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Funny making this video as your biggest "Hiphop Rapper" is Drake for the past 16 years, A Canadian actor that raps and sings 🤔.I suppose you are happy if someone pretends to look and sound like you then you are comfortable.
I don't want to be rude but this is an American problem. The self centered culture makes you learn about other countries and cultures only through memes and jokes. The rest of the world has no issues learning about UK's culture and appreciate it as it is.
It’s not even about UK culture, it’s straightup the accent. That’s it. We are well aware that there is British gang culture and some very rough parts of the UK, but the accent is mostly associated with posh snobby tourists or childhood figures like Mary Poppins due to UK media.
@@52andattitude48 That's my point. The fact that American media STILL jokes about the Mary Poppins accent tells me they don't consume enough media from the UK to be talking about it. Can you imagine the rest of the world joking about the US and using the old timey gangster accent from the 50's? That would be incredibly dumb, right?
Uk rap is only being clowned in the Us, the fact that people thought Big Shaq was a actual rapper says a lot about the people that think like that 🤣🤦🏿♂️
it's not an artificial ceiling it's a self inflicted destruction of reputation. UK rap or grime was born out of the rave and dance culture, everyone was welcome, everyone enjoyed it and supported it. Then it started to isolate itself with racism and bigotry, along with other general man child behaviours and eventually alligning with movements such as blm which promoted exclusion and division as well as arrogance. basically the angry man children told everyone to f off so they did. But being angry man children desperate for the attention that they never had from their absent farthers. They used their money from drug dealing to promoted their circle jerk into the mainstream for all to suffer in a giant daddy look at me. But much like US rap most people have a brief look and think thats retarded theres better things to be doing.
Sorry but this is such a strongly Americanised view. On one hand when artists try to accommodate to the American market that's seen as cringe or disingenuous, but if they don't and they stay loyal to their roots they get their accents clowned? Alright then.
Exactly. And the world is bigger than America. The days were New York and LA were the mecca of music and movies are gone. Now the world is too connected for anyone to give af about America.
are you talking about the topic or the video? because the video was pretty objective on why UK rappers have a hard time breaking into the US market. he never said that they MUST accommodate the US market. not american btw
@@rafdizon8416 I get that, but the video is also titled "It's time to be honest about UK rap", and all it really talks about is commercial success in the US. I don't think that's very honest.
That's why I feel blessed to be South African. I get to listen to Hip-Hop from here, the US, the UK and sometimes from the rest of Africa. Hip-Hop will never die for me coz I get fed so many different styles of it in so many different languages with never ending stories.
Yet the rest of the worldwide drill scenes emulate it far more than any american drill scene. From france to australia. Name me 10 uk drill rappers since you seem to know it well enough to judge.@@teezyfrmda5th357
1. Spending 25% of the video talking about Tim Westwood and Ali G is worse than us saying that Vanilla Ice represents U.S. HipHop 2. 99%+ of UK rappers are not trying to sound American 3. American acceptance isn’t a measure of success 4. Some Americans use the English language then laugh at the accent they remixed many years ago 5. Believe it or not, the USA is a very small part of the world 6. If Aries Spears doesn’t like the British accent through rap, he shouldn’t listen to it 7. SO MANY big UK rappers of today were not mentioned 8. If anybody is looking for KSI or comedians to hear UK rap, then they are far off reality and shouldn’t even bother search anymore
1. The point is those two are top of the list when people think of UK rap, Vanilla isn't because the US turns out countless bigger rappers and doesn't hype up satirists as the UK does. 2. He explicitly said that. He said that UK rappers trying to sound American was a rare and past thing but it DID exist. 3. When Americans run the majority of the rap industry yes, it is. Just like Indian acceptance is a good measure if you're making Bollywood style movies, or French acceptance for making French cusine 4. Buddy don't try to make the "its OUR language" thing when it's equally as ours. Thats how language transmission works. You don't speak the same English as the English people of the past, are you using "their" language? The Normans irreversibly changed the complexion of the English language in an immense way introducing French and latin components that account for over HALF of the current language. Do people from Northern France get to say that you're using "their" language and you can't bad mouth the French? No nation "owns" a language, people do, and those people aren't only in one area. 5. But we've created practically every major genre being played currently from rap, pop, to rock, which is why success in America is such a big deal. Just because this is an area where the UK can't glaze itself doesn't make it not valid. 6. Valid. 7. For a reason, they're big in the UK but not the US. This video is about the international perception of the UK, particularly in the US. 8. Why are those rappers getting such play? If its not for paucity of quality insular rappers then it must be because the UK as a culture doesn't respect the art as much as the US, which hypes up serious rappers first and foremost. In which case you shouldn't be surprised that a country that considers such a genre as silly and mockery-worthy isn't big internationally, let alone in the country that created the genre. I want the UK to be big too bro, from what I've heard they're great but reality needs to be faced first instead of with defensiveness. I love the massive variety of American cuisine from 12 hour long smoked BBQ, to soul food, to gumbos and other creole/cajun dishes. They're deep in both culture and flavor, but I'm aware that because of how much play fast food gets people don't think of that they think of McDonalds and fried things. I accept that, you need to do the same.
Knock it off brody. Y'all get clowned by us because you copied every damn thing we've created musically from jazz to rock&roll to hip-hop. You sound goofy talking about American acceptance isn't a measure of success, and that's why 99% of your "stars" couldn't fill a basement club in The Bronx!
Honestly I don’t think UK rappers care what Americans think - to use an American word you sound “corny” when trying to make fun of other people’s accents as if Americans don’t have strange accents lol. Westwoods fake American accent was actually corny to us in England but I guess Americans liked it?
Little Simz has one of the most consistent discogs of any rapper over the last 5-6 years The fact that she's considered 'niche" is so sad to me Also can we stop treating hip hop like a monolith as a genre You won't ever see rock fans compare metal rock to hard rock to post rock and prog rock There's room for all of this shit here. IDK why people gotta compare Dizzee Rascal to Drake or Stormzy to K.Dot or whatever silly comparisons people have
I’m a musician. I’m not British. I’m African. But we don’t make music for Americans to get. The music is by us and it’s for us. The same way American music is for Americans and by Americans. It doesn’t matter if an artist never pops off in the states. What does matter is that he is celebrated in his homeland.
UK rappers breaking the US might give them more accolades, but the foreign opinions aren't relevant or even really valid since they don't understand the culture here.
@@miamitten1123 J Hus, Headie One, K Trap, Nines, Giggs, Potter Payper are all up because *WE* rate them. A lot of them might not even be able to go US for shows due to priors, but careers are booming still.
why does uk rappers have to care how we feel? slowthai is one of my favorite rappers, I pray people like him, stormzy, tion wayne, headie, dave, knucks and etc dont change their style for us.
@@dontreplytome5665Well that’s on them. They sound like WNBA players bitching about pay. If the product is good, people will buy and support it. It’s that simple. UK rappers can’t be mad that the USA just doesn’t fuck with their sound like that to go mainstream here. There’s plenty of international genres and foreign artist, including ones from UK that succeed here. It just so happens UK rap isn’t one of those genres 🤷🏾
@dontreplytome5665 okay? All I'm saying is I don't want them to change for a market that needs them to blend in to be accepted. do your own thing; music is still a form of art and expression of individuality. if they want the American market, then be like central cee and drake.
Some Americans really thought Big Shaq was a real ting that's hilarious. Wonder if they still think Sherlock Holmes was solving crimes back in the good ole 1900s
Im black. My people created rap music. And I love it. So I think my opinion matters in this conversation. I’m not usually the guy to pull the race card, but this take feels kind of racist to me. I understand how some people feel about UK rap. I feel the same way about Spanish rap. I can’t stand Spanish rap music, it’s annoying. I hated Bad Bunny until he became a professional wrestler, but I’ve never thought about kicking him out of the rap industry because I don’t like his music. I don’t think it’s fare to exclude people from a genre because you don’t like how they sound. If you don’t like it, don’t listen to it.
@@tengoodquestions judging by his ora, I'm not surprised. He kind of reminds me of that (Saville?) guy over there. He was an old celebrity & graped handicapped ppl
@@TheOutlawed1000 lies, the FBA are always crying about who did what first, they hate anyone hispanic or black who are not considered FBA the deny biggie buster and sany hiphop pioneer with west indian roots...
@@TheOutlawed1000 Well maybe you should have something to prove then you can stop making trash like you have been in recent years don’t matter if it’s music or movies or tv shows Hollywood ain’t the same it’s legit falling apart like just stop with all this woke bs. The new joker 2 movie how the fuck y’all mess that one up?
Even if you're American and you think UK rap is goofy/corny or whatever: at the end of the day, UK rap stars _are_ building fanbases, _are_ becoming millionaires, _are_ building generational wealth, telling _their_ stories, making music _their_ way. Get your accent jokes off, but it's weird to hate on that premise or label them inferior copycats -- If anything they're being super creative weaving rap with garage, grime, dubstep, drum&bass, house & afrobeats : opposite of copying Americans. I'll never hate on (mostly) black people building generational wealth and a brighter future for themselves through their art.
Yeah. They or British ppl shouldn’t care or worry about our opinions. I personally can’t listen to British rap but it ain’t for me. Just like heavy metal isn’t for me
This. Rap started in america and Tupac was its apex, but UK artists tend to be much more creative with beat production, tend to have more meaningful lyrics and don't sound like toddlers mumbling in their sleep. America started the fire but then put it out. Uk is keeping that fire burning
As a Londoner, most London rappers speak in a social register (sociolinguistics) that most people grow out of or abandon by adulthood. The difference between register and accent is that register covers ones grammar/choice of words rather than ones pronunciation. A rapper like Central Cee is 26 years old, but maintains the social register and grammar of a teenager speaking to his friends in the school canteen... Then you have a UK rapper like Bugzy Malone, who raps in his distinct Mancunian accent, but his choice of grammar and his social register are that of a true storyteller, like Jay-Z.
The first actually nuanced take I found in the comments and it's full of insight, both social and firsthand. Why is this not higher up in the comments? Schlock sadly.
Been a fan of British rap forever, even back when it was just Grime America didn’t get it. That sucks, but art is art. I’m just lucky to be able to enjoy it.
I feel you brother, I feel like when ppl can compete they say this like that, bro I am in US and some time I can't even understand what the US rapper are saying, I and fully understand what the UK rapper them is saying in the rap, but what I also feel! I think they just scared that the UK rapper will take over, so hey push them to the back of the line in US..
I'll be honest, I'm American and UK Rap is pretty dope if you know how to actually decipher the bars. It's not for everyone, but that doesn't mean it sucks. To each their own.
