Yup, game with night vision goggles laser sights spas 12s And g36 assault rifles is set in the 1800s. Perfectly in line with the rest of tf2s ridiculous lore lol
Yeah man... They college student Created Team Fortress And Spray Australia to World. By the way. The Fact TF2 Story's And Mann Co HQ in Australia too. ! great fact too ! +1
@@The_MontageZ Dude Never talk like that. i see that Joke but never do that again. 6 College Man And Person's Created Legendly Game All Of Times 1996 - 2022 26. Year Anniversary !
Incase anyone is interested, the spy’s implemented ability to change team colour was found accidentally via a bug in the code. Players would randomly / visually look as if they were on your team when they weren’t. Good ol happy accidents
Extra trivia: Team Fortress Classic is also officially known as Team Fortress 1.5! The game's default infobox says 'Welcome to Team Fortress 1.5' and the old website for Sierra Studios referred to TFC as Team Fortress 1.5
The original Team Fortress dev team being from Australia honestly explains a lot about why TF2 references and memes about the subcontinent so much. Australia lore in TF2 is insane!
Imagine how amazing it would feel to be a high school/college student making a mod with some friends completely for fun, yet succeeding at it so hard that it took a decade for a whole ass corporation a decade to figure out how to improve it.
That is the thing about valve. They may want our money, but their games are sheer quality. Who knows, half life 3 may also be taking a long time due to the perfection 1 and 2 acheived
@@Furyfrags I think HL3 taking so long moreso has to do with Valve's focus on innovation. Every half-life game has been revolutionary in some way. Half-Life 1 basically invented FPS games (it didn't, but it might as well have), Half-Life 2 came out in 2005 yet could have come out today because it just holds up that well, and Alyx is the best VR game on the market currently. It seems as though Valve doesn't want to just release a new Half-Life game, they seem to be waiting until they can do something revolutionary with it the same way the previous games did.
@@PlayerZeroStart precisely, they want to acheive something amazing and that is why they are taking so long. At least they aint lazy like activision or EA
fun fact: the spy originated as a bug that would let a player spawn at the other teams base with their colours but still not be on their team, which became commonly used in the community (you could still damage the "spy" player in this bug)
this sounds made up... I remember there was a "spybug" but the class was created before the bug was surfaced... I remember it being more linked to switching teams. you would switch teams to balance the server but your character would change to a different team but not switch colors, so you would be a red person in the blue team spawn and no one could kill you... eventually the server would kill you for the illegal action
Honestly I'm really glad younger TF2 players are getting curious about what predated TF2. TF Classic is a really fun game that deserves more players, so more people discovering it is a good thing IMO.
I mean if you like being abused, harrassed and bullied for how you play or look or just anything at all then yeah check the other games with the same self proclaimed great community.
@@Wheagg Hey man, practice makes perfect. Just remember that the classes in TFC are different from TF2 (Medic being a more viable damage dealer then Scout, for example). You'll get the hang of it eventually, don't worry.
I feel like valve has a perfect opportunity to make "Brotherhood of Arms" it's own series to rival EA's Battlefield, granted that the latter series doesn't die later this decade.
@@amentco8445 true but this just a pipe dream for me to see valve make a original IP game again and this time in full source 2 tech, I guess S&box will have to do if we want anything like that ever again.........
@@LividImp day of defeat just had basic "classes" that were just for different guns and it had small maps. "Brotherhood of arms" was going to be a modern, class based, vehicle combat, big map game. That definition was essentially battlefield before battlefield was even a thing as bf 1942 was released in 2004 while TF2:BOA was going to release in 1999 or 2000.
@@bulletghost3452 I used to play every one of the games mentioned in this video (accept the unreleased ones obviously). None of the games back then had side-grades like TF2 does. It was all just "basic classes" as you call it. And most BF players liked the smaller maps with less vehicles (much to my chagrin). So most of the time you'd get stuck on those maps anyway. Bigger maps only make sense in games with lots of vehicles, so there was no reason to make large DoD maps. I didn't like DoD as much as BF1942 or BF2 (as I am a big time vehicle guy), but it was mostly the same experience once you stripped the vehicles away. I'm not saying Valve shouldn't make a modern BF clone, I absolutely wish they would, specially BF1942.
I hope someone out there remake tf2 invasion, its so freaking cool looking and I'm surprised people haven't, the aesthetics and models looks so awesome.
I was thinking this too. With the source code leaked and all these ambitious mods like TF2C and Open Fortress you'd think someone would be attempting to reverse engineer Invasion for fun based on the premise and concept art, filling in the gaps with the current TF2 code like a video game-based version of Jurassic Park
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I think TF3 would honestly just be TF2 ported to Source 2 with a bunch of updated models and textures, cleaned up spaghetti code, sweeping balance changes, new maps and weapons, and porting over everyone's current inventory from TF2 with some ambitious new cross-game Steam inventory technology. Maybe a major new gamemode like MvM. TF2 is basically already one of the best games ever with one of the strongest communities ever, Valve wouldn't be able to top it and convince the TF2 players to migrate by throwing everything already made out the window for something radically different like that.
