Why the Mavic 3 GPS will never be fixed
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People complaining so much about one factor when the Mavic 3 has so many other good points to consider. Ugh!
That one factor effects the timely manner of shots. When you pay for a premium product you can demand premium performance
Sooo glad that I've been waiting for others (reviewers, etc) to be the Beta testers for the Mavic 3 and new Autel drones. As a member of the drone hobby community it's very frustrating to see fellow enthusiasts opt in early only to be inundated with glitches. Based on this video and other influencers problems (w/ Autel and Mavic GPS) I'm gonna sit on the sidelines w/ my cash.
Good idea, you can buy gas while the rest of us ride bikes to fly our drones, however it will follow me wherever I ride... 😜
They should take the Mav 3 back, change out the GPS chip at no cost to the buyer. or allow us to do a swap out of the Mav 3 for the Mav 3S.
Or swap it out with an M3 with a good GPS chipset. I think they have to do this. Anything else with their expensive flagship prosumer drone is business suicide.
If they bring an S version out in the next 12 months, the ones who bought the original version should get a free replacement. It’s unacceptable.
An S model would be pretty upsetting for a lot of people, particularly with how expensive 3 is and how it's fundamentally a brilliant drone but simply hindered by a couple of very frustrating caveats. At a guess I'd say the S model would have a better tele lens but even a firmware update offering manual exposure controls and raw photos would make it really useful
I dont think DJI will release an S-version. Usually an S-version would be an upgrade like better camera like with the Air2s. Not the case now.
@@ChristiaanRoest79 well the S model is supposed to have a better zoom camera (1" instead of 1/2" from what I read), so that could be their justification of "updated camera".
@@ThomasS17 It would really surprise me if DJI releases a drone with a MFT sensor and an one inch sensor. But who knows. If this is going to happen than i expect the price to be very high. Higher than the current M3 prices. For sure.
I won't be buying any more DJI gear until they can make it through a release cycle without major f-ups.
Glad I never bought the M3. My Air 2S is my workhorse.
same here.
I bought me 2s with rc pro on Amazon.
I'm so happy.
I am waiting for Mavic 3 Enterprise, or the Mavic 3S if I can’t afford the enterprise. 😂
Seriously THANK YOU for taking a stand and stepping up to speak what a lot of people are thinking about it. I have thought from the beginning it was a hardware issue…
Is a piece of s***! I ended up selling mine at a loss! Being an avid dji user, they lost me as a client.
Great video Ken. I do not own the mavic 3 but if I did and they came out with mavic 3s I would be pissed, after spending at least 2k and if they only fixed the GPS etc. I think a lot would be extremely angry. I am so pleased i couldn't afford one with all the issues. Its just not acceptable.
I’m glad I decided to wait.
Here is my take.
If I had the money I wouldn't buy the M3.
I would get the Air 2S and overcome and of it's camera issues, not that it really has any for most work.
If I really had a choice I would get an Autel Light +. Bang for the buck I think it has the best things for the price point.
I also really hate geofencing.
It’s a good take
I'm still having mixed results with GPS lock after the latest firmware update. And if DJI only real fix for this issue is to release another version of the Mavic 3 and leave the early adopters of first Mavic 3 behind, that would be very frustrating for many customers. The EVO 3 Pro could be a very tempting option later this year. Great video Ken, and thanks for sharing.
I don’t have the M3 but it really sucks to see that the M3 is so disappointing to a lot of people. Dji really wanted this drone out so they sacrificed some things to get it out before the holidays. They should have just waited for the reliable gps chips. Great video bro.🤙🏼
Yes absolutely jaded. I also read that if there is a S version they may improve the quality of the explorer camera?
The answer is to do a recall of the Mavic 3 to replace the GPS. To do this, DJI should setup a registration page for owners to submit their information to get the unit repaired. When the registration is complete, DJI should allow access to a prepaid shipping label and establish a date for the owner to send the drone to DJI. This would keep DJI from being overwhelmed with drones and provide a short turn around time for the owner to receive their repaired drone. Additionally, if the owner had care refresh, the coverage start date should be updated to the date the drone was shipped back to the owner.