As an American who happens to actually like UK Hip Hop, I can understand how it's hard for many UK emcees to break here in the US. You have to be REALLY open-minded in getting pass the accents and dialects to realize they have dope hip hop music there like we have here. To keep it really 💯, many people here in the US are barely open minded to other US rappers that happens to be underground or different from the mainstream, so how will they be open to give a British rapper a shot? The UK is very underrated with a diverse group of talented rappers varying different genres: commercial rap, Grime, UK Drill, and even boom bap/traditional hip hop. Maybe one day there will be someone that rise above and across the pond.
Stormzy is fire! I love that album "Heavy Is The Head". The UK and Canada's rappers need to work together more because culturally they're more alike than the US due to the commonwealth. The immigration patterns are the same so certain slangs are shared.
The US tends to vehemently mock any culture that isnt the US. So we brits dont take it personally, y'all are just more insular than the majority of the world. Its almost baked into the American mentality to be closed minded, and myopic and have a view of life in other countries that is composed entirely of stereotypes and memes.
UK hip hop is thriving. Wretch 32, Stormzy, Avelino, Little Simz, Loyle Carner, Ghetts, Knucks, Kojey Radical, Kano, ENNY, D Double E, Dave. List goes on. Like British artists need validation from Americans. The world is bigger than just the USA
i'm british, and most of our artists sound the same i see everybody bigging up stormzy but he got out freestyled by a 9 year old, we do need validation from the states as when you say whos the biggest rap stars top 5 dead or alive aint one of them british for the majority of the world. im also from south where bass music was birthed and have mc'd up and down the country as well as rapped so i am a veteran in the game and you definitely have got some top tier artists listed, i agree with most but the levels ain't there compared to usa simple.
@@benboyce1900 no shit, american actors, musicians and any other artists are more likely to become popular even if they're shit due to the fact that america is massive
American rappers want us to appreciate blueface and not talented UK rap, what does accent got to do with talent? We got UK, French and African rappers making better music that resonates with the world
@@hamadmahmood1879 I like Burna Boy he’s got good music I have some of his songs in my work playlist 😎 I ain’t heard of the other artist you mentioned tho so might have to check em out, but you might like Protoje, Popcaan & Koffee that’s if you ain’t heard of them ones before you might have I got no clue 😬😎
The UK doesn't need our approval because once upon a time, there was a region in America that wasn't taken seriously. We treated this region like it was a joke, just like we're doing the UK. That region is the South, and that region is why hip hop isn't dead like rock n roll. So who's to say that the UK just may become the next South? Please make a video about the second slept-on region at one point in the midwest.
that’s because most black people live in the south and most classic hip hop samples trace their roots their. But don’t neglect Chicago and their creation of drill.
@@theoplunkett5262 drill music was created in Chicago not the UK. We don’t gate keep our culture so you think your music is “authentic”. Why not create your own genres of music and stop stealing our culture and pretending it’s authentic!
@calaragazza3556 I know drill was US made. No genre of music exists in a vacuum, hip hop started in the bronx and then the west took that and made their patented style. The uk did the same thing with drill but it's still our authentic style.
@@theoplunkett5262 nothing about UK hip hop is authentic. That’s like people from the U.S. doing Hindi music and calling it authentic. It would be called cultural appropriation. You can’t say the original sound’s corny. That’s just disrespectful. You can’t steal someone’s culture and then call it corny at the same time while you are just cultural appropriating.
@@playercore7444 grime music is a subcategory of garage music that was created in Chicago. The UK was inspired and just copied like all our genres of music are copied worldwide.
I'd put Lowkey, Akala, and Mic Righteous up against any of these "relevant" U.S. rappers. If we're talking about skills. - Sincerely, a fan from the States, who's a fan of those 3 incredible emcees.
yeah but these guys don't make like good songs like sone guys such as dave or potter payper can so unless Americans are rocking heavy with actual uk culture these guys will never blow but tbh i dont care we dont need validation
@hamadmahmood1879 like I'm not dissing jcole as such he is a good rapper but I heard lowkey back in like 2010 (sound track to struggle is a amazing album came out 2011) and I just didn't get the hype around jcole because I listened to jcole much later. Though I would say immortal technique is pretty close in terms of us rappers.
@@purrfitazitgetz3365 I didn’t say all his streams but I feel you though. Central cee is gaining a lot of traction from America due to his collaborations with US artists for sure 👌🏻
I agree. The rap I listen to now are people like Lowkey, Dave etc. I like rap that has something to say and the era of the 80s and 90s with Public Enemy, Mos Def, Nas, KRS one, etc will always be my jam. I liked the early fun stuff too - no one can start a party better than the originals.
Rap is on life support in the US, the UK is keeping the culture alive. American exceptionalism isn't believeable anymore, you don't lead any culture like the 80s/90s.
bro acts like kendrick, j cole, school boy q, tyler the creator, benny the butcher, 21 savage, vince staples, logic, bigxthaplug, thatmexicanot, big sean, eminem, YG, benny the butcher, lupe fiasco, and denzel curry dont exist... every single one of them dropped albums this year and not a single one of them mumble or use auto tune... yall just dont be looking for the right artists. the only rappers still mumbling or using autotune is future, lil uzi, playboy carti, lil yachty and tirppie red.. that shit died out in like 2018-2020 idk why mfs keep bringin up autotune/mumble rap like thats still a thing that we really just slappin fr smh
I'm from Switzerland and I'm proud to see European Rap thrive as hard as it's right now. Central Cee over here has such a big status, it's reminding me of Fifty back in the days. You guys in the US should definitely not sleep on UK and generally on European rap, especially in France, UK and Italy.
In fact, with the US audience continuing to bash UK artists, I'm seeing more UK artists seek collaborations with other European artists instead. The best part is, the European audiences tend to always be more open with this type of stuff (atl from what I've seen).
the slang/accent thing is really important though. Every rapper should be talking with their own local slang, thats what makes it unique and beautiful. Its also one of the things that I miss about golden age hip hop. when every region had its own sound and unique set of lingo. British rap needs to remain true to itself and stop worrying about what sells in the US.
it is though. I hear British rappers rapping in their own accent using their own slang.The labels want more money from exporting it stateside so _they_ wanna crack that formula. I don't think the average UK rapper is obsessed with marketing themselves to Americans. In fact, if they're too americanised, they would likely be rejected by Brits for being inauthentic & "too American".
UK rap is thriving rn I promise you. There’s a whole underground scene here making some of the best music I’ve head in recent years, and the rest of Europe is joining us in it, and of course some of these songs see huge success. Now u got recent stars like Nemzzz popping off around the rest of the world
To be fair most non American rappers have an extremely hard time breaking into USA. America likes American things, we're extremely insular. You have to have VASTLY HIGHER QUALITY material for us to pay attention, basically superior to our own. Best example: Anime >>Cartoons, Japanese VIdeogames>>>>US-based Videogames.
@Xcyper33 yup, American supremacy is a real thing. The red scare in the cold war set Americans back decades on engaging with anything non-American, it's almost terrifying to hear how little Americans know about the rest of the world
@prodbysincerity nah.. sorry some of it is racist and xenophobia, a lot of good quality rappers and producers from other countries but americans dont accept it because it's a diff accent or a diff language
The US hip-hop is very small minded when it comes to outsiders with skill. What sucks is that the UK always stayed true to lyrics, cyphers, and the underground.
Any rapper that can't be marketed towards kids with product placements gets the boot in the US, that's why all their franchise rappers they brag about nowadays are pop clowns while non-american countries have more true to the core & skillful scenes than the US has had since the 90s... just simple facts
Im in michigan and plenty of us listen to a lot more grime and UK rap than people think. I think people only see america as the major markets (NY, LA, ATL) and then speak for hip hop not accepting them. Those markets dont really like anyone that isnt conforming to them. Its not really the US hip hop scene, its an issue with the major markets. Club music in america has been going strong outside of those markets, in fact, thats really the only version of a hip hop market in most places outside of those major markets. Thats why Drake did a jersey/baltimore club record without any of those pioneers, or ASAP blew up with the houston sound with harlem voice. I get its frustrating, but it's also frustrating getting our own country to acknowledge regional club and rap scenes. Its an industry issue, not an issue with hip hop itself. Stay blessed!
@@decemberholiday3488 I didn't say all, I'm not even saying most, just that a lot of people do, and some people have been listening to it for years (like Danny Brown he mentioned). My point in bringing up Michigan is that the industry doesn't even put us on, unless NY, LA, or ATL mess with you, and we live in America. So it's not gonna be different for the UK artists
Don't mix up UK hip hop with grime music. You want UK hip hop, listen to Skinnyman - Council Estate of Mind. You want grime, listen to K9, Visionist - Abyss. You'll clock the difference.
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Every single american biching out in this comment thread has the rap taste of a 13 year old fortnite youtuber and hasn't studied the genre and it's history at all. Ask any real MC from the US what they think about non-US rap and you'll hear praise.
@@sinduda I'd add Loyle Corner and Ocean Wisdom very high up that list too. Roots Manuva was something else. Skinnyman probably the best overall. Jam Baxter is cold too. Whether they appeal to Americans who knows (and who cares?)
As a commenter has already said below, this is an American problem, not a problem with UK rappers. It's the way other cultures are consumed and interpreted in the US. Lots of Americans still think Grime is an off-shoot of hip-hop, when sonically it has nothing to do with it. UK hip-hop is its own seperate thing. I was surprised Ali G was even mentioned in this video, when he has nothing to do with music (outside of a one-off single with Shaggy for the Ali G indahouse soundtrack). To us, and to the rest of the English speaking world, it's obvious that it's satire and Ali G has nothing to do with the UK scene. Same issue with Big Shaq and Unknown P. The satire is blatant to the rest of us, but it literally had to be explained to CtG that they're not serious rappers. Same issue with the various accents in the UK scene. I have friends from many different backgrounds, born and raised in many different countries who have no issues with the accents. The best part of the video is the clip from Wiley at the end. UK rappers absolutely do their best work when they don't try and cater to American audiences. It's as simple as that. Kano's best work is after he made the decision to ditch the attempt at mimicing an American accent.
Funny thing is there is a BIG uk hip hop act in the US from the 90s massive attack, rap in their bristolian accents and thanks to tours with the beasties and public enemy etc are massive (no pun intended) in the US their last tour sold out quickly.
@@lewisb85 Massive Attack's music is heavily influenced by hip-hop but they're not really a hip hop act. They're music is a fusion of influences taken from their sound system days in the 1980s. If you want to hear some British Hip-Hop from the '90s, listen to (in no particular order) Caveman, London Posse, Blade, Demon Boyz, Blak Twang, Jehst, Roots Manuva, Braintax, Lewis Parker, Skinnyman, Task Force
@@the_Overproof most early uk hip hop is more sound system influenced than its American equivalent hence why a lot of UK rappers had more of a toasting vibe about them, Roots you can hear it in his delivery. Also with MA have a listen to their wild bunch record they did before they renamed its pure hip hop.
