. I carried mine for 9 years working the midnight to 8am shift. A trigger job and rubber grips made it much better. Mine I set up to fire without the mag in place. That is a big reason for the hard trigger but not why I did it.. I shot thousands of reloaded ammo at the range. and don't ever remember a jam.Rapid fire included. 15 Black Talons and two extra 14 round mags. Lots of fire power. Still my favorite.
@469Shooter I conceal carry my Hi Power all the time. It is not heavy, at least to me. Two, despite being a full size handgun it's quite compact compared to a lot of other full size handguns.
the point is he tests all weapons in a consistent manner, to get relative scores on each one. most of them test out okay, so if you practice, you got it. I noticed the Walther PPK was not so highly rated and that is probably true. just my thoughts on it. I do enjoy the videos a lot.
All I've seen so far is proof that is it a good gun. I've seen it run over with trucks, buried, and submerged, and it still worked. I've even seen it thrown multiple times from a helicopter that was moving pretty fast. It still fired flawlessly. the rumor that they must be clean to work is a complete myth. I've seen them dirtier than they should ever be, and still work just fine. They are just reliable, accurate guns.
@Timbonezs I completely agree. He pulled a 1.8 second first shot with the colt 1911, and this was 2.3 sec. How does that make sense? Its quite obvious when you see him hesitate when picking the gun up.
@Letsmakeasamich I'm thinking it's for consistency ? Yes, the variable of having it in a CC holster or however you chose to carry it is another variable, and I do partway agree with your comment. The good part about the table, is that it's exactly the same movement for any handgun, considering the possibility that the gun would eventually "catch" on to some clothing, in that matter, both holster and table could be used to determine the best time.
@Letsmakeasamich agree and since its a single action only you would have to be cocking the hammer before taking those shots .. also it depends on the the shooter him self to get those targets right
@waterslager I thinks it better just to take it as a data point and use Mr. Potterfield's performance as a yard stick to compare against other firearms, and of course take the factors of size and weight into consider it for your self.
@AngeredKabar I always download the mags (Browning\Beretta-Glocks work best full capacity) 1 or 2 rounds anyway. +p+ is the way to go with the 9mm-unless you like throwing rocks at bad guys.
@Timbonezs FOr the different grain bullets; He may be using loads that work well with one gun that don't work well with another. My pistols are picky with which rounds they take if you don't use the right ammunition you have a world of difference in performance. But I agree with you but each gun has a score and each one is relative to the next. Maybe not for concealed carry.
No. Hi Powers are 9mm, .40 S&W and .357 SIG(the .357 SIG isn't a factory configuration, most convert .40 Hi Powers to .357 SIG by changing the barrel, since the overall length, headspace, etc. are virutally identical other than the bullet size, which is necked up to accept a .355 in. bullet.
@PowerForGood I'd tie the Hi Power with the CZ-75. One is based off the other and about equal size and equally accurate. The one advantage the CZ has is the double action/single action trigger. Other than that, a tie between them to me. I've shot and owned both though I use the Hi Power now.
And drawing from holstered, flicking the safety off in draw would have been better than picking it up off of the table, taking a second to look at it while disabling the safety, then aiming to fire one handed.
knockdown power, stopping power one and the same, just simply the ammount of damage and shock (hydrostatic) that you get from a round penetrating a target, so you may find that a .243 win puts a deer down faster than a .308, simply because it's travelling that much faster and will cause a bigger shock wave through that target(and energy transfer), it will cause more damage than the .308 similarly with fragmenting/hollowpoint and soft point/controlled expansion/bonded design bullets...
I was just thinking this as I watched the video. Also, the TTFH test could be better improved with the MKIII safety as it looked like Mr. Potterfield struggled to deactivate the safety in the video.
@AGeekWithAShotgun I was going to use some fairly coloful words to reply to this, but I looked at your channel, and i realized that fighting with a fellow gun lover would just be stupid of me. I gotta say I really like some of your videos. Back on topic: My only point was that large bullet diameters/bullet weights don't really do much for killing power, since good shooters would aim for vital organs anyway. That is of course my own personal philosophy. To each his own.