I would technically call the iteration the first "Battlefield" game concept, since bf 1942 only came out in 2004 while tf2 was supposed to come out in 2000 or 2001.
7:02 Okay but imagine the mindfuck of Gman showing up in the TF2 comics: “You 9 gentleeeemen… have done excssseptionally… wwwell…. My e-e-employersss are… impresssed…”
The spy turns to scout, knowing that this will be the last time he will see him before they meet an uncertain fate. With a smile on his face, and a tear on his cheek, he tells his son, " Well, off to visit your mother! AA- "
0:10 When you mentioned the Heavy being in these FNAF Gmod videos, it gave me MAJOR flashbacks towards the mid 2010s. However, most of the time in these sorts of videos, it was either Scout, Engineer, Spy, or Sniper.
I remember one of the first FNAF videos I ever saw had Scout as the security guard and for a while I didn't know he was from another game and assumed that was what the security guard looked like
Best way to sum the the Valve "creative" process is: make some thing, scrap it, finish a project, either have it leak before release or just straight up delete It, then make a master piece just before the deadline.
Make something,scrap it,stay silent for atleast 6 years but you were silently trying to do something,scrap it again,delete the entire thing,start again,release the tech demo,decide to make games when you feel like it
"just before the deadline." Nah, Valve is notoriously ignorant of deadlines. It's ready when it's ready. Expiration Date had a deadline long before it got published and was supposed to go up on Adult Swim and Valve was just like "...uhhh, workin' on it"
This actually makes me wonder if Valve is so desperately dedicated to making good sequels, Half-Life 3 and Portal 3 really are in development, but Valve is trying to ensure that, no matter what, the games are perfect.
@@sethy9046 so? if you looked at arifact itself it was quite a good game, it was sadly a fallure, even though they were trying to totally innovate the card games
We know they take at least Half life very seriously, was mentioned a lot because of Alyx, think it was in "Half-Life: Alyx - Final Hours", which is a documentary. If we ever see a Half Life with a 3 on the end then either Gabe is dead and Valve has become a publically traded company or they think it can live up to its name.
5:35 OMFG you've unlocked so many memories with that clip.. i always refrence the Coop missions you can do in TFC with the Umbrella man VIP chracter with like 32-50 players in a community made coop map but MINI GOLF was a memory lodged further deep adn you unlocked it. Thank you!!!
Great video as usual. Valve really had a knack on turning mods into a hugely successful original games like Counter-Strike, Dota 2 and Left 4 Dead (started as CS modsby Valve developers as a prototype for new zombie game they wanna make).
Thats the running story. The thing is they had a lot of people making zombie stuff, and watching the unreleased ravenholm game by arkane shows how much cutting room floor ideas made l4d what it is. Turtle rock kinda stinks...
I’d recommend more TF2 players give TFC a shot, it’s a pretty fun game and I have a feeling you’ll be shocked at the amount of classes that (fundamentally) didn’t change from 1999 to 2007.
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Not really, the only classes that had their entire core shaken up to a completely different concept are Medic and Scout. The rest have differences obviously, but are mostly the same idea. All TF2 did was take the idea and polish it
I think it was a reasonable move, actually. The world was absolutely inundated with "realistic" shooters about then in the CoD, Battlefield etc. series, while TF2 kinda clung to the earlier roots of more abstract FPS games like Quake and Unreal. TF2 has gotten goofier over the years; it was always somewhat lighthearted in tone, but it played it's 60's spy/action flick setting a little straighter than it does now, the outright ridiculous backstory with Australium and Abraham Lincoln perfecting rocket jumping came later. TF2 was flanderized, I guess is how I'd put it.
I was one of the original players in clan tournaments, part of Iron Curtain -IC-. It's crazy how I was the same age as the devs at 18-19. I did go on to also love the crazy mod of TF, MegaTF. One of my highschool friends who also played and designed TF maps went on to join Valve Software and worked on so many of their projects.
And keep in mind that this beautiful masterpiece of a game which first started production A QUARTER IF A CENTURY AGO is being thrown away cause Gabe realized he can sit in his castle and print billions off of steam.
That's a nice sensationalist take, but not how Valve operates. Gabe rarely, if at all, makes decisions about what his employees do with their time -- if TF2 isn't getting updates (which it is), it's because nobody at Valve WANTS to work on it.
@@snowtyler Thank you. It's angry, sensationalised reddit-ass statements like those that make the game appear far worse off to the rest of the community and paints a very unfair and inaccurate version of Valve to others. It's just simply not true.
Really cool insight on such a storied development, and also glad to see the shoutouts to TF2 Classic, that's the first version of TF2 I've actually played properly but I love it so far
Honestly, it really would have been cool to see how the invasion version of the game would have turned out, but ultimately TF2 is just so perfect that I can’t complain.