To be honest i don't feel modern day UK artist art attempting to appeal to the US market because the US market is the least accepting of any other group of people to Hip Hop thats not from the US, there is literally multi millionaire Hip Hop artist in the uk with no ties to ever working with the US artist or ever needing to and I feel showing a Tion Wayne and Russ Millions (not to be mistaken for the us russ) have made numerous songs that have done numbers that would make a lot of the us A listers proud. we have artist have have deep and profound Albums that have got reviews as high as Kendricks Lamars GKMC and TPAB from artist like Ghetts with his project "Conflict of Interest" or Little Sims with her project "Some Times I Might Be Introvert". So at this point it's the American audiences fault if they want to take the opinion of Aries Spares and make that the mindset they take listening to all UK Hip hop or find a artist that is not being labeled as a "Drill Rappers" to get a deeper respect for their take on the art form. Also the reason its so much easier to like Dave over say a Central Cee if your a traditional hip hop fan is because Dave was just giving his honest perspective of what his life in the uk as a black man is like when on the other hand Central Cee seems to be more of a Internet rapper than anything else with a strong lack in substance in his content but that also speaks on why his appeal is so much higher than his predecessors saying nothing and sounding good is easier to sale.
But also the Uk hasn't had the same stigma behind white rappers. I mean look at the streets. He was a big part of the scene when it was starting to pop off in the early 2000s
Black Americans have a history of getting things stolen from them and given no credit for being the creators. So no we are not going to be that friendly when it comes to hip hop. It sucks that those folks run the industry, I would prefer if we did but that's the end of the compromise.
no i mean Central cee is not what i would call an internet rapper amd he is from the streets so i think dave appeal is one because he's black which Americans care about which is a bit weird not really like tgat as much in the uk Also dave has bats above most rappers hes considered top 5 by complex which doesn't mean anything just a way to guage things so thats my 2 cence or pennies rather
@@hamadmahmood1879when I call cench a internet rapper it’s not in reference to his personal background but more to his marketing strategy and how his appeal got so wide. street rappers like loski, digga d, giggs and RV have a lot of exposure from the alleged street related actions and the reputation that came with that more than just the music and image like cench not saying he never done anything on those lines more that it wasn’t his appeal to the masses
There is a strong case that nwa were originally a parody group, there a docu on yt about it. I always preferred rap with a sense of humour, it's hard to take a grown man rapping about teenage issues seriously.
@tippiebear6532 i mean it i s not trash even his fans wouldn't listen to it if it's trash its just nit in the level of more culturally accepted artists if your wondering why i mentioned cultural because lets be real the uk culture like music and streets dont really rock with him
The problem isn't UK rap. It's the UK rap we're sending you. Check out The Four Owls, Stig of the dump, Ocean Wisdom, Monster Florence and then go down the rabbit hole those artists take you down. UK rap is better than the shitty drill music that's being put out these days.
This. No one ever references the best rappers, because they're often the least commercial. Dabbla, Pierre Green, Jam Baxter, there's so much good music
I'm from the UK, and I really don't blame Americans. Even Londoners make fun of accents outside of the capital, so we're not above it. We just need to accept that it's not going to happen and focus on other audiences. UK rappers are big in other countries in Europe, Australia and even Asia. Go to where you are celebrated not tolerated.
The problem with accents outside of London is they use a lot of London slang and to us frm London, it just doesn't sound right. Guess it's the same feeling the US fans feel about us in the UK in a way
well tbf the slang isn't london originated i mean carribean influence probably arrived to the north same time as London just a disconnect because of economic reasons meaning the north and its culture was left alone
@samuelpinder1215 to be honest, I really don't care who is top 10 anywhere, as long as the music is good. I vibe. You probably have never heard of LeRoyce, but he's on my top and he's not on the charts. He still makes better music than most rappers that are on the charts. Advertising is big on getting charted and a lot of great music gets slept on because of it
@@TypeCEdits3342 Same reason the American ones sound funny to us. Nothing sounds more gormless than a hillbilly or some of those over the top blaccents. Tjink Kai Cenat, unintentionally funny.
Hip Hop is a Freedmen(Black American) based culture so naturally someone from another country, culture,ethnicity with such a different accent is not gonna be as supported as the original we're more in touch with from our community. If we started playing soccer(football) then our teams wouldn't be as supported by Uk people because they would prefer the teams from their communities and tbh alot of UK rap is a watered down version of what started in America like Uk Drill was to Chicago drill.
To be fair, I’m not a fan of UK Drill, but I used to LOVE UK Grime. I remember hearing Sixtyminuteslive with Dizzy Rascal, Skepta, JME, Lethal Bizzle, etc, I got super hyped and it was really dope. The modern shit is just not it for me. I feel like UK is taking the same trajectory as US rap, where 80s-2000s was the golden era, and then it went into the whole mumble rap and all that shit. UK is somewhat taking the same turn, but it’s just not as drastic yet.
Uk rap, in it's relatively short history, has a lot of peaks and troughs, and personally I would say it's in one of the troughs for the last few years now. It is something skepta has been speaking about recently. But now that it is being acknowledged hopefully the UK rap scene can be revived and there will be room for the many talented artists to flourish in their own lane
aint no way you said mumble rap thats an American problem ive never heard that on uk drill and other rap/grime also uk drill is way more different than the us
@@SugaFree2387 you said taking the same turn though you said not as much but i don't think their on that route at all i mean the only obe close is cench but that was just a line that was trendy like in doja cat even he sticks to uk roots and talks about his experiences it just sounds more gen z i guess to some conoared to nines and others but he is respected streetwise in the uk because he relates to them even with these international feats
A note about the Aries Spears bit at the start: it's valid, but the only reason no British comedians have inverted the bit about the mumble generation or Chicago drill having it's nouth full during delivery, or Ice Spice, is 'cos Snoop already did that nearly ten years ago on the G Unit episode of GGN. Unturned stones are used as ammunition sometimes.
@Deco_2k I don't think it's "Hating". I'm A Black American, not an immigrant to America, and I grew up on Slick Rick, Monie Love, soul2soul etc.We never had a problem with the British bro and sis in my generation. They were embraced right along with the Jamaicans and the others from the Caribbean.
@@darnellmoore5093 Well I grow up, Rakim, BIGGIE, 2pac, Gang Starr, De La Soul, special Ed, bonethug and harmony, Mos Def, Wu- Tang Clan , Ice Cube, SnoopDog, Dr Jay, Warren G, Foxy Brown, Queen latifah, MC Laigh a matter face MC light when to the same school I went too in Brooklyn, ect ..
@@darnellmoore5093 that my place kingtons and Portland. but i am tell the just they know they the UK man have the background from longter time with wind rush connect, when form the 80s with newer set yardi you know I know, so way u thing most a them get the talent .. it in a dem dna
As someone who lives in the UK, i speak about it a lot to my mum that it's crazy that a lot of Americans think their is only 1 accent in the UK and they think we sound posh like the royal family, i live the north of england and it couldn't be further from the truth, there are 100s of accents in the UK
@@WadeH-v8ksays the person who's crying about another countries rappers 😂 Americans are so pampered and entitled they think saying something offensive is edgy and being tough. Hilarious.
They all satire when I see foreigners copy hip hop especially the street side it’s weird because hip hop is from a people who have been enslaved then systematically oppressed for hundreds of years it’s like when other races use the n-word to sound cool
The thing is though is that Americans are struggling to overcome their preconceptions. Ask and American what they know of the UK and they’ll say tea and crumpets. Like they said in the video there are so many accents and the older I’ve got the more I’ve realised how certain US rappers speak so cleanly. Rappers like Rakim, Guru, KRS one don’t really sound street but are still accepted. Hatred towards the UK has to be contextualised as Americans reluctance to accept other cultures in general. Unfortunately, despite black peoples experiences in the US, many aren’t that different. Having said that, some of their gripes with UK rap are genuine. It was terrible for a very long time and it’s only recently it’s gained its own style and the infrastructure just wasn’t there for the music to get off the ground sooner. The UK is destined to be hated, they hated us if we imitated the US because that wasn’t “real” now we have our own flavour they hate that too. Fuck the haters.
nah many were just mimicing accents and sryle of Americans but there was still loads of grime and rap that wad authentic but you right about the haters
@@hamadmahmood1879 Name 10 British rappers that were mimic of your American rappers if there are many that was mimicking surly naming 10 be easy for you?
SKEPTA IS THE GOAT SHOUTOUT JME, UKNOWN T, GIGGS,DAVE I really enjoy the uk grime scene a lot and really it’s just an American thing and how self centered they are.
Who cares who's industry trash is better? I can't even type my top 10 list, cause the algorithm deletes the comment. They're scared of real hip hop, so the realest lyricists in the States, you'll probably never get to hear them...
Should UK rappers care about The US? The top UK rappers are selling out their shows, and becoming millionaires off their craft. If Americans don't want to join the party bc of their accents, there's a big wide world of people outside of the US who do. 🤷🏾♂I always thought Cench was clever connecting with the rap/drill scenes in France, Germany, Spain and Italy to expand his fanbase across Europe. He's a marketing genius.
But the UK has never had the same stigma on white rappers as the US has had. I mean look at the streets for example, he was part of the come up of the genre alongside dizzee
@@samuelpinder1215 well the UK is only about 3-4% black so it’s not hard to believe that non-black rappers should blow up eventually. Also a white face is always gonna be more marketable to white audiences than a non-white face. Cench gets so many more brand deals than the average rapper and that bc more white kids can see themselves reflected in Cench more than a black rapper and companies wanna sell to those kids. People feel more represented by folks who look like them. It is what it is 🤷🏾♂️
Honestly the only people making fun of UK are Nothern Americans i think. Rest of the world appreciates artists like Dave, Skepta and Stormzy cause there's actually talent there
The only Ali G influence on rap was his Julie 😂. No mention of Devlin or Plan B. Everyone knows a Dave tho hey 🤣 Nice of Willy Wonka to show up at the end 😮
Black American are out of sync with "Black Diaspora music" secene in a way other"Blacks are not. For Example everyone in the Black Global Diaspora knows vybz kartel..EVRYBODY... but in america many still not many that know. The black global diaspora, all listen & to hip hop, reggae, dancehall, reggaeton, Afro beats etc. in a way that doesnt happen in america ...In fact hip hop seems to now be loosing its popularity as the number 1 preference in the global back diaspora music scene's....
Because Black Americans like most Americans aren't as forced to be in tuned with what's going on outside of their environment. American's and American culture is self centered. Also the fact that in the U.K. there's a culture clash of Jamaicans, Africans and others so you're more likely to come across other parts of the diaspora. Hip Hop dropping out of global popularity isn't a bad thing imo.
bro thats what i said vybz kartel is a powerhouse although i dislike him cuz hes a petty criminal asf and killed ppl nobody in the us or america and touch him not even tupac
I listen to old school UK Grime, and i can honestly say UK doesnt need anyone's approval around the world, just like US Hip-Hop, UK music has rich culture as well and they do not care if they reach the masses, its their own thing which they are proud of and celebrate so i find it odd how the US audience feel so bold to talk down on UK, especially when UK always respect and appreciate whatever US does, its very odd and unprovoked and it only creates more of a divide.
