Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the impression that colleges and universities nowadays are becoming more like businesses rather than education systems. I mean, they try their best to sell by increasing their reputation, buying their names in newspaper and ranking sites, etc. to attract more students. It's not necessarily a bad thing, colleges are trying to improve to polish their names, but I wish people, especially young, disoriented people would come to colleges and universities with the intention of learning what they want and what will help them to become productive members of society in the future, not because a school is simply considered "prestigious" and "highly ranked".
Max Weber already saw this (I think it was in his "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" 1904). He compares the (then normal)European style of education - The Mentor-Student relation with the American pragmatical "You teach me-I pay you" model. Weber gives cons and pros for both systems. Basically the American model is more cost-effective and creates more experts in less time, but at the same time it destroys the possibility of genius - I don't have the numbers but I believe that most American Nobel laureates in the past 100 years studied abroad or where from there to begin with. But at the same time USA is still the most advanced nation on Earth mostly because of it's industry and educated middle-class.
They also increase their ranking by spending the tuition we pay on things like gardens and more swimming pools. I got my degree at SMU. Don't get me wrong, it's a great school because they pay their professors well. But they also spend a fortune on landscaping alone and that degree cost me an arm and a leg. I'm basically paying the equivalent of a second car payment every month just for my bachelors degree. I pick some of their flowers ever now and again. Hell, I'm paying for them.
yes, that! thank you for mentioning it. instead of spending our money for improving the quality of classes, they spend a big amount on useless things. my university increases 10% of our tuition every year and yet they spend it on a stupid parking lot security system that doesn't even work! who the hell knows where the rest of that money goes to!
Can I drink some beer? US: No the drinking age is 21 Can I fall into thousands of dollars of college debt just to have to go back again later on? US: We got you covered fam.
Already done, the Game Theorist has a couple of videos that explain the RUclips algorithm and how RUclips works. Give them a watch there're pretty good.
I went to a top ranked university because I believe it mattered. Honestly, I would've probably been happier at a lower ranked school and I still would have gotten a decent degree. This ranking ridiculousness really shows how elitist the education system can be! It is a popularity contest!
WrinkleinTime42 when you go to a top ranked universities, you don't just go there for the education, but for the connection you'll make while you're there.
Michael Panggabean you can make connections anywhere really. In my experience, it's more competitive, the school is huge and it's hard to be viewed as an individual, it's near impossible getting classes you need or talking to advisors, it's very beaureucratic, there's very little support because the school is so large, and most importantly because of the fancy name, it's so expensive!! I love studying at this school but I definitely understand that it's not for everyone. If you can go to one, great! But if not, a quality education can be acquired anywhere! What matters is you pursuing higher education. Sure some have better opportunities than others, but what matters is the most is how determined the individual is to pursue what they want to pursue. With enough dedication, one can be successful no matter where they studied! Most people don't attend top schools, so it's stupid to have such a narrow view of what a "quality education" looks like. And making connections or not is very individual- you can't always depend on the school for that :')
WrinkleinTime42 again, I'm not saying that you can't make connections outside of top universities, but it helps. For example, if you graduated for a university that's famous within the field that you're interested in, you will find many professionals in that field graduated from your uni. They will find you more recruitable just because you graduated from the same uni as them, because people generally love something that's in common. You can still get accepted at that company even if you don't graduated from the uni as him, but if there are 2 similar candidates but one graduated from his Alma mater and the other from a different uni, it's obvious who he'll pick.
My prof could have potentially gone to a New York university, but because the costs were so unreasonably high, he decided to come to Canada since it was cheaper. Really intelligent guy, and he's still finding lots of ways to remain relevant today (and it looks like he still plans to). I'm always intimidated by going out into the real world, but in getting career advice from him, I really just got the impression that as long as you're focused on what you want and find all the ways to do it (and being sensitive with what you have, who you're connected to), you'll be just as set as the others. Really, it should be about how you present yourself... In time, people will figure out whether that presentation of yourself is in line or just totally off base, anyway.
Finally! Glad to see Adam doing one on the College/University scam. I even fell for this one, as I was pressured to go to College. All the graduating teens really need to see this. Thank you Adam.
Lots of money is spent on recruiting and marketing by universities. Many people think community colleges are sub prime, when they are not. If you want to enter a profession that does not require a bachelor's degree or higher, then going to a community college is best. Even if a bachelor's degree or higher is required, getting your first two years out of the way at a community college makes the most sense (or cents). It breaks my heart to see so many parents of middle and high schoolers set on universities, and willing to go into so much debt for a bachelor's degree or higher that has little to no return on investment (ROI). Sadly, I see this getting worse, since no higher ed institution is incentivized to keep tuition the same, now that the Biden administration has awarded student loan forgiveness.
It all depends on what you are majoring in. I am a physics teacher and value my physics degree as well as my postgraduate teaching credential. But there are definitely many useless degrees out there, sometimes a lucrative 2 year vocational degree proves far more useful than a bachelor's degree in something useless.
Not necessarily, some degrees are important but not job oriented, like philosophy, a degree in physics or some like these are not job oriented so basing college on these graduate's job performance would tell you nothing about the college program itself. Eg. A programmers job performance won't tell you much about physics program in his college.
