Shadow being able to take on MO in base with no actual use of the doom powers besides surfing is such a nice way of showing how much stronger Shadow’s gotten over the years
@Sonic10Forces sonic just couldn't reach chaos weak point, he canonically didn't know how to boost during sa1 meaning he had to go super to reach the weak point. Beating chaos doesn't mean he's surpassed super sonic from sa1. Super sonic is invincible, base sonic still isnt.
@@jelloistasty He can still surpass him in strength and speed even if he’s not invincible. His stats are easily far greater from the battles he’s experienced past that point and this has been stated in the narrative on multiple occasions
@metis7534 what statement puts him above super sonic from sa1. I'm not refuting that the characters get stronger, but there's no evidence that sonic could come close to super sonic
2003 Metal Overlord: "Even the ultimate lifeform can't stop me!" 21 years later and that statement has officially aged like milk lol. Metal ain't beating those fraud allegations now.
Well, he actually kinda was at that point. Using chaos powers without chaos emeralds is a thing only him can do (shadow cannot. It is implied that whenever he uses chaos powers, he has at least one chaos emerald ans confirm in SXSG and IDW). Neo metal sonic also had chaos DNA, Shadow, and averyone else' DNA. He was the ultimate life form. The moghtiest character in Sonic universe at that point.
@idontknowl0l didnt he gathered chaos emeralds after?? Maybe it was an error, or maybe he can use chaos spear without chaos emeralds but that would be weird
I can't believe Dr Eggman didn't destroyed that robot version of Sonic after all the trouble it cost in Sonic Heroes video game after it locked up the doctor and try to take over the world on it's own then again after Sonic Heroes Eggman manage to reprogram it to obey his command in the early Sonic games
@@jeffreywilliams8499 It was aftually very smart from eggman to not destroy it. Neo metal Sonic came back to help eggman and helps him in IDW comics. Actually good to see eggman able to control neo
all shadow enemies try to be him, the ultimate life form, the shadow of shadow, the impostor that call him impostor and the alien that want to take his body
@nexusetmiaouss Metal Overlord in Heroes is trying to beat Sonic to prove he's the superior Sonic. Metal Overlord in Shadow Generations is trying to beat Shadow to prove he is the true ultimate lifeform. Metal Sonic is basically about proving he's superior.
sonic and shadow get stronger every time they fight, according to sonic forces - it makes sense why they're able to beat the likes of metal madness and perfect chaos in base form in generations
@@theimprovedbore550 It really goes to show that Shadow with Doom Powers is REALLY powerful. To the point that he overpowers Metal Overlord, who is WAY stronger than Perfect Chaos.
Tails & Knuckles were just surrounded by yellow energy shields given by Super Sonic. Now the fight with Solaris had to take 3 super forms to take it down.
@@HyperSonicXtreme That’s only cause no one designed a proper Super form for them. Kinda stupid. But it is a fact that they were also in Super form when fighting Metal Overlord.
Shadow became ridiculously strong with his doom powers, and this was only when he got one. In his Doom Wing form, he's easily stronger than Super Shadow from Shadow the Hedgehog.
Between Shadow beating him down without Chaos Emeralds and being successfully fended off by the other teams in Sonic Heroes without incident, I'm starting to think the only reason Super Sonic was even needed was just because he could fly. No wonder Metal stopped talking. If I said some shit like "I am the ultimate being" minutes before getting clowned on I'd shut my ass up for good too lol (No but seriously, can we get another cool Metal Sonic boss figjt in the future dude needs more scenes like this.)
Sonic Heroes: using Team blast in able to take a hit Shadow Generations: Pathetic, only weak points is his belly using my own Doom power without using Super form because I don't have 6 more Chaos Emerald to able on Super
Nah. Shadow destroy him without using Super mod. He used only doom powers to walk on water bro. He can used his shoes and levitation powers to fight but come on man
@@Chillin-jg8vg sonic really just needed boost to be able to reach the weak spot to beat Chaos, he canonically couldn't boost during sa1 which is why super sonics flight was needed. Beating perfect chaos shows he's improved, but it doesn't mean he's surpassed super sonic of that era. Edit) If Super knuckles couldn't harm Metal, Shadow flinging pieces of debris can't do anything, yet they do damage somehow. That's a huge durability nerf to metal. Punch from super knuckles >>>>> Random pieces of a building
@@LittleAl016 Plus, union stuff. Ryan Drummond did get an offer to return to the role during Colors, but it would've made him leave the union he was part of.
