I speak from India friend I am 50 years old.As far as our country is concerned the number of people involved in such adventures is very low.Even so, owning one is still beyond the reach of the average person.It's only when we see videos of adventurers like you that it's a motivation for us too.Thanks so much buddy congratulations.
I nearly had a nasty accident once because I was told to use a grigri when all I had ever used before was a fig8, because they work in the opposite way, I bounced much better then though :-) Keep up the good work.
I just checked out where you were. That's some kind of spot to be abseiling. The grandest view of Middlesbrough - must be! A good bit of practice. Take care. Mark
As would I normally, but we have already entered the realm of super safety where it is not even allowed to use a figure of eight to abseil or belay on a UK climbing wall as they are not considered safe. A grigri or similar is to be used instead. I am of the view that safety is largely something you learn from experience rather than are taught, and so real time thinking safety is largely being phased out and replaced by tick boxes, which are OK until you actually find yourself alone in a dangerous situation, assuming of course you can actual recognize it as such. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors I'm 62 and had not done any rappelling in years until couple weeks ago. I got some new gear.. set up in a tree. climbed up and back down twice just to feel it all working again. Going to the mountains in a couple weeks to do some rope work there. It was this very video that got me wanting to do it again. so I watched it again today.
Awesome video! I was just wondering if you've tried extending your rappel device with a sling and having your prusik above your device? This is the way I was taught and I find it much easier. It also prevents your prusik getting jammed in your device. Thanks for sharing :)
The way I normally used to abseil is only using the figure eight without the prussik loop. I was taught in the military where danger is part of the job. Forward facing abseil, now we are talking dangerous. Stay safe and I will look into your system. I use a grigri sometimes as figure eights were banned a long time ago in indoor climbing walls on the grounds of safety.
Trouble I found is that when you are used to using a figure eight you are used to pulling down to stop, with a GriGri you let the lever up to stop, the opposite action. Changing what you are so used too is not safe in that sort of situation. But it is safer for others who are not used to a figure eight so you are right. We also knew that if someone could pull on the bottom of the rope when using a figure eight or ATC that would stop the abseil also.
Hi Sam, We never used it years ago when we used to climb often and abseiling was simply a means of getting down fairly quickly but since then have seen others use it. It is safe but slows you down a lot (not that I like fast). When I got stopped using a figure eight on a UK climbing wall I got a thing called a GriGri by Petzl, let go and it locks you off automatically.
We probably overdo it a little on safety these days. When I started climbing the only safety (once you were considered to know what you were doing) was your right hand :-) I will try it with two loops next time I am up there. Also in certain circumstances using that figure eight the rope can loop up and lock off the figure eight, a prusik loop long enough to stand up in is real handy to get out of that one. You probably used the rescue figure eight with the horns to stop that happening. Thanks for the comment ATB
Yes not a good feeling if you have a very long abseil/rappel and that skinny climbing rope is rubbing on a very sharp edge and those ropes are fairly expensive.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors Yes. Protecting ropes running over an edge is definitely a good idea. The rope can get cut if it rides across the edge unter tension fairly easily...
Absolutely, not only that but this is sandstone and little particles can work their way into the core and do unseen damage. Good to keep a check on your ropes and change them out after reasonable use, which can be hard given their price. Thanks for viewing and thanks for the comment. All The Best.
Thanks for making this demonstration video. Very informative concise but detailed. If you have a moment what type of climbing rope are you using in this video? Cheers and where is that that you’re from country/region. I am in the states Northeast parked outside of new York city. Would love to do climbing have the figure 8 and just getting into it as a guy in my 30s.
The rope is an 11 mm Mammut climbing rope. Dynamic, which means it has some spring to it so if you fall on the rope you do not come to a sudden stop but rather a gradual one, saving some G-force on both your body and whatever anchor points you are using. A good harness is just as important as a rated rope. Country UK.
