man kinda crazy how all these advanced game engines wouldn't exist if a bunch of programmers decided not to make a silly little gold source game back in 1998
I mean since the TF2 community is so unbelivabely huge + the game is super popular even outside the community, if Valve remade TF2 on Source 2 through and through with new textures, models and everything (and of course, fix the bots), i feel like it would be one of the greatest events in the history of gaming. It would probably be even more popular than it ever was.
well no duh it would but thats never happening lol which is why im glad the community is porting it, we might actually get a tf2 that gets updated again
Why? They're just gonna port over the bloated cosmetic and also ruin the port of tf2 just like how it ruins tf2. That's what they did with the microtransaction in csgo to cs2. Both of those franchieses are hot garbage. Left 4 Dead 2 in source 2, now that is something I would love to see.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 You think the frame rate's gonna be better? On lower spec computers? It's going to be worse. They can try to optimize it so that it doesn't get reduced too much, but still. What would be a frame rate saver would be to not port over all the bloat obviously since more disk space from a game equals less frames.
Nah, not really. This engine does not have enough new innovations and tech-advancing features compared to the previous one. It is just Source but better.
Thanks Richter for covering Half-Life Source 2 in your video! It's been not only a blast to work on it but it's been a great learning experience too. Thanks to shishkabob for letting me help out and thanks to ever other contributor for doing something on the project (yes even you Ian if you seen this, even though you only made a readme lol!). This was a great video and I'm glad you could fit our project into it.
Looks ugly as shit. TF2's art style is designed for Source 1. A proper port done by Valve's own artists could look good, but simply slapping the existing assets into a new engine will always look ugly.
@@vlim5601that depends? It also means they haven't tweak everything to fit the anesthetics. You can also say the same Unreal Engine with its hyper realistic graphic will absolutely not work with cartoons or cel shaded graphics, and yet here we are with fortnite and Hifi rush. If Valve has the time (not valve time), or the community, they can absolutely make it perfect for that art style in Source 2.
@@vlim5601 The people working on it are limited by what S&Box is currently offering them, custom shader support was only recently added and they're still working on adding the toon shading that's reminiscent of TF2 characters They're also working on upgrading the models and changing weapon viewmodels to the style of L4D so that randomiser doesn't use broken animations anymore Once it's finished, it'll practically be a straight upgrade
S&box is incredibly cool, it's honestly amazing how so many people are using it to it's full potential even when the engine is constantly broken every other day.
If you think about it Half life 1 was indead showing how great story a game can have, 2 was showing of intaractivty, and alyx was to show off that you can make a great game that looks good even on vr
3:02 "I find it silly when people who are doing professional work market themselves as professional" that's such a backhanded compliment like what the hell.
The worst part is the "marketing material" he showed doesn't market them as professional and instead is transparent about what they are: a group of people who like to develop games and mods for pre existing games
imagine if valve ends up giving tf2 to amper software in the future. imagine what kind of era tf2 will be brought into, holding the same prosperity it once held 10 years ago but in an entirely new engine and a new light
Ironically more people played tf2 during the save tf2 movement than 10 years ago during its golden years. This is even if you discount the bots that plague it today
actually at this point the game has TOO many problems that hasn’t been solved in years so if they decide to port it it’s kind of the same making again all the game or making a tf3, and don’t blame me but a tf3 could be way better for valve and players ( with the same market, like they did with cs2) and putting a continuity to the “real”story of the game and the tf2 mercenaries refusing to being replaced. It has a lot of potential and it’s kind of the same effort so… why not a tf3
iirc the goal with tfs2 isn't to replicate tf2 exactly, but to give people a really good platform/base to make other TF-related stuff, so if tfs2 gets popular I could see a tf2c kinda thing happening.
Something i need to mention Half life games are test demos for new source engines Look at all of them HL1 - Gold source HL2 - Source HL Alyx - Source 2 So when we get source 3 we will get hl3
Honestly, a Source 1.5 probably would have been cool, too. Think about how engines like Unreal evolved over time, leveraging hardware and various pieces of software tech for streaming level data in real time. Or, consider engines like Creation, which were built with vast level streaming in mind from the onset. Games like Titanfall, titanfall 2, Apex Legends and Portal 2 showed us that Source was incredibly ahead of it’s time. Visuals in those games are amazing, no question about it! Now, if only you didn’t have to wait while level spaces loaded every few minutes, that would be amazing!
