Test rode both, bought the Kawasaki. The main reasons were: the Z was a better physical fit, the seat was more comfortable and most importantly the engine power is spread right across the rev range. At the top end the Kawasaki still feels strong, whereas the Yamaha's a bit breathless. Can't go wrong with either but the Z's a more rounded bike in my view.
@No_Name Oh man! lol that would be a rough ride for a passenger. The FZ-07 has more butt room than the Z-650. The FZ also in my opinion has better hand holds for the passenger, but both very uncomfortable for something that long, but were both kinda old so (I'm 50,Pop's is 76) so maybe with 2-3 stops it would okay. video: ruclips.net/video/MSDw5Yoarb4/видео.html
I considered the MT-07 and sat on it, but ultimately, I went with the 2020 Z650, which I just purchased last month. Thanks for comparing the two...great video and very informative.
@@MotoJournoKris I have added a radiator guard and tank guard and that's been it so far. Been difficult finding frame sliders, they are always out of stock..I like my bike a lot, very smooth but not been able to break it in as fast as I wanted to, either been raining a lot or almost 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
nice, you can't go wrong with any of the japanese naked bikes i have MT-07 2019 and I love it, they have been refining and upgrading them for many years so they are all solid
Mr Kris. Please don't be afraid to "jump" between pictures to show the bike you're currently talking about. I got a little lost in the first minute when you talked about one bike, but showed the other. If you were to jump between bikes (and show examples of the mods/features you are mentioning) I would subscribe. :P Ehh, prolly will anyway.
Yea sorry about that, at time's it's a struggle to ensure the images reflect exactly what I'm talking about, without switching them every three seconds. Will definitely take note to try and make it a better in future though, appreciate the feedback!
Yeah tbf i think its a bit too much for a complete beginner, I ride a cbf125 and obviously its bc i have an A1 license here in Holland. My A2 bike will be the mt07 35kw so the mt07 full power will be my "3rd" bike. 75 bhp is brutal on the road especially for a complete beginner.
@@motormullie3404 tbf it honestly also completely depends on the body size and confidence of the rider. You can be a complete noob and be confident (with care) and trust yourself on a 650 parallel twin. They have pretty linear power unlike 4pots which just roar as soon as you let the revs get up to speed. On top of all that, if you are a bigger person, I'd rather get something that would carry my weight. I had been riding on a Ninja 300 the past half year or so and I am only 60-65kg, and the power is already boring me. Just be confident while still having a brain.
I got the 2021 mt 07 as my first bike a month ago and I say it's a good first bike. Not so powerful that it's scarey or that it will get away from you. Still powerful enough that I feel like i will be happy with it for a couple years. I love the weight and the maneuverability of this bike. I have never rode any other bike though so this is just my opinion.
I have an Fz-07. When I bought it nearly 4 years ago, I preferred its styling to the Z650. But ever since the Z got updated with the dual headlight, I just think it looks so incredibly badass that I'm thinking of switching.
They did a great job updating the Z650, it looks a lot better with the new headlight and the fully blacked out engine, the earlier versions with the silver engines and the older style headlights didn't have quite the same streetfighter feel to the style.
Great balanced review.. Even though I’m not a fan of the looks of these Street fighters, Z’s looks are slightly more appealing to me, so given a choice I’ll pick Z.
I’ve been riding a 2018 MT-07 lams since late 2018 since they are available in NZ and Australia and I have throughly enjoyed riding it since it is light, agile and it has a good amount of torque for responding to the throttle while riding
Nice objective review Kris. For me, it’s the MT07 every day. I love the more classic style and the sound of the cross plane motor is right up there for me. I’m also a fan of light weight, as I believe it’s always easier to set up the handling on a lighter bike. Great work Kris!
Or you could go 'real' classic styling (you said you like classic styling) and a real v-twin throb instead of a 270 crank parallel twin and go the SV650! ;-) ;-) (Yes, I know the SV is heavier, this is more a bit of banter. Although the Suzuki 645cc V-Twin is a very characterful engine with a reliability reputation many bikes could only dream of)
@Jaapst and you're completely entitled to that opinion. There are many people out there that like it too. I also see you must have missed the bit where I said it was a bit of banter.
I had the MT07. LOVED the power, but it was top heavy. Felt like riding the top of a car. The seating position and compact design of the Z650 is much better for a smaller guy like me.
@@Andreadexxo Fit on the bike is such a personal thing, sometimes the contours of the seat or bodywork can be great for one rider, but terrible for others.
I’ve ridden both, and I don’t know how you can say you prefer both the same. The Z650 was as exciting as vanilla pudding, while the MT07 feels like flying a fighter jet. WAAAAAAY more peppy engine.
Some people greatly prefer inline fours, others would only buy V-twins, which is mainly personal preference. But the MT-07 does have a very characterful engine.
Own a 2007 sv650 but never ridden yet this 2 bikes. The z650 looks stunning and with more aparent quality than the mt07. The mt07 is supposed to be slightly faster and nervous. I would still choose the z650 if sv650 was not an option. Incredible bikes for road use, commute and ocasional weekend fun rides.
Of course its sound better but for everything else the z650 is the choice. I love the raw nature of MT07 but its suspension and brakes are just to meh to overlook especially since the cost the same
@@shuttzi9878 I have an Fz07 and have never had any issues with my suspension or braking. Get familiar with your bike and practice emergency braking. You don't just brake lol there is technique to braking etc. I will admit the rear brake pedal feels a bit soft to touch but that is an easy fix. All bikes are different. In terms of personality and aggressiveness fz07/mt07 wins. The street isnt a race track so idk wtf ish you trying to do to cause the suspension to not be adequate enough or brakes
I own the fz07 for 3 years now....when people say "the suspension is to soft" just blows my mind away. I live in the states (colorado) to be exact; and I've hit twisties here in the rockies and this bike will handle flawlessly no problem. I love the 07 because it can get you in and out of situations whether that's city or twisties. Dont let these comparisons make your decision...only you can keep the rubber side up! Throttle happy can get you in trouble if not careful with any bike. Anything 600cc and up has more then enough "grunt".
I’m one of those people lol. I don’t know man, I’ve been riding sport bikes for 15 years. Been doing some cruiser riding the past few years as well. I work on motorcycles for a living so I get the opportunity to ride a wide variety of bikes. We took an FZ07 on trade a few weeks back and I got to ride it. I absolutely loved it lol. It’s such a light weight, fun to ride bike. I actually really enjoyed it. With that being said, the suspension felt really soft to me. I’m sure the bike is set up from the factory for a rider 140-160 pounds?? I would guess it’s somewhere in there. I’m 195-200 pounds. Depends on the day... I’m not sure what you weigh but I’m gonna assume that the people that think it’s too soft, are probably too heavy for the stock suspension. I don’t know. I could be way off. Just my theory. I would at some point like to add one of those bikes to my stable. It’s an AWESOME bike!! Get tons of smiles per gallon.
I bought a z650 due to enjoying it on test ride but mt07 is deffo better bike but pretty common. My friends most have mt on group rides and it gets a bit boring seeing so many lol
Owning ninja 1000, buy my previous was an 2018 FZ 07. Before to buy it, i tast rod also z650, which in my taste was boring (engine), so I ended up going with FZ 07 (MT 07). It is very funny bike, a lot of pleasure in the city and twisti's, great torque on any gears at low rpm's Still I would like to have it as a second bike
What's the reasoning behind the restrictions on the Mt07? The standard 689cc is a monster, I have tested it and it's ready to ambush on the road, picks up speed like crazy and forces you to to do silly overtakes 😁. I have to admit the Z650 looks a lot better in any angle, I will have to try one out to compare the bikes. I am actually considering upgrading my Cb500f any time now. Thank you for this video mate 👍👍👍
Just the Aussie new rider restrictions, similar to the A2 system in Europe, but also with an overall capacity (and power to weight ratio) limit, with the limit being 660cc. Even cruisers well below the power to weight ratio don't meet LAMS requirements for that reason. It was a big step forward back when they launched as far as restricted models, as it didn't have a throttle stop that only let you open the throttle a quarter turn and barely felt restricted at all. Especially compared to something like the FZ6R which proceeded it (in restricted form).
