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They can’t read Hebrew, or Greek, but they’ll argue based on English
Even that they cannot understand.
MoHAMhead was illiterate.. he was pressed hard 3x to read by supposed angel i guess either Allah was ignorant of the fact he can’t read or supposed angel who was sent by supposed god. But yet u follow illiterate
This is a really weak argument I hope you know thay
@@samrogers5090 no. It isn’t. Lol 😂 I hope you know that.
@@gavinminty4974 can something be perfectly clear and ambiguous at the same time even though those words are antonyms? Just curious.
This guy has no logic. Behind a screen he don't let people talk and face to face he is exposed 😂
How did he get exposed? Surely you can tell me how he got exposed correct, otherwise you wouldnt make this claim
@@theelite5580
Bruh... He deliberately tried to change the word multiple times hoping that the other guy doesn't notice 😂😂
@@marwanbenchadad Dia in greek means exactly what Godlogic was saying, it means Through, not by the means of.
Stop wasting your breath on nologic, he's got none😂
You mean the guy who made this Muslim run away after proving Jesus is Mohammed’s God 😂😂? The Muslim dude used the book of Hebrews to prove his argument not realizing in Hebrews 1:8-12 that’s where the Father says Jesus is the God who created the heavens and the earth 😂😂😂😂. You are all clowns
How biased can you be? He was talking over him the entire time and godlogic even said let’s go with that and he didn’t get to make his argument because he was being interrupted. He literally agreed with what he was saying and the dude was just trying to latch onto a petty linguistic point that godlogic wasn’t even challenging. The fact that you see this and for one you think that kind of behavior is ok in a debate and secondly that you think this is actually a salient point like damn dude. It’s funny because my exposure to Islam on RUclips has made me more Christian. You actually have to be dishonest to watch this and feel like this is in any way a win for this guy. That or brainwashed.
@@samrogers5090You’re clearly brainwashed lol. Agreeing with No logic twisting the words in the scripture to satisfy the point he was trying to make is just petty but it does not come as a surprise since the majority of the Christians I’ve seen do the same thing.
@@1405Abdelrahmanamazing response😮 could you try again?
@@samrogers5090petty linguistic, meaning of words in different languages have different meaning, a slight change can have a significant difference,
The Muslim guy is 1/4 right as in , it could mean by means but this translation is not used here .
"Dia" means "through" when used with a genitive noun and "because of" or "on account of" when used with an accusative noun.
In Colossians 1:16, it is used with a genitive noun which is why it's translated as "through" instead of "because of"
But too say it only means “ by means of “ is in correct .
Don't expect Bible perverts to be genuine with the text. These scoffers and mockers would've been spitting at Christ on the cross.
As someone who can read and understand the original Greek, the black guy is right. Δια means through/by. You don't have to be Christian to acknowledge it. Also, at the time Christian doctrine was established, all the best scholars were present, all of whom spoke Greek. If you're not educated to understand Koine Greek, how presumptuous do you have to be to think that you understand the meaning of a word better than scholars who spoke the languages fluently?
does the word ' via' is the same thing?
Yeah the pompous ignorance in thos comment section is astounding. Is this clown a jehovah's witness?
Unfortunately, you are more uneducated than this black Lostlogic guy. You can research the translation yourself.
Clownlogic common L
*"My Bible authors is anonymous!"*
-GodLogic, a renowned expert on Christianity
Who thinks the gospels are anonymous? I know the sources, do you?
@@devilliersduplessis7904your own scholar
didn’t Allah give books to ppl of the book?
@@affanfatahhaq6332who
He was repeating Siraj's point 🤦♂️You need to work on your comprehension skills
NoLogic again? Lmao if he can believe the fake scripture written as Jesus and God is One to mean Jesus is God, I wont be surprised he believed the Disciples are Gods, the Israelites are God; heck better not call priest father, or else he thinks its their biological Father😂
How So. fake I mean. It seems a bit rude and taking something that people view as everything in their life and giving no real reason just don't be vocal about what you believe by condemning others
This whole religious debate think is getting out of hand when you are horrible about it. Just let people believe what they want and you believe what you want and live happily because if whatever you believe is real would you think that god/s (or lack of) would want you to be this rude to people. I mean genuinely think about what you say before you are rude to others. Just give it up religious debates either end in agree to disagree or a shouting match. Is godlogic apologetics a bit ridiculous yes but so are others and nobody knows what they are talking about.
your name is soviet death stroke calling someone else delusional the irony.
