Why the Acolyte is a Complete Betrayal of Darth Plagueis AND the Force
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The Darth Plagueis novel is a masterpiece…
I must buy it
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Yes
I totally agree with you, however I feel like this video could have waited. We're only 3 episodes in. They can tie this all together. I'm not too worried yet
@@Joshmprime If you're not worried, you need to leave.
You know it is bad when The Stupendous Wave is calling Disney out. 😬
@NovaSage watch they say he's being a snowflake by just giving his honest opinion which is a fact because everyone has been saying it
Who's next greyjedi91, evannovia, Antoine?
@@tydasavage6890no he's a level headed fan who doesn't want to constantly negative or feed drama.
This is constructive criticism pointing the flawed writing of the acolyte.
Ya, my favorite part of his channel is his ability to explain some of how their odd choice are plausible and explainable often even in legends.
@trollzynisaacjohan1793 He's the Nerd of the rings of star wars.
-“Have you ever heard the tale of the Witches of Brendak?”
-“No.”
-“Congratulations.”
I love that legends say they didn’t actively make the chosen one. The chosen one was made by the force as a counter balance to deal with imbalances caused by the sith.
That's why it was called the prophecy of light and dark
I think this is also why the witches ended up with Twins. One light, and one dark.
@troubleondemand7703 the force leaving it up to destiny.. it's that simple
....and Jedi.
The imbalance was a swinging pendulum of fate.
@@ericlondon2663nah, the Jedi use the force in a way that doesn’t put it out of balance, by following the will of the force. The Sith impose their own will on the force, manipulating and suppressing the force to their will, using it to gain power and follow their own selfish path.
This is the dark side, it’s a way of using the force, not a part of the force itself - the dark-side puts the force out of balance, and the force views it like a cancer that has to be removed.
Jedi give in to the force, and try and follow the will of it. This doesn’t put the force out of balance at all. You could have a million Jedi and the force would remain in balance .
Just one dark side user and the force is out of balance again. Got nothing to do with Jedi, nor numbers.
Made out of a castle made of flammable stone is hilarious
😭😭😭😭🤓🤓🤓🤓
Uhh….Windsor Castle is made of stone and was lit on fire in 1992 so it's not exactly fictional.
"inflammable means flammable? What a planet"
Lmao
A couple of fire extinguishers would have been a good idea, especially when they build castles from flammable stone.
@@Lord_Galvatron there is no history of it catching fire not to mention that place is probably wood and stone by the looks of it but you do have a point but normally stone doesn't burn.
"A massive fortress of flammable stone"😂
All you need to know about the writers mental capacity
I’m glad I’m not the only one. I was really trying not to be a hater but couldn’t help it while watching the stone walls of that room burn… well I guess I’ll just go play KOTOR again.
The stone isn’t flammable but there are plenty of items in the fortress that are. If you look very closely in the scenes there seems to be plenty of wood on the floors and the walls could have material on it for decoration that is flammable. These are typical design elements of stone castles. Also look at the scene where Osha and Sol flee through a courtyard, the outer walls weren’t burning. Fire was only scattered throughout the courtyard. In the room where all the witches are dead, there is no fire seen in that room, just a glow from something else burning. What we don’t know. When they pull away from the fortress to see the full fire, the stone facades are not burning. Fire is only seen in specific places … not covering all the outer walls and all the stone.
Castles burn, stone castles burn, stone fortresses burn, but it’s not the actual stone that burns, it’s everything else inside that burns that eventually destroys the castle/fortress and anyone in there. The fire and the heat destabilizes the stone and destroys its supports. Think about extinguishing systems. There would be little to none there to slow the spread of the fire because there is probably no large enough water source to specifically counteract a fire. Even today with all our advances, a fire in a castle can be devastating. In medieval times fires could definitely destroy a castle and all those in it.
The biggest issue I have is the start of the fire in Osha’s room and how it spread across the floor. I would assume the door is an electrical fire but there would need to be something on the floors that would react with the fire for it to encroach on her in the way it did. Maybe an epoxy of some sort, or maybe the floors in that room were only meant to look like stone and were something else that would give comfort to the girls walking over them. Point is you don’t know what was actually burning because you don’t actually know the make up of the items that did burn.
On top of all this, we still don’t know what caused the fire to spread so fast. What actually killed the witches. Was there force lightning involved or some supernatural force fire? We don’t know yet.
Thanks to the power of streaming you can actually go back and rewatch the scenes and if you are able to look past your biases you should be able to see what I’m saying.
Makes sense. If you believe that you can have a camp fire in space, then you also believe stone is flammable 😂
@@tatsusama3192 we’ve been believing that that space ships and lasers make actual sound in outer space since the original Star Wars, so why are we quibbling over a fire, on a spaceship, in upper orbit over a planet?
Brought to you by the same people who think Jedi can survive a lightsaber stab right through the spine/chest but somehow die to a butter knife to theboob
Disney should never have obtained Star Wars
Blame George Lucas for that
@@2apocalypsex L decision from George tbh
@@CepheusFromTheMoon What do you mean L decision from George?
we would never have any movie or series after return of the jedi lol
@@2apocalypsexIt’s not that simple. George only sold because of the hate the prequels got at the time.
You assume anyone at Disney care about source material or read the Plagueis novel.
Well it's obvious
I doubt anyone at Disney or lucasfilm even know who Darth Plagueis is.
no ones assuming its clearly apparent
@@darthtrayus6066 I thought not….
