Honestly, the R5 and R6 are more camera than I could ever need. I'm personally excited to see some options like this out there. Hoping they're truly priced affordably
This is just the point: because R5 and R6 are more camera than most could ever need, and because the entire system (including R lenses) are consequently more expensive than most would ever need: most are not buying an R5 and R6. Canon knows that and tries to win former hobbyists, those who require their spendings to be reasonable. Proportionate for the limited tangible benefits over today's high-end smartphones, for usual travel and casual photography. Canon are probably just testing the market. I suspect though, it might end up like Nikon's Z APS-C, where there's hardly any platform development going on.
I have a r6 but going to that from the 7dmk2 was a great upgrade for the animal eye tracking snd the thought of that in a crop sensor for birds is great snd at 32mp is hopefully going to be better than having to crop the r6 20mp images and for landscapes I’ll just get a 5dmk4 or something similar for a higher mp full frame for landscapes even a 5ds 👍👍snd both bodies will still be cheaper than a R5
Pangolan photo tours in S. Africa has videos up on RUclips of their hands-on work with pre-production copies of the R7 and R10. I only watched the R7 review, but she confirmed the buffer fills quickly when using the 30 fps electronic shutter. She said she was getting 30 to 40 RAW, around 50 Compressed RAW, or about 70 JPEGs at that fastest frame rate. Also, RAW at 30 fps is reduced to 12 bit, while it's 14 bit elsewhere. According to her the AF is very similar to R5/R6, with all the familiar setting and focus patterns, as well as fast eye tracking during the wildlife shoots she was doing. AF can shoot as low as -5 EV light (2 stops darker than any Canon DSLR). She said nothing about it having Eye Control AF (like the R3). Unless that was disabled and hidden somehow because it was a pre-production camera, the R7 doesn't have Eye Control. Not a full review (unable to shoot RAW because no s'ware supports the new camera yet). "Some weather resistance", though not as much as R5/R6. Confirmed price: 1500 euro... And probably around $1800 US (same as 7D Mark II in 2014?) Do a search here on YT for "Pangolin R7" and you'll find the video. You can jump to the R10 review from there, if you wish.
Would love a comparison of R7 with R6 for a casual wildlife photography enthusiast (if that’s even a thing!). Also, would love to understand the total cost of ownership with recommended canon and 3rd party lenses for each of these bodies. Curious about what body + lens combos makes best sense for someone who wants to use this as a primary camera (like for birthdays, family trips, weekend getaways, kids sports, kids portraits, fall photography, etc.) along with wildlife/sports oriented trip like birding, safaris, skiing, racing, etc. So hard to find this kind of a comparison online and I suspect this is the market Canon is targeting with the R7 and R6 (albeit for a more serious enthusiast).
@@ih_stallion950 there’s nothing wrong with the R6 it’s brilliant at what it is but for bird photography that extra crop helps tremendously over a full frame sensor also the extra fps will come in handy too I couldn’t believe the other day was shooting birds flying to and from a nest box in the garden and prefocus the camera and firing remotely from around 15 m away I couldn’t believe even at 20 fps they were flying through the focus zone that quick that the series of shots only had 1 image sharp per run and that was at 1/4000 sec . So hopefully 30fps will give me a couple of sharp images in this kind of scenario 👍👍👍
@@tintin69rr The R7 is not a wildlife camera. Don't believe the hype. There is the substandard weather sealing, after 1 second of shooting you hit the buffer. This takes 12+ sconds to clear. The sensor is from the 90D. They say they have tweeked it, maybe they have, maybe they haven't. But basically it is the old sensor from the 90D so if you want any low light capability, good luck.
Definitely not mad, but I think they should have focused more on cheap full frame bodies...APS-C is probably far from dead in 2022 and it still has its uses. But I would definitely have preferred a new full frame camera.
How cheaper do you think a full frame body could be? Whats wrong with the RP? You could get one used with less than 5k shutter for like $700-750 now. On the other hand a mirrorless 7d mk2 is already overdue
I hope, this releases encourage Sony to finally move on with their APS-C lineup. The R10 (of I'm not mistaken) gives you all the specs or even better specs than the A6600 and the R7 is more than most of us hoped to see from the mysterious "a7000, a6900" or whatever.
Just a guess; Canon did not invite you to Florida? This convinced me to get a refurb M6II for half the price and all the resolution. The 250mm EF-S zoom is sharper and dirt cheap used, and clone EF-M adapters cost peanuts. As you pointed out, EF-M 15-45 beats the RF-S wide zoom.
I'm actually kinda happy that the R10 has a viewfinder I don not think that the EVF is outdated though. Resolution is not the primary factor when it comes to EVF quality. If it's the same EVF as in the M50 and the RP, I'd say it's good enough, just a little low on the magnification. My X-T2 has a 2.36M dots EVF as well (granted, with a much higher magnification) and I don't think that's much of a problem when I'm shooting. The fact that there is better EVFs on the market doesn't make this one unusable. Same thing with the rear screen being 1M dots, I have the exact same type of panel on my X-T2 and it's perfectly fine on screens this small
I get by with the M50. I just hope my preordered R7 is more reliable. I've had 2 M50 bodies and they can stop working for no reason at any time. Several RUclips comments stated they didn't even work new out of the box. This is my only worry.
I have been debating which of these cameras to buy. Which one would you suggest on roughly a $1200 budget? Should I wait for better cameras? Just wondering your opinion. I would be using it for client videos so I need high video quality.
Maybe you should use the camera and see its performance rather than reading the specs and speculating. Many other reviewers of the R7 and R10 say the opposite of what you are speculating
This video is over a year old, so it is basically meaningless as newer reviews were done with an actual camera. I have the R7 paired with a RF 100-500 L lens, and I assure you that the photo quality is stunning. Yes, a $1500 camera will not have all the bells and whistles, but it comes close. The eye detection is amazing as well.
As someone who picked up the r7 I can say after a few days of extensive use I almost never use the EVF mainly cause I'm doing event shoots along with other things and the shutter speeds are very manageable but I honestly don't have any major issues with it so far
The 90D does have a top lcd and pop up flash. The 7D also had the top lcd and pop up flash. So these R7 and R10 are brand new cameras, not made to replace anything.
The three main reasons to buy the R7 is that it has the focus system from the R3 (although not the sensor so it won't be quite as good) and the 1.6x crop sensor and 15fps mech shutter. If these aren't enough to make you give up some 90D/7D2 minor features then this camera isn't for you. And that's fine. I'm a 90D and 7D2 user and I'm ready to dump both, they're old tech, slow to focus on moving targets and no eye focus and just plain tired.
I was considering on getting the R7, as a second body to my great R5. I had the first 7D, and also the 7Dmk2, which I loved. But I'm disappointed. I'm not looking for toys i was expecting for a mirrorless 7Dmk 3... Not for me
EOS-M users don't want it because it's too big. 7D users don't want it because it's not professional enough. Both hate the slow f/6.3 lenses. Great job Canon, no one wanted this, lol.
Try watching Jared Polin's review. It's a hands on review. He actually used it. Instead of looking at pictures of the camera and talking garbage. This review is not a review it is a leaking from the fool at SonyAlpha Rumours. Even the Sony fans don't listen to him.
I wonder if the R7 will be good with the sigma unstabilized lenses (50-100 and 18-35 ef-s), as the quality sometimes is not that great in low light without a tripod. Hoping that the IBIS helps making these lenses even stronger, then I would seriously consider this camera.
The 18-35 already works very well with the stabilisation in the R5 (albeit all EF-S lenses force it into crop mode which is only 17mp, so less demanding than the 32.5mp of the R7). The 50-100 works fine until you zoom past about 65mm, which is to be expected; sensor stabilisation is always less effective on focal lengths upwards of 80mm or so, and 65mm with the 1.6x crop is equivalent to 104mm, so there you go. So, assuming the stabilisation in the R7 is at least as good as the R5's-and in fact Canon are claiming it's slightly better-there should be no reason the Sigma zooms won't work well on it. That said, even on the R5 with the battery grip the 50-100 is extremely awkward to use, since it has so much weight hanging so far out in front of the body. Putting it on an even smaller body isn't going to help that. Using 'normal' f/2.8 zooms on the R gets you better balance with the same final image, as long as you don't need the burst speed.