@@TheRitesh41 but that's the larger problem, that it's taken for granted a college education is important, but by subsidizing education, there has been the creation of credential inflation, which increases education needed for signaling, instead of learning skills essential to the workplace.
@@brettknoss486 i am sorry, maybe I am dumb, can you explain what do you mean by"a degree needed for signaling? "And by credential inflation you mean rise in over all credit because of student loans in the us?
@@TheRitesh41 credental inflation means that higher credentials are required for the same work, while social signaling refers to something that is done to improve social standing. One theory for the growth of education is that students competing for jobs, obtain higher education to signsl better ability to work, and that if education was not subsidized only the rich could afford education, so education would not reliably dignal intelligence or conformity.
Actually it's not. I can make a video titled, "Your brithday is TODAY!!!", and the entire comments section will consist of people wondering how did I know.
As autodidacts already know, college is not necessary to learn. As any community college graduate knows, there is no limit to what a curious mind can learn. But as only Ivy League grads know, the personal connections made at an Ivy League university can sustain a life of wealth and privilege.
Thanks mrburns805 I forget that most of my university study was as a middle aged man. I knew more at 47 than I knew at 18 or 25, and consequently knew how to learn a little better. I always felt my advantage until I studied vector calculus, then I wished I was young again. My ex-wife taught herself how to value houses by going out to value houses for fun. With no college, she became the assessor's valuation defender in county board hearings. Inspiration is the key to anything, and tuition is very inspirational. I guess its "follow your bliss." Learn to like learning early.
Never said i was a billionaire, but my point still stands, bill gates never even finished uni, neither did his start up partner, they just saw a gap in the market and started a buisness.
Jesus, people, you ruined me and my nickname instead of Adam. I wanted one on one intimacy and you made it a group thing. Now I feel all used and yucky :(
It is the same situation with those "Best Place to Work" rankings. The rankings are based on information provided by company managers There are no objective measurements being done.
University rankings are done for unis all around the world. The Shanghai ranking just came out for this year and despite being slightly less garbage than other rankings, it is still a pile of horseshit. These rankings do very little in terms of judging the quality of education. The Shanghai ranking, in order to judge quality of education, looks at the alumni having earned Nobel prizes and Fields medals (counts for 10% of the score). That is not very useful for students and employers wanting to know the quality of an institution, yet most people still seem to trust the Shanghai ranking.
Here's how these algorithms work: They already have a preconceived notion on the rankings, they just rework the percentages until the numbers add up to those pre-determined ranks.
The university I went to eliminated the deans since it only had three and they were largely a title and not a real job for the previous couple decades after the university decided to make the chancellor more easily accessible to students. After about 5 years the school's ranking dropped a few spots even though it was getting better and looked into why. They found out some ranking systems randomly ask deans if they have heard of a particular university and one way to boost that is to have deans who go to conferences for deans so they brought back all three of the dean positions and their official job is basically acting as PR to other universities and companies to get the name out there. The deans are rarely on campus and the actual hierarchy didn't really change they were just inserted alongside existing positions.
Agree. Presidents of universities and colleges are just highly paid bobble heads. When it comes to the day-to-day, the provost matters more. It saddens me to see so many deans at a school. It has gotten worse, as more schools embrace the virtue-signal programs. Each program comes with its own Dean.
Would it be possible to do a “Ruins Everything” episode about the truth regarding the acceptance to Ivy League Schools - it has been a problem for low income people to get into these exclusive schools for years, but it seems that if one is wealthy or well-connected it is almost never a problem to get into a college like Harvard, Cornell, Brown, Duke, Princeton, or other higher end universities. I was wondering if you would like to do an episode about elite and exclusive schools and how factors like wealth and connections really make the difference, not necessarily how smart a student is.
So true My school is so obsessed with school rankings that most students are unable to take necessary classes because smaller classes look better on rankings
It's so stupid: universities in my country are usually at something like place 100 or 200 on these international lists (there are just very many colleges in the world). And they'll still act like it's meaningful when they go up 10 places or some such, when it's just normal reshuffeling that'll always happen on a long list
I knew this long before this video even came out. I chose a college based on the program curriculum and Affordability/Accessibility. Which should be the only factors you chose colleges on, not some listing made by an editor.
The international ranking is very important, and they invest a lot of time and money to do better. That's a good thing for students. My school was quick to drop under performing professors, invested in new systems and facilities. We jumped in the ranking last year because of completely overhauling the lab systems, a few years back. The ranking system generally works and makes it better for students, soon we will be getting new buildings and increased work spaces. I've already passed out and won't avail those facilities, I know I can visit almost every capital city and find an office, where talks and discussions are help regularly for Alumni.
Here is the thing due to what you said about higher ranked colleges getting more grants, and donations the rankings are still important in choosing the right school to go to, because the best funded schools often have a higher quality of education (or at least have the easiest time providing) .
lol i worked at my university's phonathon for a year, so i knew a little about this because they said several times that the reason they would ask for alumni donations was so that our school could maybe jump a couple places to the top 10
What about ratings for a specific field of study ? like top cs schools, top engineering schools, top math schools, top physics schools? is it the same thing?
