Force Religions of the Star Wars Galaxy!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- The Acolyte hada new take on force religions with the coven, but in the past there have been a bunch of other force religions with different views
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This reminds me of the Voss species who were explored in the swtor mmo. Their society was ruled by mystics who were force-users however their force abilities extended mostly to healing rituals and force visions.
There was however a plot point in the game where the main character (if they were force sensitive) would seek out a sect of outsider voss mystics that practiced a unique ability known as "dream-walking". This ability let the user enter their mind and face their deepest thought and emotions for the sake of achieving inner balance and peace. (Fun fact: in the sith inquisitor campaign this ability helped the main character face and control the multiple powerful and restless sith spirits they had bound to themselves using the "force walk" ability.)
I like the diversity of perspectives even of different jedi in the high republic era, with focus given to how each jedi interpets the force. One hears it like a song with every being taking part in the music, while another sees it as ripples in an ocean, stars in the sky etc. The way the witches describe the force would pretty much fit as a jedi description of the force in the books.
I like the descriptions you gave. The force is like art or religion. It’s subjective to each person and that’s beautiful.
@@Doctasus11 The descriptions I took from are Avar Kriss, Elzar Mann and Stellan Gios, a great trio in the books. The audiobooks are super immersive when the characters use the force too, you hear Avar's music both beautiful and broken depending on her and the others' states of mind, the waves in Elzar's head rushing and pulling, and those perspectives intertwining when they connect.
@@garbotoxins840 I just started reading Light of the Jedi. I can’t wait to read more! 🥹
@@Doctasus11 I just finished the latest book, Temptation of the force and imo the quality really keeps up! There are so msny stories to enjoy, I think both adult and ya novels have amazing stories, even the middlegrade books are like good arcs of shows like the clone wars, and the marvel and adventures comics are incredible too. It's an incredibly rich era of amazingly told stories
I'm enjoying seeing more Force Religions in Star Wars brought into the mainstream. The explorations of what the Force is and can be cuts to the heart of the most important philosophical themes of Star Wars.
Agreed.
I enjoyed some the religions shown during Luke's travels like the Baran Do & Aing-Tii
Thanks so much for this survey of different Force perspectives! I have a feeling that this info will be useful again for Skeleton Crew. We don't know a whole lot about Skeleton Crew so far, but I think they've said that it will take place in a part of the galaxy never depicted before - where the Force is used in very different ways.
I vaguely remembering this stuff coming out before Ahsoka, so there was a lot of speculation that this would overlap with Ahsoka. But then, Ahsoka didn't go to an undepicted part of the galaxy, and what little we saw of that other galaxy consisted mostly of familiar Nightwitches and Thrawn's imperials. Of course there were big hints at something more, including the literally big monuments.
Oh well, I guess I look forward to Skeleton Crew DESTROYING STAR WARS LORE. No wait, that won't happen because Jude Law is ... bleh, whatever. Look, either way I'm just going to enjoy Skeleton Crew (or maybe not, we'll see). Right now, I simply don't have much to go on, to feel anything one way or another.
The comedy is on point in this video! My favorite minor Force philosophy is Ewok shamanism.
Scratch that, a lot of things involving the Ewoks and their home of Endor is very, very fascinating, no matter the initial cheesiness at first glance.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I love the "Endor is a Hell world" interpretation seen in Star Wars Tales, Battlefront 2, some reference material, and even parts of the Ewok films. It's a graveyard of crashed ships, populated by monsters and warring, sentient-eating locals
@@TrumanTheGrayMerchant And surprisingly enough, said world is also a magical and Multiversal defense world, as seen in the Cult and Supernatural Encounters novellas. World's quite tough if it can successfully beat back the Bedlam Spirits and their past cosmic invasion plan.
Kreia/Traya also had some unique perspectives on the Force and her philosophy is different to those who follow only the light or dark side. Would you consider her philosophy to be a Force tradition/religion to some degree?
Her philosophy feels very much informed by and centered around the existing Jedi and Sith religions. I would say its a seperate religion in the same way protestantism is seperate from catholicism.
The various divergent religions and viewpoints of the force different to the main stream Jedi order. Are very interesting to take a look as given Bar mentioned Jennasiri and Fallensi in Bantham era, books we don’t really get a good look at any until the fate of the Jedi series. In respect of how learning said techniques accounted for Jacen’ s fall.
Good video!
Sorcerers of Tund rise UP
Hey, I know you’ve done a few videos on Acolyte already but I wanted to ask, is it wrong to like the show? It’s not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but I don’t think it’s the worse thing ever. I understand some of the hate that it has been getting but I don’t want to feel like I’m in the wrong for liking something others don’t
It's not wrong to like whatever you like, don't worry about what others like or don't like. I enjoy the show as well.