@@glitchxzmt5935 yes let them believe what they want, no problem at all, our intention is not increasing the number of muslim but deliver the message it is duty of every Muslim.
@@azadazeez9759 i am absolutely fine with that but this person is being disrespectful to anyone of Christian faith I which I am sure is not what you believe to be right
Low key he completely detailed his argument. The Christian sadly does not know his own book.
He knows his book very well, its Mustafa who doesnt know it.
Judge: Did you kill him
Muslims defendant: No, they died by means of me
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who used Jesus to create? 🤔
@@faheemahmed5786"... whatever the Father does the Son does also."
As soon as the christian knew where the muslim was going, all he could hope to do was inturupt as much as possible so that the Muslim brother couldnt speak. Alhamdulillah, Mashallah, the devils will always try to derail us from the truth brothers and gaslight us. Inshallah, we stay guided and loved by the almighty ever merciful Allah (SWT).
What I found funny is how you in the comments think "by means of" is somehow helping your argument.
This No logic dude doesn’t allow anyone to speak just so they don’t expose his lies and hypocrisy. The way he interpreted the verse by twisting it to satisfy his narrative is just petty and doesn’t come as a surprise because the majority of Christians I’ve seen do exactly the same.
How did he interpret the verse by twisting it? Dia means through/by, and thats quite literally not a problem for trinitarians, we believe that the father created everything through the son. Whats crazy is that all of these arguments Mustafa got are from Jehovahs witnesses, and these were debunked many times.
That is incorrect. 'Dia' mean THROUGH not By Means of.
Either he is misinformed, or he is purposely being misleading.
Either way he's wrong. But what's really egregious about this performance, is the fact he vehemently thinks he's right.
I've studied Greek for almost 30 years, but today, all you have to do is Google the word 'dia', and it will tell you what the meaning is.
So through, or by means of. Either way Jesus is sent by God and not God. The trinity came 400 years after Jesus
@@m33ro. Oooohhh... That's why we are told to baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy spirit. The old testament mentions the trinity and why all Isaiah prophesied John the baptist baptizing people in the wilderness to make way for the Lord who John the Baptist and Mark revealed as Jesus?
Thanks for clearing that up, I was confused.
Edit: I know you're gonna say it. So before you do NO Lord here does not mean "king" the Hebrew in Isaiah is YAHWEH (transliteration) meaning God.
Through is the same as saying by means of lol
So your admitting that the translation of the bible is mistaken and the bible translators are unqualified because they translate it as by him dishonest and unprofessional no matter how u look at it that's an L
The world was created through and for Jesus. Why? He's clearly not merely a prophet @@m33ro.
This guy only debates different languages when his skill on his own language is still poor😂
I just checked that passage. As usual, the Muslim is a liar
He (jesus) went forward a little,fell on his face, and prayed (Mathew 26:39)
He doesn't understand indeed.
This guy should not be debated, he is doing the same thing again and again, he twists something, when he is called on it, he interrupts, keep talking, and says this is not his question.
Jesus says"My teaching is not my own, It comes from the one who sent me(John 7:16)🤔
No logic is a looser..
Jesus is God. the first and the last , the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega, Jesus is The Almighty
Clown without Logic simply twists words and sentences, taking parts of texts out of context to try to prove his point. He would make a great journalist 😂.
Example:
1. this package was delivered 'by' Amazon
2. This package was delivered 'by means of' Amazon
Who is delivering the package? Amazon or Amazon?
Sad attempt to make GL look bad.
