Confusing Groceries: Vegan "Meat"
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2024
- Part 18 in a series about the most confusing items to shop for in the grocery store covers vegetarian meat dishes like "meat-free meatballs"... why would they be called that??
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Ship of Theseus: culinary edition
Ramen, roux with cream cheese, sausage. Chicken Alfredo pasta?
@@aterack833 sure, but it's still not vegan.
@@coolidgpyou could use vegan cream cheese and vegan sausage if you wanted to (or i guess "cream cheeze" and "saus'ge" or whatever they're calling it)
@@coolidgp i didn’t see the title
It’s more like why would you want to make the vegan food to look like or taste look like meat? It’s like a cannibal went vegan but make food look like human or human parts also taste like human and call it human organs name… don’t you think that’s gross?
I’m always amazed at how unbelievably repetitive comments are on vegan food accounts
Yeah, we literally make fun of vegans for constantly going "i'm vegan" and then people do that....
@@okidokidraws i forgive you for going "i'm vegan" this time
I’d rather be told what it actually is ,then further explained if I don’t understand.
I understand the concept and intention of vegan imitation foods but it’s still misleading ..
I don’t want to participate in eating something that is not fully transparent from the start.
I don’t have hate towards vegans . However I don’t trust or respect them if they don’t name things for what they are.
I have tried many different vegan foods. Some are okay.
But putting a steamed carrot with yeast extract and soy sauce then calling it a hotdog is absurd.
theyre so easily triggered by veganism
ironic
@@chanceDdog2009 but if you're okay with being further explained if you don't understand, and you don't understand it being called vegan meat, is that not just the exact same situation for you...? Like, clearly if you were given "vegan____," your first reaction would be to say "How do you make ____ vegan?"
It amazes me when people forget the entire point of language is just to communicate as efficiently and specifically as possible.
It doesn't amaze me, when people say "it amazes me", when it's not true.
It's a bit tiresome, though.
I see what you're saying because saying "vegan meatball" is the easiest way of describing the food and it will give you a pretty accurate idea of what to expect. So in that sense it's the most accurate and clear description. But it's very unclear contradictory in another sense, because obviously it can't be a MEAT ball if it's vegan, so that's probably where the confusion comes from.
Ironic because those two ideas are actually contradictory in most cases. The more specific you try to be the less efficient it becomes. Language is about striking an appropriate balance between specificity and efficiency.
@GlimB There is no better way to say it though. Also meat does not always equate meat in every language. In german there is "fruit meat" which is the edible part of citrus fruits like oranges. Saying "round pea protien balls" just won't make you think of what it actually is, a meatless meatball
@@GlimBI don't believe there is genuine confusion. There is only anti-vegan sentiment.
Also, as a vegetarian, I wanted to add one more thing: it helps us distinguish between what products are meant to taste like meat versus which will taste like veggies . If I see "smoky tempeh," I'm expecting it to taste like tempeh, but if I see "plant based bak'n" I'm expecting it to at least resemble bacon
That makes a lot of sense, actually. I'll admit I can get nitpicky when it comes to meat names for plantbased food, but if think about it, I'm more annoyed at a certain grocery chain in my country. They've been pushing their own line of vegan products and claiming it's "for the environment" when it's obvious they just want to line their pockets selling vegetables for meat prices. I guess I've been projecting that on all vegans😅
Smoky is an adjective. It's a suitable descriptor. Bacon, though, is a noun, referring to a very specific thing with flavor profiles and basic physiological response triggers that imitators can't possible expect to mimic. It might be useful to people already practicing vegetarian diets, but it's the worst possible PR move for trying to "spread the good word" and try to get people to eat more vegetable content in their diets.
@@seansinger640 the idea is to make it taste like bacon though. If it's trying to taste like a unique thing, like be a substitute, then it's fair that it would just be referred to based on its ingredients. But if it's trying to imitate a certain food, then I think the naming mechanism they use is apt, although it risks not actually tasting like what it's supposed to, which can alienate people from it.
plenty of meat substitutes do a good job of tasting similar to what they're replacing. Generally the issue I have is texture, at least in my limited experience.
"at least resemble bacon" had to lol
This makes a lot more sense to me than what he says in the video. All his examples are just "if I called it what it is, you wouldn't know what it is."
I think Kenji put it perfectly in his crispy oven fried wings video; “language is used to communicate things. If I say ‘oven fried’ you know that they’re like fried wings but I baked them in the oven.”
@@potbird5401 What a great anecdote! Your life must be full of wonder.
@@DangerSquiggles It would be nice if that were true
@@potbird5401 try morning star farms their substitutes taste so close to the original & have a good flavor
No, I didn’t, until you told me you baked them. There’s a reason we I have different words for ‘bake’ and ‘fry’ smh
@@cloudmastr8105 Your insight into semantics is astounding
Even as a meat eater, I can understand that just because someone decides for ethical reasons they are vegan, it does not necessarily mean they dislike the taste of animal products. It makes sense, especially if you grew up eating animal products, that you'd be interested in meals that 'replicate' those comforing meals and flavour profiles.
