@@davideckert2889 I love that (seemingly) hour long super-jam version of Wicked World. I borrowed a bunch of Sabbath LPs from my boss in college and that was one of them. Drank it all up as I was just getting into hard rock and metal.
All great music journalists. I'm not ALWAYS keen on Martin's opinion of certain albums, musicians, or songs, but those are opinions for you. He's still very educated, I just feel he occasionally has a higher opinion of certain material that feels to me like it is clearly inferior to other things he gives lukewarm reviews on. Regardless, he has gotten money and relatively famous for his opinion at times.
When you have Pete Pardo, Martin Popoff, and Chris Alo on a video together - you know it's going to be great. I love the Pete/Martin videos. But Chris adds an additional element that makes these collaborations unique. Thanks!
Respectfully disagree about the jamming. I like the jamming/extended solos. That’s when you see the true creativity of the band. Plus it adds variety to the show, instead of being a carbon copy of studio songs. If it sounds and is played exactly like the studio version, then what makes the live version special?
I honestly think it brings to question his credibility on criticizing the greatest forms of music, Prog Rock, Hard Rock and especially Heavy Metal. Someone that has a problem listening to a John Bonham drum solo? Keep you opinion to yourself and go buy a Pop album.
I’m a little in the middle. I’m not a huge fan of extreme jamming, but I’m not a huge fan of carbon copies either. I like live albums that are somewhere in the middle.
I've loved Rainbow on Stage since I first heard it! Ronnie had such an amazing voice back then and was able to improvise with his voice really well, so songs like Still I'm Sad are a goldmine for him to explore his range, of which he did!
Agree with Pete on Intensities in 10 Cities. Juvenile and silly. The part of Nugents career where he lost me. Probably the low point of the post Derek St. Holmes years.
Yeah, I felt my blood pressure rise regarding his disparaging remarks about On Stage. Different strokes for different folks. I personally love On Stage. Always have. Always will. If there's ANY negative thing for me to say about On Stage is that it doesn't have Stargazer. But I've got a ton of bootlegs that have it so it's all good.
Unfortunately one person on the panel has no appreciation of musicians who branch out beyond the studio song, he hates Made in Japan as well. In his book he barely mentions the album. Dismissing Catch the Rainbow, which has some amazing performances from Cozy, Ritchie and Ronnie and Mistreated has an amazing guitar solo, poor and conceited. What's not to like about musicians who can play, improvise, create?
Iron Maiden - A Real Dead One - It was released in October '93 after Bruce had already announced that he'd leave the band. It has poor production and the band is not at their best.
Great as always! Have You ever considered to display the album cover in the corner of the videoframe while discussing the album. This would be helpful since the display of the album often is short and easy to miss :-)
As a teenager, I was a huge Kiss fan! Their first “Alive!” album was iconic to me! “Alive 2”, was the last Kiss album I ever bought! It had many songs I loved, but I knew it was over for me. I had moved on EDIT: I DID buy Double Platinum! I got it because my early collection was on 8-tracks and self-destructed over time, and it did have most of the songs I did love at one time!
I disagree completely with Popoff on his take on Rainbow live and instrumental music. Though, as a bassist, I wholeheartedly agree with his take on bass and drum solos. It’s a piss break, which I would take if it meant I didn’t have to pee my pants, so we don’t do them. Great show!
This is like listening to 3 friends in the pub having a discussion, great stuff even if I don't agree with everything said here, but that's what makes it interesting. Always thought Live On Stage is a disappointing live album. The band plays well on it, but I agree with Martin, the song choices are puzzling at best. No Stargazer or Tarot Woman or Starstruck or Light In The Black.
Yeah,I was such a big Blackmore and Rainbow fan at the time,but was kind of disappointed with the song choices. Catch the Rainbow is nice and Blackmore does some nice soloing, but it wasted a whole side of a vinyl. Still I'm Sad has some good passages, but still that amount of time on vinyl could have been filled with some of the songs you mentioned.
loved dio era rainbow,but yes i was too dissapointed with rainbow live on stage,starts of great with kill the king,then just sort of meanders,and i dont mind long extended jams,but not the ones on that album,when i first heard it,i thought it must be some hastily put together contractual thing
The thing with Dazed and Confused on TSRTS is the song is only used as a vehicle for Zep to incorporate a load of unrelated covers into their set - for example the lyrics to “if you’re going to san Francisco” is in there musically backed by something similar to what would eventually become Achilles Last Stand. Out of the 26 minutes I’d say only around half of it is taken up by something you’d recognise as Dazed and Confused found on LZ1. It works for me although it’s not something I’d listen to frequently for sure
Pete - this is a legendary, perfect combo of guests - can this become a regular panel of Pardo, Popoff, and Alo ? This in my opinion, is your best combination of celebrity guests!
I've always loved Exit Stage Left. When I got into Rush as an adolescent, it was basically a greatest hits comp of the bands most popular period. That being said, the arguments against it are completely valid. We need a remixed and expanded version so hard.
Disagree with On Stage, the sound is amazing and I do like the long stretched out versions. Worst live albums for me: Rush - Exit Stage Left Black Sabbath - Live Evil Van Halen - Tokyo Dome, haven't heard the whole album but enough to to know it isn't great ( bad albums with great covers)
Brizzie Leif - the ONLY Rush album that I love is All the Worlds a Stage. The rest, including Exit Stage Left are so obsessed with reproducing the studio version that I find no point in listening to them.
I love Rainbow on stage I only wish that there is more Rising songs I think the band is perfect and Ronnie was brilliant. On stage is a fantastic document of a greatness that Rainbow was with Dio. Song remains the same for me is a great album it was the album that made me love rock music.
For me the most disappointing live album was "Queen Live Magic". I was at the Wembley concert, and couldn't wait to get this live lp. When I got it I'm like "Where's the rest of it?!" A ridiculously truncated highlights package which sounded like it had been spliced by a three year old. They even cut out the operatic section of Bohemian rhapsody. Fortunately they did bring out the full version "Live at Wembley" later, although I still prefer "Live Killers".
Since I heard Martin Popoff saying he didn't like Made In Japan, I thought he was not the right guy to be commenting on live 70's albums. Made in Japan and The Song Remains the Same are all time favorites to me. And if he thinks not even How The West Was Won is great Zeppelin, I don't think he likes the band, although he wrote a book on them.
The only problem with ''Catch The Rainbow'' from On Stage is it isn't long enough! Blackmore & Dio creating 15:35 of sonic bliss! ...While A Show Of Hands may not be the best live Rush album, it ends with a great version of Closer To The Heart.
Aerosmith Bootleg Live features sloppy performances, sonic unevenness and not enough deep cuts. Live album during this band's peak should have been so much better.
I bought ‘Bootleg live’ the day it was released. And I always liked it. I could finally hear Aerosmith live. Sure it’s a bit raw around the edges, but I have no problem with that. I enjoy it to this day.
One word for this show.....Magic. Great laughs and interesting choices and not everyone in agreement. Makes for fun viewing and many laugh out loud moments. So thanks to Chris, Martin and you too, Pete, for getting this Trinity together. Hope to see some additional shows with the three of you. Thanks again, guys!
@@alexandergilles8583 They released a live album during their last tour but, unfortunately it was recent performances & not during the golden age of Roth.
"The Song Remains the Same" is Zeppelin live at that time. Per Jimmy Page, they were able to stretch some songs, be creative, and find new ground while having fun. Also, it was the 70s, and many bands had lengthy jam type songs. That's how it was back then.
