About Ahl Al-Bayt In Quran & Hadith ! Shamsi & Pakistani Shia Visitor | Speakers Corner 2019
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Abu Bakr apologized to Ali for Saqeefa. And Ali accepted it and did not have anything against Abu Bakr.
Proof
@@Omarrah3214 The simple fact Ali RA gave bayah to Abu Bakr RA, Umar RA and Uthman RA disproves your entire belief.
@@user-vc8wi7ff1j i am sunni. Im a historian so i want historical proof
@@Omarrah3214 ok Guy so do you know who is the killer of Ali ?it was a Sunni or a shii khariji ?say the historical truth we are waiting …..when Ali ra decide to not fight to not make fitna who déclare Ali like enemy ?who ?who? So it’s sad to say but people who decide to support Ali at the first decide to kill him at the end …shame on them ….it was a lot of devils like when they decide to kill uthman ra ,telling oh look he live in a beautiful house with beautiful clothes blablabla so these people are just devils not believers ….they killed so many sohabas and killers of Hussein are criminals too …..it’s not the way of salam ,of Islam ,but you think you’re the good side but it was complex so stop all this things ….we are Sunni and we love Ali ra ,we love Hassan and Hussein and Fatima and Aïcha and all good persons all sohabas….we are not at the time of Ali we can’t change what happened…I can cry for Ali and Hussein because it’s our family ,do not make the mistake to think we are against them because of a political problem between them …could you imagine us insulting Ali?never never never but Shia insulting sohabas it’s a normal thing so judge who is in perdition and stop thinking Shia and specially iran are from a3l al bayt only because Hussein marry Shahr ….stop all that
@@Omarrah3214 where are you from
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Shias are misguided, may Allah guide them to the righteous path.
Rafidi are very stinky
@transporter255 haha, you are so funny, you/shias are clearly not following the Quran
@@user-gt5cz5gj4g You are? Action speaks louder than words
@@zemphz Fuck off
@@Taqi142 I am InsaAllah, and you will inshaAllah
Brother shamsi youre the best ❤,
Love & RESPECT from Pakistan. 💐
One guy came to me for discussion. He knew full karbala story, he knew about war safeen verses of hazrat Ali (R.A), Hadith about imam Hassan (R.A) and imam Hussain (R.A), all the controversial stories against sahaba, he was against hazrat Moawia( R.A) because he picked some Hadith from bukhari and sahih Muslim and he was telling stories the way he was there at that time. After listening him for an hour I asked him what is the second Surah of Quran ?
He replied, it’s irrelevant. I asked him again
His reply: he forgot
And after few minutes he said he don’t know.
I was shocked and speechless 🤐
If you notice mostly discussion includes google. We are talking about a religion that we can die upon but sadly we need to use google for help. Why not make it simple, take your time learn slow and be practical.
Your entire post does not make any sense because How can u judge entire Community on fate of Single guy? Secondly As u said there are narration in sunni books and even Bukhari or Muslim were not there but all are narration...
@@Taqi142 is there any surah in Quran to follow Ahlul bayt or any clear surah about 12 imams.
@@basitkhan25 are u a quranist?
@@basitkhan25 is there any clear verse to follow hadith yet we follow hadith? Is there any clear verse to pray 5 times a day? Is 5 mentioned in quran? Have you forgotten that you need both quran and hadiths to use for proof? Otherwhise you are according to your scholars a disbeliever.
Bro you should do research, saying RA on muwaiiyah
ya Ali CANNOT madad
shia is a different religion
there is Shirk in their religion
Zina(Mutah) is allowed in their religion
and Lying(Taqiyya) is allowed in shia religion
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Can you ask Bro Shamsi a question on my behalf?
I will try my best Akhee... what is the question?
Its not onky elahi Zaheer. Its Shaykh Allama ehsna alahi zaheer Rahimullah. Br Shamsi sometimes gets arrogant.