Yeah, that's disappointing. They shouldn't have bothered with an APS-C line up at all if they weren't going to do the mirrorless 7D. That's the only reason I would have found it justified.
I agree, if it's just meant for people buying cheap cameras with a kit lens and perhaps down the road buying one more lens, they should have stuck with the well liked M series.
Not sure how this isn't better that the 7d2 in almost very way?????? More mp, ibis, uncomparable af system, faster frame rate, plus the latest mirrorless tech. 7d is dead. Move on
@@d_dave7200 Not true. For what the 7D line was best for, cameras like the R were not good at all. The R7, with the exception of build quality and EVF/LCD, is a fine ML follow-on to the 7D, and at a very good price. Once paired with the RF 100-500, a Canon shooter will have a very capable rig. Of course, less expensive options exist with the EF 100-400 or the RF 100-400, or the RF 800/600 F11, or even third party EF 150-600. The R7 makes for a rich set of options for the Canon weekend warrior wildlife shooter.
A year ago you said Canon deletes the shutter button on the R7. A year later it’s out and has a shutter button. Are there any advantages of having both a mechanical and electronic shutter?
Just pre-ordered my R7 this morning! after watching your comments a few days ago I was very excited and didn't think it would be ready to pre-order so quickly.... I also watched Jared Polin's preview of these two cameras and I was sold!
@@slimphotog I usually shoot racing cars, Formula E and so... Also with the electronic shutter it goes ridiculously fast, and ypu can also do Preshoot and then pick the best picture. 🤯 It's awesome!
Thinking of updating from the 1Ds Mark 3, doesn’t sound like either of these are the camera to get. Looking at the R5 after watching your comparisons of the R5 and New R6. Sounds like that’s the way to go, ya think?
As someone who used to have a 1Ds3-though I upgraded more incrementally years ago-I'd say either of the R or R5 are the most direct replacements for the 1Ds line. I mean, if you insist on going mirrorless, that is. When it launched I bought the 1Ds3 because it had the highest resolution and best overall image quality (UK marketing always said the 's' stood for 'studio') available at the time; in that regard, a 5DS R is still the best Canon replacement, since Canon don't offer anything to beat that 50mp sensor with no AA filter. But yeah, in the mirrorless world, the 30mp R or 45mp R5 would be the way to go. The R6 will represent a significant speed increase over the 1Ds, with about one stop more dynamic range and half a stop less noise. But it's not as fully-sealed. Personally, I had an R6 for only a little while and didn't like it, but I could afford to upgrade to the R5 and I recognise that not everyone can. If that 20mp resolution is enough for you and you feel you need the speed then yeah, the R6 would make sense over the 1Ds. But take away the speed advantage and there's not really much point; you can get a more significant increase in image quality from any number of SLRs, or just the original R. The R5 gives you much better image quality in every way, more speed if you need that, all the fancy mirrorless tech (though usefulness is subjective), and keeps roughly the same level of sealing as the 1Ds. So if you can afford the R5 and you want a 'full' upgrade over the 1Ds, the R5 is the way to go. Just bear in mind you'll either need to buy new lenses as well, or put up with adapting lenses which in some cases can make for very awkward handling, as the R bodies end up with their grips further from the lenses and the whole rig always ends up feeling longer than with an SLR, even though on paper the total length is pretty much the same. Especially with any lens about 85mm or longer, it puts more strain on your wrist, and can be harder to balance on a tripod if the lens doesn't have a tripod collar. So, depending on how exactly you use your cameras and what lenses you need, you might want to rethink jumping to RF. There are still some situations where SLRs are simply more practical.
If you have the 1DxM3 go straight to EOS R3. Same battery and leaps ahead of any other body on the market and I used all brands. The 24mpxl stacked BSI is in a class by itself. Move forward my brother; don't let folks here who do not have the equipment nor have tried it tell you otherwise... GO STRAIGHT TO THE R3; you as a 1DxM3 user will not regret it.
for some strange reason your sound for this video bud is not working i have tried everything?? it will just not go off the mute not sure if anybody is having this issue
I might be willing with an R10 as an M50 replacement, just to streamline the lens mount as it seems to be of a similar compact size, but even if the R7 was a full-on flagship APS-C mirrorless, I probably wouldn't be interested or have enough use for it over the R5 to consider one.
Depends on what happens for the video record limit in the R5. Just struggled with long term video in my R5 (annoying to look out for the 30 min limit). Also, the additional reach for wildlife is great, just using the same lenses. I guess the R7 will get on the way to me as a secondary body.
There are a lot of good and affordable EF-S and EF APS-C lenses that can be adapted to these cameras. Since they have the RF mount, all the available EF-RF mount adapters should be able to be used on them, and those adapters are great. Not only do they open up these new cameras to a plethora of great glass, the adapters themselves come in several types that offer versatility. Whether it be a straight up ability to connect EF to RF, or to provide a control ring that isn't available on older lenses, or to insert filters (CPL or VND) into the adapter instead of the front of the lens, or to provide a boost to speed and widen FOV, these adapters are great. And this is just the adapters available now. There's always the possibility that future adapters provide different functions like adding tilt-shift or macro or become straight up teleconverters. And while the Canon adapters may be somewhat pricey, there are also a lot of 3rd parties getting in on the action and, based on reviews, have been performing quite admirably at the job. If you don't mind the front loaded weight that results from these combinations, adapting EF lenses may be the better option for budget minded RF-S users.
I agee! EF-S 15-85 and the EF 70-200 4.0 IS work very well on my M50s for video and photo and will do the same with the R7 (I have preordered). EF-S 60 and EF 100 (non-IS) macro give me a ~100mm and 160mm Macro plus the RF 1.8 35 is a great standard lens with IS + good aperture + 1:2 Macro capability if there is not enough light or I want to walk around with a light package.
Well, if this is true it's a joke. As a wildlife photographer I was really looking forward to mirrorless version of 7D II, speed, great ergonomics, tough build with weather sealing and 1.6 crop factor for extra reach, would be a great addition to a full frame, especially for birds. I'd buy it instantly but this thing looks nothing like that. Ergonomics look just terrible, awfull.
So true, I'm even more in a pickle now, as I was holding off the decision to move to 7D2 from M50 (bought as all purpose, but picked up quite a hobby for wildlife). I think I'll just buy a second hand 7D2 unless the prices really start skyrocketing and half decent deals are over 😢
@@buggersofoz The M6 Mk II has a much better physical controls layout than this R7. Possibly the same sensor, does 14fps mechanical and 30fps 18MP raw shots with an extra 1.3x crop on top of the already 1.6x crop. It runs rings around a 7Dii but doesn't have the weather-sealing.
@@cooloox thanks! have to look closer at M6II. I have considered it, but only with the attached EVF (I barely ever frame using the screen) or 90D. The latter has the same sensor, but better battery, built in VF (optical). That makes the optical AF system less reliable than the 65-point in 7D2. The question is whether DualPixel (M6II) is better than 49-point you get with D90 if you're shooting through the VF... I know 7DII trumps them all in terms of accuracy and customisation, but TBH, I do like the NFC and WiFi in my M50...
And R7 is official now... officially undercooked. Starting to think if OM systems could actually counter it with something like OM-5, putting amazing animal detection skills in a cheaper package (and smaller with lend than an R7 with what will have to start as full-size RF lenses)....
Actually this camera gives you all that. Try looking at a proper hand on review from Jared Polin. He's a professional photgrapher, as in, a very good professional photographer. His reviews are pretty unbiased and he actually took some pictures with the camera and he didn't look the spec up on SonyAlpha Rumours!
I think I really hate the new design of joystick with dial wheel. I own R5 I expected to get a second camera as a crop sensor for more flexibility in photography. I wish it could be designed the same as R6 or even R.
Just my opinion but I don’t think Canon is listening to their customers or the consumers of other brands. They really don’t seem to have a wow factor that Sony and Nikon have when they release a new camera. Again, just my opinion. I could be completely wrong but I think Canon needs some fresh blood in their leadership and innovation positions.
Mister Nerd , you are exactly right Canon is not listening Canon is just building cheap cameras that's all this R7 is , it's just the cheap camera it is not the replacement of the 7D MkII that it was supposed to be it's that simple .