I just want my Mavic 3 to work the way it’s supposed to. Is that too much to ask? SMH 🤦🏾♂️ I think if DJI came out with a 3S, that had better gps satellite connection, it would be a slap in the face to everyone else who purchased the Mavic 3, or 3 Cine. Just my thoughts. 💭
DJI needs to make this right for everyone who bought a Mavic 3. It happens sometimes in business. Recalls happen and they are expensive. A short term loss by making this right would be a good long term business decision. Otherwise this would leave a very large black mark on DJI`s reputation. They can`t afford to not make it right. I don`t know how soon they can get the good chipsets in though.... Damn scamdemic.
Just an old guy's opinion based on many years experience, when you already have a Mercedes and Lexus, you are less inclined to worry about your long term reputation. Until Skydio, Autel, or another one rips into DJI's lead and market share, they have only a bit of motivation to do a lot of favors. A class action lawsuit is the greatest way to motivate a recall or similar, and so far I don't see that happening.
@@vonheise Good points and from what I`ve observed, the DJI fanboys will simply put up with it. It should hurt future sales though since DJI is no longer the premium drone maker it once was. Maybe it will be again and they will no doubt still dominate the market share.
They really don't have a reason to fix this because while there are others in the drone space, DJI doesn't have any real competition
@@jordanabendroth6458 : DJi may have the most sales but they don`t have a lock on the prosumer class drones. Heck; the Nano+ has a better camera. The E2P too and it`s rock solid stable in the air.
This would not be right to offer a better 3s that has better GPS without offering us replacement. Class action law suit needs to be implemented. I bought a Mavic 3 this weekend
My FPV drones have better gps than the mavic 3 🤣🤣🤣
M3S, are you kidding me! Ken, I didn't buy this drone specifically due to the issue they've had since Day One. I will not accept the first-release drone from DJI or anyone anymore with all their problems. Thank you for your inside!
Right there with you Steve!
Love the videos!
I’ve been so disappointed with my DJI mavic 3. I’m still paying it off and I was hoping for this update to make me not regret it. I visited Chicago henge this year 35 mins before sunrise. Still couldn’t take off the ground. I have to warn people it takes a long time for this to get up and running. Shouldn’t have to do that with a drone at this price tag. Mavic 2 was solid and dependable. Hoping dji doesn’t let us down 🤞
Mavic 3S....S for Sorrrrrry ;)
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or Sh!t happens.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That will be total BS. especially for the price we paid for the M3. this is supposed to be dji flagship drone ffs. they need to fix the issue or come clean with us either way
Maybe it will come with RC pro? Low noise props?? Longer battery life?...
I can set Home Point in 2 minutes ever since the last firmware update. Tried in maybe three or four locations and I never had to wait longer than that. I don't know where you guys are living but I'm glad that I don't have this problem.
Not all of mavic 3 got this issue, It is happened just for some of mavic 3 selling in the market , I got flymore combo version and cine version, my flymore combo version just fine but cine is not.
Ken that article on DJI forum is not factually correct, people are so desperate for info they are starting to make stuff up. The Chipset they are using is the same it’s just the automotive version that has higher compliance requirements for car use.
The UBX-M8030 no matter the version has the same GPS performance. The automotive industry version simply costs more for those applications usually with higher temperature requirements and it’s designed to comply with Electronics Council's various grade specifications including AEC-Q100 Grade 1.
I put a big post on there and he removed it with the thread. 99% of what he is saying is totally wrong.
There is a lot of hype and fake info around this right now it’s getting silly. Yes DJI have an issue here but it’s not a specifically related to that automotive chipset.
This was my full response to him
The M8030 models have the similar internal layout of CPU and SRAM including the amount. The differences between the automotive and professional grade is electrical characteristics for heat , EMI and some other things mostly around reliability in harsh environments such as vibrations and temperatures. Devices labels as automate grade will
Automotive variants are more expensive due to the Additional checks but have no features drawbacks like less rom or ram. It’s a the same Ublox core. DJI do not use GPS memory on board the Ublox chip to store data for smart features. any GPS data needed will be stored in lookup tables in the companion SOCs running the smart shots in ram on DJI side of the Mavic 3. The Ublox chipset is fairly simple in the sense it handles everything and that’s passed out over Uart, USB,I2C or SPI. The Ram and ROM are onboard the digital block in the modules and not externally accessible for use other than writing firmware.