@@capnzilog oh thats a good way to look at it, yea like a different perspective to the song, I do that myself but with Black Sabbath bootlegs, Ian Gillan does the Ozzy stuff great, he sounds evil, and Tony Martin/Dio give the songs a fresh take
Sharon's intent was always to do a Sabbath covers album at that point because some publishing deal expired and they would cash in. That's at least per Rudy Sarzo in his excellent bio of the Ozzy years. Rhoades said he wouldn't do it and Ozzy slapped him across his face. Eventually they compromised that Rhoades would do the Sabbath covers album, a third studio album and then leave to become a solo artist.
Chris said Venom members arent good musicians....so why would you be a fan? ive never heard anything by them but if a group arent good musicians, i'm out
@@gatorguyblue The Sex Pistols? musicianship is not connected to popularity. Have you seen the charts? I have never heard Venom, but now I sort of have to...
In my opinion listening to Venom is a waste of time. They are really bad, it was the image and hype around Black Metal that made them big. Mercyful Faith was far better, but that, again, is my opinion.
Guns N' Roses "Live Era". The only album I actually threw out after listening to it. Literally.....I stared at it for a few seconds and then tossed it. Something tells me Martin had no problem finding 3 live albums he doesn't like :-) Unlike Martin and Chris, I look forward to listening to extended or alternate versions of songs that are often included on live albums.
The only decent live they made was the fake live like a suicide (it's great despite being fake). They always kind of sucked live especially Axl voice got fucked up pretty early in their existence.
The secret with extended or long jam versions is moderation. Adding a minute or two, that's okay. Even having a set couple songs that a band usually drops some solos in to works. But, as he pointed out in an earlier video, a six song set that lasts 90+ minutes, I can't take. I think a lot of it is based in 70's excess and prog pretentiousness. The Moody Blues, Yes, and Deep Purple (among others) were famous (or infamous if you don't like it) for going into long experimental pieces that just wouldn't end.
I have a different view about Show of Hands. The first Rush album I bought. Had no idea who they were but the gatefold pictures were so cool. Opened my world to a whole range of interesting and varied music. It was a life changing record for me. The version of Marathon on the album remains my favourite version of any Rush song. Always skip Mystic rythms though.
Power Windows needs more love, man!.... Top to bottom, an incredible listen... What's your issue with Mystic Rhythms?... I think it's one of Rushs most adventurous songs.....
A Show Of Hands is a good performance, everything sounds solid it’s just that the song selection comes from what I think is a weak era for the band (80s pop era). But heck Witch Hunt sounds freaking amazing
Funny ..when I saw this topic, "Exit Stage Left" was the first to come to mind and I am a huge Rush fan...even the "synth" albums...as a pro keyboard player. those 80.s albums were very influential.....I know a lot of old guitar players who are reconsidering this period....Alex was using alternate tunings and doing creative unorthodox things....a good chunk of their live show always featured these songs....
Great discussion gentlemen . I'm usually not a big fan of the long stretched out live songs either . However , the live version of No Quarter on The Song Remains the Same is sensational . Otherwise , I generally like the songs to be more reigned in. I look forward to future videos from you.
Agree on Intensities in 10 cities, awful. Do love Show of Hands , but, agree a couple big omissions on Stage Left. Last few live albums basically just included enough discs to capture pretty much everything they played!!
Another great show...I have to sort of agree with Martin on Stairway to Heaven. I liked it when I was younger, but now it’s on my list of songs I’ve heard so many times I never need to hear them again as long as I live. Pete, that’s a future topic!!
@@davel7791 - The video concert version of *Caught Live in the Act* was worst than the album. They did a mini play of Kilroy. That mini play ripped the heart out of Styx. Return to Paradise should of been their first live album. Much much better.
@@kevinthetruckdriver353 Return to Paradise CD and DVD are incredible. I saw them on that tour. Could have died happy that night seeing my first rock heroes reunited (minus John). They still sound good on Caught in the Act, though, in my opinion.
Who's Last is a sad story. The original idea was to put out a live anthology with some live stuff with Moon, some stuff from the '79 tour when Kenney Jones was playing better and only a bit of stuff from the '82 tour but The Who's label insisted on all '82 tour recordings and pretty much only the most popular Who songs and no real emphasis on deep cuts.
ChromeDestiny I always felt Kenney just lost his heart on the 1982 Tour because Daltrey had been on his case and literally called a band meeting to address Kenney’s status in the band. On top of that, Pete had basically checked out and said it would be his last tour with the band (which probably enabled promoters to give it the ever profitable “farewell tour” billing). Kenney played great onstage in my opinion from 1979-1981. 1982 though was a weird tour...they all seemed to be going through the motions, although there were some great moments.
@@drummer78 I agree that the '82 tour had the odd good moment. There's some videos circulating of shows from that tour. Seattle '82 has a few highlights imo and Florida '82 is actually a pretty great show.
ChromeDestiny RUclips has definitely shown some examples of their good nights on that tour. At least with 82, they were still essentially just a 4 piece (with keys)...better than 89 in that regard. Still, there was something “thin” about their sound compared to the earlier Kenney tours of 79-81. Maybe it was Pete’s guitar amp set up.
A comment on ticket prices. From the early 70s to the late 70s I didn't pay over $10 to see any concert and I saw a lot of big names, but somewhere around 81 or 82 I remember BOC tickets had jumped to $15...that was about the time I stopped going to concerts, but there were other factors involved as well so...
The Grateful Dead: Steal your Face......uggg! I was majorly bummed when this hit the racks after “Europe ‘72!” Thank God the Dead went back into their Vault series to release more of their ‘72 tour- awesome gems for all those deadheads from way back when! Cheers!
Your Right John. As A Long time Dead Tape & CD Collector, Steal Your Face is just Bad.. Poor Production..Stick with the Dicks Picks & Daves Picks Series..Awesome Recordings
SYF was one of those "we owe the record company" obligations. While most of the material off the Winterland farewell shows are good, yeah after those first 3 live ones this comes up short.
My rant comes down to a minor detail in an amazing concert. The Cream reunion in 2005 is all I could ever hope for but WHY did Clapton not use the wah-wah pedal on "White Room"? I bought the DVD for that and "Badge" and he let me down. I still love Cream and the video. RIP Jack and Ginger. The other live album with which I have a problem is Hawkwind's "Space Ritual Live". The album contains recordings from Liverpool and Brixton. The version of "Master of the Universe" that they played in Edinburgh was far better than the version that is on the album. It was also there that I interviewed Lemmy for my uni radio station. We drank a bottle of wine together and I met Stacia. Wow!
Exit stage Left is also my least favorite live Rush album. On a live performance I want something a little different than the studio version. ESL was so note-for-note mimicking the studio versions that I referred to it on a message board as "Rush: Sanitized for your protection". Oh, and A Show Of Hands absolutely whips ESL :)
I played that album to death back in the day and collected all the terrible bootlegs over the years... But I felt completely vindicated after they released the incredibly AWESOME 'How The West Was Won'. That was truly the band in their prime, before Jimmy's hand breaks and booze/drugs took a toll on their performances... Imagine if they were that good during the '77 Presence tour. Whoa.
Most of the vocals from Robert Plant during 1973 were terrible, his voice being shot . I am surprised his voice was in such good shape on TSRTS at MSG. By the time his voice was better on the 75 tour Jimmy was into his drug and drinking days and got even worse in 77 with very inconsistent performances. Zep in their live prime was 1969 to 1971.
