HSE: Jake English, Pt. 1
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
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Hey gamers,
This time, we're taking a look at Jake English--maybe the most misunderstood and well-realized character in Homestuck, in my opinion! As such, most of this episode is taken up by talking about what Jake ISN'T, and the common fandom misconceptions that tend to plague his character.
Next time, we'll discuss what actually motivates Jake English, how he tries to accomplish his goals, and why his approach leads to such immense levels of disaster for him and everyone he cares about. Also, why I love this trainwreck boy so dang much. Hope y'all look forward to it.
Til then, Keep rising!
The art used in the thumbnail is the track art for HS Vol. 9's "A Taste for Adventure":
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More Denizen info at the following essays:
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Find the music on Bandcamp!:
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Sorry 'bout the late upload, everybody. Had some issues getting this one uploaded but I hope y'all enjoy it now that its here!
Yoooo im hyped! So glad to be caught up on your videos
Another great character analysis can't wait for part 2. At 3:24 you have a asterisk mark at the bottom, and I was wondering where your thoughts on the denizens of HS are? Also what are your thoughts on the Homestuck's epilogue(s), and the fact that they are further divided up as a prologue to the epilogue(s) which means we aren't even starting them yet officially. Just like how HS has Acts within Acts within Acts.
Whoops I forgot to link the essays! Put them in the description now.
@@optimisticDuelist thanks and Happy Homestuck Day
No worries! Late or not, it’s still a great 4/13 gift to all Homestuck/Hiveswap fans out there. Nice work as always!
So, basically, Jake isn't dumb, a jerk, oblivious, or a wuss: he's just an everyman who wants to do things HIS way without hurting everyone else's feelings, but it happens anyway because he doesn't think things all the way through and what HE wants isn't always attainable. And when he can't get his way, he runs or hides, because he doesn't like confrontation with his friends. He also doesn't like to admit who he really is, so creates a façade of who he WANTS to be, much like a Knight (except, you know, Knights prefer fight over flight).
If I had doubts about being a Page myself before, I don't now -_-;;;;
God dammit when you put it like that I relate to Jake, and here i thought i was more like Dirk because he's more obviously an ass at times.
Plus one to the Page party I guess
Eh
4:09 My sleep deprived brain spent like 3 minutes wondering if the Horses pulling Abraxis were important, Hussie does have a Horse fixation after all.
:o)
Well horses are commonly used to symbolise forward motion, maybe they're ment to symbolise constant progression or pulling in opposite directions? both feeding back into the duality and adding to the themes
*_F_* *_U_* *_C_* *_K_*
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Page of Hope rights
Ok maybe I should have finished the video before outting myself
No I agree Page of Hope rights
Pages of Hope will rise
Oof I feel ya
is it just me that alwayse saw "brain boyfriend dirk" as jakes hope powers? i believe he could construct him in his head, but i always got the feeling at least part of the reason brain dirk is so accurate (but still much more idealized compared to regular dirk) and knew so much was because he was a manifestation of jakes hope power.
I thought so too. I also felt like it was a callback to Tavros believing if he "just wish hard enough maybe it will become real". Until Roxie finally manifested the Matriorb. All part of a cycle starting in early Homestuck, where characters specifically call magic fake, but the things that happen are indistinguishable from magic.
Jake’s throbbing member clad within his golden thong draws the eyes of the audience in awe. Behold it, and weep.
I-
I can't believe u made me read that
Now now, don't discount that glorious ass. It got on TV again.
I'm weeping alright
There is a single error in this video: _Homestuck_ *Day* is an _inter_-national holiday, not merely a national one! Other than that, brilliant stuff as always :)
I think you meant multiversal holiday
@@sebastiansandoval4861found the troll
So, in more general news: AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA? AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA!
Sorry, I've never been in the fandom while updates were happening before and this is my first shot of that particular form of heroin.
Anyway, Jake. No wait, I'm sorry, ABRAXAS ON A CHARIOT WITH HORSES HOLY SHIT okay now Jake.
Jake, both English and Harley, are absolutely at the center of Homestuck's Lore. Harley was the lynchpin of the backstory in the Pre-Scratch universe, and English is the lynchpin that connects the Cherubs to the Post-Scratch universe (and the plot as a whole), as you say. He's the fulcrum the plot turns on, which might explain why we only really see the downward arc of his personal development. That, and Hussie cares more about currently active plot than background lore no matter how much of the latter he shoves into the story with a funnel.
Also I can't fucking believe even Post-Scratch Jade's job was raising a god frog.