DJI choosing the Automotive variant changes nothing major over the non automotive other than costing them more. There are many ways DJI may have had to change the implementation of the GPS such as not using external ram for storing additional data or changing the Ublox configuration however there is some things people need to understand.
There is a difference between Ublox 3D Lock and DJI GPS Lock. A GPS can be configured to lock at different accuracy levels however that has zero impact on what DJI are telling their flight stack to accept as a valid lock. For instance the Ublox could lock at a HDOP that’s higher than DJI want and they will simply wait for it to drop to the relevant level.
That image being posted around of the Mavic 3 GPS module with the unpopulated area is very likely a second compass or controller for something like beacon, it is not SQI flash as it’s the wrong pin and it’s out side the shielding. The M8030 off the top of my head has 2Mb of onboard flash in all models. While it does not require external SQI flash it is still recommended for certain applications. For instance when using Glonass it’s advised to have SQI flash for additional configuration data. That would be located under the shielding can and not off to the side of the PCB. Remember DJI often make multiple variants and even design it with features they never use due to costing and marketing. This has been the case for many years.
Right now there is no evidence to say they are not using SQI flash, it is recommended for additional configuration data with the likes of Glonass, if they have it would also means they can’t properly use Ublox AssistNow but I don’t see DJI doing that tbh, we just need to see below the can to confirm but I’m expecting it to be there.
There is too much hearsay on this and there needs to be far more proper testing. This may still be a results of the shift to BeiDou but we need proper data, we need to see results from ublox u-center at same time and locationto see what’s going on. We need proper data not just assumptions.
People also need to stop looking at this as sat count, what’s important here is HDOP and how DJI are interpreting the Data the GPS provides. Everyone is looking at the module but that may have zero cause on what’s going on here. The DJI Lock is all on their side, the GPS is simply streaming its data out, what DJI do with that is another matter.
A final note on DJI them selvs, as some know I have many years dealing with them in many different ways, they are a fantastic company however often what is publicly said or share is not based in full realty or fact. Often the people who really can sort issues or need to know about them don’t know and are in siloes. And do not assume for one minute that posts on social media, Facebook and this group even get to the right people either. Most of the support staff responding on there and other places are low level customer services, the odd PM does post but its like walking into the Genius Bar at Apple Store and expecting them to give you details on Apples M1 potential SSD arcatecture issues. Yes the engineers used to swing buy here DJI Forums from time to time and probably still do now and then but DJI has grown well beyond that now for the most part.
It’s very simple overall, DJI have years of designing GPS, but that’s not to say something has not bitten them here, don’t expect public acknowledgements of issues, they never been their way on thinks like this . They will quietly fix it or they won’t and they will move on. History is littered with some DJI products with unresolved issues, I own half of them.
For those not happy with the current gps wait as long as you’re happy too, if you’re not happy return it or more onto something else. Posting here every day for answers won’t get them or change anything, Provide them losses though returns, data and info from logs but understand that may never get to the people who really need it.
Reality as most of us professionals that fly daily… issues were not addressed and if it’s not software than it’s hardware. I fly every day job to job and I see only a marginal improvement and thats grabbing. Straws sadly not going to be an apologetic person in regards to this. I spent shit ton of money on 2 units.. I have every fucking right to be annoyed… so as we say in the states fuck around and find out
This should be more visible as the OP on DJI’s forums was wrong and I realized that after checking the specifications UBX provides on UBX-M8030-KT, UBX-M8030-KA. The internal memory on all of them is the exact same specs and it is used as you stated. So I don't know why they posted all of that when it was easy to verify that isn't true.
However, I did take some interest in some of the posts that showed images of a seemingly missing component on the GPS module for MA2s vs. the Mavic 3. If that component really is missing external SQi flash storage, maybe that’s really the problem. Since Ubx recommends the flash storage when using GLONASS which we know the Mavic 3 doesn’t have enabled, maybe since they were going with Beudou they figured that external memory wasn’t needed? and now they have been seriously bitten by an oversight? Would be great to know what’s up here. Hard to believe though they would prevent themselves from being able to use ubx assistant as you said so even that has holes in it. Curious what that component might mean or not.
All speculation of course, if they do end up releasing an M3S and the GPS issues are fine, there will be a LOT of pissed off customers if no exchange is offered.