4) The M1 Garand was chambered in 7.62x62mm (30-06), the M14 was chambered in 7.62x51mm (similar to .308, but not exactly the same. You CAN shoot 7.62x51mm in a .308, but it is NOT safe to shoot .308 in a 7.62x51mm) 5) The M1 Garand has a lot more recoil than the AK-47.
While it is unlikely that the shooter is going to be knocked down from firing a 9mm, there's always the chance that the criminal the handgun is employed against isn't going to be ready to get hit, and will be knocked off balance. And getting hit with a round, the body will instinctively jerk, and the recipient may knock themselves over from their reaction to being hit. That being said, a practical handgun isn't going to knock someone out of their shoes. I agree with "Stopping Power".
browning is a bit slimmer than some 9mm, Commonwealth SF units regularly use them. as for cocking time, you can carry a hi power cocked and locked, so that first round comes out pretty fast.
@MrMeatBullet Actually, I think this is as scientific as it could be. The goal is to test the firearm, not your carry configuration, so the critical evaluation here is how easy it is to get the gun on target (pointability, comfort, sight contrast, etc..) Some people carry their handguns on their dominant side, in cross draw, behind their back, under the arms, in a fanny pack, around the ankle, in a pocket, etc.. We aren't testing effectiveness of these positions, so we eliminate them entirely.
@friedstuffable HA! Maybe nutnfancy could do a 'table top' review of it and a nice little run n' gun or a tactical clinic with the new table holster! Then he'll do like his 50th duracoat tutorial on it.
@GrizzlyGunsmith99 could you do that one-handed? Post a vid. :) I agree these vids are primarily for fun, though. Except the Remington 870 is indeed the best concealed handgun in the world. LOL
@evildude109 If you hit something important in a person, even with a .22LR, they'll die eventually. There's a difference between killing someone, stopping someone, and an actual knockdown. Anything that a person can shoot isn't going to physically push someone down, thanks to physics. However, it may very well kill them instantly. That explain it?
@evildude109 Well I'm just saying comparing rifle cartridges to pistol cartridges is pretty stupid considering they are made for different applications, being that .308, .338 and .446 are statistically more powerful than .45acp. Just saying, there is a lot more science behind knockdown power than just bullet diameter
Larry had to adjust his grip for the "first shot" thing, thereby significantly reducing the overall score. He should have re-started the test at that point - at least tried a few more times. If he bobbles the grip every time, it's the gun design - lower score deserved. If not, it's Larry's butterfingers cutting the score down.
What's wrong with having a gun on at all times? Only real way to guarantee one is ready if an uninvited guest makes a surprise entrance, as such guests tend to do.
Forget using the rather awkward thumb safety on this otherwise excellent sidearm. This gun is far quicker to get into action either from half cock (loaded chamber) or "condition three" (empty chamber). The old 1960's or 70's era Browning with FIXED SIGHTS is still a premier carry gun.
He fumbled the pistol on the TTFD test and should have been able to squeeze off 5 rounds in three seconds. I'll give him the 9mm is lower on knock down power, but he should just give it subjective ratings to begin with like comfort in hand, perceived recoil and quality of sights.
@Gman6755 Sorry, but I get sick thrills carrying my "cocked and locked" 1911! Just as safe if you have trained with the pistol and you know what you're doing!
1) The M4/AR-15 is reliable, and is not prone to jamming. That is a myth. If you pour dirt into the chamber, then of course it will jam. ANY gun would do the same, including the AK-47/AKM. There's a reason the US military is still using it. 2) Heavy recoil compared to what? Pistol ammo? 7.62x39mm does not have a lot of recoil. 3) 30-06 and .308/7.62x51mm are NOT interchangeable cartridges. To attempt to do so is extremely dangerous.
Maverick44 the AR family was unreliable at first until the A1 and A2 models, then they got all the bugs and issues worked out and the longest serving rifle series in U.S. history, general issue wise
STEVE P no clue. i think it's known to be fairly reliable, although not as reliable as the H&K USP 45 (which can cycle rounds even when limp wristed & can fire underwater without modification)
iloverebeccachambers They probably have P226's lying around from during the Browning Hi-Power days (when they were looking for alternatives), but the Ministry of Defence has made the standard issue become the Glock 17 Gen 4.
