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It’s $4699 CAD and then 13% tax and then AppleCare+ and the 13% tax of the AppleCare+ so around or close to $6000 They are letting me do 18 payments so it’s only $333.33 a month payment plan With no interest on my TD emerald card It says starting in the USA in the beginning of 2024 and then Canada later in the year of 2024 so probably 6-12 months and I’ll have it so I know I can pay down my main card that I’m going to use for this before then I’m positive I can do this
As to gaming with the Apple Vision Pro, I asked the developers of Virtual Desktop for the Meta Quest if they’d have any interest in developing an equivalent Apple app so “we” could play our Steam VR content the Vision Pro. They said they will definitely look into it. Yes, that would require you to also own Vive trackers and controllers, but in principle that would work.
Speaking as a 35 year old father of 5 I can’t buy 7 headsets for my family and that’s the problem. That said my only Vr experience is via iPhone and Google chrome like googles goggles then I got a PSVR 2 and the eye tracking was the most impressive thing plus my first controller experience. I was underwhelmed by the screen door effect and over all graphics. If Apple fixed the image quality awesome! But I need compromises to lower that price, actually I’d prefer a 100% AR experience even if the image is a bit transparent I see a huge future in DIY apps ex. I need to build an interior wall in my basement to convert it into 2 Rooms having AR take measurements and walk me through the steps is a society changing experience.
Something I thought of while watching this video is that when you were talking about everybody staring at their screens, you did what we all do and that’s lean our heads down because we’re looking down at the screens. That is a posture problem that more and more people are encountering that’s causing health problems. With the VisionPro, one of the benefits is likely to be that we have better posture, because I think people will be looking up more, or at least straightahead, and having fewer problems with posture, because we will be in a better body position with our head alignment to our neck and spine.
This is the first time I'm really wanting a headset. I thought all other headsets were trash. Apple made me believe in Ar/Vr. I now know the purpose of such a device. People pay more for sneaker and handbags, why not pay for window into a world that was impossible years ago.
@@tringuyen7519 That's morbid Lol.. To me it's a gimmick, a product that isn't necessary. Apple ,sitting on billions yet they let other companies do the major R and D and they then tweak the product. They could really push innovation with the money they're sitting on. And just as I predicted with 3D nft's and also the metaverse, this is one bird that won't fly. As a matter of fact it's not a turkey but a Dodo bird.
Renee, the synergy that you both bring to a conversation about technology is remarkable! Please consider this format going forward as I have enjoyed this video immensely!
I would really like to see you presenting together on topics that deal with the user experience of technology and usability in the future. Clearly Georgia brings a different and deep expertise (psychology? human factors analysis? GUI design?) that delivers a unique fullness to the video content. Even seeing just this one video, that fullness is a terrific differentiator from all other content creators. And incredibly, the two of you are able to work together at such a high speed, trading back and forth of the conversation. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any two people talking, building upon what the other is saying in such a natural, productive, and friendly way in real life…ever. And seemingly without editing! You guys clearly have a fantastic relationship! It’s also very clear that you really like each other:-). Such a cute couple♥️
@@ReneRitchie it would be great to hear the medical and teaching medical aspects of the new Apple Vision Pro, the AVP could include automotive and aircraft designs as a introduction to students that are in elementary and junior high school. Help them pick their studies for their career and help others narrow down which job they want to do. If Microsoft and Apple did a collaboration for gaming. That would be very interesting at least.
virtual shareplay would be next step so you can watch movies with friends in a virtual theater and you could look at them talk and react with them, even if they are in different countries. this new technology is really exciting tbh
I hear so many tech folks freaking out over the "eyes" and going into great detail. I feel that people will quickly adjust (one or two interactions) to understand that: they can see me vs. they can't see me. No one is going to have full blown meaningful, interactions with the headset on. If they do, they have bigger issues. In my opinion, it does its job of letting the outside people know, if you are available for engagement or not.
Where have you been hiding Georgia…have I been under a rock. Y’all are a natural and need to continue together. Sending protective and healing vibes to the both of you and all the watchers .
9:30 I've heard so many people complain about Vision Pro's 2 hrs battery life and I wonder if that was intentional from Apple. As the tech improves, the battery life will improve and by then, people will probably want to spend more time. For now, for right now, 2 hrs stents seems appropriate.
So funny to hear people complain that they can’t wear a headset for more than 30 minutes and in the next breath complain about 2 Hr battery 🙄 The battery pack can charge while you’re using it.
Im already looking into the future of solely the digital 3D content... I truly believe 2024 will have alot of 3D content emerging, ill produce all my content, shorts, podcasts, etc in 3D as well. It will be really cool!
Is society ready for 3D video where all memories can be relived in real time? Your child’s first steps? Your wedding? Your dead grandparents? Are we ready for this?
Thank you both for a very illuminating discussion of the tech and social issues of headsets. A note: no matter how the technology drvelops, I would never consider or accept an implant, but I could imagine how many other people would see this as the natural evolution of technology.
AR glasses are definitely the future of everyday computing. Not sure if they will replace the smartphone anytime soon but they will certainly work alongside it. The applications for augmented reality are endless, exponentially so when you start combining them with generative AI. As for the isolation factor, I think that's something we need to work on, but that's a societal problem and not a technology problem. In fact there are many ways AR could help us connect with people instead of disconnect. I am still surprised Apple got into this game but that only proves this technology has a real future.
“Your focus determines your reality”- Qui Gon :) glad Georgia and Rene touched on the isolation vs social dynamic at 7:00. It’s headphones for your eyes, I am sort of looking at how they communicated the Vision Pro which I typically don’t associate with VR or AR but why not. But newspapers, TV, mobile phones all-to name a few-have thew potential to shape our experience.