Considering that Brotherhood of Arms was quite close to being done, I do wonder if there are any builds of it just sitting somewhere at Valve gathering dust
And now, we have an entire community centered around funny Russian guys eating sandwiches and dancing Scottish pirate Cyclopes. In other words the most superior version of the series.
i started playing when it first became f2p and people would complain about all the f2p kids. i believe this was around 2011-12. had a lot of fun w my 3 mains being soldier, scout and spy. i put a few hundred hours in and stopped thinking it would die out for good but im pleasantly surprised that people are still discovering the game and playing it!
Like how you say, 'Well, that's all I've got today.." like almost an apology there isn't more. Nicely done and thanks for flushing out the game's history.
TF Classic was so much fun to play and hell, it still has its dedicated playerbase these days which is quite surprising. And yeah, the maps from TF Brotherhood Of Arms definitely inspired maps like de_dust, de_dust2 and cs_siege (just by telling from the screenshots available) for Counter-Strike. It's important to note that TF Brotherhood Of Arms inspired the HL1 mod called Firearms which happens to have a Source version as well. The notion of the aforementioned game is there in some capacity.
Absolutely great content man. I'm always so impressed with what you do. Learned some stuff I had no idea even existed. Laughed at some well placed memes. Keep up the fantastic work, brother. I'm hyped for the next vid drop!
Wow, I used to play the Quake mod Team Fortress when I was about… 14 or so? This reeeally took me back. Not long after, there was already talk about Team Fortress 2. One of my friends even preordered it. I have to wonder if that preorder really held up once the game came out yeeears later.
Something about the observer and technician, The observer in TF2 is the administrator n the tech is the engineer (obviously) Its like this: Observer - Commander - Administrator Technician - Technician - Engineer
Tbh hearing about all the stuff in the 2000s and how the internet was there makes me so sad on how i barely missed it. The amount of weird creativity and never ending rabbit holes, of which we can only take quick peaks, is astounding... Like there were huge communities for making weird custom maps, and gamemodes and weird shit, that now are just gone... Everything was steamlined and now we have a boring straight road
There's still a big amount of contributors today and untapped games and communities that just don't have surface popularity, I do miss the old net though
@@doododaadoo8673 Most of them through singular sites that have existed as the same thing for over a decade, communicate through singular hubs like Discord, and otherwise only contribute extra content and trailers to sites like this one owned by global behemoths. The old internet and it's wide array of sites and forums is all but effectively dead if you discount some small niches. Yes, there are still people who mod, maybe more than ever, but to act like they recapture the way things were in the 90s up to the mid 00s is kidding yourself.
I spent a looooot of my time growing up playing TFC and have a lot of good memories with that game, especially the map the-climb. It would be incredible to organize some kind of "return to TFC" community event where starting at a certain date everyone who used to play this game (and new players) return to it for a few weeks.
TF on Quake was incredible back in the day. Playing demo you could use a detpack at the right time and just wipe out the entire opposing team. There were grappling hooks too.
wow, that was cool to learn! I've never played TF2 or anything but the characters are so recognisable and charming, and its really neat to learn the origins of the game!
Just discovered you. I like your speaking+info skills and voice. I was gonna sub, but I saw that a lot of your content is all in the same rather small niche. Doesn’t apply to me. But you’re very good at what you do. Respect. Hope to see you cover some other stuff in the future.
I can't believe I'm old enough that I knew exactly what you were talking about. Spent hundreds of hours playing tf1 about 25 years ago. You really made me feel old now
Team Fortress actually kinda started even before Quake Team Fortress. Starting as a Doom 2v2 map. The very same map that inspired modern day 2Fort. (The original map was known as “2 Fortresses”)
@ 10:06 I've never noticed before that the early version of those spawn doors are modeled after the TFC version. also "writes tfc adventure maps in notes for werid map videos"
I think it's funny that people say the Commander class wasn't fun, when Natural Selection 1/2, Hell Let Loose, even Battlefield 4/Hardline all have Commander roles in them that function pretty well whilst keeping the game fun.
While true, it's also worth noting that all those games have something that the original TF2 didn't: They're not running on GoldSource and have far more ram, cpu and gpu power to play with. :p
I think people don't realize how much Robin Walker is a fan of strategy. Look at his Steam profile, Battle Brothers he has 1,002 hours on. This must've influenced why they'd attempted RTS. The real reason is that it was too exploitable and it just did not fit the game. He also worked on Dota 2.
I think it shouldn't be underestimated just how much RPG-like and strategy elements that are present in these games. It's a whole rabbit hole of it own.
"...We're going to have to go very far into the past." And now I feel old, Team Fortress was my favourite game of the period along with Future vs Fantasy, I sunk a lot of time into both of those!
The "2" in Team Fortress 2 is so important if they ever make a sequel It better be called Team Fortress 2 2
Or Team Fortress 2: The Sequel
@@poisontree6181 Team Fortress 2: Number 2 Edition
Team Fortress 2, Episode 2
Team Defence Fortress Simulator 2: The Second
Team Fortress 2 Classic
no wait
It's funny how TF2 straight up goes "Yeah, that hyper-modern setting with professional soldiers was actually in 1930."