As a fan of Rush since 1980, I agree with Chris: Exit... is not a good live album. The presentation it s also very poor. 3 photos and that is. The sound is obscure and once i discovered the video, with other songs like Limelight, wel... In december of 83 i flew to Rio de Janeiro,and i bought both Live evil and Holy diver, and my friends in Argentina worshiped me (you have to understand how the LP market worked in those days in Argentina to understand this, but I was big with those albums), and i loved Live Evil. Still do, even with that horrible one song in to sides thing...
Glad Pete is here to talk some sense, don't know how you can claim to be a rock fan but "hate that jamming stuff" and complain about people doing solos. I can see it getting old if it goes on forever but that's where the creativity can really shine.
@@jamespaul8058 Chris and Martin aren't "noobs", but I do want to ask Martin why he hates most live albums so much. The whole POINT of a live album is to, i don't know, play songs longer, or differently. If I don't want a "jam" version of a song, well that's the studio album version. Makes me wonder how much of a Deadhead Martin is or isn't!
Thomas Gellhaus I agree. I wouldn’t call them noobs, but it’s a curious opinion to me. I’ve never understood why people don’t like jamming/extended solos. That’s when you see the true creativity of the band. Plus it adds variety to the show, instead of being a carbon copy of studio songs. If it sounds and is played exactly like the studio version, then what makes the live version special?
dan cussin I agree. Like I said in my comment, if the live version is just a carbon copy of the studio song, played exactly the same with no variation or extra stuff, what makes the live version special?
@@alexandergilles8583 I am with you. Although...I have a couple of friends that want cd-quality & 'just like the record' when they go to a concert. They're frustrating, to say the least.
Damn- I wish in the 1970s when i was growing up- I had access to you 3 guys( I’m not leaving the house). 💯 = AWESOME fun cheerful and super SUPER knowledgeable! Love Chris “ summary and humor: I ve been known to word and see things just like him. I’m in total agreement with him. I despise long long jams! A+ SHOW!!!!
Anytime Pardo, Popoff and Alo want to record a live album, I'm here for it! Love this lineup! Also, so glad you mentioned Eagles Live, Pete. I actually like the Eagles -- the Walsh-period material more than the earlier, countryish stuff -- and have enjoyed them live, but that album was, to quote the band themselves, "Wasted Time."
I'm with Pete on Speak of the Devil.Haven't heard it since the 80's and as a huge Sabbath fan,hearing a rhythm section play stiff without the Sabbath swing and a guitarist take all the soul out of the songs and solos was too much for me. I can understand some people who aren't diehard Sabbath fans liking it.Especially people who were Ozzy fans,but not necessarily Sabbath fans.
Don't complain about long live version until you went to a iron butterfly show and hear In a gadda da vida live in the Seventies. You can make festival for 3 days just playing it.
This was a fun rant. I bought Rainbow on Stage on a used LP back in the 80's when I was in college. At the time, I was a big fan of Cozy Powell and I was taking in everything that Cozy played on. So, when I first heard it, I was entranced in the whole thing. I loved it at first listen. But, as time goes by, I find it harder to listen to. I agree the 26 minute version of "Dazed and Confused" is an overkill. I still find it hard to listen (and watch) the Song Remains the Same in its entirety. For recent (past 10 years) for disappointing live albums, I would include the Van Halen - Live in Tokyo album. For die-hard fans who had wished for a live album with DLR, this was such a huge disappointment.
When it came out on CD, "Exit...Stage Left" was cut to fit on a single CD (that was then limited to about 60 minutes, not the 78 minutes the CD Standard became later)
The worst live album I’ve ever heard was Aerosmith Bootleg-Live. They were so drugged out that it took a minute or so into every song before you knew what song they were playing! The guitars on Walk this way sound like no guitar I’ve ever heard before!
LoL! Steven and Joe and the boys were said to have snorted up half Bolivia! I gotta give Live Bootleg another spin - huge Aerosmith fan, but wanna hear how " loose " it sounds! Aerosmith took a lot of heat for bringing their "party favors" to the stage...hee haw! ....those are for LATER, dudes!
Disc two of Zeppelin's BBC Sessions is my favorite official Zeppelin release. I don't mind jamming on live albums but I like it to be good and I like it to not go on for ages and ages. For me that 1971 Paris Theater show on the BBC releases delivers on that front.
Hey guys loving these rant videos! You guys should consider doing one about songs with great choruses but terrible verses. I’ll be watching regardless!
Speak of the Devil was my first exposure to Black Sabbath. The energy level surpasses the originals. Was let down after I listened to the orignals. Brad Gillis fing kills it on this album!
I LOVE those Rush albums - ESL is my ALL-Time fave - BUT - I totally understand where Chris comes from. Hoping for the Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary to make up all what's missing
I generally don't like live albums too much, but I remember seeing some really great guitar players pull off some amazing performances during concerts. I don't mind if they take the theme into new places, if they have talent and inventive energy to make it exciting.
Great show... love Chris and Martin both. Good idea, Pete mixing them on the same show. Interesting how, Pete, a guitarist, loves the jammy stuff, improvisation jams, lengthy solos, and Chris and Martin, I’m guessing they don’t play instruments, they hate it. As a drummer, 40 years and counting I love Song remains the same and similar albums.
great video...i love these discussion groups...excellent choices...although i do have to admit, i loved rainbow on stage for one reason alone...ronnie james dio...to hear him sing mistreated was the biggest treat to me on that album...and yea, there were alot of great rainbow tracks that could have been there (i'm looking at you stargazer) but i could always hear ronnie sing that on rising...this was a once in a lifetime shot captured...anyway...thanks again...peace...
Naturally, all of those performances exist on bootlegs only, except the 1972 concert at the LA Forum. As a hardcore Led Zeppelin fan I agree with what as said about the Song Remains the Same album.. It was recorded at the end of the tour, a low point. Robert Plaznt's voice was a mess, this was one major reason they used so many overdubs on that record. The earlier European tour was so much better, Jimmy's playing was at its peak, Robert's vocal range was definitely lower than in the years before, but not that terrible that it was during the second leg of the US tour.
Wow, you guys are killing me here. I LOVE A Show of Hands by Rush and also love Priest...live! (also love the cover art, yes!). A Show of Hands made me a Rush Fan for life, I heard the songs on the album there for the first time. Same thing with Priest...live! which was my first Priest album and made me actually a real Heavy Metal fan. So I will love these 2 albums forever!
I couldn't agree with you more!..... A Show Of Hands is filled with outstanding performances(Territories is incredible) and represents my favorite time frame of Rushs incredible career(Permanent Waves through Power Windows that be)....
Unleashed In The East was my intro to Priest and 2112 (tho not a live album) was my intro to Rush. So, knowing this, you can see why Priest...Live! and A Show Of Hands seem anti-climatic to those of us who knew these bands in their creative prime. 🤘
Me Pete Pardo, I rarely comment on anything but I must say this is a Classic Lineup! Pardo, Poppoff & Alo has such a great dynamic. Keep up the excellent work. Sea of Tranquility is hitting on all cylinders. Ps. You and your channel introduced me to the band Eloy, and I have gotten heavily into Prog rock because of it. More Prog episodes !!
Yeah, they were good right? Martin or was it Chris, saying The Eagles probably were the worst live band ever, I mean, come on he can't be serious! They were consumate musicians, amazing singers and one of the finest harmony bands in history. Agreeably, their 1980 live album is a bit on the safe side, never really going out of the comfort zone, but I love their earlier, country laden material. They were just an amazing live and studio band, and STILL going strong! I love Glenn Frey and he's sorely missed but Vince Gill, you really couldn't get a better guy than him to take over where Glenn left! Just an awesome singer/songwriter and he has so much passion for The Eagles music, I mean it's his favourite band of all time, being a contemporary with The Eagles in the late 70s, albeit on a lower commercial scale, with Pure Prairie League. Don't even joke about The Eagles being the worst live band, it's not even funny, you know what Im sayin!?