There still is a mystery around the little word "from" in from 3499 for me. When it comes to Apple products my PTSD awakes because i usually always end up on the far relative of the from price. Mac Studio from 1999.- - yeah, well, i ended up at 6500.- but only because i chose the small SSD. What'll it be for the Vision? A 2k version with a non replaceable battery in the HMD, M1 and 4Gb RAM as the base model for 3499.- maybe? And only the top model for 6000.- is able to be used tethered for working at your desk.
I think one of the biggest things that people don’t realize about this headset, is, you can have a startup that allows you to pick any seat in a football stadium, and watch the Super Bowl. You could side courtside at a basketball game, and sit next to Jack Nicholson. You can have companies produce virtual instructions. You can record the last day that your animal lived in 3D and replay that every single day, if you want. And there are a million other things I haven’t even mentioned.
I’m in VR at least every other day watching movies, hangout out with friends I met playing golf/bowling/FPS games, but mostly karaoke. I practically never search the internet on my Quest. If immersive gaming/social gatherings isn’t a focus pillar for this headset, I dare say the Vision Pro will fail. I rather do computing on a laptop and iPad in bed than uncomfortably in a headset with 2hr battery.
With those avatars, I don’t think there will be issues with the eyes. Using the interface tells you how slot on the eye tracking is. I’m not sure why people are so bothered by it. I’d much rather see that than an emoji.
I use a Quest 2 w/Steam VR to play VR games while exercising on an omnidirectional treadmill. I use the Apple Watch while exercising on the omnidirectional treadmill because all other fitness sensors I tried wouldn't record in realtime the start-and-stop running of an omnidirectional treadmill workout (they'd go to "sleep mode" during dialog sections in the videogame, for example, and would take a minute or two to wake up, by which time you might be finished running to the next area in the videogame). You'd think with Apple's focus on fitness, they'd make a VR headset which is compatible with fitness gaming. But I can't imagine working out and sweating into a $3500 headset. The external battery would be OK if using an omnidirectional treadmill (you could just attach it to the back of the omnidirectional treadmill), but I'd imagine the external battery would be annoying if exercising out in the real world, like jogging on jogging trail or something
They did make past half life and portal games available on mac, I really wish they would do it even if just to push other game companies and steam on visionOs
@@jeanbutinfrench Yea, never say never but as of now the Vision Pro doesn’t support 6DoF controllers. Not sure how it will happen with out that. A lot of redesign would be required.
I saw many people a bit out of sorts for the part of the Vision Pro demonstration where the father was recording the birthday and people were a bit puzzled about that as to why a father would have a headset on recording the birthday party. I feel like that's the same thing of any father with a HandiCam at a children's birthday party.
Remember the Lebron moment where everyone in the arena was watching it with a phone in their hand? It’s not much different. My guess is the next iPhone pro will have 3D photo/video compatible with the Vision OS
I think this device as is priced is meant for developers and early adopters so that they can iron out the remaining issues. I think there will be an affordable non pro version, just called Vision. I think this is the product you want when you want immersion. It is not a product you want to use all the time or for long periods. I think the battery pack should be 3hrs. However maybe the 2hrs limitation of the battery pack is intentional due to health and safety concerns of the eye sight. The one application Apple now has to figure out is gaming on VR.
@@TheDawnofVanlife Apple gives you that option but the way they envision people want to use it is untethered to anything fixed. That is why they made the battery pack extremely portable by making it pocket-able.
Totally agree. First series is for people wanting to explore what the future has to hold and what they will do with it. Early adopters as myself will help mold this device and I am excited to buy it.
Agree. It should be common in the future but the first step need to be taken or else we are not going anywhere. I can imagine this being utilised in many fields from construction to education.
@@k.vn.k the biggest use of computing whether on the cloud, desktop or smartphones is not productivity but entertainment. Other than affordability any VR/AR solution also needs to be useful for someone to want to use it over any of the other existing solutions. The tag pro indicates to me this is meant for real pros (developers and content creators) who will develop a catalogue of 3D video content, games and applications before the more affordable version comes out. If all VR/AR does is offer 2D video content, games and applications in a 3D environment, that is not compelling enough, it has to offer a holistic 3D immersive experience.
The price makes sense when you look at it like the initial Tesla production model. Ultra high end fit, finish and performance at a steep price meant for select customers.
this is already cheaper than a half decent multi monitor setup by itself. like just simply 3 emulated huge screens would be enough value for me personally.
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I loved this conversation. I want to figure it out. Buying one to make videos.
That’s also why it’s not available in the UK. We’re almost always on the same timeline of Apple releases as you guys in the USA but this…they didn’t even mention a future date for any release in any other country
Your brainstorming trying to figure out if you like this is interesting. I still feel like most reviewers can’t see the broad benefits including Marques. It goes to show you how Apple’s device has really overwhelmed people with their incredible preliminary implementation. Every company is changing their design to copy Apple’s. Hopefully a year of refinements and more information will produce a well rounded product.
I don't see what they showed as an "incredible preliminary implementation." Apple's presentation to me showed they actually didn't learn from their competition and missed the mark in a variety of ways from design, to cost, their presentation, and lack of supported apps. It looks half-baked, yet stupidly over-engineered in the wrong areas. Their tracking for instance. The sensors will miss movements beyond 90 degrees due to their placement for inside out tracking. The front eyes oled panel that's definitely adding at least $500 to the price for very limited gains to the user, but also now adds breakable glass to the outside of the device. The heavy metal construction that'll contribute to it being too heavy to comfortably wear for very long periods while simultaneously causing it to wear out faster. There's limited app support because they didn't move to make it work with the established industry. There's some decent parts of it, but a ton of really inexcusable flaws for the company who's supposed to come in with the well developed product that's learned from the first movers' mistakes.
Rene, after you joined RUclips I thought your videos kinda lost something. I tuned you out. Still subscribed but not watching often. I’ll be back checking you out again. Why? Because the addition of your companion in this video made it so much more dynamic, and at the same time it broke up your breathless firehose style of presentation, making it less exhausting to watch. If she is willing, you should have her participate more often. Regarding the content, GREAT! The thoughts about the long range future history of this technology were especially interesting. Thanks for another deep grok of Apple.