We don’t need validity in the US since it wasn’t meant to appeal to them. It’s British Hip Hop meant to appeal to British listeners. Like every other music style in other countries meant for them. But inevitably comparisons will be made and weighed amongst scales of being the “best type of music”. The fact of the matter is Hip Hop from both countries are iconic, have an immense talent many other countries recognise and have influenced other genres and each other to a good extent. We don’t need statistics to catfish us. They are both very much wildly appreciated from an objective view. It’s an issue of ignorance that spawns mockery and culture clash a few Americans are so hellbent on.
@Sha-EI it’s influential in places like Canada, Africa and Australia. Along with close proximity countries in Western Europe like France. No offence to Australia but they are pretty much catfishes. In Abuja there’s literally a whole scene imitating uk rap. I dont even have to mention its celebrity recognition and mainstream status overall. Again it’s your ignorance
@@Sha-El you're wrong. Ukbrap is huge across Europe, Canada and africa. Central cee is more streamed and currently bigger around the world than any American rapper. We inspired New York drill with the beats.
Yall can rap all you want i just dont want to hear that its better than US shit when we created the shit.. put your best rapper against our best rappers and yall gettin smoked everytime
There is more people in Europe then all of north America, the value of money is greater then north American currency, why do these artist care so much about the American market. America is not the world.
@watonimechanical7742 because Europe is a really diverse market. Something that's popular in Germany isn't necessarily going to blow up in the UK or in France because the cultures are so different. The American hip hop market is a monolith. When you make it there, you've made it in the biggest music market.
Here in Uganda we love our local artists, the only other type of music we play outside of other african countries is music from the U.S so you have a point
All the best lyricists aren't on the radio/getting industry promotion. No matter what country you're in. Traumatik & Lowkey are two of my favorites, why is nobody in the comments mentioning them, tho? 🤔 My Top 10 list would confuse most of y'all reading this, you wouldn't recognize the names...Beware of "Independent artists" almost all of them are controlled. You don't make it on your own independently. They gate keep...hard. Beat the algorithm... that's hilarious 😂
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Funny making this video as your biggest "Hiphop Rapper" is Drake for the past 16 years, A Canadian actor that raps and sings 🤔.I suppose you are happy if someone pretends to look and sound like you then you are comfortable.
central cee is tuff 🇯🇲💨🧠 better recognize
Restaurant quality, looks like prison food 🤣
Shill dat ting, bredah. 💯
Slick is NOT a UK rapper
I don't want to be rude but this is an American problem. The self centered culture makes you learn about other countries and cultures only through memes and jokes. The rest of the world has no issues learning about UK's culture and appreciate it as it is.
It’s not even about UK culture, it’s straightup the accent. That’s it. We are well aware that there is British gang culture and some very rough parts of the UK, but the accent is mostly associated with posh snobby tourists or childhood figures like Mary Poppins due to UK media.
I love the entire UK and the culture, I’ve been to London 3 times literally my dream place to live
@@52andattitude48 That's my point. The fact that American media STILL jokes about the Mary Poppins accent tells me they don't consume enough media from the UK to be talking about it. Can you imagine the rest of the world joking about the US and using the old timey gangster accent from the 50's? That would be incredibly dumb, right?
They are copying us why do we have to pay attention to them?
Exactly. Such self centred and individualistic behaviours propping themselves to be the end all be all.
Look outside your little cube people
Uk rap is only being clowned in the Us, the fact that people thought Big Shaq was a actual rapper says a lot about the people that think like that 🤣🤦🏿♂️
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it's not an artificial ceiling it's a self inflicted destruction of reputation. UK rap or grime was born out of the rave and dance culture, everyone was welcome, everyone enjoyed it and supported it. Then it started to isolate itself with racism and bigotry, along with other general man child behaviours and eventually alligning with movements such as blm which promoted exclusion and division as well as arrogance. basically the angry man children told everyone to f off so they did. But being angry man children desperate for the attention that they never had from their absent farthers. They used their money from drug dealing to promoted their circle jerk into the mainstream for all to suffer in a giant daddy look at me. But much like US rap most people have a brief look and think thats retarded theres better things to be doing.
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I always found that so ridiculous 😭 But then again, humour is different in the UK so they were bound to not get it.
As a Dutch person I am so confused you guys in the US took Big Shaq this serious. Everyone knew it was jokes
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I think it’s a stereotypical thing where they think every uk artist is like that
Because we understood English and the lyrics were obviously jokes, Americans speak American 😂
@sisamusudroka3000 well it was the same in the France and Belgium and most here knew it was a parody without even understanding the lyrics
@ well at least you guys have brain cells 😭
Sorry but this is such a strongly Americanised view. On one hand when artists try to accommodate to the American market that's seen as cringe or disingenuous, but if they don't and they stay loyal to their roots they get their accents clowned? Alright then.
Exactly. And the world is bigger than America. The days were New York and LA were the mecca of music and movies are gone. Now the world is too connected for anyone to give af about America.
are you talking about the topic or the video? because the video was pretty objective on why UK rappers have a hard time breaking into the US market. he never said that they MUST accommodate the US market. not american btw
@@rafdizon8416 I get that, but the video is also titled "It's time to be honest about UK rap", and all it really talks about is commercial success in the US. I don't think that's very honest.
@@LennyHirsch I thought it was a very balanced analysis. The tone was fair. I've subscribed I want to see more of his analysis on rap music generally.
@@LennyHirsch bruh cause its a clickbait obviously
21 being British is still the biggest plot twist ever
Or MF Doom being British
@@pbm2324 or Slick Rick 😂
He doesn't rap with an accent
@@helco2856 yeah cuz he grew up in the States. He obviously lost his English accent and permanently gained an American one 😂
Still one of the funniest moments in hip hop history
That's why I feel blessed to be South African. I get to listen to Hip-Hop from here, the US, the UK and sometimes from the rest of Africa. Hip-Hop will never die for me coz I get fed so many different styles of it in so many different languages with never ending stories.
Ngemphela!!🤝
Same! From Brasil and we have a big trap scene in Rio. I luv it all
True if you south African you so used to other accents that uk rqp doesn't even sound weird
@jujuthethird4602 Exactly, the world is big enough for each region bc each region has it's own story to tell.
I South African and this is my view as well, I get a taste of it all
UK artist don't need the US when they have the rest of the world checking their music.
Lol
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U.K. drill is trash
Yet the rest of the worldwide drill scenes emulate it far more than any american drill scene. From france to australia. Name me 10 uk drill rappers since you seem to know it well enough to judge.@@teezyfrmda5th357
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1. Spending 25% of the video talking about Tim Westwood and Ali G is worse than us saying that Vanilla Ice represents U.S. HipHop
2. 99%+ of UK rappers are not trying to sound American
3. American acceptance isn’t a measure of success
4. Some Americans use the English language then laugh at the accent they remixed many years ago
5. Believe it or not, the USA is a very small part of the world
6. If Aries Spears doesn’t like the British accent through rap, he shouldn’t listen to it
7. SO MANY big UK rappers of today were not mentioned
8. If anybody is looking for KSI or comedians to hear UK rap, then they are far off reality and shouldn’t even bother search anymore
Dude…he’s not saying these clowns are actually what UK rap is…just that many people see that when they think of UK rap…
1. The point is those two are top of the list when people think of UK rap, Vanilla isn't because the US turns out countless bigger rappers and doesn't hype up satirists as the UK does.
2. He explicitly said that. He said that UK rappers trying to sound American was a rare and past thing but it DID exist.
3. When Americans run the majority of the rap industry yes, it is. Just like Indian acceptance is a good measure if you're making Bollywood style movies, or French acceptance for making French cusine
4. Buddy don't try to make the "its OUR language" thing when it's equally as ours. Thats how language transmission works. You don't speak the same English as the English people of the past, are you using "their" language? The Normans irreversibly changed the complexion of the English language in an immense way introducing French and latin components that account for over HALF of the current language. Do people from Northern France get to say that you're using "their" language and you can't bad mouth the French? No nation "owns" a language, people do, and those people aren't only in one area.
5. But we've created practically every major genre being played currently from rap, pop, to rock, which is why success in America is such a big deal. Just because this is an area where the UK can't glaze itself doesn't make it not valid.
6. Valid.
7. For a reason, they're big in the UK but not the US. This video is about the international perception of the UK, particularly in the US.
8. Why are those rappers getting such play? If its not for paucity of quality insular rappers then it must be because the UK as a culture doesn't respect the art as much as the US, which hypes up serious rappers first and foremost. In which case you shouldn't be surprised that a country that considers such a genre as silly and mockery-worthy isn't big internationally, let alone in the country that created the genre.
I want the UK to be big too bro, from what I've heard they're great but reality needs to be faced first instead of with defensiveness. I love the massive variety of American cuisine from 12 hour long smoked BBQ, to soul food, to gumbos and other creole/cajun dishes. They're deep in both culture and flavor, but I'm aware that because of how much play fast food gets people don't think of that they think of McDonalds and fried things. I accept that, you need to do the same.
Straight facts. We could make a video about a list of trash joke US artists who did nothing but make the scene a joke but there’s no point in it
Knock it off brody. Y'all get clowned by us because you copied every damn thing we've created musically from jazz to rock&roll to hip-hop. You sound goofy talking about American acceptance isn't a measure of success, and that's why 99% of your "stars" couldn't fill a basement club in The Bronx!
@@mergenocideI don’t have time right now, but fuck me you are chatting utter shit son. I’ll respond point by point when I got time…
Honestly I don’t think UK rappers care what Americans think - to use an American word you sound “corny” when trying to make fun of other people’s accents as if Americans don’t have strange accents lol.
Westwoods fake American accent was actually corny to us in England but I guess Americans liked it?
They seem to like our worst rappers
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Talking shit about how we sound, like we ain't heard their Boston accent. Like we ain't seen that film 'The Dep-AHH-lud,' (The Departed).
@@Lilly-ud6qsyeah that's what I was thinking. I mean central cee is mid at best
Westwood was never really taken seriously but he had a platform.
It’s all in good fun dude, don’t let some Russian bots online try and divide us. No one in America actually dislikes yr rap or culture smh
Little Simz has one of the most consistent discogs of any rapper over the last 5-6 years
The fact that she's considered 'niche" is so sad to me
Also can we stop treating hip hop like a monolith as a genre
You won't ever see rock fans compare metal rock to hard rock to post rock and prog rock
There's room for all of this shit here.