For a long time Source did get continuous updates, Portal 2 source was pretty much a totally different engine compared to Half Life 2 source, at a certain point though source accumulated so much technical debt that valve made a clean break with Source 2 and did a total engine rewrite
But TF2 Source 2 on S&Box is different from CS2, even though they use the same Source 2 graphics engine... but there may be a possibility. By the way, TF2 Source 2 on S&Box is already 2 years old! :D Hopefully TF2 S2 is official, since Valve itself gave it the Source 2 engine for S&Box, a privilege that only Facepunch had with Valve and its product.
@@asterlofts1565 lol tf2s2 is literally a gmod game, it’s in no way official or even remotely similar to what an actual tf2 source 2 port would look like
Source maybe does the best job at feeling like you're in complete control of your actions for its games. The controls and movement are very responsive. You feel grounded, you feel like each tiny input has a direct expected result in the game. Mouse movement is great. Input latency is very low. Its something you take for granted. If you go back and play Half Life 1, it feels like you're moving on ice. Other games mouse controls don't feel as accurate as source. The way its rendered, something about the 3d world feels more grounded and real than others in a way I can't describe well. Its physics still hold up too. Most items feel like they have real weight and momentum. I think Source and valve in general excel at making the world very interactive in a believable way, making sure your controls are as accurate and tight as possible.
you say all of this but nowhere in this rant do you mention modern game engines such as source 2. people with cs2 already did the work for you - it’s pretty much exactly the same
@@uwuLegacy I'm just gushing for source... I meant source in general as in both source 1/2... I'm not trying to imply source 1 is better at these things vs source 2.
@@thepunisherxxx6804 well this is a video about source 2 and the changes it may have on source games so i thought your comment was in the context of comparing the two engines
7:55 Well, the 1.0 Steam version came out 3 years ago, but the first mod version came out in 2012. The first Steam Early Access version came out in 2015.
To be fair if they quite literally just dragged and dropped everything into source 2 and did some minor coding, if it was any other company like Nintendo I think they would actually be sued before they could even get the project up.
@@Jadene111it wasn't a drag n drop at all, most of the game had to be redone from scratch They shutted it down probably because it could become a better tf2 that doesnt make valve money
Valve are sitting on a veritable gold mine with porting older games to Source 2, especially TF2, and aren't porting any of them. I know, I know, it'd be a massive undertaking, but man, the entire community would go insane.
Cool! I genuinely love seeing how Source 2's new tech affects all these recognizable props and textures and locations. Feels both familiar and new at the same time.
Ads right as the half life part begins, so you only see "half life source" for a split second before it gets cut off, genuinely funniest usage of ads I've seen so far, thank you youtube very cool
You forgot to mention one small thing about the Half Life series. Half Life Alxy is another revelutionally tital, because it proved that Vr games CAN be more then just simulators and such. It proved that we are is perfectly capabale to have worlds build into it with interesting stories to immerse yourself into. And on that note, Half Life Alxy has to be the most immersive game out there, for now. Half Life once again revolutionised gaming.
Well you forgot dota 2, since the reborn update it runs on source 2. Also it was the first game which was ported to Source 2 . But keep up the good work Video was informative and fun to watch😀
I think the _one_ reason why Valve hasn't yet considered a Source 2 port of TF2 is simply because of how _large_ it is. I mean, think of it. The game has had over *15* years worth of updates stacked onto it, not to mention the ardous task of simply updating a game across such a large engine gap. Unlike the jump from Goldsrc to Source 1, Source 2 overhauls damn-near everything. New map format, new resource format, you get the point, it hardly shares much with Source 1. It's something that the various teams at Valve just don't want to bother with at the moment, they're all busy working on Counter-Strike 2 at the moment.
I would rather a tf3, because updating tf2 to source 2 is actually like making the hole game again and solving all the problems that through years have been accumulating, so if they have to do a lot of effort I would rather them making a little more effort to make it its own thing and fresh content not just the old things, like continuing the story that could be something like the old mercenaries are denying to being replaced with new ones and that stuff, idk if this makes it take more to release, I mean we’ve already waited a lot of years we can wait a little more
For those who are also interested, there is a small but interesting channel called Amper New Networks that every day posts whether or not there are updates to TF2 Source 2 and if there are, it explains what was added, removed, improved, etc.