The R7 is most likely going to be the mirrorless version of the Nikon D500. It is the camera Nikon should have made, but didn’t. Several reviews have shown the R7 to be an excellent wildlife, portrait, and video vlogging camera. The R7 has some excellent low light and tracking abilities. So far, the R7 has shown to have good AF and seems to be quite reliable.
I totally agree with you. R7 should be a professional camera which shares the same design as other full frame pro-grade cameras. The camera market is shifting to the high-end market in which mobile phones can’t fill. I think that Canon’s decision for R7 is absolutely wrong.
I have the 5D4 and 100-400!! And almost only use for walkabout birding. Was about to upgrade to R5 … then the R7 comes out. Do I change my mind and save some cash and go for the R7?
Thats what I did. I upgraded from my old 5D Classic which was my first camera that someone basically gave to me about 6 months ago (because I wanted to learn), to an EOS R recently. I got my R for like $1400 off KEH. I'm glad I learned the basics on an older camera because these mirrorless cameras make shooting so much easier.
Tony, I have a feeling they are coming out with these two models first to see what the market is like for Aps-c cameras these days. From what I have found out the 7dmkii camera was more expensive when it first came out than the new R7. If the market shows strong sales for these two cameras, I think they will develope a higher end version with stronger pro-like features in the future. I used to be an instore rep for Canon and I always have used the Aps-d cameras even for shooting weddings and I started a mobile portrait studion, where I could shoot print and frame using Canon printers and lights and backdrops! I taught myself this idea while demonstrating Canon cameras and printers in the store setups to demonstrate how well the cameras shoot and the printers print quality photos. Now I have done everything from wedding shoots to sports, air show. and car shows also. It would be nice to see a comparison shoot with the new R7 vs. the R, or the R6 when doing portraits and weddings as well as animal and bird, or landscapes to compare full frame cameras and the Aps-c cameras. That way customers can really see the difference in using both cameras in pro and personal use.
I would like to go for R10 but Im not sure if I should pick R7 because of IBIS. I would use the camera for handheld photography. What do you suggest, does it worth paing extra to have IBIS?
Tony... Here's some things to consider why that R7 might not be as bad as we think... Sensor readout might not be too bad considering it will be a smaller APS-C sensor vs FF. The 32Mpx sensor will have more information than the R6 sensor so for Wildlife Photography using RF L mount big zooms you will have an advantage. This is a mild R7 and the Mk2 version that will follow will have a better EVF and faster card slots but how long will that take. What would be nice is if they made it super easy to transfer files to your phone with a greatly improved App.
I was looking forward to the R7 and ready to buy my first mirrorless camera. However the poor resolution of the EVF and screen might stop me. I'd be happy to pay £100 or £200 (I'm from the UK) more for higher resolution.
I shoot Micro 4/3s and hoping for a Panasonic G10 to replace my G9. I feel the Canon user's pain, a 7Dmk3 the R7 might not be, still would like to see what the R7 can do paired with the Canon 800mm F11. Currently, I use the G9 paired with the Panasonic 100-400mm F6.3 (200-800mm F12.6). This combo will set you back around $2500 new, which will be really close to the R7 paired with that 800mm F11.
I want to upgrade for the speed of the newer R series cameras but I am not able to justify the cost of the R5/R6 as I don’t shoot professionally and those that I do shoot aren’t able to pay much right now. I’d love the R7 over R6
I think we're both in the don't by Canon at the moment boat. Since the R and RP came out, Sony has updated their cheapest FF body 2 times. And Nikon came from nowhere with a good for the money, Z5
Tony I would love to hear your thoughts on wether a r7 is a upgrade from the r6 solely for bird photography and then get a full frame body for landscapes what’s your thoughts cheers 🍻
I’m not mad… I’m quite interested in the R7. The R6 does not have as much resolution as I would like and the R5 is overpriced for me. The R7 is a good compromise
I suggest you put in an order for the r7 right now. It’s the camera you want. Canon has done an outstanding job with these feature sets at a price that many can jump in with. They have several lens options that ease you into the system. Keeping the body light in weight means you can use the adapter with EF lenses. Its a killer deal.
I was hoping to save up for the R, but lacking of IBIS and no CLog was kind of a bummer that I was willing to bite my tongue over because the next step up was the R6...with a 30%-40% price jump. But now with the R7 and me coming off the M50 with a handful of adapted EFS lenses anyway, I think its a much better choice for me.
i'll stick to the M50, those specs are not worth giving up the ability to use the efm lenses for compact and light carry or to use the efm lenses as companion lenses to a main ef lens that shopping mall mom looking for a camera to shoot the kids with, she will go for the M50 for price and compactness, canon will loose a big slice of the entry level market if they get rid of the M50.
Agreed. APSC should be a cheap entry point into photography and there needs to be a cheap compact version (even if the mount won't be developed further).
@@cooloox i had thought about it and i may get one as a third body just to us on my longer wildlife lenses the 100-400 and 150-600 ( i have two M50) i would only get one if it were cheap enough as the mp gain isn't that much i have also thought about the 5dsr for the same, a high res for astro planets and some wildlife stuff i could afford the R5 but there is alot that i would need to change as well like computer size and storage etc because of the massive amount in data size this also is another down side to the higher mp cameras better res lenses and more storage needed M50 is a nice place to be for a beginner or amateur photographer
I was expecting upgrade of 90D but it seem like it's mirrorless version with more expensive lenses. I am looking to spend my €2000 on decent camera with kit lens (general purposes) + macro 1:1 lens (for scale models photography mainly) but I just can't seem to find anything better than D7500 + 18-140 + Sigma 105mm F2.8. Mirrorless cameras in this price range are small and offer no IBIS (which I enjoy on my Pentax K-x). There is Fuji X-S10 but fuji lenses (to grow later) are expensive, however main drawback is small size and low number of physical buttons. I could get used to navigate with touchscreen when having session on tripod at home, however when I'm out to make photos I prefer to have as many settings easily accessible as possible. I'd really like to switch to mirrorless but with budget under €1800 for body only it's like a big trade-off and actually step-back from corresponding price DSLRs. In December I could get EOS 90D + 18-135 + Sigma 105 for €1850, now it costs €2100. Second choice was Nikon D7500 set for € 1600, now it costs €1850.
It is very good to get your opinion about the evf and the facts about writing speed to sd UHS vs CF card, I was very thrilled about the R7 I got a reason to upgrade my 7d which have served me for a decade now, but got something to think about, and certainly have to check out when it’s released.
I like how clear you look in the video, but the cameras and laptop are fuzzy. I’m learning as much as I can and I’m sure there’s a good reason why they are fuzzy
I'll be curious to see how it compares to sony a6600. I wanted a 90d, but mirrorless and better video features. I would get the a6600, but Sony ergonomics and menus just look stressful to use.
I was waiting for the R7 for so long and now that is finally out I have to say that I'm disappointed just like many others. I'm really considering the Fuji xh2s with the fx 150 to 600 instead of the R7 with the RF 100 to 500 and was wondering if you could make a comparison video on these two combos for wildlife and sport photography. Thanks in advance.
I agree with everything you said Tony, I'd rather they called it an R70. This feels like going back to the EOS R days when they were 'figuring things out'.. except now they should know what they're doing and no need to make an R7 with crappy button layout that's totally new and unfamiliar. I'd like to see an APSC camera with identical button layout to my R5 and R6... that to me is the true R7! I just hope we're not waiting 4-5 years for a MK ii to come out...
Why do they screw up with their first set of models. With full frame they added a slider on EoS R which everyone hated. Now with crop sensor they messed up again
So, your saying I should stick to my 90d and M6 Mkii. I’m not spending another 1000+ for the same thing but mirrorless so I’ll just upgrade to a proper full camera. Thanks for the info…look forward to a more in-depth review
It depends of your needs, FF vs Full-Frame = Big SUV vs Corolla. If you need it for portraits and low light, go for FF. If you need it for sports and wildlife, go for the highest fps
Hi, I would like some advice ... in these days the Fujifilm x-h2s will be presented but if the price were to be around 3000 dollars it would be out of my reach. This is why I was thinking about the x-t4. Now the Canon R7 is presented ... according to your experience which one do you recommend to buy between the 2. I confess that I am attracted but a little intimidated by the Fuji system, but my dream remains the x-h2s especially if it were to support 6k 60fps :)
I am pretty happy with these specs and have pre ordered the R7. I have and use a 7D mark 2 but its heavy to use handheld and I was looking to downsize. I have purchased and love Olympus OMD EM Mark 3 but it is limiting with 20 MP. The R7 is 33MP with fantastic autofocus and 15 FPS Mechanical shutter and much smaller and lighter for $300 less than my 7D Mark 2 that i brought 7 years ago. As i remember when i brought the 7d Mark 2 there were many negative reviews.