IDK why people gotta compare Dizzee Rascal to Drake or Stormzy to K.Dot or whatever silly comparisons people have
little simz sucks ass. sim simmarr bim bimmar, that shit is dog shit
Every rock fan will always divide rock genres and have preferences
Thanks..now I know not to bother watching this 😂
Have you ever talked to Rock fans? 😂😂
@@usoftheartI was literally thinking nickelback got so much shit because everyone kept moaning about how they “fused” rock genres together 🤣
I’m a musician. I’m not British. I’m African. But we don’t make music for Americans to get. The music is by us and it’s for us. The same way American music is for Americans and by Americans. It doesn’t matter if an artist never pops off in the states. What does matter is that he is celebrated in his homeland.
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Yeah, ok. Most artists want international recognition. It sounded very good though .
@@gbiggz_na it’s a beautiful sentiment. However, most people want to break into and have success in the American market. Let’s not delude ourselves.
@@nichellegarrett8467 and honestly that’s the problem. I think the world needs to divorce the idea of the need to make it in America.
UK rappers breaking the US might give them more accolades, but the foreign opinions aren't relevant or even really valid since they don't understand the culture here.
It does as the less fans, the less money and their careers are over. Fortunately, UK music scene is a top 4 so they can survive
Man like Chicken in the chat lol
Same goes for UK opinions of US rap then
@@DaboooogA Who's talking about who here? 😅 Speculative opinions are exactly that. No matter how much my man was trolling Grime still bangs 😂🤷🏾♂️
@@miamitten1123 J Hus, Headie One, K Trap, Nines, Giggs, Potter Payper are all up because *WE* rate them. A lot of them might not even be able to go US for shows due to priors, but careers are booming still.
why does uk rappers have to care how we feel? slowthai is one of my favorite rappers, I pray people like him, stormzy, tion wayne, headie, dave, knucks and etc dont change their style for us.
Because the real market is America. That's where the money is
@@dontreplytome5665Well that’s on them. They sound like WNBA players bitching about pay.
If the product is good, people will buy and support it. It’s that simple. UK rappers can’t be mad that the USA just doesn’t fuck with their sound like that to go mainstream here.
There’s plenty of international genres and foreign artist, including ones from UK that succeed here. It just so happens UK rap isn’t one of those genres 🤷🏾
@dontreplytome5665 okay? All I'm saying is I don't want them to change for a market that needs them to blend in to be accepted. do your own thing; music is still a form of art and expression of individuality. if they want the American market, then be like central cee and drake.
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they dont care bruh. this dude stirring shit for views. let them do their weird grime shit over on that rainy ass island
Some Americans really thought Big Shaq was a real ting that's hilarious. Wonder if they still think Sherlock Holmes was solving crimes back in the good ole 1900s
😂😂😂😂😂 that’s funny and probably true.
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They’re mentioning KSI as though he’s rated in The UK 😂😂
Don't act like we didn't either, some people here were taking it seriously
@@Lilly-ud6qsKSI's impact is undeniable, nobody rates him except kids
Dave is better than a lot of rappers from the states
Who tf is dave?
A lot Of Rappers From The States Are Better Than Everybody From The UK
I’m not even gon argue with this cuz I agree 😂
@@kwanli_beats that’s cap icl. Depends on which era we talking about. Someone like Dave is out rapping many rappers from the States today 😂
@@Solis357 google is free.
Im black. My people created rap music. And I love it. So I think my opinion matters in this conversation. I’m not usually the guy to pull the race card, but this take feels kind of racist to me. I understand how some people feel about UK rap. I feel the same way about Spanish rap. I can’t stand Spanish rap music, it’s annoying. I hated Bad Bunny until he became a professional wrestler, but I’ve never thought about kicking him out of the rap industry because I don’t like his music. I don’t think it’s fare to exclude people from a genre because you don’t like how they sound. If you don’t like it, don’t listen to it.
Tim Westwood has a lot more in common with The Diddler, than HipHop.
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@@Marvin-ut4xshe's a sex offender like Diddy.
@@Marvin-ut4xshe is one of them
@@tengoodquestions judging by his ora, I'm not surprised. He kind of reminds me of that (Saville?) guy over there. He was an old celebrity & graped handicapped ppl
@@Marvin-ut4xs if you read into it it’s crazy. He also mistreated black women
17:59 the US has a superiority complex, period
Say it louder. NYC typifies this, & notice the comedian in the beginnings a New Yorker. Won't even admit Trap Music from the Southeasts louder rn.
In general? Sure. In the art world? It’s not a complex we just have nothing to prove.
@@TheOutlawed1000I think they forget that almost (and I say almost loosely) every genre they have was created in America.
@@TheOutlawed1000 lies, the FBA are always crying about who did what first, they hate anyone hispanic or black who are not considered FBA the deny biggie buster and sany hiphop pioneer with west indian roots...
@@TheOutlawed1000 Well maybe you should have something to prove then you can stop making trash like you have been in recent years don’t matter if it’s music or movies or tv shows Hollywood ain’t the same it’s legit falling apart like just stop with all this woke bs. The new joker 2 movie how the fuck y’all mess that one up?
Even if you're American and you think UK rap is goofy/corny or whatever: at the end of the day, UK rap stars _are_ building fanbases, _are_ becoming millionaires, _are_ building generational wealth, telling _their_ stories, making music _their_ way. Get your accent jokes off, but it's weird to hate on that premise or label them inferior copycats -- If anything they're being super creative weaving rap with garage, grime, dubstep, drum&bass, house & afrobeats : opposite of copying Americans. I'll never hate on (mostly) black people building generational wealth and a brighter future for themselves through their art.
Yeah. They or British ppl shouldn’t care or worry about our opinions. I personally can’t listen to British rap but it ain’t for me. Just like heavy metal isn’t for me
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This. Rap started in america and Tupac was its apex, but UK artists tend to be much more creative with beat production, tend to have more meaningful lyrics and don't sound like toddlers mumbling in their sleep. America started the fire but then put it out. Uk is keeping that fire burning
Where does this notion come from that Americans dont have goofy accents also? 🤣
As an Indian, I can understand UK rap better than American rap. My go to music to listen to after old school rap is Uk drill
Rap music is from the USA. The rest of the world just copies our music.
As an American creator that covers UK rap, I'm glad to see this kind of content and dialogue becoming more common.
We definitely appreciate you bro! I remember first coming across you and was shocked at how well you understood us and our slang!
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Love Ur vids dude, from the UK.
As a Londoner, most London rappers speak in a social register (sociolinguistics) that most people grow out of or abandon by adulthood. The difference between register and accent is that register covers ones grammar/choice of words rather than ones pronunciation.
A rapper like Central Cee is 26 years old, but maintains the social register and grammar of a teenager speaking to his friends in the school canteen... Then you have a UK rapper like Bugzy Malone, who raps in his distinct Mancunian accent, but his choice of grammar and his social register are that of a true storyteller, like Jay-Z.
People that are copying an accent grow out of it by adult hood.
@@HabitualLine-Stepper black men over here don’t evolve or grow and that’s the part yall don’t see
I only like Central Cee and Ivorian Doll those 2 are my respective favorites 😍
KSI kool too
The first actually nuanced take I found in the comments and it's full of insight, both social and firsthand. Why is this not higher up in the comments? Schlock sadly.
This comment deserves to be at the very top 🤙🏾
Been a fan of British rap forever, even back when it was just Grime America didn’t get it. That sucks, but art is art. I’m just lucky to be able to enjoy it.
UK hip hop didn't start with grime. Back in the days when grime was coming up those cats didn't even want to be seen as hip-hop.
I feel you brother, I feel like when ppl can compete they say this like that, bro I am in US and some time I can't even understand what the US rapper are saying, I and fully understand what the UK rapper them is saying in the rap, but what I also feel! I think they just scared that the UK rapper will take over, so hey push them to the back of the line in US..
I'll be honest, I'm American and UK Rap is pretty dope if you know how to actually decipher the bars. It's not for everyone, but that doesn't mean it sucks. To each their own.
I give you credit for that 100% pure creativity.
As an American who happens to actually like UK Hip Hop, I can understand how it's hard for many UK emcees to break here in the US. You have to be REALLY open-minded in getting pass the accents and dialects to realize they have dope hip hop music there like we have here. To keep it really 💯, many people here in the US are barely open minded to other US rappers that happens to be underground or different from the mainstream, so how will they be open to give a British rapper a shot? The UK is very underrated with a diverse group of talented rappers varying different genres: commercial rap, Grime, UK Drill, and even boom bap/traditional hip hop. Maybe one day there will be someone that rise above and across the pond.
Stormzy is fire! I love that album "Heavy Is The Head". The UK and Canada's rappers need to work together more because culturally they're more alike than the US due to the commonwealth. The immigration patterns are the same so certain slangs are shared.
@@J-Bravo416 AGREED
Lmao commonwealth gang..lameass 😂😂😂
Stormzy Daniels
@@alpha-xdr No one else came up with that phrase, so you're just laughing at yourself
PAUSE 😂 gay ass album trash ass rapper
I'm from NY and I like UK hip hop, I just like good hip hop period. Ren is dope
why did you mention ren i mean hes fire bit like a random shoutout
The US tends to vehemently mock any culture that isnt the US. So we brits dont take it personally, y'all are just more insular than the majority of the world. Its almost baked into the American mentality to be closed minded, and myopic and have a view of life in other countries that is composed entirely of stereotypes and memes.
@@owenleal most people don’t like it when people steal their culture. People from the U.S. are no different.
Looking from the outside in (I'm French), I see a lot of that insularity in British culture as well ;)
@@owenleal British people do the exact same thing.
I love UK hip hop as much as I love US hip hop am not with that hating sh!t it's pretty lame
Yeahh lol
@@namuandi agreed. Of course US rap is overall better and the foundation but that don’t mean I can’t enjoy Uk rap too
@topher7716 if he listen to both he prolly got great music taste
Naw you just want to fit in 👎🏿and I scared to have your own opinions
they just never heard nines lol
UK hip hop is thriving. Wretch 32, Stormzy, Avelino, Little Simz, Loyle Carner, Ghetts, Knucks, Kojey Radical, Kano, ENNY, D Double E, Dave. List goes on. Like British artists need validation from Americans. The world is bigger than just the USA
J hus?
i'm british, and most of our artists sound the same i see everybody bigging up stormzy but he got out freestyled by a 9 year old, we do need validation from the states as when you say whos the biggest rap stars top 5 dead or alive aint one of them british for the majority of the world. im also from south where bass music was birthed and have mc'd up and down the country as well as rapped so i am a veteran in the game and you definitely have got some top tier artists listed, i agree with most but the levels ain't there compared to usa simple.
American rappers from the 80s like lord finesse percee p big l would smash all them bud.