It’s not a story the Jedi would tell them. It’s a Sith legend.
They put more thought into JoJo Siwo than that.
Holy crap I didn't know that plague's experiments were so developed and had so much potential if he wouldn't have died and would have gained immortality,he would have eternity to do horrible experiments and plunge galaxy into darkness
Plagueus was extremely intelligent and he wanted to create a clone to jump into. Palatine has the same desire.
@@persephone342not true
Well you wouldn‘t share power sheev there you have it for your lack of patience
@persephone342
Nnnnnnnnope he was manipulating his own mediclorians to rejuvenate himself in some sort and essentially to keep his body alive no need for a clone to jump into but he didn‘t think about his apprentice murdering him in cold blood because plagueis reached the same level of arrogance and tunnel focus on his great passion as his master did when he killed him in that cave
Charlie Hopkinson’s Qui Gon keeps saying everyone in this series is Plagueis lol
he was right the whole time
Maybe the true Plagueis was the friends we made along the way.
@@eudacye709 lol 100%
His videos are a thousand times more enjoyable than the actual shows lol
100% true 😊😊
_"All they had to do was just pluck some threads, I mean, Stupid Dooku, Stupid Palpatine...PLAGUEIS, IDIOTS!!!"_ -Star Wars Theory after getting his heart broken by Disney Star Wars for the 69th time!
Ohhh
He's a professional victim. Toos is done for. Unsubbed. Lying for years about Vader 2 bc Vader 1 paid him enough to not feel that hunger anymore. And not care about you.
He jumped in with the fucked up half of Collider when they fired all of their best staff. That should've told you everything you ever needed to know.
Dude is making a pretty darn good living by "having his heart broken" by Disney.
His views never really took off until he started hating full time. Weird coincidence I guess...
@@mickeyconnor830 why would you unsub the dude has a point I subbed right away my man
@@mickeyconnor830cry more loser
Wave thank you for this because I know you tried your best to keep your focus on Legends continuity so I'm glad this video helps people who don't understand and why this show has no direction. Even before I read Plagueis's book you could tell it took him many years to study the force and make it work for him but as we all know the force is about Balance which is why it backfired for him.
The disturbance in the Force by creating the twins must have alerted the Jedi.
I find it hilarious that random people in the Star Wars fandom can make better explanations for why stuff happens in a Star Wars show than the writers of the show itself who claim to "love Star Wars".
The disturbance in my pants from the creation of this show should've alerted me that star wars is finally dead 😢
That's the only part of this ENTIRE PLOT that remotely makes sense.. to some degree
In the castle made of flammable Stone...
If you build your palace of phosphorus....
How on earth no one pointed out this obviously avoidable poor choice. It’s like the special effects people didn’t even talk to the script writers until halfway through production. I know we are watching space wizards play with lasers but there is a difference between fantasy and stupidity. It took me completely out of a scene that was suppose to be tragic.
@@ctag45If you believe a camp fire can exist in space (episode 1), you don't think twice about a stone castle being flammable 😂
I will say that since this all happened off screen and, as of now, all the information is coming from one source, it is possible that Disney is setting up a misdirect. With the Witchs having either exaggerated or completely falsifing the actual circumstances behind this ritual. That would be the smart rought for Disney, but we'll have to wait and see if that is what they planned.
Hope is the carrot dangled in front of the carthorse to keep it plodding forward - raistlin majere
@@mikeabbaticchio5754 And yet it's all we old school Star Wars fans can have these days, lol
@DMBLaan I've decided that the stuff I hate that just has star wars in the name but isn't star wars didn't happen and recanonized the EU. My life so I determine my reality. I'm not gonna let some prejudiced, sexist cretin tell me what to believe in my life and my franchise. It's mine and a billion others NEVER hers and others like her.
If it’s a misdirect it’s entirely unintentional
Weeeell it did go nowhere alright
1:22 the force definitely did not forgive. it set fire to their stone castle
Lol flammable stone. I love you man.
All of this work, time, and effort all for...the power of maaaaanyyyy! 🎶
“The acolyte is making a huge mistake. One which has repercussions that aren’t currently being talked about.
Greetings acolytes.” 😂
LOL
LMAOO
A Darth Plagueis show would have been great compared to what we currently have.
Oh yeah!!!
If its great it aint Disney
@@chiquita683 well first off we would need someone other then KK at the helm and then someone who both loves and understands the lore of starwars but i agree its a long shot they ever make it
Was he a chick, gay and lame?
No
Never going to happen
If only. One day when black Rock and vanguard funding dries up and Disney is forced to sell maybe we'll get that show but sadly we will all be long gone by then.
Not necessarily a betrayal. The Witch Cult from Acolyte is who knows how many centuries old. They have a different interpretation of the Force and their abilities come from an entirely different understanding of it. The same way Nightsister magic is different than Jedi powers. In Legends Jacen Solo traveled the galaxy and visited many different Force using cultures that had abilities/perspectives outside the Jedi/Sith. Sometimes someone else with a completely different understanding of a topic can come with ideas and solutions that a traditional approach would NEVER have dreamed of.
Good point!
Do you really believe the writers of this show have thought that in depth about it? Do you really think they are going to give us a robust and fleshed out narrative around how the witches were able to create life with the force? Highly doubtful considering the quality of the dialogue and storytelling so far
@@lux-veritatis You can say that about anything. Why didn't Obi-Wan use the super FORCE speed they used in the opening scene to catch up to Qui-Gon & Maul? Never got a fleshed out explanation for that either.