@@thomasmarthinussen8978 I used to love the Eagles but had heard that their live peformances were boring and when the live album came out , I had to agree. When I finally saw them live it just underlined the lack of inspiration I got from it . Hardly ever listen to any of their live catalogue. Rather try You Can't argue With a Sick Mind by Joe Walsh.
The Eagles were always very boring live. Boring. Just fucking boring. Did they sound good? Absolutely. But man, I saw them twice ('77 and '80), and an hour into each show I was waiting for the concert to end. Fucking boring.
How in the world can you not be taken by the live version of CATCH THE RAINBOW? As a musician & a huge Rainbow fan, it’s one of my favorites. Has deep meaning in my life.
These are in NO particular order: 1. Kiss Alive 2 and Kiss Alive 3 2. U2- Rattle and Hum 3. Rush- A Show of Hands 4. Pink Floyd- Ummagumma Live Disc 1 5. Genesis- The Way We Walk 6. Yes- Keys to Ascension (Live Portions) 7. Aerosmith- A Little South of Sanity 8. Black Sabbath- Live at Last 9. Roger Waters The Wall Live in Berlin
Not sure if the discussion provides helpful information but it is entertaining. Thanks for the laugh this morning:-). I have seen the Eagles live (during the Hell Freezes tour) and they sounded great... can't say what they sounded like in the 70s and 80s.
Good fun show guys......you should do more together👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Don’t agree at all with Rainbow On Stage being included but, as Pete says, we all hear things differently......some even miss vocals completely😉. Totally agree about the Eagles though. I only saw them live once, and that was enough. For a truly awful live album, I’d go for ‘The Sting’ by WASP. ‘Live.....in the Raw’ & ‘Double Live Assassins’ are both fantastic live albums, but ‘The Sting’ blows chunks🤮
And the thing is HOW do you make that mistake (regarding Still I'm Sad Live?) He wrote an entire book about Rainbow covering all the their songs. That was one of the high points for many fans with the On Stage album - to hear the VOCALIZED version of that song, haha.
My god, Chris is hysterical and knowledgeable, Martin is a legend and Pete is why we are here. What a great conversation, a great trio! Cheers!
A power trio of music enthusiasts.
@@MrMshossain their knowledge of bands and their releases is pretty amazing.
@@eric_in_florida It really is. I can't count how many times I've looked into their recommendations.
I agree with all of the above!
Pete. Martin. Chris P.M.C Perfect Music. ChaTT
Chris is something else. He hates the album so much he had to buy every format over the years.
Now that is funny.
Probably still hoping it would improve over time :-P
I think his collector ethic is second to none. And his sincerity.
Yeah and want's a live album to sound like your at the show but no extended jams?
@@davideckert2889 I love that (seemingly) hour long super-jam version of Wicked World. I borrowed a bunch of Sabbath LPs from my boss in college and that was one of them. Drank it all up as I was just getting into hard rock and metal.
Pardo...Alo...Popoff...this is the Clash of the Titans! What a great start to my week!
Tremendous power trio. Full of insights. Great show !!!!
All great music journalists. I'm not ALWAYS keen on Martin's opinion of certain albums, musicians, or songs, but those are opinions for you. He's still very educated, I just feel he occasionally has a higher opinion of certain material that feels to me like it is clearly inferior to other things he gives lukewarm reviews on. Regardless, he has gotten money and relatively famous for his opinion at times.
Yeah I like papof
@Craig Kaminski:
Pardo, Alo and Popoff...
Put those 3 names back to back and you’re moving into Greek philosopher territory, hehe..
When you have Pete Pardo, Martin Popoff, and Chris Alo on a video together - you know it's going to be great. I love the Pete/Martin videos. But Chris adds an additional element that makes these collaborations unique. Thanks!
Respectfully disagree about the jamming. I like the jamming/extended solos. That’s when you see the true creativity of the band. Plus it adds variety to the show, instead of being a carbon copy of studio songs. If it sounds and is played exactly like the studio version, then what makes the live version special?
Who could badmouth Allman Bros Live at the Fillmore right? It's what drew me to The Mars Volta as well.
Agree, that is the purpose of to go to a concert
Hear hear!!
I honestly think it brings to question his credibility on criticizing the greatest forms of music, Prog Rock, Hard Rock and especially Heavy Metal.
Someone that has a problem listening to a John Bonham drum solo? Keep you opinion to yourself and go buy a Pop album.
I’m a little in the middle. I’m not a huge fan of extreme jamming, but I’m not a huge fan of carbon copies either. I like live albums that are somewhere in the middle.
I've loved Rainbow on Stage since I first heard it! Ronnie had such an amazing voice back then and was able to improvise with his voice really well, so songs like Still I'm Sad are a goldmine for him to explore his range, of which he did!
On Stage is one of the best live albums of all time. And Still I´m Sad is not instrumental there.
On stage is a good performance I just wish that more songs from Rising had been played
Agree with Pete on Intensities in 10 Cities. Juvenile and silly. The part of Nugents career where he lost me. Probably the low point of the post Derek St. Holmes years.
Chris hates “Live At Last..” so much he bought it 5 times. Lol
"Why did Sharon put this out again", uh because you keep buying it.
Probably bought the shirt 5 Times LOL
C. Meck lol.
Slamming Sammy 😂😂😂
I like the album myself 🙂
Watching Pete's expressions while Martin is Ranting on Rainbow's On Stage is priceless.
Hell yes
I usually agree with Martin but not with this one. I absolutely love Catch The Rainbow. Rainbow On Stage is a great album in my opinion
On Stage; Still I'm Sad has lyrics on this live album On Stage is a great live album. Catch The Rainbow is absolutely magic.
Yep, was gonna say
Yeah, I felt my blood pressure rise regarding his disparaging remarks about On Stage. Different strokes for different folks. I personally love On Stage. Always have. Always will. If there's ANY negative thing for me to say about On Stage is that it doesn't have Stargazer. But I've got a ton of bootlegs that have it so it's all good.
Though On Stage is definitely worse than Live in Germany 1976 which has 8 songs and clocks at 100 minutes (and it has Stargazer)
Unfortunately one person on the panel has no appreciation of musicians who branch out beyond the studio song, he hates Made in Japan as well. In his book he barely mentions the album. Dismissing Catch the Rainbow, which has some amazing performances from Cozy, Ritchie and Ronnie and Mistreated has an amazing guitar solo, poor and conceited. What's not to like about musicians who can play, improvise, create?
Yes Still I’m sad was an instrumental on the debut album
Iron Maiden - A Real Dead One - It was released in October '93 after Bruce had already announced that he'd leave the band. It has poor production and the band is not at their best.
Agreed 1000%
Thought of this. A real live one too.
I love that album. It sounds raw and vicious.
I agree a total flop
I like A Real Dead One. Its A Real LIVE One that is terrible. The 'rawness" that they were going for just does not work at all.
Great as always! Have You ever considered to display the album cover in the corner of the videoframe while discussing the album. This would be helpful since the display of the album often is short and easy to miss :-)
The long jamming sections are why I buy the live albums
Kiss Alive 2, I feel like the only reason to own this is for the studio track ‘Rocket Ride’. Just not as good as the first Alive in my opinion.
Blasphemy!!!!? Great record. Kiss alive 4 is worse, love 3.
I'll take II anyday. But it was my first Kiss album...