@@benboyce1900 no shit, american actors, musicians and any other artists are more likely to become popular even if they're shit due to the fact that america is massive
Don’t forget mercston
American rappers want us to appreciate blueface and not talented UK rap, what does accent got to do with talent? We got UK, French and African rappers making better music that resonates with the world
hip hop is about America not the world dummy lol
We don't want u to do anything, u clowns want to be Americans so bad u copy our style,food, and music..
yeah burna boy and shensea go hard
@@hamadmahmood1879 I like Burna Boy he’s got good music I have some of his songs in my work playlist 😎 I ain’t heard of the other artist you mentioned tho so might have to check em out, but you might like Protoje, Popcaan & Koffee that’s if you ain’t heard of them ones before you might have I got no clue 😬😎
@@hamadmahmood1879 They are not rappers
the fact that us have lil nas x lil xan ect they can't judge any one
Dual citizen American born and raised in SoCal. We Americans are self centered and that’s about it
What nation isn't self centered?
America's number 1
@@saintdenis11 most of them tbh
@@BlackBelkanfunny because you could've named a single one but you literally chose not to lol
@@OpoOnTheGo japan
The UK doesn't need our approval because once upon a time, there was a region in America that wasn't taken seriously. We treated this region like it was a joke, just like we're doing the UK. That region is the South, and that region is why hip hop isn't dead like rock n roll. So who's to say that the UK just may become the next South? Please make a video about the second slept-on region at one point in the midwest.
that’s because most black people live in the south and most classic hip hop samples trace their roots their.
But don’t neglect Chicago and their creation of drill.
You mean like UK drill
@@blackcelropeseason8205 i didnt know new york was considered southern
@@Cookie-xy7hk that’s not what meant
What bozo hip hop started in New York
I'm still out here bumpin Kano.
Respect ✊🏼
PS & QS still goes hard!
Ps & QSs still slaps
@@bazglsgw1208
Agreed 100%.
T-Shirt Weather In The Manor is the first thing I always play in the summer (although I'm English so that's kinda normal lol)
Its funny because to me US drill sounds corny compared to UK. The UK is finding it's own authentic sound
@@theoplunkett5262 drill music was created in Chicago not the UK. We don’t gate keep our culture so you think your music is “authentic”. Why not create your own genres of music and stop stealing our culture and pretending it’s authentic!
@calaragazza3556 I know drill was US made. No genre of music exists in a vacuum, hip hop started in the bronx and then the west took that and made their patented style. The uk did the same thing with drill but it's still our authentic style.
@@theoplunkett5262 nothing about UK hip hop is authentic. That’s like people from the U.S. doing Hindi music and calling it authentic. It would be called cultural appropriation. You can’t say the original sound’s corny. That’s just disrespectful. You can’t steal someone’s culture and then call it corny at the same time while you are just cultural appropriating.
@calaragazza3556 well grime is a uk ting
@@playercore7444 grime music is a subcategory of garage music that was created in Chicago. The UK was inspired and just copied like all our genres of music are copied worldwide.
I'd put Lowkey, Akala, and Mic Righteous up against any of these "relevant" U.S. rappers. If we're talking about skills. - Sincerely, a fan from the States, who's a fan of those 3 incredible emcees.
yeah but these guys don't make like good songs like sone guys such as dave or potter payper can so unless Americans are rocking heavy with actual uk culture these guys will never blow but tbh i dont care we dont need validation
Lowkey makes jcole sound like a confused uni student trying to be edgey
@@Dd-ks2fm fair enough my guy has encyclopedias for brains
@hamadmahmood1879 like I'm not dissing jcole as such he is a good rapper but I heard lowkey back in like 2010 (sound track to struggle is a amazing album came out 2011) and I just didn't get the hype around jcole because I listened to jcole much later. Though I would say immortal technique is pretty close in terms of us rappers.
@@Dd-ks2fm ueah but bro i agreed with you ill pick lowkey anyday
Funny how central cee’s streams are mainly American and drake has a BBK tattoo on him 👀
Big Booty Killer?
Don’t forget the entire ny drill scene came from pop smoke being inspired by uk drill and using uk drill producers
Nall his streams American cause he got features wid American rappers tell da whole truth
@@Lgx-ie4ifwe don’t give a damn bout drill nobody listens to drill music 😂😂 NBA young boy is who
Dese niggas bumping
@@purrfitazitgetz3365 I didn’t say all his streams but I feel you though. Central cee is gaining a lot of traction from America due to his collaborations with US artists for sure 👌🏻
Im from the uk and 80s, 90s US golden era hip hop will always reign supreme
I agree. The rap I listen to now are people like Lowkey, Dave etc. I like rap that has something to say and the era of the 80s and 90s with Public Enemy, Mos Def, Nas, KRS one, etc will always be my jam. I liked the early fun stuff too - no one can start a party better than the originals.
@@jujutrini8412 💯 bro
Rap is on life support in the US, the UK is keeping the culture alive. American exceptionalism isn't believeable anymore, you don't lead any culture like the 80s/90s.
The UK scene has been so strong for years and incredible careers, they dont need the US but it would be huge if they could break it over there.
I mess with some London rap. Skepta been one of my favorite rappers for the longest, I’ll happily put him over most US rappers today
Skeppys alright, but he took a lot of what he does from Devilman.
I been listening to Grime/UK Hiphop for about 10 years now & a lot of them put out better music then are own US artists
I'd love for an American to find someone as legendary as Kano or can flow like Ghetts
literally cannot listen to rap from the US unless its 90's. so much autotune theres no lyrics at this point.
bro acts like kendrick, j cole, school boy q, tyler the creator, benny the butcher, 21 savage, vince staples, logic, bigxthaplug, thatmexicanot, big sean, eminem, YG, benny the butcher, lupe fiasco, and denzel curry dont exist... every single one of them dropped albums this year and not a single one of them mumble or use auto tune... yall just dont be looking for the right artists. the only rappers still mumbling or using autotune is future, lil uzi, playboy carti, lil yachty and tirppie red.. that shit died out in like 2018-2020 idk why mfs keep bringin up autotune/mumble rap like thats still a thing that we really just slappin fr smh
UK rap doesn't need the approval of Americans. The material speaks for itself
It’s shit though
@@miamitten1123 Name UK Rap songs that you've listened to, if you think it's shit.
@@miamitten1123your favourite rappers get bummed by Diddy….
@@miamitten1123 If you think Knucks and Loyle Carner are ass that's your problem 2bh
facts
I'm from Switzerland and I'm proud to see European Rap thrive as hard as it's right now. Central Cee over here has such a big status, it's reminding me of Fifty back in the days. You guys in the US should definitely not sleep on UK and generally on European rap, especially in France, UK and Italy.
pass
In fact, with the US audience continuing to bash UK artists, I'm seeing more UK artists seek collaborations with other European artists instead.
The best part is, the European audiences tend to always be more open with this type of stuff (atl from what I've seen).
the slang/accent thing is really important though. Every rapper should be talking with their own local slang, thats what makes it unique and beautiful. Its also one of the things that I miss about golden age hip hop. when every region had its own sound and unique set of lingo. British rap needs to remain true to itself and stop worrying about what sells in the US.
it is though. I hear British rappers rapping in their own accent using their own slang.The labels want more money from exporting it stateside so _they_ wanna crack that formula. I don't think the average UK rapper is obsessed with marketing themselves to Americans. In fact, if they're too americanised, they would likely be rejected by Brits for being inauthentic & "too American".
UK rap is thriving rn I promise you. There’s a whole underground scene here making some of the best music I’ve head in recent years, and the rest of Europe is joining us in it, and of course some of these songs see huge success. Now u got recent stars like Nemzzz popping off around the rest of the world
To be fair most non American rappers have an extremely hard time breaking into USA. America likes American things, we're extremely insular. You have to have VASTLY HIGHER QUALITY material for us to pay attention, basically superior to our own. Best example: Anime >>Cartoons, Japanese VIdeogames>>>>US-based Videogames.
@Xcyper33 yup, American supremacy is a real thing. The red scare in the cold war set Americans back decades on engaging with anything non-American, it's almost terrifying to hear how little Americans know about the rest of the world
But the music there in the mainstream is absolute shit. Pre 2015 this would’ve held up
Not high quality, easy to digest
@prodbysincerity nah.. sorry some of it is racist and xenophobia, a lot of good quality rappers and producers from other countries but americans dont accept it because it's a diff accent or a diff language
@kimyoung3160 yeah, you guys don't do that, but how comes the rest of the world listens to American media but America won't be patient for our media?
The US hip-hop is very small minded when it comes to outsiders with skill. What sucks is that the UK always stayed true to lyrics, cyphers, and the underground.
FACTS.
Any rapper that can't be marketed towards kids with product placements gets the boot in the US, that's why all their franchise rappers they brag about nowadays are pop clowns while non-american countries have more true to the core & skillful scenes than the US has had since the 90s... just simple facts
Rap hasn't help our black community. The ban on drill rap is GOOD
@@mortaldao8044 "ours"?
@@xXAgeXx Here we go with the uncle Tom bullshit. That mentality is what keeps us down fighting each other
You forgot to mention MC Grindah. He’s done so much for the UK
@@LordMichi the true GOAT
Quite happy our scene hasn’t blown up in the USA
Im in michigan and plenty of us listen to a lot more grime and UK rap than people think. I think people only see america as the major markets (NY, LA, ATL) and then speak for hip hop not accepting them. Those markets dont really like anyone that isnt conforming to them. Its not really the US hip hop scene, its an issue with the major markets. Club music in america has been going strong outside of those markets, in fact, thats really the only version of a hip hop market in most places outside of those major markets. Thats why Drake did a jersey/baltimore club record without any of those pioneers, or ASAP blew up with the houston sound with harlem voice.
I get its frustrating, but it's also frustrating getting our own country to acknowledge regional club and rap scenes. Its an industry issue, not an issue with hip hop itself. Stay blessed!
@@MikeDThaScienceG you listen to that ish🤣🤣🤣 WE don’t 😂💯
Great analysis
Speak for you self I can't stand UK rap
@@binkjjd5833like why is bro speaking for the whole state of Michigan 😂
@@decemberholiday3488 I didn't say all, I'm not even saying most, just that a lot of people do, and some people have been listening to it for years (like Danny Brown he mentioned). My point in bringing up Michigan is that the industry doesn't even put us on, unless NY, LA, or ATL mess with you, and we live in America. So it's not gonna be different for the UK artists
Don't mix up UK hip hop with grime music. You want UK hip hop, listen to Skinnyman - Council Estate of Mind. You want grime, listen to K9, Visionist - Abyss. You'll clock the difference.
Council estate of mind 🔥
@@TJay96one of the best UK albums there, that and Boy in da Corner
Chester P
Teslas Ghost
Task force
Jehst
Billy Shakes
9M
Farma G
Louis Parka
Funky DL
Trellion
Lee Scot
Black Josh
Tony D
Akala
Farma G
Lowkey
Ty
Rodney P
Every single american biching out in this comment thread has the rap taste of a 13 year old fortnite youtuber and hasn't studied the genre and it's history at all. Ask any real MC from the US what they think about non-US rap and you'll hear praise.