@@LittleAl016 Oh absolutely he could’ve done that if he’d chosen to. But he evidentially chose not too, no shade for that at all, man chose to stand by his union rather than take work not approved by it. Actors like Steve Blum and Crispin Freeman are similar, where they won’t work under a pseudonym, and will only do union approved work. Many actors will do non-union work uncredited or under a pseudonym, like Yuri Lowenthal and Matthew Mercer, but that’s entirely their choice to do so. You can argue the reasons, maybe they feel greater obligation to reprise older roles if they can no matter what, maybe they need the money, or maybe they’re just far more chill about bending the rules than Ryan Drummond was. Either way, Ryan has clearly found his success in union commercial work, and doesn’t want to risk rocking the boat there for a chance to voice Sonic again.
You know a lot of people say shadow is strong as fuck for beating metal over lord in base form but everyone forgets that sonic beat perfect chaos in base form too lol
The new fight could be cool but I just hate how Doom Surf controls... it was really infuriating trying to get S rank on him with how drifty and unresponsive the controls with Doom Surf are at times
Im just disapointed in few things: the fight not being over clouds anymore, not having a real remix, not having Metal Overlord Jojo reference. ("Chaos control" then throw a boat at U road roller da style)
O proprio eggman disse em sonic heroes que mesmo com as Esmeraldas, seria impossível vencer metaloverlor, afimando que só seria possível vencer-lo por um milagre. E o que shadow fez? Praticamente não teve nem um problema em vencer-lo, um tapa na cara do sonic dessa época 😂
Metal's new voice ia a downgrade in my opinion. No hate to the VA, he was just doing what they told him to do, but it didn't feel robotic at all, and just like a regular run of the mill brute enemy voice
Shadow being able to take on MO in base with no actual use of the doom powers besides surfing is such a nice way of showing how much stronger Shadow’s gotten over the years
And it does makes sense since sonic was able to defeat perfect chaos in base so shadow is able to beat Metal Overlord in base
@Sonic10Forces sonic just couldn't reach chaos weak point, he canonically didn't know how to boost during sa1 meaning he had to go super to reach the weak point. Beating chaos doesn't mean he's surpassed super sonic from sa1. Super sonic is invincible, base sonic still isnt.
@@jelloistasty He can still surpass him in strength and speed even if he’s not invincible. His stats are easily far greater from the battles he’s experienced past that point and this has been stated in the narrative on multiple occasions
@metis7534 what statement puts him above super sonic from sa1. I'm not refuting that the characters get stronger, but there's no evidence that sonic could come close to super sonic
@@metis7534 I agree on this.
2003 Metal Overlord: "Even the ultimate lifeform can't stop me!"
21 years later and that statement has officially aged like milk lol. Metal ain't beating those fraud allegations now.
Well, he actually kinda was at that point. Using chaos powers without chaos emeralds is a thing only him can do (shadow cannot. It is implied that whenever he uses chaos powers, he has at least one chaos emerald ans confirm in SXSG and IDW). Neo metal sonic also had chaos DNA, Shadow, and averyone else' DNA. He was the ultimate life form. The moghtiest character in Sonic universe at that point.
@@nexusetmiaouss
We actually have Shadow using chaos spear with no emeralds in IDW during Metal Virus arc (all emeralds were with Eggman at the time)
@idontknowl0l didnt he gathered chaos emeralds after?? Maybe it was an error, or maybe he can use chaos spear without chaos emeralds but that would be weird
@@nexusetmiaouss
All seven emeralds during the arc were either with Eggman or with deadly six until the very end of the arc.
Not gonna lie, Metal Overlord mockingly say "Long Time No See" is kinda RAW!