I like ll, but don't think it's as good as the first album. Rocket Ride is certainly an awesome tune.
It's been a while since I tackled Alive II but I definitely felt the same way initially
Great album. All of the studio tracks are solid also
Pete w/ theeee 2 best co-hosts!... more please!🤘🤘
IMHO: "On Stage" is tied with "Strangers In The Night" as the best live album ever! And I love "The Song Remains The Same" and "Speak Of The Devil".
completely agree
Rainbow on Stage and dp Made in Japan changed my Life..These are the two best live Records for me...
They are amazing albums.
MIJ is my fave live album of all time. Having said that, On Stage could have been so much better with shorter songs.
As a teenager, I was a huge Kiss fan! Their first “Alive!” album was iconic to me! “Alive 2”, was the last Kiss album I ever bought! It had many songs I loved, but I knew it was over for me. I had moved on
EDIT: I DID buy Double Platinum! I got it because my early collection was on 8-tracks and self-destructed over time, and it did have most of the songs I did love at one time!
I disagree completely with Popoff on his take on Rainbow live and instrumental music. Though, as a bassist, I wholeheartedly agree with his take on bass and drum solos. It’s a piss break, which I would take if it meant I didn’t have to pee my pants, so we don’t do them. Great show!
This is like listening to 3 friends in the pub having a discussion, great stuff even if I don't agree with everything said here, but that's what makes it interesting. Always thought Live On Stage is a disappointing live album. The band plays well on it, but I agree with Martin, the song choices are puzzling at best. No Stargazer or Tarot Woman or Starstruck or Light In The Black.
Yeah,I was such a big Blackmore and Rainbow fan at the time,but was kind of disappointed with the song choices. Catch the Rainbow is nice and Blackmore does some nice soloing, but it wasted a whole side of a vinyl. Still I'm Sad has some good passages, but still that amount of time on vinyl could have been filled with some of the songs you mentioned.
loved dio era rainbow,but yes i was too dissapointed with rainbow live on stage,starts of great with kill the king,then just sort of meanders,and i dont mind long extended jams,but not the ones on that album,when i first heard it,i thought it must be some hastily put together contractual thing
Blackboard has the biggest ego on earth narcissistic that’s his playpen Good for him
Try the Nürnberg & Düsseldorf ‘76 shows . . Or the Osaka ones. 1.5 to 2 hours and you get a lot more.
The thing with Dazed and Confused on TSRTS is the song is only used as a vehicle for Zep to incorporate a load of unrelated covers into their set - for example the lyrics to “if you’re going to san Francisco” is in there musically backed by something similar to what would eventually become Achilles Last Stand. Out of the 26 minutes I’d say only around half of it is taken up by something you’d recognise as Dazed and Confused found on LZ1. It works for me although it’s not something I’d listen to frequently for sure
Chris is great, I hate this album, but i bought it 5 more times. Hope springs eternal.
Brings to mind that old adage about the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
I'm not even that nutty... ;-)
Definition of insanity - buy the same dumb album 5x and expect it to get better LOL
Chris "I hate this album but I have 5 copies" Alo 😆
Yeah, he's a glutton for punishment I suppose.
Makes you wonder how many copies he has of the albums he loves. :)
Cmon Chris for someone who hates the album why the hell do you have 5 copies . That's stupid
Pete - this is a legendary, perfect combo of guests - can this become a regular panel of Pardo, Popoff, and Alo ? This in my opinion, is your best combination of celebrity guests!
Absolutely agree
I disagree! I love all his guests/ combinations (including him of course!!)
I've always loved Exit Stage Left. When I got into Rush as an adolescent, it was basically a greatest hits comp of the bands most popular period. That being said, the arguments against it are completely valid. We need a remixed and expanded version so hard.
Disagree with On Stage, the sound is amazing and I do like the long stretched out versions.
Worst live albums for me:
Rush - Exit Stage Left
Black Sabbath - Live Evil
Van Halen - Tokyo Dome, haven't heard the whole album but enough to to know it isn't great ( bad albums with great covers)
Brizzie Leif - the ONLY Rush album that I love is All the Worlds a Stage. The rest, including Exit Stage Left are so obsessed with reproducing the studio version that I find no point in listening to them.
Deep purple always did long jam songs live!
I actually loved the tokyo show because it was 100 percent live
I totally agree with Live Evil. When you here the Hammersmith gig, you know how the album should have sounded!
I love Rainbow on stage I only wish that there is more Rising songs I think the band is perfect and Ronnie was brilliant. On stage is a fantastic document of a greatness that Rainbow was with Dio. Song remains the same for me is a great album it was the album that made me love rock music.
@Bace it's a shame it would be a perfect album
@Bace stargazer is great on that album
Goran Cabrajic indeed, it’s a top ten all-time live album, IMO.
Add Stargazer, Tarot Woman, and A Light In The Black, and it would have been perfect.
This was great! You three make for an entertaining watch! Hope you guys come back together and do more.
For me the most disappointing live album was "Queen Live Magic". I was at the Wembley concert, and couldn't wait to get this live lp. When I got it I'm like "Where's the rest of it?!" A ridiculously truncated highlights package which sounded like it had been spliced by a three year old. They even cut out the operatic section of Bohemian rhapsody. Fortunately they did bring out the full version "Live at Wembley" later, although I still prefer "Live Killers".
I had the same reaction.
Yup. Love Live Killers. Probably my all time fav live album. Freddy Mercury was the man
@@poitor5915 Sorry are you being serious? All music videos are mimed. Their live videos most definitely are not.
Omg so funny. Chris and Martin are my favorite guests of yours, Pete. I had the same smile and laughter that you had during the whole video. Awesome!
Since I heard Martin Popoff saying he didn't like Made In Japan, I thought he was not the right guy to be commenting on live 70's albums. Made in Japan and The Song Remains the Same are all time favorites to me. And if he thinks not even How The West Was Won is great Zeppelin, I don't think he likes the band, although he wrote a book on them.
Those albums suck. Period. You have to be a delusional hardcore Fan to think otherwise.
The only problem with ''Catch The Rainbow'' from On Stage is it isn't long enough! Blackmore & Dio creating 15:35 of sonic bliss! ...While A Show Of Hands may not be the best live Rush album, it ends with a great version of Closer To The Heart.
Aerosmith Bootleg Live features sloppy performances, sonic unevenness and not enough deep cuts. Live album during this band's peak should have been so much better.
I suppose it's understandable that they sound sloppy, as they were constantly strung out on hard drugs.
Good Point!!!
Live Bootleg is my all time favorite live album. I love the rawness of it. Most live albums sound watered down with overdubs
I bought ‘Bootleg live’ the day it was released. And I always liked it. I could finally hear Aerosmith live. Sure it’s a bit raw around the edges, but I have no problem with that. I enjoy it to this day.
I think it's great lol...to each their own 🙂
One word for this show.....Magic. Great laughs and interesting choices and not everyone in agreement. Makes for fun viewing and many laugh out loud moments. So thanks to Chris, Martin and you too, Pete, for getting this Trinity together. Hope to see some additional shows with the three of you. Thanks again, guys!
Van Halen Live: Right here right now. How could such a fun band for the first few years get so boring.
The new stuff live was boring and had no fire whatsoever
I can’t believe we’ve never had an official live album from the classic Roth years. 78-84
@@alexandergilles8583 Dave was too drunk to give a fuck 😂
That whole thing was overdubbed in the studio so it's not live.
@@alexandergilles8583 They released a live album during their last tour but, unfortunately it was recent performances & not during the golden age of Roth.
