The fact that the 'live' performance is more spot-on grid than the original studio performance is just insane. Anyone who thinks this is OK is out of their mind.
This practice or "fixing" the voices of iconic singers reminds me of the infamous painting restorations where someone incompetent takes an antique oil painting and "cleans it up" to look like a grade-schooler's artwork.
@@patrickjordan2233 It’s a good analogy, yes, but that is extremely rare. By and large painting restorations - especially those from well-known artists - are done by highly-qualified fine art conservators and the results are usually striking.
I wonder if the record labels (who hire the producers) are doing this more and more so that we'll accept robotic singing and pitch correction artifacts as normal, so that artificially generated voices will come to seem normal, too. I hear similar artifacts in AI voices as with pitch corrected human voices. It's more severe with fake voices, but a similar type of artifact.
I cannot believe how they are ruining these phenomenal artists voices for some sort of selfish gain! This needs to stop. Thank you for opening our eyes to this basterdized version.
They do it with classic albums as well! If you buy a new CD of say Sgt Peppers they have pitch corrected the vocals! When you compare it to a original copy you can hear it so easily.
@@sarahm.5356, It doesn’t make sense to me. It’s less expensive to release an anniversary album (or any releases after the original) if you don’t hire an engineer to mess with the sound.
😳 Oh. Have mercy! I love Bryan Adams, but I did not even recognize his voice even though I have his CDs. The unique expressions he always has, is gone. I am saddened to learn this, Fil!
I don’t know Fil. I hate being “old” but at least I grew up hearing The Eagles, Boston, AC/DC (with Bon) The Allman’s, Floyd etc…b4 this existed. I am grateful for that. Keep up the fight! 🫡❤️
@@a9ball1 I think it’s a money talks thing. Would have to find a way to only buy non compressed/OEM art . Pretty sure there is a bunch of morons justifying their job by “ improving the catalog “ and taking out all the brush strokes. Idiots.
I agree. I hope someone will hear a cry out, if not from us, then from the musicians/artists who have put two and two together and have gotten fed up with pitch correction and auto tune. The lead singer of the band Little Dragon had stated that she made the rule of not using auto tune or pitch correction a priority. From what I’ve heard, it sounds like the band keeps true to this rule. Yet the “veterans” seem to either allow the manipulation-maybe because the record companies have the authority or they don’t mind themselves. Or perhaps they’re not aware. If it’s the latter, my hope is that it will cause a stink and then goodbye auto tune and pitch correction. Somehow I think people get too enamored with modern technology to the point where it makes things worse.
Fil, what a sad thing to hear! Our iconic vocalists' voices are systematically being taken from us! I hope and pray this pitch correction and other manipulation of music can someway be stopped. His true voice is beautiful! What a sinful shame to do this! Thanks for this analysis video, Fil! 🎶💜
@@wout123100 ... Absolutely! I was fortunate enough to have the entire collection of music I will ever want, for many years now. In the last 10 of those years, I began seeking out remasters that, in most cases, were an improvement, but NOT a manipulation voices. Sadly, there were many who simply turned up the volume / gain and created sometimes more than 2db of clipping. I just kept my original releases and I will always have them. PS> 🐈pair of bonk's for the both of you 🐱
@@veramilton833 ... NICE! 💪 Many years ago, I purchased a small audio converter to run my turn-table directly into my USB of my PC. I was able to get ALL of my vinyl 45's and records onto my drive, for those that were never or not yet released on to CD's. I have 100% of my music all backed up on the original CD's and / or onto hard drives, so I will never lose any of it. . 🎶= life
9:05 the saddest thing is that when you hear and see what the original line was, the microtonality is a clearly intentional blues lick that got edited out.
Legally, all tracks that have been "Pitch Corrected" should state this and it must be printed clearly on all webstores, and music platforms. Those that haven't, can boldly claim that they have the original natural voice of the performer and receive the plaudits and sales that will definitely come their way.
You never get the "original, natural voice" when recording...the technology has never been there. Birgit Nilsson despaired at how history would remember her, as no recording could capture the golden glow that accompanied her most powerful notes, the combination of which elevated her above singers who merely had one or the other. She eventually interpreted characters differently for the nights she knew the tapes were rolling, so that if the golden tone could not be captured, she would build around her Cords of Steel. This disparity affected all singers to various degrees. Caruso had a number of notable contemporaries; he is remembered both for his charisma but also that his voice meshed better with the recording technology of the day. Sometimes a recording has to be processed so it more closely resembles the live sound.
When production companies do this, it's like color correcting the Mona Lisa to 256 colors. Here, you get about 20 different greens and 20 different Blues to play with. Never mind the thousands of shades in between.
Hmmmm. Well AI (etc)type lovers…THINK about it. Why do we need real life musicians then?? If these type of things are fixed and done by computers etc…that is not a gift. It is but a toy. It is not a true ART FORM. It might be interesting but it will be robbing us of our human being-ness. Stealing from us our true ability to create. To be true. It makes me compare it to the computer and our cell phones and tablets. Hey they are wonderful yes I am not saying they aren’t. And as much as they make some things easier but at the same time…I remember when in my life my mind could remember phone numbers and the like. Sure great I can just pull that up on my cell convenient sure. Or pull up the calculator to do a simpler mathematic problem. You don’t have to go to a library( remember those?) to do some research on a subject. Sure it is convenient. I am sure there are other examples…but I feel like the process of all of the technical improvements is “teaching us how not to learn”. That is my opinion and I feel it is accurate.
"The real music is between the lines." That applies to both pitch and rhythm. There is no groove if the instruments are quantized to the lines. There is no feeling when the pitches are dragged to "perfection". What would the great jazz musicians sound like if they were pitch corrected? Ella, Nina, Billie, Dinah, and Miles, Coltrane, Getz...
Totally agree. And I get confused as to why a perfectly tuned orchestra, or even just a piano or guitar, can bring about strong emotion. With a human, it's robotic.
@@_whatsername1911 If you take the sound of any of your favorite musical instruments (with a few digital exceptions) and force the sound to be completely flat on the line, you have also lost expression. Guitars obviously have slight string bends. Even a piano tone will drift slightly in pitch from a hard hit on the key until the tone rings out. If that sound is processed, it will sound less like a real guitar or piano, and more like a primitive synth sound that is supposed to be a guitar or piano. Primitive synth sounds are cool, who doesn't like a good Moog, but it will sound more.... robotic!
Yep, I've used the quantize analogy many times when likening to pitch correction. In the quest for "precision", it strips away all swing and movement. Why bother have human beings play or sing if you're just going to force the notes to a fixed grid?
so basically the old vinyl records before the pitch correction was introduced, have a huge musical value today cause i guess only there we can hear how the artists exactly sounds. oh man i wish they'd never discover pitch correction and auto tune. as always, great work Fil. thank you!
@@elizabethmiller7291As long as people buy them, I think they will keep making them. I'm more worried about our records and CDs breaking! And they'll be no replacements.