Don’t cry
@hazimhazmir too late 🤣
meanwhile you're failing to realise most of the items listed on amazon are by independent sellers, meaning someone else sold you an item by the means of amazon. wakey wakey. God isn't a man who needs to poo after eating food he needs to survive.
@@FunniesRSYou mention listed, I mentioned delivered. Sold is a different story. But to you point, yes there are sellers on Amazon. Let's take the example a little further then, shall we?
1. Sold by Amazon, fulfilled by Amazon, delivered by Amazon.
2. Sold "by means of" Amazon, fulfilled "by means of" Amazon, delivered "by means of" Amazon. Who was the one in this case that has the product, sells the product, delivers the product? Amazon.
@@timyoung4303your example is not prooving what you think. if its sold, fulfilled and delivered by amazon its all from amazon but if its sold, fulfilled and deliver by means of amazon that implies that amazon is the platform being used by another.
Logical, more like illogical 😢
He Jesus continued all night in prayer to God (Luke 6:12)🤔
Dude has a goofy smile
Jesus suddenly took on an existence that was lower than the angels(Psalm 8:5)🤔
No logic like saying it started on Oct 7 😂
These guys are too used to muslim argumentation where you just shout down your opponent and don’t let them answer
They don't even know the authors of their books 😂 yet they still argue 😂
Yes we do, and we have sources I could cite. Why do you think they are anonymous if we have respected neutral and hostile third party historians of the time that have recorded the authors?
They call him QUEERLOGIC bc he believes god has no laws
Did he just diss Jahovah witness denomination? Are they not all together Christianity?
Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. They are heretics.
Nope, Heretics
@@devilliersduplessis7904 who is the heretics? The dumblogic?
No ☠️
@@theelite5580 he already did it. This guy dissed every verse of the bible that is used by muslim.
The God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus (Acts 3:13)🤔
Jesus said he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel (Mathew 15:24)🤔
we know that you are a teacher come from God(John 3:2)🤔
It's not the eye that is blind. It's the heart. Your job is only to deliver the message accurately and move on.
Take it or leave it
Allah blinded them..
Firstborn means he was created not a creator.
Firstborn in the context means preeminence, meaning being superior over the thing you're being called firstborn to, God would be firstborn because hes superior over all things
Or just watch the whole video and judge the whole thing by yourself. Not listening to butchered video just like how they butchered the scriptures, saying things out of context. Logic is posting these videos whole so don't be gullible and at least know the whole context.
"All things were created by means of.. "
So what? Can a creature be "used by God" to create all things?
Watch the debate. Godlogic destroyed him. Can Allah be a father? Haha
Can your god have a daughter? 🤔
@faheemahmed5786 Answer the question. Can your god be a father!
@@slydog8011 Depends on what you mean by "father". 🥱
Is the "father" metaphorical or literal? 🤔
@@faheemahmed5786 But the Jews PRAY to the father. So do the Christians. You lot DON'T yet use their scripture. Explain this?
@@sloan957 Do the jews call their god as "father"? 🤔
Do they use the word "father" literally or metaphorically? 🤔
I watch this whole video Christians
say no logic won no logic never
answers the questions his asked
always switching the topic his a liar
You made this up. That Greek word Dia is not in 1 Colossians 16.
Jesus work under father (John 10:25)🤔
How does that change anything??all things were created by means of Jesus..dis means completely by Jesus
You're nearly there
@@devilliersduplessis7904 not sure what you mean..
@@devilliersduplessis7904 what does that mean??
Basic English grammar….. Greek word is dia things don’t always translate perfectly
Just in Northern Europe thing do not translate perfectly
So whos bible version is actually the best? Please decide. I mean there is only one word of God so the rest must be.....😢😢😢
Harry Potter
Doglogic
Clownlogic go home 😂
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😂 clown 🤡 logic Allah uses
Yeah keep on talking and not listening how in the world r u going to find the truth? For the sake of argument? Come on use Ur brain and think wisely only the u will find the truth of Islam!
Truth? When u follow deceiving god Allah ?
One god but three people. Christianity logic fails
That's a failing of your understanding. It's made clear throughout the old testament and the gospels.