Yup, game with night vision goggles laser sights spas 12s And g36 assault rifles is set in the 1800s. Perfectly in line with the rest of tf2s ridiculous lore lol
I mean, this is the same universe where Abraham Lincoln invented stairs (before which people got into upper floors via rocket jump).
Life extension and sentry guns were invented around the 1890s so it's likely that things aren't realistic.
👀 What kind of name is LEPrecon?
@@soliniumpulse5406 ok mr solinium pulse sounding like some type of call of duty grenade
TF classic was made so long ago that college students in Australia could afford to rent a house. (our housing market is one of the worst in the world)
Ha sucks to be you
Just joking im sorry to hear that.
Edit: wow 200 likes? Thx i quess
Yeah man... They college student Created Team Fortress And Spray Australia to World. By the way. The Fact TF2 Story's And Mann Co HQ in Australia too. ! great fact too ! +1
@@The_MontageZ Dude Never talk like that. i see that Joke but never do that again. 6 College Man And Person's Created Legendly Game All Of Times 1996 - 2022 26. Year Anniversary !
Don't worry it's similarly miserable in the US and Canada too
@@The_MontageZ its ok.
Incase anyone is interested, the spy’s implemented ability to change team colour was found accidentally via a bug in the code. Players would randomly / visually look as if they were on your team when they weren’t. Good ol happy accidents
same with rocket jumping ;)
@@d4s0n282 i feel like rocket jumping was a given, they just didnt think of it as a movement mechanic until they played around with it
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Rocket jumping has been a thing since Marathon if not Doom
I still see it today, a blu scout on my team appears as red
Extra trivia: Team Fortress Classic is also officially known as Team Fortress 1.5!
The game's default infobox says 'Welcome to Team Fortress 1.5' and the old website for Sierra Studios referred to TFC as Team Fortress 1.5
Worst Name ever. Only Engine Name Can put it.
@@C.A._Old you're the same person that wouldn't complain about Counter-strike 1.6
@@tauon_ Well said! The day we start referring to CS 1.6 as "Counter-Strike Classic" is the day I'll be able to die in peace
@@tauon_ What the hell is Fact About is it ? What you are talking about ? 1.6 its last Gold Source Version, Nerd !
@@ultr4nima You shut up. 1.6 its last version of Gold Source Engine. CS
The original Team Fortress dev team being from Australia honestly explains a lot about why TF2 references and memes about the subcontinent so much. Australia lore in TF2 is insane!
This comment is downunderrated
I mean Australiaum alone hints the Australian roots of the creators
Yo, that’s awesome as hell
Imagine how amazing it would feel to be a high school/college student making a mod with some friends completely for fun, yet succeeding at it so hard that it took a decade for a whole ass corporation a decade to figure out how to improve it.
That is the thing about valve. They may want our money, but their games are sheer quality. Who knows, half life 3 may also be taking a long time due to the perfection 1 and 2 acheived
@@Furyfrags I think HL3 taking so long moreso has to do with Valve's focus on innovation. Every half-life game has been revolutionary in some way. Half-Life 1 basically invented FPS games (it didn't, but it might as well have), Half-Life 2 came out in 2005 yet could have come out today because it just holds up that well, and Alyx is the best VR game on the market currently. It seems as though Valve doesn't want to just release a new Half-Life game, they seem to be waiting until they can do something revolutionary with it the same way the previous games did.
@@PlayerZeroStart precisely, they want to acheive something amazing and that is why they are taking so long. At least they aint lazy like activision or EA
@@PlayerZeroStart THIS, even their biggest failure of the card game, they were totally trying to revolutionize the card market
@@PlayerZeroStart I wouldn't say invent, more like redefine
fun fact: the spy originated as a bug that would let a player spawn at the other teams base with their colours but still not be on their team, which became commonly used in the community (you could still damage the "spy" player in this bug)
this sounds made up... I remember there was a "spybug" but the class was created before the bug was surfaced... I remember it being more linked to switching teams. you would switch teams to balance the server but your character would change to a different team but not switch colors, so you would be a red person in the blue team spawn and no one could kill you... eventually the server would kill you for the illegal action
Honestly I'm really glad younger TF2 players are getting curious about what predated TF2. TF Classic is a really fun game that deserves more players, so more people discovering it is a good thing IMO.
Agreed
I tried it and got stomped haha
I mean if you like being abused, harrassed and bullied for how you play or look or just anything at all then yeah check the other games with the same self proclaimed great community.
@@awesomesause. I said the game was good. I can't comment or control how other people act within said game. Sorry.
@@Wheagg Hey man, practice makes perfect. Just remember that the classes in TFC are different from TF2 (Medic being a more viable damage dealer then Scout, for example). You'll get the hang of it eventually, don't worry.