Had an MT - suspension is a worry when entering corners Looking at Z650 for next bike. Also MT is twitchy and not always comfortable. Just my opinion having owned MT07, R3 and rode the MT09 yesterday for quite a while.
i have been undecided on which one should i buy this is only my pros and con z650:kawasaki pros: style/looks, awesome headlight(2020)model, slipper clutch, perfect beginner bike cons:slow lacks power mt-07:yamaha pros:little bit faster than z650, definitely a master of torque cons:not a fan of headlight, not a beginner bike
I'm a new rider and really appreciate these comparisons and you did a great job! I just ordered an MT-03 to learn on this year and maybe next with the idea of upgrading to the Z650 or the (new in 2021) Mt-07. Something about the Kawasaki is that I like the add on cowl a lot. I think it makes the bike look more complete vs not having it. Much better with than without. Curious as to what the styling will be on the updated MT-07. I love the look of the new 03. Hoping it's in the same realm.
Starting on an MT-03 is a great idea, and they look insanely cool with the latest update. I am interested to see what Yamaha do with the MT-07 when it gets the next update, and whether it'll go more futuristic, and follow the MT-10 styling, or whether they'll try and keep it a bit more restrained.
Good idea. These aren't really beginner bikes like the author calls them. A larger, intelligent rider, maybe, but not ideal. They also have way more HP than he says.
@@WestOzMT Awesome, you going to go with one of the aftermarket options for exhaust through Yamaha, or looking further afield? They definitely sound better (than stock) with the Akro.
@@MotoJournoKris I'm not to sure exhaust systems seem to pretty pricey. I have seen a few videos of people fitting full systems from Amazon and Ali express costing a few hundred.
@@WestOzMT Yep that's an option, just have to worry about they fit, long term quality, etc. If I was keeping the bike long term I'd probably invest in a decent exhaust. Can mess around with something cheaper if that's not the case and see how it goes.
Sorry, to me the MT07 looks like a bunch of parts thrown in a pile. I like the looks of the Z's swingarm and the overall styling seems to flow better (including the side of the engine). Another great and thoughtful review, Kris.
I wouldn't have said they stand out as bad. The SV650 brakes before they were upgraded were much easier to criticise there, and I reckon the forks would have needed a decent recalibration to handle much stronger brakes on that bike. It's no Brembo setup, but it's not priced like one either, overall.
As far as I'm concerned you can't really judge a bike by what it has so much as by what it delivers and the Yamaha delivers more smiles per mile that the Kawi. It's all about that awesome engine, baby!
Hi, I have a 2019 Z400 and I'm thinking about upgrading to the 2020 Z650. I have handlebar risers on my Z400, but looking at the 2020 with that TFT right over the handlebars, is that possible? Also, I have the Kawi OEM longer windscreen on the Z400 (it does make a difference at highway speeds), I have not seen a long windscreen for the 2020 Z650 on the Kawi website. Hmmm...
It does look a bit limited at the moment on that front, especially the 'bar risers with that TFT display placement. I'm sure it's possible, but just how difficult is... is another thing entirely!
@@thomas15-12 I traded in the Z400 for the 2020 Ninja 650. Believe it or not I am quite comfortable with the Ninja's stock handlebars. Besides that, I like the fact I don't need to rev the engine to get moving from red lights and stop signs. And less shifting of gears as well.
Hard to beat going for a test ride when it comes to getting a decent feel for the bikes. Just sitting on them instore isn't bad for ergos, but a ride gives you a better idea about engine character, suspension, etc.
@@MotoJournoKris Problem is in Houston test rides on Japanese bikes are not available. I can’t test ride them. Hence I don’t know what to get. Feel stuck, frustrated. I can only test ride Harley and BMW. What would you do if in my predicament? They expect one to spend all that money with no test ride. P.S. I think one of the BMW dealers will allow a test ride on Triumph also. Again so no test ride on a Japanese bikes!
@@dry509 Yea that's tough, seems crazy that's the case. Any chance of finding them second hand somewhere to test ride, do they allow that or is it just a blanket rule even for second hand bikes? Both are great machines so I don't think you can really go wrong. Each have some advantages, and certainly different characters. Maybe Twisted Road might be an option? I've heard people mention hiring a bike from them.
I actually just had the MT as a tester for about four months as a long term review thanks to Yamaha, so sadly not a real owner, but I did get the owner's experience having the bike for that long. A few people have asked me that though, and I reckon it would be such a hard choice, it would probably come down to which I could get the better deal on when it came to shopping for them. That way I'd have some money left over for a few tasty mods, maybe some rider training or new gear, as I think I'd be 100% happy with either. That or upgrade my wife's Ninja 400 and get both!
hello, i'm from portugal, i have the mt 07 full, 75cv,.. and i've never ridden with the z650,.. which is also a good bike, but i think it's very compact, small, as well as the new trident 660 also very compact, ..but, anyway, the 07 is also small and narrow but not so much ,.., well, according to other people who have already driven both will tell me that it had nothing to do with it, in terms of emotion,.. power,.. being the mt 07 is clearly better and tastier, fun to ride,...although I even think the z650 is more complete and refined, but overall and in what it feels like,..I prefer the mt 07,..even because of the sound, crossplane , very different ,..for the better ,..but both bikes are very good ,.., from the z family, my favorite is the z 900,.. a work of art ,..very good same
That's a good way of looking at it and aligns with my thoughts. The MT-07 has that bit more character, which can be a big advantage if you really dig it. The Z has some very nice advantages in some of the details in comparison.
It'll depend where you are, but Australian RRPs are currently: $12,749 ride-away for the MT-07 and $12,208 ride-away for the Z650, both 2022 models (so the newer MT-07 style). That's an RRP for the Z650 specific for Sydney too, it may vary by location, where the MT-07 price is the general Australian pricing.
Hi Mate, good review comparison, question , where did you film this review , I feel like I have possibly ridden on some of those roads when I lived in Aussie.
@@MotoJournoKris , cheers for replying mate ,that was my playground growing up in Berowra Heights , that old Highway was a fun ride , the Berowra waters to Galston gorge then home thru Hornsby heights and back of Asquith was my favourite ride
@@matthewblackwell1194 They are such fun roads through there, especially both sides of the ferry. Galston Gorge is a bit of a game of chance, so many people use it who shouldn't be trusted with a wheelbarrow let alone a car, a clear run is nice, but it can be a real nightmare too, I've gone through a few times on a bike and someone in a long vehicle has been stuck at a hairpin so no one can get through (except bikes).
Usually the bigger annoucements for next year bikes are shown in EICMA Show in Italy. That's where most brands showcase their upcoming bikes. So stay tuned for this years EICMA (it's scheduled to happen from 3rd to the 8th of November) to see whats coming in 2021
@@the.communist i am putting of buying a new bike until i see 2021 models. Got my self 250cc scooter that will do for this year. ^_^ cant wait. Z650 needs love 2, SV650 radiator....plain and simple ugly af.
The SV 650 is a bike I'm interested in. I'm around the same height as you but 90 kg. I'm sure they are all good and ai guess it comes down to what sort of engine configuration your after and budget. Don't want to regret buying one when I should bought the other. Thanks for replying.
@@gavinr1834 The SV stands out for being a V-twin, and is arguably best value in the category, I don't really think there's a wrong choice. I'd say most riders who end up wanting to upgrade from this class of bike, would regardless of which they picked. But personal fit on the bike definitely comes into it too.
It's really worth sitting on both and seeing if one feels better or more natural. The seat heights should be ideal for most riders of that height, then it's just the smaller differences where you may see some preference.
what bike do you think is more comfortable to use for a few hours around town and small tripps for a rider with 75kg and 6ft 2 (185cm) tall ? Also a total noob(I haven't even rode a bike since I got my A licence a few years ago) ! :)) Thanks!
They are quite a good match generally speaking, but the MT-07 did feel a bit larger and roomier to me, where the Z650 feels very compact and streetfighter themed in comparison, which is a bit of a personal preference as to which riders like. At your height the seat height should be fine on either. I wouldn't hesitate to spend a few hours on either bike, although the comfort seat on the Yamaha did help in that area. It'd be worth sitting on each and seeing if one feels more natural for you.
I had the MT-07 for a number of months for testing, and was getting about 4.5-5L per 100km, while testing the Z650 for the day it was similar, for spirited riding, so I would have said they are fairly similar in that regard.
If you're trying to wheelie, you'll wheelie. You can loop a CB250 but they were still the bike of choice when I did my pre-licence course. A little common sense and you'll have no issues with the MT-07. If you lack throttle control to such an extent you can't help but wheelie everywhere on an MT-07, you'll be dangerous on a bicycle and should stick to starting on a 50cc.