"The Song Remains the Same" is Zeppelin live at that time. Per Jimmy Page, they were able to stretch some songs, be creative, and find new ground while having fun. Also, it was the 70s, and many bands had lengthy jam type songs. That's how it was back then.
I'm a bit surprised that no one mentioned how horribly processed and artificial Ozzy's vocals sound on Speak Of The Devil
I agree, its not a good live album, alot of studio would on it, tribute is a better live album
"Speak of the Devil" reinvented early Sabbath for me; those early recordings were just too primitive sounding for me to give them the time of the day.
@@capnzilog oh thats a good way to look at it, yea like a different perspective to the song, I do that myself but with Black Sabbath bootlegs, Ian Gillan does the Ozzy stuff great, he sounds evil, and Tony Martin/Dio give the songs a fresh take
Yes! Like he's singing in a campbell's soup can
It’s live at the Ritz in New York it’s horrible sounding It sucks.
Chris Alo is a natural treasure! Martin is my new favorite expert. Together they are gold!
Yes we would like to see this combo again 👍
As soon as I saw the title, the words Exit Stage Left appeared in my head.
Martin must love The Mule on Made In Japan😂.
@@jaspergillgannon4991 Yeah, but The Mule has that spicy 6+ minute Drum Solo lol.
Sharon's intent was always to do a Sabbath covers album at that point because some publishing deal expired and they would cash in. That's at least per Rudy Sarzo in his excellent bio of the Ozzy years. Rhoades said he wouldn't do it and Ozzy slapped him across his face. Eventually they compromised that Rhoades would do the Sabbath covers album, a third studio album and then leave to become a solo artist.
Rhoads.
My vote: come back guys and rant again. Great show!
Pete Pardos laugh is infectious . Makes me laugh every time!
That Rainbow is awesome! You're suppose to jam live 😆
Chris quote on VENOM - somebody played the VHS in @ school gymnasium .... LMAO 😂
Chris said Venom members arent good musicians....so why would you be a fan? ive never heard anything by them but if a group arent good musicians, i'm out
@@gatorguyblue If that's the Venom who did Black Metal, I love 'em...!
@@gatorguyblue Bad musicians can still write compelling songs!
@@gatorguyblue The Sex Pistols? musicianship is not connected to popularity. Have you seen the charts? I have never heard Venom, but now I sort of have to...
In my opinion listening to Venom is a waste of time. They are really bad, it was the image and hype around Black Metal that made them big.
Mercyful Faith was far better, but that, again, is my opinion.
How about a rant "Best/Worst band logos"?
"Official" Bootleg is an oxymoron
Guns N' Roses "Live Era". The only album I actually threw out after listening to it. Literally.....I stared at it for a few seconds and then tossed it.
Something tells me Martin had no problem finding 3 live albums he doesn't like :-)
Unlike Martin and Chris, I look forward to listening to extended or alternate versions of songs that are often included on live albums.
The only decent live they made was the fake live like a suicide (it's great despite being fake). They always kind of sucked live especially Axl voice got fucked up pretty early in their existence.
Can't believe I forgot that turd.
Agreed. I'm die hard GnR and its awful. Axl overdubbed all the vocals too - after his voice had gone shot.
The secret with extended or long jam versions is moderation. Adding a minute or two, that's okay. Even having a set couple songs that a band usually drops some solos in to works. But, as he pointed out in an earlier video, a six song set that lasts 90+ minutes, I can't take.
I think a lot of it is based in 70's excess and prog pretentiousness. The Moody Blues, Yes, and Deep Purple (among others) were famous (or infamous if you don't like it) for going into long experimental pieces that just wouldn't end.
@@111highgh Chris Alo, is that you?
I have a different view about Show of Hands. The first Rush album I bought. Had no idea who they were but the gatefold pictures were so cool. Opened my world to a whole range of interesting and varied music. It was a life changing record for me. The version of Marathon on the album remains my favourite version of any Rush song. Always skip Mystic rythms though.
Power Windows needs more love, man!.... Top to bottom, an incredible listen... What's your issue with Mystic Rhythms?... I think it's one of Rushs most adventurous songs.....
A Show Of Hands is a good performance, everything sounds solid it’s just that the song selection comes from what I think is a weak era for the band (80s pop era). But heck Witch Hunt sounds freaking amazing
Marathon is really good on that album.
Rolling Stones, "Still Life." The title sums it all up. Bad album cover too.
Chris, Ozzy wasn’t eating jelly. Those are raspberry preserves.
The majority of Nugent’s lyrics are juvenile Pete. Lol.
As a Nugent fan, I completely agree. But Insensities In 10 Cities took it to another level entirely, and in many instances way too far.
Nick Jones lol.
I always found his lyrics as insightful glimpses into the hidden dilemmas of the human condition.
Kirk Woerner hahahaha
new level: "My love is like a tire iron"
Funny ..when I saw this topic, "Exit Stage Left" was the first to come to mind and I am a huge Rush fan...even the "synth" albums...as a pro keyboard player. those 80.s albums were very influential.....I know a lot of old guitar players who are reconsidering this period....Alex was using alternate tunings and doing creative unorthodox things....a good chunk of their live show always featured these songs....
I still daubthat Rush is a poor mans Yes!!!!?
Great discussion gentlemen . I'm usually not a big fan of the long stretched out live songs either . However , the live version of No Quarter on The Song Remains the Same is sensational . Otherwise , I generally like the songs to be more reigned in. I look forward to future videos from you.
Agree on Intensities in 10 cities, awful. Do love Show of Hands , but, agree a couple big omissions on Stage Left. Last few live albums basically just included enough discs to capture pretty much everything they played!!
Another great show...I have to sort of agree with Martin on Stairway to Heaven. I liked it when I was younger, but now it’s on my list of songs I’ve heard so many times I never need to hear them again as long as I live. Pete, that’s a future topic!!
Caught in the Act by Styx, Rattle & Hum by U2, A Show of Hands by Rush
troglodrew as we used to call it back in the day, U2 “Prattle and Drone”.
I like Caught in the Act because it's the only live album of Styx up to 1983.
@@davel7791 - The video concert version of *Caught Live in the Act* was worst than the album. They did a mini play of Kilroy. That mini play ripped the heart out of Styx. Return to Paradise should of been their first live album. Much much better.
@@kevinthetruckdriver353 Return to Paradise CD and DVD are incredible. I saw them on that tour. Could have died happy that night seeing my first rock heroes reunited (minus John). They still sound good on Caught in the Act, though, in my opinion.
I thought Who’s Last was no good compared to Live at Leeds
Luis Nasser To say the least
Who's Last is a sad story. The original idea was to put out a live anthology with some live stuff with Moon, some stuff from the '79 tour when Kenney Jones was playing better and only a bit of stuff from the '82 tour but The Who's label insisted on all '82 tour recordings and pretty much only the most popular Who songs and no real emphasis on deep cuts.
ChromeDestiny I always felt Kenney just lost his heart on the 1982 Tour because Daltrey had been on his case and literally called a band meeting to address Kenney’s status in the band. On top of that, Pete had basically checked out and said it would be his last tour with the band (which probably enabled promoters to give it the ever profitable “farewell tour” billing). Kenney played great onstage in my opinion from 1979-1981. 1982 though was a weird tour...they all seemed to be going through the motions, although there were some great moments.
@@drummer78 I agree that the '82 tour had the odd good moment. There's some videos circulating of shows from that tour. Seattle '82 has a few highlights imo and Florida '82 is actually a pretty great show.
