Mike Portnoy Vs. Billy Rymer at Drum Fight IX
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Mike portnoy (dream theater, avenged sevenfold, flying colors) battles Billy Rymer (Dillinger escape plan, the rivalry) at the long island Drum Fight at Ollies point revolution rock club. They were judges along with Kenny Lane Schwartz (Ghostwolf, Exes of Evil, Disco Vietnam) and Frank Gilchriest (riot, Virgin Steele).
People will hate me for this, but I think Rymer is better. I like the way how he can do so much with so little and make it sounds huge
Rymer is better.
Rymer has a better sense of odd rhythm and timing, and he can change from normal time to double time, to cut time, back to the normal beat instantaneously. It shows a lot of control and discipline. If I could be half the guitarist that he is as a drummer, I could die happy.
Also, Portnoy is great for fancy footwork, whereas Rymer seems to like using his hands more.
intellidjent It's because this is true.
He's newer so he's had more to go by, I'm a MP whore but he's older and such, so hasn't got the skill of a younger buck who's had the level of knowledge at his fingertips that he has.
Still, MP gets his respect for being who he was when he was and having the impact that he did
Yeeeeah Rymer is better
What makes Rymer so terrifying as a drummer is just how easy he makes it look.
That’s what separates the great from the good, effortlessness
I love how Billy pays tribute to Mike's greatness while utterly demolishing him.
😂👍
1980s drum teacher versus modern professional drummer.
Ouch
It's gonna be pretty hard to beat the drummer from Dillinger... I mean come on.
Still watching this 8 years later and every time I'm just like "stop stop he's already dead!"
This may be the first time Bllly has played a live show where his drums weren't destroyed by Greg ahahah
damn portnoy got schooled
throwdown47 seriously
@@aldoeverzon2969 cope harder fanboy
@@sejerrasmussen6537 I mean @Aldo EVERZON has a point dude, no denying it.
@@Damo887 Saying that Mike isn't serious just cause he can play better stuff when it's already written and practiced is a pretty moot point in a fuckin drum battle lol
When Mike is asked to play super complicated stuff in his bands, he'll do it gladly, but when asked to drum on the fly he can only come up with the random-crash-hits-80's stadium rock solo we saw. It's a drum battle, not a "who has recorded the most technical drums in their past"-battle and he just failed at it - simple as
@@sejerrasmussen6537 Simple as.
I feel like Rymer could slay almost any Dream Theater or A7X songs fairly easy, but Portnoy would probably have a tough go of a lot of Dillinger songs. They're both really great drummers though
@MovieCore Dream Theater songs aren’t really challenging chopwise. “Dance of Eternity” is only tricky because of all the time signature changes.
DonKrieg95 Huh? While I think that Dream Theater is overrated in terms of complexity, their songs are pretty damn hard to play. Listen to the crazy soloing part in the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten.
@Akula I should’ve been more clear. I was talking about Portnoy’s parts. Mangini’s parts have some sneaky difficulty to them.
@@Doatello1991True. Mike has that quality to him that helps makes Dream Theater sound like Dream Theater, though.
I'm a huge fan of Mike but he got stomped here. But in his defense, he never claimed to be a master of technique. You can be an effective player without them, but you will be limited in what you can do. Also people with more developed technique will annihilate you in situations like this.
Beefnhammer you can tell portnoy is a groove oriented drummer, billy is all jazz and technique. both awesome, but very different drummers
i dont know nothing bout drumming but billy grooved more imo
See.... Imagine what could Mike Mangini would do with Mike Portnoy in a battle
I read this comment thinking I was in the tab with a Red Letter Media video, and it still made perfect sense.
ive noticed that the people who say ''portnoy, jordison, barker, peart... etc'' are the best drummers, quite often dont play the drums on dont know shit about it.
DUDE. wildlife. La Dispute is amazing. just thought id say hi to a fellow fan ;)
oh, and especially barker and peart are overrated. for sure those two.
Cole444Train haha hi dude!!