I really wish I had known this back when I was applying to universities. Oh well, maybe the class of 2018 will know better and the knowledge will effect positive change.
There's one ranking I like: Call it the ADJUSTED ROI: ... Step 1: Take the median income of a graduate of said school for their 5th year after graduation. Step 2: Subtract from this what you would have made the same year anyway ... Subtract the current median income of a student when they started school if already at the peak of their career without the effect of the degree (usually only applies to grad schools and adult degree programs), otherwise subtract about 75k, the estimated median income of someone like a lead first line management level skilled tradesman (supervisory level electrician for example), car dealership general manager, police detective / police chief / fire chief / degree-less senior government administrator, degree-less network engineer, auctioneer, upper middle performing realtor, small business owner, etc, ... the jobs and pay grade that someone who made the cut to get in a good state university but decided against college would usually end up with by default about 10 years after graduating from high school (about the same age as someone who finished college about 5 years ago). Step 3: Multiply that number by 10 (this component of the index is the median 10 year salary difference attributable to going to that school. Lastly, divide that total gain by the total cost of attendance which is the sum of all tuition you paid, books, interest on student loans, PLUS foregone income from not working an associate level / starter job for 5 years; Go with the greater of 45k OR the median income of a student before they started school at said school). This is the ADJUSTED ROI. That ranking tells you what an 'average' education at that school is WORTH. If this number is 0 or negative, the 'university' is a diploma mill (nearly all public 'universities' come out to be diploma mills). It brings to light, the sad reality that the only universities that actually are universities are the original ones (Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, etc and maybe like 5 public universities that marginally make the cut). Those of us who couldn't afford to go to one or live in a state that doesn't have a public school that is a real university, we got $100,000 in debt for not.... Unless you became a surgeon or a neurologist or a VP of a decent company.
My school has the highest return on investment in our state. We are low on US News and World Report. Whatever ranking system they use doesn't take into account the most important things
I find it funny that this came out 3 days before I go back to college... Only 2 months before I'll see my friends and family in person. I am NOT mentally prepared for that again. Smiling on the outside, curled into an anxiety filled ball on the inside. :D
@Adam great find man can u go deeper into what kind of lies schools say to keep rankings? Is applying to the number 100th most prestigious college or university just the same as applying to one of the top 20? applying
Yaaa... He didn't explain the competition part. A long list of coincidences made a rumor that he was sent by the Portuguese court (the competition) to trick the Spanish court that was India...
that's 100% true ,even world universities rankings are alike ,some universities deserve to be in the top but due to unknown reasons they are not mentioned in the top 100 of political ranking system
You will go far. CCs provide the most return on your investment. For example, many RNs do not realize until it is too late, but the pay is the same with an ADN as it is with a BSN. Hospitals and clinics pay per job duties, not education. New Nurse Grads learn that having that BSN from a top ranked university or university with a good football team does not warrant a higher salary. The BSN and MSN only come in handy when you want to be in management, teaching, or advanced practice i.e.: nurse anesthetist. Same thing in the tech world. I have seen recent CC grads with an Associate's degree in Information Sciences, and a certificate in cyber security be immediately hired in the private/govt. sectors making a minimum of 60k. I am going to piss off some virtuous people, but, this is what I have seen, graduates from universities with degrees in gender studies, and theatre, live in their parents' garages, and work at Target, with a huge ball and chain on their leg called student loans. I do not feel sorry for their position, I feel sorry they put themselves in that position. Parents need to be more assertive on this, IMO.
My high school does this, they pretended to support my robotics team by hiring a robotics "teacher" who he himself told me he has no engineering experience and only has carpentry contracting experience. In fact he told I probably know more about robotics than he does. My school is rude to my team and corrupt, they take money "left over" from team's finances and forced my team to go to a liberal arts high school to build and they don't even give us a dollar. You'd think that once we got a sponsorship from nasa they'd support us more but nope, they tried to take possession of our robot (we needed for some parts) and tried to take our awards for their display. Instead we gave the duplicates we were given of some of our awards to the mayor since he helped us and put the others at the liberal arts school since they helped us and still do. Sadly well probably never be allowed to build at my school and will probably never be allowed to even wear our medals during graduation.
thanks for the work. quick question, does your research also support the same conclusion when it comes to High School rankings in Newsweek or the Washington post? Cheers!
I feel conflicted. On the one hand, this make me feel better about having graduated from an obscure university. On the other hand, it makes me ask: Where do you draw the line between freedom of speech and false-advertising?
Yeah.. I really feel that... I'm a student at berkeley right now. As good a school as berkeley is, we are only ranked 20 by US news. I mean... we are like top ten on every other international rankings.
Tucson Jim I think Adam is mainly focusing on US news national university ranking as he started we a guy picking up a us news ranking book and subsequently analyzed us news' ranking criteria. He did not mention any other rankings being crooked though. Moreover when I was applying for college us news was the ranking that the majority of people base their judgements on. I compare us news to other rankings as an act of agreeing with Adams video. I'm not saying that every other rankings are right or not crooked, just that ucb does well on every other rankings but not us news seems odd.