I started shooting wildlife as a pro about 40 years ago, and I have the R5 and R6. Both great cameras for their purposes. But the R7 gives that extra cropping and pixel density boost at the long end and I too, like Tony, was pining for a MILC evolution of the 7D series - particularly looking for a top-end sensor, great buffer, serious weather proofing and fast cards. Initially, I was quite keen on this camera, but after delving more into it, my enthusiasm has somewhat tempered... The lack of BSI and stacking on the sensor is a lost opportunity IMHO for a camera in a market at the high end - where I was expecting it to be placed. More cameras, (esp. Sony, a big rival) are bringing those in to manage the throughput from electronic shutter and reduce shutter lag. This lag is extremely pronounced at the 30 FPS, rather crippling the benefits of it. My Sony Rx-10MkIV, vintage 2017 has a stacked sensor already! Also, according to Pangolin Wildlife's review, Canon said that the R7 has LESS weather sealing than the R5 and R6, which seems counter-intuitive, considering it is likely to be subjected to the element by pro users. Then we get to the buffer and cards. Certainly, considering the frame rate, and the benefits of shooting RAW, it needs a serious buffer, and I'm not convinced it has that. I think that for the function of this camera, a pair of dual CF Express Type A card slots, with backward compatibility to SD cards, would have been a winner, and might have put less stress on the buffer. The movement of the control wheel I am undecided about; however, I am disappointed that the back buttons for focus and exposure locks have been moved - as Tony says, moving them just adds another level of change when moving between bodies. I have less issue with the loss of the top LCD , but a higher-resolution EVF for shooting would be very welcome. Finally, no sign of a battery grip yet, given the way that one is likely to go through batteries, and the light weight of the camera body, with a heavy super telephoto attached, the improvement in balance would be welcome. Also, shooting with longer, heavier super tele lenses (often used by wildlife and sports photographers who would be a potential market for this), having a set of controls for use in portrait mode is ergonomically far more convenient. I have the distinct feeling that Canon have watered down what was a great camera series to something lesser and rather half-hearted: rather like the original R and RP were a rather tepid dipping of toes in the MILCy waters. I was really looking forward to the R7 as a pro-level crop-sensor DSLR, but I may wait for the MkII to come out when they might finally produce a camera worthy of the mark. Fuji are apparently releasing new versions of their X-T and X-H bodies soon, maybe I shall look at them...
The R7 is a great camera to pull out for wildlife and small birds when you need extra reach. Not ideal for a primary wildlife camera, but as a supplement to an R5 or R6 when you need the reach, or as a light weight hiking camera, I think this camera fits the bill. Buffer is the biggest disappointment, but it's something you can learn to live with. It's unlikely that Canon would put a CF Express card in here when they don't have that in the R6. Also, the 7d ii took CF cards, not CF Express. I don't think those cards even existed when it came out. With the larger file size on the R7 you definitely need to pay attention to the write speed on your card, and get the fastest you can. I think this camera would have been better with a 24 megapixel sensor. Though 32 enhances it's usefulness for small and distant wildlife, since you not only have the 1.6 crop, but the ability to crop as well. Canon does claim "all new" enhancements in the sensor. This camera is much more than something mom and dad pick up at Target to take pictures of the kids. I think it will find it's way onto the camera bags of a lot of serious photographers, not as a primary, but as a very capable back up.
I don't think the R7 has eye detect autofocus based on the picture from the back. It doesn't seem to have the sensor array for it instead opting for the normal presence sensor on the right.
I waited for years for the 7D III and finally gave up. I switched to Sony mirrorless two years ago, when Canon put out the crappy EOS R. I was anxious that the R7 would make me regret the switch - but if these specs are correct, I am happily a Sony shooter for the foreseeable future.
15fps is great for wildlife, and it's APS-C. Love the IBIS, animal and vehicle tracking. But I think Canon could have gone further with this. The FTP and IPTC in camera has been left out, which is disappointing. As a reportage shooter, this is handy on the R6, R5 and R3. It's pretty much a must have for me. I wish they would also give the option for MRAW and SRAW when top resolution isn't wanted.
the 15-35 f4 lens is still an f4 lens on the aps-c sensor, not f6.3. it might give the depth of field of an f6.3 lens on aps-c but its still f4 as far as exposure goes.
I have an R6. I'm a birder hot for the R7 crop factor. Problem we such see is ISO capability. Can we still get enough light fast enough to support our high shutter speeds? Typical daylight, 1/2000 second at maybe 5000 ISO. The 90D comparison scares us into thinking not.
DPReview just uploaded both of these camera you guys can go check it out the camera are preproduction units but they did mention its full production accept for the 18-150
The double glasses got me 🤣
Honestly, the R5 and R6 are more camera than I could ever need. I'm personally excited to see some options like this out there. Hoping they're truly priced affordably
This is just the point: because R5 and R6 are more camera than most could ever need, and because the entire system (including R lenses) are consequently more expensive than most would ever need: most are not buying an R5 and R6. Canon knows that and tries to win former hobbyists, those who require their spendings to be reasonable. Proportionate for the limited tangible benefits over today's high-end smartphones, for usual travel and casual photography.
Canon are probably just testing the market. I suspect though, it might end up like Nikon's Z APS-C, where there's hardly any platform development going on.
@@tubularificationed "Proportionate for the limited tangible benefits " Lol. Tell us you know nothing about optics without saying it. Perfect.
I have a r6 but going to that from the 7dmk2 was a great upgrade for the animal eye tracking snd the thought of that in a crop sensor for birds is great snd at 32mp is hopefully going to be better than having to crop the r6 20mp images and for landscapes I’ll just get a 5dmk4 or something similar for a higher mp full frame for landscapes even a 5ds 👍👍snd both bodies will still be cheaper than a R5
Where are your links to buy
Pangolan photo tours in S. Africa has videos up on RUclips of their hands-on work with pre-production copies of the R7 and R10.
I only watched the R7 review, but she confirmed the buffer fills quickly when using the 30 fps electronic shutter. She said she was getting 30 to 40 RAW, around 50 Compressed RAW, or about 70 JPEGs at that fastest frame rate.
Also, RAW at 30 fps is reduced to 12 bit, while it's 14 bit elsewhere.
According to her the AF is very similar to R5/R6, with all the familiar setting and focus patterns, as well as fast eye tracking during the wildlife shoots she was doing. AF can shoot as low as -5 EV light (2 stops darker than any Canon DSLR).
She said nothing about it having Eye Control AF (like the R3). Unless that was disabled and hidden somehow because it was a pre-production camera, the R7 doesn't have Eye Control.
Not a full review (unable to shoot RAW because no s'ware supports the new camera yet).
"Some weather resistance", though not as much as R5/R6.
Confirmed price: 1500 euro... And probably around $1800 US (same as 7D Mark II in 2014?)
Do a search here on YT for "Pangolin R7" and you'll find the video. You can jump to the R10 review from there, if you wish.
Thank You!! Good review!
Would love a comparison of R7 with R6 for a casual wildlife photography enthusiast (if that’s even a thing!). Also, would love to understand the total cost of ownership with recommended canon and 3rd party lenses for each of these bodies. Curious about what body + lens combos makes best sense for someone who wants to use this as a primary camera (like for birthdays, family trips, weekend getaways, kids sports, kids portraits, fall photography, etc.) along with wildlife/sports oriented trip like birding, safaris, skiing, racing, etc. So hard to find this kind of a comparison online and I suspect this is the market Canon is targeting with the R7 and R6 (albeit for a more serious enthusiast).
Me too I’m looking at offloading the r6 for the R7 snd get a full sensor camera with the change 👍
@@tintin69rr what's wring with your R6
@@ih_stallion950 there’s nothing wrong with the R6 it’s brilliant at what it is but for bird photography that extra crop helps tremendously over a full frame sensor also the extra fps will come in handy too I couldn’t believe the other day was shooting birds flying to and from a nest box in the garden and prefocus the camera and firing remotely from around 15 m away I couldn’t believe even at 20 fps they were flying through the focus zone that quick that the series of shots only had 1 image sharp per run and that was at 1/4000 sec .