@MrMeatBullet nutnfancy could knock down an opponent with a 40 minute video where he drones on and on about shit everyone already knew about, like the controls on an AR or AK. He wouldn't need any of these guns, the attacker would just go to sleep, or shoot themselves.
@thehotsixer ye i know now but i remember when I was learning about the start of the war in school the programm that we watched sed that th guy who killed franz ferdinand used one.
Haha, you are proving my point. You don't really know what you are talking about. Having shot both of them, I do know what I'm saying. Think of it this way. The 30-06 fires a 150 grain bullet at about 2800 fps while the 7.62x39 fires a 124 grain bullet at about 2200 fps (in general). The ak fires a lighter and slower bullet than the garand. You tell me which one has more recoil, lol.
this is not a true rating system as there would be too many variables. there should be an average number of people all testing this with a variety of skill in handling small arms
2.3 sec to first hit? Seems slow. He is faster with other guns. On a good day, i used to be able to get a hit with my P229 in abt 1.5, from a SS-3 holster. That was at a silhoutte target at about 15 feet, with a good hit. It takes practice though. My BHP is a fine pistol with good ergonomics. With ammo it likes, it is almost astoundingly accurate.
The only acurate mesurement in this video is the knock down factor, the others shown depens on the person who is shooting. I could do better time and accuracy with that gun.
this whole series of videos is confusing as hell first don't guns with more grains usually equal more power ? and on that doesn't hp make the guns power almost redundant unless using a extremely low power gun especially at "short" ranges?!? not to mention the whole pick up from table crap is mind numbing. i am just confused because the weight of the weapon is 10x more important in conceal carry to the person and he is just rating everything on his idea of scoring.
yeah, these video's aren't that great. I'm not sure what their purpose is. They have a video where they say a S&W 686 as a great concealed carry gun. Way, way to big in my opinion. The Hi Power is certanly capable as a concealed gun, but there are better guns out there.
@thehotsixer The Browning that did start the first world war was the Browning 1910, .32 ACP.
I watched some of these, and when he picks the gun up from the table, he does it very clumsy on some and very well on others.
Simply one of the finest pistols ever made, but its high cost make it just out of my reach
. I carried mine for 9 years working the midnight to 8am shift. A trigger job and rubber grips made it much better. Mine I set up to fire without the mag in place. That is a big reason for the hard trigger but not why I did it.. I shot thousands of reloaded ammo at the range. and don't ever remember a jam.Rapid fire included. 15 Black Talons and two extra 14 round mags. Lots of fire power. Still my favorite.
Unlike so many other videos he got right to the point without over-explaining everything.
@469Shooter I conceal carry my Hi Power all the time. It is not heavy, at least to me. Two, despite being a full size handgun it's quite compact compared to a lot of other full size handguns.
I personally love these videos, and think Larry Potterfield is great. But that time to first hit on this video was hilarious.
the point is he tests all weapons in a consistent manner, to get relative scores on each one. most of them test out okay, so if you practice, you got it. I noticed the Walther PPK was not so highly rated and that is probably true. just my thoughts on it. I do enjoy the videos a lot.
All I've seen so far is proof that is it a good gun. I've seen it run over with trucks, buried, and submerged, and it still worked. I've even seen it thrown multiple times from a helicopter that was moving pretty fast. It still fired flawlessly.
the rumor that they must be clean to work is a complete myth. I've seen them dirtier than they should ever be, and still work just fine.
They are just reliable, accurate guns.
@Timbonezs I completely agree. He pulled a 1.8 second first shot with the colt 1911, and this was 2.3 sec. How does that make sense? Its quite obvious when you see him hesitate when picking the gun up.
@Timbonezs Yeah but the thing is all the tests are conducted this way so its a baseline for all the guns shown.
7.62x62mm (30-06) (M1 Garand)
7.62x54mmR (Mosin Nagant)
7.62x51mm (.308) (M14)
7.62x39mm (AK-47/AKM)
@Letsmakeasamich
I'm thinking it's for consistency ?
Yes, the variable of having it in a CC holster or however you chose to carry it is another variable, and I do partway agree with your comment.
The good part about the table, is that it's exactly the same movement for any handgun, considering the possibility that the gun would eventually "catch" on to some clothing, in that matter, both holster and table could be used to determine the best time.