Apple, as usual, have proved how to move it forward. Like it or hate it... a truly complete version 1.... But in the end, it was going to happen... Apple or not..
Eh. The Vision Pro is undeniably cool tech and they had a really solid reveal presentation for it - but I don't think it's going to do very much to spur further adoption of this tech. VR is a niche product right now and AR is a niche within that niche. This product, being as expensive as it is, is destined to be a niche within a niche within a niche - and given they've basically completely ignored VR gaming it's likely to have even more limited appeal. It's going to sell out for sure - but the buzz will die down quickly and almost nobody will talk about this thing until a new model is revealed in a few years and everyone collectively remembers they still have the first one collecting dust in their closet.
9:30 - Interesting: I hadn’t noticed this before: the dad taking 3D photos of his daughters has a strap going over the top of his head! I guess that’s an optional strap?
Human-machine augments are where this is headed.I love what Alastair Reynolds did with this in Blue Earth Remembered, and this seems like an early version of the tech that could ultimately end up being commonplace in the future.
reminds me of camcorders in the 70s and 80s through to today where nobody lugs one of those things around but everyone has a capable camcorder equivalent with their phone video camera
I’ve heard, from previous generations of headsets, reports of nausea from using the headset. Is that problem solved or partially solved by this device?
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Apple should buy XReal and the Mudra Band and make an absolute KILLING introducing its base to AR. The headset (a 130 inch micro-oled screen the size of sun glasses) could be a compliment to the iPhone the way that people can't leave their house without their AirPods and the Mudra Band is essentially an Apple Watch Band that allows for moreless the same hand gestures that the AVP does. Just make it a part of Apple's "Vision" line and have the AVP as part of its Pro lineup. Use case: Waiting at the Doctors office, car repair etc, just reach in your pocket, grab your Apple Visions plug them (or airplay) them to your iPhone, put on your AirPod Pros and immerse yourself in your favorite shows at 130inchs+ while everyone else is watching Jeopardy. The technology for this scenario already exists. It would be absolutely awesome if there were Apple Branded products that could do this. The AVP is great so is it's potential OS, but the price alienates the same people who put billions of dollars into Apples pockets in the first place.
As a niche product for gamers or specific industries for design or simulators, sure AR/VR goggles or glasses will serve a purpose and be useful. As a general consumer product, that so many are predicting will revolutionize tech, I just can't see it happening unless the pricing gets to commodity levels, which is a long way away, if ever!
My main concern is for the Zeiss correction, for us wearing specifically tailored prescription glasses. I'd hate to drop $3.5K, only to realize I'm somewhat in the vicinity of my previous glasses, clarity wise.
Apple finally reinvents the live TV with Vision Pro which can bring life size artists or new anchors into people living room. But as a computing device, I would like to see expansion ports on it for backup or external monitor when I'm not put it on my face.
I keep thinking about the CarPlay features the Vision Pro has to offer. The Vision Pro maybe the reason Apple is not threatened by GM removing CarPlay from its products.
Rene, thanks for having Georgia on to comment on this. Apple has created a technologically advanced headset that is beyond what anyone has produced before, but the question really is - what is the human reaction to this. This headset like all of the others is isolating and so Apple spends 90% of the tech on making it less isolating and the other 10% on what the headset is meant to do - bring you information and experiences in a new, compelling way. At 15:49 this is what Apple wanted; the Apple Vision Pro is what we got. Apple will hopefully make this a useful product that will have niche success. Apple Vision Pro is THE killer app for the flight from LA to Honolulu, but everyone else is waiting for confirmation on the rest of it.
Before this video, I watched another YT commentator seeing the goggles as a philosophical flop because it’s isolating, that it doesn’t keep the human connection from being broken. He felt that the special Apple sauce didn’t fix this social isolation problem. I see this version as more for developers and enterprise, like the huge Surface whiteboards that Microsoft offers to big businesses.
has Georgia also had plenty of time trying out the Pro Vision. wasn’t clear from the parts i watched, i kind skipped through the video bc i’m not super interested in this product but was interested in her takes.
It’s already a powerful standalone computer at this version 0. No need for a Mac or iPhone. Wait for size and weight reduction and we have Commander La Forge‘s visor. That’s the moment when we will replace our phones and watches with this! But now it will be my next working machine, and as soon as facetime takes care of a virtual room/table, we will sit there sharing documents with clicking Share Screen.
Great perspective! Is it isolating? Yes, but less so than its predecessors. Is it the next big direction in computers? Yes. Will it transform entertainment? Yes. Will it transform how we work? Maybe. Would I buy one? Big maybe.
Give us 2.5k resolution in each eye, 120hz, m1 chip, r1 chip and all the same tracking cameras and the same spatial audio (with audio ray tracing) like Vision pro for like 999usd. Also make it a bit slimmer if possible. Then this cheaper version will always be 1-3 years behind the more expensive one.
Apple is usually strategic when introducing new products. My best assumption is that it will gain more development in the market and start a trend in that direction, similar to what they did with the iPhone. Since the big advances with their M chips, it seems like VR/AR will have the power needed without being too bulky. The higher-end Oculus sets require a gaming PC with at least an Intel i5-4590 and an Nvidia GTX 1050Ti . I remember trying out the Hololens in 2015 and it was not a great experience. It seemed slow and buggy. It seems like when Microsoft entered the smartphone market when Palm Pilots were the current top business device. The Windows phone was marred by buggy software and less fluid experience.
In my opinion Apple created Vision Pro as productivity tool as #1 priority. As a productivity tool, $3500 is not overly expensive for a company to purchase. People often forget that computers started first as a productivity tool used in offices before it evolved into the Laptop/iPAD/iPhone. In the same way, Vision Pro would most likely be adopted in offices first before it is used for home/game use case.