Everyone has a different taste of entertainment you can like a show others don’t like and don’t like what others like and that’s ok.
Personally I don't like the way Disney is treating Star Wars, but, if you like it and if we can be respectful of both points of views, then it's more than fine. The problem is the way some fans, from both postures, attack each other. In the case of The Acolyte, I don't care if the change the name of the Force, or space "lesbians", it's just, for my taste, the writing is bad, I don't feel nothing for the characters. And I do believe that they can give us better, the best example of this is Andor.
The hate and fight online is purely political. Don't be fooled it's just a show at the end. I have my problems with it quality wise but it presented some interesting concepts so far so who knows what it has to offer. Don't let others make you hate something you enjoy. It's up to you to decide for yourself.
It is not wrong to like the show. You can like or hate what ever you want. You have that right. I personally do not like the show at all, but I would never hate or ridicule someone liking something I don't. Just my two cents.
Kind of surprised there was no mention of the Sorcerers of Rand
You would think that there will be probably hundreds of thousands of different perspectives on the Force considering that it actually exists, and this singular fact would allowed for the creation of many religions or cultures that would have prayed to the Force, but in a Galaxy that actually has an equivalent of a living god in the Force it appears to be very agnostic or atheistic when it comes to believing in it.
It still never made any sense to me how the Star Wars universe works in terms of how people see the force. Han not thinking the Jedi are real would be impossible to imagine if it was in the real world where the pope regularly was on battlefields shooting god beams at people
Yeah but the "globalisation" of the galaxy would lead to a culling of those groups (by assimmilation exemple "Plock Un species" or by killing/religious war ex: sith)
Before anybody comes to say that the sith deserved that let's consider: the sikh were a very peaceful people,then they were oppresed and adopted more warlike characteristics to survive. Violents begots violence, opression begots opression and what not.
Another is the iron knights. A crystalline race that uses Droid bodies to help inter act
What, no Sorcerers of Rhand or Prophets of the Dark Side?
Well the Prophets are basically none force using Sith aren’t they?
@@hydra8845 No, the Prophets use the Force, and they're not Sith.
13:29 is that where eaw got the idea for force stealth Luke?
Looks like it.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I've been wondering about that for like 15 years si ce I was a kid lol
My main complaint with acolyte is just the time period. The high republic is a period of like a thousand years. A hundred years before the prequals just doesnt make sense. 500? Hell yes. All of my complaints would drop if it was that long ago. Well except the lightsabers looking too chunky in modern starwars. That is still gonna "bug" me lol
Hey, separate question. Can I ask what tool you used to create the galaxy map you show on your videos?
So according to Zhan, the highly militant, procedure loving Chiss rely on teenage girls to route them through tricky hyperspace jumps. And they lose this ability in their late teens. *cough* totally not sus.*cough*
I love the channel but my friend you are speaking so quickly. Please slow down
4:55 Chiss Pine?
Love from a GenerationTech and Vaush fan!
Vaush? So your saying you don’t have a clue about anything 😂
@@hydra8845 and why is that?
No Path of the Open Hand?
They are a bit of an outlier given that their whole belief system is that no one including their own members should use the force.
Knights of Ren: Hello!? We exist!
No they dont
They always felt more like a small cult of themselves rather than a large religion to me
No you don't.
No you don't. He said star wars not Disney wars.
@@Kolonol1 literal neckbeard energy
And still even in Star Wars, there is only one Religion leads to life after death 😂
It's this sort of stuff that made me warm up to the depiction of midichlorians in the prequels - they're phrenology for jedi, a 'science' that's completely wrong but gets accepted because it serves the jedi's interests. The jedi of the prequels are a political institution, their insight into the nature of the force isn't unique, profound or even necessarily correct. Furthering this headcanon, I'd like to believe that Qui-Gon didn't believe that midichlorians held any particular significance and merely used the test (possibly even manipulating it, we've seen that he's not above cheating to get Anakin off Tatooine) as a convenient way to save a kid from an awful situation.
No
The idea of Qui-Gon possibly manipulating Anakin's test would be interesting, although I suspect either the Jedi Council or Anakin himself would have tested it later on. Qui-Gon doesn't seem overtly concerned about the situation on Tatooine, at least not enough to pretend he's the chosen one.
I believe that Qui-Gon held the midichlorians in at least some regard, to perhaps confirm his suspicions, but he had many other reasons alongside them.
Gotta thank the Darth Plagueis novel for redeeming them, as an aside.
@@tTaseric See, I don't necessarily think Anakin would have got tested again, by the time he's old enough to consider it he's got a lot of other issues that aren't "should I even be in the Jedi order" - or maybe he does test himself, see that it's much lower and keep it secret/rationalise it. As for it being forced on him, challenging someone's midichlorian count is a direct challenge to their position, I think the Jedi view themselves as being too civil for that sort of infighting.