@Mad's tech- what you are saying makes no use difference. If a car won't start, one can say it has a broken engine or a broken transmission. Either way, you can't drive what you paid for. It's irrelevant what you believe - I'm more amenable to believing a post that was pulled by DJI.
That’s the thing is there is no Rhyme or reason for the slow performance. If it’s essentially the same gps module. Unless there is some form of EMI shielding issues? I’ve seen this on my Cinelifters and corrected with shielding. Regardless the update feels more like smoke and mirrors than anything
... but then how do you explain that the same hardware with newer software (Dec. 2021) suddenly has poorer GPS performance?
New functions have been added (from the user's point of view), a software bug could have "slipped in". But DJI should find something like that within 100 days, right?
The fact that they still don't get it might indicate that the (many) new functions are to blame...
How could one explain that...?
And another question along those lines: could it mean that DJI is now stopping development of more features for the M3 altogether because an "imaginary" limit has been reached here...?
I highly doubt DJI will release a 3S only to address gps. If so, that would be a ultimate low blow to everyone who purchased the 3.
Of course they won’t, they know the outrage would ensue
They fixed it!
Surely not big enough! But if they improve also the TeleCam, and reduce the purple flare on the main cam….. Ah, and they should REALLY improve tracking!!!!! Time for DJI, to check out for the way Skydio handles tracking with the beacon!
With all this things beside GPS improvement, a Mavic 3S would make sense…
I don’t have sympathy for those who bought it, but I do expect what I pay for to be better than what I had. My brain 🧠 alarms my money nervous system when something cost a lot.
😂
Cannot believe memory may be a reason. Been designing GNSS chips into automotive electronics for many years (being a HW developer) and µblox is one of the best brands you may find in the industry. The grades of chips (i.e. standard, industrial, automotive) usually only refer to the lower and upper temperature levels the chips can cope to stay fully operational, they are guaranteed to stay operational. Normally, consumer electronics has some 0...70 degs celsius, chips for industrial (and sometimes automotive) applications need at least -20...+85 degs celsius and (to be used worldwide) automotive applications may need -40...105 or even higher (125, 150...) degs celsius. In automotive applications you not only take the ambient temperature plus the temperature rise in the electronics housing because of emitted heat into account, you also have to be aware where your electronics is mounted, i.e. engine compartment or attached right below the roof.
As a drone will generate much heat there may be issues if you replace a chip with one of lower specs.
The Time To First Fix ("TTFF") depends on having a) satellite data from earlier sessions stored in the internal flash and b) you know roughly the exact time and date right after powering on, to be able to calculate ahead the stored satellite data to the now-time. If one of the two sources do not work you will encounter a "cold start" which may need up to 12,5 minutes, even with good field of view to the sky.
To enable a GPS chip for "warm" or "hot starts" you have to provide a running Real Time Clock ("RTC") to the chip. This RTC has to be powered all the time, even if the external power supply (here the flight battery) is removed. So you have to add a small buffer component, may be a battery or a capacitor. RTC components need very low currents in the nA or µA range. But if the buffer cap drains to zero the next start of the GPS chip will suffer another "cold start". It then has to find the first satellite to get the time right and then it will be able to calculate, which satellites have to be in the view right now.
The amount of memory to store the satellite data ("ephemerides" and "almanach") is not large, so I would presume there will be no difference between the three chip versions. You just don't need different memory sizes for operation.
So I would think the problems in the Mavic 3 (the long TTFF because of cold start) will rather be found in the RTC buffering or a bad power management that interrupts the writing of satellite data into the chips internal flash, compromising the data for the next warm or hot start. All this might be possible to be corrected in software, but may also need a hardware fix. This depends on the system HW/SW and I think noone outside of DJI will have near as much information to even think of a fix.
DJI gave a detailed answer to a customer on the issue. Some of it is questionable but some makes perfect sense. The FIX requires internet (A-GPS?) and cold boot is after 40 minutes. You said 35 here. That part fits. I get 1.5 -2.5 mins. when near WiFi or hotspot with phone to RC Pro. I would demand a swap if they put out an S that fixed it.
Fortunately I’m getting GPS in about 1:30 from start up to acquiring 13-15 GPS bars but I’m not done testing it because weather here in RI has been crappy but I’m heading to Florida and that will be the real test!!!! I’ll try it as soon as I step off the plane in Orlando! Lol ok I won’t but you know!!!! Lol TBC
I feel they should do a replacement for people who bought it. If they do a 3s .