Both of us had a feeling your skills far exceeded what you first showed us in your first video. Way to go but Heather kept saying to quit hanging the camera over the edge. She couldn’t back away from the edge of the couch enough lols
Well I will be back to them rocks for a few more adventures so she will just have to hold onto her seat, but you are right I grew up on them hills long before the days of health and safety so I do know my limits.
Awesome video and beautiful out there. Love what you have done with your channel. You have my subscription would love to have your support as well. Thanks again my friend ATB Joe
Hi I stopped by to visit you're channel. I hit all the buttons and bell I hope you do too Tyfs ❤ I'm soooo Looking forward to seeing more videos!! Have a wonderful day much love to you 🥰
thought Bisley series was good ,,,seemed a real mixed bunch of lads .one blacksmith in a field could equip an army the ropework remined me of military training on Dartmoor in the late 70s
That blacksmith could equip an army :-) Those guys are a fantastic bunch, far more skilled than my videos showed. More basic rope work to come. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You make a very good point. Life has it's dangers, those dangers are all relative. The trick is to know ones limitations and understand the risks. I would certainly agree that someone without prior training and experience should not deliberately but themselves or others at serious risk of injury or death. Thank you for your comment.
That is so true, we are so cosseted in growing up and "normal" life that many of us simply depend on others for our safety. However for a modern life style it seems to work but I personally prefer to be responsible for my own safety and am usually very safe :-)
That is one thing you must be careful of, that your prussik loop will not jam the fig 8, otherwise you will need some more equipment to extract yourself, at least one long prussik loop. Fig 8s are not the safest device in any case, but it is what I grew up with and if you understand the dangers and do not get complacent they are simple robust and easy to understand and use. Thanks for your comment and All The Best.
Get some of them cheap cameras in the gopro style they all run on sd cards so you can use the cheap ones out in the field and put the sd cards in a reader. third angle and for £20 not to sad 👍🏻
Grasshopper Outdoors I would look at an ankle strap cos changing up the angles some times gives a better view point and the down shot is so over done and for the climbing stuff I personally would hate it floating in my eye line. But different strokes and all at 👍🏻
Very clever but in response, The truth is usually what you can find out for yourself first hand, which is why it is important to research, experiment and be a little cautious. The sad thing is, life is just too short to fit it all in :-) All the best
You say a lot about saftey, but you are taking a lot of unnecessary risks. And there is a lot you're not doing that you should be. I'm not a hater, I don't want to rattle your cage. But if you're going to put out videos, you have to expect that some silly bugger out there will be down the shops tomorrow buying the kit to try it. All in due respect. A tree climber 20+ years at it and still alive !
You comments are welcome. We live in a very risk averse society where people grow up into adults believing that someone else should be responsible for their safety. Consequently we live among very unsafe people who rely on tick boxes and "Peace of mind" contracts to keep them safe in their beds at night. You can be safe or you can be free, the choice is yours.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors yeah but whats with all of the knots in your rope and the biner? You only needed one figure eight on the furthest spike and then a clove hitch on the other spike. I would also invest in a real climbing helmet.
@@bker5376 The two anchors were not in line with the path of decent so to even out the tension on both anchors, so that the load were shared, so that if one anchor were to fail the shock load on the second anchor would be as little as possible. I have had anchors fail (usually pitons and chocks) so you get to think about these things after a few narrow misses :-)
@@GrasshopperOutdoors i het the redudency of cknnecting the two anchor points together. But adding the two figure eights and a biner into the system weakens the rope, the more knots you have in the rope the weaker the rope gets. If you brought some nuts or cams with you might have been able to back up that wonky spike and avoid using the spike thats all the way to the right. I get pitons and pegs failing but that spike looked bomber and its probably been hammered a good half foot into that rock.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors whilst im on it, you should have pointed out that you cant let go of the brake end of the rope whilst your using a prussik. You have to make a stopper knot in the brake end of the rope with either an overhand on a bite or a barrel knot to prevent you decking in case the prussik were to slip.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors The eight is true and test. Just start with the eights' large hole hooked onto the carabiner before you start to set it, and you'll never drop it. And if you can't handle the eight, the go with the nine. - ruclips.net/video/_jmhKIb7c78/видео.html
Exped Tech Always, always have the figure eight with the large hole on the carabiner before you set the rope. You will never lose the eight. A prusik above the eight is the way to go.