Yeah, internationnal rankings are okay, they don't reflect everything but give a good overview. Contrary to popular belief, there's a difference between a small partly funded university, and a world ranking university, in terms of teachers, avaiable research, funding, opportunity and so on....
Why don't they just place the importance of graduates that have jobs and the employers who are satisfied with the training that the graduate has. If only 10% of graduates at one school has a job in their field and employers who did hire a graduate form this University gave them a low score then that's a good indication that it's not a good school. If another school has 90% of graduates with a career in the field that they majored in(bonus points if another 50% of students didn't even graduate and still have a career in their field of study) and employers all said that the graduates have had adequate training then that means it's a very good school. That's literally the ONLY thing that matters yet that factor is completely overlooked when regarding the quality and prestige of a school.
What do you feel about ROI's? Compared to going to a cheap college and just moving away after you graduate? I feel like a good cheap, non profit, college, with a decent number of professors with a high rank my professor rating.
My dad works for a uni as a rankings whateverthefuck. His job is all about optimising the unis data to improve their ranking results. As far as I can tell, it's mostly about the researchers and how successful their papers are. Citations are pretty important. This is in Australia though.
I remember my sophmore year when I read that my shool had made a huge jump up in the rankings.
My reaction: "But... nothing changed"
Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the impression that colleges and universities nowadays are becoming more like businesses rather than education systems. I mean, they try their best to sell by increasing their reputation, buying their names in newspaper and ranking sites, etc. to attract more students. It's not necessarily a bad thing, colleges are trying to improve to polish their names, but I wish people, especially young, disoriented people would come to colleges and universities with the intention of learning what they want and what will help them to become productive members of society in the future, not because a school is simply considered "prestigious" and "highly ranked".
They were a business all along, it wasn't like they weren't before.
Max Weber already saw this (I think it was in his "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" 1904). He compares the (then normal)European style of education - The Mentor-Student relation with the American pragmatical "You teach me-I pay you" model. Weber gives cons and pros for both systems. Basically the American model is more cost-effective and creates more experts in less time, but at the same time it destroys the possibility of genius - I don't have the numbers but I believe that most American Nobel laureates in the past 100 years studied abroad or where from there to begin with. But at the same time USA is still the most advanced nation on Earth mostly because of it's industry and educated middle-class.
Amen! I agree.
They also increase their ranking by spending the tuition we pay on things like gardens and more swimming pools. I got my degree at SMU. Don't get me wrong, it's a great school because they pay their professors well. But they also spend a fortune on landscaping alone and that degree cost me an arm and a leg. I'm basically paying the equivalent of a second car payment every month just for my bachelors degree. I pick some of their flowers ever now and again. Hell, I'm paying for them.
yes, that! thank you for mentioning it. instead of spending our money for improving the quality of classes, they spend a big amount on useless things. my university increases 10% of our tuition every year and yet they spend it on a stupid parking lot security system that doesn't even work! who the hell knows where the rest of that money goes to!
Can I drink some beer?
US: No the drinking age is 21
Can I fall into thousands of dollars of college debt just to have to go back again later on?
US: We got you covered fam.
Why do you have to go back? Yikes.
Liuhuayue
Graduate degrees. Only necessary if you’re entering law or medicine, but still expected from pretty much everyone else.
Dusty Oh, I thought he meant college as in undergraduate again. XD
In Canada, you can drink at 19 in most of the country and 18 in the provinces of Quebec and Alberta (I was born and raised in Quebec).
Ironic you can vote, go too war (in fact the voting age was dropped due too this) or prison in the US but can't drink at 18!
Adam please ruin youtube or streaming sites
Edit: adam the people have spoken ,please do this subject
Nicoplia too late, RUclips already did that to itself with its crazy policies.
Nicoplia RUclips beat him to the punch XD
he did do one on free websites a while back
Already ruined enough.
Already done, the Game Theorist has a couple of videos that explain the RUclips algorithm and how RUclips works. Give them a watch there're pretty good.
I went to a top ranked university because I believe it mattered. Honestly, I would've probably been happier at a lower ranked school and I still would have gotten a decent degree. This ranking ridiculousness really shows how elitist the education system can be! It is a popularity contest!
WrinkleinTime42 when you go to a top ranked universities, you don't just go there for the education, but for the connection you'll make while you're there.
Michael Panggabean you can make connections anywhere really. In my experience, it's more competitive, the school is huge and it's hard to be viewed as an individual, it's near impossible getting classes you need or talking to advisors, it's very beaureucratic, there's very little support because the school is so large, and most importantly because of the fancy name, it's so expensive!! I love studying at this school but I definitely understand that it's not for everyone. If you can go to one, great! But if not, a quality education can be acquired anywhere! What matters is you pursuing higher education. Sure some have better opportunities than others, but what matters is the most is how determined the individual is to pursue what they want to pursue. With enough dedication, one can be successful no matter where they studied! Most people don't attend top schools, so it's stupid to have such a narrow view of what a "quality education" looks like. And making connections or not is very individual- you can't always depend on the school for that :')
WrinkleinTime42 again, I'm not saying that you can't make connections outside of top universities, but it helps. For example, if you graduated for a university that's famous within the field that you're interested in, you will find many professionals in that field graduated from your uni. They will find you more recruitable just because you graduated from the same uni as them, because people generally love something that's in common. You can still get accepted at that company even if you don't graduated from the uni as him, but if there are 2 similar candidates but one graduated from his Alma mater and the other from a different uni, it's obvious who he'll pick.