Pitch correction is as old as tape, just that in the Boomer years it had to be done by splicing different takes or manipulating tape speed. Effects like reverb and chorus go way back too. If you want to hear how an artist really sounds, you need to be in the same room with him.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee I'm not sure why you wish to minimize or de-emphasize the insidious impact that the use nowadays of manual digital pitch changing/automatic tuning of great singers' voices has on a real music lovers' listening pleasure and enjoyment but this is a big freakin' deal and not at all comparable to how pitch was altered and effects added to a singer's voice decades ago.
"And now, to cleanse our ears, heres the original-" Couldn't agree more Fil. The robotic nature of the 'corrected' version needs scrubbed from my brain!
Why is Bryan not screaming from a mountain top in his beloved British Columbia about this destruction of his voice? How is it possible that he may not know that this is happening!!!??? I've brought this sort of thing up on his official facebook page and no one in charge of that site wants to touch it with a ten foot pole as is the usual reaction or non-reaction I get whenever I try to broach this subject on any music related facebook page.
Thank you Fill, it is so important to tell everyone what is really happening with these "live" performances or the remastered versions. You are a brilliant and extraordinary knowledgeable musician as well as an excellent singer and guitar player. All the best from Porto.
great question! I wonder if Fil is getting any comment from any of these artists (short of that vocal coach that made a fool out of himself!) or their management company?
There is a slight chance they don´t know unless they have listened to their own live recording or received comments about it. It´s more likely that they don know, but their contract with the record company leaves them no power of the reproduction of live performances that the record company releases. The artist might be too embarrassed to speak out about it, and/ or he/she has received a gag order from the company.
One of the things that makes us human is that we each have a voice - unique in tone and quality, able to impart both meaning and feeling. Turning voices into machines destroys that humanity. I feel your frustration, Fil. I’m sure each of us does. Keep shining your light!
@@kallsop2 did you ? Or were they lip syncing back then ? ( this is not calling you out , but Fill is making me question everything I know about “ live consents “
@@milestonowheres I will say it was live then because you could hear if the singers voice was off that night. A good example was a Kansas concert in 1981 with Steve Walsh dealing with the flu. When it came to some of the high notes he couldn't quite hit them and apologized to the crowd for not being at his best. When I saw Bryan Adams in '82 he only had one album out and was working on Cuts Like A Knife and they tried out three songs for the album so there weren't any real tracks cut for it yet. Also while they used echo/reverb/delay for vocals in the studio that was missing in a live performance.
Before he was famous, Brian used to drop by my studio in N. Vancouver, B.C. By the way, Fil, excellent analysis, and perhaps it explains why you may be destined to be an independent. You truly are an educator and are well-informed. Anyone today who knows about Lenny Breau, indeed, has a passion for guitar. Keep up the good work.
You must have a story or two that you could relate here ... we'd be grateful! Bryan - along with Jim Vallance, of course - are a big part of my favourite band from Vancouver and, indeed, from anywhere. :)
Hello Fil! Some time ago I read in a comment that you were on a "crusade". I liked this expression because you really are devoting yourself to your cause with all due seriousness. Keep up the good work! I hope you don't meet the fate of the knight of the cross Richard the Lionheart.
Can you imagine if they started pitch “correcting” blues guitarists’ guitar solos/licks? They probably already have, but if not, that’s where we’re heading very soon.
I don't know if this can be stopped. But the releases should be labeled as "pitch-corrected." Maybe if that is done, consumers will vote with their dollars. Or maybe the current generation doesn't care?
Current generation don't care. Why would they? Everything is fake nowadays, pics, movies, food, news, bodyparts... Why should music make an exception? Industry sells it, people buy it.
we can make the industry to label whether it is pitch corrected, what kind of recording equipment is ued and who is the editor due to consumer right and what sort of modification is used, however it wont solve the problem they will keep pitch correcting it. Becasue it appeals to low fi community where most cash is cash not audiofools. The only way is not buying or returning it and praises good editor to creat peer pressure and need the someone release the original version to educate the masses. Billy joel was disgusted on his cold spring harbour album which was frankesteined by the editors twice, (1 oroigianl and 1 re-released) and he gave up at the end. But the album still sell, so there are no arguments to make the publisher redact their releases.
Perhaps the current generation have heard too many robotic recordings and have been dumbed down. If so, this is a worry. All the more reason Fil's videos are so important to inform more people.
Considering there are plenty of us older generations around, and we care, I agree that it should be labeled. And I know my kids appreciate bands from my generation that Fil has highlighted in these videos. So yeah, they care. I just don’t think they know.
Thanks Fil, you make a great point, WHY are so many great voices being destroyed by autotune or pitch correction! These people can sing! I dearly wish they would see your videos and rise up and revolt!
A frew years ago I was listening to some of my favorite songs when my youngest daughter said "Boy this music sounds so old". I really didn't think about it and figured she meant there was no synth or artificial instrument sounds. But just recently she said it again about Simon and Garfunkle. But this time I asked what she meant and she explained that the voices sounded odd to her ear. We talked a while and I figured out that she has been trained to listen for the processing sound of pitch correction and she associates that mechanical burr with "good" modern music. But without it she thinks the sound is antiquated and doesn't like it.
I think Bryan Adams is a great example of a really distinctive voice, that we used to have and love dearly back in the day, and we just don't have in the music industry anymore. And here we see why, they have managed to make his voice much less distinctive with the pitch correction. It sounds like a Bryan Adams tribute band.
When an audience pays to see a live performance and gets a pitch-corrected mime it’s like sitting down for one of Mom’s home cooked meals and she hands you a Twinkie.
I have been singing for about 37 - 40 years now and I've never used pitch correction i only use reverb and echo to the minimum level and I have always been doing songs with the same passion as the original singer and the same way the song was created
Was assuming the worst of my beloved Bryan Adams and felt a lot better at around the 7:35 mark. The post-production stuff is appalling to be sure, but finding out one of my favorite artists is using autotune live as their regular routine is something else entirely for me. Glad that’s not the case here. Cheers Fil.
Thanks for this analysis, even though it makes me sad. I think I have been one of the ones who requested an analysis of Bryan Adams. It is just sad to see how much of his expression was taken away. I have just seen Bryan Adams live in concert last Saturday, and he sounded awesome. I have actually been to Royal Albert Hall when he performed that song, and it sounded so good live! We may have some crowd footage if you like for comparison.
Agreed, but unfortunately that will never happen because the majority of singers today are more about image than virtually anything else. The quality of their voice matters little, as it can be “corrected.” 😒 And that’s reflected, perhaps, by the fact that most vocalist today sound eerily similar.
Some of the best TV performances, at least in the US, in the past was the times the bands really performed live. Really a pleasure to watch some of these on RUclips.
@wingsofpegasus I wonder what would happen if you were to contact Bryan Adams & show him that someone is doung this? I suppose he could tell you to 'F off'....or he might go, "They are doing WHAT? Thank you for telling me, I am gonna see that some heads will roll!" It's kinda gonna take something like that to reverse the tide of melodyne. What would happen if all the artists who havent given permission to pitch correct/autotune their vocals were to launch a giant class action lawsuit? Or just see that the producers & engineers who make such reprehensible decisions never work again? _Something_ has to change. Thisis way too rampant now.
I would love to see BA collaborate with Fil on this issue. If there is one Canadian artist who be a great asset to have on board with Fil's impending side project, it would be Bryan Adams.