Anyway, Jake is a perfect case of gender study because he's inherently intelligent, sensitive, and caring, and he dedicates all his waking hours to not being any of those things (beyond a bluff, cinematic sort of offhanded friendliness) because he has to be a Manly Man and Men Aren't Those Things. You've also quite accurately described him as doing to Jane what "redpills" *think* women do to them constantly, which its own weird kind of reversed-gender concept.
Man, not to appeal too hard to your crossover interests, but this guy would fit right in with a certain Abraxas-referencing student council, huh? Right down to the fact that it's ultimately worldly circumstances and social expectations that make him use his abilities in the way he does instead of just being honest or normal.
When you were talking about how wimpy Jake was I thought “yeah even John is more manly than him” but then I came to a realization John is probably the most “Manly” character in Homestuck beating Claiborn in a fight and even having a dad that is unnaturally strong so much so that his strength transcends universes
the part about Callie and Dirk being the only two of his friends ot not insult his intelligence aged like a fine wine. over a week. are you secretly a time player?
You're my headcannon John voice.
omg, that fits so well!
I still weep when I think of what the Epilogues did to Jake.....
jake is best boy (in my opinion)
I love Jake very much so I’m really glad you made a video on him! He’s also my favorite
The homestuck epilogue fits so well with this video going out today
It's the Prologue to the Epilogue, not the Homestuck Prologue.
Lol how did i confused those words? Thanks anyways :3
THANK YOU FOR THIS EPISODE!!! Jake is SO hard to read and hated by most people so this is a really useful episode to refer people to! :D
Watching these flashes without knowing the story sure did took me a while that Jake and John are different people.
THIS IS ALL IVE EVER WANTED FOR YEARS
Every single time I glance at Homestuck, I'm hit with a heaping pile of external mythology and symbolism, and I just can't believe there's so much.
The fact I can enjoy a video on a character I don't care for, mearly because of who is presenting it, tells a tale of how much I like the narrator.
Also because knowledge is power and you always deliver the behind the scenes knowledge everytime. :^)
HAPPY 4/13 WE ARE ALL TRASH :D
ive always loved jake but have no been able to put his character into the right words - ty !!!
I am SO glad you're making a video on him! Jake's my favorite too, for many reasons. When I first read Homestuck, I hated him; in the course of rereading and trying to analyse him, as well as trying to read others' interpretations on him, I found him to be much more interesting than I first thought.
I tried to see why I hated him so much in the first place, and I found out I had much more in common with him than I previously thought - or that I previously did not want to admit.
I am very excited to see your next video about him! You're doing such a great job analyzing and explaining stuffs; can't wait
I always really related to Jake. That’s why he is also my favorite character.
Im loving this video a lot! Jake was also one of the characters I disliked initially, but ened up loving afterwards. One of the reasons I ended up loving him so much was because I could really sympathise with him and his struggle. That you can really feel the emotional crisis he's going through.
After watching the video, its made me think that maybe Jake didnt just manipulate his friends to get what he wants, but also manipulated the audience (as a character) to see him in the light he wants to be perceived as
MY FAVORITE CHARACTER YEEEAHHHHHHHH its like my BIRTHDAY up in here. optimistic thank you you are amazing
I have a friend who has the same classpect. Watching this video made me realize how similar she is to him.
Keep up the good work = :D
Wait, are you establishing Witch as the Active Counterpart to the Page?
That's... different, if so. The way I always heard it was that Witch/Heir are the counterparts to Seer/Mage- magic executed actively rather than passively. Where as Thief/Rogue is that actual counterpart to Knight/Page- Skills used to uphold rules vs. skills used to circumvent them.
I can't take it anymore, I need to know how you got god teir. I am seconds away from exploding, running to my sister's room and stealing her laptop so I can write a story about it.
Just. Because. I. Can't. Settle. MyBrain!
OH BOY 5:51 IS AWKWARD AFTER BOTH OF SAID FRIENDS IN THE EPILOGUES SAY THIS AS NARRATORS:
"[Calliope] directs the powerful vacuum of her hollow glare towards the total idiot. She regards [Jake] for a moment, radiating a sense of disdain for what may very well be the greatest living source of ignorance she has ever encountered in her many eons of existence." - Ultimate Calliope, Candy Page 21
"Jake falls quiet for a moment as his pitiful pea brain struggles to process the shocking information." - Ultimate Dirk, Meat Page 39
Ultimate Calliope and Ult!Dirk are both considerably removed from the friends Jake actually grew up with, but yeah its still pretty rough!