Where did you go WrinkleinTime42? and for what major?
My prof could have potentially gone to a New York university, but because the costs were so unreasonably high, he decided to come to Canada since it was cheaper. Really intelligent guy, and he's still finding lots of ways to remain relevant today (and it looks like he still plans to). I'm always intimidated by going out into the real world, but in getting career advice from him, I really just got the impression that as long as you're focused on what you want and find all the ways to do it (and being sensitive with what you have, who you're connected to), you'll be just as set as the others.
Really, it should be about how you present yourself... In time, people will figure out whether that presentation of yourself is in line or just totally off base, anyway.
Finally! Glad to see Adam doing one on the College/University scam. I even fell for this one, as I was pressured to go to College. All the graduating teens really need to see this. Thank you Adam.
Lots of money is spent on recruiting and marketing by universities. Many people think community colleges are sub prime, when they are not. If you want to enter a profession that does not require a bachelor's degree or higher, then going to a community college is best. Even if a bachelor's degree or higher is required, getting your first two years out of the way at a community college makes the most sense (or cents). It breaks my heart to see so many parents of middle and high schoolers set on universities, and willing to go into so much debt for a bachelor's degree or higher that has little to no return on investment (ROI). Sadly, I see this getting worse, since no higher ed institution is incentivized to keep tuition the same, now that the Biden administration has awarded student loan forgiveness.
It all depends on what you are majoring in. I am a physics teacher and value my physics degree as well as my postgraduate teaching credential. But there are definitely many useless degrees out there, sometimes a lucrative 2 year vocational degree proves far more useful than a bachelor's degree in something useless.
Nick Crompton ruins everything
but his collars stay poppin.
next time on ARE: "Why England is not a city"
Adam Poirrier yes I can rap but no I'm not from Compton
RUclips is my city, subscriber's get litty.
Adam Poirrier doesn't he do that already
Instead of ranking schools, the focus should be in job placement, and employer satisfaction with graduates.
But then people will see that many studies are pointless
Not necessarily, some degrees are important but not job oriented, like philosophy, a degree in physics or some like these are not job oriented so basing college on these graduate's job performance would tell you nothing about the college program itself. Eg. A programmers job performance won't tell you much about physics program in his college.
@@TheRitesh41 but that's the larger problem, that it's taken for granted a college education is important, but by subsidizing education, there has been the creation of credential inflation, which increases education needed for signaling, instead of learning skills essential to the workplace.
@@brettknoss486 i am sorry, maybe I am dumb, can you explain what do you mean by"a degree needed for signaling? "And by credential inflation you mean rise in over all credit because of student loans in the us?
@@TheRitesh41 credental inflation means that higher credentials are required for the same work, while social signaling refers to something that is done to improve social standing. One theory for the growth of education is that students competing for jobs, obtain higher education to signsl better ability to work, and that if education was not subsidized only the rich could afford education, so education would not reliably dignal intelligence or conformity.
Its weird how I just started college today, and the video just came out
Ginger in a Jacket maybe it's a sign
That's early
Ginger in a Jacket I started yesterday
I'm starting tomorrow I think I'm not sure I'll go check
Actually it's not. I can make a video titled, "Your brithday is TODAY!!!", and the entire comments section will consist of people wondering how did I know.
Do one on why college degrees are becoming more expensive but worth less
As autodidacts already know, college is not necessary to learn.
As any community college graduate knows, there is no limit to what a curious mind can learn.
But as only Ivy League grads know, the personal connections made at an Ivy League university can sustain a life of wealth and privilege.
Craig Hoyer well said. However, it is harder teach yourself as much material as someone who is under the pressure of making a grade.
Most Billionaires didn't use anything they learned at college/University to get where they are....Just shows how useful it is.
Thanks mrburns805 I forget that most of my university study was as a middle aged man. I knew more at 47 than I knew at 18 or 25, and consequently knew how to learn a little better. I always felt my advantage until I studied vector calculus, then I wished I was young again. My ex-wife taught herself how to value houses by going out to value houses for fun. With no college, she became the assessor's valuation defender in county board hearings. Inspiration is the key to anything, and tuition is very inspirational. I guess its "follow your bliss." Learn to like learning early.
Sean Bailey you're not most billionaires. All it takes is luck, but the more education you have, the more opportunities you have at getting lucky
Never said i was a billionaire, but my point still stands, bill gates never even finished uni, neither did his start up partner, they just saw a gap in the market and started a buisness.
Adam, please ruin me.
Adam ruins Bear Arms. Sounds not right.
Smartphone Phone I think he was talking about guns? But all I think he can say is the fact if we banned guns their will still be guns.