Just because authors of Quran didn't understand it now you can't either?
Search up what Dia means Muhammadans.
Search up how many religions worship a human as God like you. Hindus for one.
Human worshippers
@@sabi3052 go on google, and search this "what does the greek word dia mean." Right now the argument of paganism is irrelevant to what my point is, your guy is blatantly lying and you agree with him
God logic cooked this man in the whole interview
He really didn’t but if that helps you sleep at night
@themaestro9911 watch the whole 20mins ....he cooked him
@@amennamaste9173 speaking louder than someone and interrupting them and then making up lies and avoiding questions isn’t cooking someone
@@amennamaste9173idk what you watched, the whole vid was 44 min and it was embarrassing, the muslim guy gave him a lecture on the bible, in many parts he started laughing as a couping mechanism and had to rely on mental gymnastics to throw the debate off like christians always do
Delusional
John 1:1-3 from the Khabouris Codex. In transliteration it reads:
b'rēšīṯ ˀīṯawhyē hwāya melṯā wǝhūw melṯā ˀīṯawhyē hwāya lwāṯ ˀălāhā wǝˀlāhā ˀīṯawhyē hwāya hūw melṯā
ˀhānā ˀīṯawhyē hwāya b'rēšīṯ lwāṯ ˀălāhā
kull b'ˀyaḏə hwā wǝbelˁādˁāwhay ˀāp̄la ḥaḏ' hwāt medˁēm d'ahwāˁ
Literal translation:
initially [there] was {twice} word (or speech), and it (or he); [the] word was {twice} towards (the) God, and (the) God was {twice} he/himself word
this was {twice} in the beginning with (the) God
all by/with his hand/power/control was (or became existent), and without (his hand or him or it - unclear) not even one became something [which] was
What's interesting here is that the Aramaic is actually copying the opening of Genesis. Genesis in Hebrew isn't called "Genesis", but "bereshit", instead. This is the first Hebrew word in the Old Testament, and it literally means "in the head", but means "initially", as 'the top of the skull', or "ras" in Arabic, i.e. the highest part of your body, functions to indicate priority or precedence (in speech). Like how you say "he was ahead of everyone else", in English, which also uses "head" to refer to a foremost position. This is therefor typically translated to mean "in the beginning". Note that "bereshit" doesn't mean "the first thing", as there could be events that preceded it, and this is true, because the creation of the heavens and the earth, in Genesis, isn't actually the first creation. Water and fire were created before the creation of the heavens and the earth. It simply denotes an initial stage of creation.
So this exact same word is used to translate John 1:1:1 in Aramaic, and the author is obviously trying to imitate Genesis 1:1:1. I think that the author is trying to use the opening of Genesis to introduce something new to that creation narrative; to expand on it. He's also trying to give his biography (or 'Gospel') the same kind of religious authority that he thinks Genesis has. And so he starts off with a Genesis-like creation narrative, while mixing it up a bit, and introducing some neo nomenclature.
Also, the Aramaic uses a double form for "being", ˀīṯawhyē hwāy sounds like he's saying "was, was", which doesn't happen in the Greek 'originals'. The Greek also lacks the inclusion of God's "hand", in verse 3. This pertains to creating, obviously, but isn't worded as such in the Greek. You have to wonder what manuscript this (rather late) Aramaic version is based on. Do some Greek manuscripts include the word for "hand"? I don't know. English translations of the Greek start verse 2 with "he was", but the Aramaic says "this was". Why would a relatively late Aramaic translation purposely exclude expressions that imply Jesus' divinity? Again, it's peculiar, but I don't know why it differs in this regard. There are multiple interesting (albeit sometimes subtle) differences.
Hūw typically means "he", but not necessarily. It can also mean "it", or "himself", or it can be used emphatically; focussing on the word it follows or precedes (e.g. "this" or "that").