Rock climbing is kind of like an electrician working in a live panel blindfolded or flying a kite in a thunderstorm putting yourself in a extremely dangerous situation just for something to do.
I speak from India friend I am 50 years old.As far as our country is concerned the number of people involved in such adventures is very low.Even so, owning one is still beyond the reach of the average person.It's only when we see videos of adventurers like you that it's a motivation for us too.Thanks so much buddy congratulations.
Definitely a different approach than what I was taught or have ever used
This is just a great video. This guy is something.
As are we all, thanks for your comments and all the best.
Great video, I may get back into it someday. Used fig 8s and gri gri myself also atc's. ATB Andy
I nearly had a nasty accident once because I was told to use a grigri when all I had ever used before was a fig8, because they work in the opposite way, I bounced much better then though :-) Keep up the good work.
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Always, always have the figure eight with the large hole on the carabiner before you set the rope. You will never lose the eight.
I just checked out where you were. That's some kind of spot to be abseiling. The grandest view of Middlesbrough - must be! A good bit of practice. Take care. Mark
Yes good views of Middlesbrough, We have bigger cliffs not too far away but I thought I better keep it relatively safe as I was on my own.
I'm scared of heights always have been . Climbing and abseiling give me a terrifying happy feeling .
A healthy respect for heights is a good thing, try jumping out of an aeroplane (with a parachute of course), that will really make you happy😂🤣
I normally dont use a prussik loop and simply use the thumb up bum technique.
As would I normally, but we have already entered the realm of super safety where it is not even allowed to use a figure of eight to abseil or belay on a UK climbing wall as they are not considered safe. A grigri or similar is to be used instead. I am of the view that safety is largely something you learn from experience rather than are taught, and so real time thinking safety is largely being phased out and replaced by tick boxes, which are OK until you actually find yourself alone in a dangerous situation, assuming of course you can actual recognize it as such. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Great! Man!
Thank you, there are safer ways to abseil/rappel (and there are more dangerous way) just be careful :-)
Awesome! An old dude! I'm 60 and am into climbing. It's great I'm not alone!
Yes there is life in us old gits yet :-) Though I can confirm, I don't bounce nearly as well as I used to in my early 20s :-)
@@GrasshopperOutdoors I'm 62 and had not done any rappelling in years until couple weeks ago. I got some new gear.. set up in a tree. climbed up and back down twice just to feel it all working again. Going to the mountains in a couple weeks to do some rope work there. It was this very video that got me wanting to do it again. so I watched it again today.
Awesome video! I was just wondering if you've tried extending your rappel device with a sling and having your prusik above your device? This is the way I was taught and I find it much easier. It also prevents your prusik getting jammed in your device. Thanks for sharing :)
The way I normally used to abseil is only using the figure eight without the prussik loop. I was taught in the military where danger is part of the job. Forward facing abseil, now we are talking dangerous. Stay safe and I will look into your system. I use a grigri sometimes as figure eights were banned a long time ago in indoor climbing walls on the grounds of safety.
I use figure of eight must of the time but issue out gri gri for others
Trouble I found is that when you are used to using a figure eight you are used to pulling down to stop, with a GriGri you let the lever up to stop, the opposite action. Changing what you are so used too is not safe in that sort of situation. But it is safer for others who are not used to a figure eight so you are right. We also knew that if someone could pull on the bottom of the rope when using a figure eight or ATC that would stop the abseil also.
Fantastic video. Was the prusick safety lock something you have been taught or something you devised yourself?