Well they did present it as a new form of “spatial computing”, but they did not present it as an Enterprise device. Yes - they proposed use cases for FaceTiming with coworkers while on a business trip, for mirroring the display of a MacBook, and receiving 3D models via chat/email… *But*, they also presented consumer-focused experiences like watching movies, taking 3D family pictures, looking at giant photos, and just generally everything you’d currently use your iPhone/iPad for. An Enterprise-intended device would be presented in an entirely different, formal manner with 90% of the casual/consumer features stripped from it to ensure employee productivity.
I can’t help but thinking on how this will affect one’s vision? So, when using the goggle and zooming out of a window, our pupils will get narrower? Or it’s only a clever trick and we are looking at a flat screen all the time without using our pupils?
When using VR, your eyes focus the same way they do in real life. The screen may be 2 centimeters from your eyes but if the virtual scene is a floating screen 3 meters away, your eyes focus as if you’re simply looking at something 3 meters away.
This is only the first iteration. There is already talk of a cheaper, smaller version by 2025. And the real game changer is going to be when this technology comes to Apple Glasses. I believe that is the ultimate goal for Apple.
The google glass is the way forward , combined with some sort of drone (very small drone) will achieve the objectives. The drone is to be able to display self.
@@k.vn.k everything starts from a concept, the concept here was wrong and they have invested so much to have a product that is failing. All the other competitors are failing and Apple will fail. You want to be immersed and want to project yourself virtually somewhere else every thing about what I said says you are in a container projecting a reality to you and a container picking up your image and sending somewhere else. The headset puts you in a container but it is too close to pick up Your image and send elsewhere.
This is a high-end product for people with enough money to throw away into a beta project not yet fully actualized with hardware and software. To deter casual consumers who aren’t so tech savvy from getting it and being disappointed in this early-gen product, Apple gave it a high price. You might ask why they’re even releasing it, it’s because Apple still needs to attract developers to the space in order to have apps and find use cases and make improvements to the software stack before they get people who would just never buy it again if the experience was poor. They want to keep sentiment about AR/MR high within the consumer’s mind
I really look at this version as a means to an end . . . they're going to make the software while the hardware catches up . . . when it's not much different than wearing a pair of current eye glasses, it'll be complete. This is sort of like getting to see the aqua interface of early Mac OS X but on an Apple II box in some way.
People didn't think they wanted or needed a 1000.00 phone either, but now everyone has one. I hate the idea of it but it most likely will be everywhere, they will subsidize it through phone plans or make it a lease or payments over a few years.
Cellphones were already being used a TON well before the iphone and without the iphone, it was still clear mobile phones were becoming the standard and even business phones like blackberry did things like scroll the internet and write emails. We would still have been moving toward mobile pocket phones if iphone had never existed. Would they all be the same (boring) slate style if not for iphone, who knows. But Mobile phones were a well established rising market that Apple simply entered. VR headsets have always been niche, it’s not something we already use in common use.
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It’s $4699 CAD and then 13% tax and then AppleCare+ and the 13% tax of the AppleCare+ so around or close to $6000
They are letting me do 18 payments so it’s only $333.33 a month payment plan With no interest on my TD emerald card
It says starting in the USA in the beginning of 2024 and then Canada later in the year of 2024
so probably 6-12 months and I’ll have it so I know I can pay down my main card that I’m going to use for this before then I’m positive I can do this
Absolutely picking one up!
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Recording 3D video is a paradigm shift. Imagine showing your kids memories of your grandparents who have been lost years ago. Are we ready for this?
I love how you did this one, with the two of you talking rather than the older monologue format (which, to be clear, I also loved).
As to gaming with the Apple Vision Pro, I asked the developers of Virtual Desktop for the Meta Quest if they’d have any interest in developing an equivalent Apple app so “we” could play our Steam VR content the Vision Pro. They said they will definitely look into it. Yes, that would require you to also own Vive trackers and controllers, but in principle that would work.
I like you both together..very engaging and entertaining! Great dialog about the Apple Vision Pro 💯
Thanks, it's a ton of fun for me as well!
Speaking as a 35 year old father of 5 I can’t buy 7 headsets for my family and that’s the problem. That said my only Vr experience is via iPhone and Google chrome like googles goggles then I got a PSVR 2 and the eye tracking was the most impressive thing plus my first controller experience. I was underwhelmed by the screen door effect and over all graphics. If Apple fixed the image quality awesome! But I need compromises to lower that price, actually I’d prefer a 100% AR experience even if the image is a bit transparent I see a huge future in DIY apps ex. I need to build an interior wall in my basement to convert it into 2
Rooms having AR take measurements and walk me through the steps is a society changing experience.
@@BMar1andonlyTake a look at xReal smart glasses. They are on the right path of virtual screens only devices.
@@BMar1andonly don’t buy your kids headsets no matter the price.
@@ΒύρωναςΛαδιάς oh one day glasses will replace all of our displays. I don’t think my kids have a choice lol
Something I thought of while watching this video is that when you were talking about everybody staring at their screens, you did what we all do and that’s lean our heads down because we’re looking down at the screens. That is a posture problem that more and more people are encountering that’s causing health problems. With the VisionPro, one of the benefits is likely to be that we have better posture, because I think people will be looking up more, or at least straightahead, and having fewer problems with posture, because we will be in a better body position with our head alignment to our neck and spine.
This is the first time I'm really wanting a headset. I thought all other headsets were trash. Apple made me believe in Ar/Vr. I now know the purpose of such a device. People pay more for sneaker and handbags, why not pay for window into a world that was impossible years ago.
That’s what everyone said about all,of the others. Vision pro is a dud product - Apple has had duds before.
This product is dead in the water,they may shift a few but not enough to recoup their investment.