Back in the days of cassettes and then onto CD''s, I most certainly "accidentally" spilled an entire gallon of Super Glue on quite a few of them 😸 Probably my first, was AC/DC "Powerage". So sad to see that so much of music that I grew up hearing, is not seen as "not good enough" as it was originally created😭
I can confirm that way back in 1984 Nigel Tufnel, David St. Hubbins, and Derek Smalls ALL signed an agreement that none of their original master tapes nor live recordings of any kind were to be pitch corrected in any way UNLESS they were played backwards. This document was signed in perpetuity. They were true pioneers and their legacy remains untarnished to this very day.
They've signed to the big ones ... here we go. BTW I believe, one of Mr. Adam's first recordings was made into a disco track ... correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, that continues to be a sore spot. Not for me but for BA! :) Still, not at all about what is currently happening with regard to the pervasive use of pitch-"correction" and autotune as the current music industry standard, though.
This is the reason I'll never get rid of my old albums and CD's. I know there were studio tricks then as well, but this is something that I would never listen to. I'm sure there are great singers in the world, unfortunately most will never be heard. Why bother having a human with vocal cords, just put words in a computer and have the voice processed.... Sigh.
Indeed. And, another really sad impact here could be that, in the future, really great, naturally pitch accurate singers or singers that put the time and effort into becoming pitch-accurate will no longer emerge and all (real) music lovers will be left with are robotic, unnatural voices that have had the life sucked out of them. Hope I don't live to see that come to pass but I really feel for the future generations of music lovers.
Computers don't have charisma. Be a woman a girl wants to be, or a boy a girl wants to be with, and with a modest amount of talent let the production do the rest.
One point we can say about miming on shows... the logistics of setting up a band and getting it to sound really good on a show can just be too much for one or two songs. This is one reason why you see a lot of miming and false bands on shows. They just can't set up that much equipment to replicate what they did on the records. BUT... otoh.... with so much being digitized and shrunk these days, amps don't have to be walls of Marshall stacks. You can literally get huge Marshall tones in stomp boxes (Tonex?) these days so setting up a band wouldn't be a total nightmare. Miking the drums would be a pain still. And handling stage volumes and in-ear monitoring... just a ton of work. BUT if you just show up and pretend, hey, you're done and the sound and performance is always gold.
The less that can go wrong the better. That is why most shows required miming. You can also up the showmanship when hitting the right notes is no longer necessary.
"Just to cleanse our ears". Love it. Thanks for caring about keeping music real. What do these artists who made their best albums without correction feel about their voices being manipulated? Would be great if you could interview Adams or another victim.
Check out “let me take you dancing”. I think it was his first hit, but the producers sped up the tempo to make his voice higher and the song more danceable. He was pissed off and refuses to sing that song live.
Which makes me wonder why BA is letting this happen. He must know about it. I hope he isn't taking on the defeatist attitude of "it is what it is" ... a phrase that keeps popping up in ostensibly serious discussions about what can be done about the destructive course the music industry is on, especially with regard to the pervasive use of pitch "correction", auto-tuning and AI.
@Spo-Dee-O-Dee He's recently fully independent as the owner of his record company. Full creative control. Though after Fil's video, I suspect he'll dial back on the AutoTune on next year's 3 live albums
Fil I imagine it must seem to you like you're shouting into a void and no one is listening, but i assure you, WE ARE. Please keep calling out this abomination everywhere you encounter it ... true music fans everywhere SO appreciate you for doing it.
Further to my previous comment, a music platform could be created called "Raw Talent". This platform could get hold of the original studio and live performances and make a fortune streaming them.
You may be on to something. I was wondering out lout the other day and thinking how nice it would be to have a radio station(s) that just spins natural voices, from whatever era.
I'm glad I have a huge catalog of old pre-digital manipulation music. How much of the music on the various internet streaming services is altered after the original release? Are the old masters like Dave Van Ronk and Woody Guthrie going to be pitch corrected?
I think we have to assume that the use of pitch "correction" and autotuning and AI is pervasive across all digital platforms and radio stations and that even the old masters are not safe. Time for all of us real music lovers to start actually doing something to stop this and make our voices heard by the powers that be. I'm starting to visit record stores looking for cds of all my favourites from decades ago that were produced before this destructive practice became the music industry standard as it may be the only option we have to preserve the real music we love and cherish. I do have high hopes and expectations, though, for Fil's side project and the positive impacts it could have on all of this!
@@michelvanbriemen3459 A mimed live performance is still a live performance. And all you are promised is a performance. Sticking to the word "performance" has been lawyer-tested and judge-approved since (iirc) the day of the piano roll in a song and dance act.
The pitch correction was really bad on this one! 😕 As soon as I saw the first note on the screen I knew what Fil was going to say! Such a shame because Bryan has such a unique voice. It would be nice if they could just leave the live performances alone so the rest of us could experience the original version too!
Welp! Another one bites the dust! What a shame... Agree, sounds awful. But, I thank you for your honesty. Hopefully, something can be done about all of this going on!? Thanks Fil!🌷
Bryan never had a buzzzzzz to his voice, this is just such a shame. I have played in the RAH and can assure you the volume of the space wont make you in tune. Very interesting video 2x👍
I said elsewhere that these live albums were released on his own label, BADAMS. It increases the chances of him knowing about it. Thankfully, he's still singing great live
@@TheBrettWilson And, one of the best things I have found about going to see him live is that the crowd is always one thousand percent into it! Which makes the experience all the more fun and enjoyable.
I think the real problem isn't the artists, or record labels, or producers... the problem is us. Mainstream artists have a large and diverse fan base. Many "fans" are fans of the artists more than the songs. The songs become a product to sell the artist. These fans don't care about pitch correction or post production. They just want to listen to Bryan Adams songs that sound good, and the labels are giving them what they want. A great sounding product.
All I can say is I'm keeping all my OLD tapes/LP's because at least I'll have the "original" vocal. The madness by whoever is doing this has GOT TO STOP ! I don't want to say this was a good analysis because it's totally depressing at an iconic vocal being destroyed 😔 But I feel your pain.
I knew Bryan when we were teenagers, still in high school. I remember how thrilled he was to be asked to take over as frontman for Sweeney Todd after Nick Gilder went solo. I also remember how horrified and upset he was when the producer of his first ever single sped up his voice to make him sound more like a girl. The song keeps appearing on RUclips before quickly disappearing, titled Let Me Take You Dancing. The Bryan I knew would be appalled that anyone would be altering his voice after that occasion. For me, his best years were when he was writing in tandem with Jim Vallance, for his own releases and for others. But even with his later stuff, like this one, I cannot conceive of him agreeing to this. Mind you, we were teenagers and so much can happen in the ensuing almost 50 years.
You need to request something that You believe to have been manipulated with pitch correction. Rather than Fil going through hours of Motown classics trying to find one. Let's hope that You don't find anything that's been butchered ;-)
Fil always points out that great singers still sound pleasant without backing instruments. In the same situation, a heavily pitch corrected vocal sounds irritating, no matter who is singing. I want to hear a human, not a computer.