So hopefully 30fps will give me a couple of sharp images in this kind of scenario 👍👍👍
@@tintin69rr The R7 is not a wildlife camera. Don't believe the hype. There is the substandard weather sealing, after 1 second of shooting you hit the buffer. This takes 12+ sconds to clear. The sensor is from the 90D. They say they have tweeked it, maybe they have, maybe they haven't. But basically it is the old sensor from the 90D so if you want any low light capability, good luck.
@@doghouseriley4732 . I use my R7 for wildlife and it is a superb camera. I am getting amazing results in all conditions.
Definitely not mad, but I think they should have focused more on cheap full frame bodies...APS-C is probably far from dead in 2022 and it still has its uses. But I would definitely have preferred a new full frame camera.
Amen!
$10 says in a year or two they will come out with a revised RP! Good price with updated features…!
How cheaper do you think a full frame body could be? Whats wrong with the RP? You could get one used with less than 5k shutter for like $700-750 now. On the other hand a mirrorless 7d mk2 is already overdue
R, RP, R5, R6, R3... they just made a bunch of new full frame bodies. But I agree they should go after the A7III price point
How can there be a chip shortage if canon has plenty of chips to make crap like this.
I hope, this releases encourage Sony to finally move on with their APS-C lineup.
The R10 (of I'm not mistaken) gives you all the specs or even better specs than the A6600 and the R7 is more than most of us hoped to see from the mysterious "a7000, a6900" or whatever.
Sony asked him not to mention that
Just a guess; Canon did not invite you to Florida?
This convinced me to get a refurb M6II for half the price and all the resolution.
The 250mm EF-S zoom is sharper and dirt cheap used, and clone EF-M adapters cost peanuts.
As you pointed out, EF-M 15-45 beats the RF-S wide zoom.
I'm actually kinda happy that the R10 has a viewfinder
I don not think that the EVF is outdated though. Resolution is not the primary factor when it comes to EVF quality. If it's the same EVF as in the M50 and the RP, I'd say it's good enough, just a little low on the magnification.
My X-T2 has a 2.36M dots EVF as well (granted, with a much higher magnification) and I don't think that's much of a problem when I'm shooting. The fact that there is better EVFs on the market doesn't make this one unusable. Same thing with the rear screen being 1M dots, I have the exact same type of panel on my X-T2 and it's perfectly fine on screens this small
It’s the same as in the M50 and X-T2, 2.36M. The M50, like the X-T2, has both contrast and phase defection autofocus. .
I get by with the M50. I just hope my preordered R7 is more reliable. I've had 2 M50 bodies and they can stop working for no reason at any time. Several RUclips comments stated they didn't even work new out of the box. This is my only worry.
I have been debating which of these cameras to buy. Which one would you suggest on roughly a $1200 budget? Should I wait for better cameras? Just wondering your opinion. I would be using it for client videos so I need high video quality.
Maybe you should use the camera and see its performance rather than reading the specs and speculating. Many other reviewers of the R7 and R10 say the opposite of what you are speculating
This video is over a year old, so it is basically meaningless as newer reviews were done with an actual camera. I have the R7 paired with a RF 100-500 L lens, and I assure you that the photo quality is stunning. Yes, a $1500 camera will not have all the bells and whistles, but it comes close. The eye detection is amazing as well.
As someone who picked up the r7 I can say after a few days of extensive use I almost never use the EVF mainly cause I'm doing event shoots along with other things and the shutter speeds are very manageable but I honestly don't have any major issues with it so far
You mentioned the R7 being like a 90d type vs a 7D. But the 90D line has a top lcd, and has a pop up flash.
The 90D does have a top lcd and pop up flash. The 7D also had the top lcd and pop up flash. So these R7 and R10 are brand new cameras, not made to replace anything.
The three main reasons to buy the R7 is that it has the focus system from the R3 (although not the sensor so it won't be quite as good) and the 1.6x crop sensor and 15fps mech shutter. If these aren't enough to make you give up some 90D/7D2 minor features then this camera isn't for you. And that's fine. I'm a 90D and 7D2 user and I'm ready to dump both, they're old tech, slow to focus on moving targets and no eye focus and just plain tired.
I was considering on getting the R7, as a second body to my great R5. I had the first 7D, and also the 7Dmk2, which I loved. But I'm disappointed. I'm not looking for toys i was expecting for a mirrorless 7Dmk 3... Not for me
I could cut and paste this ... as my story is the same one
EOS-M users don't want it because it's too big. 7D users don't want it because it's not professional enough. Both hate the slow f/6.3 lenses. Great job Canon, no one wanted this, lol.
My thoughts exactly! I want a mirrorless 7D but this sounds like such a letdown since I’m used to the R5 now!
I totally agree with you. With the quality of this viewfinder, I would not call it a successor to the 7D.
Try watching Jared Polin's review. It's a hands on review. He actually used it. Instead of looking at pictures of the camera and talking garbage. This review is not a review it is a leaking from the fool at SonyAlpha Rumours. Even the Sony fans don't listen to him.
I wonder if the R7 will be good with the sigma unstabilized lenses (50-100 and 18-35 ef-s), as the quality sometimes is not that great in low light without a tripod. Hoping that the IBIS helps making these lenses even stronger, then I would seriously consider this camera.
The 18-35 already works very well with the stabilisation in the R5 (albeit all EF-S lenses force it into crop mode which is only 17mp, so less demanding than the 32.5mp of the R7). The 50-100 works fine until you zoom past about 65mm, which is to be expected; sensor stabilisation is always less effective on focal lengths upwards of 80mm or so, and 65mm with the 1.6x crop is equivalent to 104mm, so there you go.
So, assuming the stabilisation in the R7 is at least as good as the R5's-and in fact Canon are claiming it's slightly better-there should be no reason the Sigma zooms won't work well on it.
That said, even on the R5 with the battery grip the 50-100 is extremely awkward to use, since it has so much weight hanging so far out in front of the body. Putting it on an even smaller body isn't going to help that. Using 'normal' f/2.8 zooms on the R gets you better balance with the same final image, as long as you don't need the burst speed.
I use the old 400 mm 5.6 with a 2x on a r6 snd the ibis helps a tad it’s not brill but better than nothing
Hey Tony, why did Canon (& others) stop flying you out to pre-launch events?
sir please me ... z50 or r10 ... best or ..both ..video and photo ...
Yeah, that's disappointing. They shouldn't have bothered with an APS-C line up at all if they weren't going to do the mirrorless 7D. That's the only reason I would have found it justified.
I agree, if it's just meant for people buying cheap cameras with a kit lens and perhaps down the road buying one more lens, they should have stuck with the well liked M series.
You're right, the R7 is not the mirrorless 7D...it's much better than the 7D.
The R7 makes the 7D look like an artifact of the past.
@@markroberts6926 Disingenuous reply. Any mirrorless camera could be argued as being "better". That isn't the point being made.
Not sure how this isn't better that the 7d2 in almost very way?????? More mp, ibis, uncomparable af system, faster frame rate, plus the latest mirrorless tech. 7d is dead. Move on
@@d_dave7200 Not true. For what the 7D line was best for, cameras like the R were not good at all. The R7, with the exception of build quality and EVF/LCD, is a fine ML follow-on to the 7D, and at a very good price. Once paired with the RF 100-500, a Canon shooter will have a very capable rig. Of course, less expensive options exist with the EF 100-400 or the RF 100-400, or the RF 800/600 F11, or even third party EF 150-600. The R7 makes for a rich set of options for the Canon weekend warrior wildlife shooter.
Is There 4K Apature Video Mode?
A year ago you said Canon deletes the shutter button on the R7. A year later it’s out and has a shutter button. Are there any advantages of having both a mechanical and electronic shutter?
Tony you are going to get your hands on these bodies for a shoot and review? Would like to hear your thoughts on both stills and vid, esp for sports
Any idea how the autofocus compares to the latest Sony aps-c cameras ??
What's with SonyRumors leaking Canon info?
Just pre-ordered my R7 this morning! after watching your comments a few days ago I was very excited and didn't think it would be ready to pre-order so quickly.... I also watched Jared Polin's preview of these two cameras and I was sold!