Note that there is a NoVR mod for Alyx that enables you to complete the game with no VR feature, not the best experience but if you really want to play the game the option is here!
vscript already added a ton of potential to tf2, now if we can get it in source 2, its potential is going to skyrocket at the speed of peppino going mach 3 in pizza tower lol
Seeing old games (or even just their assets) running unaltered in newer graphical engines has always had a weird and surreal feeling to it for me, like something just isn't quite right. Within their native game they look fine, but then as soon as you place them in a modern graphical engine they look like garbage and feel eerily out of place.
man kinda crazy how all these advanced game engines wouldn't exist if a bunch of programmers decided not to make a silly little gold source game back in 1998
Wouldn't what
Wouldn't what?
wouldn't what?
@@Slimmdy exist
it would.
I mean since the TF2 community is so unbelivabely huge + the game is super popular even outside the community, if Valve remade TF2 on Source 2 through and through with new textures, models and everything (and of course, fix the bots), i feel like it would be one of the greatest events in the history of gaming. It would probably be even more popular than it ever was.
I agree, but we will see what valve does with it. It could be huge though.
well no duh it would but thats never happening lol
which is why im glad the community is porting it, we might actually get a tf2 that gets updated again
Why? They're just gonna port over the bloated cosmetic and also ruin the port of tf2 just like how it ruins tf2. That's what they did with the microtransaction in csgo to cs2. Both of those franchieses are hot garbage. Left 4 Dead 2 in source 2, now that is something I would love to see.
@@Gigakoopz it could at least be more optimized
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 You think the frame rate's gonna be better? On lower spec computers? It's going to be worse. They can try to optimize it so that it doesn't get reduced too much, but still. What would be a frame rate saver would be to not port over all the bloat obviously since more disk space from a game equals less frames.
We're about to see an exciting era in the community. Thanks for covering this!
Ay, Skyrionn. Love your videos.
This is random but The longest someone has ever peed is 508 seconds or 8 minutes and 47 seconds
with THIS.
Nah, not really. This engine does not have enough new innovations and tech-advancing features compared to the previous one. It is just Source but better.
this aged poorly
Thanks Richter for covering Half-Life Source 2 in your video! It's been not only a blast to work on it but it's been a great learning experience too. Thanks to shishkabob for letting me help out and thanks to ever other contributor for doing something on the project (yes even you Ian if you seen this, even though you only made a readme lol!). This was a great video and I'm glad you could fit our project into it.
port halo next
That's a nice argument Senator but why don't you back it up with a source 2?
little weird that it uses the original models instead of the HL:S models
The source 2 engine looks very nice. There needs to be a TF2 on the source 2 engine because it’ll look amazing tbh.
As opposed to tf2 on the goldsrc engine
Looks ugly as shit. TF2's art style is designed for Source 1. A proper port done by Valve's own artists could look good, but simply slapping the existing assets into a new engine will always look ugly.
@BloodyMary as opposed to tf2 on the doom engine
@@vlim5601that depends? It also means they haven't tweak everything to fit the anesthetics. You can also say the same Unreal Engine with its hyper realistic graphic will absolutely not work with cartoons or cel shaded graphics, and yet here we are with fortnite and Hifi rush.
If Valve has the time (not valve time), or the community, they can absolutely make it perfect for that art style in Source 2.
@@vlim5601 The people working on it are limited by what S&Box is currently offering them, custom shader support was only recently added and they're still working on adding the toon shading that's reminiscent of TF2 characters
They're also working on upgrading the models and changing weapon viewmodels to the style of L4D so that randomiser doesn't use broken animations anymore
Once it's finished, it'll practically be a straight upgrade
7:39 missed the chance to say "unforeseen consequences"
I will definitely get the cash ready for source 2 half life anytime soon .
alyx??
Someone did remake the beginning of Half Life 2 in S&box
I don't have a VR headset for alyx
@Chief sosa that's cool, but I think people want a traditional style half life game with the modern fidelity/features. They want a true half life 3.
@@Wonderer69 there is now a mod that lets u play alyx with no vr and its pretty good
If left 4 dead 2 gets remade on source 2, I'll die happy.