You get it
vegetarian*
majority of vegans are those that shove veganism down peoples throats with a small amount of them being dom estic terror ists,
Vegetarians dont eat meat, but still use aminal by-products.
Vegans on the far end are the ones blocking traffic and camping out blocking butcher shops and plants, and violating food security laws.
there are some vegans that just want to live their lives in their own world, then there is the far end.
THANK YOU. It's like people can't comprehend others making lifestyle choices for reasons other than personal preference. Or maybe they don't want to admit that veganism is an ethical stance rather than a silly dietary fad
100% agree, i love meat but its expensive and not the healthiest always. Thats why i love channels that teach ways of making meat dishes meat free so i can hopefully get closer to a diet with a lot less meat
Also kill free lab meat, technically not vegan because animal product, but same idea
For those of us who speak Spanish, chingaderinera sauce is VERY explanatory.
All I hear him say chingadera sauce
plus, it's not impossible to just explain the new name. With the professional yap artists that most vegans are, this shouldn't be a problem. They're leaning on the culinary attractiveness of meat to sell their noncomparable products
so fuckin funny dawg
@@schwig44yap artist 😂
Or those of us who work construction with Hispanics
If platypus milk can exist without platypus nipples, i don't see why coconut milk can't exist without coconut nipples.
(This comment is a joke. I just wanted an excuse to share the weird fact I know. That fact being that Platypuses excrete their milk through their skin and not through a nipple like other mammals do.)
I like your joke :)
@@internetshaquille Almond milk was popular among the rich during the middle ages for gawds sac.
I assume those people correcting people about vegan meat or coconut milk are just technical geniuses via Seanbaby. “You're smart enough to spot a technicality, but too dumb to know everyone else did too and it was light years away from the point.”
Or people who have a need for things to fit within exact definitions.
(Thats me, calling something it isn’t can and will give me a panic attack)
@@GodlyDra you should get an ocd or autism assessment (not an insult btw i hope you're doing ok but that's not a regular behavior for most people afaik and could very well be a sign of neurodivergence)
@@GodlyDra
are you serious
@@d.h.foster8937
Yes.
I am always serious.
@@GodlyDra you can just imagine the word "imitation" in the phrase if it helps. Vegan imitation meat or coconut imitation milk are both correct and clear in their meaning
I miss the 90s when you could say coconut milk without everyone shreeking and writhing like a worm on arizona cement in july.
What a simile
Omg must be tough be persecuted like that all the time
Try being queer, non white, disabled, fat etc 😘
(Obviously idk if you're any of those things, but given your comment, it's seems unlikely)
@@439801RS try being white we get a lot of anti-hate if thats the proper word because oh we had shitty ancestors just like everyone else and lots of the uber rich are white
@@439801RS hey friend. i hope your day is going well and the world is kind to you today.
People who hate vegans also hate those people so @@439801RS
People will scream about the existence of a vegan cheeseburger but are completely fine with chicken burger
I just call it the chicken sandwich if there's breading on the chicken, and the grilled chicken sandwich otherwise. It'd be a chicken burger of it was ground chicken, but that would be gross and I'd rather just have a chicken sandwich.
@@druhu4590 just call it a chicken burger like a normal person
@druhu4590 Turkey burger, bison burger?
It's a chicken sandwich. I would never call it a chicken burger. You in the UK?
Only if by "chicken burger", they mean "ground chicken shaped into a patty", and not "fried chicken". Just like how I have no problem with a vegan burger, or a vegetarian cheeseburger.. but cheese is required for a cheeseburger, and coagulated soy juice is not cheese.
As a carnivore myself I really don’t understand the comments made on vegan accounts. Vegans dont not like meat. They don’t eat meat for various reasons like the environment or the well-being of animals it has nothing to do with taste or anything 😭
You are mostly right, but I actually am revolted by most meat and have been vegetarian my whole life because of it...but yeah I'm vegan for all the other reasons you implied lol
i have been vegetarian for 7 years, and even before that, i did not like meat. i thought anything on a bone (like chicken legs) was disgusting. pork grossed me out. but it was all that was given to me and i had to eat. meat is also super normal to eat and is encouraged to eat as the "main" for every meal (except maybe breakfast, where sausage and bacon are more like sides). not to mention meat-free options + protein substitutes like chick'n nuggets just weren't around years ago / weren't easily accessible. if i had vegetarian options available as a kid, maybe i wouldn't have gone hungry so often.
I am vegetarian and I miss meat, lol. I just fill the void with carbs.
I have no thoughts and I must seethe
The Shorts-Watcher's Prayer
Bros mind is a cymbal monkey clapping away😭
Is this a reference to I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream?
