build something more Stealthy you'd be using standard cargo vans with minimal windows!
Is Lithium an option in the future or as an after market upgrade?
Hi. Right now it is not. But as they develop, maybe down the road it will be. - Thanks Steve
The Carado Axion comes stock with a pair of lithiums. It has the same layout and van platform as the Rize TM but is only available used. Last production year was 2020. We have a 2017. Best way to find out more about them and see detailed comparisons with the Rize TM is the Carado Axion Facebook page.
18M questions: 1. Is there a door for the bathroom? 2. How many windows open? 3. What are the sizes of the gray and fresh tanks?
1. yes 2. one 3. 18 and 20 gal.
I need help with iPhone in my new Thor Rize. Phone is hooked up, I can receive calls hear other person but they can’t hear me. Please please help
Love these! Great work. Question-- I did see a few of these in person at a couple dealers and all three I saw had a sliding screen for the side door which I thought was much better than the magnetic flappy ones show here. Is it possible to still get this model with with sliding screen?
Hi. Those may have been early prototypes, I am not sure. The detachable screen door is standard equipment. - Thanks Steve
I think you must be thinking of the Sequence/Tellaro. They have the sliding screens.
My magnetic screen door does not line up properly and leaves a 4 inch gap in the middle. Almost like it wasn’t designed for the van
Another other option I am wishing for (and would be willing to pay for) is to have a lithium/solar electric system option powerful enough to delete the generator... This would have more solar and a 2nd alternator dedicated to charging house batteries while driving.
That's precisely the setup in the Carado Axion with the same length and layout as the Thor Rize TM. See the Axion Facebook page for more info. Axions are only available used--made from 2017 through 2020 BTW. The Rize appears to be based on the Axion with some improvements in other ways--such as what you're asking for--a big step back.
Can you please show how the beds pull out and what the window operation and shade operation/setup is all around?
Hi. We are working on a very in depth video that will show how to use all the features so that will most certainly be in there. Thanks - Steve
The bed pulls straight out--very straightforward. Our Axion bed requires removing all the cushions and flipping out a bed board and its floor support--the Rize's is way better. There's a notch in front to accommodate the raised platform behind the cab. I watched a salesman do it at the dealer in my area.
Beef up the solar and put a water heater please for rear outdoor shower!
Should show the whole interior of van before going into detail
I just purchased a new 2023 Rize 18A. Only the AC outlets on the left side of the vehicle (under rear seat and in overhead cabinet above the bed) work without the generator or shore power. The three outlets on the right side (below the cooktop, above the sink and on the outside) don’t work unless hooked up to shore power or running the generator. Is this normal?
Good morning! Our Owner Resources page will be a great help for you. You will be able to find the prints on your coach and see which outlets are on the inverter circuit. Only a select number of outlets will be powered from the inverter.
www.thormotorcoach.com/owners
If you need more assistance our Customer Service team will be equipped and happy to answer all your questions. They may be reached directly at 877-855-2867.
I want to get this van but I’m not gona travel I wana live out of it and still go to my day to day job
I've seen people live in cars and older vans, so this is a huge upgrade :) For those who can work remote, this is a dream mobile office!
these seem nice but missed their mark. scope: why would i need so much wardrobe room or a pop top if its a week ender or tail gating? i would rather have a wet bath, a pop top, less wardrobe room. Rize: the only bed in it, buts up against a disconnect breaker. they need to think about a couple of changes to really be a complete B camper. if your listening, a small wet bath is worth its weight in gold for an afternoon , the weekend, or more. its almost everything for a B camper to exist. SLEEP, COOK, WASH, AND COMFORT STOP, they are daily needs, if they dont have it, a pickup or minivan do as much or more and way less money. under counter A/C is very clever, wardrobe closet instead of wet bath, not so smart. put a wetbath in the scope and i think a lot more people will buy it, including me. im in the market, but it must have a wet bath. and yes that would be hot water standard, actually strange that it does not have it.
While they are produced by the same parent company, RAM and Dodge are now separate brands. Dodge still produces passenger vehicles with deeply rooted performance heritage. ... Vehicles like the RAM 1500 (formerly known as the Dodge RAM 1500), and the RAM ProMaster are built by RAM, as they fit the RAM niche.
So the difference between the Rize and the Scope is just the interior colors? Other than that they’re exactly the same? I was looking at the 18G model.
Hello. You are correct. Outside of names and interior, all the specs are the same. Thanks for the question. - Steve
Is there a bug screen for the back door?