@@MotoJournoKris wheelies is one thing, I mentioned them because they tell about bike's power. What really concerns me, is loosing rear or getting high side in the turn, because newbie might not be able to control that power
Great review Kris! Subbed. I'll be getting my L in Jan 2021... Hopefully 🤞. My options are Ninja400/MT-07. Personally don't like the look of kawasaki naked ones for LAMS. As I am older than 25 I can get unrestricted in 15months. Is it tough to maintain 2 bikes? I am thinking MT07 for now and get zx-10r when I get the unrestricted license. Yamaha for daily commute and 10r for weekend rides. And I would certainly buy the 2019/2020 zx10r and not the 2021. What do you reckon?
Both are great machines, but if you're thinking about picking up a ZX-10R on your fulls, the MT-07 might be a fun option so you've got two different style bikes in the garage. If you wanted a smaller capacity machine that could be turned into a track bike that you wouldn't mind binning as much, the Ninja 400 might be a better option there. Either are ideal for commuting. It might be worth checking out if there's a big difference if you're going for full comprehensive insurance between the two and want to keep that cost down with owning another bike in mind. The second bike will obviously cost you a bit more, however you're keeping commuting mileage off the ZX-10R, not wasting your tyres on all that day to day stuff, and that'll help resale. Good luck getting your Ls!!!
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you so much Kris for taking time and replying to my questions and for the tips! Obviously I will have to test ride the LAMS bikes before deciding on one but I do have few concerns about them. MT-07 - This one seemed perfect for my height but I hear they have swingarm corrosion issues, brakes lacking bite, clutch plate breaking, clunky gear shifts and front shocks being too soft putting the bike out of balance during high speed braking. Have you come across these as common issues ? Ninja400 - Haven't heard of any common issues with it, but personally for me as I am 6foot tall, the bike looks a bit low. Triumph Trident - Any thoughts about this one? I know it's too early to say, not sure if we have one in Australia yet, but seems to be a good contender for the MT-07. I also have an eye on the Street triple LAMS and was wondering about the maintenance costs with triumph bikes, I hear they are quite expensive in comparison. Thanks!
@@MisterG7 Happy to be of help! I think some of the complaints around the MT-07 stem from people expecting the kind of suspension/brakes you'd get on a $20k sportsbike, on something half the price, or taking one to the track with similar expectations. That could be partially because the engine is so good, people really use them to the limit. There's room for improvement because they are built to the budget, but that's true of every bike. I'm about 70kg plus gear, so I'm probably lucky in that I'm in the right region for the stock suspension, but I've always found it good, well past anything legal. But it's not like my Daytona with Ohlins, where it actually gets better the faster you ride. It's just a solid, all-round system designed to work for a very wide variety of riders. Some Yamaha models do have a clunkier gear shift, but that's just a characteristic, not a problem if you ask me. More specific issues, like with corrosion, the clutch, etc, it's always difficult to say. I haven't heard about them enough, even searching online, to think they are widespread, when you consider there's tens of thousands of these bikes around the world. Some spots of rust along the welds on the swingarm is something some people report, but easily fixed as well. Plus you never know if it's something caused by the rider, how/where they ride, their maintenance to the bike, etc, etc. There's some terrible advice out there on the net, and there's some great advice that can be equally catastrophic when done wrong, or by someone without the right skills, or attention to detail. Size could be an issue on the Ninja 400, although it is a fair bit roomier than the Z400 for comparison. The ZX-10R will probably feel more compact than the Ninja 400 though! I think the Trident is going to be very interesting, offering some stiff competition to the MT-07, especially depending on the new MT-07s price. Triumph were boasting very low servicing time/costs as well compared to most of the competition, so hourly rates being similar, it shouldn't be a big difference, or could even be better based on their claims. Hoping to get a chance to test the Trident in the new year! If you could get a Street Triple 660, that'd be a good option too, with a bump in specs over the Trident.
@@MotoJournoKris Thanks again Kris! Highly appreciate you taking time and patiently answering all the questions and concerns I had asked. You are right, if people are buying the MT-07 without thinking twice then it must be a good all rounder for sure, especially for people who can't upgrade for 3-4 years. Plus it has room for mods. Triumph Trident seems VFM when compared to the MT-07. I will have to ride them first and then decide what would be good on a longer run. Will wait for your review on the Trident as well! Cheers. Wishing you and your loved ones a very Happy 2021!
*плиз, нужна помощь ((3 сезона катаю на 200 кубовом китайчике, хочу сменить кубатуру, выбор пал на хонду хорнет 250, звук бомба, едет хорошо, и ямаха мт07, не тяжелый(то что и нужно мне), красивый,короч влюбился в эти 2, что подскажешь брать?*
I'd probably recommend the MT-07 if you've spent that long on a 200 cc, you'll appreciate the extra power and they are a great fun machine. The Honda Hornet 250 is a much smaller upgrade in my opinion.
Must be Australia.Cause your riding on the left side of the road.In California,U.S.A we drive on the right side of the road.I'd take the Yamaha MT07.Yamaha's are bullet proof.My last motorcycle was a *09 Yamaha FZ6.Rode it everywhere.Now I'm looking to buy a new motorcycle.If I can swing it.I want the MT09.I need that torque!Time to feed the cat.And watch reruns of M*A*S*H on MeTV.
Yep, I'm in Sydney. I had an 08 FZ6N for a few years, was a great bike, till someone reversed over it! The MT-09 is wicked if you're after more power, the triple is really something else.
I thought the Z650 was a little faster turning/more nimble, but there wasn't much in it. Both are easy to U-turn on, but I probably didn't do enough on either to say whether one had a significantly tighter turning circle, or made U-turns feel easier or more confidence inspiring. With the upright seating positions they are easy to handle for that kind of manoeuver though.
If you like electronic stuff get the z650 mt 07 is pure motorcycle you get one power mode the twist grip lol plus mt is great for wheelies and awesome sound with akrapovic exaust
It's really worth checking one out in person, you probably won't be getting both feet flat, but you might still find it manageable, getting one foot down. Whether you've got long legs in proportion to your height can also play a large part.
Me too 5’4 small and I did my exam on Mt07 and I liked it more better than Kawasaki Er6n. Yes, I was like a little balerina but anyway.. I pass my exam very well and I had big smile on my face when I saw that my exam bike is Yamaha MT07 because I love that bike, it’s for me like very good shoes ;)
@@MotoJournoKris oh, at exam when I saw 5 boys taking bikes and than was my turn and there was only MT07 left.. I smiled like a sunshine my niciest and earlier motoriding ever at 8 o’clock AM :D One day at motoschool I was together in duet driving in the city with one guy, after driving I was soooo high because I wasn’t slow and I all the time was near that guy, it was challenging, and after that driving I asked my instructor ‘today, that was small one?’ (I meant motorcycle) Guy started laugh and my instructor, women, started smile.. and said, no, it was big one, is it small for you, you wanna bigger? :D It was yamaha, I saw that, and after that I saw.. oh, it was MT07 :D
That Z1000 headlight is particularly mean looking, they definitely toned down the Z styling on the 650, as the Z1000 and Z800 tended to polarise people on the looks.
Great review, I'm actually considering either one for my next bike. The horsepower figures you mentioned though, isn't it 75 for the mt and 70 for the z650? Not 46 and 51? Or different ratings where you are?
What about at the wheel z650 could be 54hp @ the wheel. Maybe there both restricted and there is some power to weight limit at play as the Z is heavier it would be aloud a little more power and still be the same power/weight as the mt-07
I'm about 180cm, so in that region and found either suitable, but the MT-07 does feel a little bit more relaxed and open, where the Z650 is more compact and feels a little bit sportier for that overall ergo.
Yep definitely. 650 is going to be a bigger challenge getting started, so less forgiving and easier to get into trouble with the extra power. A little more forgiving if you get restricted versions, but still more challenging.
@@sander16v11 We get 'LAMS' versions here in Australia which for most of the 650s means power is about 50 hp, how it's worked out is more complicated but it's fairly similar to A2 motorcycles in Europe with a 35 kW limit. Obviously that has no impact on the weight of the bigger bike, etc.
@@sander16v11 Yep that's the full power version. We can get the Ninja 650 in the 67 hp version (or the 35kW like this one) but the Z650 only comes in restricted power for now.