Can't believe you guys are lumping Neil Peart in with Jordison and Barker... Neil Peart overrated?!?!? WTF? I guess everybody is overrated 30 years after they've raised the bar so high and turned everything on it's side. You guys should learn and respect your history.... In the late 70's and 80's, the stuff Peart was doing within the realm of technical Rock drumming was so forward thinking and darn near impossible--which is why he inspired so many drummers and still gets named dropped as an influence by most Rock drummers worth listening to. Like everything else, a newer generation will come and raise the bar even higher from the previous generation (see the video above)...but, in order to get to the guys that YOU consider "the best" today, you had to have guys like Peart first. The 'my dad is better than your dad' guys will never understand that, though. I guess you think guys like Buddy Rich are overrated too... you know, he was of an older generation too...
GmanRushFan77 too many words. im drunk. bye
Billy plays a mike portnoy beat at 5:08, it's the beginning of the song "6:00" off the awake album from dream theater. Pretty cool, you can tell he's got some respect for his elders. New school cats will always be better than older generation guys chop wise, but the respect is there from billy which is cool.
+Laura Summers Well said Laura. Despite Portnoy's ego, he DID do a lot for the drumming world, and Billy knows it. There's ALWAYS something to be said for those whom came before and helped us become better. Billy makes me wanna get back after it; the metal world needs guys like BIlly to carry the baton, but it took Portnoy to get it there. Too bad he (Portnoy) botched the Dream Theater gig; he'll never get it back from Mangini.
I don't think any new school cats will be able to out-chop Zach Hill.
hes new school
@ARKAEA33 Zach Hill is in that 'new school' demographic bubs.
BUT as a side note, and as much as I've always enjoyed his projects,
most well established drummers can play consecutive rudiments-turned full set poly-rhythms like Zach. It's just viewed as meandering after a while. He DOES have endurance for daaaaaaays but he certainly isn't doing anything unattainable. Just of the top of my head- check out Eric Moore; that dude is a session drummer but puts Zach's speed and endurance to shame when he's just goofing off and that's one of a multitude of drummers out there right now.
I came here to point this out! Also with this 'new school' referencing... Billy is much more Gadd/Porcaro in his execution, nothing like Hill who is more like Keith Moon in the way of artistry and the abstract. Ilan Rubin and Billy Rymer are the best of today's drummer imho.
BILLY HOLY FUCK
Rymer is gifted and is evolving, Portnoy has a giant ego and wears his hat backwards
Hahahahaha, that last part killed me.
Have some respect for the guy who helped create prog metal ;)
Have some respect for the guy who helped create prog metal ;)
Prog metal was created long before Portnoy, try listening to the stuff that the guys in Dream Theater grew up on, such as ELP, KING CRIMSON, UK, pre 78 GENESIS, YES, GENTLE GIANT, BRAND X, CHIC COREA, BRUFORD, ALAN HOLDSWORTH! RUSH! These are the band's that created prog! I left out STYX because right from the start they sold out to the AM radio stations
+philip naclerio what I mean is that you are being disrespectful. This guy has done so much in his life, it's mindblowing ;) And judging only by chops is pointless to me ;)
Of course Rymer is better. It's called the evolution of drumming. But w/o the likes of Mike (or any other influencial drummers out there), I doubt Bill would be as good as he is today. Mike is still one of the best drummers out there... Not as a soloist, but as a band's drummer.
Uh, Billy plays in a band. LAWYERED.
yeah exacty man.his improvized solos suck badly but his composition (and performance thereof) in the band is tremendous.
Mike's also always said he was never a soloist drummer, it's funny how people take fans opinions and conflate them with the opinion of the actual person
danceofeternity3824 yea but Nick Yack
Standing on the shoulders of giants.
Now... I absolutely love Portnoy... but Rymer definitely won by a landslide. Technique and emotion are what caught my eye, and Portnoy seemed to lack both in this performance.
Billy pissed all over Mike..
Mike Portnoy is a god but it's hard to outshred and outgroove a jazz drummer. Plus, Billy is fucking nuts. All in all, this video was sick.
Mike is a great drummer to non-drummers, much like Neil Pert. Billy actually has incredible chops.