This. I'd love to actually see what story the writers would have told and if/how it ties into either legends or canon before judging whether it makes sense or not and season 1 was clearly not written to answer all of these concerns. I think they wrote it to take at least 2 seasons to reveal why almost anything in the show is the way that it is.
As for Plagueis, my working assumption right now is that he may have been inspired in some way by what the witches did but maybe not. He could have been inspired by observing to witches in the way that Iroh, a Firebender in Avatar, was inspired to develop a technique for redirecting lightning from observing Waterbenders. A shift in perspective can be a clue to innovation, but ignoring that I don't think what the witches in Acolyte did is exactly like Anakin anyway.
The "reveal" in the finale that Sol tried to communicate was that the "twins" aren't "twins" but a single person somehow split into two parts and I suspect those two parts are naturally aligned to the light and dark sides of the force in a kind of Yin-Yang relationship and the ascension ritual the Jedi interrupted prevented this. That could be a clue to address some of the concerns. Plagueis manipulated the force in an unnatural way to tilt it to the dark, to bend it unnaturally to one side and in response the Force itself created a chosen one to balance itself but the witches in the Acolyte didn't create just a dark person, they created a dark person and a light person in balance. I *assume* the ultimate resolution of the series would have been that Osha and Mae have to re-integrate or... something bad happens? Additionally I think what Sol was getting at was that both the vegetation on the planet and the feat of the witches weren't "easy" canon-breaking accomplishments but specifically facilitated by the presence of a "vergence" in the force. I don't think they could have done it on their own if they weren't on the planet and apparently vergences are mythically uncommon. Future episodes of the show could reveal any reason why that vergence was either unknown or inaccessible to Plagueis, assuming, as we are, that he did have no role in the creation or inspiration of the twins--we don't know because the show didn't get a chance to reveal his involvement.
Interestingly, I never looked up the definition of "vergence". Per Wikipedia: "A vergence is the simultaneous movement of both eyes in opposite directions to obtain or maintain single binocular vision"
I think that's very in line with the story of the twins and the idea of balance in the force but I'm sad that I'll never get to judge the completed story for its merits because the story tellers weren't allowed to tell it to completion because viewers couldn't suspend their disbelief long enough to hear it all.
The Acolyte is the child of people that not only hate Star Wars and its fan but also desired input of their own politics.
Easy lol idk that they hate Star Wars but they certainly don’t have the best bedside manner portraying their views
Not a fan of ep either but cmon, George did the same thing just understood the execution of it. Something I think Dave picked up on than hasn’t been picked up on this far by other Star Wars writers be-it because of politics or money
George tried to warn us!
Agreed, this show makes no sense.
This is what happens when you let interventionalists think they are artists
This is exactly why they are lore breaking in the acolyte. They don’t understand the force so they make up their own thing. It dampens the impact of Anakin and Plagious
Well... Several things:
- Which parts of Plaegis story is Canon?
- how do you know in canon (because the acolyte now is) it does not tie to the retconned story of Plaegis? Retcon is not new in star wars.
- how do you know the creation of Osha and Mae was easy? They never said it was. They only inferred they did create the girls through magic.
- how do you draw conclusions without the whole show?
You can tag your take as star wars theory, but it's only that up to the point we get the whole story.
I love your content and I don't get why you take the part of the haters here. It's a a star wars show. From a cibematographic perspective, it's average, but it does not deserve the shit storm it got, especially because it's being judged without the whole thing.
It get it for the technical parts. We got enough to judge it. I don't get it for the story part though. Storytelling is average, but the whole concept can't be judged at this point, and certainly not to the extent it had been for several weeks.
Well first of all-They do imply it was relatively easy simply by showing that they were able to do it so young (especially compared to someone like Plagueis)
but more importantly, despite the Plagueis novel NOT being canon, it doesn’t change much, because we still have children being indirectly conceived by the force. Fairly SIMPLY. The Jedi also come to KNOW OF THEM and their origins, so why do they never…think anything of it?? This is 100 years before Anakin and they just…say nothing about it
Also, people gotta stop with the SW Theory hate. Fr. It’s just a nuisance
@@harrambou9468 Wouldn't the star wars equivalent of IVF allow the creation of the twins? Why is everyone assuming they created the twins out of nothing but the force?
@@harrambou9468 they never said they were only conceived with the force. We don't know if they had help or what happened. Everybody seem to assume they just shif on the lore but factually, we know nothing of the plot. Those conversations should have happened after the release of the whole show. If it was a movie, that would have been the case for instance. So that the whole thing could be discussed and judged. But now, it's a complete nightmare. The review bombing of the Acolyte probably puts into jeopardy the next SW shows.
I get it's not a absolute amazing show. People might not like it and that's fair. But this is harassment from a really loud minority. I would say to them, if you dot like it, don't watch it. But they do watch it and shi* on it. It's so sad.
By the way, the boys s4 is currently being review bombing too. The series might begin to be stale, but still it does not deserve the shi*storm it's getting. It's not only SW.
Personally, I don't feel the children were born from The Force but was more a an action of Reciprocal IVF, or Star War's version of it. An action that may in fact itself be illegal within the High Republic. The fact that Osha and Mae don't seem to have any of Koril's DNA, seems to reflect and speak to that action having taken place.
Neither Osha and Mae seem to be very affluent with The Force as well, speaking to a potentially average midichlorian count at best, my guess is maybe 5000 to 6500 on the count. So they are no Anakin.