Hi Sam, We never used it years ago when we used to climb often and abseiling was simply a means of getting down fairly quickly but since then have seen others use it. It is safe but slows you down a lot (not that I like fast). When I got stopped using a figure eight on a UK climbing wall I got a thing called a GriGri by Petzl, let go and it locks you off automatically.
we use the prusik( on a safety line) in the marines for climbing, but we do two turns in stead of three.
We probably overdo it a little on safety these days. When I started climbing the only safety (once you were considered to know what you were doing) was your right hand :-) I will try it with two loops next time I am up there. Also in certain circumstances using that figure eight the rope can loop up and lock off the figure eight, a prusik loop long enough to stand up in is real handy to get out of that one. You probably used the rescue figure eight with the horns to stop that happening. Thanks for the comment ATB
nice video.. we used jute bags under the rope to protect it from wearing out.
Yes not a good feeling if you have a very long abseil/rappel and that skinny climbing rope is rubbing on a very sharp edge and those ropes are fairly expensive.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors Yes. Protecting ropes running over an edge is definitely a good idea. The rope can get cut if it rides across the edge unter tension fairly easily...
Absolutely, not only that but this is sandstone and little particles can work their way into the core and do unseen damage. Good to keep a check on your ropes and change them out after reasonable use, which can be hard given their price. Thanks for viewing and thanks for the comment. All The Best.
Thanks for making this demonstration video. Very informative concise but detailed. If you have a moment what type of climbing rope are you using in this video? Cheers and where is that that you’re from country/region. I am in the states Northeast parked outside of new York city. Would love to do climbing have the figure 8 and just getting into it as a guy in my 30s.
The rope is an 11 mm Mammut climbing rope. Dynamic, which means it has some spring to it so if you fall on the rope you do not come to a sudden stop but rather a gradual one, saving some G-force on both your body and whatever anchor points you are using. A good harness is just as important as a rated rope. Country UK.
Both of us had a feeling your skills far exceeded what you first showed us in your first video. Way to go but Heather kept saying to quit hanging the camera over the edge. She couldn’t back away from the edge of the couch enough lols
Well I will be back to them rocks for a few more adventures so she will just have to hold onto her seat, but you are right I grew up on them hills long before the days of health and safety so I do know my limits.
Awesome video and beautiful out there. Love what you have done with your channel. You have my subscription would love to have your support as well.
Thanks again my friend
ATB Joe
Many thanks and will check out your channel when I get home from work.
Grasshopper Outdoors
Thanks a lot Grasshopper 😎👍🏻
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Thanks a lot Grasshopper
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Hi I stopped by to visit you're channel. I hit all the buttons and bell I hope you do too Tyfs ❤ I'm soooo Looking forward to seeing more videos!! Have a wonderful day much love to you 🥰
Many thanks Lori, I will certainly stop bye. ATB
Always, always have the figure eight with the large hole on the carabiner before you set the rope. You will never lose the eight.
Fun.
When I climbed seriously it was often just a means of getting back down, but yes fun as well and a good means of getting to awkward places.
Grasshopper Outdoors I like that. New sub for u. Hope you check me out too and connect.
thought Bisley series was good ,,,seemed a real mixed bunch of lads .one blacksmith in a field could equip an army the ropework remined me of military training on Dartmoor in the late 70s
That blacksmith could equip an army :-) Those guys are a fantastic bunch, far more skilled than my videos showed. More basic rope work to come. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Should you be doing that on your own? I don't know.
You make a very good point. Life has it's dangers, those dangers are all relative. The trick is to know ones limitations and understand the risks. I would certainly agree that someone without prior training and experience should not deliberately but themselves or others at serious risk of injury or death. Thank you for your comment.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors I think its very cool you do that on your own. We walk in traffic on our own and there we have less control of circumstances...
That is so true, we are so cosseted in growing up and "normal" life that many of us simply depend on others for our safety. However for a modern life style it seems to work but I personally prefer to be responsible for my own safety and am usually very safe :-)
Isn't prussik loop too close to fig8? They can run into each other. Never did any climbing, just watching..