I can't believe Dr Eggman didn't destroyed that robot version of Sonic after all the trouble it cost in Sonic Heroes video game after it locked up the doctor and try to take over the world on it's own then again after Sonic Heroes Eggman manage to reprogram it to obey his command in the early Sonic games
everything is "raw" or "peak" to you people. stfu
@@jeffreywilliams8499 It was aftually very smart from eggman to not destroy it. Neo metal Sonic came back to help eggman and helps him in IDW comics. Actually good to see eggman able to control neo
@@user-fj4ih2uk9ocry elsewhere dude
Ah, the memories of being a 2000s kid. Witnessing the Adventure/Dreamcast Era and Edginess of the Sonic franchise. (Early-Mid 2000s)
Metal Overload: I am the true ultimate lifeform! Shadow: Hmph your not even good enough to be my faker!
Shadow: You're not even good enough to be my faker's faker.
all shadow enemies try to be him, the ultimate life form, the shadow of shadow, the impostor that call him impostor and the alien that want to take his body
@@ademers1679 Theirs only space for one Ultimate being in that universe.
Both are amazing, considering their own year of relase, context and intention of the battle.
The funny thing is it’s metal overlords return after 20 years yet both fights have the same narrative concept
2024 and this is ahead of its time? Stfu
@@AdamSelvigexplain
@nexusetmiaouss Metal Overlord in Heroes is trying to beat Sonic to prove he's the superior Sonic. Metal Overlord in Shadow Generations is trying to beat Shadow to prove he is the true ultimate lifeform.
Metal Sonic is basically about proving he's superior.
@@phantom-X2086 that makes sense!
Originally: Took three beings in Super state to take down Metal Overlord.
Come Generations? Shadow with just the most disrepectful throwing of hands.
sonic and shadow get stronger every time they fight, according to sonic forces - it makes sense why they're able to beat the likes of metal madness and perfect chaos in base form in generations
@@theimprovedbore550 It really goes to show that Shadow with Doom Powers is REALLY powerful. To the point that he overpowers Metal Overlord, who is WAY stronger than Perfect Chaos.
Tails & Knuckles were just surrounded by yellow energy shields given by Super Sonic. Now the fight with Solaris had to take 3 super forms to take it down.
@@HyperSonicXtreme That’s only cause no one designed a proper Super form for them. Kinda stupid. But it is a fact that they were also in Super form when fighting Metal Overlord.
Zenkai boosts...wow@@theimprovedbore550
Shadow to team sonic: look at what they need to mimic a FRACTION of my power!!!
Sonic: I need the emeralds and my friends or else we can't win!
Shadow: Super Mario Sunshine surfing minigame :)
Shadow became ridiculously strong with his doom powers, and this was only when he got one. In his Doom Wing form, he's easily stronger than Super Shadow from Shadow the Hedgehog.
totally agree with you
Which means his current Super form would be theoretically even stronger
@@lx5323 Imagine him going super with his doom wings. Likely stronger than Super Sonic 2 from Frontiers DLC.
@@Fadeddreams5 Super Doom Shadow
Being a 90s baby was awesome
Idiot, it's from 00s
20 years baby
Can I just say that idea of a boss throwing parts of a previous level you played (the egg fleet ships) as an attack is such an awesome idea?
Super Sonic: WE NEED THE POWER OF THE SONIC HEROES!
Shadow: I only need my power... And surfing
Between Shadow beating him down without Chaos Emeralds and being successfully fended off by the other teams in Sonic Heroes without incident, I'm starting to think the only reason Super Sonic was even needed was just because he could fly.
No wonder Metal stopped talking. If I said some shit like "I am the ultimate being" minutes before getting clowned on I'd shut my ass up for good too lol
(No but seriously, can we get another cool Metal Sonic boss figjt in the future dude needs more scenes like this.)
Sonic Heroes: using Team blast in able to take a hit
Shadow Generations: Pathetic, only weak points is his belly using my own Doom power without using Super form because I don't have 6 more Chaos Emerald to able on Super
Nah. Shadow destroy him without using Super mod. He used only doom powers to walk on water bro. He can used his shoes and levitation powers to fight but come on man
@@sandiegomathewp.7456 Nah Shadow just used straight hands on Metal Overlord.
@@Chillin-jg8vg normal attacks don't affect metal overlord, bro got nerfed for this fight
@jelloistasty It's probably just to show how stronger Shadow got then since Sonic beated Perfect Chaos in base when he needed Super before.
@@Chillin-jg8vg sonic really just needed boost to be able to reach the weak spot to beat Chaos, he canonically couldn't boost during sa1 which is why super sonics flight was needed. Beating perfect chaos shows he's improved, but it doesn't mean he's surpassed super sonic of that era.