I figured that was the bad fanfic side of the epilogues not understanding jake as most people do
not even the whole analysis is out yet but i already like Jake way more than I used to before lmao
You know what other mythological figure had two snakes on his body? Zahhak
Incredible, there might be a character in Homestuck named after him. But we might have to look very hard. I couldn’t figure out a joke way to fit equis’s name in this sentence so whatever.
jake gigachad manipulator
This actually was present in problem sleuth as well to a lesser extent, the dames were definitely played as a laugh and as a juxtaposition of our gender stereotypes in reality.
Jake was a runnaway survivor,a bad father,a loving grandfather
Rip
Don't forget Hussie's commentary in the books shows himself shit talking about Jake.
Thought id watch this video after Jake's update in Homestuck^2
Jake is just such a lovable dork tbh
this video is great. jake is not my favorite character but hes pretty high up there and it makes me sad when people misread him and underestimate him
I once made a League of Legends meme account where I only played blue ladies (and Karthus, because skulls).
Jane's shirt design looks like a character from Problem Sleuth
Homestuck has been around for ten years. Makes me feel old. Not as big a homestuck fan as I used to be, but I never would have found all of the webcomics I have if not for Homestuck. Even then, there's still a lot about Homestuck that I do like.
jake english rights. i fucking love all the kids.
This is the best video ever made and you can't change my mind.
Youre both hope players so...
Thats what i was thinking
I was too much like Jake while growing up (and still probably am in some aspects) and each video about him feels like a personal attack tbh.
@@hangmanxo8332 bruh I don't even know
I know it's not related to anything but what's the music that starts at 5:44? It's driving me nuts that I can't find it, it's such a bop
While agree on some points on Jake like him being more aware than he presented at times, I disagree that he's manipulative. About him "knowing" about Jane's feelings I don't think its fair to assume he knew for sure he even states that he had a feeling about these sort of things but wasn't 100% on it. Not to mention the conversation he had with Jane was Roxy's idea. And as for the conversation all got to say that Jake didn't do anything wrong he told her at the start what the topic of the conversation would be which she agreed to take part in and she had multiple opportunities to clear the air about her feelings, Jake even asks her again to make sure and she lies and says she has no feelings for him and encourages him to go to Dirk.
ugh i hate jake. -_- he is actually me, and i thought id like a clone of myself but whoopsie guess not. you know whats hilarious tho? i read homestuck BEFORE i made the exact same mistakes jake made... smh ill never learn i guess
Here’s something I’d like to lay down. Sure Jake may have the most potential out of any classpect period, but that potential only really comes out after everything’s been said and done, if this was a “normal” session with no sign of L.E in sight, that makes it to where Jake doesn’t accomplish anything of note when everything is said and done before he can step in, but Dirk is there to provide him with that chance. A chance that he will most likely fuck up and will lead to Dirk hating himself more for putting Jake in harms way. If a page of hope was put into a static session where everyone can get stuff done much faster due to how their way of growth works, where does that leave a page of hope. Mear baggage that’s what. Can you tell that I somewhat despise the wannabe that is Jake English.
Saw the stream from the start was funny ad and was excited about the update
Oh no you can't let me hang on this I need moar infooo
Also I’d like to say that your descriptions of Page fit very well with my idea of Page as a passive class, where “passive” rather than meaning ‘for others’ means ‘to invite’ because he invites service from others rather than actively serving others, (also he invites others to serve their hopes by giving the ghosts hope when he defeats LE in the Masterpiece)
Passive means both "For others" and "to invite", according to Calliope. There isn't much reason to discredit the one definition in favor of the other when you get a fuller idea of what active/passive mean from using both. And Knights regularly invite their Aspect as much as Pages do (Karkat dropping Sollux down the stairs and drawing his blood to his benefit is my go-to example). These are factors I've taken into account before coming to my conclusion wrt Pages being active and Knights being passive.
optimistic Duelist ah, I see! I had forgotten about what Calliope said, that makes sense
@@flamingnewt3339 Both approaches ("Pages serve themselves, Knights serve others", and "Knights serve actively, Pages passively invite service") make equal amount of sense. It's one of those things we just can't know for sure unless Hussie tells us directly.
oh boy, epilogues wrecked this, huh?
Literally not even remotely, no
This is why Jake is my favourite Charavter
hell yes another video
I love your videos I understand HS in a more significant way because of you tysm ;] and happy late 413 10th anniversary y'all trash fellas
You have had one busy day today! :D
Your videos are incredible and I hope you never stop.
The more videos on the characters of Homestuck I watch more I realize that I'm in roleplay hell
Jakes on the bottom of my character rankings by far, but maybe you'll change my mind ;)
Hi uhhh, should I read Homestuck? It seems pretty good from what I've seen but I don't know if I should
OOOOOOOOH
Hemera as in Ημέρα
Now I get it
Mmm, this watered down some of the hate I had for the character and made me see him in a total different way. Although he is still one of my least favorite characters in the comic.