@@PeresDApple Vision pro records in 3D. How much would you pay to see your dead grandparents again in 3D real-time?
@@tringuyen7519 That's morbid Lol.. To me it's a gimmick, a product that isn't necessary. Apple ,sitting on billions yet they let other companies do the major R and D and they then tweak the product. They could really push innovation with the money they're sitting on. And just as I predicted with 3D nft's and also the metaverse, this is one bird that won't fly. As a matter of fact it's not a turkey but a Dodo bird.
I'm physically disabled. The possibilities for improving my life experience is very intriguing. Can't wait to try it.
Nice to see Rene and Georgia together, reminiscent of the iMore and TiPb days. Thanks!
Renee, the synergy that you both bring to a conversation about technology is remarkable! Please consider this format going forward as I have enjoyed this video immensely!
I would really like to see you presenting together on topics that deal with the user experience of technology and usability in the future. Clearly Georgia brings a different and deep expertise (psychology? human factors analysis? GUI design?) that delivers a unique fullness to the video content. Even seeing just this one video, that fullness is a terrific differentiator from all other content creators. And incredibly, the two of you are able to work together at such a high speed, trading back and forth of the conversation. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any two people talking, building upon what the other is saying in such a natural, productive, and friendly way in real life…ever. And seemingly without editing! You guys clearly have a fantastic relationship! It’s also very clear that you really like each other:-). Such a cute couple♥️
What a dynamic duo, great conversation
I’ve wondered if am missing rene’s videos?
Great to see you both back together, always appreciate this format!
Thanks! Georgia is so smart about this stuff!
@@ReneRitchie it would be great to hear the medical and teaching medical aspects of the new Apple Vision Pro, the AVP could include automotive and aircraft designs as a introduction to students that are in elementary and junior high school. Help them pick their studies for their career and help others narrow down which job they want to do. If Microsoft and Apple did a collaboration for gaming. That would be very interesting at least.
virtual shareplay would be next step so you can watch movies with friends in a virtual theater and you could look at them talk and react with them, even if they are in different countries. this new technology is really exciting tbh
Great to see the two of you together! 😊
I hear so many tech folks freaking out over the "eyes" and going into great detail. I feel that people will quickly adjust (one or two interactions) to understand that: they can see me vs. they can't see me. No one is going to have full blown meaningful, interactions with the headset on. If they do, they have bigger issues. In my opinion, it does its job of letting the outside people know, if you are available for engagement or not.
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Wasn’t much interested before WWDC, now looking fwd to it.
Rene so glad to see you back talking about Apple! I truly miss your weekly content!!
I like it better when Rene does the VLOG alone. His monologue style is quite captivating
I cliked by accident but you two together made me watch all of it!!!!!!!!!
Where have you been hiding Georgia…have I been under a rock. Y’all are a natural and need to continue together. Sending protective and healing vibes to the both of you and all the watchers .
9:30 I've heard so many people complain about Vision Pro's 2 hrs battery life and I wonder if that was intentional from Apple. As the tech improves, the battery life will improve and by then, people will probably want to spend more time. For now, for right now, 2 hrs stents seems appropriate.
So funny to hear people complain that they can’t wear a headset for more than 30 minutes and in the next breath complain about 2 Hr battery 🙄
The battery pack can charge while you’re using it.
Welcome back Rene. I haven’t seen you for ages 😃
Im already looking into the future of solely the digital 3D content... I truly believe 2024 will have alot of 3D content emerging, ill produce all my content, shorts, podcasts, etc in 3D as well. It will be really cool!
I already see more Apps will come with tag “spatial” alongside “iOS” “Mac”.
Tik tok spatial? +Shudder+
How are you planning on recording the 3D content? What cameras?
@@Instant_NerfApple Vision pro has multiple front facing cameras & lidars. It records & plays back in 3D.
Is society ready for 3D video where all memories can be relived in real time? Your child’s first steps? Your wedding? Your dead grandparents? Are we ready for this?
I am so happy to see you and Georgia together again! Thank you for this.
Thank you both for a very illuminating discussion of the tech and social issues of headsets. A note: no matter how the technology drvelops, I would never consider or accept an implant, but I could imagine how many other people would see this as the natural evolution of technology.
I kinda miss the Apple era of Rene, he’s so different now. Not better or worse, just different.
So, (you) think (he’s) different?
@@darylewalker6862 Yes, heavier.
the Apple era? what era is he in now?
@@ΒύρωναςΛαδιάς the “people will just want the not Apple version because it’s not Apple” era.
@@ΒύρωναςΛαδιάς he’s in the “I work for RUclips” era, not the “I make Apple content for RUclips” era.
It's Rene and Georgia...which I feel makes it specifically produced for me. This was such a nice gesture Rene lol
WHHHAAATTTT!!!???? This is the crossover I NEVER expected in a million years!!!!! Lol
AR glasses are definitely the future of everyday computing. Not sure if they will replace the smartphone anytime soon but they will certainly work alongside it. The applications for augmented reality are endless, exponentially so when you start combining them with generative AI. As for the isolation factor, I think that's something we need to work on, but that's a societal problem and not a technology problem. In fact there are many ways AR could help us connect with people instead of disconnect. I am still surprised Apple got into this game but that only proves this technology has a real future.
“Your focus determines your reality”- Qui Gon :) glad Georgia and Rene touched on the isolation vs social dynamic at 7:00. It’s headphones for your eyes, I am sort of looking at how they communicated the Vision Pro which I typically don’t associate with VR or AR but why not. But newspapers, TV, mobile phones all-to name a few-have thew potential to shape our experience.
There still is a mystery around the little word "from" in from 3499 for me. When it comes to Apple products my PTSD awakes because i usually always end up on the far relative of the from price. Mac Studio from 1999.- - yeah, well, i ended up at 6500.- but only because i chose the small SSD. What'll it be for the Vision? A 2k version with a non replaceable battery in the HMD, M1 and 4Gb RAM as the base model for 3499.- maybe? And only the top model for 6000.- is able to be used tethered for working at your desk.