Being Kawasaki and Yamaha you're looking at two of the most reliable brands overall, but it's worth checking the specific model forums for long term issues people face and trying to gauge just how common they are, considering how many have been sold vs the number of complaints, or against recalls.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks my friend. Mt07 has rust problems even if you take care of the body and i'm in Canada i don't know if it's the best idea but it is a great bike.
@@MonsieurMotocyclette I've seen some people making an enormous fuss about rust issues, but I've seen many more people telling them they just need to ride more. Especially considering some very few people have big issues on heavily salted roads, while other people are talking about tiny dots of rust which should be covered by proper maintenance, which get conflated to be the same. Seems like a bit of a sky is falling issue when I've looked into it. But people have to make their own mind up, you look at most models and there's doomsayers saying fairly minor issues are the end of the world. It's the nature of the internet.
Please just Refer to these bikes as just Bloody good Bikes Not just for Beginners How fast can you go on a Naked Bike for any Distance anyway I have had larger Bikes , they don't offer that much Advantage Drink more Fuel , more Expensive to Run..& Easy to lose your Licence on I came Back down Got a Z 650cc & love it so much Fun to Ride
I don't think I ever said these are just for beginners. They're ideal for more experienced riders too, but being beginner friendly gets talked about a lot because so many new and prospective riders are interested in them, and they generally need the most guidance, compared to more experienced riders.
Sorry Chris that was a bit of a rant...But I have had so Many remarks about why am I Riding a Starter Bike It was your video comparison Z650 V Mt07 That persuaded me to get the Kawasaki
@@jefflambert8603 All good, I know what you mean. Currently we've just got a WR250R and Ninja 400 in the garage because I like the smaller bikes so much. I'm thinking of adding something smaller like a 150-200 cc to see how it compares to those options as far as viability too this year. It's crazy to think a 'mid-capacity' bike is now often 900 cc.
Cheers Chris ..& Fuel is getting so Expensive in UK 0ver £1.50 .a litre Thats where these Bikes are really Good ...you don't have to have a 125cc to get good MPG /MPL
Honestly the MT-07 feels faster because of the grunty engine character, where the Z650 is a lot smoother, I don't know whether that actually is relevant to real world speed though.
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you , I'm 180cm too, riding a small Yamaha ys125 :), feel ok on it, learned on MT07 and it wasn't too bad either. Is the Kawasaki z650 seating position much different ? I'M looking for something a bit smoother to ride than MT07 :) ?
@@PaulRetrofits They are fairly similar, the MT-07 felt a bit roomier to me. I'd say the Z650 wins on engine smoothness, the MT-07 being a 270-degree crank has a bit more character and is a little rougher around the edges at the expense of smoothness. The Z650 also has a more premium suspension setup, which is also smoother on the good roads, but not as forgiving when things get rough.
650s are generally considered the top end of the beginner segment in places like Australia and America, restricted versions like A2/LAMS are pretty undeniably beginner-centric. There's some decent reasons to pick a 650, and some poor reasons, like ego, with lots of nuance in between.
These motorcycles are not good beginner bikes. Beginner bikes should be below 400 cc like Kawasaki Ninja 400 or Z400, Yamaha R3 or MT03, Honda Rebel 300 or CBR300
In many markets you can get these restricted to 35kW making them a great alternative. Normally I'd recommend starting on a 250-400 cc, as I think it's more forgiving and you learn more, but some people want something bigger.
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Test rode both, bought the Kawasaki. The main reasons were: the Z was a better physical fit, the seat was more comfortable and most importantly the engine power is spread right across the rev range. At the top end the Kawasaki still feels strong, whereas the Yamaha's a bit breathless. Can't go wrong with either but the Z's a more rounded bike in my view.
I have a 2017 FZ-07, My Pop's rides a 2017 Z-650 , love both bikes, wouldn't be able to choose between the two if I had to.
@No_Name Oh man! lol that would be a rough ride for a passenger. The FZ-07 has more butt room than the Z-650. The FZ also in my opinion has better hand holds for the passenger, but both very uncomfortable for something that long, but were both kinda old so (I'm 50,Pop's is 76) so maybe with 2-3 stops it would okay. video: ruclips.net/video/MSDw5Yoarb4/видео.html
@No_Name she wont..
I considered the MT-07 and sat on it, but ultimately, I went with the 2020 Z650, which I just purchased last month. Thanks for comparing the two...great video and very informative.
Nice stuff, how are you finding your Z650 with more time riding? Any mods or accessories planned yet?
@@MotoJournoKris I have added a radiator guard and tank guard and that's been it so far. Been difficult finding frame sliders, they are always out of stock..I like my bike a lot, very smooth but not been able to break it in as fast as I wanted to, either been raining a lot or almost 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
nice, you can't go wrong with any of the japanese naked bikes i have MT-07 2019 and I love it, they have been refining and upgrading them for many years so they are all solid
Mr Kris. Please don't be afraid to "jump" between pictures to show the bike you're currently talking about. I got a little lost in the first minute when you talked about one bike, but showed the other. If you were to jump between bikes (and show examples of the mods/features you are mentioning) I would subscribe. :P Ehh, prolly will anyway.
Yea sorry about that, at time's it's a struggle to ensure the images reflect exactly what I'm talking about, without switching them every three seconds. Will definitely take note to try and make it a better in future though, appreciate the feedback!
Beginner bikes? Each of these bikes have as much horsepower as my first three bikes combined.
same
Yeah tbf i think its a bit too much for a complete beginner, I ride a cbf125 and obviously its bc i have an A1 license here in Holland. My A2 bike will be the mt07 35kw so the mt07 full power will be my "3rd" bike. 75 bhp is brutal on the road especially for a complete beginner.
@@motormullie3404 tbf it honestly also completely depends on the body size and confidence of the rider. You can be a complete noob and be confident (with care) and trust yourself on a 650 parallel twin. They have pretty linear power unlike 4pots which just roar as soon as you let the revs get up to speed. On top of all that, if you are a bigger person, I'd rather get something that would carry my weight. I had been riding on a Ninja 300 the past half year or so and I am only 60-65kg, and the power is already boring me. Just be confident while still having a brain.
Was that like 40 years ago lol
I got the 2021 mt 07 as my first bike a month ago and I say it's a good first bike. Not so powerful that it's scarey or that it will get away from you. Still powerful enough that I feel like i will be happy with it for a couple years. I love the weight and the maneuverability of this bike. I have never rode any other bike though so this is just my opinion.
I have an Fz-07. When I bought it nearly 4 years ago, I preferred its styling to the Z650. But ever since the Z got updated with the dual headlight, I just think it looks so incredibly badass that I'm thinking of switching.
They did a great job updating the Z650, it looks a lot better with the new headlight and the fully blacked out engine, the earlier versions with the silver engines and the older style headlights didn't have quite the same streetfighter feel to the style.
@@MotoJournoKris what year is it updated?
@@darthkarroto2183 2020 was that update.
I'm the opposite hey. I like the z650s from 2020 and under since they had more of that classic style headlight
The beginner msf courses here use 125s. You can buy them used, ride them for a year, drop them frequently, and then sell them for what you paid.
Great balanced review.. Even though I’m not a fan of the looks of these Street fighters, Z’s looks are slightly more appealing to me, so given a choice I’ll pick Z.
I’ve been riding a 2018 MT-07 lams since late 2018 since they are available in NZ and Australia and I have throughly enjoyed riding it since it is light, agile and it has a good amount of torque for responding to the throttle while riding
They are a great machine, even with a full license and years riding, it's still a bike that really impresses.
Nice objective review Kris. For me, it’s the MT07 every day. I love the more classic style and the sound of the cross plane motor is right up there for me. I’m also a fan of light weight, as I believe it’s always easier to set up the handling on a lighter bike. Great work Kris!
@No_Name the 2020 MT07 is pretty light; at 182kg it’s one of the lighter bikes around.
Or you could go 'real' classic styling (you said you like classic styling) and a real v-twin throb instead of a 270 crank parallel twin and go the SV650! ;-) ;-)
(Yes, I know the SV is heavier, this is more a bit of banter. Although the Suzuki 645cc V-Twin is a very characterful engine with a reliability reputation many bikes could only dream of)
@@devilsadvocate2548very boring bike sv650
@Jaapst and you're completely entitled to that opinion. There are many people out there that like it too. I also see you must have missed the bit where I said it was a bit of banter.
Z650: better tech, more sophisticated, sharp looks
MT-07: engine, sound of thunder and war
Why can't I put these two together... 😪
That seems to be a lot of people's dream combination and I can see why!