You also can’t forget the original is literally the rocket launcher from quake. Also it has the same sound design
Quake launcher is Bae, and was the best variant in TF2.
Also, cheers for the OneyGang.
Of course it is, considering the original Team Fortress (QTF) was literally a Quake mod.
Now I understand what "9 years in development" means, because Team Fortress classic was released 8 years earlier than Tf2, not 9.
wat
@@chairwood og tf2 was delayed to make tfc
@@chairwood “welcome to team fortress 2, after nine years in development it’ll hopefully have been worth the wait.”
I feel like valve has a perfect opportunity to make "Brotherhood of Arms" it's own series to rival EA's Battlefield, granted that the latter series doesn't die later this decade.
It's quite a bit late for it to be relevant, and I don't think Valve's heart would be in it.
@@amentco8445 true but this just a pipe dream for me to see valve make a original IP game again and this time in full source 2 tech, I guess S&box will have to do if we want anything like that ever again.........
They had (have?) a Battlefield clone, it was called Day of Defeat. It just didn't have the vehicles. But it was a pretty decent game regardless.
@@LividImp day of defeat just had basic "classes" that were just for different guns and it had small maps. "Brotherhood of arms" was going to be a modern, class based, vehicle combat, big map game. That definition was essentially battlefield before battlefield was even a thing as bf 1942 was released in 2004 while TF2:BOA was going to release in 1999 or 2000.
@@bulletghost3452 I used to play every one of the games mentioned in this video (accept the unreleased ones obviously). None of the games back then had side-grades like TF2 does. It was all just "basic classes" as you call it. And most BF players liked the smaller maps with less vehicles (much to my chagrin). So most of the time you'd get stuck on those maps anyway. Bigger maps only make sense in games with lots of vehicles, so there was no reason to make large DoD maps. I didn't like DoD as much as BF1942 or BF2 (as I am a big time vehicle guy), but it was mostly the same experience once you stripped the vehicles away.
I'm not saying Valve shouldn't make a modern BF clone, I absolutely wish they would, specially BF1942.
I hope someone out there remake tf2 invasion, its so freaking cool looking and I'm surprised people haven't, the aesthetics and models looks so awesome.
İ mean comen lets face it this is the great future of valve :) except half life 3 and half life 2 episode 3 and team fortress 3 and portal 3
if valve were to make tf3, the only direction they could possibly take it in, is the invasion route
I was thinking this too. With the source code leaked and all these ambitious mods like TF2C and Open Fortress you'd think someone would be attempting to reverse engineer Invasion for fun based on the premise and concept art, filling in the gaps with the current TF2 code like a video game-based version of Jurassic Park
@@faceless2302 there's been attempts
none of them have been fruitful
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I think TF3 would honestly just be TF2 ported to Source 2 with a bunch of updated models and textures, cleaned up spaghetti code, sweeping balance changes, new maps and weapons, and porting over everyone's current inventory from TF2 with some ambitious new cross-game Steam inventory technology. Maybe a major new gamemode like MvM. TF2 is basically already one of the best games ever with one of the strongest communities ever, Valve wouldn't be able to top it and convince the TF2 players to migrate by throwing everything already made out the window for something radically different like that.
Honestly, that Brotherhood of Arms iteration sounded and looked really cool
I would technically call the iteration the first "Battlefield" game concept, since bf 1942 only came out in 2004 while tf2 was supposed to come out in 2000 or 2001.
@@bulletghost3452 2002
you would like Project Reality, it's a standalone BF2 mod
Out of all the timelines, we get this version of tf2 out of all of them. Thank god.
Ngl, i like that Battlefield tf2.
@@idrissberchil25 Same here. Reminds me of Insurgency. They could have still release that game, but under a different name, not Team Fortress.
Tf 2 is a horrible game
@@flipnshifty Huh?
@@moderndemon84 clout chasing.
7:02
Okay but imagine the mindfuck of Gman showing up in the TF2 comics:
“You 9 gentleeeemen… have done excssseptionally… wwwell…. My e-e-employersss are… impresssed…”
The spy turns to scout, knowing that this will be the last time he will see him before they meet an uncertain fate. With a smile on his face, and a tear on his cheek, he tells his son,
" Well, off to visit your mother! AA- "
0:10
When you mentioned the Heavy being in these FNAF Gmod videos, it gave me MAJOR flashbacks towards the mid 2010s.
However, most of the time in these sorts of videos, it was either Scout, Engineer, Spy, or Sniper.
It was usually scout
Ah yes, the days where a re-colored Spy was used in place of a purple guy model.
@@communistbagel You just unlocked a memory
Ah yes the sssquad
I remember one of the first FNAF videos I ever saw had Scout as the security guard and for a while I didn't know he was from another game and assumed that was what the security guard looked like
An online multiplayer first person shooter with territory control and resource management sounds like one if the coolest ideas I’ve ever heard of.
Ark 1?
Empires Mod For hl2 ;)
Hydro?