ChromeDestiny RUclips has definitely shown some examples of their good nights on that tour. At least with 82, they were still essentially just a 4 piece (with keys)...better than 89 in that regard. Still, there was something “thin” about their sound compared to the earlier Kenney tours of 79-81. Maybe it was Pete’s guitar amp set up.
A comment on ticket prices. From the early 70s to the late 70s I didn't pay over $10 to see any concert and I saw a lot of big names, but somewhere around 81 or 82 I remember BOC tickets had jumped to $15...that was about the time I stopped going to concerts, but there were other factors involved as well so...
The Grateful Dead: Steal your Face......uggg! I was majorly bummed when this hit the racks after “Europe ‘72!” Thank God the Dead went back into their Vault series to release more of their ‘72 tour- awesome gems for all those deadheads from way back when!
Cheers!
Your Right John. As A Long time Dead Tape & CD Collector, Steal Your Face is just Bad.. Poor Production..Stick with the Dicks Picks & Daves Picks Series..Awesome Recordings
SYF was one of those "we owe the record company" obligations. While most of the material off the Winterland farewell shows are good, yeah after those first 3 live ones this comes up short.
My rant comes down to a minor detail in an amazing concert. The Cream reunion in 2005 is all I could ever hope for but WHY did Clapton not use the wah-wah pedal on "White Room"? I bought the DVD for that and "Badge" and he let me down. I still love Cream and the video. RIP Jack and Ginger.
The other live album with which I have a problem is Hawkwind's "Space Ritual Live". The album contains recordings from Liverpool and Brixton. The version of "Master of the Universe" that they played in Edinburgh was far better than the version that is on the album. It was also there that I interviewed Lemmy for my uni radio station. We drank a bottle of wine together and I met Stacia. Wow!
I was pissed he played a strat.
Hall of Fame quality show guys. The 3 of you together was priceless. 👍
Exit stage Left is also my least favorite live Rush album. On a live performance I want something a little different than the studio version. ESL was so note-for-note mimicking the studio versions that I referred to it on a message board as "Rush: Sanitized for your protection".
Oh, and A Show Of Hands absolutely whips ESL :)
Thank you to Alo and Popoff for ranting about long jamming on albums that I haven’t found yet. Gives me more to listen to! I’m all about the jams lol.
I love the song remains the same album. Zep was at their best live especially when improving like they do on that album. Love the jams
I played that album to death back in the day and collected all the terrible bootlegs over the years... But I felt completely vindicated after they released the incredibly AWESOME 'How The West Was Won'. That was truly the band in their prime, before Jimmy's hand breaks and booze/drugs took a toll on their performances... Imagine if they were that good during the '77 Presence tour. Whoa.
Most of the vocals from Robert Plant during 1973 were terrible, his voice being shot . I am surprised his voice was in such good shape on TSRTS at MSG. By the time his voice was better on the 75 tour Jimmy was into his drug and drinking days and got even worse in 77 with very inconsistent performances. Zep in their live prime was 1969 to 1971.
One thing it's good for is Rock n Rollin' your old lady during Dazed And Confused. It'll keep ya from being a minute man guaranteed.
As a fan of Rush since 1980, I agree with Chris: Exit... is not a good live album. The presentation it s also very poor. 3 photos and that is. The sound is obscure and once i discovered the video, with other songs like Limelight, wel...
In december of 83 i flew to Rio de Janeiro,and i bought both Live evil and Holy diver, and my friends in Argentina worshiped me (you have to understand how the LP market worked in those days in Argentina to understand this, but I was big with those albums), and i loved Live Evil. Still do, even with that horrible one song in to sides thing...
Well I happen to love The Song Remains The Same. For me it contains definitive versions of Dazed And Confused and No Quarter.
I love that album!!!
Which version, though?
I got used to the original release, then got the remastered one with additional tracks but was shocked by the poor edits.
Glad Pete is here to talk some sense, don't know how you can claim to be a rock fan but "hate that jamming stuff" and complain about people doing solos.
I can see it getting old if it goes on forever but that's where the creativity can really shine.
@@jamespaul8058 Chris and Martin aren't "noobs", but I do want to ask Martin why he hates most live albums so much. The whole POINT of a live album is to, i don't know, play songs longer, or differently. If I don't want a "jam" version of a song, well that's the studio album version. Makes me wonder how much of a Deadhead Martin is or isn't!
Thomas Gellhaus I agree. I wouldn’t call them noobs, but it’s a curious opinion to me. I’ve never understood why people don’t like jamming/extended solos. That’s when you see the true creativity of the band. Plus it adds variety to the show, instead of being a carbon copy of studio songs. If it sounds and is played exactly like the studio version, then what makes the live version special?
Maybe they should just stick with the studio albums if they dont like the extras.
dan cussin I agree. Like I said in my comment, if the live version is just a carbon copy of the studio song, played exactly the same with no variation or extra stuff, what makes the live version special?
@@alexandergilles8583 I am with you. Although...I have a couple of friends that want cd-quality & 'just like the record' when they go to a concert. They're frustrating, to say the least.
I love these kind of videos and I think the three of you are awesome together! I hope you will keep doing these kind of videos
Damn- I wish in the 1970s when i was growing up- I had access to you 3 guys( I’m not leaving the house). 💯 = AWESOME fun cheerful and super SUPER knowledgeable! Love Chris “ summary and humor: I ve been known to word and see things just like him. I’m in total agreement with him. I despise long long jams! A+ SHOW!!!!
Anytime Pardo, Popoff and Alo want to record a live album, I'm here for it! Love this lineup! Also, so glad you mentioned Eagles Live, Pete. I actually like the Eagles -- the Walsh-period material more than the earlier, countryish stuff -- and have enjoyed them live, but that album was, to quote the band themselves, "Wasted Time."
Pete and the two best co hosts. So informed .Great anecdotes and they keep me smiling.
I'm with Pete on Speak of the Devil.Haven't heard it since the 80's and as a huge Sabbath fan,hearing a rhythm section play stiff without the Sabbath swing and a guitarist take all the soul out of the songs and solos was too much for me. I can understand some people who aren't diehard Sabbath fans liking it.Especially people who were Ozzy fans,but not necessarily Sabbath fans.
Trouble rules!..!
Don't complain about long live version until you went to a iron butterfly show and hear In a gadda da vida live in the Seventies. You can make festival for 3 days just playing it.
Just make sure you don't run out of drugs.
This was a fun rant. I bought Rainbow on Stage on a used LP back in the 80's when I was in college. At the time, I was a big fan of Cozy Powell and I was taking in everything that Cozy played on. So, when I first heard it, I was entranced in the whole thing. I loved it at first listen. But, as time goes by, I find it harder to listen to.
I agree the 26 minute version of "Dazed and Confused" is an overkill. I still find it hard to listen (and watch) the Song Remains the Same in its entirety.
For recent (past 10 years) for disappointing live albums, I would include the Van Halen - Live in Tokyo album. For die-hard fans who had wished for a live album with DLR, this was such a huge disappointment.
When it came out on CD, "Exit...Stage Left" was cut to fit on a single CD (that was then limited to about 60 minutes, not the 78 minutes the CD Standard became later)
The worst live album I’ve ever heard was Aerosmith Bootleg-Live. They were so drugged out that it took a minute or so into every song before you knew what song they were playing! The guitars on Walk this way sound like no guitar I’ve ever heard before!
LoL! Steven and Joe and the boys were said to have snorted up half Bolivia! I gotta give Live Bootleg another spin - huge Aerosmith fan, but wanna hear how " loose " it sounds! Aerosmith took a lot of heat for bringing their "party favors" to the stage...hee haw! ....those are for LATER, dudes!