Dude you have to remember the target market for these cameras. We all can’t afford $4000 bodies!
The Canon M6 mark ii had a AF/MF switch on the back of the body.
And follow focus which is absolutely insane! 🤓🥳
@@LeopoldoManuelRamirezMena Have you shot sports with the M6ii? Is it good for sports?
@@slimphotog I usually shoot racing cars, Formula E and so... Also with the electronic shutter it goes ridiculously fast, and ypu can also do Preshoot and then pick the best picture. 🤯 It's awesome!
Recently switched to mirrorless EOS R. Thought about waiting to see what the specs on the new cameras would look like. Glad I purchased the R.
Thinking of updating from the 1Ds Mark 3, doesn’t sound like either of these are the camera to get. Looking at the R5 after watching your comparisons of the R5 and New R6. Sounds like that’s the way to go, ya think?
The R6 is more comparable to the 1d line. Has the better low light due to less pixel density and since it's only 20MP it has a way way longer buffer.
As someone who used to have a 1Ds3-though I upgraded more incrementally years ago-I'd say either of the R or R5 are the most direct replacements for the 1Ds line. I mean, if you insist on going mirrorless, that is. When it launched I bought the 1Ds3 because it had the highest resolution and best overall image quality (UK marketing always said the 's' stood for 'studio') available at the time; in that regard, a 5DS R is still the best Canon replacement, since Canon don't offer anything to beat that 50mp sensor with no AA filter. But yeah, in the mirrorless world, the 30mp R or 45mp R5 would be the way to go.
The R6 will represent a significant speed increase over the 1Ds, with about one stop more dynamic range and half a stop less noise. But it's not as fully-sealed. Personally, I had an R6 for only a little while and didn't like it, but I could afford to upgrade to the R5 and I recognise that not everyone can. If that 20mp resolution is enough for you and you feel you need the speed then yeah, the R6 would make sense over the 1Ds. But take away the speed advantage and there's not really much point; you can get a more significant increase in image quality from any number of SLRs, or just the original R.
The R5 gives you much better image quality in every way, more speed if you need that, all the fancy mirrorless tech (though usefulness is subjective), and keeps roughly the same level of sealing as the 1Ds. So if you can afford the R5 and you want a 'full' upgrade over the 1Ds, the R5 is the way to go.
Just bear in mind you'll either need to buy new lenses as well, or put up with adapting lenses which in some cases can make for very awkward handling, as the R bodies end up with their grips further from the lenses and the whole rig always ends up feeling longer than with an SLR, even though on paper the total length is pretty much the same. Especially with any lens about 85mm or longer, it puts more strain on your wrist, and can be harder to balance on a tripod if the lens doesn't have a tripod collar. So, depending on how exactly you use your cameras and what lenses you need, you might want to rethink jumping to RF. There are still some situations where SLRs are simply more practical.
If you have the 1DxM3 go straight to EOS R3. Same battery and leaps ahead of any other body on the market and I used all brands. The 24mpxl stacked BSI is in a class by itself. Move forward my brother; don't let folks here who do not have the equipment nor have tried it tell you otherwise... GO STRAIGHT TO THE R3; you as a 1DxM3 user will not regret it.
for some strange reason your sound for this video bud is not working i have tried everything?? it will just not go off the mute not sure if anybody is having this issue
I might be willing with an R10 as an M50 replacement, just to streamline the lens mount as it seems to be of a similar compact size, but even if the R7 was a full-on flagship APS-C mirrorless, I probably wouldn't be interested or have enough use for it over the R5 to consider one.
Depends on what happens for the video record limit in the R5. Just struggled with long term video in my R5 (annoying to look out for the 30 min limit). Also, the additional reach for wildlife is great, just using the same lenses. I guess the R7 will get on the way to me as a secondary body.
There are a lot of good and affordable EF-S and EF APS-C lenses that can be adapted to these cameras. Since they have the RF mount, all the available EF-RF mount adapters should be able to be used on them, and those adapters are great. Not only do they open up these new cameras to a plethora of great glass, the adapters themselves come in several types that offer versatility. Whether it be a straight up ability to connect EF to RF, or to provide a control ring that isn't available on older lenses, or to insert filters (CPL or VND) into the adapter instead of the front of the lens, or to provide a boost to speed and widen FOV, these adapters are great. And this is just the adapters available now. There's always the possibility that future adapters provide different functions like adding tilt-shift or macro or become straight up teleconverters. And while the Canon adapters may be somewhat pricey, there are also a lot of 3rd parties getting in on the action and, based on reviews, have been performing quite admirably at the job.
If you don't mind the front loaded weight that results from these combinations, adapting EF lenses may be the better option for budget minded RF-S users.
I agee! EF-S 15-85 and the EF 70-200 4.0 IS work very well on my M50s for video and photo and will do the same with the R7 (I have preordered).
EF-S 60 and EF 100 (non-IS) macro give me a ~100mm and 160mm Macro plus the RF 1.8 35 is a great standard lens with IS + good aperture + 1:2 Macro capability if there is not enough light or I want to walk around with a light package.
Well, if this is true it's a joke. As a wildlife photographer I was really looking forward to mirrorless version of 7D II, speed, great ergonomics, tough build with weather sealing and 1.6 crop factor for extra reach, would be a great addition to a full frame, especially for birds. I'd buy it instantly but this thing looks nothing like that. Ergonomics look just terrible, awfull.
So true, I'm even more in a pickle now, as I was holding off the decision to move to 7D2 from M50 (bought as all purpose, but picked up quite a hobby for wildlife). I think I'll just buy a second hand 7D2 unless the prices really start skyrocketing and half decent deals are over 😢
@@buggersofoz The M6 Mk II has a much better physical controls layout than this R7. Possibly the same sensor, does 14fps mechanical and 30fps 18MP raw shots with an extra 1.3x crop on top of the already 1.6x crop. It runs rings around a 7Dii but doesn't have the weather-sealing.
@@cooloox thanks! have to look closer at M6II. I have considered it, but only with the attached EVF (I barely ever frame using the screen) or 90D. The latter has the same sensor, but better battery, built in VF (optical). That makes the optical AF system less reliable than the 65-point in 7D2. The question is whether DualPixel (M6II) is better than 49-point you get with D90 if you're shooting through the VF... I know 7DII trumps them all in terms of accuracy and customisation, but TBH, I do like the NFC and WiFi in my M50...
And R7 is official now... officially undercooked. Starting to think if OM systems could actually counter it with something like OM-5, putting amazing animal detection skills in a cheaper package (and smaller with lend than an R7 with what will have to start as full-size RF lenses)....
Actually this camera gives you all that. Try looking at a proper hand on review from Jared Polin. He's a professional photgrapher, as in, a very good professional photographer. His reviews are pretty unbiased and he actually took some pictures with the camera and he didn't look the spec up on SonyAlpha Rumours!
Should I get an R7 or a used 5d mark 4
How is it with full frame lenses with the adapter. For example a sigma 150-600mm Contemporary for wild life.
I think I really hate the new design of joystick with dial wheel. I own R5 I expected to get a second camera as a crop sensor for more flexibility in photography. I wish it could be designed the same as R6 or even R.
Yeah me too but that aside I still want it lol
Just my opinion but I don’t think Canon is listening to their customers or the consumers of other brands. They really don’t seem to have a wow factor that Sony and Nikon have when they release a new camera. Again, just my opinion. I could be completely wrong but I think Canon needs some fresh blood in their leadership and innovation positions.
This has been my experience as a Canon shooter too. It's going to take another company to rock them before they evolve.
Mister Nerd , you are exactly right Canon is not listening Canon is just building cheap cameras that's all this R7 is , it's just the cheap camera it is not the replacement of the 7D MkII that it was supposed to be it's that simple .
The R7 is most likely going to be the mirrorless version of the Nikon D500. It is the camera Nikon should have made, but didn’t. Several reviews have shown the R7 to be an excellent wildlife, portrait, and video vlogging camera. The R7 has some excellent low light and tracking abilities. So far, the R7 has shown to have good AF and seems to be quite reliable.
I totally agree with you. R7 should be a professional camera which shares the same design as other full frame pro-grade cameras. The camera market is shifting to the high-end market in which mobile phones can’t fill. I think that Canon’s decision for R7 is absolutely wrong.