@@phitsf5475 more of a survival fps if anything but I see where you're coming from.
Foxhole?
Best way to sum the the Valve "creative" process is: make some thing, scrap it, finish a project, either have it leak before release or just straight up delete It, then make a master piece just before the deadline.
Make something,scrap it,stay silent for atleast 6 years but you were silently trying to do something,scrap it again,delete the entire thing,start again,release the tech demo,decide to make games when you feel like it
@@darealepic damn straight
"just before the deadline."
Nah, Valve is notoriously ignorant of deadlines. It's ready when it's ready. Expiration Date had a deadline long before it got published and was supposed to go up on Adult Swim and Valve was just like "...uhhh, workin' on it"
8:05 A youtube video has never caught me off guard this hard
I'm currently trying to get into the TF2 community and this is the first thing I asked myself, thanks a lot man
Welcome to the community
@@Artician *hell
@@engideergaming My bad
Yeah picked a bad time I suppose
Hell to the community?
Welcome hell the community?
Welcome to hell community?
That last one actually sounds better than Welcome to the hell.
;)
This actually makes me wonder if Valve is so desperately dedicated to making good sequels, Half-Life 3 and Portal 3 really are in development, but Valve is trying to ensure that, no matter what, the games are perfect.
Artifact happened
@@sethy9046 so? if you looked at arifact itself it was quite a good game, it was sadly a fallure, even though they were trying to totally innovate the card games
Half Life 3 has been started and canceled at least twice. So, yeah.
We know they take at least Half life very seriously, was mentioned a lot because of Alyx, think it was in "Half-Life: Alyx - Final Hours", which is a documentary.
If we ever see a Half Life with a 3 on the end then either Gabe is dead and Valve has become a publically traded company or they think it can live up to its name.
see you in 9 years then lol
Great informative and fun video! And thanks for the trivia at the end!!! After 3 long weeks is nice to have a great long video!
How did you comment 1 hour ago
@@camoningerland8212 probably member
After 3 long weeks, hopefully it's been worth the wait!
It's been like 15 years and now we're finally starting to ask the big questions.
4:58 the old Scout model has Monoculus as his class emblem and the old Heavy has a pizza as his
@Silgamesh nope, it's definitely a pizza
@Silgamesh I've never been more sure in my ENTIRE LIFE!
*HOLY MONOCULUS!*
5:35 OMFG you've unlocked so many memories with that clip.. i always refrence the Coop missions you can do in TFC with the Umbrella man VIP chracter with like 32-50 players in a community made coop map but MINI GOLF was a memory lodged further deep adn you unlocked it. Thank you!!!
Great video as usual. Valve really had a knack on turning mods into a hugely successful original games like Counter-Strike, Dota 2 and Left 4 Dead (started as CS modsby Valve developers as a prototype for new zombie game they wanna make).
Thats the running story. The thing is they had a lot of people making zombie stuff, and watching the unreleased ravenholm game by arkane shows how much cutting room floor ideas made l4d what it is. Turtle rock kinda stinks...
Congratulations nick enjoy your DOTA
I remember as a kid playing TFC as a spy and being so nervous in disguise behind enemy lines. CTF was so intense!
I’d recommend more TF2 players give TFC a shot, it’s a pretty fun game and I have a feeling you’ll be shocked at the amount of classes that (fundamentally) didn’t change from 1999 to 2007.
heavy and soldier
everyone else is completely different
TFC Medic is basically TF2 Scout lol
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Not really, the only classes that had their entire core shaken up to a completely different concept are Medic and Scout. The rest have differences obviously, but are mostly the same idea. All TF2 did was take the idea and polish it
You can have a lot of fun flying into enemy base and giving everyone aids as medic
@@cassyettetape Also Pyro but that's because he is bad in every Team Fortress game.
From a cool tactical warfare game to a goofy cartoon spree
It was less cartoony when polys were scarce... but it was always goofy.
I think it was a reasonable move, actually. The world was absolutely inundated with "realistic" shooters about then in the CoD, Battlefield etc. series, while TF2 kinda clung to the earlier roots of more abstract FPS games like Quake and Unreal.
TF2 has gotten goofier over the years; it was always somewhat lighthearted in tone, but it played it's 60's spy/action flick setting a little straighter than it does now, the outright ridiculous backstory with Australium and Abraham Lincoln perfecting rocket jumping came later. TF2 was flanderized, I guess is how I'd put it.
Team Fortress 1 is Quake Team Fortress which predated Team Fortress Classic and Team Fortress 2.
congrats you simplified the video in acomment i guess
Someone needs to pin this as a TL;DR
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Honestly this video has great story telling absolute worth watching
>"To properly unravel TF2's complex origins, we're going to have to go very far into the past..."
>"In 1996,"
dang bro
To be completely fair, he did say that we'd have to go very far.
I was one of the original players in clan tournaments, part of Iron Curtain -IC-. It's crazy how I was the same age as the devs at 18-19.