It's not obligatory to say it all
Don't say, "because why"... But say the reason is. ;P
Why are u going to Hadith to confirm the wives are Ahyl Al bait while the Allah swt in two verses clearly referred to ONLY the wives as Ahyl Al bait!! Don’t need no Hadith or imam or sheik to confirm it
Which verses?
In history the Prophet Muhammad PBUH only appointed one khalifa and that was Imam Ali end of.. believe it or reject the order of Prophet Muhammad PBUH
I’m a Shia and I believe that’s wrong, Ali accepted abu bakr, stop dividing the ummah according to these mushrik Iranian books. Anyone who curses those faithful believers who lived during the prophets time, jahanum awaits them
Where is ur evidence, prophet Muhammad pbuh appointed Abu bakr as his successor, look at Ali’s kids he named one of them Abu bakr
Mashallah
Very true
Pls help me....my criteria is Quran and karma...ans2q1= verse of ahlul bait = everything positive from the Quran @thakalain...qs2= yes wives are his family but al kisaa = specific...qs3= 12 imams and why don't you count all the 12 imams and stopped (get to yazid)= don't get the context of STRONG wrongly...qs4= sakifa= what criteria did Abubakar use? If Quran then remember saul was chosen by God and if you say election then what made dem not do a proper election if truly the wanted to correct the situation. And what do you call those that see it wrong and gave baya by force or willingly. Qs6= muhajirin and ansar is not about ahlul bait or sahaba..its general and we still apply credits from the known and unknown most pious people downwards..qs7= @hajj or after hajj is like telling God when is best to send a message and if you say also he will stop the people to say ali is a friend then wher s were those who had beef with ali so he can squash it?...lastly if you force someone to give baya which they don't like then its invalid=karma
Shiasm is nonsense
@@uthman2281 if you tell me what's nonsense then we can talk about it... but b4 we do you go and apply law of karma to anything about both parties then we can know what's nonsense or sensible
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It is foolish to believe in a teaching that is not based on the Qur'an.
@@uthman2281 which 1 pls
@@8heavyhchamp8
the whole core of Shiaism is not Islamic. The belief in infallible imams who have knowledge of the unseen is simply not found in the Qur'an. Shiasm means to elevate people to gods. Islam means putting one's will under the will of Allah.
Slam i have answer of Your question you said its all about the wife's of rasool (pbuh) no my brother if it is so why in that verse Allah used ضمیر المذکر he said عنکم if it was for wifes so Allah have to say that عنکن you know that my brother shamsi so why you dont accept that and always do wrong translation
Shamsi seems to be ignorant
Very arrogant in public speaking
Shias are very polite in debate
"sometimes in an argument you forget...." LOL the man forgot that the Prophet appointed him his successor ? Hahahahaha
Forgot a Hadith in hindsight
If you're blind do you think the same of the world? Ayat 'Al Mubahala', Ayat Tathir, Ayat al Wilayat, Ayat al Muadda, Surat Al Dahr, Surat Al Adiyat....... If we go the Ahadith your BHP will touch the ceiling ! Look what Shafa'i said about Imam Ali عليه الصلاة و السلام :
إذا في مَجلِس ذَكرُوا عَليّاً و سِبْطيهِ و فاطمةَ الزكيّه
فأجرى بَعضُهم ذكراً سواه فأيقن انّه لِسلَقْلَقيّه
إذا ذَكرُوا عليّاً أو بَنيه يتشاغل بالروايات العليّه