But will you also be coping and seething?
@@fletcherhorn7709everything is
Also important to note that the practice of calling milk-like substances "whatever-milk" is literally like thousands of years old.
Nutmilk (get it out of your system) is not a particularly complex thing to come up with and we are not the first to do so.
any1 want to get nutmilk out of my system....
😋@@DarkMAGA
It's nut juice
@@maryfaith8286 cow milk is just modified bovine sweat, i think i'll take the nut juice.
@@maryfaith8286 thats what I said, but the health inspector said I couldn't sell "Cum"
Yet these people never seem to need to cry about something like "boneless wings" which arent wings at all.
The smarter among us think both vegan meat and boneless wings are crimes against humanity. Or at the very least marketing nonsense used to divide and create false senses of superiority. But i like crimes against humanity better, just feels better on my tongue. Much like real meat as compared to either vegan substitutes or boneless abominations.
This is actually an ongoing debate amongst carnivores, you only brought it up because you or someone else has complained about it
And thank goodness they aren't, I prefer breast meat over any other piece of chicken.
it’s just the truth, i’m not going to look up a “tofu burger” i’m going to look up a “vegan burger” and even see recipes or ideas i wouldn’t have thought of like using mushrooms or synthetic meat
That sounds like a personal problem.
@@seansinger640 there wasn't even a problem in the comment you are replying to
Chingaderinara sauce! 😂😂😂 I spit my water!
😂 I'm going to use that. Thanks!
Same here. I live in Spain but I love Mexican slang.
I love it too! I’m going to use the name it’s so funny
😂😂😂 people are sleeping on how good that was
that shit made me & my bf bust up 😂
Their heads would probably pop off if they knew how old alternative milks are 😂
They know. It's just a running joke.
Samuel Johnson's first dictionary from 1755 lists almond milk as one definition of milk. There are written recipes from 1000 years ago, and even English language ones from as early as 1390.
vegans would be in heaven if i gave them a vegan chicken sanwitch with chicken, and tel them why it taste so good. I will just tell them "the chicken only ate vegetable and no bugs or other animals.
@@njujuznem6554 native Americans have been refuring to a nut milk as milk for way before Columbus
Because its milky, both resembling milk and cloudy or opaque in colour. Many things can be called milk/milky.
If I didn’t love this channel before, I certainly do now. Simply for pointing out the obvious about vegan food naming conventions, and that these comments are not coming from a place of curiosity, but place of perceived superiority
Also if someone is looking for ideas on how to veganize an existing recipe how are they supposed to find your 'flax seed and flour breaded seitan with italian seasonings over pasta with marinara sauce' recipe by name?
But that's not a vegan version of the recipe. It's a different recipe. Doesn't have to be a bad thing.
Does anyone really know what's in "bolognese?" Call it "veganese" and let people grow into it.
I'm not even a vegan and I get super annoyed by the anti-vegan rhetoric.
I get super annoyed by vegans constantly learning their superiority over others
@@munchsownil558 Same bro, same.
@@munchsownil558Both are dumb
@@munchsownil558 i have met so many vegans and literally none of them are like that.
@@munchsownil558how often do you interact with vegans in your day to day life that justifies you being weird about other people's diets? Because I've met far more people like you in my life than these so called "annoying vegans" I hear so much about
This vid made me subscribe.. thanks for the objective view ... think all these debates are pointless and are just people butthurt
I would argue a burger does not even necessitate meat, we will still specify the type of filing in a burger as beef, pork, turkey, chicken, salmon, ect. So saying a chickpea, plant based, vegan, whatever burger is... normal. Being a burger has way more to do with preparation and assembly than what the patty is made of.
I'm a barista, the other day I was working and a lady came in to get a cappuccino. Upon my asking what kind of milk she wanted, she said cow's milk, and proceeded to explain to me that oat/pea milk isn't actually milk, and it's not allowed to be called milk. Instead, it's oat "DRINK". I smiled and nodded but inside was like oh my god please shut the fuck up, everyone KNOWS it isn't real milk, but can't we call it that since it's how it's used anyway???
Edit: you guys I don't live in the US, please stop assuming 💀
You should have said that you actually were asking about goat vs cow milk. That would have stumped her.
Assuming this was in the US, she's not even correct. The FDA basically said it's fine to call it soy (or almond, flax, oat, etc.) milk because people aren't dumb enough to think that it's actual milk.
The best response though probably would have been to say "I'm asking you if you want whole milk or nonfat."