Edit) If Super knuckles couldn't harm Metal, Shadow flinging pieces of debris can't do anything, yet they do damage somehow. That's a huge durability nerf to metal.
Punch from super knuckles >>>>> Random pieces of a building
My only criticism of Shadow Generations was that they changed the voice of Metal Overlord, Heroes' voice is incredible
It comes with the cast change. And, to be fair, Ray Chase did a good job.
@@LittleAl016 Plus, union stuff. Ryan Drummond did get an offer to return to the role during Colors, but it would've made him leave the union he was part of.
@@Pikatwig16 And there wasn't any loopholes that he could have jumped through? Like being credited under a pseudonym?
@@LittleAl016 Oh absolutely he could’ve done that if he’d chosen to. But he evidentially chose not too, no shade for that at all, man chose to stand by his union rather than take work not approved by it. Actors like Steve Blum and Crispin Freeman are similar, where they won’t work under a pseudonym, and will only do union approved work.
Many actors will do non-union work uncredited or under a pseudonym, like Yuri Lowenthal and Matthew Mercer, but that’s entirely their choice to do so. You can argue the reasons, maybe they feel greater obligation to reprise older roles if they can no matter what, maybe they need the money, or maybe they’re just far more chill about bending the rules than Ryan Drummond was. Either way, Ryan has clearly found his success in union commercial work, and doesn’t want to risk rocking the boat there for a chance to voice Sonic again.
@@TheCoolguymanly Makes sense.
You know a lot of people say shadow is strong as fuck for beating metal over lord in base form but everyone forgets that sonic beat perfect chaos in base form too lol
Yeah sonic characters just get stronger and stronger overtime, classic sonic couldnt hurt metal in CD but now metal is (unfortunately) light work.
To Sonic own defense, he was able to beat Perfect Chaos in base form in Generations while he had to go Super Sonic in SA1
6:35 shadow calling metal overlord an idiot is sending me 😂😂😂
2:44 and they say Ian Flynn puts too many references in the dialogue
Im sorry but the explosion at the end is just funny
This is awesome 😮
"Not you, not Sonic, not anyone!"
I’m pretty sure after Super Sonic defeats him. Knocks him down to the seas to be utterly destroyed by shadow
Incredible
2 Games My Favorite Timelines enemie metal Sonic 🗿🚬🔥
the original metal overlord battle is too epic
Sonic Heroes Forever 💙💛❤️
We gonna talk about how shadow Solo'd metal OVERLORD
Maybe, the actual shadow base form is stronger than the old super shadow
@@pumpkinhead8071 He lives up to his title.
The new fight could be cool but I just hate how Doom Surf controls... it was really infuriating trying to get S rank on him with how drifty and unresponsive the controls with Doom Surf are at times
I think we know which one is better.....
Im just disapointed in few things: the fight not being over clouds anymore, not having a real remix, not having Metal Overlord Jojo reference. ("Chaos control" then throw a boat at U road roller da style)
Well, I think the fight over water is a good substitute. It makes more sense game wise, best save the Doom Wing for Devil Doom
O proprio eggman disse em sonic heroes que mesmo com as Esmeraldas, seria impossível vencer metaloverlor, afimando que só seria possível vencer-lo por um milagre. E o que shadow fez? Praticamente não teve nem um problema em vencer-lo, um tapa na cara do sonic dessa época 😂
Shadow generations is awesome
Sonic character def getting stronger. They needed super to beat Perfect Chaos and Metal Overlord now they can be defeated in BASE form.
Metal's new voice ia a downgrade in my opinion. No hate to the VA, he was just doing what they told him to do, but it didn't feel robotic at all, and just like a regular run of the mill brute enemy voice
Sonic Heroes is actually a game from 2003
the release of sonic heroes in japan is december 2003 and in the rest of the world 2004, thats why i use 2004, but yeah, is correct 2003
NO SHIT SHERLOCK
"erm ackshully" ☝️🤓
@@fishnim1927🪃
I still have the game after all those years playing it
Sonic Hereos is from 2003 not 04.
Shadow defeated metal overlord on his own? So much for “the real superpower of teamwork”