Same here.
YUS
Some day pal some day...
That CS2 gameplay was crazy! The graphics were amazing, i cant believe you really got access to it!
Hahaha, XD
this will be tf2 in 2013
Yes
cant wait for 2013!
My brain has been conditioned to be happy when I hear richter say “good evening”
gud eveneing
im from older years but ye
S&box is incredibly cool, it's honestly amazing how so many people are using it to it's full potential even when the engine is constantly broken every other day.
Super awesome to see you covering these games! here's hoping some mad lad decides to make a Half Life 2 Source 2 game in S&box!
Hello! :)
Hey man
Kinda Expected You To Be Here
Dota 2 was the first game to use the source 2 engine. The transition to the new engine was called Dota 2 Reborn.
2:08 I am a simple man. I hear Rocket Jump Waltz, I cry.
R.I.P.
all the Source 2 fan ports
2020-2023
qrd?
Half-life is too iconic to be a game. The second you hear the half-life music you instantly get butterflies to this day.
If you think about it Half life 1 was indead showing how great story a game can have, 2 was showing of intaractivty, and alyx was to show off that you can make a great game that looks good even on vr
3:02 "I find it silly when people who are doing professional work market themselves as professional" that's such a backhanded compliment like what the hell.
yeah that left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth
The worst part is the "marketing material" he showed doesn't market them as professional and instead is transparent about what they are: a group of people who like to develop games and mods for pre existing games
imagine if valve ends up giving tf2 to amper software in the future. imagine what kind of era tf2 will be brought into, holding the same prosperity it once held 10 years ago but in an entirely new engine and a new light
don't give me hope
Ironically more people played tf2 during the save tf2 movement than 10 years ago during its golden years.
This is even if you discount the bots that plague it today
id rather not
if it happens that means valve has given up on tf2
@@tridyot no shit
I'd like to see tfs2 to turn into something like tf2c, where they kinda branch away from what they were supposed to do to make original content
actually at this point the game has TOO many problems that hasn’t been solved in years so if they decide to port it it’s kind of the same making again all the game or making a tf3, and don’t blame me but a tf3 could be way better for valve and players ( with the same market, like they did with cs2) and putting a continuity to the “real”story of the game and the tf2 mercenaries refusing to being replaced. It has a lot of potential and it’s kind of the same effort so… why not a tf3
@@brandonalejandro2759 isnt tfs2 fanmade tho
iirc the goal with tfs2 isn't to replicate tf2 exactly, but to give people a really good platform/base to make other TF-related stuff, so if tfs2 gets popular I could see a tf2c kinda thing happening.
7:04 THIS IS LITERALLY HALF-LIFE: SOURCE BUT ON THE SOURCE 2 ENGINE AND A PINCH OF HOPE THAT ITS BUGS ARE OR WILL BE FIXED!
Happy that you got a s&box key, happy you got to beat the raffles
Something i need to mention
Half life games are test demos for new source engines
Look at all of them
HL1 - Gold source
HL2 - Source
HL Alyx - Source 2
So when we get source 3 we will get hl3
Honestly, a Source 1.5 probably would have been cool, too. Think about how engines like Unreal evolved over time, leveraging hardware and various pieces of software tech for streaming level data in real time. Or, consider engines like Creation, which were built with vast level streaming in mind from the onset.
Games like Titanfall, titanfall 2, Apex Legends and Portal 2 showed us that Source was incredibly ahead of it’s time. Visuals in those games are amazing, no question about it! Now, if only you didn’t have to wait while level spaces loaded every few minutes, that would be amazing!
For a long time Source did get continuous updates, Portal 2 source was pretty much a totally different engine compared to Half Life 2 source, at a certain point though source accumulated so much technical debt that valve made a clean break with Source 2 and did a total engine rewrite
Funniest thing: portal, csgo, and l4d2 use updated versions of source 1
And the version has completely different mod tools
Half life Alyx was astonishing, just the fact their new games will be on the same engine is such an amazing prospect.
6:17 Half-Life 3 actually showed us just how cancelled a game can be.
Pretty sure other people have pointed out but.
Alyx isn't the only source 2 title.