There are nines that hold more rounds these days, but the Hi-Power is still a reliable, formidable pistol that has many good points going for it.
Not many, 15+1 is way more than you need
I'm curious how the CZ 82 would rank.
@Letsmakeasamich agree and since its a single action only you would have to be cocking the hammer before taking those shots .. also it depends on the the shooter him self to get those targets right
@waterslager I thinks it better just to take it as a data point and use Mr. Potterfield's performance as a yard stick to compare against other firearms, and of course take the factors of size and weight into consider it for your self.
@VinnyS914 Explain "1 shot, 1 kill" with a .308/.338/.446 (all smaller than a .45)
@evildude109 .308? If you're talking rifle calibers don't rifles deliver at least 3 times as much power as handguns?
@Fire23eater why is that a problem?
@AngeredKabar I always download the mags (Browning\Beretta-Glocks work best full capacity) 1 or 2 rounds anyway. +p+ is the way to go with the 9mm-unless you like throwing rocks at bad guys.
@Timbonezs FOr the different grain bullets; He may be using loads that work well with one gun that don't work well with another. My pistols are picky with which rounds they take if you don't use the right ammunition you have a world of difference in performance. But I agree with you but each gun has a score and each one is relative to the next.
Maybe not for concealed carry.
No. Hi Powers are 9mm, .40 S&W and .357 SIG(the .357 SIG isn't a factory configuration, most convert .40 Hi Powers to .357 SIG by changing the barrel, since the overall length, headspace, etc. are virutally identical other than the bullet size, which is necked up to accept a .355 in. bullet.
You may be thinking of the M1911, also designed by John Browning.
@PowerForGood I'd tie the Hi Power with the CZ-75. One is based off the other and about equal size and equally accurate. The one advantage the CZ has is the double action/single action trigger. Other than that, a tie between them to me. I've shot and owned both though I use the Hi Power now.
And drawing from holstered, flicking the safety off in draw would have been better than picking it up off of the table, taking a second to look at it while disabling the safety, then aiming to fire one handed.
knockdown power, stopping power one and the same, just simply the ammount of damage and shock (hydrostatic) that you get from a round penetrating a target, so you may find that a .243 win puts a deer down faster than a .308, simply because it's travelling that much faster and will cause a bigger shock wave through that target(and energy transfer), it will cause more damage than the .308 similarly with fragmenting/hollowpoint and soft point/controlled expansion/bonded design bullets...
Always been a good gun.
I was just thinking this as I watched the video. Also, the TTFH test could be better improved with the MKIII safety as it looked like Mr. Potterfield struggled to deactivate the safety in the video.
@AGeekWithAShotgun I was going to use some fairly coloful words to reply to this, but I looked at your channel, and i realized that fighting with a fellow gun lover would just be stupid of me. I gotta say I really like some of your videos. Back on topic: My only point was that large bullet diameters/bullet weights don't really do much for killing power, since good shooters would aim for vital organs anyway. That is of course my own personal philosophy. To each his own.
4) The M1 Garand was chambered in 7.62x62mm (30-06), the M14 was chambered in 7.62x51mm (similar to .308, but not exactly the same. You CAN shoot 7.62x51mm in a .308, but it is NOT safe to shoot .308 in a 7.62x51mm)
5) The M1 Garand has a lot more recoil than the AK-47.
While it is unlikely that the shooter is going to be knocked down from firing a 9mm, there's always the chance that the criminal the handgun is employed against isn't going to be ready to get hit, and will be knocked off balance. And getting hit with a round, the body will instinctively jerk, and the recipient may knock themselves over from their reaction to being hit.
That being said, a practical handgun isn't going to knock someone out of their shoes. I agree with "Stopping Power".
@Fiddleplayer7 Live with it.
browning is a bit slimmer than some 9mm, Commonwealth SF units regularly use them.
as for cocking time, you can carry a hi power cocked and locked, so that first round comes out pretty fast.
@faffaflunkie For those of us who use the 15 and 17rd Mec-Gar mags for the Browning, 15+1 and 17+1 of +p or +p+ is better still
@MrMeatBullet Actually, I think this is as scientific as it could be. The goal is to test the firearm, not your carry configuration, so the critical evaluation here is how easy it is to get the gun on target (pointability, comfort, sight contrast, etc..) Some people carry their handguns on their dominant side, in cross draw, behind their back, under the arms, in a fanny pack, around the ankle, in a pocket, etc.. We aren't testing effectiveness of these positions, so we eliminate them entirely.