Jesus, people, you ruined me and my nickname instead of Adam. I wanted one on one intimacy and you made it a group thing.
Now I feel all used and yucky :(
That sounds sexual...
ew
It is the same situation with those "Best Place to Work" rankings. The rankings are based on information provided by company managers There are no objective measurements being done.
Im not even american.
Why am i whatching this?
Addiction.
No, seriously, RUclips is designed to act like a drug.
Bear Arms adam ruins youtube?
Because there are also rankings about universities all around the globe
University rankings are done for unis all around the world. The Shanghai ranking just came out for this year and despite being slightly less garbage than other rankings, it is still a pile of horseshit. These rankings do very little in terms of judging the quality of education. The Shanghai ranking, in order to judge quality of education, looks at the alumni having earned Nobel prizes and Fields medals (counts for 10% of the score). That is not very useful for students and employers wanting to know the quality of an institution, yet most people still seem to trust the Shanghai ranking.
What about the QS ranking? You can customise the QS formula to get the ranking that suits your need.
Here's how these algorithms work: They already have a preconceived notion on the rankings, they just rework the percentages until the numbers add up to those pre-determined ranks.
is there somewhere I can find the full episodes? I cant find it anywhere on youtube
Kareena Henry thanks!
Lol this was filmed in Hanover in the Dartmouth Bookstore :D
Orkan Sezer How ironic
Chase J enlighten me
The university I went to eliminated the deans since it only had three and they were largely a title and not a real job for the previous couple decades after the university decided to make the chancellor more easily accessible to students. After about 5 years the school's ranking dropped a few spots even though it was getting better and looked into why. They found out some ranking systems randomly ask deans if they have heard of a particular university and one way to boost that is to have deans who go to conferences for deans so they brought back all three of the dean positions and their official job is basically acting as PR to other universities and companies to get the name out there. The deans are rarely on campus and the actual hierarchy didn't really change they were just inserted alongside existing positions.
Agree. Presidents of universities and colleges are just highly paid bobble heads. When it comes to the day-to-day, the provost matters more. It saddens me to see so many deans at a school. It has gotten worse, as more schools embrace the virtue-signal programs. Each program comes with its own Dean.
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You're supposed to say nice
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Weddings are just funerals with cake.
i want to strangle rick
There are three kinds of statements: positive, normative, and moral. No amount of positive statements can lead to conclude a normative statement.
Would it be possible to do a “Ruins Everything” episode about the truth regarding the acceptance to Ivy League Schools - it has been a problem for low income people to get into these exclusive schools for years, but it seems that if one is wealthy or well-connected it is almost never a problem to get into a college like Harvard, Cornell, Brown, Duke, Princeton, or other higher end universities. I was wondering if you would like to do an episode about elite and exclusive schools and how factors like wealth and connections really make the difference, not necessarily how smart a student is.
do it on race. there are millions of poor blacks that get into these colleges for nothing other than their race
So true
My school is so obsessed with school rankings that most students are unable to take necessary classes because smaller classes look better on rankings
It's so stupid: universities in my country are usually at something like place 100 or 200 on these international lists (there are just very many colleges in the world).
And they'll still act like it's meaningful when they go up 10 places or some such, when it's just normal reshuffeling that'll always happen on a long list
This guy looks like Shaggy from scooby doo.
Now with 0.069% of power
I knew this long before this video even came out. I chose a college based on the program curriculum and Affordability/Accessibility. Which should be the only factors you chose colleges on, not some listing made by an editor.
My college was one of the top drinking/party colleges all 5 years I was there.... that still counts right?
How often do we question the criteria of rankings?
In america, everything is a lie.
Michael Nilson, not if he said it outside of America
Pfff... I'm not from the US.
And in Soviet Russia , everything is true!
In Soviet Russia, lie is everything and true is Soviet.
the swagmasterman23 In Soviet Russia, the truth tells you.
Anyone notice the "it's always sunny" music at the beginning?
I'm glad they're posting this because I am apply to college soon.
69 being too silly has become a running gag.
The international ranking is very important, and they invest a lot of time and money to do better. That's a good thing for students. My school was quick to drop under performing professors, invested in new systems and facilities. We jumped in the ranking last year because of completely overhauling the lab systems, a few years back.
The ranking system generally works and makes it better for students, soon we will be getting new buildings and increased work spaces. I've already passed out and won't avail those facilities, I know I can visit almost every capital city and find an office, where talks and discussions are help regularly for Alumni.
Here is the thing due to what you said about higher ranked colleges getting more grants, and donations the rankings are still important in choosing the right school to go to, because the best funded schools often have a higher quality of education (or at least have the easiest time providing) .
lol i worked at my university's phonathon for a year, so i knew a little about this because they said several times that the reason they would ask for alumni donations was so that our school could maybe jump a couple places to the top 10
that guy on the phone I think the same from the Series of Unfortunate Events the tv show
What about ratings for a specific field of study ? like top cs schools, top engineering schools, top math schools, top physics schools? is it the same thing?
I've been waiting for this episode since this show started!!