و قال تجاوزُوا يا قوم هذا فهذا من حديث الرافضيّه
بَرِئْتُ الى المهيمن من أُناس يَرَون الرفض حبّ الفاطميّه
عَلى آل الرسول صلاة رَبّي و لعنَتهُ لتلك الجاهليّه(1)
إنّي أُحبّ بني النبيّ المصطفى و أُعِدُّهُ مِنْ واجِباتِ فرائضي
اِنْ كانَ رَفضاً حبّ آل محمّد فليشهد الثَقلان إنّي رافضي
يصلّون على المختار من آل هاشم و يقتلُونَ ابنه انّ ذاكَ عَجيبُ
لئِن كان ذَنْبي حُبُّ آل محمّد فذلك ذَنبٌ لَستُ عنه أتوبُ
هُمْ شفعَائي يوم حشري و مَوقفي و حبّهم للشافعيّ بأيّ وجه ذنوبُ
قالوا تَرَفَّضْتَ قُلتُ كَلاّ ما الرَّفض ديني ولا اعتقادي
لكن تَولّيتُ غَير شكٍّ خيرَ إمام و خير هادي
إن كان الرفض حبّ آل محمّد فإنّني أرفَضُ العُبّادِ
يا أهل بيْت رسول اللّه حبّكمُوا فَرضٌ من اللّه في القرآن أنزَلَهُ
كفاكموا من عظيم القدر أنّكموا مَن لم يصلّي عليكم لا صلاة له
O people of the household of the Messenger of Allah, your love is obligatory from Allah in the Quran. It befits you this greatness for HE WHO DOESN'T PRAY UPON YOU, HIS PRAYER IS VOID !!!!
Shafai is calling Ali عليه الصلاة و السلام his imam & guide and you fools, where do you think you're going ?
ya Ali CANNOT madad
😂😂
Yaa Ali doesn't work for munafiqs
@@abbassayed4622 Ya Allah madad...Ya Allah Madad
Yaa Ali a.s madad,
@@abbassayed4622 Ya Allah madad
This guy has to stop promoting umawiyah and abbasiyah these were monarchies which is a haraam form of government we believe in shura likewise we don’t believe in the imamaat either
Shameful Shamsi
Only weakening the Muslims and causing splits within the Ummah.
He should listen and be open to other people's views and not be so blinkered.
😂😂😂😂😂man is a mad Shia
The qurqn says to leave a will, build a shrine of the good believers, scalds aisha directly and personally, indirectly claims Allah loves the ones who fight more than the ones who run away (uhud) lol . Why don't sunnies read the quran?.
There is no sense to what you said
@@95raran re read it
There is no sense to what you said
The quran says to leave a will... who disagreed?
"Build a shrine" its actually haram...
Scalds aisha(ra) directly and personally... where?
Indirectly claims Allah love the ones who fight more... so what??
Its not even inderect that Allah love those who fight in his way.
There is no point to what you say
@@95raran my friend... search it, do what u want to do, I don't personally care if u do or don't.
Dude you are the one who made these statements.
And i just showed you that you are wrong thats it.
Do Muslims know where the Quran verse 4:157 came from? well it was from a 3rd century agnostic writing called Second Treatis of Great Seth which he, Muhammed incorporated into the Quran. Not only that he ascribed the same verse to both John the Baptist Quran 19:15 and to Jesus 19:33
Why your religion only revolves around hate of the prophet Muhammad pbuh Family and especially ali. Because the prophet Muhammad pbuh said you know hypocrites by hate of ali. That's you shamesi
Why did the prophet Muhammad pbuh children all not survive except for fatme after him. Why allah who controls life stopped his other wives from having kids. Because allah wanted to protect the line of the fatme. The purified line of the 12 imams. This guy stuttering big liar.
Liar liar liar
He praised the foremost from the muhajreen and ansar not all. Min means from not all dont lie shamesi
About مِنَ (from)
1. About مِنَ
There was only one group of muhajireen and they are those who migrated from Mecca to Medina. There was no migration after that in the life of the prophet (peace be upon him).