@@J.Tarrou not in the US! I'm in the Netherlands :) Also my cafe only uses whole milk, we don't have other fat percentage options... that's not really a common thing outside of the US, tbh. Anyway, a quick Google search tells me that apparently, they're taxed as soda here... Which is actually insane, like what does almond milk have in common with COKE? 😐💀 idk if that has changed after backlash against the law last year, but I have other things to do so I'm not gonna look more into it lol
@@thenarwhalmage hahaha I'll keep that in the pocket for next time! I need some more witty/funny/non-offensive responses for sure. That same week actually, I asked a lady what kind of milk she wanted ("cow or plant-based") and she was like "oh I don't want breast milk thanks"
?????
She started preaching to me about how cow milk is actually breast milk so OF COURSE she wants the plant based milk... Idk what happened that week, all the weirdos wanted coffee apparently 😅
Just say you also had sheep milk in stock to shut her the he'll up
this has got to be one of my top 10 annoyances in food communities and it seems to always come from bad faith commenters who are just looking to cause conflict..
Like yes, everybody knows almond milk isn't really milk. the "milk" part is a descriptior letting you know its color, taste and consistency are intended to make it a potential replacement for milk, and everybody understands that is isn't really milk from a mammal. but some people insist on being snarky about such things, saying "just call it juice", when that name would imply an entirely different purpose in the kitchen and would not properly convey what it is intended for. and calling it "Almond-derived milk substitute" is just too wordsome for a normal person conversation.
as long as you have the Neccessary qualifiers that make it clear you arent consuming the thing ( milk, burger, etc) its perfectly acceptable language that 99% of the poulation understands without having to be explained that is isn't the "real" thing. the only people regularly being stnarky about it are the pople who for some reason or another aren not happy with the idea of such alternatives existing in the first place.
I've seen some brands call almond milk, almond beverage.
@@jennyknopps1291Probably because legally they can't actually call it milk. But in layman speaking it really doesn't matter
@@jennyknopps1291 Big Milk (actually a thing) has spent decades and billions upon billions on lobbying governments to do things like advertise cow milk in schools, etc. - and when plant-based milks started getting popular they set their sights on getting legislation passed to prevent almond/oat/etc. milk from being described milk. It's largely promoted not because of any positive health effects (in fact a number of the 'commonly known' positive health effects aren't supported by science), it's because these companies spend an absurd amount of money on it.
@@Ash_Wen-lisame with "dairy-free frozen dessert" instead of "ice cream"
I think what’s especially annoying is when they call it something new and then people comment dumb shit like “oh so it’s a burger with no meat”. You can’t win. It leaks into all food content comments, it is so annoying. Like the cowboy caviar discourse.
As a New England native, the very idea of "a lobster roll but shrimp instead" stunlocked my brain, like a verbal flashbang
Right? It was so totally *wrong*.
Shrimp roll would be simpler and less confusing
Best advice I got in culinary school: Name generate expectations. Never name a dish with a name you know will have an expectation it cant meet.
Really wish people would take this to heart. I'm so tired of people posting recipes for "the best xyz EVER!" and it's just mediocre at best. I'm sorry Sharon, but you can't tell me to cook my chicken breast at the surface temperature of the sun and claim it'll taste like anything else other than old shoe casserole.
EXACTLY.
everyone talks about how vegans are annoying but honestly the comments under any vegan video are way lamer than anything ive heard a vegan say
Ikr, it's hilarious
The only people making a stink in comment sections are people who are trying to bait vegans with saying how good cows taste, or they're making the same 3 arguments about why not eating meat is worthy of capital punishment
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Meatheads are way more anoying than the most extreme vegans. I even got into an argument with a meathead who was mad about vegan mayo being called mayo. Because 'the egg is a core ingredient."
Yeah ive met only one vegan that honestly was way worse than the majority of comments on vegan stuff.
most egan videos show you healthy and or yummy content. it's guilt baby. x
Also, the more archaic definition of "meat" is pretty much any food. Like people call the flesh of coconut the "meat".
Yeah I say that all the time when they say stop changing the meaning of words. Meat used to mean any non liquid food.
This is technically still true in languages like swedish, our word for food is "mat" which is etymologically the same as "meat".
"Meat pies" and "sweet meats"...I think I heard meat is like "beverage", a term for non-plant foods
Seen a lot of vegan food ppl making this point but it's good to see it coming from someone who is more mainstream! A lot of vegans like myself like the taste of meat etc we just don't want to contribute to animal suffering so that's why we have these substitutes!
LMFAO at the "Chingaderinera sauce".
Same with people who say "this would be better with meat" OK THEN MAKE IT WITH MEAT, THIS VEGAN CHANNEL ISNT FOR YOU
So much for living togther in respectful harmony.
@@brianvalenti1207 yeah fr tho. Like I watch vegan channels to gain ideas for recipes that wouldn't typically be easy to find otherwise. I like a good meatless Monday here and there. I also enjoy meat over tofu. It's simply preference.
So much internet drama could be avoided if people were able to just say "This isn't for me, I'll go watch something else"
I never understand those types of comments. If you don't want a vegetarian/vegan recipe then why are you here? Are you incapable of going one meal without some kind of meat? Will you only eat rice if it's cooked in chicken broth?