As for Qui-Gon not seeming concerned about the situation on Tatooine, there are a couple of reasons that could explain that.
Firstly, what could he even do about it? Short of the Republic annexing Tatooine (which, considering the role the Outer Rim plays in the current political situation, would be ill-advised) it's unsalvageable - best he can do is pick up the waifs and strays he runs into (as he already did with Jar-Jar, no trying to singlehandedly stop the invasion or end the segregation on Naboo, just save the person in front of him and get out).
Secondly, he's not on amazing terms with the council and Obi-Wan seems to lean more on the council's side than his. He has to bluff Obi-Wan about this being a prophecy-thing and not a humanitarian effort.
This is also why I choose to disregard the Darth Plagueis novel making Anakin a result of Sith life-magic. I think the prequels work better if he isn't the chosen one, Shmi is lying about him being a virgin birth and Qui-Gon pretends to believe her because it's another excuse he can give the council. I prefer a materialist story about the weaponization of faith and the manufacturing of a hero over a mystical story about the fulfilment of prophecy.
I fully admit that this is an aggressive reading of the movies, I make no claims to it being canon, but I think there's enough there to support it as one of many valid interpretations.
@@aurtosebaelheim5942 That said, the Clone Wars Lost Missions episodes did posit the Midichlorians were pretty important; and based on Lucas' own notes.
They sort of join the Living Force to the Cosmic Force, via life itself, seemingly. And originate on a fountain world.
Wait - why is Dark Jedi a bad phrase now? It was always a pretty straightforward thing to me. Sith were explicitly their own order with their own ideology. Dark Jedi were either just Jedi who had given in to the Dark Side or rogue Force users unassociated with an established order or group.
One thing I don't like - and yes, I know they do it in universe too - are calling these things "religions".
Religion in the real world is nothing but books, traditions and stories. There is, nothing, testable, provable, or measurable about them. They rely entirely on faith - the idea that you CAN'T prove anything but you believe it anyway.
The Force is not like that in Star Wars. The Force was a real thing in this setting. Measurable. Testable. Provable. There were even machines that could use it as power. Had a group wanted to, in either Legends or Canon, they could have approached the Force entirely from a scientific perspective. With no connection to the Jedi or Sith or any ideological orders.
Finally, I just noticed that Google Chrome does not consider "Jedi" a misspelled word but it does still consider "Sith" one.
You should see the increasing apathy of fictional swears like "kriff" and "stang". Getting tired of F-words, believe me.
I see.
Same with "rogue - rouge".
I think the problem with the term is that the Jedi are, also, explicitly their own order with their own ideology. Dark Jedi are not part of the Jedi order, nor do they follow the order's ideals.
Another problem is that it's used as a catch-all term where it really wouldn't make sense. It's completely ridiculous to call someone like Maul a Dark Jedi, yet that's what he is. It's a silly term. If it exclusively meant Jedi who had fell to the dark side, then sure, but it doesn't.
Also, the force isn't really the religion in itself. People generally understand the force is a thing that exists. The religions are various perspectives on the force and its nature. There's no concrete way to tell if the Sith ideology or the Jedi ideology or any of the other ideologies are correct or not. That's what makes them religions in my opinion.
Even if the Force's existence is objective, the various interpretations are not. They are religions because they have shared beliefs, traditions, rituals, scripture, etc.
Where are the Imperial Knights??? We need more Legacy content…
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Bro fell on
I could be wrong but wasn't he under 10k subs at the start of the year?
feels like it@@weppon5266
Just what is it with these "oh, noes, his views and likes have declined", by the Force?!
One of my least favorite topics in anything Star Wars, alongside the criminally seedy underground and the bounty hunters (let's just say I'm more into the big stakes mystical stuff from the Cult and Supernatural Encounters novellas and the usual black ops awesomeness in stuff like the Jedi Knight and Republic Commando games). However, there are times when even SW religions have their uses, at least.
Meantime, still not fond of the Nightsisters, even the Legends one. They're just not the kind of Force witches that I truly expect to endear and reconcile, though to be frank, that's just more on personal bias. They're no paragonic Sakura Kinomotos, the charitable Ojamajos, the combative Puella Magi, the studious Wizarding World folks, and the holied mages from Tolkien's Legendarium, after all.
11:09: So, they're like naked molerats?
Wish the Aing-Tii teleportation techniques became more widespread post-Yuuzhan Vong War. Then again, possible Multiversal storytlines featuring the New Jedi Order of the future collaborating with ultra-cosmic defense forces may remedy that.
I think the Potentium is a success in a non-Denning-verse Legends-verse. Pity that certain events made it obscure again in the Legacy comics era.
Really hope flow walking is retconned quite effectively for Multiversal interations.
Am neutral on the Fallanassian Force stealth. There's already tech made for such, so why bother in most scenarios?