"Something I've never seen before, a physical AF/MF switch."
*cries in M6 Mark II*
"I've never seen a physical AF/MF switch on a canon before, canon always puts them on the lens not the body"
Canon EOS M6 II: RRRREEEEEEEEEEEE
Sooooo, SonyAlphaRumors released this? Did I hear that right at the start of this Canon Cameras talk?
I have the 5D4 and 100-400!! And almost only use for walkabout birding. Was about to upgrade to R5 … then the R7 comes out. Do I change my mind and save some cash and go for the R7?
Used EOS R are going to make a lot more sense for photography for 90 percent of people.
Thats what I did. I upgraded from my old 5D Classic which was my first camera that someone basically gave to me about 6 months ago (because I wanted to learn), to an EOS R recently. I got my R for like $1400 off KEH. I'm glad I learned the basics on an older camera because these mirrorless cameras make shooting so much easier.
Pangolin has now published the 7 and 10 hands on review lite FYI
everyone hand on r7 review drops wheres yours!
It reminds all the reasons why I dumped my Canon gear!
And now I’m happy I pulled trigger on R6 last week at only couple hundred more than R7 and no waiting 👍🏻
Those mad people are the ones not invited to Florida for the release 🤣
Someone knows if the eos R7 will work with a 500mm f 4 IS L Mark I? Burst rate?
Tony, I have a feeling they are coming out with these two models first to see what the market is like for Aps-c cameras these days. From what I have found out the 7dmkii camera was more expensive when it first came out than the new R7. If the market shows strong sales for these two cameras, I think they will develope a higher end version with stronger pro-like features in the future. I used to be an instore rep for Canon and I always have used the Aps-d cameras even for shooting weddings and I started a mobile portrait studion, where I could shoot print and frame using Canon printers and lights and backdrops! I taught
myself this idea while demonstrating Canon cameras and printers in the store setups to demonstrate how well the cameras shoot and the printers print quality photos.
Now I have done everything from wedding shoots to sports, air show. and car shows also. It would be nice to see a comparison shoot with the new R7 vs. the R, or the R6 when doing portraits and weddings as well as animal and bird, or landscapes to compare full frame cameras and the Aps-c cameras. That way customers can really see the difference in using both cameras in pro and personal use.
I hope that people run from the R7 like they should. Maybe that will force Canon to deliver the 7D mk2 replacement that we have been asking for.
I would like to go for R10 but Im not sure if I should pick R7 because of IBIS.
I would use the camera for handheld photography.
What do you suggest, does it worth paing extra to have IBIS?
Yeah
Tony... Here's some things to consider why that R7 might not be as bad as we think...
Sensor readout might not be too bad considering it will be a smaller APS-C sensor vs FF. The 32Mpx sensor will have more information than the R6 sensor so for Wildlife Photography using RF L mount big zooms you will have an advantage. This is a mild R7 and the Mk2 version that will follow will have a better EVF and faster card slots but how long will that take. What would be nice is if they made it super easy to transfer files to your phone with a greatly improved App.
The 7d did NOT have CF express….. just the old Compact Flash…
I was looking forward to the R7 and ready to buy my first mirrorless camera. However the poor resolution of the EVF and screen might stop me. I'd be happy to pay £100 or £200 (I'm from the UK) more for higher resolution.
What do the camera pick look like I am not worry about how pretty the camera are so me pic made with these cameras
When Tony ripped off the first pair of glasses, I was doubtful of the news. But, when he ripped off that second pair, I KNEW he meant business!
The glasses homage to “Airplane” was clutch👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
I shoot Micro 4/3s and hoping for a Panasonic G10 to replace my G9. I feel the Canon user's pain, a 7Dmk3 the R7 might not be, still would like to see what the R7 can do paired with the Canon 800mm F11. Currently, I use the G9 paired with the Panasonic 100-400mm F6.3 (200-800mm F12.6). This combo will set you back around $2500 new, which will be really close to the R7 paired with that 800mm F11.
So Eos-M is dead??
I want to upgrade for the speed of the newer R series cameras but I am not able to justify the cost of the R5/R6 as I don’t shoot professionally and those that I do shoot aren’t able to pay much right now. I’d love the R7 over R6
the same, waiting to see what an RP2 will bring.
I think we're both in the don't by Canon at the moment boat. Since the R and RP came out, Sony has updated their cheapest FF body 2 times. And Nikon came from nowhere with a good for the money, Z5
You weren't invited at official presentation by Canon ??
Tony I would love to hear your thoughts on wether a r7 is a upgrade from the r6 solely for bird photography
and then get a full frame body for landscapes what’s your thoughts cheers 🍻
I’m not mad… I’m quite interested in the R7. The R6 does not have as much resolution as I would like and the R5 is overpriced for me. The R7 is a good compromise
I suggest you put in an order for the r7 right now. It’s the camera you want. Canon has done an outstanding job with these feature sets at a price that many can jump in with. They have several lens options that ease you into the system. Keeping the body light in weight means you can use the adapter with EF lenses. Its a killer deal.
@@RogerZoul where can I order mine?
Why would you want/need an A/M focus switch on the camera? I dont get it.
I was hoping to save up for the R, but lacking of IBIS and no CLog was kind of a bummer that I was willing to bite my tongue over because the next step up was the R6...with a 30%-40% price jump. But now with the R7 and me coming off the M50 with a handful of adapted EFS lenses anyway, I think its a much better choice for me.
so the R and Rp will be discontinued? I'd prefer a low-end but full frame camera as a backup to my R5!
i like your dual glasses breaking news intro hahaha. it should be a meme. keep it up. lol
I wonder if the buffer limitations are part of the software update. Seems most camera manufacturers create a software update shortly after launch.
Why are the cameras on the table out of focus?
i'll stick to the M50, those specs are not worth giving up the ability to use the efm lenses for compact and light carry or to use the efm lenses as companion lenses to a main ef lens
that shopping mall mom looking for a camera to shoot the kids with, she will go for the M50 for price and compactness, canon will loose a big slice of the entry level market if they get rid of the M50.
I mean it makes sense for Canon to unify the mount because the M mount is pretty much dead with no future.
The M6 Mk II would be a very worthy upgrade for you.
Agreed.
APSC should be a cheap entry point into photography and there needs to be a cheap compact version (even if the mount won't be developed further).
@@cooloox i had thought about it and i may get one as a third body just to us on my longer wildlife lenses the 100-400 and 150-600 ( i have two M50)
i would only get one if it were cheap enough as the mp gain isn't that much
i have also thought about the 5dsr for the same, a high res for astro planets and some wildlife stuff
i could afford the R5 but there is alot that i would need to change as well like computer size and storage etc because of the massive amount in data size
this also is another down side to the higher mp cameras better res lenses and more storage needed
M50 is a nice place to be for a beginner or amateur photographer
I was expecting upgrade of 90D but it seem like it's mirrorless version with more expensive lenses. I am looking to spend my €2000 on decent camera with kit lens (general purposes) + macro 1:1 lens (for scale models photography mainly) but I just can't seem to find anything better than D7500 + 18-140 + Sigma 105mm F2.8. Mirrorless cameras in this price range are small and offer no IBIS (which I enjoy on my Pentax K-x). There is Fuji X-S10 but fuji lenses (to grow later) are expensive, however main drawback is small size and low number of physical buttons. I could get used to navigate with touchscreen when having session on tripod at home, however when I'm out to make photos I prefer to have as many settings easily accessible as possible. I'd really like to switch to mirrorless but with budget under €1800 for body only it's like a big trade-off and actually step-back from corresponding price DSLRs.
In December I could get EOS 90D + 18-135 + Sigma 105 for €1850, now it costs €2100. Second choice was Nikon D7500 set for € 1600, now it costs €1850.
It is very good to get your opinion about the evf and the facts about writing speed to sd UHS vs CF card, I was very thrilled about the R7 I got a reason to upgrade my 7d which have served me for a decade now, but got something to think about, and certainly have to check out when it’s released.
Hi Tony what does that giveaway alert mean?🤔😃
How can they launch new cameras when they cannot ship already existing models due to chip crisis?