Allah says;
وَالسّٰبِقُوۡنَ الۡاَوَّلُوۡنَ مِنَ الۡمُهٰجِرِيۡنَ وَالۡاَنۡصَارِ وَالَّذِيۡنَ اتَّبَعُوۡهُمۡ بِاِحۡسَانٍ ۙ رَّضِىَ اللّٰهُ عَنۡهُمۡ وَرَضُوۡا عَنۡهُ وَاَعَدَّ لَهُمۡ جَنّٰتٍ تَجۡرِىۡ تَحۡتَهَا الۡاَنۡهٰرُ خٰلِدِيۡنَ فِيۡهَاۤ اَبَدًا ؕ ذٰ لِكَ الۡـفَوۡزُ الۡعَظِيۡمُ
“And the foremost to embrace Islâm of the Muhâjirûn (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansâr (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhâjirûn ) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allâh is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.” (9:100)
It is جنس (jens) and not تبعيض (tab’eedh). The qur’an says so, here’s the evidence from Allah:
-Allah talks about ALL of the muhajireen and ansaar here:
Allah says;
لِلۡفُقَرَآءِ الۡمُهٰجِرِيۡنَ الَّذِيۡنَ اُخۡرِجُوۡا مِنۡ دِيَارِهِمۡ وَاَمۡوَالِهِمۡ يَبۡتَغُوۡنَ فَضۡلًا مِّنَ اللّٰهِ وَرِضۡوَانًا وَّيَنۡصُرُوۡنَ اللّٰهَ وَرَسُوۡلَهٗ ؕ اُولٰٓـئِكَ هُمُ الصّٰدِقُوۡنَ ۚ
“(And there is also a share in this booty) for the poor emigrants, who were expelled from their homes and their property, seeking Bounties from Allâh and to please Him, and helping Allâh (i.e. helping His religion) and His Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم). Such are indeed the truthful (to what they say).” (59:8)
لَّذِينَ تَبَوَّءُو ٱلدَّارَ وَٱلْإِيمَـٰنَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ يُحِبُّونَ مَنْ هَاجَرَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَا يَجِدُونَ فِى صُدُورِهِمْ حَاجَةًۭ مِّمَّآ أُوتُوا۟ وَيُؤْثِرُونَ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَلَوْ كَانَ بِهِمْ خَصَاصَةٌۭ ۚ وَمَن يُوقَ شُحَّ نَفْسِهِۦ فَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْمُفْلِحُونَ
“And (it is also for) those who, before them, had homes (in Al-Madinah) and had adopted the Faith, love those who emigrate to them, and have no jealousy in their breasts for that which they have been given (from the booty of Banû An-Nadîr), and give them (emigrants) preference over themselves even though they were in need of that. And whosoever is saved from his own covetousness, such are they who will be the successful.” (59:9)
“And (the ones) who came even after them say, "Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who went before us in belief, and do not set up in our hearts rancor towards (the ones) who have believed. Our Lord, surely You are Ever-Compassionate, Ever-Merciful." (59:10)
-al anfal 72 includes ALL muhajireen and ansaar without mentioning مِنَ:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَهَاجَرُواْ وَجَاهَدُواْ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ وَالَّذِينَ آوَواْ وَّنَصَرُواْ أُوْلَئِكَ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ
“Those who believed and emigrated (to Medina - Muhajireen) and struggled for God’s cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave refuge and help (ansaar), are ALL allies of one another.” (8:72)
-verse 57:10 includes ALL ( وَكُلًّا ) companions:
لا يَستَوي مِنكُم مَن أَنفَقَ مِن قَبلِ الفَتحِ وَقاتَلَ ۚ أُولٰئِكَ أَعظَمُ دَرَجَةً مِنَ الَّذينَ أَنفَقوا مِن بَعدُ وَقاتَلوا ۚ وَكُلًّا وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الحُسنىٰ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِما تَعمَلونَ خَبيرٌ
“Not equal among you are those who spent before the conquest [of Makkah] and fought [and those who did so after it]. Those are greater in degree than they who spent afterwards and fought. But to ALL Allah has promised the best [reward]. And Allah, of what you do, is Aware.” (57:10)