The ones I hate are the accounts that just HAVE to complain anytime a cooking channel uploads a vegan recipe, despite the fact that the channel already has tons of fantastic meat recipes.
Gonna hop into a hamburger video's comments and ask why they're calling it a hamburger when there's no ham
No ham and hopefully no person from Hamburg, but you never know
Bc it's derived from the name hamburg steak, originating in Hamburg, Germany. A minced steak with seasoning and onion. 🌈 The More You Know.
Sure, ya could. It'd be dishonest and disingenuous, and also a terrible argument, but sure. Go for it.
"Chingaderinara sauce"
AHAHAHHHAHHAAAA. I'ma start using that for every sauce I've never et before! You've made my day!
It's also about "What is this good for?" "Vegan chicken" would be used to replace chicken in a recipe. "Vegan burger" would be made like a hamburger. Etc.
thank you for this man 😭 whenever i read those comments i just want to scream "are you really that stupid or are you just trying to rage bait??" it's always "erm why vegan eat something that isn't meat if they don't eat meat? checkmate liberal i am very smart" god forbid we try new things!! why does calling vegan "meat" meat make them seethe so hard like they own the word meat
At this point i just dismiss most comments like that as actual industrial astroturfing, if nothing else it's best for your mental health to assume that it's just a team of people making 50000 accounts to post propaganda.
@swedneck is that actually best for your mental health tho?
@@KraziEyevin Yes.
Sometimes people are really that stupid... Sometimes it's people seeing anger as a fun thing. Sometimes it's both...
Not vegan at all, but Vegetarian and Vegan food chefs are one of the more creative people on the platform. Like seriously, some of their stuff are incredibly sustainable and cheap... Probably would be helpful if your budget is tight.
And I absolutely never get why the hate...
For Industrial sized out of touch corporate trying to cash in on Vegetarianism... Sure, they're out of touch after all.
But for at home cooks and stuff? Really? You saw a person made curry with incredibly cheap ingredients and you're mad at that?
They're really showing their ignorance because the word "meat" originally means ANY kind of food, not just flesh. "Meat and drink" meant you were going have a meal, not that it had to include a hunk of animal.
“Actually Megan, I can’t picture anything in my mind’s eyes, I have aphantasia.”
Unconscious physiological response triggers have no time for your condescending tone nor your lack of understanding of biology. They're too busy starting a chain reaction of expectations, from metabolic responses to literal salivation, in the expectation of bacon which will never come, with tempeh masquerading in its place.
Vegan meat is the "dad dressed up in a Spider-Man costume for his kid's birthday party that nobody asked for or wanted, but who gets really offended that you didn't appreciate his effort" of foodstuffs.
FRANKLY, Chingaderinara tells me exactly what I needed to know.
People are so childish when it comes to vegan/vegetarian food, like why are you getting your knickers in a twist over the absence of meat, you're not being forced to eat it, calm down
I assume it's because they see the existence of vegan food as a moral judgement on them as meat eaters and it freaks them out. Cos anyone would get narky when their food source is threatened and when someone says "The factory farming industry is despicably cruel and we shouldn't support it." there's literally no come back. So they just get mad at the mere existence of vegans and vegan food, as if that will change the fact that they are participating in a corrupt system. I get it, so few people have the power, time, energy and money to change how things are done, even just for themselves, but it doesn't excuse how incredibly stupid and selfish the attitude is.
As a vegan who faces this conversation CONSTANTLY just in life, THANK YOUUUUUU
Stop appropriating normal food, you don’t wanna eat meat, you don’t get to eat the derivatives
@@ajgeraci7699says who?
why do you care abt us? thr fact we have a hotdog-like wuth plants dorsnt make your foos worse. @@ajgeraci7699
@@ajgeraci7699 did you invent eating or something?
@@chiko4536 lmaooooo
No that “chingaderinera” comment might be one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard you say lmfaooo
OMG Chingaderanera Sauce ☠️ PLEASE do call it that. Imma call mine that
Chingaderinara sauce is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day
I can assure Chingaderinara sauce is tasty 😂
stahp 😂
Okay but those morningstar crumbles made into sloppy Joe's are really good
beyond spicy crumbles go crazy
"Chingaderanara sauce" made me spit out my drink laughing, i havent recovered
Dude these scripts are so good
Yeah, these people aren’t genuinely asking these questions.
Most of them Exactly it’s just a gotcha question
That's because taking vegans seriously is sillier than being a vegan. Mockery is appropriate.
@@MBaron14 it is ? Are you sure it isn’t because you know deep down that they are right? That kill animals for taste pleasure isn’t a good justification??
@@SSStofu008Not even close. The wildlife killed to cater to vegan food production doesn't make you saintly, my guy.