I think we are pretty clear that DJI has NO interest in keeping customers happy and will do whatever they believe will be best for their bottom line. What happened with the credit for customers that purchased an RC Pro separately when they purchased a Mavic 3? Posted and then retracted later. The GPS update is bullshit. After update, my mavic 3 now takes just as long to lock onto 12 satellites and bounces between 9 and 15 while flying saying that GPS signal is weak - WHILE FLYING. This is outdoor real estate photo shoots - nothing crazy. DJI putting out a Mavic 3S? Sure, they'll do it - the don't care if it pisses off people. Arrogance is what I classify that as.
To not piss off us Mavic 3 owners (I have the Fly More...), they need not release an S model. Their only way out of this is to release a M3 Pro. Focusing on a better/usable tele lens with manual settings and RAW capabilities along with faster GPS of course. Maybe even a color matched RC this time.
I am new with drones and going back and forth with buying Mavic 3, Mavic 2S and new Mavic Mini 3 Pro. I was very exiceted about Mavic 3 and it's paralax effect on tele lens but since there are problems I am not sure now. So I am going to bay Mavic Mini 3 Pro with remote with screen and will buy Mavic 3S later and use remote control with screen. Second option is Mavic 2S + RC from Mavic Mini 3 Pro with screen (not sure if they sell remote separetly), not a fun of using phone as a screen. What do you think shuld I buy Mavic 3, Mavic 2S or Mavic Mini 3 pro or maybe somehow Mavic 2s + RC with screen. I will use it for youtube mostly but I am very sensative to video quality, just hate poor quality video :) Thanks
Feel jaded now shit! Bought the FMC for 3K about 4 weeks ago, shortly after the big firmware update. Initially I was getting GPS locks at 6min, after the most recent update a little over 2min, still not good enough! Read the same article you "d in your video before I actually watched your video and I'm even more disappointed!! Considering returning this wonderful Drone. Then you factor in other things that are going on with software, the f****** controller they gave me!!! Yeah man this is starting to concern me.
Absolute bullox if I spent that price tag on the newest and greatest you best believe that I'm expecting the company to swap whatever chip if they could not do it with firmware update I'm surely not purchasing a different model...... no fkin way! Listen I have the cash but this is principal and if dji wants to remain top dawg their eventually going to have to up their customer service department 10 fold
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Worst Drone I have bought. Out of all the dji drones I have had. Most expensive and I seem to waiting since I’ve had it for them to fix it. I should have waited I put my trust in dji. Never again. I think they should offer an upgrade scheme. So we can upgrade to mavic 3s. If you have a faulty hairdryer fridge television. They do a re-call and replace faulty goods. They should do this with mavic 3 after all it was expensive???.
Richard
Still having problems with GPS.. Definitely considering selling it.. This apparently is not a software issue..
My Mavic 3 acquired 12 satellites and set Home Point in 58 seconds from a COLD BOOT with the newest firmware! The last time I flew it was in December 2021.
Honestly, I do feel jaded by Dji all the way around. Not just the problem with gps but other things as well. In my opinion, they are a backhanded company. So we spend all this money on the Mavic three, only to find out it's basically a dud. Instead of just coming forward and saying hey, we made a mistake with this drone. They just come out with a new model and don't say anything. It's not just that. The signal being dumbed down in these drones is getting ridiculous. They are doing that behind our backs now while still promoting the 6 or 7 miles all because they think you should be baby-sat over the VLOS laws that are completely uncalled for to begin with. More and more restrictions on your own drone. Forced updates to control user's and God knows what else. I Know you said Autel isn't the answer, but in my opinion it is. I think the video quality is better anyway which is what it's really about in my opinion. Great video. So yes, I'm getting away from DJI and going with a more integrally intact company.
Without a doubt, the Mavic 3's camera is spectacular, the battery life is very good, but it also has this problem with the GPS, here luckily it always takes less than 2 minutes to be ready.
But what everyone seems to have forgotten is that to this day we haven't seen 200fps at 1080p in slow-motion mode. The HLG on the main camera and POI on the tele would also be appreciated.