Dota 2 has used source 2 since like 2014 or 2015
He lost me within 30 sec
I really wanna see some of the new tech used in cs2 added to tf2.
the thing is, they would have to develop Team Fortress 2 2
But TF2 Source 2 on S&Box is different from CS2, even though they use the same Source 2 graphics engine... but there may be a possibility. By the way, TF2 Source 2 on S&Box is already 2 years old! :D Hopefully TF2 S2 is official, since Valve itself gave it the Source 2 engine for S&Box, a privilege that only Facepunch had with Valve and its product.
@@asterlofts1565 lol tf2s2 is literally a gmod game, it’s in no way official or even remotely similar to what an actual tf2 source 2 port would look like
@@TheEvo86 Team Fortress Squared
@@livekazumareaction lmfao
Source maybe does the best job at feeling like you're in complete control of your actions for its games. The controls and movement are very responsive. You feel grounded, you feel like each tiny input has a direct expected result in the game. Mouse movement is great. Input latency is very low. Its something you take for granted. If you go back and play Half Life 1, it feels like you're moving on ice. Other games mouse controls don't feel as accurate as source. The way its rendered, something about the 3d world feels more grounded and real than others in a way I can't describe well. Its physics still hold up too. Most items feel like they have real weight and momentum.
I think Source and valve in general excel at making the world very interactive in a believable way, making sure your controls are as accurate and tight as possible.
you say all of this but nowhere in this rant do you mention modern game engines such as source 2. people with cs2 already did the work for you - it’s pretty much exactly the same
@@uwuLegacy I'm just gushing for source... I meant source in general as in both source 1/2... I'm not trying to imply source 1 is better at these things vs source 2.
@@thepunisherxxx6804 well this is a video about source 2 and the changes it may have on source games so i thought your comment was in the context of comparing the two engines
thank you so much for using my footage - love your content man!
cant believe source 2 is still using the same modified engine as quake and half life
7:40 "Unintended consequences" I feel ashamed you didn't say "Unforeseen Consequences"
Dude I can not get over the new outro its so good!and the music is really catchy!
7:30 unattended consequences ? You mean UNFORESEEN consequences !
please someone kill me, my jokes get worse every day that goes by
I love that outro song! listened to it on spotify a few times already
2:10 the game that just refuses to die. And im really happy that is the case
7:55
Well, the 1.0 Steam version came out 3 years ago, but the first mod version came out in 2012. The first Steam Early Access version came out in 2015.
cant wait to get my hands on this
come on man, that line at 7:39 was the PERFECT opportunity to say "unforeseen consequences"
if only valve did not shut down the source 2 tf2 port
To be fair if they quite literally just dragged and dropped everything into source 2 and did some minor coding, if it was any other company like Nintendo I think they would actually be sued before they could even get the project up.
@@Jadene111it wasn't a drag n drop at all, most of the game had to be redone from scratch
They shutted it down probably because it could become a better tf2 that doesnt make valve money
@abicto or because valve owns the half life ip
Amazing how well source 1 has aged
Dota 2 also runs on source 2, it was the first game that uses the engine
you had the perfect opportunity to say "unforeseen consequences" 7:36
Half-Life 2 on S2 is what I want the most....
Richter uploads and I listen.
1:20 my dumbass self has been calling it S and box this entire time.
I thought I was gonna see the goold old Day Of Defeat, sadly, great vid !
Source 1 will always feel best for the classic games
Playing Half Life Alyx with the No Vr mod really showed me how beautiful source 2 can be
The Mario music hit hard!
Oh my god...We've been waiting for this for literally like 10 years now....
2:29 Released in 2017!?!?!?!?
@@Deltadog55 how does someone mess up that bad it’s 2007
4:36 Lol he used "Want You Gone" from Portal 2 as the song for Portal being shown. "Still Alive" is Portal 1's song.
I’m excited for Half Life 3
you and i both.
Valve are sitting on a veritable gold mine with porting older games to Source 2, especially TF2, and aren't porting any of them.
I know, I know, it'd be a massive undertaking, but man, the entire community would go insane.
0:49 pov,CS2 just got sold to EA GAMES
Boy I can’t wait for Half life 2 episode 2 source 2
0:42 bahahaha, this has to be one of the funniest things I've seen
3:45 found the one person in the entire universe who plays with fast weapon switch off
fuk yea
Cool! I genuinely love seeing how Source 2's new tech affects all these recognizable props and textures and locations. Feels both familiar and new at the same time.