@@MansMan42069 you realize animal agriculture causes 91% of forest distruction right?
Every problem caused by plants is multiplied by 10-15x for animal agriculture because it takes 10-15x the calories
When I hear someone going about that „issue” I say „why you calling that hotdog instead of cylindrical shaped ground buttholes?”. Why they are so mad for no reason, there are worse things in the world than someone calling plants a sausage ffs.
I really wish you hadn't reminded me about hotdog ingredients
@@soulchoreahey, if it’s good it’s good. No need to think bout the ingredients.
@@edgaranalhoe7678 absolute facts. As long as everything is safe to eat and you enjoy eating it, the ingredients really don't matter that much
Coconut nipples.
@@Absurdtheisticexactlyyy, my man
Wow, this felt like a tiny video essay. Really nicely done RUclips short
I feel bad for all those who have never suckled the coconut teet
Also words are just associations of concepts so for example meatballs refer to anything fitting it'd associations (round, meaty, specific texture and flavor) so if something recreates most of it and people recognize it as such it is that thing
Try Soy Spheres
@@Eggy79 no
Vegetable balls.
Until someone sue
So if I take rat poison and somehow make it resemble meatballs in every sense, I get to call them meatballs? You see the issue right?
This short resonates with me as someone who molds ground beef into the shape of vegetables.
It's not fish, it's fish based seaweed strips 👍
Loving these short form explanation vids
“Chinga-deri-nara sauce.” Omg I’m dead!
That's because the comments made aren't in good faith. They aren't guninely asking, they just want to express their disdain for vegans.
Im glad someone out there is explaining the duh logic behind it. Im not vegan or vegetarian, but i do understand why is sometimes called "vegan stake" etc.
People at this point wants to be annoying
It's actually a good explanation. It applies in a most cases. I personally still feel some content creators stretch definitions to some ridiculous points sometimes, but I see what you're saying.
This guy’s faith in his viewing audience’s knowledge never fails to amaze me
This short is peak commentary and very funny
The name is about the purpose, you can use a veggie sausage in the same way as you use a sausage. Soy milk can be used as milk.
Peanut butter can be spread on toast like a butter. But it's not butter.
Nice job contradicting yourself
It's about its purpose in one, but things with butter in the name can't be used as butter
Truly awe inspiring how little people proof read or even think at all 😂😊
@@439801RS Are you retarded? He just explained how it can be used as butter.
By the way, "proofread" is one word and you need punctuation at the ends of your sentences.
@@439801RS???
The comment they made didn't contradict itself at all. Read it again. 😂
@439801RS you never put peanut butter on bread?
@@Liloldliz do you fry an egg in peanut butter?????
One thing i come across which i love is people saying something like "For people who eat meat use [insert meat] instead" and its always very nice. Seeing the inverse is also nice.
As a Mexican, “Chingaderanera Sauce” made me giggle like a schoolgirl. 😅
I think most vegan haters are not arguing or criticizing in good faith. They see it as an affront to their very lifestyle. So no matter what you do or what you say, they're gonna get pissed.
I eat meat, but rationally speaking there is no moral reason for eating meat.
Yeah, I'd say that's part of it. By saying "I don't eat meat for ethical reasons" etc you are saying that eating meat is unethical. The other part of it is that a lot of vegan versions of foods are REALLY STRETCHING to claim to resemble their non vegan counterparts. For example, I once ate vegan "fettuccine alfredo" that was made with spiral cut zucchini and cashew based sauce. It wasn't half bad, but it was so far from actual fettuccine alfredo that to call it that is absurd and ridiculous. Same with vegan "meats" that almost always don't even resemble the real thing.
No one sees a vegan diet as an affront to their lifestyle. They just think vegans are stupid and like making fun of them.
Vegans are the flat Earthers of the culinary world.
@@zootsuiter eating meat is unethical to them. Why? Because ethics isn’t a clear defined thing and they see the shit conditions that the animals live in and as such do not think the suffering these animals go through is worth it for their food.
I think that there a plenty of cases online where people aren’t saying it in good faith, but there’s also plenty of cases where vegan or vehicles chefs or cooking account stretch terms too far to make any sense. You can have a veggie nugget, but there are no vegan chicken nuggets, it’s not chicken. The nugget aspect is sufficient to describe the form of the food being replicated and chicken, in chicken nugget describes what the nugget is made of.
Thank you! I’m not vegan but I don’t much give a sht if people use the language they’re familiar with to describe what they’re eating, it literally hurts no one.
I’m surprised at how this channel’s shorts are becoming my new favorite daily routine
This video oddly reminded me of one where with mother was preparing her sons a "meatless" dinner for...lint... i think. She then proceeds to make a seafood broil with chicken broth.
YES! I saw a video on that (idk if we’re thinking about the same thing), she was going to make a meatless dinner and immediately made seafood broil, someone people in the comments also spotted some sausages.