The coven leader seems to be a fraud, and it appears that they all died for a lie.
Yeah I see no reason at all it wasn't just boring old earth-style IVF. Occam's razor.
Imagine they made a crossover between legends & Disney stuff and Plagueis saw this, and just got like "What the hell? It took me decades just to fail, then some random lesser force users pull it, and worse, the force doesn't do anything about it? I call favoritism!"
Plagueis from Legends would just kill them
@@elmermedina1713 After saying this, trust.
And what if Plagueis teached the witch and it was part of his experiment ? That didn't cross your mind, you're an easy and naive spectator. The revelation will be a true revelation for you, so naive.
@@anonymus4683 This could be true if we didn't already have a sith who's not Plagueis.
@@themanbehindtheslaughter7319
We do not know who the master is. What are you talking about
0:39 I am in the camp of wanting something like a child vs the force reverberating and thrusting back after all the meddling and trying to have it bent to the Sith’s will. I think that the idea of being able to make life also ties the witches together. The force took their intent into account instead of just saying it can’t be done
The Force hated these witches so much their stone castle burned like kindling.
Darth Plagueis being the power behind the witches would be a twist, but I doubt these writers would do this
Leslye (Air)Headland doesn't know what she's doing at all.
It's possible they used the force to directly create the twins but it's also possible they may have used some kind of banned cloning tech. The mothers never directly say they were created using the force only that they didn't want the Jedi to find out how they were created. Maybe it was something more akin to modern cloning tech which involves injecting genetic material from a donor into an emptied out host egg cell. Maybe they did something closer to that then somehow used the force to ensure the girls had Force sensitivity. This was not a good episode but it seems like everyone is jumping to conclusions on a series that has said from the beginning that it is trying to mislead the audience. How about we give it time and learn a little patience like good Padawans? The series may very well end up being trash. I think one of the biggest problems with it is they have overestimated the audience. They have assumed the audience would be patient and wait for the narrative to unfold, but they were wrong. They forgot that most people want all of the answers now. Most people want easy watching like most of Mando, which has been lots of fun. This show is not that. This show will require patience and a willingness to try and connect the threads while also realizing they are trying to mislead which means we will need to really pay attention. Does that mean the end product will be good? No, it might be nothing more than a tedious waste of time and genuinely suck, but we won't know until the end.
the problem is that the writing, even for SW standarts are so bad that i dont trust them with a good and logical story, from what i seen so far.
@@jacobscholtissek2410 yeah. I'm trying to be positive about it but....yeah. we'll see
@@f4rnsworth138 im the opposite now, if it turns out to be good im on board, but if not im not surprised.
This is why lucus sold star Wars.He got tired of people telling him how to tell his own story.I liked the acolyte.They should have gone a little deeper into the nature of the dark side.But its ok.
I am so obsessed with plagueis lore. The mad scientist needs more love.
Lol I love stupendous wave, he's the only one that would spend the time to make an amazing lore video, knowing it'll get thrown out, and disreguarded
Looks like the stupendous wave has finally found his spine.
This is what happens when you hire people who've never seen Star Wars, to make a Star Wars show.
Also, have BLM and Radical left-leaning Political views.
@@Caesar_1415stop. You guys ruin star wars with your fucking gate keeping and "real star wars" bs.
Andor is one of the best Star Wars shows out there and it was doe by someone who did not like Star Wars.
@@stuartbagley2586
Andor was sharply criticized at the time for being more a generic sci-fi show than Star Wars. However, it appears to have been a competently told story, and that has earned it increasing favor in the Star Wars community when compared to the abysmal programming such as Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ahsoka, and Acolyte. Andor did not build anything, but it destroyed nothing either, and anymore that is good enough.
@@stuartbagley2586 In a parallel universe where Disney would have embraced Legends star wars and give us shows from the old republic, the mandalorian wars and all that juicy stuff, andor would be shit on as the worst star wars show ever made. That indicates how far we have fallen 😆
You put more effort into this, than any of the writers did into the script of the Acolyte
Thanks for this enlightening technical account.
You could argue that these witches may have stumbled upon some ancient knowledge, or the knowledge had been passed down through generations, and so didnt require experimentation to get results. With the witches dead then the knowledge is lost and Plageus would have to 'relearn making the wheel' in a sense. Hopefully the Acolyte explores the consequences of their actions. Perhaps them being twins is what retains balance (one dark one light) and therefore the force is more receptive to their creation
This video is awesome thanks for diving into Plagues lore.
Leslie doesn’t even know that plaguesis exists…
Great video, this is why I love real knowledgeable fans and not just culture warriors looking for their next griff.
So creating life through the Force alone is actually an affront to the Force, that's interesting. Also The Acolyte is horrific I just consider it non canon.
Well we all know what's going to happen Dave filoni once again we'll have to come in and save the Day
I truly believe that Dave filoni usually has to
All I could think about was aenema and pneuma.. TOOL.
Someone needs to stop Disney from destroying Star Wars before it’s too late man, Star Wars was a massive part of my childhood and its horrible to see all that work go to waste
The Space Witchbians used the Thread to create life through magic. Completely different than what Darth Plagueis did. Because "The Power of Many".
Correct. It is different. Plagueis failed because he was motivated by greed and power-lust. The witches succeeded because they acted out of love.
The forces doesnt care about greed or love by themselves thats jusylt a cope out for new gen the power of love, and, fruendship triumphs all its terrible writing only works for 6 -10 year old and even then they get tired I'd the same rehashed bull that's Hella expected @Wright805
@@Mellyo420 If you think that love and friendship are not admirable things then I pity you.