ˀīṯawhyē has a third person masculine singular morpheme, and hwāya is also in the third person masculine singular mode. Hwā can mean "to be", "to exist", "to endure", "to turn", "to turn into", "to become", "to change state", "to possess", "to come to pass", "to happen", "to come into existence", "to create", "to be created". Idiomatically it can mean "not" as in "it is not", or "to stay with someone", or "to come to one's senses", or "to have intercourse", or "to let it be", or "to deal with", and finally "to raise a point of discussion". All of these possible meanings are extracted from a variety of texts written in Common Aramaic, Syriac, Galilean Aramaic, Jewish Babylonian, Samaritan, Official Aramaic, Official Egyptian Aramaic, and Biblical Ezra Aramaic. So I'm not pulling this out of thin air. I can provide references for all of these. Gramatically it can be used as an augmentative marker of tense and/or aspect. Moreover, ˀīṯawhyē specifically, can mean "to exist", "to have", "to owe", "to have dealings with", "to be necessary to do", "to be capable (of acting)", and "to have an ability".
Lwāṯ means "towards", "at", "with", "according to", "concerning", "along with", "to come along with", "infront of", "facing", "next to", "compared to", etc.
The expression wǝˀlāhā ˀīṯawhyē hwāya hūw melṯā, therefor, is somewhat open to interpretation; what your quote renders as "and the Word was God". Consider the third verse: kull b'ˀyaḏə hwā, which means "everything by His hand was (created)", which uses the same verb as before: hwāya melṯā, meaning "[the] word was". Does it mean that the word was created? I don't think it does. I suspect that the double verb (for "to be") functions as an expression of eternal existence. But this is somewhat problematic when it's preceded by the phrase "in the beginning", since this indicates an existential beginning. The Word is not what's being created, but it functions in conjunction with "God's hand", and refers to the act of creation, or the means.
What does melṯā mean, exactly? It means "word", "statement" or "speech" in Common Aramaic. It can also mean "cause". Syriac includes the meanings "terminology", "exposition", "treatise", "argumentation", and "proverb". In the Jewish Babylonian Magic Bowls, as well as in Jewish Babylonian literature, and in Jewish Babylonia-geonic, it can mean "magic spell", "incantation" and "charm". Syriac also adds "power of speech", "science", "reasoning", "learning", "promise", "pledge", "verbal consent". It can also mean "to give legal permission" or "to have (philosophical) meaning". Galilean, Syriac, Jewish Babylonian, Jewish Babylonia-geonic, Biblical Daniel Aramaic, and Late Jewish Literary Aramaic all include the meanings "a thing", "a matter", as in "a case", and "a situation". But there's also "complaint", "disagreement", and "the essence of a subject matter". It can also mean "a letter in a word". As an idiom, it can mean "to pray" and "to let bleed", "to give an account" and "to continue speaking". Most interestingly, it can mean "of/by itself" as in "intrinsically". Finally, only in Syriac texts can we find it being used as a theological term for "the logos" (masculine form!), but melṯā here has a feminine morphology, which is interesting.
ˀălāhā or Alaha is in an emphatic state: adding -a at the end, which is a shortened form of -ha and just means "the": "Allah (the)", so "The God".
You could, if you wanted to, interpret this whole passage differently, and interpret "word" as referring to God's attribute of Speech, by which He commands creations to come into being, as opposed to this referring to a second persona of a triune deity. And God's attributes are beginninglessly eternal, and therefor they exist as intrinsic necessities, which is why I said that the meaning of "by itself" is interesting. God's attributes are not Him Himself, nor are they other than Him (i.e. they are not parts of God). They should be understood to be attributes; full stop. They are not beings in the sense that they are distinct living components. They are beings only in the sense that they exist; are real, and true, and that they do not NOT exist. But the living being here is God, and these are simply the attributes of God. Note that the three verses (like Genesis) talk about the creation (of the world). The melṯā indicates speech, reason and purpose, whereas the 'hand' refers to the capability and absolute power to realize.
Possible interpretation:
*In the beginning, the creative Word intrinsically existed, and this Speech existed inherently with God, and God enabled createdness Himself; verbally.*
*This necessarily existing ability was God's, (even) primordially.*
*By His Hand everything was created, and without it, not even a single existence emerged.*