Sir, you make this world a better place with these videos
I dont understand the vegan hate. Like unless they're evangelists about their diet (which every vegan I've met in person has if anything tried to hide the fact), why care about what they eat or how they name the food. "BuT iT wAs GrOwN iN a LaB," I've met people that were born through IVF, I've never met someone who said they aren't a person. Why is it suddenly difficult when it comes to what some individuals choose to eat?
I’ve been called a “science” baby, vs a “God-given” baby. Some people are just super weird about any sort of technology.
I think it's because food is so tied to our culture, it's such a fundamental thing to our survival and thus we instinctually care a lot about what we eat, plus astroturfing campaigns from the meat industry.
When you grow up in a culture where meat is a central part of dishes, the idea of getting rid of the meat sort of becomes an attack on your culture, and the meat industry merrily embraces and pushes that narrative so that people won't switch away from their products and stop giving them money. Thus the idea that replacing meat/dairy with vegan stuff is somehow bad.
It's not a diet; if it was there would be no need to 'evangelize.' It's a boycott. Guess how those work?
My guess is that the mere existence of vegans implies that eating meat is wrong. If someone says that they believe eating meat is evil, and you eat meat, then either they’re wrong or you’re evil. If someone doesn’t have a solid philosophical argument for why they eat meat or the introspection to come up with one, then their only option is to attack the entire concept to avoid having an uncomfortable conversation with themselves.
When I first became a vegetarian as a teenager, my religious friends would tell me that God created the animals for us to use and not eating meat was blasphemous.
I think folks in the Bible Belt often feel this way. I wonder if they ever consider that millions and millions of people in India, China, Japan etc are vegetarian/vegan for religious reasons.
Miracle Whip is not legally allowed to call itself mayonnaise, it has to be called a "dressing." But a vegan alternative to mayo is allowed to call itself "Just Mayo." This inconsistency is the problem.
My family would get meatballs that were made of tofu and would call them "meatless meatballs", I know that if my parents had called them something like "tofu meatballs" me and my sister would have refused to eat them purely because we thought we didn't like tofu. Now, I prefer them to regular meatballs.
If it doesn't come from cococows it's not coco milk
This gave me a good chortle.
You mean cocogoats?
When I was little, my dad told me that chocolate milk came from brown cows and I believed it for the longest time 😂
Everyone knows that coconut milk comes from coconut cows, just like chocolate milk comes from browns cows and strawberry milk comes from pink cows.
@@kevinmoynihan5118 yes, chocolate milk is exclusively made on Earl J Browns farm.👌
Shrimp roll is a standard item in New England. A shrimp lobster roll would have both. Not at all the same as adding an adjective to indicate an absence of an ingredient. The better comparison is crab vs artificial crab. Nobody sees the adjective and thinks they are getting real crab. Nobody should think they are getting an animal product if the word vegan is on the label.
The word vegan is is just a substitute for the word substitute
This right here! Shrimp rolls exist, this guy is just oblivious and stupid to it.
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle not always. mock crab is typically just fish; vegan would be associated with imitation without animal products
I love this confusing groceries series
Coconut nipples is a combination of words I never thought I'd hear.
"Coconut Nipples" is what I call my girlfriend.
I'm from the Carribbean, it may comfort some to know that coconut milk existed as an ingredient way before the vegan or even vegetarian movements
Gochujang and mezcal?? That sounds crazy lol
he has a video on that sauce and it really is great. I make it about every couple of months and it's always a treat!
This tech will come in handy on mars, Lord knows we're not taking livestock over there
NGL fam, I found you a couple days ago and your content is on point.
Plant and animal milks all taste bad to me, but cheese is delicious.
THANK YOU it’s also easier to find Replacements for your favorite foods
Some things they take too far. I saw a recipe for "vegan nachos" and it was apple slices drizzled in caramel and chocolate chips. It's like, you can make nachos vegan, apples caramel and chocolate chips are not nachos.
that's a separate issue, and is just people wanting free PR by jumping on a term that people are looking for.
@@swedneck they must want bad pr
Caramel isn't vegan though? Like unless they were using vegan caramel it would have cream and butter in it. Same with chocolate chips.
@@cayenne_pepper7665chocolate is a bean product. It's completely vegan unless somebody adds dairy to it.
@cayenne_pepper7665 better police your people lol
This irritates me a lot. Its like people have never heard of a misnomer before
This 'seahorse' doesn't even have hooves. Checkmate, liberals.
Lots of people call pumas "mountain lions" like they're lions or exclusively live in mountains
There is also "milk of Magnesia", does it imply "nipples of Magnesia"?
People are dumb
It's funny because most of the rest of this guy's recent shorts are explaining confusing groceries. Almost all of these confusing groceries began as misnomers for the sake of communicating what the product is like.