If yamaha updates the mt07 we could see something like that
But it as been 6 years since an update.... :(
@@danielferreira5804 The screen is so behind as far as tech.
I had the MT07. LOVED the power, but it was top heavy. Felt like riding the top of a car. The seating position and compact design of the Z650 is much better for a smaller guy like me.
Yep that Z650 you really feel the compact ergonomics on. It's amazing the difference the weight distribution and CoG can make between bikes.
Its funny because for me it was the exac opposite ahah ! Didnt like the feeling when I was seating, it would hurt me in between the middle thights !!
@@Andreadexxo Fit on the bike is such a personal thing, sometimes the contours of the seat or bodywork can be great for one rider, but terrible for others.
@@Andreadexxo I guess bikes are like shoes- they all fit differently ✌🏻😁
What size and weight are you?
This comparison vid from Australia may be the best comparo vid. He discuss from how they look to how it runs 😀 to the bits it of was made! Best.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Great review and comparison as always. The Zed has my vote as much as the MT is a good motorcycle.
I’ve ridden both, and I don’t know how you can say you prefer both the same. The Z650 was as exciting as vanilla pudding, while the MT07 feels like flying a fighter jet. WAAAAAAY more peppy engine.
Some people greatly prefer inline fours, others would only buy V-twins, which is mainly personal preference. But the MT-07 does have a very characterful engine.
In a battle of big bikes between the two I would prefer to ride a KAWASAKI Z650 than a Yamaha MT-07.
Own a 2007 sv650 but never ridden yet this 2 bikes. The z650 looks stunning and with more aparent quality than the mt07. The mt07 is supposed to be slightly faster and nervous. I would still choose the z650 if sv650 was not an option. Incredible bikes for road use, commute and ocasional weekend fun rides.
Fz/mt07 all day. Sound etc better in my opinion . I live in murica so its not restricted ;)
Of course its sound better but for everything else the z650 is the choice.
I love the raw nature of MT07 but its suspension and brakes are just to meh to overlook especially since the cost the same
@@shuttzi9878 I have an Fz07 and have never had any issues with my suspension or braking. Get familiar with your bike and practice emergency braking. You don't just brake lol there is technique to braking etc. I will admit the rear brake pedal feels a bit soft to touch but that is an easy fix. All bikes are different. In terms of personality and aggressiveness fz07/mt07 wins. The street isnt a race track so idk wtf ish you trying to do to cause the suspension to not be adequate enough or brakes
@@BobbyDully__P Quite a few reviewers criticize the MT07 on its mushy suspension.
I own the fz07 for 3 years now....when people say "the suspension is to soft" just blows my mind away. I live in the states (colorado) to be exact; and I've hit twisties here in the rockies and this bike will handle flawlessly no problem. I love the 07 because it can get you in and out of situations whether that's city or twisties. Dont let these comparisons make your decision...only you can keep the rubber side up! Throttle happy can get you in trouble if not careful with any bike. Anything 600cc and up has more then enough "grunt".
I’m one of those people lol. I don’t know man, I’ve been riding sport bikes for 15 years. Been doing some cruiser riding the past few years as well. I work on motorcycles for a living so I get the opportunity to ride a wide variety of bikes. We took an FZ07 on trade a few weeks back and I got to ride it. I absolutely loved it lol. It’s such a light weight, fun to ride bike. I actually really enjoyed it. With that being said, the suspension felt really soft to me. I’m sure the bike is set up from the factory for a rider 140-160 pounds?? I would guess it’s somewhere in there. I’m 195-200 pounds. Depends on the day... I’m not sure what you weigh but I’m gonna assume that the people that think it’s too soft, are probably too heavy for the stock suspension. I don’t know. I could be way off. Just my theory. I would at some point like to add one of those bikes to my stable. It’s an AWESOME bike!! Get tons of smiles per gallon.
I agree...mt is not R bike.
I love the white green Kawasaki color
Didn't know you could relocate the blinkers to the main body. I'll have to look into the pros and cons of it.
Nice vid.
MT07 engine sound is just unbeatable
Yep it's a standout in the class!
Very good comparison, lots of information and staying neutral
Cheers!
I bought a z650 due to enjoying it on test ride but mt07 is deffo better bike but pretty common. My friends most have mt on group rides and it gets a bit boring seeing so many lol
Yep, there's something to be said for going with something a bit different!
Owning ninja 1000, buy my previous was an 2018 FZ 07. Before to buy it, i tast rod also z650, which in my taste was boring (engine), so I ended up going with FZ 07 (MT 07). It is very funny bike, a lot of pleasure in the city and twisti's, great torque on any gears at low rpm's
Still I would like to have it as a second bike
The MT-07 is definitely worthy of being a second machine, even if you've got something larger and more powerful!
What's the reasoning behind the restrictions on the Mt07? The standard 689cc is a monster, I have tested it and it's ready to ambush on the road, picks up speed like crazy and forces you to to do silly overtakes 😁. I have to admit the Z650 looks a lot better in any angle, I will have to try one out to compare the bikes. I am actually considering upgrading my Cb500f any time now. Thank you for this video mate 👍👍👍
Just the Aussie new rider restrictions, similar to the A2 system in Europe, but also with an overall capacity (and power to weight ratio) limit, with the limit being 660cc. Even cruisers well below the power to weight ratio don't meet LAMS requirements for that reason. It was a big step forward back when they launched as far as restricted models, as it didn't have a throttle stop that only let you open the throttle a quarter turn and barely felt restricted at all. Especially compared to something like the FZ6R which proceeded it (in restricted form).
Had an MT - suspension is a worry when entering corners
Looking at Z650 for next bike. Also MT is twitchy and not always comfortable. Just my opinion having owned MT07, R3 and rode the MT09 yesterday for quite a while.
i owned z650, my height is just 5'3" so just perfect for me.
i have been undecided on which one should i buy this is only my pros and con z650:kawasaki pros: style/looks, awesome headlight(2020)model, slipper clutch, perfect beginner bike cons:slow lacks power mt-07:yamaha pros:little bit faster than z650, definitely a master of torque cons:not a fan of headlight, not a beginner bike
The challenge is always weighing them up and deciding what is most important to you. I think most riders would be very happy whichever way they chose.
good vid mate i would like to know your thoughts on the cb650r lams cheers!
Really Awesome video!
I'm a new rider and really appreciate these comparisons and you did a great job! I just ordered an MT-03 to learn on this year and maybe next with the idea of upgrading to the Z650 or the (new in 2021) Mt-07.
Something about the Kawasaki is that I like the add on cowl a lot. I think it makes the bike look more complete vs not having it. Much better with than without. Curious as to what the styling will be on the updated MT-07. I love the look of the new 03. Hoping it's in the same realm.
Starting on an MT-03 is a great idea, and they look insanely cool with the latest update. I am interested to see what Yamaha do with the MT-07 when it gets the next update, and whether it'll go more futuristic, and follow the MT-10 styling, or whether they'll try and keep it a bit more restrained.
Moto Journo Kris hopefully they do update the headlight assembly to properly fit in with the 03, 09 and 10!
My friend better cancel the mt03.
@@manosmanos4663 why? its a fine motorcycle.whats wrong with it?
Good idea. These aren't really beginner bikes like the author calls them. A larger, intelligent rider, maybe, but not ideal. They also have way more HP than he says.
I'm thinking of getting an mt07 for a second bike limited to 35kW it will be an upgrade from my mt125 for sure (im from europe)
That would be a great upgrade, the MT-07s even restricted offer a lot of performance, and a beautiful engine character, you'll love it.
Suzuki sv650 any day.. Classic beautiful look
vagelis koios and half the price..
@@mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310 Half the price against which bike?
Great video I have just picked up a MT 07 LAMS 2020 1 owner from new.
Very nice! How are you finding the bike so far? Any mods done yet or already planned?
Planning to fit a aftermarket exhaust, a tail tidy and passenger peg delete. I hope to take it out this weekend.
@@WestOzMT Awesome, you going to go with one of the aftermarket options for exhaust through Yamaha, or looking further afield? They definitely sound better (than stock) with the Akro.
@@MotoJournoKris I'm not to sure exhaust systems seem to pretty pricey. I have seen a few videos of people fitting full systems from Amazon and Ali express costing a few hundred.
@@WestOzMT Yep that's an option, just have to worry about they fit, long term quality, etc. If I was keeping the bike long term I'd probably invest in a decent exhaust. Can mess around with something cheaper if that's not the case and see how it goes.