Disc two of Zeppelin's BBC Sessions is my favorite official Zeppelin release. I don't mind jamming on live albums but I like it to be good and I like it to not go on for ages and ages. For me that 1971 Paris Theater show on the BBC releases delivers on that front.
yeah that album just blew me away last time I heard it
Great album
Hey guys loving these rant videos! You guys should consider doing one about songs with great choruses but terrible verses. I’ll be watching regardless!
Speak of the Devil was my first exposure to Black Sabbath. The energy level surpasses the originals. Was let down after I listened to the orignals. Brad Gillis fing kills it on this album!
I LOVE those Rush albums - ESL is my ALL-Time fave - BUT - I totally understand where Chris comes from. Hoping for the Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary to make up all what's missing
Agreed. One of my fav live albums but I get his reasoning. But its full of simply the best version of those songs
I generally don't like live albums too much, but I remember seeing some really great guitar players pull off some amazing performances during concerts. I don't mind if they take the theme into new places, if they have talent and inventive energy to make it exciting.
Great show... love Chris and Martin both. Good idea, Pete mixing them on the same show. Interesting how, Pete, a guitarist, loves the jammy stuff, improvisation jams, lengthy solos, and Chris and Martin, I’m guessing they don’t play instruments, they hate it. As a drummer, 40 years and counting I love Song remains the same and similar albums.
great video...i love these discussion groups...excellent choices...although i do have to admit, i loved rainbow on stage for one reason alone...ronnie james dio...to hear him sing mistreated was the biggest treat to me on that album...and yea, there were alot of great rainbow tracks that could have been there (i'm looking at you stargazer) but i could always hear ronnie sing that on rising...this was a once in a lifetime shot captured...anyway...thanks again...peace...
Great video idea, I love the team of you three discussing. Great stuff as always!
This was the best rant video yet! Keep them coming!
Rainbow,on Stage,are you kidding me? classic among classics. This was 70,s jamming hello!!!! Can't believe this one
Magnificent album but much too short, nearer a single than a double album
Talking about definitive Led Zeppelin live moments: 4/9/1970 - LA Forum, 19/9/1970 - Madison Square Garden, 30/8/1971 - Orlando, Florida, 14/9/1971 - Berkeley Community Center, 29/9/1971 - Osaka, 25/6/1972 - LA Forum, 16/3/1973 - Vienna, 17/3/1973 - Munich, Germany, 22/3/1973 - Essen, Germany, 24/3/1973 - Offenburg, Germany, 21/6/1977 - L.A. Forum
Naturally, all of those performances exist on bootlegs only, except the 1972 concert at the LA Forum. As a hardcore Led Zeppelin fan I agree with what as said about the Song Remains the Same album.. It was recorded at the end of the tour, a low point. Robert Plaznt's voice was a mess, this was one major reason they used so many overdubs on that record. The earlier European tour was so much better, Jimmy's playing was at its peak, Robert's vocal range was definitely lower than in the years before, but not that terrible that it was during the second leg of the US tour.
Martin, BOC's second live album wasn't Extraterestial Live, It was Some Enchanted Evening.
Wow, you guys are killing me here. I LOVE A Show of Hands by Rush and also love Priest...live! (also love the cover art, yes!). A Show of Hands made me a Rush Fan for life, I heard the songs on the album there for the first time. Same thing with Priest...live! which was my first Priest album and made me actually a real Heavy Metal fan. So I will love these 2 albums forever!
I couldn't agree with you more!..... A Show Of Hands is filled with outstanding performances(Territories is incredible) and represents my favorite time frame of Rushs incredible career(Permanent Waves through Power Windows that be)....
Unleashed In The East was my intro to Priest and 2112 (tho not a live album) was my intro to Rush. So, knowing this, you can see why Priest...Live! and A Show Of Hands seem anti-climatic to those of us who knew these bands in their creative prime. 🤘
Me Pete Pardo, I rarely comment on anything but I must say this is a Classic Lineup! Pardo, Poppoff & Alo has such a great dynamic. Keep up the excellent work. Sea of Tranquility is hitting on all cylinders.
Ps. You and your channel introduced me to the band Eloy, and I have gotten heavily into Prog rock because of it. More Prog episodes !!
I actually really love Rainbow On Stage and the jams. Cozy Powell's dynamics are superb on that record and it sounds like you are really there
Saw the Eagles live in '95 - they were really good, and the crowd (Wembley Stadium) loved it.
Yeah, they were good right? Martin or was it Chris, saying The Eagles probably were the worst live band ever, I mean, come on he can't be serious! They were consumate musicians, amazing singers and one of the finest harmony bands in history. Agreeably, their 1980 live album is a bit on the safe side, never really going out of the comfort zone, but I love their earlier, country laden material. They were just an amazing live and studio band, and STILL going strong! I love Glenn Frey and he's sorely missed but Vince Gill, you really couldn't get a better guy than him to take over where Glenn left! Just an awesome singer/songwriter and he has so much passion for The Eagles music, I mean it's his favourite band of all time, being a contemporary with The Eagles in the late 70s, albeit on a lower commercial scale, with Pure Prairie League. Don't even joke about The Eagles being the worst live band, it's not even funny, you know what Im sayin!?
@@thomasmarthinussen8978 I used to love the Eagles but had heard that their live peformances were boring and when the live album came out , I had to agree. When I finally saw them live it just underlined the lack of inspiration I got from it . Hardly ever listen to any of their live catalogue. Rather try You Can't argue With a Sick Mind by Joe Walsh.
The Eagles were always very boring live. Boring. Just fucking boring.
Did they sound good? Absolutely. But man, I saw them twice ('77 and '80), and an hour into each show I was waiting for the concert to end. Fucking boring.
How in the world can you not be taken by the live version of CATCH THE RAINBOW? As a musician & a huge Rainbow fan, it’s one of my favorites. Has deep meaning in my life.
These are in NO particular order:
1. Kiss Alive 2 and Kiss Alive 3
2. U2- Rattle and Hum
3. Rush- A Show of Hands
4. Pink Floyd- Ummagumma Live Disc 1
5. Genesis- The Way We Walk
6. Yes- Keys to Ascension (Live Portions)
7. Aerosmith- A Little South of Sanity
8. Black Sabbath- Live at Last
9. Roger Waters The Wall Live in Berlin
Not sure if the discussion provides helpful information but it is entertaining. Thanks for the laugh this morning:-). I have seen the Eagles live (during the Hell Freezes tour) and they sounded great... can't say what they sounded like in the 70s and 80s.
Queen's Live Magic.... My absolute dissapointing live album ever...
The Song Remains the Same believe it or not is on Rolling Stone Magazines 500 greatest albums list.
This is Rolling Stone we're talking about. To say it's a shitty mag would be an understatement. I don't give it any credence.
Who cares?
@@turefromfinland3264 EXACTLY!
Good fun show guys......you should do more together👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻.
Don’t agree at all with Rainbow On Stage being included but, as Pete says, we all hear things differently......some even miss vocals completely😉. Totally agree about the Eagles though. I only saw them live once, and that was enough.
For a truly awful live album, I’d go for ‘The Sting’ by WASP. ‘Live.....in the Raw’ & ‘Double Live Assassins’ are both fantastic live albums, but ‘The Sting’ blows chunks🤮
And the thing is HOW do you make that mistake (regarding Still I'm Sad Live?) He wrote an entire book about Rainbow covering all the their songs. That was one of the high points for many fans with the On Stage album - to hear the VOCALIZED version of that song, haha.
Onstage is brilliant