I would get really upset if they would do a Mavic 3S just to fix the GPS... and yes, same issues of GPS as you experienced with the Mavic 3 of friends I have used so far.
If they can cut the price by 1/2 to 1/3rd and still give me the camera…I would pay attention. Otherwise, I am not interested in upgrading from Air 2S. Yeah, I know it won’t happen but the globe needs to have choices in the supply chain, I am sick of over reliance on China.
I think that even 3 minutes to lock is way too much . The mini 2 locks really way faster. It doesn’t make sense a 3000 USD drone is not delivering. Mavic 3s Is not a solution. DJI should recall all Mavic 3 units for chipset replacement !
I think the issue is hardware quality, did not get that issue on my flymore combo version but laterly got that on my cine version,
( I doubt DJI got more than one GPS chip suppliers or difference GPS chips so they got difference in GPS hardware parts on drone and It causes the issue)
since It caused by hardware then It will be never fixed properly by just software update.
p/s: I have both mavic 3 combo and cine version but I have to say gps on my combo version is much faster and more accurate than cine version.
I'm sure you realize all these folding drones are just cellphone cameras using bigger sensors! Whell the lenses are .....let say ...whell you know what I'm getting at!
If they bring the S version to fix this problem, for me this would not be acceptable. A drone sold for 5k with such a problem needs to be recalled by the manufacturer, shipping costs paid by manufacturer. As simple as this. Europe has very strict warranty rules….
The last update didn’t resolve the GPS issue.. So here’s my take… As far as I’m concerned if the M3 can’t take off within the similar time frame of its predecessors it’s a bust. This drone cost twice as much. Yet, seemingly has given us twice the issues as well. I won’t go into the other’s relative to how the drone was launched.. Suffice to say, yes it has a better sensor size and the largest zoom range than any other consumer drone but that means nothing if you have to sit around and wait for satellites. For God sake it’s a camera at the end of the day. The point is that a camera is used to capture the moment. What if you had to wait to use your smart phone camera or your DSLR for over 2 to 5 minutes? Most play this down because this device flies and can provide unique images. However, the glitch with GPS is extremely counterproductive and yes diminishes the overall experience of having this drone. This also creates huge issues regarding its commercial use. We need to be a lot louder about this!
I've been using the Mavic 3 since it came out and had been using an Inspire 1 with the X5 camera and a Phantom 4 pro before. Frankly I really dislike the Mavic 3. Everything about this drone except for the image quality of the primary camera is just cheap. The app even after updates is a downgrade from my previous drones. The text on the screen is to small even on an ipad. The controller is the same one used on cheap consumer drones and there's no way I'm spending $1100. to upgrade. The controller also needs an aftermarket adapter to use anything larger than a phone. You have to put the battery in the drone to charge it but you have to remove the battery to get the memory card out. The secondary camera has lousy image quality and now it turns out the first batch of Mavic 3's with the round camera opening came with an inferior secondary camera to the ones now shipping. The GPS even with the latest update still takes forever to get lock even though it will now get lock in places where it wouldn't before. I regret buying this drone and will probably sell it.
One comment said he believes dji will be able to crack this issue. But, if they put an automotive GPS chip in the 3, that would mean, at least to me, that dji would have to recall all of their sold units and replace every chip. I would be pissed after spending that kind of money. Who wants to buy it used, knowing it has these issues. You might get half the money back of what you originally spent. I am glad I have watched so many of these videos, especially yours, and thank you for your brutal honesty.
OK why do you think the drone industry should be any different than any other industry? Automakers have been selling us cars for years that the only update was a couple new cupholders. I was a little upset when DJI released the air 2S a month after I bought the air 2 but I didn’t cry about it. It’s just the way it is buyer beware. My dad always said never by the first model of anything. I’m really looking forward to not buying a first model and waiting for the goodies. Bring on the S2!
I am sorry but if DJI will charge this amount of money for this aircraft, they need to ensure that the product is FULLY functional and do not have defects of that sort. No product is perfect but acquiring satellite signal in a timely fashion is the basics of the basics, my instincts told me not to buy this drone and I am glad I didn't.