Moronic elitist take
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"I'm just gonna hit all these cymbals at random times. Everyone with think I'm a genius." -Mike Portnoy
"Get the fuck out of my house, Portnoy!" -Billy Rymer
Well, this performance by Billy should humble Mike a little...That is if anything can! IMHO, Billy sort of showed him 'how it's done'; and then some!
Rymer destroys....also his kit sounds 10x better.
Billy's rhythmic control is astounding
I get the feeling that these guys have done this before, this whole drumming thing.
rymer is my best friend, in the world, (this isnt even my youtube account by the way, sorry guys, youre logged in). Gotta say, I know you're all debating who is better. We listened to dream theater, he and I, our entire lives. we were so heavily influenced by them. we come from kings park, and we were SO proud that kevin moore, john petrucci, and john myung had gone to our small high school. we religiously listened, studied, and played their material. Sure, my buddy -- his playing speaks for itself, but portnoy and those fellows are the reason we play how we play. So much love to both of these dudes, because DT molded us, and our playing, from an early age. I made rymer listen to NIN, he made me listen to DT. That's what friends are for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (PS: we talked about this moment since we were little kids, so he had 20 years of mental preparation for this very day -- listen to what he says at the end). To all you guys, who I know are musicians, keep up the good work. we love you all. Also, check out the nightmare police I totally just highjacked their youtube to make this comment. Keep those grooves up!!!!!!!
You are being very nice about billy crushing mike. Mike may be an influence to him but I’d imagine it didn’t take billy long to surpass an overrated drummer with a giant ego.
Mike Portnoy had allready used up his drumknowledge by minute two...whilst Billy could go one hour without boring the audience ! And I am not disrespectful bla bla I'm just stating facts !
Teethclenser2007 but then solo drumming was never portnoy's strength, its his team composition
I think I first found this in like 2015 and I showed this to my Dad who idolized Portnoy for decades and he visibly did not like this video once he realized Billy was waxing that ass lol.
Billy is a hard hitter and a very controlled one to boot. That is what makes him a beast.
Mike Portnoy never left high school.
Silent Bob
Imagine Matt Halpern vs Billy Rymer! That'd be amazing
If I was Portnoy after Billy played his first solo, I would've gotten up, taken a seat in the audience and said, "I bow out. Please, continue..."
Billy Rymer seems faster and smoother. Mike Portnoy is just getting older. Also, the time signatures Billy usually plays are more complex than Dream Theatre's timing.
funny how immediately after watching this, i stumbled upon an interview of mike in which he announces he's not going to play drum solos ever again... neither would i ;D .... but seriously they're both incredible musicians.
Haha. Mike got SCHOOLED. HARD!!!!!
I learn so much from studying both Billy and Mike. Each of them have something unique to offer in terms of songwriting and application of technicality. I don't think that makes one entirely better than the other.
Deberían ser todos más honestos. Cuando escuché por primera vez "The Dance of Eternity" quedé fascinado. MP abrió muchas mentes e hizo huella en la historia de la batería. Me parece que podrían estar más agradecidos de los caminos que abrió para que hoy existan bateristas tan talentosos como Billy Rymer. No sólo se mide a los músicos por su capacidad de interpretación, sino por su capacidad creativa (el caso más destacado: Lars).
Me gustaría ponerlo en inglés, pero no me dan la cabeza ni las ganas. Para toda la comunidad en español! Saludos.
Santiago De Bernardez totalmente cierto
Perdí el respeto por éste comentario cuando mencionó a Lars.
Lo puse como ejemplo porque sin ser un gran ejecutor, sí me parece un gran compositor para su época. No sé tu edad, pero yo en los 80 escuché "Master of Pupets" y "And Justice for all..." y me voló la cabeza. No veo la música como una competencia, sólo veo músicos que han abierto caminos.
Rymer has played with better bands. The Dillinger Escape Plan is probable one of the most original sounding bands ever.
6:40 - 6:52 was "43% burnt"?
Rymer was the for the win. Rymer was the locomotive, Portnoy was the tracks.
Hahaha... HELL YES. I pick Billy Rymer - not only overall, but his chops and catch-factor were far-and-away more captivating. Love his energy and creativity. The drum-beat @ 2:35 is off-the-chain. I loved all of it to be sure.