I saw him in concert in Canada pre Covid. He is a true entertainer! It was such a good concert. He started it by saying, « Hi, my name is Bryan and I’m here to sing for you. » I think that it was the last concert that I went to. After watching your videos and with the increase in ticket prices, I’m not sure that I will be going to the concerts of any « big name » artists anymore.
This is an Orwellian nightmare come true. Big Brother now controls (owns) another piece of our soul. If you still have your library of original vinyl (or tape) hang on to it. Lead vocals and harmonies have now been auto tuned and pitch corrected. The damage has been done and only if the music industry decides to release the original unaltered recordings will future generations ever be able to hear the amazing artistic talent in these original recordings. I wonder where this decision is coming from? Is this being done by higher ups within the music industry itself? Or by someone at the local level within each separate record label? Someone with the authority to make such a major decision to then go in and alter all these great old original recordings. Either way, the end result is they will reissue them as "Remastered". Of course it boosts the bottom line reporting it as "New" sales. I believe this is the sad but true story, Fil has uncovered.
Wow. Great breakdown. Great ears! Its so sad to me they kerp doing this correction & auto tune. Im so happy there is someone like you to raise the warning flags!!
Great work Fil 👏👏👏 What I still haven't got..... do singers use autotune when they perform live when the livestream is broadcasted? Bc I know a singer (who I really like) who I heard live in the venue. He missed at least 80% of the notes, not a bit but very much, you can't not hear it. Massively flat through all the songs. You hear it also in videos taken by the audience. And I saw an officially streamed live concert where he hit every single note. So they could have autotuned his live vocals? Would be really sick. 😂
One of the best double albums ever released was Four Way Street by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young which has them tuning as they start playing a song. Priceless, yet would not appear on today's releases.
Funny. At 4:50 I thought you said, "Here is your vomit from the other night..." when, in fact, you said "your performance..." I think the first way I heard it is more than accurate.
I've just started watching your channel, and I think it would be good if you showed what an uncorrected voice looks like in the software. Also, you should probably list the software you use in the video description. EDIT: Oh I just got to that part of the video.
Take a look at some of Fil's analysis videos that actually DO just what you are asking ... analyzing an unedited by pitch-"correction" natural voice. It is a truly wondrous sight to see a great artist's beautiful natural voice in waveforms! And, welcome to an awesome RUclips channel! :)
Fil, I went along to see Crowded House in Glasgow last week and I suspect a touch of auto tune being used. Would you have a listen to some of the RUclips clips to confirm. I never thought Neil Finn would need it but it looks like everyone is at it.
Bye the way, Bryan Adams in the eighties was untouchable vocally. This just another sad example you’ve highlighted of the greatest singers voices being ruined by the technology.
I have seen Bryan Adams many times. First time was in 1995. He can hit these notes and sounds amazing live. Why are they doing this to him!! Or why is he letting it happen.
This is terrible. I don't blame Bryan. I have seen him live and un-altered and his voice and stage Prescence are amazing. Thank you Fil. We love your work and objectivity
Music = a universal language _of emotion_ and that emoting is often dependent on subtle inflections, particularly in singer's voices. Changing those voices so they're robotically precise makes them ... robotic. Maybe that's the general idea?
Within the first few notes you can hear the clipped /awful pitch correction - this makes me so sad, I hate the modern music industry for killing the art of singing 🙁
The fact that the 'live' performance is more spot-on grid than the original studio performance is just insane. Anyone who thinks this is OK is out of their mind.
The question is, do they have a mind, when it comes to things like this (a totally rhetorical question by the way with a heavy dose of sarcasm).
All those old records, tapes and CDs I own feel increasingly more precious to me, watching these retroactive criminal edits to the great musicians...
Me too.
Me three !😂
Exactly my thought!
Same
Ditto!
This practice or "fixing" the voices of iconic singers reminds me of the infamous painting restorations where someone incompetent takes an antique oil painting and "cleans it up" to look like a grade-schooler's artwork.
Great analogy!!
@@patrickjordan2233 It’s a good analogy, yes, but that is extremely rare. By and large painting restorations - especially those from well-known artists - are done by highly-qualified fine art conservators and the results are usually striking.
Visions of Ecce Homo.
😊=🤡
Thanks for doing this Fil.
A great service to real music lovers.
this is so important to share, the de humanization must stop. We need artist not robot.
I wonder if the record labels (who hire the producers) are doing this more and more so that we'll accept robotic singing and pitch correction artifacts as normal, so that artificially generated voices will come to seem normal, too. I hear similar artifacts in AI voices as with pitch corrected human voices. It's more severe with fake voices, but a similar type of artifact.
I cannot believe how they are ruining these phenomenal artists voices for some sort of selfish gain! This needs to stop. Thank you for opening our eyes to this basterdized version.
But how do they even gain from it???
They do it with classic albums as well! If you buy a new CD of say Sgt Peppers they have pitch corrected the vocals! When you compare it to a original copy you can hear it so easily.
@@sarahm.5356,
It doesn’t make sense to me. It’s less expensive to release an anniversary album (or any releases after the original) if you don’t hire an engineer to mess with the sound.
😳 Oh. Have mercy! I love Bryan Adams, but I did not even recognize his voice even though I have his CDs. The unique expressions he always has, is gone. I am saddened to learn this, Fil!
I don’t know Fil. I hate being “old” but at least I grew up hearing The Eagles, Boston, AC/DC (with Bon) The Allman’s, Floyd etc…b4 this existed. I am grateful for that. Keep up the fight! 🫡❤️
Perfect this is really when the music died. Got noise, got no soul. Thx Fil , please keep it up hopefully somebody will hear us cry out.
I wonder who we could contact to show our discuss about this?
If all of us sent email and letters maybe we could make a difference.
Great comment and I think you’re right;)
@@a9ball1 I think it’s a money talks thing. Would have to find a way to only buy non compressed/OEM art .
Pretty sure there is a bunch of morons justifying their job by “ improving the catalog “ and taking out all the brush strokes. Idiots.
The alternative is worse. After almost 40 years, I stopped buying music because of auto-tune!
I agree. I hope someone will hear a cry out, if not from us, then from the musicians/artists who have put two and two together and have gotten fed up with pitch correction and auto tune. The lead singer of the band Little Dragon had stated that she made the rule of not using auto tune or pitch correction a priority. From what I’ve heard, it sounds like the band keeps true to this rule. Yet the “veterans” seem to either allow the manipulation-maybe because the record companies have the authority or they don’t mind themselves. Or perhaps they’re not aware. If it’s the latter, my hope is that it will cause a stink and then goodbye auto tune and pitch correction. Somehow I think people get too enamored with modern technology to the point where it makes things worse.
Fil, what a sad thing to hear! Our iconic vocalists' voices are systematically being taken from us! I hope and pray this pitch correction and other manipulation of music can someway be stopped. His true voice is beautiful! What a sinful shame to do this! Thanks for this analysis video, Fil! 🎶💜
my advice do not buy anything modern or remade anymore. treasure the old pure stuff.