It’s actually not a betrayal of anything. Darth Plagueis could create life at will and none of his creations were ever the Chosen One. Prophecies don’t work like that. You can’t change fate when it’s already set in stone. Take a look at the Mortis Arc. Anakin saw his future and tried to change it and even though The Father erased his memory and said nothing was set in stone, that was clearly not true because it was always destined to happen no matter what.
PLAGUEIS?
👃?
I NOSE EVERYTHING.
lol...of course "they" would destroy Disney's legacy and reputation, as their own personal revenge against Walt Disney...That doesn't change the fact tha they could only achieve it thanks to the normies, brainwashed, cucks and of course traitors, living in our societies...
keyed name and pfp
😂😂😂
I cant help but think they purposely changed the lore to get the massive reaction out of star wars fans. The ego does not care where the attention comes from, as long as it comes
Written and presented with more understanding and care than anything Disney could write. Makes The Acolyte look like Sesame Street. 😂
George Lucas: Darth Plagueis was the dark lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise she could even influence the meta chlorians to create life.
Disney: Darth Plagueis there is no Darth Plagueis Darth Plagueis sucks in fact he never existed at all
Star Wars fans: what the hell is wrong with you Disney why do you have to mess up Star Wars like this this isn't what we wanted this isn't what we wished this isn't what we dreamed why Disney why!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn, Star Wars fans sure do sound like whiny little snowflakes
Disney knows best 😭😭😭👽👽
I'm confused. Wasn't plagueis a man?
Oh I see. You made a slight mistake or perhaps autocorrect works for Disney now lol
@@2apocalypsexnear 50 years of canon gets retconned and people don't like it and we're the special snowflakes. How about the people who have so much privilege they not only destroy the past but killed it because they had to for the message.
He*
Something that has not been considered is that the Force itself is considered a living entity. Perhaps the witches seemingly effortless success was more about purpose than knowledge. The motivation of the Sith was lust for power. The witches motivation is derived from love, hope and necessity. The Sith attempt to evoke ( compel) the Force , the witches invoke (invite) the force. The Force fled the assertion of the Sith and complied with invitation of the witches.
Except if this was the case, we would have seen the Jedi do it eons ago. Most of everything theyre capable a peaceful sect that cooperates with the force and allow it to speak to them. First we had "force healing", and now we have "willed virgin conception". Disney Star Wars is actively cannibalizing past lore in attempt to make their own bastard material
Well said.
It's infuriating how so many people are incapable of applying basic common sense to this show.
@@Wright805well said how you just interpret that the force automatically chooses love bcus sidious was greedy when has the force chose love and not balance another new gen cope forcing a established series to follow their fan fiction power of love
@@Mellyo420 If you had paid attention you'd know that we're talking about using the Force to birth new life specifically, not using it in general.
Just to tell you how the writting in Darth Plagueis is good. Well, Plagueis when wounded got back on a ship illegally. When confronted by the crew, he offered a choice which is a compensation for their troubles and more in exchange of staying anonymous and a way to get back home. Then the crew discided unknowingly of his true nature to take him as a prisoner then give him to the authorities. When the Captain confronted him again with a primed blaster in her holster Plaguies said ''Don't''. Again giving a choice to make a deal like a true Muun would do. But she ultimately sealed the fate of the entire crew by drawing her blaster against the wounded Sith Lord. Plaguies butchered them all and experiment on them as well. But the choice was an illusion because the Sith mastermind already carefully selected the inexperienced crew from the start and he knew the results were likely to end like this. This show his deception, cunning, skills, calculating origins as a Munn and how terrifying a wounded Sith Lord is in the eyes of the common folks. Truly a masterpiece.
"... in a castle made of flammable stone."
That cracked me up!
I will add, maybe I am just dumb, but I did not actually interpret that line as they used the Force to make the twins. I assumed it was more like, they found a random guy, used him, and cast him away. When they said the twins didn't have a father, I assumed they meant that in a "he is not a part if their lives" way. So if they DID use the Force to make the twins, I agree with everything this video says.
"in a castle made of flamable stone" lmao
Its not, Sol is the Father of the Twins... people are just not paying attention to the mountain of Foreshadowing in the episode.
if true, that's one hell of a plot twist
these hack writers aren't clever enough to come up with a halfway decent plot twist like that. still wouldn't make this disgrace much better though.
@@KoolAidBuzz They make it pretty clear he's the father.
How often you heard of 4 Jedi showing up to collect 2 kids who are far to old to start the jedi training.
Why would Sol spying on them.
In previous episodes they bring up he has strong attachments to Osha
He's almost in Tears when he's telling her they can't go back for her sister and everyone is gone. That seem very Jedi like to you?
That sounds like someone with attachment, Now why would some random Jedi have attachment to some little girl he just met.
The show-writer knew she would be trolling the dumber people on the internet when they just 100% assumed that the twins were created out of the Force.
Been a fan of the channel and of Star Wars for a long time.
I truly enjoy good story telling.
I’ve read most of the legends books/comics and enjoyed every Star Wars film/novelization.
I’m mostly upset because it’s just not a good time for Hollywood right now.
NOTHING Disney pumps out compares to what we could have had from George Lucas.
These witches couldn’t “accidentally Anakin”
These witches do not understand the force
Amazing video Stupendous Wave!