I think one of the biggest things that people don’t realize about this headset, is, you can have a startup that allows you to pick any seat in a football stadium, and watch the Super Bowl. You could side courtside at a basketball game, and sit next to Jack Nicholson. You can have companies produce virtual instructions. You can record the last day that your animal lived in 3D and replay that every single day, if you want. And there are a million other things I haven’t even mentioned.
Like the Apple watch, I'll wait for series 3-4 and jump in this exciting new space.
I’m in VR at least every other day watching movies, hangout out with friends I met playing golf/bowling/FPS games, but mostly karaoke. I practically never search the internet on my Quest. If immersive gaming/social gatherings isn’t a focus pillar for this headset, I dare say the Vision Pro will fail. I rather do computing on a laptop and iPad in bed than uncomfortably in a headset with 2hr battery.
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@ReneRitchie where are you man!!!
I was thinking about him today. Where is he?
Thank you thank you thank you for this!! Miss you, dude!!
With those avatars, I don’t think there will be issues with the eyes. Using the interface tells you how slot on the eye tracking is. I’m not sure why people are so bothered by it. I’d much rather see that than an emoji.
Love the clock analogy
In 5 to 7 years, when this product is fully mature, I'm sure this thing will be a massive success
I miss seeing you both together. Do more of these type of videos again!!! ❤
@10:23 - BINGO! --- This is the Question that is hard for everyone to answer.
Correct me if I’m wrong but there are in fact no camera facing our face in vision pro. Only 4 sensors and 2 IR emitters.
I use a Quest 2 w/Steam VR to play VR games while exercising on an omnidirectional treadmill. I use the Apple Watch while exercising on the omnidirectional treadmill because all other fitness sensors I tried wouldn't record in realtime the start-and-stop running of an omnidirectional treadmill workout (they'd go to "sleep mode" during dialog sections in the videogame, for example, and would take a minute or two to wake up, by which time you might be finished running to the next area in the videogame). You'd think with Apple's focus on fitness, they'd make a VR headset which is compatible with fitness gaming. But I can't imagine working out and sweating into a $3500 headset. The external battery would be OK if using an omnidirectional treadmill (you could just attach it to the back of the omnidirectional treadmill), but I'd imagine the external battery would be annoying if exercising out in the real world, like jogging on jogging trail or something
Thank you for posting this Rene. With so many hot takes about this product, thank you for posting a video with a more nuanced approach
Hal-Life Alyx on the Vision Pro would be insane. Doubt Valve will do the heavy lifting unfortunately.
They did make past half life and portal games available on mac, I really wish they would do it even if just to push other game companies and steam on visionOs
@@jeanbutinfrench Yea, never say never but as of now the Vision Pro doesn’t support 6DoF controllers. Not sure how it will happen with out that. A lot of redesign would be required.
I saw many people a bit out of sorts for the part of the Vision Pro demonstration where the father was recording the birthday and people were a bit puzzled about that as to why a father would have a headset on recording the birthday party. I feel like that's the same thing of any father with a HandiCam at a children's birthday party.
Exactly but with this you can experience it while recording it to a greater extent.
Remember the Lebron moment where everyone in the arena was watching it with a phone in their hand? It’s not much different. My guess is the next iPhone pro will have 3D photo/video compatible with the Vision OS
I think this device as is priced is meant for developers and early adopters so that they can iron out the remaining issues. I think there will be an affordable non pro version, just called Vision. I think this is the product you want when you want immersion. It is not a product you want to use all the time or for long periods. I think the battery pack should be 3hrs. However maybe the 2hrs limitation of the battery pack is intentional due to health and safety concerns of the eye sight.
The one application Apple now has to figure out is gaming on VR.
I mean you can plug it in and work longer than two hours.
@@TheDawnofVanlife Apple gives you that option but the way they envision people want to use it is untethered to anything fixed. That is why they made the battery pack extremely portable by making it pocket-able.
Totally agree. First series is for people wanting to explore what the future has to hold and what they will do with it. Early adopters as myself will help mold this device and I am excited to buy it.
Agree. It should be common in the future but the first step need to be taken or else we are not going anywhere. I can imagine this being utilised in many fields from construction to education.
@@k.vn.k the biggest use of computing whether on the cloud, desktop or smartphones is not productivity but entertainment. Other than affordability any VR/AR solution also needs to be useful for someone to want to use it over any of the other existing solutions. The tag pro indicates to me this is meant for real pros (developers and content creators) who will develop a catalogue of 3D video content, games and applications before the more affordable version comes out. If all VR/AR does is offer 2D video content, games and applications in a 3D environment, that is not compelling enough, it has to offer a holistic 3D immersive experience.
Thank you Rene and Georgia! You have been missed. 🎉❤🎉
The price makes sense when you look at it like the initial Tesla production model. Ultra high end fit, finish and performance at a steep price meant for select customers.
this is already cheaper than a half decent multi monitor setup by itself. like just simply 3 emulated huge screens would be enough value for me personally.
I loved this conversation. I want to figure it out. Buying one to make videos.
I want to be the hacker guy in every video game with ascii art for eyes on his headset
That’s also why it’s not available in the UK. We’re almost always on the same timeline of Apple releases as you guys in the USA but this…they didn’t even mention a future date for any release in any other country
I really missed you two tougher 🤩
Your brainstorming trying to figure out if you like this is interesting. I still feel like most reviewers can’t see the broad benefits including Marques. It goes to show you how Apple’s device has really overwhelmed people with their incredible preliminary implementation. Every company is changing their design to copy Apple’s. Hopefully a year of refinements and more information will produce a well rounded product.