@@sinduda I'd add Loyle Corner and Ocean Wisdom very high up that list too. Roots Manuva was something else. Skinnyman probably the best overall. Jam Baxter is cold too. Whether they appeal to Americans who knows (and who cares?)
As a commenter has already said below, this is an American problem, not a problem with UK rappers. It's the way other cultures are consumed and interpreted in the US. Lots of Americans still think Grime is an off-shoot of hip-hop, when sonically it has nothing to do with it. UK hip-hop is its own seperate thing. I was surprised Ali G was even mentioned in this video, when he has nothing to do with music (outside of a one-off single with Shaggy for the Ali G indahouse soundtrack). To us, and to the rest of the English speaking world, it's obvious that it's satire and Ali G has nothing to do with the UK scene. Same issue with Big Shaq and Unknown P. The satire is blatant to the rest of us, but it literally had to be explained to CtG that they're not serious rappers. Same issue with the various accents in the UK scene. I have friends from many different backgrounds, born and raised in many different countries who have no issues with the accents. The best part of the video is the clip from Wiley at the end. UK rappers absolutely do their best work when they don't try and cater to American audiences. It's as simple as that. Kano's best work is after he made the decision to ditch the attempt at mimicing an American accent.
Funny thing is there is a BIG uk hip hop act in the US from the 90s massive attack, rap in their bristolian accents and thanks to tours with the beasties and public enemy etc are massive (no pun intended) in the US their last tour sold out quickly.
@@lewisb85 Massive Attack's music is heavily influenced by hip-hop but they're not really a hip hop act. They're music is a fusion of influences taken from their sound system days in the 1980s. If you want to hear some British Hip-Hop from the '90s, listen to (in no particular order) Caveman, London Posse, Blade, Demon Boyz, Blak Twang, Jehst, Roots Manuva, Braintax, Lewis Parker, Skinnyman, Task Force
@@the_Overproof most early uk hip hop is more sound system influenced than its American equivalent hence why a lot of UK rappers had more of a toasting vibe about them, Roots you can hear it in his delivery. Also with MA have a listen to their wild bunch record they did before they renamed its pure hip hop.
To be honest i don't feel modern day UK artist art attempting to appeal to the US market because the US market is the least accepting of any other group of people to Hip Hop thats not from the US, there is literally multi millionaire Hip Hop artist in the uk with no ties to ever working with the US artist or ever needing to and I feel showing a Tion Wayne and Russ Millions (not to be mistaken for the us russ) have made numerous songs that have done numbers that would make a lot of the us A listers proud. we have artist have have deep and profound Albums that have got reviews as high as Kendricks Lamars GKMC and TPAB from artist like Ghetts with his project "Conflict of Interest" or Little Sims with her project "Some Times I Might Be Introvert". So at this point it's the American audiences fault if they want to take the opinion of Aries Spares and make that the mindset they take listening to all UK Hip hop or find a artist that is not being labeled as a "Drill Rappers" to get a deeper respect for their take on the art form.
Also the reason its so much easier to like Dave over say a Central Cee if your a traditional hip hop fan is because Dave was just giving his honest perspective of what his life in the uk as a black man is like when on the other hand Central Cee seems to be more of a Internet rapper than anything else with a strong lack in substance in his content but that also speaks on why his appeal is so much higher than his predecessors saying nothing and sounding good is easier to sale.
Also sorry my comment is so long to any one that reads it i swear ill just make a video next time LOL
But also the Uk hasn't had the same stigma behind white rappers. I mean look at the streets. He was a big part of the scene when it was starting to pop off in the early 2000s
Black Americans have a history of getting things stolen from them and given no credit for being the creators. So no we are not going to be that friendly when it comes to hip hop. It sucks that those folks run the industry, I would prefer if we did but that's the end of the compromise.
no i mean Central cee is not what i would call an internet rapper amd he is from the streets so i think dave appeal is one because he's black which Americans care about which is a bit weird not really like tgat as much in the uk
Also dave has bats above most rappers hes considered top 5 by complex which doesn't mean anything just a way to guage things
so thats my 2 cence or pennies rather
@@hamadmahmood1879when I call cench a internet rapper it’s not in reference to his personal background but more to his marketing strategy and how his appeal got so wide. street rappers like loski, digga d, giggs and RV have a lot of exposure from the alleged street related actions and the reputation that came with that more than just the music and image like cench not saying he never done anything on those lines more that it wasn’t his appeal to the masses
Parody rap has always been a thing in the UK. We love it here...
There is a strong case that nwa were originally a parody group, there a docu on yt about it.
I always preferred rap with a sense of humour, it's hard to take a grown man rapping about teenage issues seriously.
Bricka, one day I went to Lidl, mandem on the wall, jazzie
Bro thank you! That's why Unknown P and Big Shaq was pushed because we was in on the joke!
@@DJPLATINUMHD exactly. Especially Big Shaq because we will see roadmen in big jackets, a Bally, full on tracksuit and outside is 30°.
9:48 "even if KSI's music was good" is crazy work 😂
Yeah! That dude’s music is trash! It’s only popular cause he’s a famous RUclipsr.
@@tippiebear6532same reason it's everyday bro got on the billboard charts
@tippiebear6532 i mean it i
s not trash even his fans wouldn't listen to it if it's trash its just nit in the level of more culturally accepted artists
if your wondering why i mentioned cultural because lets be real the uk culture like music and streets dont really rock with him
Trust me… JOKE ting!
If americans don't like uk artisits/music who cares.
Its not made for for anyone's approval.
The problem isn't UK rap.
It's the UK rap we're sending you.
Check out The Four Owls, Stig of the dump, Ocean Wisdom, Monster Florence and then go down the rabbit hole those artists take you down.
UK rap is better than the shitty drill music that's being put out these days.
This. No one ever references the best rappers, because they're often the least commercial. Dabbla, Pierre Green, Jam Baxter, there's so much good music
Plus akala, lowkey and mic righteous
Mystro aka Mysdiggi is my fave uk rapper, extensive quality catalogue of material.
Been looking for this comment lol while we're on the topic don't forget to look at jehst, Lee scott, sonny jim and dirty dike to name a phew ❤️🔥
@@damienakatubbyable Not run into him, thanks. He's good
I'm from the UK, and I really don't blame Americans. Even Londoners make fun of accents outside of the capital, so we're not above it. We just need to accept that it's not going to happen and focus on other audiences. UK rappers are big in other countries in Europe, Australia and even Asia. Go to where you are celebrated not tolerated.
The problem with accents outside of London is they use a lot of London slang and to us frm London, it just doesn't sound right. Guess it's the same feeling the US fans feel about us in the UK in a way
well tbf the slang isn't london originated i mean carribean influence probably arrived to the north same time as London just a disconnect because of economic reasons meaning the north and its culture was left alone
As an American, I love UK rap! Skepta, Central Cee, and Ocean Wisdom all great artists. There's a few more but those from the top are my top 3
Cench ain't top 10 in the uk
@samuelpinder1215 to be honest, I really don't care who is top 10 anywhere, as long as the music is good. I vibe. You probably have never heard of LeRoyce, but he's on my top and he's not on the charts. He still makes better music than most rappers that are on the charts. Advertising is big on getting charted and a lot of great music gets slept on because of it
@@HesherLee I was saying that I wouldn't recommend central cee if you asked me about uk rap recommendations
no fredo nines like they are ehat i expect most americans to first vibe with
@@hamadmahmood1879 I'd expect americans to like dbe coz they're weird
If we’re being honest, only one corner of the world doesn’t get UK rap. The rest of us aren’t that ignorant.
SLICK RICK WAS BORN IN MITCHAM?!?!
😂😂😂 why does the uk accent sound funny
@@TypeCEdits3342
Same reason the American ones sound funny to us. Nothing sounds more gormless than a hillbilly or some of those over the top blaccents. Tjink Kai Cenat, unintentionally funny.
Did not know that and I'm from Mitcham. We don't have a hospital either so shout out to his parents😅
Wreckognize born in London too
MF DOOM was born in Hounslow
Yoooo ARIES killed that intro! 😂😅
He sounded ignorant as f. Slick Rick had a British accent on his most iconic tracks
@@octagonseventynine1253insanely self centred snd ignorant of the world. “Only my culture is superior”
@@octagonseventynine1253 Slick Rick did NOT sound like Aries in this. Anywho, Dave is fire 🔥
facts. and i agree with what he said
Gimme mo muh knee ugh🤣🤣🤣😭😭 Aires is dead wrong bruv🤣🤣🤣
The problem is def not due to a lack of talent on the UK‘s part, little simz is one of the best MCs out right now period. Go see about her
There is no UK problem. The issue is that Americans don’t like the Black British accent
@@Lilly-ud6qs or anu British accent like liverpool but mazza l20 bangs
n9 Diddy
Hip Hop is a Freedmen(Black American) based culture so naturally someone from another country, culture,ethnicity with such a different accent is not gonna be as supported as the original we're more in touch with from our community. If we started playing soccer(football) then our teams wouldn't be as supported by Uk people because they would prefer the teams from their communities and tbh alot of UK rap is a watered down version of what started in America like Uk Drill was to Chicago drill.
Better than mumble cRAP
To be fair, I’m not a fan of UK Drill, but I used to LOVE UK Grime. I remember hearing Sixtyminuteslive with Dizzy Rascal, Skepta, JME, Lethal Bizzle, etc, I got super hyped and it was really dope. The modern shit is just not it for me. I feel like UK is taking the same trajectory as US rap, where 80s-2000s was the golden era, and then it went into the whole mumble rap and all that shit. UK is somewhat taking the same turn, but it’s just not as drastic yet.
Uk rap, in it's relatively short history, has a lot of peaks and troughs, and personally I would say it's in one of the troughs for the last few years now. It is something skepta has been speaking about recently. But now that it is being acknowledged hopefully the UK rap scene can be revived and there will be room for the many talented artists to flourish in their own lane
aint no way you said mumble rap thats an American problem ive never heard that on uk drill and other rap/grime also uk drill is way more different than the us
@@hamadmahmood1879 I said US went into mumble rap.
@@SugaFree2387 you said taking the same turn though you said not as much but i don't think their on that route at all i mean the only obe close is cench but that was just a line that was trendy like in doja cat even he sticks to uk roots and talks about his experiences it just sounds more gen z i guess to some conoared to nines and others but he is respected streetwise in the uk because he relates to them even with these international feats
@@hamadmahmood1879 all I’m saying is that I want grime back.
the 80s 90s and 2000s rap in South London was SO underground even kids like pyg 😭
A note about the Aries Spears bit at the start: it's valid, but the only reason no British comedians have inverted the bit about the mumble generation or Chicago drill having it's nouth full during delivery, or Ice Spice, is 'cos Snoop already did that nearly ten years ago on the G Unit episode of GGN. Unturned stones are used as ammunition sometimes.