I do find it heartwarming almost everyone uniting over hating this fan fiction (and that an insult to some fan fictions) tier writing.
Their version basically seems like cloning as the twins look nothing like the woman who carried them, whereas Anakin has no resemblance to Sheev or Hego.
I completely agree. What Plagueis and Sidious did is pervesrsion of the Force. Mockery of life and death. It's evil. And what witches did is terrible did. They couldn't do this. Ever. I would love to see this done by Plagueis if he was shown onscreen. May the Force be with you too😊
There have always been countless strange force using groups that can do some strange things... some abilities are common, some super rare. Also having a group working in concert is different from an individual or pair of people... there's also the fact that intent and methods matter.
This falls flat to me because there is no way the most powerful and knowledgeable Sith Lords like Sidious and many others wouldn’t have learned what those “strange” force users know. There is no reason the witches would have knowledge the Sith Lords wouldn’t, or at least wouldn’t be able to learn. It’s been well documented that, at least since Tenebrous, the Sith had been studying the force and its potential diligently.
Long story short, they would have been able to learn how to do this stuff. It doesn’t make any logical sense no matter what - it’s just been massively bungled. I can suspend disbelief for theoretical fantasy worlds, but when that world isn’t self-consistent, it’s a problem.
@@michaeljayne6731 It makes perfect sense. The Sith were motivated by greed and lust for power so they failed. The witches were motivated by love so they succeeded. Simple as that.
@@Wright805 That doesn’t make sense to me. What kind of loving and good people encourage kids to lie so they can stay behind with the group to help the group be more powerful? Especially when one of those children clearly wanted to join the Jedi?
Doesn’t seem loving to me, it seems controlling and manipulative. Also, they’re so tuned with the force they can create life like that, but they couldn’t tell one of the young girls didn’t wanna be stuck in a life with the coven? If anything would be easier to do as a force-sensitive, it’s the latter thing.
And those are just a few issues I have. It’s not internally consistent at all, and I love fantasy but the world has to make internal sense and it absolutely does not.
One bonus: if “love” is so powerful that it’s a force cheat code, I don’t think most other events in the SW universe make sense. How can the Sith ever accomplish anything if the force is so anti-hatred? The Acolyte plot is more of something I’d expect from a movie like Frozen (oh! All along “love thaws”), not Star Wars. It made sense in Frozen, doesn’t make sense in SW. There are too many force welders for it to make sense, and soooo many good/loving/genuinely well-intentioned force users fail or die. If love makes the force work for you better, then that should not happen - at least to the degree it does in all other previous SW media.
@@michaeljayne6731 "One bonus: if “love” is so powerful that it’s a force cheat code, I don’t think most other events in the SW universe make sense. How can the Sith ever accomplish anything if the force is so anti-hatred?"
We're talking about using the Force to birth new life specifically, not using the Force in general.
I suggest you read Lisa Countryman's Willow/Tara fanfiction novels. Some of them feature Willow and Tara using magic to have a child. It's the same thing here.
@@Wright805 To me, using the force to birth new life is pretty extreme. That is an incredible power.
So, I must ask - why would the force allow for an extreme case of making new life because of love, but at the same time love doesn’t contribute to the general powers of the force in any appreciable, general way? Because that makes no sense to me.
"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
This is what I said about it. It’s an insult to Plagueis that he spent his whole life dedicated to it, and even Palpatine, with all his power could not do it alone.
Since we are at episode 3 it's quite obvious those witches were helped by the siths, might even be plagueis itself. Damn those fans are stupid.
@@anonymus4683 Those are unhealthy amounts of cope.
Disney as usual does not know what to do with all the IPs they buy simply because they can. So they choose to do stupid. Just admit it =)
I think 3 episodes into this story really doesn't tell me much. Too early to speculate where the story is going.
What is the key to why it worked was the twins, one born of light and the other of darkness. They balanced each other from the start.
That was my suspicion as well. That and that plagueis had selfish and power hungry (sith standard) intent and methods
They're a dyad.
It's almost like we have to wait for the show to actually finish to get the answers we want.
@@ibidiby1 funny how that works with TV shows!!! Lol.
Plaigus's and sidious's plan greatly backfired and the force punished them both with Anakin Skywalker
Fans: You may have Star Wars in your Name but we do not grant you the Title of Canon.
Worst thing they did was make legends non canon
@@brandon-ei1mz That's what I call a blessing in disguise.
If fans boycott everything Star Wars that Disney releases for 3 years the company will fold and sell the franchise.
@@liquiir-samaofuniverseeigh4854 you mean so they cant tarnish it?
i Like how its the dedicated old lore fans that can still make sense of the craziness that is modern star wars. With a little bit of work this entire video can be used by the Acolyte crew to make the show bettter. Have better depth instead of constantly shoving nonsensical actions and decisions then accusing everyone of being sexist or racist. This also proves that they dont have talent at disney if it takes superfans like The Stupendous Wave to make their own lore fit into their own world building.
It’s really not such a big deal. Not trying to sound mean, but you’re making a lot of assumptions about the show when there’s not a lot of information to go off.
1. We don’t know the witches were dark side users. They just belong to a different religion than the Jedi/Sith.
2. We don’t know that the Force considered their efforts to be an affront. They did end up murdered because of the twins, however.
3. We don’t really know that the twins were created through the same way the Sith tried to create Anakin.
4. Whatever ritual they did produced twins; one light, one dark.
5. For all we know, their tiny cult could have been doing this for generations. Maybe that’s even how their secret sect reproduces? It doesn’t appear that their goal was to produce someone as powerful as Anakin, or to dominate the Force. They appear to respect it as much as the Jedi.