Dam, TFS2 aged well
YAY. This stuff looks really good!
L4d2 fans are crying rn
Ads right as the half life part begins, so you only see "half life source" for a split second before it gets cut off, genuinely funniest usage of ads I've seen so far, thank you youtube very cool
4:02 the Chat 💀💀💀💀
7:39 I think you mean "Unforeseen Consequences" ;D
You forgot to mention one small thing about the Half Life series. Half Life Alxy is another revelutionally tital, because it proved that Vr games CAN be more then just simulators and such. It proved that we are is perfectly capabale to have worlds build into it with interesting stories to immerse yourself into. And on that note, Half Life Alxy has to be the most immersive game out there, for now. Half Life once again revolutionised gaming.
Well you forgot dota 2, since the reborn update it runs on source 2. Also it was the first game which was ported to Source 2 . But keep up the good work Video was informative and fun to watch😀
0:31 Not necessarily. Other cheaper VR headsets exist too. Get a quest 2 or some other cheap headset.
i love the music you picked for tf2s2 its really nostalgic even tho its still not old
tf2 fans being more passionate and better than valve’s actual dev team.
Give Day of Defeat Source some love my dude.
TF2 on source 2 would be awesome
Richter put me onto "Bloom My Darlin'" (outro music). That tracks slaps hard.
I think the _one_ reason why Valve hasn't yet considered a Source 2 port of TF2 is simply because of how _large_ it is. I mean, think of it. The game has had over *15* years worth of updates stacked onto it, not to mention the ardous task of simply updating a game across such a large engine gap. Unlike the jump from Goldsrc to Source 1, Source 2 overhauls damn-near everything. New map format, new resource format, you get the point, it hardly shares much with Source 1. It's something that the various teams at Valve just don't want to bother with at the moment, they're all busy working on Counter-Strike 2 at the moment.
I would rather a tf3, because updating tf2 to source 2 is actually like making the hole game again and solving all the problems that through years have been accumulating, so if they have to do a lot of effort I would rather them making a little more effort to make it its own thing and fresh content not just the old things, like continuing the story that could be something like the old mercenaries are denying to being replaced with new ones and that stuff, idk if this makes it take more to release, I mean we’ve already waited a lot of years we can wait a little more
i chuckled when i heard "Half-Life: Source 2" for some reason
4:18 He didn't know
woah new video by richter sleepytime
2:19 It's programmed to count the bots playing the game as well.
For those who are also interested, there is a small but interesting channel called Amper New Networks that every day posts whether or not there are updates to TF2 Source 2 and if there are, it explains what was added, removed, improved, etc.
3:47 why would you want it off though?
7:38 HOW DID YOU MISS THE CHANCE TO SAY UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES
3:52 as a heavy main this bit kinda hurts me, git gud richter (no offense)
2:30 “while the game was initially released way back in 2017”…
That’s even later than Titanfall2
Tf2 on source 2 aged like milk
(valve shut down the project)
Yee… sad to see that it wasnt reverted
AMAZING VIDEO RICHTER ☝️😳
Note that there is a NoVR mod for Alyx that enables you to complete the game with no VR feature, not the best experience but if you really want to play the game the option is here!
It may not be as immersive as VR, but from my experience, it's still pretty fun.
TeamFortresS² is such a creative name I love it
If we can't have half life 3,we want Half life 4.
The fact you didn't say "unforeseen consequences" at 7:38 makes me sad lmao
it’s jover
I can't wait for Team fortress 2 2
vscript already added a ton of potential to tf2, now if we can get it in source 2, its potential is going to skyrocket at the speed of peppino going mach 3 in pizza tower lol
Your videos are so entertaining. Always fun to watch
6:00 AAAAAA NOOOO HD MODELS WHYYYY
god they used the gross spy model from the "you got 2 more backstabs on that life" in the HUD
Seeing old games (or even just their assets) running unaltered in newer graphical engines has always had a weird and surreal feeling to it for me, like something just isn't quite right. Within their native game they look fine, but then as soon as you place them in a modern graphical engine they look like garbage and feel eerily out of place.
As long as s2 keeps the movement tech (and perhaps the source spaghetti) im happy