*breathes in* YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
ah a vid about the biggest himbo in homestuck,
Happy 4/13
Th3 man th3 myth th3 li3g3nd
Jake English!!! 😍😍😍💀🔫💚
what was the music used in this video?
They're in the descriptions! Sorry we missed the music cards this time.
optimistic Duelist thanks much
HAPPYHOMESTUCKDAY!
I'm a Heir of Time! Any other time players here?
Here!-
Ur videos are fucking awesome and i love you
*International Holiday
I think you’re assigning a bit too much purpose this Page’s actions. I personally believe his classpect is doing all the real legwork for him (causing others to serve him in a relationship sense) and that he’s just riding that out
Classpects are just descriptions of what their subjects do. This is kind of like saying Link doesn't do anything and is just riding out his title as the Hero of Time or whatever, the reason he's titled that way is the stuff he does. This is an utterly backwards way of looking at Homestuck/Classpects as far as I'm concerned.
I suppose but i do believe there is an element of destiny that is out of the control of the subject like how Vriska stoke the spotlight in coming back to life but she didn’t actually do it herself
@@thehyperdymond3067 It's not a matter of destiny. The classpect is not some external concept that affects you - it is the description of your essence, of who you are, and how you affect reality.
I just feel like both of these things can be true at the same time
Epilogue.......... Out.............. Yes...............
Have you seen the tags to the epilogue.
Are you as worried as I am?
Yes and no, I'm just excited. Homestucks back.
Gabriel Shepard Wait what?
Keep up the good vids ^^
WOW...
Denizens aren't the actual entity they are named after.
no shit, sherlock, but they do have mythological symbolism that's recurrent throughout the webcomic. eg: The denizen Cetus isn't a literal whale that eats people including the prophet Jonah, but there is gnostic/Christian symbolism involved that validates that specific denizen as part of Rose's thematic symbolism and the light/void aspect dichotomy. The same in Jake's case with Abraxas's presence as his denizen
So... Prologue to the Epilogues. Apparently that's a thing.
Da BOY!
Your cool
happy 413
I hate Jake because I identify with him in some ways
Oh, *i'm early.*
The epilogue disagrees
I don't think the choice to focus on the emotional struggles of the guys in HS is a subversive choice. The Strong Female Character thing is just an excuse to ignore girl characters and flatten them while still having an out if anyone calls your work unfeminist.
I think implying that characters like Rose, Roxy and Terezi don't have their emotional struggles explored is an uncharitable reading of Homestuck and a disingenuous reading of the case I'm making. I was pointing to general trends, not hard binaries. Ardata has a breakdown and talks about her feelings in Friendsim, for example--being a girl whos arc explores feminine aggression pretty openly doesn't mean she's flat or that her inner world is ignored.
Yeah that's a pretty compelling and well-though-out reading of him. Kinda patronizing to call it the "correct" interpretation of him.
But what else can we expect from a hope player than for them to push their beliefs as fact.
he’s also my favorite character
it’s totally not because i relate to dirk or anything noooo not at all ahaha what are you talking abouttt 🤨🤨🤨
K
Wait Jake is bi?!??
He literally kissed dirks disembodied head in the comic, yeah he's not straight
@@strawbearydreams but he has show a possible sexual attraction to a girl
@@Joyoustar Yes he likes both. That's kind of what being bi means.
@@thisdraco4794 yeah I should know I am bi and have dated both guys and girls
@@strawbearydreams yes that what I am asking i. The first place is this man bi and do we need to add if it's not on the wiki
Dang sixth view, I’m early
*Cough* *cough*
Epilogue
OH MY GOD! HE IS JUST ASEXUAL! YOU PAIN!
??? He's clearly bisexual, my dude. I'm ace and even I can tell that he ain't ace
@@lazyperfectionist3978 are you an ace male?
@@voidprince2257 nope, ace NB person. Still doesn't mean jake is ace either
Good enough by say ing that you proved my point your not asexual.
@@voidprince2257 - are you gatekeeping being asexual simply because I'm not a dude??? The fuck is wrong with you. Sexuality isn't gender exclusive, and that Jake english has time and again shown sexual attraction to both men AND women, hence he is bisexual. Asexuality is no sexual attraction, and gray aces vary in sexual attraction in general
please pronounce things correctly. cherub is pronounced like chair-ub and deity is pronounced like dee-ə-tee with three syllables. your mispronunciations are very distracting.
man, i feel a connection with Jake right now.
👏Fuck👏yes👏!!! Happy 4/13 lads
Happy 4/13