Basically, we take it on faith that everything the Jedi believe about the force is the only way to think of it. We don’t know that’s true at all. We’ve really only gotten the Jedi and Sith’s “two sides of the same coin” ideas until this point.
Finally! Someone with some sense. All of these outrage videos are jumping to conclusions. The only thing we know is the twins were “created. fair all we know, they are clones. More likely, they were created by dark magic like the resurrected stormtroopers in Ashoka.
Also, when was it decided that Anakin as the only being ever created by the Force? Some many people jumping to conclusions is tiring.
It's seems the star wars fans. Have become dogmatic in their beliefs.
The director has even said we'll see other points of view on the subject, these "fans" just don't have any patience for a complete story.
The power of many type comment.
"Some how Palpatine Returned" is all you need to know about Disney Star wars
Legends is the real canon
Am I misremembering, or didn't the ancient Sith Lords create all kinds of monsters out of nothing using the dark side..? I thought that was why Plagueis believed he could even do it in the first place, those secrets were just lost to time.
No. Ancient sith created monsters by experimenting on life that already existed.
I'm pretty sure that was sith sorcery either creating illusions or summoning demons from the Darkside (there is a hell in star wars)
You’re close! The Ancient Sith experimented on living creatures and mutated their genes several times over to either breed new monsters or mutate existing life. Anything purely bred out of the dark side were more than likely illusions!
Hope this helps.
Thanks! I came across this video actually wondering if Plagueis was helping the witches...
They could say the witch leader was a former sith alchemist whose research was lost.
They could, but it wouldn't make any sense still, because that breaks the Rule of Two, and we know the Sith line before, during and after this generation. Also it would still be an absolute travesty, destroying Lucas' Star Wars and undermining Anakin and why the entire Story of the 6 movies takes place. We have to face the fact that with this, Disney has completely ruined Star Wars and a 40+ year span of continuity and canon has been irreconcilably damaged. Disney can't walk back from this one. It's over.
They have too much of a lesbian agenda to push for them to do that
They could also say the former employee of Harvey Weinstein is a complete fucking moron, hired by the elderly coffee lady who used to do some kind of work for Lucas and Spielberg.
Kept in place by the absolute other incompetent out of touch imbecile of a CEO former newsman iger. And they still get funded by a massive investment corporation such as Blackrock who openly stated that they want to change behaviour. Then again, they all seems to be getting paid for now, so perhaps it's workign as intended. For now. This trend won't last forever.
It wouldn't break the rule of two at all. There can be multiple sith (which we've seen countless times with ventress, maul, savage and dooku all being alive at one time). There can't be more than one sith lord and an apprentice.
@joshbuchanan8541 They are not REAL Sith, though. So you are trying to say that a shitty Sith Acolyte has the ability to do something that one of the most powerful Sith masters and alchemists in galactic history couldn't do? That makes absolutely zero sense. Stop trying to defend Disney's shitty woke decisions and just accept you have 2 options now. You shovel the BS that Disney is doing down like a mindless drone and try and justify the contradictory and stupid things they do. Or 2. Ignore Disney completely and only accept the OG 6 Lucas movies, the Clone Wars, and the EU (Legends) as canon. And trust me, Legends is not only 1000x better, but it also makes sense and doesn't contradict the movies and lore. The choice is obvious. Ignore Disney.
I'm simply not going to care yet. I don't know how the series is going to handle any implications yet. But for now, I'm willing to be ok with an isolated and secretive group that has a different understanding of the force do things others couldn't. And even if they don't address it any further at all, I'm fine staying here. I never care about canon much in the first place, but this still doesn't have to contradict it.
Can we at least hold off on these dramatic opinions until the season is finished
Agreed. It’s not why I watch this channel, if this goes on I’m done.
Its almost like no one in the comments have seen or read a murder mystery before and been tricked by it.
We're not even 1/3 the way in and so many commentors have taken the first bait already. Of COURSE it makes no sense!No where in the episode did it say these "twins" were made out of nothing by the Force like Anakin.
For the life of me I cannot understand how they are even being seriously compared at this point except for ambiguitous dialogue designed to make us immediately draw conclusions. Think about it. The "twins" hardly show a "Chosen Ones" affinity to the Force do they? No. In fact 1 dies as a child and the other fails to make Knight as an adult/teen. So what gives?
The showwriters sure did an apt job if making us see an easy connection though with that 1 line "created them". Maybe even to draw us off track? Consider it. It's too easy but we are used to easy in Star Wars. Point A to point B.
The path of least resistence almost is never the one that ends up being the right one in a Mystery story which is what this show was described as.
That's what makes a good/decent mystery story. The turns. Finding out which is a reliable source to go by. Which isn't.
Ep.3 was entirely from a flashback of a childs perspective. How reliable could that possibly be? Of COURSE the rock isn't flammible but through a childs eyes? Of course it was.
How many times does the showrunners have to tell us the viewer that nothing is as it seems and that our predictions won't be right before we listen and let the story play out before jumping to such MASSIVE conclusions as "Lore's been ruined. No walking it back NOW!", "Dis has killed the Chosen Ones importance!", "SW is dead!", "[Insert culturely bias opinion]", etc etc.
For crying out loud has anyone considered the possibility that the emotions we are all feeling right now were intended to cloud our judgement and keep us from using our analytical brains?