@friedstuffable HA! Maybe nutnfancy could do a 'table top' review of it and a nice little run n' gun or a tactical clinic with the new table holster! Then he'll do like his 50th duracoat tutorial on it.
i want that .38 super +p
its not the sight people, its the safety
@GrizzlyGunsmith99 could you do that one-handed? Post a vid. :)
I agree these vids are primarily for fun, though. Except the Remington 870 is indeed the best concealed handgun in the world. LOL
@Fire23eater What? Why should civilians not be allowed to own the same handgun that military uses?
@evildude109 If you hit something important in a person, even with a .22LR, they'll die eventually. There's a difference between killing someone, stopping someone, and an actual knockdown. Anything that a person can shoot isn't going to physically push someone down, thanks to physics. However, it may very well kill them instantly. That explain it?
@joshusdogmu i finally understand now.
Far Better grouping larry,best of all the pistols you fired on this!
@Letsmakeasamich it means it was hidden from the grass...
I'm assuming you haven't fired either one. A 30-06 (7.62x63, garand) has much more energy than a 7.62x39 (ak 47)
@evildude109
Well I'm just saying comparing rifle cartridges to pistol cartridges is pretty stupid considering they are made for different applications, being that .308, .338 and .446 are statistically more powerful than .45acp.
Just saying, there is a lot more science behind knockdown power than just bullet diameter
@faffaflunkie Unless you have 17+1 of +p+...
@Letsmakeasamich Doubling or tripling your time would be a bad thing.
Larry had to adjust his grip for the "first shot" thing, thereby significantly reducing the overall score. He should have re-started the test at that point - at least tried a few more times. If he bobbles the grip every time, it's the gun design - lower score deserved. If not, it's Larry's butterfingers cutting the score down.
I like Larry too but I think the sites are spread apart too much for him to get that first shot off.
@Makingnewnamesisdumb Yes it would, but it would be more realistic if they performed the test that way.
What about a M134D
What's wrong with having a gun on at all times? Only real way to guarantee one is ready if an uninvited guest makes a surprise entrance, as such guests tend to do.
Forget using the rather awkward thumb safety on this otherwise excellent sidearm. This gun is far quicker to get into action either from half cock (loaded chamber) or "condition three" (empty chamber). The old 1960's or 70's era Browning with FIXED SIGHTS is still a premier carry gun.
I have a 9mm practical and the trigger pull is a little stiff. What can i do about it?
Imagine he wanted to draw this as fast as the kahr or sr9
@Timbonezs Look a how he picked the gun up, he fucked it up
He fumbled the pistol on the TTFD test and should have been able to squeeze off 5 rounds in three seconds. I'll give him the 9mm is lower on knock down power, but he should just give it subjective ratings to begin with like comfort in hand, perceived recoil and quality of sights.
@friedstuffable Do they come in OD or desert sand colors? I like the military look...oh maybe digicam?! Gangsta.
@Timbonezs Really? Because he said "That's the way it is". Larry Potterfield wouldn't lie to me would he?! Oh no! Why Larry, why?!
@Gman6755 Sorry, but I get sick thrills carrying my "cocked and locked" 1911! Just as safe if you have trained with the pistol and you know what you're doing!
@GrizzlyGunsmith99 Cool! I await your video of you mag dumping your Hi Power into a paper plate at 20 feet with one hand in 3 seconds. 8-)
1) The M4/AR-15 is reliable, and is not prone to jamming. That is a myth. If you pour dirt into the chamber, then of course it will jam. ANY gun would do the same, including the AK-47/AKM. There's a reason the US military is still using it.
2) Heavy recoil compared to what? Pistol ammo? 7.62x39mm does not have a lot of recoil.
3) 30-06 and .308/7.62x51mm are NOT interchangeable cartridges. To attempt to do so is extremely dangerous.
Maverick44 the AR family was unreliable at first until the A1 and A2 models, then they got all the bugs and issues worked out and the longest serving rifle series in U.S. history, general issue wise
didn't the British SAS use that?