Interesting how everything I've tried researching since 7th grade was just shattered in a two minute video.
I really wish I had known this back when I was applying to universities. Oh well, maybe the class of 2018 will know better and the knowledge will effect positive change.
How comes? Did you go to a top uni?
Was that the end of the video, or was it just where the editors cut the video?
"It's good right, it's a free market" lemme stop you right there.
Out of highschool, I was looking at big name universities for my degree. Now that I'm older and going back, I go wherever is close by and cheap.
There's Ithamar, my mom's good friend from improv class!
Many college rankings are so inconsistent. Forbes ranked Georgia Tech at #81, UT Austin at #91, and Duke University at #8...wtf??!
There's one ranking I like: Call it the ADJUSTED ROI:
... Step 1: Take the median income of a graduate of said school for their 5th year after graduation. Step 2: Subtract from this what you would have made the same year anyway ... Subtract the current median income of a student when they started school if already at the peak of their career without the effect of the degree (usually only applies to grad schools and adult degree programs), otherwise subtract about 75k, the estimated median income of someone like a lead first line management level skilled tradesman (supervisory level electrician for example), car dealership general manager, police detective / police chief / fire chief / degree-less senior government administrator, degree-less network engineer, auctioneer, upper middle performing realtor, small business owner, etc, ... the jobs and pay grade that someone who made the cut to get in a good state university but decided against college would usually end up with by default about 10 years after graduating from high school (about the same age as someone who finished college about 5 years ago). Step 3: Multiply that number by 10 (this component of the index is the median 10 year salary difference attributable to going to that school. Lastly, divide that total gain by the total cost of attendance which is the sum of all tuition you paid, books, interest on student loans, PLUS foregone income from not working an associate level / starter job for 5 years; Go with the greater of 45k OR the median income of a student before they started school at said school). This is the ADJUSTED ROI. That ranking tells you what an 'average' education at that school is WORTH. If this number is 0 or negative, the 'university' is a diploma mill (nearly all public 'universities' come out to be diploma mills). It brings to light, the sad reality that the only universities that actually are universities are the original ones (Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, etc and maybe like 5 public universities that marginally make the cut). Those of us who couldn't afford to go to one or live in a state that doesn't have a public school that is a real university, we got $100,000 in debt for not.... Unless you became a surgeon or a neurologist or a VP of a decent company.
Second "69 is too silly for me" joke in a row.
I'm baffled about the endless supply of greed that runs - or at least shapes - the world.
why all these short versions that obviously cut off
The guy in the us news hat, isn't he the guy who played hector in a series of unfortunate events?
Now there are ranking for high school & lower.
My school has the highest return on investment in our state. We are low on US News and World Report. Whatever ranking system they use doesn't take into account the most important things
really making me hopeful for my future, Adam
Please do one on medical school rankings
Can you please do something like “Why Cancer isn’t being cured” or “Curing cancer is coming close(or far away)”
Best Awesome He explains it in the labrat video
is that its always sunny music
Next ruin college football rankings!
Already ruined by Auburn and Wisconsin.
(WATCH Alabama STILL make the CFP).
DaComebakKid update bama wins championship in all SEC championship against an overrated georgia team that choked
Adam ruins sports... All games are fixed.
Thank you so much, Adam!
What you have described here, is not so different in the rating systems of stocks and economy ratings. Sadly!
I find it funny that this came out 3 days before I go back to college... Only 2 months before I'll see my friends and family in person. I am NOT mentally prepared for that again. Smiling on the outside, curled into an anxiety filled ball on the inside. :D
How about we have a ranking system that we pick ourselves? Dude everything is a lie it seems : (.
What would that entail?
Also, gosh I love this show! I wish that I had acting skills so I could be one of the characters
@Adam great find man can u go deeper into what kind of lies schools say to keep rankings? Is applying to the number 100th most prestigious college or university just the same as applying to one of the top 20? applying
Yaaa... He didn't explain the competition part. A long list of coincidences made a rumor that he was sent by the Portuguese court (the competition) to trick the Spanish court that was India...
hey
that's the "its always sunny" intro
only reason trutv is still on my cable package tbh
"Enjoy your lame bookstore... failures!"
I would appreciated more specific examples of lying and cheating, and a comparison of post-grad earnings of people with the same HS GPAs but whatever.
Of all the ARE clips I’ve watched, this is the first thing I’ve actually fallen for, at least partially
that's 100% true ,even world universities rankings are alike ,some universities deserve to be in the top but due to unknown reasons they are not mentioned in the top 100 of political ranking system
Be like me, and judge colleges entirely on the tallest point on campus.
I didn't know this but I did kind of suspect it.
"Have fun with your lame bookstore!"
Well, I bet that bookstore's books are cheaper.
Haha my school did this. They gave us the answer sheet lmao. I remember placing the answers in the folds of my skirt.
I have some terrible news...
You have...
BUG EYES!
ugh hate that ad.
It's also super messed up she (a medical professional) would start a sentence like that.
Josh Halls because their bug eyes.
Yeah, and what town are they talking about? The picture is just of some weird eyeball tree thing growing out the kid's head.