That is one thing you must be careful of, that your prussik loop will not jam the fig 8, otherwise you will need some more equipment to extract yourself, at least one long prussik loop. Fig 8s are not the safest device in any case, but it is what I grew up with and if you understand the dangers and do not get complacent they are simple robust and easy to understand and use. Thanks for your comment and All The Best.
Not a problem If you set the prusik not too high from above the eight.
Get some of them cheap cameras in the gopro style they all run on sd cards so you can use the cheap ones out in the field and put the sd cards in a reader. third angle and for £20 not to sad 👍🏻
Advice taken then I can stick one on my helmet too, thanks.
Grasshopper Outdoors I would look at an ankle strap cos changing up the angles some times gives a better view point and the down shot is so over done and for the climbing stuff I personally would hate it floating in my eye line. But different strokes and all at 👍🏻
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Very clever but in response,
The truth is usually what you can find out for yourself first hand, which is why it is important to research, experiment and be a little cautious. The sad thing is, life is just too short to fit it all in :-)
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You say a lot about saftey, but you are taking a lot of unnecessary risks. And there is a lot you're not doing that you should be. I'm not a hater, I don't want to rattle your cage. But if you're going to put out videos, you have to expect that some silly bugger out there will be down the shops tomorrow buying the kit to try it. All in due respect.
A tree climber 20+ years at it and still alive !
You comments are welcome. We live in a very risk averse society where people grow up into adults believing that someone else should be responsible for their safety. Consequently we live among very unsafe people who rely on tick boxes and "Peace of mind" contracts to keep them safe in their beds at night. You can be safe or you can be free, the choice is yours.
Shouldn't both of your hands be on the brake side of the rope so then at no point your are letting go of the rope, stay safe
The short answer is no.
What is that anchor? 😂
It is an iron spike driven into the sand stone, it was put there many years ago, there is a second one I also use as a backup
@@GrasshopperOutdoors yeah but whats with all of the knots in your rope and the biner? You only needed one figure eight on the furthest spike and then a clove hitch on the other spike.
I would also invest in a real climbing helmet.
@@bker5376 The two anchors were not in line with the path of decent so to even out the tension on both anchors, so that the load were shared, so that if one anchor were to fail the shock load on the second anchor would be as little as possible. I have had anchors fail (usually pitons and chocks) so you get to think about these things after a few narrow misses :-)
@@GrasshopperOutdoors i het the redudency of cknnecting the two anchor points together. But adding the two figure eights and a biner into the system weakens the rope, the more knots you have in the rope the weaker the rope gets. If you brought some nuts or cams with you might have been able to back up that wonky spike and avoid using the spike thats all the way to the right. I get pitons and pegs failing but that spike looked bomber and its probably been hammered a good half foot into that rock.
@@GrasshopperOutdoors whilst im on it, you should have pointed out that you cant let go of the brake end of the rope whilst your using a prussik. You have to make a stopper knot in the brake end of the rope with either an overhand on a bite or a barrel knot to prevent you decking in case the prussik were to slip.
Alpine butterfly to 8 . Y hangs. Clove hitch ? Yea no thanks .
Keep it simple and it will be remembered, this is not a rock climbing channel. Atb
The y hang to 8’s is the most used rigging in rope access (industrial abseiling )
@@GrasshopperOutdoors The eight is true and test. Just start with the eights' large hole hooked onto the carabiner before you start to set it, and you'll never drop it. And if you can't handle the eight, the go with the nine. - ruclips.net/video/_jmhKIb7c78/видео.html
I'm struggling to find anything right about this abseiling demo. Please don't copy this!
Safety is a relative thing and we should all keep learning, and re-learning our limits. Atb
Exped Tech Always, always have the figure eight with the large hole on the carabiner before you set the rope. You will never lose the eight. A prusik above the eight is the way to go.
Rock climbing is kind of like an electrician working in a live panel blindfolded or flying a kite in a thunderstorm putting yourself in a extremely dangerous situation just for something to do.