@@wout123100 ... Absolutely! I was fortunate enough to have the entire collection of music I will ever want, for many years now. In the last 10 of those years, I began seeking out remasters that, in most cases, were an improvement, but NOT a manipulation voices. Sadly, there were many who simply turned up the volume / gain and created sometimes more than 2db of clipping. I just kept my original releases and I will always have them.
PS> 🐈pair of bonk's for the both of you 🐱
@wout123100 Absolutely! Thankfully, my parents left me a huge collection of vinal records of the best artists from the 60s forward !
@@veramilton833 ... NICE! 💪 Many years ago, I purchased a small audio converter to run my turn-table directly into my USB of my PC. I was able to get ALL of my vinyl 45's and records onto my drive, for those that were never or not yet released on to CD's. I have 100% of my music all backed up on the original CD's and / or onto hard drives, so I will never lose any of it.
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@NinjaKittyBonks Ahhh!!! Wonderful!!!
9:05 the saddest thing is that when you hear and see what the original line was, the microtonality is a clearly intentional blues lick that got edited out.
Yep. Improvization is uniquely live stuff and auto-tune wipes it out.
Legally, all tracks that have been "Pitch Corrected" should state this and it must be printed clearly on all webstores, and music platforms.
Those that haven't, can boldly claim that they have the original natural voice of the performer and receive the plaudits and sales that will definitely come their way.
You never get the "original, natural voice" when recording...the technology has never been there. Birgit Nilsson despaired at how history would remember her, as no recording could capture the golden glow that accompanied her most powerful notes, the combination of which elevated her above singers who merely had one or the other. She eventually interpreted characters differently for the nights she knew the tapes were rolling, so that if the golden tone could not be captured, she would build around her Cords of Steel. This disparity affected all singers to various degrees. Caruso had a number of notable contemporaries; he is remembered both for his charisma but also that his voice meshed better with the recording technology of the day. Sometimes a recording has to be processed so it more closely resembles the live sound.
What's that have to do with pitch correction? Nothing.@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee
@@jimijam1963 It has everything to do with the "original, natural voice" which only those in the same room got to hear.
When production companies do this, it's like color correcting the Mona Lisa to 256 colors. Here, you get about 20 different greens and 20 different Blues to play with. Never mind the thousands of shades in between.
That's a very good analogy 👍👆
My thoughts exactly😢💔
Hmmmm. Well AI (etc)type lovers…THINK about it. Why do we need real life musicians then?? If these type of things are fixed and done by computers etc…that is not a gift. It is but a toy. It is not a true ART FORM. It might be interesting but it will be robbing us of our human being-ness. Stealing from us our true ability to create. To be true.
It makes me compare it to the computer and our cell phones and tablets. Hey they are wonderful yes I am not saying they aren’t. And as much as they make some things easier but at the same time…I remember when in my life my mind could remember phone numbers and the like. Sure great I can just pull that up on my cell convenient sure. Or pull up the calculator to do a simpler mathematic problem. You don’t have to go to a library( remember those?) to do some research on a subject. Sure it is convenient. I am sure there are other examples…but I feel like the process of all of the technical improvements is “teaching us how not to learn”. That is my opinion and I feel it is accurate.
"The real music is between the lines." That applies to both pitch and rhythm. There is no groove if the instruments are quantized to the lines. There is no feeling when the pitches are dragged to "perfection". What would the great jazz musicians sound like if they were pitch corrected? Ella, Nina, Billie, Dinah, and Miles, Coltrane, Getz...
Unfortunately that will be done very soon if not already 😕
Totally agree. And I get confused as to why a perfectly tuned orchestra, or even just a piano or guitar, can bring about strong emotion.
With a human, it's robotic.
@@_whatsername1911 If you take the sound of any of your favorite musical instruments (with a few digital exceptions) and force the sound to be completely flat on the line, you have also lost expression. Guitars obviously have slight string bends. Even a piano tone will drift slightly in pitch from a hard hit on the key until the tone rings out. If that sound is processed, it will sound less like a real guitar or piano, and more like a primitive synth sound that is supposed to be a guitar or piano. Primitive synth sounds are cool, who doesn't like a good Moog, but it will sound more.... robotic!
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 No clue why that didn't cross my mind! 🤣
Yep, I've used the quantize analogy many times when likening to pitch correction. In the quest for "precision", it strips away all swing and movement.
Why bother have human beings play or sing if you're just going to force the notes to a fixed grid?
so basically the old vinyl records before the pitch correction was introduced, have a huge musical value today cause i guess only there we can hear how the artists exactly sounds.
oh man i wish they'd never discover pitch correction and auto tune.
as always, great work Fil. thank you!
Right. All we have to hope for now is that they keep on making those turntables and cd players! :)
@@elizabethmiller7291As long as people buy them, I think they will keep making them. I'm more worried about our records and CDs breaking! And they'll be no replacements.
Agreed.
Pitch correction is as old as tape, just that in the Boomer years it had to be done by splicing different takes or manipulating tape speed. Effects like reverb and chorus go way back too. If you want to hear how an artist really sounds, you need to be in the same room with him.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee I'm not sure why you wish to minimize or de-emphasize the insidious impact that the use nowadays of manual digital pitch changing/automatic tuning of great singers' voices has on a real music lovers' listening pleasure and enjoyment but this is a big freakin' deal and not at all comparable to how pitch was altered and effects added to a singer's voice decades ago.
Perfection started with magazines. Photoshop, airbrushing, etc. Now this. I feel like I’m living in the Matrix.
"And now, to cleanse our ears, heres the original-"
Couldn't agree more Fil. The robotic nature of the 'corrected' version needs scrubbed from my brain!
I've liked this video and I'm also commenting. But I can't watch it all. I'm heartbroken. It's terrible. Thank you Fil.
I saw him live about 7 years ago when he did a tour with just him and his guitar... It was fantastic!!
Why is Bryan not screaming from a mountain top in his beloved British Columbia about this destruction of his voice? How is it possible that he may not know that this is happening!!!??? I've brought this sort of thing up on his official facebook page and no one in charge of that site wants to touch it with a ten foot pole as is the usual reaction or non-reaction I get whenever I try to broach this subject on any music related facebook page.
Thanks for your post-if I was Bryan, I’d be livid about what has happened. 🎶🎸🤘 2:14
I was thinking the same thing. Thanks for trying
3 metre pole,we’re metric😅
Thank you Fill, it is so important to tell everyone what is really happening with these "live" performances or the remastered versions. You are a brilliant and extraordinary knowledgeable musician as well as an excellent singer and guitar player. All the best from Porto.
Why aren't we getting outrage from all these performers? Don't they know or care?
Possibly sellouts, sadly
great question! I wonder if Fil is getting any comment from any of these artists (short of that vocal coach that made a fool out of himself!) or their management company?
@@wakajawaka yes..I want to know...
There is a slight chance they don´t know unless they have listened to their own live recording or received comments about it. It´s more likely that they don know, but their contract with the record company leaves them no power of the reproduction of live performances that the record company releases. The artist might be too embarrassed to speak out about it, and/ or he/she has received a gag order from the company.
They probably know, and likely don't have any say in it because it's the label's product.
One of the things that makes us human is that we each have a voice - unique in tone and quality, able to impart both meaning and feeling. Turning voices into machines destroys that humanity. I feel your frustration, Fil. I’m sure each of us does. Keep shining your light!