If they come out with a S type hell yea I'm gonna be mad 😠 😡 😤 cause all of this crap should of been fixed and put into this drone instead they wanna come out with a new one that's probably just gonna have a better chip just like you said, you know I use to really really put dji on a damn pedestal but lately it's more of a love hate type deal. I feel that it's all about the money and screw the users of they're product. I'm really disgusted with them at this moment. Not that they give a damn but hey if your reading this dji how about you let those who baught the M3 exchange it for the " M3S " if the rumors are legit come on what do ya say? Gain those hard core fans back. That's my gripe ✌️
I think DJI might use the phone GPS to kick off the drone GPS fix quickly but this would not help when you are using the pro controller, which would be ever more frustrating for the owners of the pro version !
It connected very quickly for me, about 2 mins now after the update and that was a cold boot. It’s better than the previous wait of 5-6mins haha
When the S comes out I along with everyone else will have to eat about $500-600 to sell their piece of shit current model to get the new one. Honestly I lost a whole sunset because of this gps issue. If you’re in a large city forget it you’ll be waiting with update or not.
DJI really blew it with this drone. I've been flying since the Phantom 2 and I feel like the issues and controversy regarding this highly anticipated drone has been terrible. Great image but everything else feels so beta. I wish they would have just done a Mavic 2 with the same camera.
Nice video, as usual! It seems that the 3S will have a 1" sensor for the telephoto lens, and I think it would be almost completely useless because maybe most of the users don't even use the telephoto lens. It would be great if there were a real integration between the two lenses and/or a real zoom, but releasing a new model to fix the problems of the previous one doesn't make sense.
I would feel jaded if I end up paying what I paid for the Mavic 3 and I'm left with a known problem that can be fixed with a relatively cheap hardware upgrade. The upgrade should be given to everyone who got this turkey of a GPS chip. DJI should make this right and fix this issue correctly.
The idea that they have put out a drone that
1.. Wasn’t ready on release
2.. Has issues with satellite acquisition
3. Is a premium purchase.
and puts out another drone that addresses your issue…
Can anybody say bait and switch?
I think Dji made a mistake launching the mavic 3 knowing that it will be an "unfinished" product, and the worst it it's price! We spend so much money on this and now they're coming with a new one to replace it. Dji should recall this drone and give us the new one, or at least let us trade in for the newest version...
Yes Ken I would be super pissed about a S version with improved GPS lock and would look for access to another update and or discount from DJI. My experience has been a marginal decrease in access time to GPS lock.
There is no way DJI is going to replace the 3 for a 3S. You said it yourself, there is no competition for the 3 right now so why would they care if you feel jaded ?
Mads Tech does a very detailed look at the GPS chips. They definitely say there is no different in the chips that are chaimed to be using. Specifly the automotive chips is no different than any other chip being used.
I also heard rumor besides the GPS update on the mavic 3s that the second camera will have a 1in sensor along with a few other upgrades.
I’m waiting for the new gps, long locks no way. Yes they should replace old with new
Is it the Chinese gps satellite system ?
Thts ok not a big deal Airbus 380 always takes time to takeoff’s than boing 737😅😊
What I wonder is did they use that say GPS chip in the new mini 3! If that's the case gonna be a bunch of Madd folks!
Given that the GPS takes 5+ minutes to lock how much flight time do you get with the battery if you say don't turn the motors on wait till it locks then launch.
I trust that DJI will be able to crack this issue. The Mavic 3 is a relatively young release so it's bound to have some kinks. As Billy Kyle said a couple of days ago, once this issue has been solved (and it will) this will be the perfect drone.
Assuming they fix Airsense. And the ghosting issues that break APAS in low sun angles settings, you mean, and add saturation, contrast and sharpness. And fix the telescopic lens lack of manual control. Then it would be "perfect"
Valid speculation on the chips and memory. Bummer to se a compromise on the new Mavic. That's why we buy Dji is to be confident of a quality product that operates properly. They are fucking up a good thing.
It is a giant black mark against the reputation they worked so hard to build over the years. If they don`t fix this then the DJI brand will be no better than Zino or Hubsan.
@@underthedrone2735 exactly well said!
Hey ken john frm fl. I cant find lift off sim on my apple device. Any help. Thanks brother
Yeah a recall would be the right thing to do, My update basically did nothing as it's still 3 to 4 minutes.
I'm so close to buying the 3 BUT now I have to wait. So frustrating
I’m curious what they’d give you if you needed to use a “refresh”
Does anyone have a problem with air sense in the Mavic 3 not working after the last update?