These vegan products are just the next wave of that. It's not particularly confusing now, but give it 20 years. Manufacturers will start being intentionally deceptive, once the standard for calling things "chicken" that are not chicken is set. It won't be long before few people realize that "Chick'N" is not just a branding of "chicken," but rather an intentionally deceptive way to not be falsely advertising. The large "Plant-based" label will be small, or non-existent.
For an existing example of exactly this... see bac'n bits. How many consumers actually think they contain bacon?
@@hcn6708 organic chemistry (although it wasn't a misnomer at the time the term was adopted)
@dracofile8825
You may have heard the word misnomer, but you obviously don't know what it means.
mom is vegetarian so growing up, and still today, we have “grillers” on regular rotation. Theyre good! Love the maple breakfast patties by Morningstar too
Morningstar Spicy Chick'n patties are better than any of the actual chicken brands.
I’m not vegan but I look up a lot of vegan recipes because they often give me novel ways to use veggies.
Coconut Nipples ..got me 😂
thanks Shaq, you are my favorite non-plant-based youtuber. but still based nonetheless
The thing is none of this helps the food become iconic on its own, and thus can never be seen outside of the confines of, say, the chicken nugget. So it'll always be seen as an alternative and not as a first choice
Making carbonara with bacon in america
Italians: UMMM DONT CALL IT CARBONARA
Ceasar Salad with chicken and no anchovies (or either or)
people just get pedantic over some of the weirdest stuff while not following through with other similar stuff
It was originally bacon. Carbonara with guanciale is the fancy kind.
i swear ya tell someone you're a vegetarian and you always get the same like 5 questions asked and it's practically always done in bad faith i should just start carrying around a business card or some shit for these people with a little FAQ on the back
Honestly its just another manifestation of the need to be right that is so prevalent now a days. People are so wrapped up in proving they are smarter than everyone else that they will "ummm actually" at any chance they get. And as this becomes more common, the bar for accuracy just gets lower and lower. As long as people with bad faith arguments can get other insufferanlt people on their side, these kind of comments will always exist
I can listen to this guy forever.
"Coconut nipples" was my nickname in high school.
Imagine if people complained 20 years ago about how cellphones are not actually phones or email is not actually mail.
I'm with you but cellphones are phones and email is mail lol.
@@_MrTrue Email isn't even a physical thing, just ones and zeros sent over the internet.
Almond milk is way more like milk (white emulsion containing water and fat) than email is like mail.
I'm not saying we shouldn't call those thing that, just that if you won't call almond milk milk because theres no nipple on almonds, then you should be consistent and talk about your portable computer than can make calls.
@@MaxAim I mean you logic kind of falls apart, because that's why its called Electronic mail and not JUST Mail
@@leepicgaymer5464 and that's why it's called almond milk and not just milk. But people also say "I got your mail" sometimes, so it should be ok to say just milk when talking about almond milk.
@@MaxAim With stuff like that it’s just people being annoying, but it makes sense to question when a meat is specifically referenced, not as in meatballs or burger where that also describes form, but as in “vegan chicken tacos”. The word “chicken” has no place in there and doesn’t meaningfully describe anything.
As an omnivour myself I am always puzzled by all the hatred toward vegan food. For me vegan food means more delicious choices for me.
Struck me more as weird that if consuming animals is do bad(not saying it isnt) why cling to the idea of it so much
These things can be delicious without pretending its a chicken wing
@@439801RS not at all. Just like explained in the video.
It’s definitely hatred towards vegans that they’re redirecting towards anything vegan related
It’s part of the internet culture war
“Those dumb idiot vegan LIBERALS. I’m gonna eat THREE steaks to spite them!!!!!!!”
@@439801RS Because people may like eating a chicken wing but don't want to have a chicken die for it. It's really not that complicated.
imo...we live in an era in which too many people enjoy being pissed off no matter what the subject is...imo
it's so nice to come across a meat eater with common sense
This phenomenon reminds me of that concept from Jean Baudrillard, Simulation and Simulacra. Like, as humans, we make copies and imitations of things. But there comes a point where we lose the origin. So we just have copies of copies, which are their own things instead.
And no, I haven’t read his actual work. And yes, I vaguely listened to a podcast about it months ago and wanted to sound smart in a RUclips comment.
If anyone wants to school me on this connection to Baudrillard, I earnestly would love to hear it.
Welp, that's today's rabbit hole. Thank you 😊!
Even without reading you have the gist of it right
Very cool, something to look into
The humility to admit you didn’t actually read it already makes you smart dude
Except for the decades long precedent of calling "fat-in-liquid" emulsions milk.
Centuries. Nearly a millennium. The people who are whining are illiterate and overbearing about it.
"If my grandmother had wheel, she would've been a bike"
You could always call it unhealthy chemicals with plants that tastes like shit