Well said. Cheers! ✌️
Thankfully my teen years were in the late 70s.
Saw all these guys play live.
Some i even remember!
Same here. Saw Bryan live in early 1982 when he opened for Foreigner when I was 18.
If you can remember the 70s you did it wrong.
@@kallsop2 did you ? Or were they lip syncing back then ?
( this is not calling you out , but Fill is making me question everything I know about “ live consents “
In those days I went to be totally immersed in the gig experience, not to film it on my phone.
@@milestonowheres I will say it was live then because you could hear if the singers voice was off that night. A good example was a Kansas concert in 1981 with Steve Walsh dealing with the flu. When it came to some of the high notes he couldn't quite hit them and apologized to the crowd for not being at his best.
When I saw Bryan Adams in '82 he only had one album out and was working on Cuts Like A Knife and they tried out three songs for the album so there weren't any real tracks cut for it yet.
Also while they used echo/reverb/delay for vocals in the studio that was missing in a live performance.
Somewhere in contracts with labels or whoever, theres tiny print that says theyre allowed to do this without permission.Guaranteed.
Before he was famous, Brian used to drop by my studio in N. Vancouver, B.C. By the way, Fil, excellent analysis, and perhaps it explains why you may be destined to be an independent. You truly are an educator and are well-informed. Anyone today who knows about Lenny Breau, indeed, has a passion for guitar. Keep up the good work.
You must have a story or two that you could relate here ... we'd be grateful! Bryan - along with Jim Vallance, of course - are a big part of my favourite band from Vancouver and, indeed, from anywhere. :)
Hello Fil! Some time ago I read in a comment that you were on a "crusade". I liked this expression because you really are devoting yourself to your cause with all due seriousness. Keep up the good work! I hope you don't meet the fate of the knight of the cross Richard the Lionheart.
I got a tour by Bryan's manager of his home in the 80s (LA).
Crazy decor, the bathroom was a yellow submarine...
Can you imagine if they started pitch “correcting” blues guitarists’ guitar solos/licks? They probably already have, but if not, that’s where we’re heading very soon.
Stevie Ray Gone
I don't know if this can be stopped. But the releases should be labeled as "pitch-corrected." Maybe if that is done, consumers will vote with their dollars. Or maybe the current generation doesn't care?
Current generation don't care.
Why would they? Everything is fake nowadays, pics, movies, food, news, bodyparts...
Why should music make an exception?
Industry sells it, people buy it.
we can make the industry to label whether it is pitch corrected, what kind of recording equipment is ued and who is the editor due to consumer right and what sort of modification is used, however it wont solve the problem they will keep pitch correcting it. Becasue it appeals to low fi community where most cash is cash not audiofools.
The only way is not buying or returning it and praises good editor to creat peer pressure and need the someone release the original version to educate the masses. Billy joel was disgusted on his cold spring harbour album which was frankesteined by the editors twice, (1 oroigianl and 1 re-released) and he gave up at the end. But the album still sell, so there are no arguments to make the publisher redact their releases.
Perhaps the current generation have heard too many robotic recordings and have been dumbed down. If so, this is a worry. All the more reason Fil's videos are so important to inform more people.
Considering there are plenty of us older generations around, and we care, I agree that it should be labeled. And I know my kids appreciate bands from my generation that Fil has highlighted in these videos. So yeah, they care. I just don’t think they know.
Thanks Fil, you make a great point, WHY are so many great voices being destroyed by autotune or pitch correction! These people can sing! I dearly wish they would see your videos and rise up and revolt!
Young people think the Boomer music is "pitchy" and sounds weird. AutoTune makes it sound normal and up-to-date.
A frew years ago I was listening to some of my favorite songs when my youngest daughter said "Boy this music sounds so old". I really didn't think about it and figured she meant there was no synth or artificial instrument sounds. But just recently she said it again about Simon and Garfunkle. But this time I asked what she meant and she explained that the voices sounded odd to her ear. We talked a while and I figured out that she has been trained to listen for the processing sound of pitch correction and she associates that mechanical burr with "good" modern music. But without it she thinks the sound is antiquated and doesn't like it.
I think Bryan Adams is a great example of a really distinctive voice, that we used to have and love dearly back in the day, and we just don't have in the music industry anymore. And here we see why, they have managed to make his voice much less distinctive with the pitch correction. It sounds like a Bryan Adams tribute band.
No, a Bryan Adams tribute band would probably sound better because no one would melodyne then into oblivion.
When an audience pays to see a live performance and gets a pitch-corrected mime it’s like sitting down for one of Mom’s home cooked meals and she hands you a Twinkie.
The live performance was not autotuned (I was there!), the editing was just done on the video release.
Bryan Adams is not (to my knowledge) singing live with autotune.
If you go see him, you will have a wonderful truly live experience. 👌
In my mom's case the twinkie was better. 😂 I married a man who was a wonderful cook. He did the meals because I inherited moms skills.
I totally agree Fil. Great update as always.
Given what is emerging I think I consider myself lucky to have all the vinyl purchased before the "wizards" arrived 🙂
I have been singing for about 37 - 40 years now and I've never used pitch correction i only use reverb and echo to the minimum level and I have always been doing songs with the same passion as the original singer and the same way the song was created
Ditto
Your can,t better Bryan Adams Natural voice . One of the Best
Was assuming the worst of my beloved Bryan Adams and felt a lot better at around the 7:35 mark. The post-production stuff is appalling to be sure, but finding out one of my favorite artists is using autotune live as their regular routine is something else entirely for me. Glad that’s not the case here. Cheers Fil.
Thanks for this analysis, even though it makes me sad. I think I have been one of the ones who requested an analysis of Bryan Adams. It is just sad to see how much of his expression was taken away. I have just seen Bryan Adams live in concert last Saturday, and he sounded awesome. I have actually been to Royal Albert Hall when he performed that song, and it sounded so good live! We may have some crowd footage if you like for comparison.
That would be priceless coz BA doesn't allow fan footage on YT 👍
2:52 STRAIGHT AWAY.... we can see exact snapping to the notes.
Its sad that people ruin the raw talent that artists have. Hopefully we can get rid of autotune and pitch correction completely.
Agreed, but unfortunately that will never happen because the majority of singers today are more about image than virtually anything else. The quality of their voice matters little, as it can be “corrected.” 😒 And that’s reflected, perhaps, by the fact that most vocalist today sound eerily similar.
@fifthbusiness1678 So true it's sickening. 👍👍
Some of the best TV performances, at least in the US, in the past was the times the bands really performed live. Really a pleasure to watch some of these on RUclips.
Next time the same performance is uploaded to RUclips, the pitch will likely have been "corrected".
You missed out on auto-reverse cassette players? I had one of those in my car. Loved not having to turn the tape over.😄
@wingsofpegasus
I wonder what would happen if you were to contact Bryan Adams & show him that someone is doung this? I suppose he could tell you to 'F off'....or he might go, "They are doing WHAT? Thank you for telling me, I am gonna see that some heads will roll!"