I don't see what they showed as an "incredible preliminary implementation." Apple's presentation to me showed they actually didn't learn from their competition and missed the mark in a variety of ways from design, to cost, their presentation, and lack of supported apps. It looks half-baked, yet stupidly over-engineered in the wrong areas. Their tracking for instance. The sensors will miss movements beyond 90 degrees due to their placement for inside out tracking. The front eyes oled panel that's definitely adding at least $500 to the price for very limited gains to the user, but also now adds breakable glass to the outside of the device. The heavy metal construction that'll contribute to it being too heavy to comfortably wear for very long periods while simultaneously causing it to wear out faster. There's limited app support because they didn't move to make it work with the established industry.
There's some decent parts of it, but a ton of really inexcusable flaws for the company who's supposed to come in with the well developed product that's learned from the first movers' mistakes.
Rene, after you joined RUclips I thought your videos kinda lost something. I tuned you out. Still subscribed but not watching often. I’ll be back checking you out again. Why? Because the addition of your companion in this video made it so much more dynamic, and at the same time it broke up your breathless firehose style of presentation, making it less exhausting to watch. If she is willing, you should have her participate more often. Regarding the content, GREAT! The thoughts about the long range future history of this technology were especially interesting. Thanks for another deep grok of Apple.
I’ve never subscribed so fast! Love this lady!!
Apple, as usual, have proved how to move it forward.
Like it or hate it... a truly complete version 1.... But in the end, it was going to happen... Apple or not..
no, thisis not how it works, things don't happen, someone has to do it.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl lol.. right on point...... I think.
Eh. The Vision Pro is undeniably cool tech and they had a really solid reveal presentation for it - but I don't think it's going to do very much to spur further adoption of this tech. VR is a niche product right now and AR is a niche within that niche. This product, being as expensive as it is, is destined to be a niche within a niche within a niche - and given they've basically completely ignored VR gaming it's likely to have even more limited appeal.
It's going to sell out for sure - but the buzz will die down quickly and almost nobody will talk about this thing until a new model is revealed in a few years and everyone collectively remembers they still have the first one collecting dust in their closet.
@Silver Joystix there was no evidence a smartphone is in demand either? People were happy with their blackberry until iPhone was announced.
@@ryhanon7 can i buy your crystal ball? 😝 i need to know the next lotto full prize number since you know the future so much.
This was SO GREAT. Perfect storm/combination of talent, POV and expertise to talk about the Vision Pro. Thank you
Can we use our voices to interact with Apple Vision Pro like Voice Control or Voice Command allows us to interact with our Macs?
I really want to try this BUT... the price is killing it !!!
9:30 - Interesting: I hadn’t noticed this before: the dad taking 3D photos of his daughters has a strap going over the top of his head! I guess that’s an optional strap?
Human-machine augments are where this is headed.I love what Alastair Reynolds did with this in Blue Earth Remembered, and this seems like an early version of the tech that could ultimately end up being commonplace in the future.
where did he go? why no vids about iPhone 15?
Love love this. Intelligent conversation.
reminds me of camcorders in the 70s and 80s through to today where nobody lugs one of those things around but everyone has a capable camcorder equivalent with their phone video camera
I’ve heard, from previous generations of headsets, reports of nausea from using the headset. Is that problem solved or partially solved by this device?
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Apple should buy XReal and the Mudra Band and make an absolute KILLING introducing its base to AR.
The headset (a 130 inch micro-oled screen the size of sun glasses) could be a compliment to the iPhone the way that people can't leave their house without their AirPods and the Mudra Band is essentially an Apple Watch Band that allows for moreless the same hand gestures that the AVP does. Just make it a part of Apple's "Vision" line and have the AVP as part of its Pro lineup.
Use case: Waiting at the Doctors office, car repair etc, just reach in your pocket, grab your Apple Visions plug them (or airplay) them to your iPhone, put on your AirPod Pros and immerse yourself in your favorite shows at 130inchs+ while everyone else is watching Jeopardy.
The technology for this scenario already exists. It would be absolutely awesome if there were Apple Branded products that could do this. The AVP is great so is it's potential OS, but the price alienates the same people who put billions of dollars into Apples pockets in the first place.
As a niche product for gamers or specific industries for design or simulators, sure AR/VR goggles or glasses will serve a purpose and be useful. As a general consumer product, that so many are predicting will revolutionize tech, I just can't see it happening unless the pricing gets to commodity levels, which is a long way away, if ever!
Great video to have a conversation format to explore ideas here.
This is my new favorite podcast. Thanks Rene Lol 😊
My main concern is for the Zeiss correction, for us wearing specifically tailored prescription glasses.
I'd hate to drop $3.5K, only to realize I'm somewhat in the vicinity of my previous glasses, clarity wise.
Cant wait for version 5
Apple finally reinvents the live TV with Vision Pro which can bring life size artists or new anchors into people living room. But as a computing device, I would like to see expansion ports on it for backup or external monitor when I'm not put it on my face.
Rene, did you pre-order your AVP?
I keep thinking about the CarPlay features the Vision Pro has to offer. The Vision Pro maybe the reason Apple is not threatened by GM removing CarPlay from its products.
I don’t like when folks make a lot of assumptions about a product.
I love hearing you both !
Rene, thanks for having Georgia on to comment on this. Apple has created a technologically advanced headset that is beyond what anyone has produced before, but the question really is - what is the human reaction to this.
This headset like all of the others is isolating and so Apple spends 90% of the tech on making it less isolating and the other 10% on what the headset is meant to do - bring you information and experiences in a new, compelling way. At 15:49 this is what Apple wanted; the Apple Vision Pro is what we got. Apple will hopefully make this a useful product that will have niche success. Apple Vision Pro is THE killer app for the flight from LA to Honolulu, but everyone else is waiting for confirmation on the rest of it.
I really wanted to hear what Georgia had to say as well!
Before this video, I watched another YT commentator seeing the goggles as a philosophical flop because it’s isolating, that it doesn’t keep the human connection from being broken. He felt that the special Apple sauce didn’t fix this social isolation problem.