Portnoy vs Ulrich, now there's a challenge for both parties
The battle our humanity needs , but doesn't deserve..
Wow... This kid totally handed Portnoy his ass.... Awesome job, Billy Rymer! Great technique, and composition. Very musical soloing!
Both guys are definitely verrryyy talented, though. Can't deny it.
Rymer just fucking DEMOLISHED Portnoy.... lolololol. No comparison. And believe me, Portnoy is a MONSTER... But Rymer just wrecked his shit.
I’m Seven years too late but billy crushed it.
Keep coming back to this. I love seeing how badly Portnoy got smoked.
Same
Portnoy ain’t got shit on Billy.
Ha! at 5:09 Rymer starts to play 6:00 by Dream Theater xD I bet Mike got a kick out of that.
I really gotta see Rymer face off against Zach Hill
i was here at this event , it was a drum competition i ended up getting first place., you cant judge billy and mike on the careers because of the age difference mike has had way more time to do more things but coming from an up in coming drummer billy is way better then mike would have been at his age not dissing mike cause he is awesome big fan but its just shown..
Rymer swallowed Portnoy from tip to bottom
this must have done wonders for mike's ego, haha. he's good at songwriting and orchestrating the drums over songs in an interesting way, but in terms of soloing and actual chops, he's always been kinda cruddy
Billy Rymer WINS!
Both guys are great, but I'm not a Dream Theater fan. I think Portnoy has technique and style, but I'm giving it to Rymer on technique, rhythmic expertise, and (least of all) I'm a HUGE fan of The Dillinger Escape Plan.
Hi I'm Mike Portnoy and if you watch closely my playing in 30 years of repeating the same stuff I never developed my second ghost note...I can do just one...I am the king of basic fills and that got me to where I am now ! getting my ass kicked by almost everyone having a couple of drumming lessons from youtube !
I've been a big dream theater fan for ages, and also somewhat of a fan of DEP, though I haven't really followed all the albums by either group, but I have to admit that Portnoy's drumming in DT never sounded interesting or impressive to me and it just blended with the songs nicely. In this video Portnoy's playing sounds like autopilot rock drumming cliches with zero creativity or musicality, absolutely boring, but Rymer is actually holding my attention with a flow of musical ideas. There's no comparison. Rymer is a thousand times better.
I respect your opinion but portnoy has written some of those most interesting drum parts ever in a lot of songs throughout his career. He's never been an amazing soloist but his parts always serves the songs perfectly
Mike Portnoy is really F'ing amazing at being mainstream as F. Billy Rymer is really Fucking amazing at being mathcore as Fuck. They're both really fucking good.
You're funny, implying Rymer couldn't play what Portnoy can given a few weeks practice is just dumb. I understand he has an extensive history of impressive work and is incredibly skilled but he's not leagues beyond the talent of everyone who's ever touched a drum kit.
Sorry but the best drummer in the world would have to play something insane to make Rymer look bad by comparison. He looks completely inspired and full of energy, and there's nothing better than a drummer with passion.
Billy Rymer is killing \m/
Click on the LP Studio video or anything recent. He's way the hell past it. Dream Theater are much better off with Mike Mangini. Avenged Sevenfold are much better off with the young, talented no-name they replaced Portnoy with. His reflexes and chops just aren't up to it any more. It's sad but it's also true.
The thing is though, I don't need to be a drummer to tell that he is incredibly sloppy compared to Rymer. Just look at how controlled Rymer is. It's amazing. You look at Portnoy and he just looks like a kid messing around at a drum store.
They need Lars to give them a lesson, nah just playing.
he probably didnt wanna make rymer look bad to his crowd. i've seen portnoy do more with a smaller kit than that. look at ALL of the songs he's recorded and played PERFECTLY live and then look at rymers stuff there's no comparison that Portnoy is better
Billy 110% technique, rhythmically creative and originality.
They're of course both immensely talented, and I'd even argue that they played equally well here. It's just a matter of stylistic preference in this case, and I'd personally go with Billy Rymer. I like The Dillinger Escape Plan more than Dream Theater, so I may be biased, but I enjoyed Rymer's playing more in this video.