It's kinda gonna take something like that to reverse the tide of melodyne. What would happen if all the artists who havent given permission to pitch correct/autotune their vocals were to launch a giant class action lawsuit? Or just see that the producers & engineers who make such reprehensible decisions never work again?
_Something_ has to change. Thisis way too rampant now.
I would love to see BA collaborate with Fil on this issue. If there is one Canadian artist who be a great asset to have on board with Fil's impending side project, it would be Bryan Adams.
Oh noooooo! Leave Bryan Adams' voice alone!!! 😡
Thanks, Fil! 🖤🤘🏽
Back in the days of cassettes and then onto CD''s, I most certainly "accidentally" spilled an entire gallon of Super Glue on quite a few of them 😸 Probably my first, was AC/DC "Powerage". So sad to see that so much of music that I grew up hearing, is not seen as "not good enough" as it was originally created😭
True! I agree with you, Kitty! Be careful with the super glue, kitty! You don't want to get your wiskers glued to your paws! 😂😅
@@veramilton833 ... Wish someone would have warned me about that back in the late 70's 😿
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I can confirm that way back in 1984 Nigel Tufnel, David St. Hubbins, and Derek Smalls ALL signed an agreement that none of their original master tapes nor live recordings of any kind were to be pitch corrected in any way UNLESS they were played backwards. This document was signed in perpetuity. They were true pioneers and their legacy remains untarnished to this very day.
They've signed to the big ones ... here we go.
BTW
I believe, one of Mr. Adam's first recordings was made into a disco track ... correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, that continues to be a sore spot. Not for me but for BA! :)
Still, not at all about what is currently happening with regard to the pervasive use of pitch-"correction" and autotune as the current music industry standard, though.
This is the reason I'll never get rid of my old albums and CD's. I know there were studio tricks then as well, but this is something that I would never listen to.
I'm sure there are great singers in the world, unfortunately most will never be heard.
Why bother having a human with vocal cords, just put words in a computer and have the voice processed.... Sigh.
Indeed. And, another really sad impact here could be that, in the future, really great, naturally pitch accurate singers or singers that put the time and effort into becoming pitch-accurate will no longer emerge and all (real) music lovers will be left with are robotic, unnatural voices that have had the life sucked out of them. Hope I don't live to see that come to pass but I really feel for the future generations of music lovers.
Computers don't have charisma. Be a woman a girl wants to be, or a boy a girl wants to be with, and with a modest amount of talent let the production do the rest.
Just listen to Heaven and I'm Ready from Bryan's MTV Unplugged show. Pretty damn perfect vocals 🙂
One point we can say about miming on shows... the logistics of setting up a band and getting it to sound really good on a show can just be too much for one or two songs. This is one reason why you see a lot of miming and false bands on shows. They just can't set up that much equipment to replicate what they did on the records. BUT... otoh.... with so much being digitized and shrunk these days, amps don't have to be walls of Marshall stacks. You can literally get huge Marshall tones in stomp boxes (Tonex?) these days so setting up a band wouldn't be a total nightmare. Miking the drums would be a pain still. And handling stage volumes and in-ear monitoring... just a ton of work. BUT if you just show up and pretend, hey, you're done and the sound and performance is always gold.
The less that can go wrong the better. That is why most shows required miming. You can also up the showmanship when hitting the right notes is no longer necessary.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee yeah, most people won't catch even wrong notes on guitar or keyboard anyway.
Bryan Adams was awesome on Roger Water's The Wall Live In Berlin. Best song of the whole show IMO.
"Just to cleanse our ears". Love it. Thanks for caring about keeping music real.
What do these artists who made their best albums without correction feel about their voices being manipulated? Would be great if you could interview Adams or another victim.
Check out “let me take you dancing”. I think it was his first hit, but the producers sped up the tempo to make his voice higher and the song more danceable. He was pissed off and
refuses to sing that song live.
Which makes me wonder why BA is letting this happen. He must know about it. I hope he isn't taking on the defeatist attitude of "it is what it is" ... a phrase that keeps popping up in ostensibly serious discussions about what can be done about the destructive course the music industry is on, especially with regard to the pervasive use of pitch "correction", auto-tuning and AI.
@@elizabethmiller7291 Only a few artists have full control over artistic decisions, and as good as BA is, he's no Prince or Neil Young.
@Spo-Dee-O-Dee He's recently fully independent as the owner of his record company. Full creative control. Though after Fil's video, I suspect he'll dial back on the AutoTune on next year's 3 live albums
@@TheBrettWilson Good on him...did he buy back rights to prior work?
@Spo-Dee-O-Dee I would doubt that considering he's re-recording them
Maybe a shirt that says, "Furious but equal temperament."
Ha! Very nicely done. As long as it's a sexy style ... you know, for the lady fans!
Sorry Fil, but I could listen to it on repeat. My stereo was very fancy and had auto reverse 😂😂😂 oh the magic and wizardry of it all.
Fil I imagine it must seem to you like you're shouting into a void and no one is listening, but i assure you, WE ARE. Please keep calling out this abomination everywhere you encounter it ... true music fans everywhere SO appreciate you for doing it.
Further to my previous comment, a music platform could be created called "Raw Talent". This platform could get hold of the original studio and live performances and make a fortune streaming them.
You may be on to something. I was wondering out lout the other day and thinking how nice it would be to have a radio station(s) that just spins natural voices, from whatever era.
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We tuned to the piano. Jazz band in college.
As long as you are in tune with yourself/selves, you’re golden.
Good evening Fil, thanks for another video.
I'm glad I have a huge catalog of old pre-digital manipulation music. How much of the music on the various internet streaming services is altered after the original release? Are the old masters like Dave Van Ronk and Woody Guthrie going to be pitch corrected?
I think we have to assume that the use of pitch "correction" and autotuning and AI is pervasive across all digital platforms and radio stations and that even the old masters are not safe. Time for all of us real music lovers to start actually doing something to stop this and make our voices heard by the powers that be.
I'm starting to visit record stores looking for cds of all my favourites from decades ago that were produced before this destructive practice became the music industry standard as it may be the only option we have to preserve the real music we love and cherish. I do have high hopes and expectations, though, for Fil's side project and the positive impacts it could have on all of this!
Pitch correcting Freddie Mercury & Bryan Adams is proof that AI has already taken over😉
An asterisk with a disclaimer needs to be placed on any announcement for a 'live performance' that isn't actually live.
It was live - it’s just the video release that was edited.
@@susannewampfler9264 That's his point. It has been edited, therefore it's not the live performance, despite claiming to be the live performance.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 You saw a video of a live performance. Hearing what the audience heard was never promised.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee If the sound has been edited to change it from the live vocal, it's no longer a live performance.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 A mimed live performance is still a live performance. And all you are promised is a performance. Sticking to the word "performance" has been lawyer-tested and judge-approved since (iirc) the day of the piano roll in a song and dance act.
The pitch correction was really bad on this one! 😕 As soon as I saw the first note on the screen I knew what Fil was going to say! Such a shame because Bryan has such a unique voice. It would be nice if they could just leave the live performances alone so the rest of us could experience the original version too!
I too listened to Reckless over and over. Wished I had the chance to see him.
Welp! Another one bites the dust! What a shame...
Agree, sounds awful.