I'll take MTO 7
I love the MT07 look
The MT-07 is a great looking machine!
Sorry, to me the MT07 looks like a bunch of parts thrown in a pile. I like the looks of the Z's swingarm and the overall styling seems to flow better (including the side of the engine). Another great and thoughtful review, Kris.
@@dougfielding8215 are you talking about the crashpads on the side? Lmao
Learner machine an mt07?
You are the first and only person to not complain about mt 07 brakes
I wouldn't have said they stand out as bad. The SV650 brakes before they were upgraded were much easier to criticise there, and I reckon the forks would have needed a decent recalibration to handle much stronger brakes on that bike. It's no Brembo setup, but it's not priced like one either, overall.
Rokbagoros for those who want to see some motorcycle techniques. I loved the video but we want a race
Also these are not recommended for beginners. Get ya self a 250-300cc my first was a KTM duke 390 play it safe.
Great advice!
In Italy the MT07 sells more but both are in the top 30 since 2020, maybe even before, but I wouldn't consider a bike before 2020. I prefere the Z.
They are both really solid choices, I think there's a fair bit of subjectivity between the two, as to what each rider prefers.
As far as I'm concerned you can't really judge a bike by what it has so much as by what it delivers and the Yamaha delivers more smiles per mile that the Kawi. It's all about that awesome engine, baby!
Handling on z650 is WAAY better than the mt07 and also it the z is more comfortable but mt07 sounds better
Hi, I have a 2019 Z400 and I'm thinking about upgrading to the 2020 Z650. I have handlebar risers on my Z400, but looking at the 2020 with that TFT right over the handlebars, is that possible? Also, I have the Kawi OEM longer windscreen on the Z400 (it does make a difference at highway speeds), I have not seen a long windscreen for the 2020 Z650 on the Kawi website. Hmmm...
It does look a bit limited at the moment on that front, especially the 'bar risers with that TFT display placement. I'm sure it's possible, but just how difficult is... is another thing entirely!
Hi did you do it eventually? If yes, is there much difference?
@@thomas15-12 I traded in the Z400 for the 2020 Ninja 650. Believe it or not I am quite comfortable with the Ninja's stock handlebars. Besides that, I like the fact I don't need to rev the engine to get moving from red lights and stop signs. And less shifting of gears as well.
Good compareson. Bike for begenner. Ride safe.
A great comparison between two Naked 👍👏💪⚡
Tough choice. I am in the returning rider category. Wish I could demo both.
Hard to beat going for a test ride when it comes to getting a decent feel for the bikes. Just sitting on them instore isn't bad for ergos, but a ride gives you a better idea about engine character, suspension, etc.
@@MotoJournoKris Problem is in Houston test rides on Japanese bikes are not available. I can’t test ride them. Hence I don’t know what to get. Feel stuck, frustrated. I can only test ride Harley and BMW. What would you do if in my predicament? They expect one to spend all that money with no test ride. P.S. I think one of the BMW dealers will allow a test ride on Triumph also. Again so no test ride on a Japanese bikes!
@@dry509 Yea that's tough, seems crazy that's the case. Any chance of finding them second hand somewhere to test ride, do they allow that or is it just a blanket rule even for second hand bikes? Both are great machines so I don't think you can really go wrong. Each have some advantages, and certainly different characters.
Maybe Twisted Road might be an option? I've heard people mention hiring a bike from them.
@@MotoJournoKris Thanks. I found riders share but not cheap.
Great review Kris! I know you own the MT. However, stock vs stock which would you pick as your own bike?
I actually just had the MT as a tester for about four months as a long term review thanks to Yamaha, so sadly not a real owner, but I did get the owner's experience having the bike for that long. A few people have asked me that though, and I reckon it would be such a hard choice, it would probably come down to which I could get the better deal on when it came to shopping for them. That way I'd have some money left over for a few tasty mods, maybe some rider training or new gear, as I think I'd be 100% happy with either. That or upgrade my wife's Ninja 400 and get both!
Moto Journo Kris thank you! 👍😎
So what is the difference between ninja 650 and Z650 apart from their appearance? Seating position, performance?
Seating position, and the geometry is slightly different, so they do feel quite different ridden back to back.
@@MotoJournoKris which one do you think is more upright?
hello, i'm from portugal, i have the mt 07 full, 75cv,.. and i've never ridden with the z650,.. which is also a good bike, but i think it's very compact, small, as well as the new trident 660 also very compact, ..but, anyway, the 07 is also small and narrow but not so much ,.., well, according to other people who have already driven both will tell me that it had nothing to do with it, in terms of emotion,.. power,.. being the mt 07 is clearly better and tastier, fun to ride,...although I even think the z650 is more complete and refined, but overall and in what it feels like,..I prefer the mt 07,..even because of the sound, crossplane , very different ,..for the better ,..but both bikes are very good ,.., from the z family, my favorite is the z 900,.. a work of art ,..very good same
That's a good way of looking at it and aligns with my thoughts. The MT-07 has that bit more character, which can be a big advantage if you really dig it. The Z has some very nice advantages in some of the details in comparison.
Are there full powered z650s available in Australia?
Not as far as I'm aware, there is a 2021 Ninja 650 which is the full power version though.
whats the price difference in the two bikes...?
It'll depend where you are, but Australian RRPs are currently: $12,749 ride-away for the MT-07 and $12,208 ride-away for the Z650, both 2022 models (so the newer MT-07 style). That's an RRP for the Z650 specific for Sydney too, it may vary by location, where the MT-07 price is the general Australian pricing.
Hi Mate, good review comparison, question , where did you film this review , I feel like I have possibly ridden on some of those roads when I lived in Aussie.
A lot of this is near Pie in the Sky and Kangaroo Point, along the Old Pacific Highway, north of Sydney.
@@MotoJournoKris , cheers for replying mate ,that was my playground growing up in Berowra Heights , that old Highway was a fun ride , the Berowra waters to Galston gorge then home thru Hornsby heights and back of Asquith was my favourite ride
@@matthewblackwell1194 They are such fun roads through there, especially both sides of the ferry. Galston Gorge is a bit of a game of chance, so many people use it who shouldn't be trusted with a wheelbarrow let alone a car, a clear run is nice, but it can be a real nightmare too, I've gone through a few times on a bike and someone in a long vehicle has been stuck at a hairpin so no one can get through (except bikes).
Im getting my A2 license soon and I cant decide between these two (both 2017 models). Anyone know which one to get and why? xD
Definitely see if you can manage a test ride, they have very different feels and personalities, you may find one just clicks with your riding style.
Top video mate.
I thought they both have around 72hp and about 66nm so why did you quote 50 plus hp?
If you buy the LAMS version in Australia it's limited to 50, as it's the beginner version.
Love your review, really well done , could you do a review on the Honda cb500f
Working on getting my hands on one again!
@@MotoJournoKris awesome , will it be a VS video?
Want a beginner bike,get a bicycle! Jez!
When will be reveal of 2021 Yamaha suzuki kawasaki motorcycles???
I am getting for ready to buy new one and ride it for 4+ years.
Usually the bigger annoucements for next year bikes are shown in EICMA Show in Italy. That's where most brands showcase their upcoming bikes. So stay tuned for this years EICMA (it's scheduled to happen from 3rd to the 8th of November) to see whats coming in 2021
I hope the mt7 gets a redesign look
@@the.communist i am putting of buying a new bike until i see 2021 models. Got my self 250cc scooter that will do for this year. ^_^ cant wait. Z650 needs love 2, SV650 radiator....plain and simple ugly af.
Yes Yamaha✔️✔️✔️✔️
Nice review, would like to hear your thoughts on the SV650 and the CB650.
I'll have to see what I can line up this year!
The SV 650 is a bike I'm interested in. I'm around the same height as you but 90 kg. I'm sure they are all good and ai guess it comes down to what sort of engine configuration your after and budget. Don't want to regret buying one when I should bought the other. Thanks for replying.
@@gavinr1834 The SV stands out for being a V-twin, and is arguably best value in the category, I don't really think there's a wrong choice. I'd say most riders who end up wanting to upgrade from this class of bike, would regardless of which they picked. But personal fit on the bike definitely comes into it too.
id take the kawasaki anyday. just seems a lot more mature.
Wouldnt call it mature, just prettier
I guess it’s Golden Girls vs Breaking Bad. I know which I prefer.
Looking at a 2022 z650L as my first bike I'm about 185 cm tall a about 98kgs.