The pop top would suit our needs because we need sleeping area for at least three (3) people. Since you can’t have an A/C on the roof, is the A/C unit inside the unit just as powerful as your roof top unit ? Does it run on propane or generator ? Is it a gas generator? Does it runoff the vans gas tank? What is your MPG? Can you get 17-20 miles per gallon ? Would I be able to run the generator in most government park lands? How long has
Thor bee in business ? Is theirs warranty on the coach? If so,how long? Does the pop top come with the automatic hot water? Does the pop top come with the wet bath?
Would be really.. nice.. if they could put in the bottom corner of the 18 T ...the little cassette toilet that you guys offer now.. squeeze in that corner some how.. next to the the beautiful ...cabinets.... maybe make alittle sitting area.. and it flips into a toilet.. You can hang like a angel halo ..from top roof come down and then it can tuck in that very same corner that you have the toilet... that way you can have privacy.. if you have company over visiting ..Thank you for listening ..Thor company !!!
That would really.. be nice 😁
P.s. maybe a shower added too..
👍🤗
Thank you for the though walk through. We are picking up our new 18M this Saturday! Does the 18M have a whole cabin water filter on board? If so, does it filter the fresh water holding tank as well as the city water? Thx!
Very nice. Would prefer No generator option like Volta power system. Not sure about cassette toilets. Could be used as an everyday vehicle if not camping. Is the Grey tank heated and the freshwater inside?
should make them so you can plug into the E car charging stations.
Tellaro 20A is awesome. 21 feet, sleeps 4 with the pop top. The big sister of the Rize and Scope. It's on the Promaster 3500.
I like this RV 18M very much, the only concern is the size of the bed for 2 people, any experience or feedback would be great to hear, thank you
I didn’t hear him say whether either van has navigation on the dash screen.
I love the layout and size of the M version with bathroom. When this comes out with lithium batteries instead of propane and generator I will be ready to buy!
See you put a 4 corner up pop top, where you can sit upright, on the Rize and you have the perfect camper van. ☺️☺️
My understanding is that an angled poptop like the one you see here on the Scope is a $7K option on the Rize.
@@phthisics ah nice! I would want a 4 corner top though. The one they have is pretty claustrophobic
Hi, if these RVs available for Canada. Just called the dealers, they said they couldn’t get it! :(
You no the price is too high if they want tell you the price
Like the 18m, should offer if with a slide out for the bed area, wouldmake it lot roomier with a true double or queen size bed
Too many black gizmos against white and stickers are eyesores.
Do the Scope and Rice have a hot water heater? Is the rear spray port cold only?
Can the camper van be hybrid?
A 12 volt fridge with no solar panels puts an incredible amount of hours on a generator that must run constantly unless the vehicle’s alternator can power the fridge when driving?
Steve, the Rize and Scope both come with 190 watts of solar. - Thanks, Steve
I noticed you never actually stood up inside either van. You look like a fairly tall guy...what is the interior height in these vans? Also, is the pop top manual or automatic
Hi Roberta. I can stand in there as long as I am not under the A.C. unit, I am just about 6'1". The exact height is 74". As for the pop top, it is a manual operation. You unlock it, unbuckle the tie downs and push up. Thanks for the questions - Steve
Our garage door is 84 inches high. How tall is the exterior of the Scope without the pop up option ? Thank you
Pretty sure you're outa luck. Our Axion on the same platform as the Rize and Scope is 9'5" due to the rooftop AC which is just as high if not higher than the poptop option (when you get the poptop they put the AC in a box under the lounge). I don't think you'll be able to get any RV with a high roof. Instead look at small shop conversions of the Promaster 136" wheelbase Low Roof model.
When will these be available at dealers?
Lance, there are a few dealers that have them now. Reach out to our Coach Link team and they can help you find one. - www.thormotorcoach.com/sales-advisor/ - Thanks for Steve
Steve can we still order the rize 18T/scope 18T without the poptop, a/c replaced with draws and roof a/c like you mentioned on the video? Thank you Appreciate it.
Hi Diane, the 18T has been discontinued and is being replaced with a new floor plan, the 18A hitting dealer lots now. - Thanks Steve
@@ThorMotorCoach Steve thank you for your quick response.
Does the generator work off the van gas? Thanks dave.
How tall is the host? His head looks very close to the OH cabinets. I am 6’-1”
Hi Brian I am 6'.05" and Mitch is 6'... hope that helps you out. Thanks for watching - Steve
I want that bath in a crew van for family travel, not to camp in, loose the galley, put in bench seats or capt chairs, small water and gray tank, no extra stuff that a camper needs.
A true family truckster 😏
There re small van conversion outfits all over the country that would be happy to build that for you.
Rear Baths are awkward to me. The rear doors are perfect for opening and leaving open. No one wants their toliet to be visible from the outside.