I like how clear you look in the video, but the cameras and laptop are fuzzy. I’m learning as much as I can and I’m sure there’s a good reason why they are fuzzy
I'll be curious to see how it compares to sony a6600. I wanted a 90d, but mirrorless and better video features. I would get the a6600, but Sony ergonomics and menus just look stressful to use.
I was waiting for the R7 for so long and now that is finally out I have to say that I'm disappointed just like many others. I'm really considering the Fuji xh2s with the fx 150 to 600 instead of the R7 with the RF 100 to 500 and was wondering if you could make a comparison video on these two combos for wildlife and sport photography. Thanks in advance.
I agree with everything you said Tony, I'd rather they called it an R70. This feels like going back to the EOS R days when they were 'figuring things out'.. except now they should know what they're doing and no need to make an R7 with crappy button layout that's totally new and unfamiliar. I'd like to see an APSC camera with identical button layout to my R5 and R6... that to me is the true R7!
I just hope we're not waiting 4-5 years for a MK ii to come out...
To distinguish from full frame sensored cameras, these APS-C cameras should have two digit numbers or even with different alphabets. Say a U70.
Why do they screw up with their first set of models. With full frame they added a slider on EoS R which everyone hated. Now with crop sensor they messed up again
Thanks for the comments on the EVF. I need to compare to the R6.
So, your saying I should stick to my 90d and M6 Mkii. I’m not spending another 1000+ for the same thing but mirrorless so I’ll just upgrade to a proper full camera. Thanks for the info…look forward to a more in-depth review
thanks for the information. how would you rate them against the EOS R?
The R is great for stills but not for action shots or wildlife. I have the R and like it for stills. Nice images.
@@markguerin6071 Thanks for your reply. I guess we will see soon if the new R models are any better. For me 1080 is good enough for family things.
It depends of your needs, FF vs Full-Frame = Big SUV vs Corolla. If you need it for portraits and low light, go for FF. If you need it for sports and wildlife, go for the highest fps
Does this mean Canon’s APS-C mirrorless cameras have finally almost caught up with the Samsung NX1 from 2014?
I just want to say I noticed and appreciated that you did the breaking news gag twice with two sets of glasses on your face.
Hi, I would like some advice ... in these days the Fujifilm x-h2s will be presented but if the price were to be around 3000 dollars it would be out of my reach. This is why I was thinking about the x-t4. Now the Canon R7 is presented ... according to your experience which one do you recommend to buy between the 2. I confess that I am attracted but a little intimidated by the Fuji system, but my dream remains the x-h2s especially if it were to support 6k 60fps :)
Well I did want to buy the R7 because I do own a 7DmkII and I LOVE IT! Guess I'll just have to wait awhile and see what the future holds
I am pretty happy with these specs and have pre ordered the R7. I have and use a 7D mark 2 but its heavy to use handheld and I was looking to downsize. I have purchased and love Olympus OMD EM Mark 3 but it is limiting with 20 MP. The R7 is 33MP with fantastic autofocus and 15 FPS Mechanical shutter and much smaller and lighter for $300 less than my 7D Mark 2 that i brought 7 years ago. As i remember when i brought the 7d Mark 2 there were many negative reviews.
I started shooting wildlife as a pro about 40 years ago, and I have the R5 and R6. Both great cameras for their purposes. But the R7 gives that extra cropping and pixel density boost at the long end and I too, like Tony, was pining for a MILC evolution of the 7D series - particularly looking for a top-end sensor, great buffer, serious weather proofing and fast cards.
Initially, I was quite keen on this camera, but after delving more into it, my enthusiasm has somewhat tempered...
The lack of BSI and stacking on the sensor is a lost opportunity IMHO for a camera in a market at the high end - where I was expecting it to be placed. More cameras, (esp. Sony, a big rival) are bringing those in to manage the throughput from electronic shutter and reduce shutter lag. This lag is extremely pronounced at the 30 FPS, rather crippling the benefits of it. My Sony Rx-10MkIV, vintage 2017 has a stacked sensor already! Also, according to Pangolin Wildlife's review, Canon said that the R7 has LESS weather sealing than the R5 and R6, which seems counter-intuitive, considering it is likely to be subjected to the element by pro users.
Then we get to the buffer and cards. Certainly, considering the frame rate, and the benefits of shooting RAW, it needs a serious buffer, and I'm not convinced it has that. I think that for the function of this camera, a pair of dual CF Express Type A card slots, with backward compatibility to SD cards, would have been a winner, and might have put less stress on the buffer.
The movement of the control wheel I am undecided about; however, I am disappointed that the back buttons for focus and exposure locks have been moved - as Tony says, moving them just adds another level of change when moving between bodies. I have less issue with the loss of the top LCD , but a higher-resolution EVF for shooting would be very welcome.
Finally, no sign of a battery grip yet, given the way that one is likely to go through batteries, and the light weight of the camera body, with a heavy super telephoto attached, the improvement in balance would be welcome. Also, shooting with longer, heavier super tele lenses (often used by wildlife and sports photographers who would be a potential market for this), having a set of controls for use in portrait mode is ergonomically far more convenient.
I have the distinct feeling that Canon have watered down what was a great camera series to something lesser and rather half-hearted: rather like the original R and RP were a rather tepid dipping of toes in the MILCy waters.
I was really looking forward to the R7 as a pro-level crop-sensor DSLR, but I may wait for the MkII to come out when they might finally produce a camera worthy of the mark. Fuji are apparently releasing new versions of their X-T and X-H bodies soon, maybe I shall look at them...
Agree
R7. This is just disappointing. Was going to spend the money. Not now.
The R7 is a great camera to pull out for wildlife and small birds when you need extra reach. Not ideal for a primary wildlife camera, but as a supplement to an R5 or R6 when you need the reach, or as a light weight hiking camera, I think this camera fits the bill. Buffer is the biggest disappointment, but it's something you can learn to live with. It's unlikely that Canon would put a CF Express card in here when they don't have that in the R6. Also, the 7d ii took CF cards, not CF Express. I don't think those cards even existed when it came out. With the larger file size on the R7 you definitely need to pay attention to the write speed on your card, and get the fastest you can. I think this camera would have been better with a 24 megapixel sensor. Though 32 enhances it's usefulness for small and distant wildlife, since you not only have the 1.6 crop, but the ability to crop as well. Canon does claim "all new" enhancements in the sensor. This camera is much more than something mom and dad pick up at Target to take pictures of the kids. I think it will find it's way onto the camera bags of a lot of serious photographers, not as a primary, but as a very capable back up.
Some of the compliments you gave do, in fact, make the R7 a compelling reason to make it a primary camera, especially for wildlife.
How would you say the $1,500 EOS R7 (your price) compares to the $1,700 EOS R?
A higher resolution EVF is always appreciated. But what about the refresh rate on the EVF?
The refresh rate goes up to 120 HZ, when smooth option is selected.
@@ytr8989 Much thanks.
I don't think the R7 has eye detect autofocus based on the picture from the back. It doesn't seem to have the sensor array for it instead opting for the normal presence sensor on the right.
What does this mean for the EOS M system?
Farewell?
I waited for years for the 7D III and finally gave up. I switched to Sony mirrorless two years ago, when Canon put out the crappy EOS R. I was anxious that the R7 would make me regret the switch - but if these specs are correct, I am happily a Sony shooter for the foreseeable future.
Tbh I feel like real successor to 7d is the R3 i know its not aps-c but i feel like r3 target customer is same as 7d.
It looks like some phishing Tony xD "i have something for you message in the internet is always bad xD"
15fps is great for wildlife, and it's APS-C. Love the IBIS, animal and vehicle tracking. But I think Canon could have gone further with this. The FTP and IPTC in camera has been left out, which is disappointing. As a reportage shooter, this is handy on the R6, R5 and R3. It's pretty much a must have for me. I wish they would also give the option for MRAW and SRAW when top resolution isn't wanted.
the 15-35 f4 lens is still an f4 lens on the aps-c sensor, not f6.3. it might give the depth of field of an f6.3 lens on aps-c but its still f4 as far as exposure goes.
I have an R6. I'm a birder hot for the R7 crop factor. Problem we such see is ISO capability. Can we still get enough light fast enough to support our high shutter speeds? Typical daylight, 1/2000 second at maybe 5000 ISO. The 90D comparison scares us into thinking not.
DPReview just uploaded both of these camera you guys can go check it out the camera are preproduction units but they did mention its full production accept for the 18-150