They're a very cool machine, have you had a chance to sit on one and see how the fit is?
Which would be a better fit for a taller rider with long legs (6'5"/195cm)?
I felt like the MT-07 was slightly more roomy of the two.
I am 6'4" and I went on my buddys honda cb650r it is perfect for taller people
Which one is better for 5’11 riders
It's really worth sitting on both and seeing if one feels better or more natural. The seat heights should be ideal for most riders of that height, then it's just the smaller differences where you may see some preference.
Doesn't the MT have 75bhp??
I ve heard it have 70 hp
Review the 2021 mv agusta brutale and the dragster
I'll see what I can do! It's been a while since I've tested the MVs.
Any plans on a review of the 2020 Ninja 650 Kris?
If I can get my hands on one!
Well done video......
Thanks for watching!
what bike do you think is more comfortable to use for a few hours around town and small tripps for a rider with 75kg and 6ft 2 (185cm) tall ? Also a total noob(I haven't even rode a bike since I got my A licence a few years ago) ! :)) Thanks!
They are quite a good match generally speaking, but the MT-07 did feel a bit larger and roomier to me, where the Z650 feels very compact and streetfighter themed in comparison, which is a bit of a personal preference as to which riders like. At your height the seat height should be fine on either. I wouldn't hesitate to spend a few hours on either bike, although the comfort seat on the Yamaha did help in that area. It'd be worth sitting on each and seeing if one feels more natural for you.
Sir good day I'm planning to get one of them but can you please give us feed back especially it comes to fuel efficiency for daily use.thanks
I had the MT-07 for a number of months for testing, and was getting about 4.5-5L per 100km, while testing the Z650 for the day it was similar, for spirited riding, so I would have said they are fairly similar in that regard.
Thank you sir. Appreciate much
Not paralel twin but they are in line twin. There is a difference😁
270-degree crank in-line twins are commonly referred to as parallel twins. It depends how much of a purist you are I guess.
MT-07 which is popping power wheelies like there's now tomorrow if you're not careful with the throttle, is great newbie bike? Am I missing something?
If you're trying to wheelie, you'll wheelie. You can loop a CB250 but they were still the bike of choice when I did my pre-licence course. A little common sense and you'll have no issues with the MT-07. If you lack throttle control to such an extent you can't help but wheelie everywhere on an MT-07, you'll be dangerous on a bicycle and should stick to starting on a 50cc.
@@MotoJournoKris wheelies is one thing, I mentioned them because they tell about bike's power.
What really concerns me, is loosing rear or getting high side in the turn, because newbie might not be able to control that power
@@grumpy_cat1337 thank you for mentioning this it was a concern of mine. How do you stop the front from coming up leaning forward over it?
@@joebotz1243 Yeah, you can try leaning forward, if it doesn't help - be less aggressive with the throttle
Great review Kris! Subbed. I'll be getting my L in Jan 2021... Hopefully 🤞. My options are Ninja400/MT-07. Personally don't like the look of kawasaki naked ones for LAMS. As I am older than 25 I can get unrestricted in 15months. Is it tough to maintain 2 bikes? I am thinking MT07 for now and get zx-10r when I get the unrestricted license. Yamaha for daily commute and 10r for weekend rides. And I would certainly buy the 2019/2020 zx10r and not the 2021.
What do you reckon?
Both are great machines, but if you're thinking about picking up a ZX-10R on your fulls, the MT-07 might be a fun option so you've got two different style bikes in the garage. If you wanted a smaller capacity machine that could be turned into a track bike that you wouldn't mind binning as much, the Ninja 400 might be a better option there. Either are ideal for commuting. It might be worth checking out if there's a big difference if you're going for full comprehensive insurance between the two and want to keep that cost down with owning another bike in mind.
The second bike will obviously cost you a bit more, however you're keeping commuting mileage off the ZX-10R, not wasting your tyres on all that day to day stuff, and that'll help resale.
Good luck getting your Ls!!!
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you so much Kris for taking time and replying to my questions and for the tips!
Obviously I will have to test ride the LAMS bikes before deciding on one but I do have few concerns about them.
MT-07 - This one seemed perfect for my height but I hear they have swingarm corrosion issues, brakes lacking bite, clutch plate breaking, clunky gear shifts and front shocks being too soft putting the bike out of balance during high speed braking. Have you come across these as common issues ?
Ninja400 - Haven't heard of any common issues with it, but personally for me as I am 6foot tall, the bike looks a bit low.
Triumph Trident - Any thoughts about this one? I know it's too early to say, not sure if we have one in Australia yet, but seems to be a good contender for the MT-07. I also have an eye on the Street triple LAMS and was wondering about the maintenance costs with triumph bikes, I hear they are quite expensive in comparison.
Thanks!
@@MisterG7 Happy to be of help! I think some of the complaints around the MT-07 stem from people expecting the kind of suspension/brakes you'd get on a $20k sportsbike, on something half the price, or taking one to the track with similar expectations. That could be partially because the engine is so good, people really use them to the limit. There's room for improvement because they are built to the budget, but that's true of every bike.
I'm about 70kg plus gear, so I'm probably lucky in that I'm in the right region for the stock suspension, but I've always found it good, well past anything legal. But it's not like my Daytona with Ohlins, where it actually gets better the faster you ride. It's just a solid, all-round system designed to work for a very wide variety of riders. Some Yamaha models do have a clunkier gear shift, but that's just a characteristic, not a problem if you ask me.
More specific issues, like with corrosion, the clutch, etc, it's always difficult to say. I haven't heard about them enough, even searching online, to think they are widespread, when you consider there's tens of thousands of these bikes around the world. Some spots of rust along the welds on the swingarm is something some people report, but easily fixed as well. Plus you never know if it's something caused by the rider, how/where they ride, their maintenance to the bike, etc, etc. There's some terrible advice out there on the net, and there's some great advice that can be equally catastrophic when done wrong, or by someone without the right skills, or attention to detail.
Size could be an issue on the Ninja 400, although it is a fair bit roomier than the Z400 for comparison. The ZX-10R will probably feel more compact than the Ninja 400 though!
I think the Trident is going to be very interesting, offering some stiff competition to the MT-07, especially depending on the new MT-07s price. Triumph were boasting very low servicing time/costs as well compared to most of the competition, so hourly rates being similar, it shouldn't be a big difference, or could even be better based on their claims. Hoping to get a chance to test the Trident in the new year!
If you could get a Street Triple 660, that'd be a good option too, with a bump in specs over the Trident.
@@MotoJournoKris Thanks again Kris! Highly appreciate you taking time and patiently answering all the questions and concerns I had asked. You are right, if people are buying the MT-07 without thinking twice then it must be a good all rounder for sure, especially for people who can't upgrade for 3-4 years. Plus it has room for mods.
Triumph Trident seems VFM when compared to the MT-07. I will have to ride them first and then decide what would be good on a longer run.
Will wait for your review on the Trident as well!
Cheers.
Wishing you and your loved ones a very Happy 2021!
@@MisterG7 Thanks and happy new year to you too!
u should've added the sv650... i don't know if that's a good match, but I'd quite like to know how the sv650 matches up with these two bikes...
Yep the SV650 would be a great comparison point too, lining up more than two bikes for comparison gets very challenging though!
*плиз, нужна помощь ((3 сезона катаю на 200 кубовом китайчике, хочу сменить кубатуру, выбор пал на хонду хорнет 250, звук бомба, едет хорошо, и ямаха мт07, не тяжелый(то что и нужно мне), красивый,короч влюбился в эти 2, что подскажешь брать?*
I'd probably recommend the MT-07 if you've spent that long on a 200 cc, you'll appreciate the extra power and they are a great fun machine. The Honda Hornet 250 is a much smaller upgrade in my opinion.
@@MotoJournoKris ок
The Mt 07 Ho all day
Must be Australia.Cause your riding on the left side of the road.In California,U.S.A we drive on the right side of the road.I'd take the Yamaha MT07.Yamaha's are bullet proof.My last motorcycle was a *09 Yamaha FZ6.Rode it everywhere.Now I'm looking to buy a new motorcycle.If I can swing it.I want the MT09.I need that torque!Time to feed the cat.And watch reruns of M*A*S*H on MeTV.
Yep, I'm in Sydney. I had an 08 FZ6N for a few years, was a great bike, till someone reversed over it! The MT-09 is wicked if you're after more power, the triple is really something else.
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Where is the road you were riding the bikes?