Sorry but I don't like Mike Portnoys style of drumming. The's good though, better than I'll ever be, but the style isn't something for me....
i'm a huge portnoy fan since i can remember. i don't know who this billy is, but i think he's the better drummer here. sorry mike. hehe.
Rymer plays definitely more musical and modern !!!!!! Portnoy misses his twenty toms, on the small kit, .....he can´t play intressting!!!!
Why is there always a fight about who's best? 99% of us here couldn't do 99% of this if we had a gun to our head. Respect to both!
It was most likely an honour for both drummers to be here together. Billy Rymer because he was probably influenced by and listening to Portnoy and his contemporaries in metal. Mike Portnoy because he's witnessing the change of the guard to an intricate, modern sound which he [ultimately] had a hand in creating. Both should be proud because they're highly intelligent as drummers and this is a wicked video.
three years late mebbe but still, Portnoy may have "influenced" Rymer but those skills he's using are not "new" or "modern" and he had little hand in creating any of it. Billy is a creation of years of insane big band, swing, fusion and jazz that fused it again with metal. the only connection between Portnoy and Rymer is they both play a kind of metal. Portnoy wouldn't be able to hold most big band/jazz drummers greats gig bag, let alone sit in with them. Rymer, most certainly could.
Damn, Portnoy just got murdered...
SLAUGHTERED!!!!!!
Love the music Portnoy has played on much more, but man did Rymer outplay him here.
the concept of music fight is absurd
not really. drum battles have been happening forever.
Billy destroyed Portnoy pretty relentlessly. That being said, I'm currently wearing a Dream Theater shirt. Haha
this should be in PH with the title "Young boy f**ks old bearded man using 2 sticks"
No offenses but no contest I’d rather see Billy up against Nick Yack!!
Sir rymer you blew old portnoy out of this world
Billy RYMER sounds most jazzy than MP, his drumming is more spectacular and more technique. TDEP drums parts are also more hard to learn and play than DT songs because impossible time parts ^^ But MP is a great composer and his carreer is highly acclaimed (hall of fame...). On songs like hell's kitchen, octavarium, dance of eternity etc. etc. etc. his drumming is so very goog thought ! Il like these 2 drummers and their projects.
Both are amazing drmmers but agreed. Billy definately wins this.
And the winner is............. drum roll.......................... the viewing audience.
Portnoy got totally RINSED
Billy just wrecked Mike. That was not even fair.
Portnoy got absolutely destroyed hahaha
Not a drummer but even I must admit Portnoy lost, but give him credit he's still one of the best, but remember Petrucci > Ben Weinman (in most ways)
and people say the portnoy its better than Mangini hahahah
AsAbove SoBelow I know, man. Drives me CRAZY. Usually it’s Dream Theater purists that want the original lineup back. Mangini could give Portnoy drum lessons.
idk why you see everything like a battle.... they are just havin fun playing together
I fucking love Billy - he's only the drummer on their most recent album as well - all there drummers have been ridiculous!!!
Is it just me, or has Rhymer developed Chris Pennie's signature chin-jutting pose?
2:36 :O D: !!!
"Billy! ...Holy shit.."
crowed member "Nice!"
Mario Duplantier needs to be in one of these. As does Thomas Pridgen.
that and it takes real balls to play DEP while only being in his mid 20's.
Holy shit, that guy just demolished Portnoy :O
Holy shit. Watch everything leading up to it, but what happens from 6:00 - 6:05 is insane.
I love how Billy Rymer owns the shit out of Portnoy in this video yet basically every one of the related videos are all about Portnoy. Loooool.
This settles it
DEP > DT
Billy Rymer vs Tomas Haake, I would kill to see that one.
Mike is a legend in his own right, but Billy ate his lunch and stole his girlfriend here...
I think in this setup that is the point. I suggest you watch more of his performances as he is a very great drummer. The problem with this is his style of play just isn't what Billy's is, and in a "just groove out" setup, Billy is going to win, because Mike has a much more traditional/classic metal/rock style.
Billy grooves better