We've had a Carado Axion with the same layout for 3 years. If we need to use the toilet we just close the doors, but normally we don't use the toilet in the daytime--just use what's in the campground. And honestly in such a small van there's nowhere else to put it without losing the sense of spaciousness, which you really need in such a small van.
How did you remove the big blue iPad sticker from the wall without damaging it?
Hi. It just peels off with no residue. It's not an adhesive backing. Thanks - Steve
Huge miss not having a pop top with bathroom
WAY too long. 44 minutes for an RV review
I have an Apple phone. Would I still be able to use the app to control the electronics in the coach?
Hi Cathy. Yes, the BM Pro works with Apple. You just need to download the RV Master app from the App Store. You will need to create a Google Account on the main touchpad to update the firmware. I am working on a video now to take people through the process. It is super easy. Thanks for the question. - Steve
@@ThorMotorCoach thank you for your quick reply. I am researching camper vans for a future purchase.
If you have any questions about our line up, please reach out to our Coach Link team here at the factory. www.thormotorcoach.com/sales-advisor/ Thanks - Steve
What’s the height inside? Can you stand up?
I’ve decided after years of looking at Class B van conversions. I’m not going to buy one. There is no way that even the lowest priced dodge ram van conversion is worth over $80,000. I came close to purchasing a Carado Banff. This dealer dropped the price from $78,000-$52,000. By the time I saw the ad it was too late all of them had been purchased.
What a massive markup these vans have. The Tellaro Van which is a notch above the scope was selling at $71,000 at a Texas dealer. The price now has increase to $98,000. When I saw that I decided OK I’m out I lost interest good luck guys.
You could purchase a massive Luxury 32 foot trailer with two queen beds a washer and a dryer a dishwasher 2 to 3 pop outs starting at $52,000.
Don’t give me that ridiculous excuse that trailers are stick and staple put together. Van manufacturers are using about 1/10 the amount of material that it takes to build one of these massive trailers. And they want about $40,000 more for a finished van.. This industry has been so hyped I believe it’s ballooning and I will just wait.
@@kabysummit5801 What angers me is the over inflated prices. The price of the van is $71,000 6 months ago and now has increased to $98,000. I’m not falling for the hype.
Class B plus, C, and A hybrids, are excellent choices and can be had in smaller sizes if that's important, and lower price tags to boot. If a 17'9" length model is absolutely desired, then the outfitter prices have to be in line as well. Otherwise, DIY or hire an outfitter to do just enough to get going, so the total work can be done over time. But the saving$ will be substantial. Current prices are inflated in general, but discounts come and go so don't stop looking. Or, waiting a while may make money sense.
@@kabysummit5801 All the prices are hyped on all of them. There isn’t a van out there that it is selling for its MSRP
Why no awning on the Scope? Should at least be an option if no pop-top.
Electric awning is standard. Look at the video.
Still don't see the difference between the Scope and Rise other than the names. Both appear to have the exact same specs for the 18M floorplan. Am I missing something?
Apparently the only difference are the finishes in each, different colour schemes etc...very confusing. They should have made the Scope the 18T and the Rize the 18M, much less confusion.
The interior color choices are the only difference between the two. Thanks - Steve
How big are the water tanks.
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why 18m make it higher inside so the person can stand up?
I'm 6'1": and I can stand up in street shoes except right under the AC.
Um...?
I just got a Tellaro, did I jump too soon?
Hi. Depends on your needs. The Tellaro is larger with a few more bells and whistles. You are going to have fun - Steve
It's a ram not a dodge wtf
While they are produced by the same parent company, RAM and Dodge are now separate brands. Dodge still produces passenger vehicles with deeply rooted performance heritage. ... Vehicles like the RAM 1500 (formerly known as the Dodge RAM 1500), and the RAM ProMaster are built by RAM, as they fit the RAM niche.
The video is great. BUT, if you need to use the potty while on the road, you have to stop and access it by opening back doors ? Should have an opening inside also (or instead).
Jerry, on the 18M the wet bath is accessible from inside the van. www.thormotorcoach.com/scope/floor-plans/18m Thanks - Steve
@@ThorMotorCoach but what about cassette toilet ?
@@jerrymundy4557 You have to open the rear door to remove the cassette to dump it in a bathroom. But you can pee in it to your heart's content without opening the rear door.
@@phthisics Hearts content…..that made me laugh out loud. 😂😂
What is the mpg?
$wow, but nice
How much?
The MSRP will be posted on thormotorcoach.com soon. Thanks - Steve
A local dealer here in CA said $72K+T&L a month ago for the Rize TM.