I have started getting quite a lot of disconnects on my m3, anybody any ideas
If they do release a Mavic 3S version, I really hope they take back the old Mavic 3 and give a free replacement to those who bought it.
I don’t see them doing a exchange
@@OriginaldoBo let's hope they do, I'm very bummed up about the GPS issue.
It will only allow you 98 FT if you don't have enough satellites.
A guy named Ian who is familiar with the inner workings of DJI debunked the u-blox conspiracy theory in the M3 group last week and gave an extensive explanation as to why it isn’t true.Not sure if he is/was a DJI employee but he was in fact a admin on their official Facebook page.
He’s just an average person making the same speculations. Only people that truly know is dji
I agree 3K% with you, I have swiched to using Autels (Lite+ and Evo2Pro) for my professional work because of this issue. And in fact, right now my Mavic 3 is on the way to DJI because it crashed against a building wall after loosing GPS signal, that's correct, so the drone initially gained 12 satelites, then when I flew it up an close to the building that I was photographing, the GPS signal was lost, drone started drifting, and a wind gust slammed into a balcony. Nobody was hurt, but the drone was destroyed. I am beyond disapointed at DJI and what they did to the Mavic 3. Them releasing a Mavic 3S is a slap in the face to all of us who bought into this shit drone
About the crash of your Mavic 3: was obstacle sensing on when it happened? And could the building, when it was close, have obscured so much of the drone's view of the sky as to block the signal from several of the satellites being used for the aircraft's GPS fix?
The Devil tempts me to buy a Mavic 3, but bad reports about its GPS fixing may help me to withstand his blandishments till DJI get round to a proper remedy for this shortcoming.
Ken, what about people like me, I am experiencing with the new firmware 1 min to get all 12 satellite, before with the past firmware I was experiencing 2mins does this mean i got a pro chip or the automotive chip? What I noticed with the past firmware is that airsense did not work, I still haven't tested airsense with the new firmware.
Consider your self lucky
I would get really angry Ken. I bought the drone for the full amount from the dji. They should offer us a free change to new GPS chipset. Love the channel pal. Great content. 👌👍
I'm in Canada and I lock under 38 seconds and have 13 sats for the Mavic 3. Flying it gives me 22 sats or more!
Interesting a lot of people in the north having better luck with satellite locks.
I have zero problems with the GPS...
Oh M3S DJI go ____ yourself! Dobo can you fill in that blank for me! I don’t curse lol
I’ll do it for you 🤣
Mavic 3S…”S” for Satellites. Makes sense!
It's absolute b******* , most money I ever spent on a drone, DJI Mini the Mini 2 the air 2 the air 2SIn a mavic 3
When I go up my drone out to catch something A lot of times I am very spontaneous. Some of my best shots were from being at the right place at the right time . Dealing with this has ruined the hole experience, that and dropped signal . Dont trust it .that is a big deal with me
So you’re saying that the chipset is the reason it’s not acquiring satellites fast enough and not that they are not using all of the satellite sets i.e. Galileo Glinass and whatever the American one is called
Let’s look at all the facts if it was software we’d see improvements.
Quick question..... Has anyone noticed since the last update Airsense no longer works?
Yep
I’ll forever be salty unless they offer a trade in.
Are you still having problems ? I just got mine and i'm not having any issues at the moment
Daily issues
My Mavic3 is better than bevor.
Great video as usual Ken. They way I've been able to overcome the GPS issue is to immediately take off after booting without GPS lock, go straight up and hover at 60-70ft, I always get GPS lock within 20-30 seconds even on a cold start. Not sure why this works but it has for me. This may not be the safest way to do it (at the chance you may get a disconnect within those few seconds) but I've been willing to take that risk to save that much time. Give it a shot next time you're on location and see if it works for you. Keep up the great work buddy.
DJI NEEDS TO ISSUE A RECALL. THE MAVIC 3 CINE WAS $5,000 at that price point it needs to work and not have a huge hardware flaw!
Seriously Ken, the Evo Lite Plus is a great choice for a very similar level drone. My time (and I'm sure yours) is too valuable to be used trying to figure out how to get around the (let's face it) defects in an expensive product. I returned my Mavic 3 early on. I am not a beta tester when I pay $3k.
Another great video Ken!