British general military has been using it as the standard issue sidearm for decades. They just recently switched over to the Glock 17 Gen 4, though.
how reliable is Glock 21?
STEVE P no clue. i think it's known to be fairly reliable, although not as reliable as the H&K USP 45 (which can cycle rounds even when limp wristed & can fire underwater without modification)
+Mixtapes from Titan I thought the British Military uses Sig's?
iloverebeccachambers They probably have P226's lying around from during the Browning Hi-Power days (when they were looking for alternatives), but the Ministry of Defence has made the standard issue become the Glock 17 Gen 4.
I agree with yall but if guns are involved im gonna watch it lol
No disrespect to Mr. Potterfield but that mag should've been empty in 3 seconds and all shots hit at that distance
Larry's either cross-eyed or looking at cue cards next to the camera. He never seems to look right into the camera.
@MrMeatBullet nutnfancy could knock down an opponent with a 40 minute video where he drones on and on about shit everyone already knew about, like the controls on an AR or AK. He wouldn't need any of these guns, the attacker would just go to sleep, or shoot themselves.
@thehotsixer ye i know now but i remember when I was learning about the start of the war in school the programm that we watched sed that th guy who killed franz ferdinand used one.
Not possible. The FN Browning Hi-power did not come out until 1935, so it would be impossible for it to have been used in 1914.
Haha, you are proving my point. You don't really know what you are talking about. Having shot both of them, I do know what I'm saying. Think of it this way. The 30-06 fires a 150 grain bullet at about 2800 fps while the 7.62x39 fires a 124 grain bullet at about 2200 fps (in general). The ak fires a lighter and slower bullet than the garand. You tell me which one has more recoil, lol.
this is not a true rating system as there would be too many variables. there should be an average number of people all testing this with a variety of skill in handling small arms
Not a fan of 9mm but I don't even think a 45 will knock down with one round.
You can't beat 13+1 of +p+ ammo.
2.3 sec to first hit? Seems slow. He is faster with other guns. On a good day, i used to be able to get a hit with my P229 in abt 1.5, from a SS-3 holster. That was at a silhoutte target at about 15 feet, with a good hit. It takes practice though. My BHP is a fine pistol with good ergonomics. With ammo it likes, it is almost astoundingly accurate.
is this guy a robot
@Letsmakeasamich you could have been eating dinner...
The only acurate mesurement in this video is the knock down factor, the others shown depens on the person who is shooting.
I could do better time and accuracy with that gun.
@Letsmakeasamich the hi power is not suitable for a concealed carry weapon in the first place
reblo111 it can be. It is very compact for a full size handgun
OK carry gun but must be carried cocked and locked to be really effective.
@s14sr He's also faking a smile, and it looks painful.
Why does he always look off the the right in these videos?? lol
probably because there's a cue card on the left of the cameraman :)
on of the best hand guns in the world.. but this review suxx big time
You lost any credibility you may have had with that knockdown power bullshit.
No shit. Imagine if this guy's eyesight was 20/20. Think the numbers on ALL these guns would change?
I normally love his videos, but I've never seen such a blatant case of sabotage.
i want one in 40 cal
this whole series of videos is confusing as hell first don't guns with more grains usually equal more power ? and on that doesn't hp make the guns power almost redundant unless using a extremely low power gun especially at "short" ranges?!? not to mention the whole pick up from table crap is mind numbing. i am just confused because the weight of the weapon is 10x more important in conceal carry to the person and he is just rating everything on his idea of scoring.
Keyboard warriors
there is no knock down power at all.
I might not knock you down.... immediately...
but I'll convert you to a colander chop-chop....
What the fuck.
yeah, these video's aren't that great. I'm not sure what their purpose is. They have a video where they say a S&W 686 as a great concealed carry gun. Way, way to big in my opinion. The Hi Power is certanly capable as a concealed gun, but there are better guns out there.
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1911 is best
These reviews are horrible. Im pretty sure his hand slipped when he tried to pick up the gun at first.
this isn't even close to reasonably true.....
I can do a lot better score with my BHP.
This guy is a horrible reviewer...you see him fumble the gun when he picks it up, killing it's score.....hmm
Come Larry you can do better than that.
it started the first world war