I see this version as more for developers and enterprise, like the huge Surface whiteboards that Microsoft offers to big businesses.
has Georgia also had plenty of time trying out the Pro Vision. wasn’t clear from the parts i watched, i kind skipped through the video bc i’m not super interested in this product but was interested in her takes.
Rene, the independent Mac community misses you!
I'm still here!!
Rene: So what are the VR headsets we have owned?
Georgia: Yes
It’s already a powerful standalone computer at this version 0. No need for a Mac or iPhone. Wait for size and weight reduction and we have Commander La Forge‘s visor. That’s the moment when we will replace our phones and watches with this! But now it will be my next working machine, and as soon as facetime takes care of a virtual room/table, we will sit there sharing documents with clicking Share Screen.
Great perspective!
Is it isolating? Yes, but less so than its predecessors. Is it the next big direction in computers? Yes. Will it transform entertainment? Yes. Will it transform how we work? Maybe. Would I buy one? Big maybe.
Give us 2.5k resolution in each eye, 120hz, m1 chip, r1 chip and all the same tracking cameras and the same spatial audio (with audio ray tracing) like Vision pro for like 999usd. Also make it a bit slimmer if possible. Then this cheaper version will always be 1-3 years behind the more expensive one.
Apple is usually strategic when introducing new products. My best assumption is that it will gain more development in the market and start a trend in that direction, similar to what they did with the iPhone. Since the big advances with their M chips, it seems like VR/AR will have the power needed without being too bulky. The higher-end Oculus sets require a gaming PC with at least an Intel i5-4590 and an Nvidia GTX 1050Ti . I remember trying out the Hololens in 2015 and it was not a great experience. It seemed slow and buggy. It seems like when Microsoft entered the smartphone market when Palm Pilots were the current top business device. The Windows phone was marred by buggy software and less fluid experience.
Consciousness.
Expanded!
In my opinion Apple created Vision Pro as productivity tool as #1 priority. As a productivity tool, $3500 is not overly expensive for a company to purchase.
People often forget that computers started first as a productivity tool used in offices before it evolved into the Laptop/iPAD/iPhone. In the same way, Vision Pro would most likely be adopted in offices first before it is used for home/game use case.
Well they did present it as a new form of “spatial computing”, but they did not present it as an Enterprise device. Yes - they proposed use cases for FaceTiming with coworkers while on a business trip, for mirroring the display of a MacBook, and receiving 3D models via chat/email…
*But*, they also presented consumer-focused experiences like watching movies, taking 3D family pictures, looking at giant photos, and just generally everything you’d currently use your iPhone/iPad for.
An Enterprise-intended device would be presented in an entirely different, formal manner with 90% of the casual/consumer features stripped from it to ensure employee productivity.
I can’t help but thinking on how this will affect one’s vision?
So, when using the goggle and zooming out of a window, our pupils will get narrower? Or it’s only a clever trick and we are looking at a flat screen all the time without using our pupils?
When using VR, your eyes focus the same way they do in real life. The screen may be 2 centimeters from your eyes but if the virtual scene is a floating screen 3 meters away, your eyes focus as if you’re simply looking at something 3 meters away.
Would Apple offer auxiliary video input?
This is only the first iteration. There is already talk of a cheaper, smaller version by 2025. And the real game changer is going to be when this technology comes to Apple Glasses. I believe that is the ultimate goal for Apple.
Implants are where I draw a line. They can augment or supplement our regular senses, but definitely not getting a brain chip or implant.
8:50 that's what I've been saying!!! How can the Apple Vision Pro destroy the fabric of society?! We are already glued to our phones
The google glass is the way forward , combined with some sort of drone (very small drone) will achieve the objectives. The drone is to be able to display self.
Everyone can talk about concept but they are meaningless without actual working product.
@@k.vn.k everything starts from a concept, the concept here was wrong and they have invested so much to have a product that is failing. All the other competitors are failing and Apple will fail. You want to be immersed and want to project yourself virtually somewhere else every thing about what I said says you are in a container projecting a reality to you and a container picking up your image and sending somewhere else. The headset puts you in a container but it is too close to pick up
Your image and send elsewhere.
I would like to use Vision Pro to able to see hotel room that I would like to book.
Will it still work for people with a lazy eye? 😮
This is a high-end product for people with enough money to throw away into a beta project not yet fully actualized with hardware and software. To deter casual consumers who aren’t so tech savvy from getting it and being disappointed in this early-gen product, Apple gave it a high price. You might ask why they’re even releasing it, it’s because Apple still needs to attract developers to the space in order to have apps and find use cases and make improvements to the software stack before they get people who would just never buy it again if the experience was poor. They want to keep sentiment about AR/MR high within the consumer’s mind
Always appreciative of your takes and really enjoyed the conversation. WWDC really missed you this year.
Thank you Sigmund! First one I missed since 2009, and it was the people I missed most!
I really look at this version as a means to an end . . . they're going to make the software while the hardware catches up . . . when it's not much different than wearing a pair of current eye glasses, it'll be complete. This is sort of like getting to see the aqua interface of early Mac OS X but on an Apple II box in some way.
People didn't think they wanted or needed a 1000.00 phone either, but now everyone has one.
I hate the idea of it but it most likely will be everywhere, they will subsidize it through phone plans or make it a lease or payments over a few years.
Cellphones were already being used a TON well before the iphone and without the iphone, it was still clear mobile phones were becoming the standard and even business phones like blackberry did things like scroll the internet and write emails. We would still have been moving toward mobile pocket phones if iphone had never existed. Would they all be the same (boring) slate style if not for iphone, who knows. But Mobile phones were a well established rising market that Apple simply entered.
VR headsets have always been niche, it’s not something we already use in common use.
Couldn't you just load the gamepass website and stream games that way with a paired controller on the headset?