I did go on to also love the crazy mod of TF, MegaTF.
One of my highschool friends who also played and designed TF maps went on to join Valve Software and worked on so many of their projects.
And keep in mind that this beautiful masterpiece of a game which first started production A QUARTER IF A CENTURY AGO is being thrown away cause Gabe realized he can sit in his castle and print billions off of steam.
a literal free money glitch IRL.
Tf2 is being picked back up because of #savetf2 so this statement is no longer all that valid
That's a nice sensationalist take, but not how Valve operates. Gabe rarely, if at all, makes decisions about what his employees do with their time -- if TF2 isn't getting updates (which it is), it's because nobody at Valve WANTS to work on it.
Valve is trying to make new games, read the final hours of half life alyx
@@snowtyler Thank you. It's angry, sensationalised reddit-ass statements like those that make the game appear far worse off to the rest of the community and paints a very unfair and inaccurate version of Valve to others. It's just simply not true.
0:30 Bing soy sighting
YOOOOOO
Really cool insight on such a storied development, and also glad to see the shoutouts to TF2 Classic, that's the first version of TF2 I've actually played properly but I love it so far
This is literally the phrase of "Which One?" followed by 17 different slightly different vials of mostly similar effects in a fantasy rpg setting
what are you talking about
lol, this is awesome. very well researched. that gman prequel idea is so funny, i kinda wish they went through with it.
epic video rimter oberthime
7:55 you basically described how we came up with the best jets in the world
Congrats, comrade. You found the secret formula
Honestly, it really would have been cool to see how the invasion version of the game would have turned out, but ultimately TF2 is just so perfect that I can’t complain.
Considering that Brotherhood of Arms was quite close to being done, I do wonder if there are any builds of it just sitting somewhere at Valve gathering dust
And now, we have an entire community centered around funny Russian guys eating sandwiches and dancing Scottish pirate Cyclopes.
In other words the most superior version of the series.
10:09 why does spy's outfit look, suspiciously german
N a z i .
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@mordecai_andrigby 😊
You should check out a half life mod named THROUGH THE CITY!
This video makes me feel old. I was there for most of it. The good ol days.
TFC was amazing. I loved it. Back in the day when I was playing Day of Defeat, CS(Pre Source) playing TFC was a great way to unwind.
my favorite part of the video: "They then rented out a house..."
I *love* how you just left in the search bar that says "Australian house"
Richter is the type of who would use "splendid and gentlemen" in his vocabulary
Great video, I was the server host on the OG modded Quake servers for Robin prior to joining Valve. A lot of nostalgia here.
I think that the team fortress universe could co-exist with the half life universe (and by extension the portal universe)
Love the use of mishaps in the reactor chamber music!
tf2 brotherhood of arms looks genuinely really cool.
would love to play something like it.
you would like Project Reality
I remember playing Team Fortress Classic so much back in the good ol' days 🥰
my left ear is being tortured by the unbalanced audio
i started playing when it first became f2p and people would complain about all the f2p kids. i believe this was around 2011-12. had a lot of fun w my 3 mains being soldier, scout and spy. i put a few hundred hours in and stopped thinking it would die out for good but im pleasantly surprised that people are still discovering the game and playing it!
It's pretty amazing to see a Quake Mod turn into a standalone game...
Like how you say, 'Well, that's all I've got today.." like almost an apology there isn't more. Nicely done and thanks for flushing out the game's history.
4:17 "Jesse McConcreteDick" and "gooner jelqer addict" sent my sides into orbit
so, after 9 years in development, it was worth the wait. nice video!
TF Classic was so much fun to play and hell, it still has its dedicated playerbase these days which is quite surprising. And yeah, the maps from TF Brotherhood Of Arms definitely inspired maps like de_dust, de_dust2 and cs_siege (just by telling from the screenshots available) for Counter-Strike.
It's important to note that TF Brotherhood Of Arms inspired the HL1 mod called Firearms which happens to have a Source version as well. The notion of the aforementioned game is there in some capacity.
You're right, the dates match and everything.
Absolutely great content man. I'm always so impressed with what you do. Learned some stuff I had no idea even existed. Laughed at some well placed memes. Keep up the fantastic work, brother. I'm hyped for the next vid drop!
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Team fortress classic is very nostalgic! I love to play it!
Wow, I used to play the Quake mod Team Fortress when I was about… 14 or so? This reeeally took me back.
Not long after, there was already talk about Team Fortress 2. One of my friends even preordered it. I have to wonder if that preorder really held up once the game came out yeeears later.
7:38 oh really? people dont want to yell at eachother in voice chat in tf2?
Something about the observer and technician, The observer in TF2 is the administrator n the tech is the engineer (obviously)
Its like this:
Observer - Commander - Administrator
Technician - Technician - Engineer
Kinda terrifying how easily we could've NEVER gotten the tf2 we all know and love today
brotherhood of arms sounds so fun and cool tbh
Team fortress classic is pretty fun and it has some game modes that tf2 does not. Also there is a tenth class in one of the modes called the civilian.