British R&B does just fine in the US. Starting at Soul2Soul, floetry and many more.
You don't get it, they just hating ..
@Deco_2k I don't think it's "Hating". I'm A Black American, not an immigrant to America, and I grew up on Slick Rick, Monie Love, soul2soul etc.We never had a problem with the British bro and sis in my generation. They were embraced right along with the Jamaicans and the others from the Caribbean.
@@darnellmoore5093 Well I grow up, Rakim, BIGGIE, 2pac, Gang Starr, De La Soul, special Ed, bonethug and harmony, Mos Def, Wu- Tang Clan , Ice Cube, SnoopDog, Dr Jay, Warren G, Foxy Brown, Queen latifah, MC Laigh a matter face MC light when to the same school I went too in Brooklyn, ect ..
@@darnellmoore5093 that my place kingtons and Portland. but i am tell the just they know they the UK man have the background from longter time with wind rush connect, when form the 80s with newer set yardi you know I know, so way u thing most a them get the talent .. it in a dem dna
@@Deco_2kbro comm3nt made no sense
Can’t say nothing on this. I used to listen to So Solid Crew. That was my introduction to uk rap.
So Solid Crew what a throwback!
What’s fascinating is that Americans seem to like what we consider to be our worst rappers
21 seconds tah tah tah.... haha. Old skool vibes.
Let’s be real it’s just the accent
That’s it!! 💯
don’t get it though it’s our language our accent
how do you think you got a pattern on how OUR accent should sound
Yea and the accent makes it sound awful
Iono I can take Little Simz, and a bunch of back pack UK rappers but I can't take UK drill seriously.
As someone who lives in the UK, i speak about it a lot to my mum that it's crazy that a lot of Americans think their is only 1 accent in the UK and they think we sound posh like the royal family, i live the north of england and it couldn't be further from the truth, there are 100s of accents in the UK
Its sad if you cant tell the difference between satire rap and real rap. Shit most of the American rappers is "satire rap"
brits are soft
@@WadeH-v8k they've been through worst then most american rappers you airhead
@@WadeH-v8ksays the person who's crying about another countries rappers 😂
Americans are so pampered and entitled they think saying something offensive is edgy and being tough.
Hilarious.
They all satire when I see foreigners copy hip hop especially the street side it’s weird because hip hop is from a people who have been enslaved then systematically oppressed for hundreds of years it’s like when other races use the n-word to sound cool
@@WadeH-v8k yeah that's how we built an empire
The thing is though is that Americans are struggling to overcome their preconceptions. Ask and American what they know of the UK and they’ll say tea and crumpets. Like they said in the video there are so many accents and the older I’ve got the more I’ve realised how certain US rappers speak so cleanly. Rappers like Rakim, Guru, KRS one don’t really sound street but are still accepted. Hatred towards the UK has to be contextualised as Americans reluctance to accept other cultures in general. Unfortunately, despite black peoples experiences in the US, many aren’t that different. Having said that, some of their gripes with UK rap are genuine. It was terrible for a very long time and it’s only recently it’s gained its own style and the infrastructure just wasn’t there for the music to get off the ground sooner. The UK is destined to be hated, they hated us if we imitated the US because that wasn’t “real” now we have our own flavour they hate that too. Fuck the haters.
nah many were just mimicing accents and sryle of Americans but there was still loads of grime and rap that wad authentic but you right about the haters
@@hamadmahmood1879 Name 10 British rappers that were mimic of your American rappers if there are many that was mimicking surly naming 10 be easy for you?
2:30 you don't get British humour. This was absolute hilarious, even Tim Westwood knew he was mucking about here.
Only Americans dislike UK rap bro wdym??💀💀
Wiley Spoke complete facts at the end of the video 🔥
Best rappers from the UK ones are the least known ones. Ocean Wisdom
dave is not least known
Is that frank ocean lil brother?
@@Marvin-ut4xsare you dumb how would that be his brother if frank ocean is american💀
Slick Rick and Doomsday!!! The best rappers to ever touch a mic from the UK
Tell me your American, without telling me you're American
Americans invented hip hop, r&b, techno, jazz, rock, blues, country, pop music, etc. the rest of the world just copied our music.
It feels like a conspiracy of gatekeeping attitudes towards UK Rappers.
Hey US, wait til you hear french rap. Your minds will explode 😂😂😂
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SKEPTA IS THE GOAT SHOUTOUT JME, UKNOWN T, GIGGS,DAVE I really enjoy the uk grime scene a lot and really it’s just an American thing and how self centered they are.
dont forget the ogs big h wiley prez t kano
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Who cares who's industry trash is better? I can't even type my top 10 list, cause the algorithm deletes the comment. They're scared of real hip hop, so the realest lyricists in the States, you'll probably never get to hear them...
I think UK drill is better than most US drill. (i’m american)
Big cap, u a brit. No American listens to uk drill.
You must've arrived here after 1965.
@@tippiebear6532 i’m telling you I do lol. I do man fr. I’m from Cali.
Should UK rappers care about The US? The top UK rappers are selling out their shows, and becoming millionaires off their craft. If Americans don't want to join the party bc of their accents, there's a big wide world of people outside of the US who do. 🤷🏾♂I always thought Cench was clever connecting with the rap/drill scenes in France, Germany, Spain and Italy to expand his fanbase across Europe. He's a marketing genius.
Rap started in the U.S. so of course they should care about the music they steal and where it comes from.
@@calaragazza3556 "steal" lol
@@chy.0190 yes steal
It will be ironic if the first big crossover from the UK, CC, is non-black when Black British rappers were trying for decades.
But the UK has never had the same stigma on white rappers as the US has had. I mean look at the streets for example, he was part of the come up of the genre alongside dizzee
@@samuelpinder1215 well the UK is only about 3-4% black so it’s not hard to believe that non-black rappers should blow up eventually. Also a white face is always gonna be more marketable to white audiences than a non-white face. Cench gets so many more brand deals than the average rapper and that bc more white kids can see themselves reflected in Cench more than a black rapper and companies wanna sell to those kids. People feel more represented by folks who look like them. It is what it is 🤷🏾♂️
@@nameisamine it's 4% and there's also mixed as well
Isn’t he mixed race?
@@jujutrini8412 mixed works based in your skin colour. Central cee isn't black
Honestly the only people making fun of UK are Nothern Americans i think. Rest of the world appreciates artists like Dave, Skepta and Stormzy cause there's actually talent there
The only Ali G influence on rap was his Julie 😂. No mention of Devlin or Plan B. Everyone knows a Dave tho hey 🤣 Nice of Willy Wonka to show up at the end 😮
Black American are out of sync with "Black Diaspora music" secene in a way other"Blacks are not. For Example everyone in the Black Global Diaspora knows vybz kartel..EVRYBODY... but in america many still not many that know. The black global diaspora, all listen & to hip hop, reggae, dancehall, reggaeton, Afro beats etc. in a way that doesnt happen in america ...In fact hip hop seems to now be loosing its popularity as the number 1 preference in the global back diaspora music scene's....
Because Black Americans like most Americans aren't as forced to be in tuned with what's going on outside of their environment. American's and American culture is self centered. Also the fact that in the U.K. there's a culture clash of Jamaicans, Africans and others so you're more likely to come across other parts of the diaspora. Hip Hop dropping out of global popularity isn't a bad thing imo.
bro thats what i said vybz kartel is a powerhouse although i dislike him cuz hes a petty criminal asf and killed ppl nobody in the us or america and touch him not even tupac
I listen to old school UK Grime, and i can honestly say UK doesnt need anyone's approval around the world, just like US Hip-Hop, UK music has rich culture as well and they do not care if they reach the masses, its their own thing which they are proud of and celebrate so i find it odd how the US audience feel so bold to talk down on UK, especially when UK always respect and appreciate whatever US does, its very odd and unprovoked and it only creates more of a divide.
Also idk why you put Westwood in here he is just a tv/radio personality, it’s like us blaming Rosenberg for USA rap being bad lol
We don’t need validity in the US since it wasn’t meant to appeal to them. It’s British Hip Hop meant to appeal to British listeners. Like every other music style in other countries meant for them. But inevitably comparisons will be made and weighed amongst scales of being the “best type of music”. The fact of the matter is Hip Hop from both countries are iconic, have an immense talent many other countries recognise and have influenced other genres and each other to a good extent. We don’t need statistics to catfish us. They are both very much wildly appreciated from an objective view. It’s an issue of ignorance that spawns mockery and culture clash a few Americans are so hellbent on.
You do, your not gonna buss if you cant touch the US, plus nobody in any other country is listening to no damn UK Rap lol
@Sha-EI it’s influential in places like Canada, Africa and Australia. Along with close proximity countries in Western Europe like France. No offence to Australia but they are pretty much catfishes. In Abuja there’s literally a whole scene imitating uk rap. I dont even have to mention its celebrity recognition and mainstream status overall. Again it’s your ignorance
@@Sha-El you're wrong. Ukbrap is huge across Europe, Canada and africa. Central cee is more streamed and currently bigger around the world than any American rapper. We inspired New York drill with the beats.
Americans act like only Americans can rap.
You ain’t wrong, I listen to uk rap sometimes. It doesn’t sound bad to me
It’s our culture that the whole world copies so we are allowed to have an opinion.
@@calaragazza3556 Yea because America invented poetry. Fuck off
Yall can rap all you want i just dont want to hear that its better than US shit when we created the shit.. put your best rapper against our best rappers and yall gettin smoked everytime
@@TrealFOET the original is ALWAYS better
There is more people in Europe then all of north America, the value of money is greater then north American currency, why do these artist care so much about the American market. America is not the world.
@watonimechanical7742 because Europe is a really diverse market. Something that's popular in Germany isn't necessarily going to blow up in the UK or in France because the cultures are so different. The American hip hop market is a monolith. When you make it there, you've made it in the biggest music market.
Here in Uganda we love our local artists, the only other type of music we play outside of other african countries is music from the U.S so you have a point
@@watonimechanical7742 Africa has some amazing music ❤️
@watonimechanical7742. yeah but i dont know any mainstream Ugandan uk artist
@@hamadmahmood1879 Ugandan artist tend to cater only to Ugandan people, there are roughly 45 million Ugandans so the artist do just fine.
All the best lyricists aren't on the radio/getting industry promotion. No matter what country you're in. Traumatik & Lowkey are two of my favorites, why is nobody in the comments mentioning them, tho? 🤔 My Top 10 list would confuse most of y'all reading this, you wouldn't recognize the names...Beware of "Independent artists" almost all of them are controlled. You don't make it on your own independently. They gate keep...hard. Beat the algorithm... that's hilarious 😂
lowkey is fire 🔥