HI I'M ANTS IN MY EYES JOHNSON, HERE AT ANTS IN MY EYES JOHNSON ELECTRONICS
crazymusicalgoof7, I think you have something in your eye...
One of the Csl campuses hired a PR firm to improve their image.
I once had to buy a $120 crim textbook and the professor would not give me an alternative
I love the Flyknit joke!!!
This is why I am going to get as far as I can with education and degrees in community college.
You will go far. CCs provide the most return on your investment. For example, many RNs do not realize until it is too late, but the pay is the same with an ADN as it is with a BSN. Hospitals and clinics pay per job duties, not education. New Nurse Grads learn that having that BSN from a top ranked university or university with a good football team does not warrant a higher salary. The BSN and MSN only come in handy when you want to be in management, teaching, or advanced practice i.e.: nurse anesthetist. Same thing in the tech world. I have seen recent CC grads with an Associate's degree in Information Sciences, and a certificate in cyber security be immediately hired in the private/govt. sectors making a minimum of 60k. I am going to piss off some virtuous people, but, this is what I have seen, graduates from universities with degrees in gender studies, and theatre, live in their parents' garages, and work at Target, with a huge ball and chain on their leg called student loans. I do not feel sorry for their position, I feel sorry they put themselves in that position. Parents need to be more assertive on this, IMO.
Some of the things in the rankings are important things that the school should be judged on, like freshmen retention rate and graduation rate
can someone tell me why they keep ending so short?
My high school does this, they pretended to support my robotics team by hiring a robotics "teacher" who he himself told me he has no engineering experience and only has carpentry contracting experience. In fact he told I probably know more about robotics than he does. My school is rude to my team and corrupt, they take money "left over" from team's finances and forced my team to go to a liberal arts high school to build and they don't even give us a dollar. You'd think that once we got a sponsorship from nasa they'd support us more but nope, they tried to take possession of our robot (we needed for some parts) and tried to take our awards for their display. Instead we gave the duplicates we were given of some of our awards to the mayor since he helped us and put the others at the liberal arts school since they helped us and still do. Sadly well probably never be allowed to build at my school and will probably never be allowed to even wear our medals during graduation.
thanks for the work. quick question, does your research also support the same conclusion when it comes to High School rankings in Newsweek or the Washington post? Cheers!
Yup my college lied to me about a major
I always prefer the live action ARE's to the cartoon ones.
I feel conflicted. On the one hand, this make me feel better about having graduated from an obscure university. On the other hand, it makes me ask: Where do you draw the line between freedom of speech and false-advertising?
O:38 -Why do I have a feeling that this is exactly how the schools are ranked? Complete with the schools calling them "Haters."😅😂
Why does the video stop like that? Is that seriously the end of the video? It seems like there should be more to it.
1:56 Not going to elaborate further on that? Okay...
This is just a clip from the full episode. Watch the full episode to see him elaborate.
Yeah.. I really feel that... I'm a student at berkeley right now. As good a school as berkeley is, we are only ranked 20 by US news. I mean... we are like top ten on every other international rankings.
Tucson Jim I think Adam is mainly focusing on US news national university ranking as he started we a guy picking up a us news ranking book and subsequently analyzed us news' ranking criteria. He did not mention any other rankings being crooked though. Moreover when I was applying for college us news was the ranking that the majority of people base their judgements on. I compare us news to other rankings as an act of agreeing with Adams video. I'm not saying that every other rankings are right or not crooked, just that ucb does well on every other rankings but not us news seems odd.
Yeah, internationnal rankings are okay, they don't reflect everything but give a good overview.
Contrary to popular belief, there's a difference between a small partly funded university, and a world ranking university, in terms of teachers, avaiable research, funding, opportunity and so on....
Then what should i do? Should i go to a lower ranked college or something which won't fake or lie and educate me in a true sence?
Why don't they just place the importance of graduates that have jobs and the employers who are satisfied with the training that the graduate has. If only 10% of graduates at one school has a job in their field and employers who did hire a graduate form this University gave them a low score then that's a good indication that it's not a good school.
If another school has 90% of graduates with a career in the field that they majored in(bonus points if another 50% of students didn't even graduate and still have a career in their field of study) and employers all said that the graduates have had adequate training then that means it's a very good school.
That's literally the ONLY thing that matters yet that factor is completely overlooked when regarding the quality and prestige of a school.
Are punctuation rules fluid as well?
I was expecting some examples of how the schools lie, and then the video just ended.
What do you feel about ROI's? Compared to going to a cheap college and just moving away after you graduate?
I feel like a good cheap, non profit, college, with a decent number of professors with a high rank my professor rating.
A popular vote what a shocker
1:17 Nice
My dad works for a uni as a rankings whateverthefuck. His job is all about optimising the unis data to improve their ranking results. As far as I can tell, it's mostly about the researchers and how successful their papers are. Citations are pretty important. This is in Australia though.
1:37 it made me laugh when she said 'failures'. She sounds like Asian parent scolding her kids.
I would buy thay book. does it come with adam?
Adam, do an episode about why having a degree won't guarantee you a job anymore, since the market is over saturated with college grads.