6:25 I guess you could say it was a _ubercharged_ version of the same first person strategy game.
Tbh hearing about all the stuff in the 2000s and how the internet was there makes me so sad on how i barely missed it.
The amount of weird creativity and never ending rabbit holes, of which we can only take quick peaks, is astounding... Like there were huge communities for making weird custom maps, and gamemodes and weird shit, that now are just gone... Everything was steamlined and now we have a boring straight road
What do you mean? There's still plenty of communities who create custom maps and stuff.
There's still a big amount of contributors today and untapped games and communities that just don't have surface popularity, I do miss the old net though
@@doododaadoo8673 Most of them through singular sites that have existed as the same thing for over a decade, communicate through singular hubs like Discord, and otherwise only contribute extra content and trailers to sites like this one owned by global behemoths. The old internet and it's wide array of sites and forums is all but effectively dead if you discount some small niches. Yes, there are still people who mod, maybe more than ever, but to act like they recapture the way things were in the 90s up to the mid 00s is kidding yourself.
@@amentco8445 I wasn't saying it was EXACTLY the same as it was in the 90s - mid 2000s.
Funnily enough, TF2 was my first quake-esque game and I kept asking everyone in chat how to throw grenades, much to my dismay.
you should make a video about Day of Defeat. it is my favourite valve game series/franchise.
I spent a looooot of my time growing up playing TFC and have a lot of good memories with that game, especially the map the-climb.
It would be incredible to organize some kind of "return to TFC" community event where starting at a certain date everyone who used to play this game (and new players) return to it for a few weeks.
Amazing video as always Ricther, really glad you covered this and talked about Quake Team Fortress, but why no mention The Original :(
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TF on Quake was incredible back in the day. Playing demo you could use a detpack at the right time and just wipe out the entire opposing team. There were grappling hooks too.
Came for the ARG stuff, staying to learn more about source engine. Thanks Richter!
Amazing video!
1:58
Kind of a big deal
Lol
wow, that was cool to learn! I've never played TF2 or anything but the characters are so recognisable and charming, and its really neat to learn the origins of the game!
TFC was my childhood, Truly a classic
Your script is very good, compliments on the writing!
Just discovered you. I like your speaking+info skills and voice. I was gonna sub, but I saw that a lot of your content is all in the same rather small niche. Doesn’t apply to me. But you’re very good at what you do. Respect. Hope to see you cover some other stuff in the future.
woo finally a non-arg video of yours blows up, good job!!
1:50 i saw the image
I can't believe I'm old enough that I knew exactly what you were talking about. Spent hundreds of hours playing tf1 about 25 years ago. You really made me feel old now
Thank goodness Gaben stepped in before Activision could. Activision is a scumbag company and TF2 would not be the same in the hands of Activision.
Love these kinds of weird Valve history videos a lot more than the ARG stuff, this was really well made.
2:03 true TF2 players should recognize this map
2fort
I really admire Valve that they had so much faith in the game by letting it be in development for a decade.
Team Fortress actually kinda started even before Quake Team Fortress. Starting as a Doom 2v2 map. The very same map that inspired modern day 2Fort. (The original map was known as “2 Fortresses”)
fortress.wad only served as an inspiration for 2fort5/2fort. The map was made by a different guy.
Uh oh! My Heart Just Stopped!
OOooooh There It Goes
@ 10:06 I've never noticed before that the early version of those spawn doors are modeled after the TFC version.
also
"writes tfc adventure maps in notes for werid map videos"
The Technician And The Observer Sound Cool.
I think it's funny that people say the Commander class wasn't fun, when Natural Selection 1/2, Hell Let Loose, even Battlefield 4/Hardline all have Commander roles in them that function pretty well whilst keeping the game fun.
While true, it's also worth noting that all those games have something that the original TF2 didn't:
They're not running on GoldSource and have far more ram, cpu and gpu power to play with. :p
@@arandompasserby7940 Pretty sure NS1 was a Goldsource mod.
@@forwardtsender8573 Ah, you are indeed correct.
I think people don't realize how much Robin Walker is a fan of strategy. Look at his Steam profile, Battle Brothers he has 1,002 hours on. This must've influenced why they'd attempted RTS. The real reason is that it was too exploitable and it just did not fit the game. He also worked on Dota 2.
I think it shouldn't be underestimated just how much RPG-like and strategy elements that are present in these games. It's a whole rabbit hole of it own.
Woa i had no idea about the quake mod, so cool! I hope its still around I wanna boot it up sometime.
0:33 the game posted on april fools
"...We're going to have to go very far into the past."
And now I feel old, Team Fortress was my favourite game of the period along with Future vs Fantasy, I sunk a lot of time into both of those!
Dude, I thought of this today in the shower, and people think Matrix is only a movie
I still remember the good ol days playing TFC on Well and 2Fort though WON. Oh the yesteryears before steam..