There are generally roads north of Sydney from Cowan up past Kulnura.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks mate Iive in the campbelltown area and most times i ride with my mate to stanwell top
Which handles better, is more nimble...which one does tight u turns better?
I thought the Z650 was a little faster turning/more nimble, but there wasn't much in it. Both are easy to U-turn on, but I probably didn't do enough on either to say whether one had a significantly tighter turning circle, or made U-turns feel easier or more confidence inspiring. With the upright seating positions they are easy to handle for that kind of manoeuver though.
Moto Journo Kris Thank you for your response.
If you like electronic stuff get the z650 mt 07 is pure motorcycle you get one power mode the twist grip lol plus mt is great for wheelies and awesome sound with akrapovic exaust
Hi I am only 5'5, but I like the MT-07, is this bike too tall to me?
It's really worth checking one out in person, you probably won't be getting both feet flat, but you might still find it manageable, getting one foot down. Whether you've got long legs in proportion to your height can also play a large part.
@@MotoJournoKris Thanks
Me too 5’4 small and I did my exam on Mt07 and I liked it more better than Kawasaki Er6n. Yes, I was like a little balerina but anyway.. I pass my exam very well and I had big smile on my face when I saw that my exam bike is Yamaha MT07 because I love that bike, it’s for me like very good shoes ;)
@@chirkassify Absolutely, always go with the bike that feels right for you, great to hear you had a great experience doing your exam and passed!
@@MotoJournoKris oh, at exam when I saw 5 boys taking bikes and than was my turn and there was only MT07 left.. I smiled like a sunshine my niciest and earlier motoriding ever at 8 o’clock AM :D One day at motoschool I was together in duet driving in the city with one guy, after driving I was soooo high because I wasn’t slow and I all the time was near that guy, it was challenging, and after that driving I asked my instructor ‘today, that was small one?’ (I meant motorcycle) Guy started laugh and my instructor, women, started smile.. and said, no, it was big one, is it small for you, you wanna bigger? :D It was yamaha, I saw that, and after that I saw.. oh, it was MT07 :D
How bad is the gearbox on the mto7? Is it not smooth at all
I wouldn't have said bad. A little clunkier than some, in some situations, while in others you wouldn't notice it at all.
Better with ebc upgraded clutch just done mine stronger springs and plates made gearchange less clunky
Wish the z650 had the z1000 headlight!
That Z1000 headlight is particularly mean looking, they definitely toned down the Z styling on the 650, as the Z1000 and Z800 tended to polarise people on the looks.
Great review, I'm actually considering either one for my next bike. The horsepower figures you mentioned though, isn't it 75 for the mt and 70 for the z650? Not 46 and 51? Or different ratings where you are?
74,8 for the MT and 68 for the Z
What about at the wheel z650 could be 54hp @ the wheel. Maybe there both restricted and there is some power to weight limit at play as the Z is heavier it would be aloud a little more power and still be the same power/weight as the mt-07
Good man
Would either of these bikes be acceptable for a 6ft tall rider, you think?
I'm about 180cm, so in that region and found either suitable, but the MT-07 does feel a little bit more relaxed and open, where the Z650 is more compact and feels a little bit sportier for that overall ergo.
check out my channel, im 6'3 and i have the yamaha. Ride perfectly fine on it
I think a 250-400 are the true beginner bikes. 650 is pushing it for a new rider.
Yep definitely. 650 is going to be a bigger challenge getting started, so less forgiving and easier to get into trouble with the extra power. A little more forgiving if you get restricted versions, but still more challenging.
@@MotoJournoKris what is the restricted version
@@sander16v11 We get 'LAMS' versions here in Australia which for most of the 650s means power is about 50 hp, how it's worked out is more complicated but it's fairly similar to A2 motorcycles in Europe with a 35 kW limit. Obviously that has no impact on the weight of the bigger bike, etc.
@@MotoJournoKris we get 68 horses in US I believe.
@@sander16v11 Yep that's the full power version. We can get the Ninja 650 in the 67 hp version (or the 35kW like this one) but the Z650 only comes in restricted power for now.
Which one is more durable
Being Kawasaki and Yamaha you're looking at two of the most reliable brands overall, but it's worth checking the specific model forums for long term issues people face and trying to gauge just how common they are, considering how many have been sold vs the number of complaints, or against recalls.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks my friend. Mt07 has rust problems even if you take care of the body and i'm in Canada i don't know if it's the best idea but it is a great bike.
@@MonsieurMotocyclette I've seen some people making an enormous fuss about rust issues, but I've seen many more people telling them they just need to ride more. Especially considering some very few people have big issues on heavily salted roads, while other people are talking about tiny dots of rust which should be covered by proper maintenance, which get conflated to be the same. Seems like a bit of a sky is falling issue when I've looked into it. But people have to make their own mind up, you look at most models and there's doomsayers saying fairly minor issues are the end of the world. It's the nature of the internet.
Is mt-07gas tank made of plastic?
It has a metal gas tank, however those panels you see are just plastic covers, unlike on the Z650, which is a traditional painted metal tank.
Please just Refer to these bikes
as just Bloody good Bikes
Not just for Beginners
How fast can you go on a Naked
Bike for any Distance anyway
I have had larger Bikes , they don't offer that much Advantage
Drink more Fuel , more Expensive to
Run..& Easy to lose your Licence on
I came Back down Got a Z 650cc
& love it so much Fun to Ride
I don't think I ever said these are just for beginners. They're ideal for more experienced riders too, but being beginner friendly gets talked about a lot because so many new and prospective riders are interested in them, and they generally need the most guidance, compared to more experienced riders.
Sorry Chris that was a bit of a rant...But I have had so
Many remarks about why am I Riding a Starter Bike
It was your video comparison Z650 V Mt07
That persuaded me to get the Kawasaki
@@jefflambert8603 All good, I know what you mean. Currently we've just got a WR250R and Ninja 400 in the garage because I like the smaller bikes so much. I'm thinking of adding something smaller like a 150-200 cc to see how it compares to those options as far as viability too this year. It's crazy to think a 'mid-capacity' bike is now often 900 cc.
Cheers Chris ..& Fuel is getting so
Expensive in UK 0ver £1.50 .a litre
Thats where these Bikes are really
Good ...you don't have to have a
125cc to get good MPG /MPL
@@jefflambert8603 Yep, it's been almost $2 a litre here for premium... I miss filling a 17 litre tank for under $20...
what do you mean 51 hp? isnt it like 75?
The LAMS versions are restricted, full power over 70.
Which one is faster
Honestly the MT-07 feels faster because of the grunty engine character, where the Z650 is a lot smoother, I don't know whether that actually is relevant to real world speed though.
Not really a beginner motercycle these make great second bikes tho
who the hell make a bike review without the bikes exhaust sound
if the Z has a 270 crank then I will want the Z. I don't know if it's just me that the sound of 180 degrees feels atrocious.
The 270s just have a little extra character to them, it does really stand out.
@@MotoJournoKris I agree. 180 just sound irritating to me, ahah
Conclusion: test ride both.
Always, if you can manage it.
how tall are you ?
I'm 180 cm.
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you , I'm 180cm too, riding a small Yamaha ys125 :), feel ok on it, learned on MT07 and it wasn't too bad either. Is the Kawasaki z650 seating position much different ? I'M looking for something a bit smoother to ride than MT07 :)
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@@PaulRetrofits They are fairly similar, the MT-07 felt a bit roomier to me. I'd say the Z650 wins on engine smoothness, the MT-07 being a 270-degree crank has a bit more character and is a little rougher around the edges at the expense of smoothness. The Z650 also has a more premium suspension setup, which is also smoother on the good roads, but not as forgiving when things get rough.
Funny seeing rookie motorcycle riders call these beginner bikes. These are not beginner bikes folks. Check your egos brothers
650s are generally considered the top end of the beginner segment in places like Australia and America, restricted versions like A2/LAMS are pretty undeniably beginner-centric. There's some decent reasons to pick a 650, and some poor reasons, like ego, with lots of nuance in between.
These motorcycles are not good beginner bikes. Beginner bikes should be below 400 cc like Kawasaki Ninja 400 or Z400, Yamaha R3 or MT03, Honda Rebel 300 or CBR300
In many markets you can get these restricted to 35kW making them a great alternative. Normally I'd recommend starting on a 250-400 cc, as I think it's more forgiving and you learn more, but some people want something bigger.
You Will need to make another vid, mt07 has been released New!
MT FAR BETTER
Why exactly?