But, I thank you for your honesty. Hopefully, something can be done about all of this going on!?
Thanks Fil!🌷
Even not really knowing Bryan Adams, my stomach dropped the instant the analyzer started moving.
Bryan never had a buzzzzzz to his voice, this is just such a shame.
I have played in the RAH and can assure you the volume of the space wont make you in tune. Very interesting video 2x👍
Bryan must have listened to this production. Surely they must have run it by him to okay.
We need some of the performers to speak out.
We need artists like Bryan Adams to get on board with Fil's side project and even be a part of the official launch.
I said elsewhere that these live albums were released on his own label, BADAMS. It increases the chances of him knowing about it. Thankfully, he's still singing great live
@@TheBrettWilson And, one of the best things I have found about going to see him live is that the crowd is always one thousand percent into it! Which makes the experience all the more fun and enjoyable.
@elizabethmiller7291 👍got my ticket for 7th BA concert
@@TheBrettWilson Rock! May I ask where?
SACRILEGE!!! You are absolutely right, Fil. Why can't they just leave well enough alone?????
I think the real problem isn't the artists, or record labels, or producers... the problem is us. Mainstream artists have a large and diverse fan base. Many "fans" are fans of the artists more than the songs. The songs become a product to sell the artist. These fans don't care about pitch correction or post production. They just want to listen to Bryan Adams songs that sound good, and the labels are giving them what they want. A great sounding product.
Sad, love Bryan Adams
He‘s still fantastic live - the editing was just done on the video release.
Hi Fil, I like your new hair style.
Maybe therebis an insider at the RAH that can comment. There must be some connection.
I saw BA in Vancouver with the VSO- so amazing.
All I can say is I'm keeping all my OLD tapes/LP's because at least I'll have the "original" vocal. The madness by whoever is doing this has GOT TO STOP ! I don't want to say this was a good analysis because it's totally depressing at an iconic vocal being destroyed 😔 But I feel your pain.
I knew Bryan when we were teenagers, still in high school. I remember how thrilled he was to be asked to take over as frontman for Sweeney Todd after Nick Gilder went solo. I also remember how horrified and upset he was when the producer of his first ever single sped up his voice to make him sound more like a girl. The song keeps appearing on RUclips before quickly disappearing, titled Let Me Take You Dancing. The Bryan I knew would be appalled that anyone would be altering his voice after that occasion.
For me, his best years were when he was writing in tandem with Jim Vallance, for his own releases and for others. But even with his later stuff, like this one, I cannot conceive of him agreeing to this. Mind you, we were teenagers and so much can happen in the ensuing almost 50 years.
I have that Sweeney Todd album on CD. Wish it was available for all to hear
You can say Top of The Pops, Fil - I don't think you're giving away any secrets at this point.
Fil, please show the singers from the Mo Town Era. They sound awesome and natural.
Good call.
You need to request something that You believe to have been manipulated with pitch correction. Rather than Fil going through hours of Motown classics trying to find one.
Let's hope that You don't find anything that's been butchered ;-)
Dear Fil.
I hope you manage to bring this to the attention of the moguls at the top of the tree...
Fil always points out that great singers still sound pleasant without backing instruments. In the same situation, a heavily pitch corrected vocal sounds irritating, no matter who is singing. I want to hear a human, not a computer.
I saw him in concert in Canada pre Covid. He is a true entertainer! It was such a good concert. He started it by saying, « Hi, my name is Bryan and I’m here to sing for you. » I think that it was the last concert that I went to. After watching your videos and with the increase in ticket prices, I’m not sure that I will be going to the concerts of any « big name » artists anymore.
This is an Orwellian nightmare come true.
Big Brother now controls (owns) another piece of our soul. If you still have your library of original vinyl (or tape) hang on to it. Lead vocals and harmonies have now been auto tuned and pitch corrected. The damage has been done and only if the music industry decides to release the original unaltered recordings will future generations ever be able to hear the amazing artistic talent in these original recordings.
I wonder where this decision is coming from? Is this being done by higher ups within the music industry itself?
Or by someone at the local level within each separate record label? Someone with the authority to make such a major decision to then go in and alter all these great old original recordings. Either way, the end result is they will reissue them as "Remastered". Of course it boosts the bottom line reporting it as "New" sales. I believe this is the sad but true story, Fil has uncovered.
How can Bryan NOT KNOW? Ridiculous!
Wow. Great breakdown. Great ears! Its so sad to me they kerp doing this correction & auto tune. Im so happy there is someone like you to raise the warning flags!!
Great work Fil 👏👏👏 What I still haven't got..... do singers use autotune when they perform live when the livestream is broadcasted? Bc I know a singer (who I really like) who I heard live in the venue. He missed at least 80% of the notes, not a bit but very much, you can't not hear it. Massively flat through all the songs. You hear it also in videos taken by the audience. And I saw an officially streamed live concert where he hit every single note. So they could have autotuned his live vocals? Would be really sick. 😂
Thank God i ripped all my cd's, tapes, and album's to mp3 :)
One of the best double albums ever released was Four Way Street by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young which has them tuning as they start playing a song. Priceless, yet would not appear on today's releases.
Imagine if there was a program to undo pitch correction.
Funny. At 4:50 I thought you said, "Here is your vomit from the other night..." when, in fact, you said "your performance..." I think the first way I heard it is more than accurate.
I've just started watching your channel, and I think it would be good if you showed what an uncorrected voice looks like in the software. Also, you should probably list the software you use in the video description. EDIT: Oh I just got to that part of the video.
Take a look at some of Fil's analysis videos that actually DO just what you are asking ... analyzing an unedited by pitch-"correction" natural voice. It is a truly wondrous sight to see a great artist's beautiful natural voice in waveforms!
And, welcome to an awesome RUclips channel! :)
Fil, I went along to see Crowded House in Glasgow last week and I suspect a touch of auto tune being used. Would you have a listen to some of the RUclips clips to confirm. I never thought Neil Finn would need it but it looks like everyone is at it.
Bye the way, Bryan Adams in the eighties was untouchable vocally. This just another sad example you’ve highlighted of the greatest singers voices being ruined by the technology.
Interesting. Saw them in Scotland in ‘92. Good theatre, good gig, good vocals. Yours Aye!
@@wtorules4743Bryan's voice is still untouchable live. It's just been tampered with after the fact 👍
I have seen Bryan Adams many times. First time was in 1995. He can hit these notes and sounds amazing live. Why are they doing this to him!! Or why is he letting it happen.
This is terrible. I don't blame Bryan. I have seen him live and un-altered and his voice and stage Prescence are amazing.
Thank you Fil. We love your work and objectivity
In a word, criminal.
It sounds metallic (best word I can think of).
Music = a universal language _of emotion_ and that emoting is often dependent on subtle inflections, particularly in singer's voices. Changing those voices so they're robotically precise makes them ... robotic. Maybe that's the general idea?
in a few years, most folks will not know what these great artists really sounded like. Unless we hold onto our old albums.
Within the first few notes you can hear the clipped /awful pitch correction - this makes me so sad, I hate the modern music industry for killing the art of singing 🙁
Fil you could write a song about this titled "The Days the Music Died".