-a verse when Allah mentions all muhajireen and ansaar 9:117 without مِنَ and therefore includes ALL of them:
لَـقَدْ تَّابَ اللّٰهُ عَلَى النَّبِىِّ وَالۡمُهٰجِرِيۡنَ وَالۡاَنۡصَارِ الَّذِيۡنَ اتَّبَعُوۡهُ فِىۡ سَاعَةِ الۡعُسۡرَةِ مِنۡۢ بَعۡدِ مَا كَادَ يَزِيۡغُ قُلُوۡبُ فَرِيۡقٍ مِّنۡهُمۡ ثُمَّ تَابَ عَلَيۡهِمۡ ؕ اِنَّهٗ بِهِمۡ رَءُوۡفٌ رَّحِيۡمٌۙ
“Allah has already forgiven the Prophet and the Muhājireen and the Anṣār who followed him in the hour of difficulty after the hearts of a party of them had almost inclined [to doubt], and then He forgave them. Indeed, He was to them Kind and Merciful.” (9:117)
Evidence that مِنَ includes all:
وَمَا خَلَقۡنَا السَّمَآءَ وَالۡاَرۡضَ وَمَا بَيۡنَهُمَا بَاطِلًا ؕ ذٰ لِكَ ظَنُّ الَّذِيۡنَ كَفَرُوۡا ۚ فَوَيۡلٌ لِّلَّذِيۡنَ كَفَرُوۡا مِنَ النَّارِؕ
“And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in vain. That is the opinion of those who disbelieve. And woe unto those who disbelieve, from the Fire!” (38:27)
What does it mean to say “woe” (فويل) to someone? It is used to lament (passionately express) one's situation or fate. woe to (someone) 1. Used to express the wish for someone to experience misfortune.
According to your argument, when Allah says “And woe unto those who disbelieve, from (مِنَ) the Fire!”, He (Allah) is only referring to some of the disbelievers from the fire which makes no sense because we know from the qur’an, ALL the disbelievers will be in the hellfire and it’s “woe” (فويل) to ALL of them. It can’t be “woe” to only 10% of them and the rest are safe. Hence, when Allah mentioned مِنَ, in verse 9:100 He was referring to ALL of the Muhajireen and Ansaar رضي الله عنهم اجمعين.
-type of مِنَ mentioned in this verse (9:100):
Allah has categorised the people in the prophets lifetime into; muhajireen, ansaar, wives, those who accepted Islam before the conquest of Mecca, those who accepted Islam after the conquest of Mecca, Quraysh (including Arab pagans), Jews, disbelievers in general and hypocrites.
Each of these categories is differentiated by Allah clearly in the Qur’an, so don’t try to bring verses about hypocrites since they’re a different category to the companions as Allah mentions in the Quran. Them verses about the hypocrites also include Ahlul Bayt by Shi’a logic since they were also present.
Jens (جنس) which Allah is using in verse 9:100 - example, if you’re selling different coloured apples and I say I want from that type of apple (meaning the green ones by categorising) FROM that type of apple, not some, because some wouldn’t make sense, if i said “I want some of the type of the green apple”, it makes sense when I say, “I want FROM that type of apple you’re selling” referring to all the green apples.
جنس: (jens) (plural اجناس (ajnâs) also known as categorising:
1. Kind
2. Genus
3. Genre
Another example, if I want to get something FROM a shop, I say “I want something from the shop”, referring to the whole shop. It doesn’t make sense that I say “from” and only refer to 5% of the shop, meaning the other 95% doesn’t exist or something. This makes no sense logically.
Therefore, this is talking about all those who migrated before the conquest of Mecca from Mecca to medina because there was no migration after the conquest of Mecca and also all of the ansaar.
قبحهم الله الرافضة الله يكسر ظهرك أو يهديك
Stop trying to be smart, Sunni are divided in many many subsect in almost every country, You claim to be follower of Sunnah but all u can do is interfere in other faith... Alone in Pakistan Sunni are divided in to 5 sect atleast...!!!