Let the story play out. I've seen/read plenty of bad mystery stories in my day but passing that judgement on them would have been impossible before the curtains fell on the Third Act...😮
I don't understand wth is going on in Star Wars canon anymore. The power to create life is as easy as thinking of the Force in a slightly different way? Is this where we're at? We're kinda semi-screwed already when Grogu just mysteriously exhibit the ability to heal in Mandalorian S1, but now? I give up...
This is why Disney needs to hire actually fans who are familiar with the lore
The algorithm is burying this.
Who says we need to believe or acknowledge what Disney's put out
the acolyte, like so much of disney star wars, is just whimsical fan fiction. I wouldn’t want any writer hired by disney/lucasfilm coming anywhere near Darth Plagueis
The only way to save the series is for Plagueis to be the one training Mae but I highly doubt that to be the case.
One of your best videos to this day 🙌🏽
Thank you for all of your knowledge! We appreciate your vast knowledge
I have no issues with the witches creating life; the Sith, aren't the only dark side users, as the Jedi for the light. No Sith has to obey the rule of two. The Force is flexible and understanding to allow it's use to heal as a light side trait, or decay, as a dark side one. The witches were adding another thread on an existing thread and while they mightn't be able to do things Jedi and Sith can do, this they could. The birth was within their own members and if the Force didn't want this, it'd have failed. This is the will of the Force as expressed in these passive Force users. We seek to lock the Force to only Jedi and Sith and abhor other users access to it. There's the Bendu who is all accepting of the Force and in harmony. This is our aim.
The star wars force is a "hard" magic system with rules and guidelines, while magic, like in Potterverse, is a more flexible "softer" magic system, even magic like the dathmiri witches had limits. They shouldn't be able to create life, only manipulate it. The fact that the sith ( Darth Plaguis ) got too greedy when in the middle of a ritual and tried to take the forces' place in playing God is when the force temporarily left him and created Anakin to punish the sith.
Tbh. This is a part of legends I’m glad is no longer canon. Just my subjective opinion of course but I don’t find this explanation of Anakin’s origin to be very interesting. I also don’t want The Acolyte to end up being some origin story for the method that created Anakin or something. I like that so far it’s totally disconnected from the Skywalker Saga and I want it to stay that way.
Disney doesn’t understand Star Wars. They’re incapable of telling a good story. Literally just adapt the Plagueis novel; it’s already written for you. Fans would lose their minds!
Plaguesis novel is a true work of art.. He instantly become one of my very favorite characters off of one book. Disney is not cut of for handling Plaguesis, or really any of the true Sith lords.
Blasphemy. Absolute Blasphemy.
Togetha we will become familly
I know it's from a different franchise, but what the creative team of Acolyte is doing is basically summarized by Ian Malcom
"The problem with their work didn't require any discipline to make. They read what others had done and they took the next step, they take no responsibility because the didn't earn that knowledge for themselves. They stood on the shoulders of geniuses and before they knew what they had, the packaged it, put it in a lunch box and they're selling it, they're selling it"
and all because "we want to make men uncomfortable"
I'm not surprised that Acolyte would make a horrifying mistake like this, but there's nothing to be done when all that's been thrown into the franchise are mindless sheep that got to where they are through the success of their predecesors....
Darth Plagues: It took years of hard work to create new life not to mention that the force will be most upset about this.
Witches of Brendok: Create life like that and have not consequences from the living force.
Was wondering if TSW was gonna stay out of the drama, and controversy, but I guess it could not be ignored even here 🤣
Well, he already said how much he hated the 3rd episode in a previous video.
Hahaha “In a castle made of flammable stone” 🤣🤣🤣 Nice subtle dig at the show lol
The people currently in charge of the future of the starwars universe are childish and have serious personal biases which cloud and distort hopes for an accurate story.
For a person to have such hatred inside themselves that they would destroy decades of artistic continuity of thousands of individuals is astounding.
Okay! Everyone is thinking way to hard about the concept of the twins creation We still don’t know how Mother Aniseya created the twins, either through some ancient arcane magic or ritual, we still don’t know , it’s been three episodes we’ve only got 4 episodes left, we’ll know the whole story of the twins birth soon enough it’s a only a matter of time. Also, the story of the Acolytes does not undercut the characters of plagueis or Anakin in way shape or form.
There's no guarantee we'll learn the way the twins were created, since star wars was taken over there are always unanswered questions now....
Lol, okay, they were made of the thread (force) what are you fucking talking about?
Don't tell me that you support this woke ass bs of a show....
@@tomkite91 we’ll get answers!
Still trash
@@haynesdevon0 okay! Then don’t watch the show
I can't believe Filoni let this through. Absolutely ridiculous
The fact that Darth Plagueis, Sidious's master spent all that time and effort to create the chosen one out of the force to give us the Star Wars universe that we all love just for these DEI witches who are not Sith to do it too so easily just completely discredits & undermines the history and legacy of Star Wars. This woke Star Wars crap is really turning me off and it's not necessary to force this nonsense in every Disney movie or show there is these days. DEI & this woke crap is the real dark side of the force.
Well said!
So if it sucked with white people it would be better?
Your completely right!
DEI ? Lol just say the N word
This is a really good callout. Here's hoping for some sort of surprises in the next few episodes that somehow makes the show make more sense.
The whole crew from Friday night, tights, nerd, erotic, and critical drinker and all of them have been talking about it
The biggest problem with the Acolyte , is that it was ever made .