@@AliSalehRadhit
In Pakistan name of Sunni sect are Bralvi (70% of Pakistani Population), Ahlul Hadith, Deobani, Wahabi, Sufi.
@Mohammad Aasif Wrong Wahabis are more closed version of Deobandi not Ahlul Hadith, while Bralvi and Suffis are alike only in Term of going to Shrines other than that there is no concept of Tasawof and Sufi dance in Bralvi
@Mohammad Aasif By the way which sect is real sunni? Ahlul Sunah?
@Mohammad Aasif Wahabis follow Hanbali school?
@Mohammad Aasif So All sect of Sunnis following Sunnah even though each and every one has its own form of sect 🤔
He was Sufi now hes wahabi step down lol
Stop being a misguided person and stop listening to your Shia scholars.
@@a.d2019 maybe you are misguided not me. Just a thought
@@a.d2019 yes because you say I'm misguided I am. Loving ahyl bayt is hardly being misguided but fighting them is definitely misguidance. Only an ignorant wouldn't think this isnt true. Trust me buddy you are the one on the wrong path. So dont be to confident.
@@MohamedSaad-pn1wn: We also love the Ahlul bayt of the prophet ﷺ but we don’t worship them like y’all. that’s what exactly Christians say about Jesus pbuh they ended up taking him as their lord. Since you love the Ahlul bait of the prophet ﷺ y’all must love his wives as well right!?
@@breadpitt5777 we worship allah so just because you say we worship them isnt nothing but empty accusation. And no loving the prophet Muhammad pbuh dont require loving all wives. Do you love the the prophet lut and prophet Noah? Do you love their wives nope. A wife that tries to kill ahyl bayt isnt someone we have to love. I'm not with slandering her but no I dont think her love is religion. But I cant be hypocrite love imam ali and love the lady that hated him and tried to kill him. That makes no sense
4:20 he took names of his first three khaleefas and deliberately skipped the name of HAZRAT ALI ibn e Abu Talib. This shows the same bughz these people are having from past 1400 years and will still continue till the day of judgement...
Just imagine, treating Hazrat Ali like that whose sons are promised to be the leaders of youngsters of Jannah... Wallahi proficies are coming to be true you'll regret it on the day of judgement.
Shea you khanzeer
@@aryub5851 if that's what you call to the followers of Hazrat Ali then surely Allah will deal with you as he pleases... That is what you are calling to a syed, (Naqvi) descendant from the Rasool (SAW)... Allah will deal with people like you in Aakhirah InshAllah
@@Azrael-786 InshaAllah Allah will deal with all shea 🐖 for worshipping a dead man. Khanazeer khawarijites
You bring Ali (RA) level to godhood, ASTAGHFIRULLAH
Lol. He didn’t mention Ali because he was talking about how the imams were oppressed. And it’s true. After Uthman passed, Alis khilafah was shaky. May Allah be pleased with them all. Don’t take it out of context
We do read the Quran. Abu bakr caliphate not in the Quran lol
Neither is Alis wilayah. But you believe in that lmao
Now if I asked you to prove imamah of Ali as from the Qur'an, you would surely go to the verse about imamah of Ibrahim as 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Shah_hssn listen go prove caliphate of abu bakr first in the Quran before you try to debate imam ali who you and all your kind dont compare to the dust he walks on. Who are you that we need to prove anything to you. Imam ali proof is like imam Mehdi proof. You know imam mehdi right? You know him pagan. The prophet Muhammad pbuh told you about him. This is imamah you ignorant pagan
@@Shah_hssn for 1500 years we the shia are the proof of imam ali immah. It dont require anymore proof then this. Just like you are proof of the hate of ahyl bayt. May allah raise us with who we both love. We cant wait for that
@@MohamedSaad-pn1wn MashaAllah very academic just like shia