Exchange on Electric Vehicles
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Electric exchange between Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA): "Given time is limited, I will confine myself to addressing the factually incorrect portions of what you have said, beginning with the assertion that EV sales are going down. They are in fact going up..."
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If the government did not direct changes in private businesses, we would never have seat belts, airbags or less smog to name just a few...
Oh yes the government knows how to better raise your children than you too ??
Exactly. "Regulation just hurts business!" - Greedy Rich People Who Care More About Money Than People
Boeing
Nor roads. The private industry didn't build any roads
The things you mentioned were invented by private companies including smog control. Wearing seatbelts is a government regulation, cars with airbags are not. Smog control regulations was a cooperative effort between representatives of the auto industry and government.
And earth is still round
Let’s drop the subsidy in gasoline then and let the market decide
Absolutely!
Get subsidies out of everything, fossil fuels, BEVs, solar, wind... everything. Subsidize people directly with a UBI.
That includes the billions and trillions of dollars spent on sending our military around the world to fight and die to protect oil
AND take away the Military umbrella that protects the Oil Industry trade
Pretty sure you don’t need a Carrier battle group to protect a Solar Farm
@@skip181sg Yeah, but a solar farm will result in Chinese dominance of the entire planet, and that would be many times worse than American dominance. Nationalization + nuclear is the way.
That wasn't "an exchange" that was Pete Buttigieg verbally slapping around a man who has no business being in government. I hope to see Pete do this more often, misinformation is like cancer.
Not really. Q1 vs Q1, BEV market share is the same this year as it was last year. Hybrid sales do seem to be increasing, though.
@@PistonAvatarGuy he said sales not market share
@@turbodog99 Yeah, but overall sales numbers probably peaked in the US decades ago.
Overall car sales haven't recovered from 2020. Looking at past economic disasters (1990, 2008), it takes about 8 years for sales to recover fully.
Compared to 2014, EV sales have been taking a larger and larger amount of the automobile market.
@@RandallJamesPeterson Overall car sales peaked near the year 2000 and will likely never reach such a quantity again. Each 'recovery' has peaked lower than the last.
The increase in BEV market share is slowing. At some point, it will stop increasing and I'm willing to bet that BEV market share wont ever exceed 20%, unless that's forced by the government. With the national debt growing in the way that it is, how much more government intervention in the market can Americans afford?
YES, YES, YES. Gas and Oil Industry being subsidized 7 times more than electric vehicles. Get that fact out ! ! !
Well over 7x more. And the cost of fixing the problems they cause are not accounted for
Drill Baby Drill ! Poof, Deep Horizon Oil Spill, effects that will last for decades, that they conveniently prefer to forget about it.
Perry got almost $200,000 in oil industry donations, check the open facts site
Trillions of dollars spent subsidizing the oil industry in the past 100 years.
Congressman contemptuously grandstanding on misinformation.
What a fail.
Charge on!
And then interrupting and talking over the secretary as he tries to answer.
Who was feeding back BS just as fast as the Congressman. I don’t know why so few voters can’t see how unserious they both are.
You must be a E car owner hoping that you have sell you two year old fire starter for half of what paid for it. Electric vehicle (EV) sales growth in the U.S. continues to slow, according to sales data analyzed by Kelley Blue Book. In the first quarter of 2024, Americans bought 268,909 new electric vehicles, according to Kelley Blue Book counts. EV share of total new-vehicle sales in Q1 was 7.3%, a decrease from Q4 2023
@@fixento Yes, the share of EV’s is a valid measure. Too bad these two geniuses couldn’t be adult enough to simply discuss it. It’s not like our economy and environment might be on the line and that they are two of the thousand or so people in the country who can actually affect our policies.
@@nunyabidness3075? There was very clearly a correct person and an incorrect person in this clip, and the correct person is named Pete
Look, an option for President that is not 80 years old.
Agreed, always been a big fan of Buttgig
Remember, you vote for Biden, you also get Buttigieg.
@@TheDudeCHT THIS - 100% THIS - voting for Biden is voting for FAR more than one man, it's for HIS ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION.
Let him get some experience and he’ll be qualified.
True....but keep in mind that option still lost against a 76-year-old 😏
Pete came with the FACTS
No. He came with obfuscation. Remove state and federal mandated purchases and what do you have?
@@dchampion5576 Gas powerered vehicles were also subsidized in the early 20th century as a way to shift the market away from horse-drawn ones, and as Secretary Buttigieg pointed out China is outpacing the U.S. on EVs; the mandates are one way to help us catch up.
That is patently false. Who told you that?
dchampion Not sure if you're asking me or the OP that question, but if you are asking for the source of my first statement, it came from a 12/19/2011 article written by Jeff Johnson and published in the magazine c&en titled, "Long History of U.S. Energy Subsidies".
@@Ann-snowshoeingonEnceladus The railroads were seriously not happy that government built roads sharply reduced passenger railroad use. How many cars would there be without government built roads? Before interstates, people took trains between cities.
This is an example where a congressman, instead of asking an expert for information, would instead prefer to TELL the expert what he wants the information to be. I hope voters in his district know the difference.
good odds he has gas and oil beneficiary lobbyists in his corner.. we need to fix our gov system
They likely don't. 😟
Feelings over facts.
@@RandallJamesPetersonit’s not his feelings, he’s in the pocket of ff industry
I doubt it. He represents confirmation bias.
Buttigieg is and was my vote for president. I would love to see him against the Rump right now.
Absolutely 💯
Agreed. He would destroy the likes of Trump in a debate.
Clearly capable of being a great president, in another league altogether.
Is “Rump” a Freudian slip?
Stop saying dumb things on the Internet.
They aren't mandating EVs. The government is mandating emissions requirements. Auto makers and consumers are free to build and buy whatever will meet those requirements.
Government refusal to build EV infrastructure after it has spent so much on gas car infrastructure would be mandating gas cars
I prefer to have a choice, so I’m in favor of charging station infrastructure. Some hate freedom tho
CA is mandating the phaseout of gasoline only vehicles (often this gets confused as an EV mandate) but plug-in hybrids will still meet the standards
@@SigFigNewtonGood thing the federal government is investing in EV infrastructure. I do wonder, though, if some states (ahem, Texas) are slow-walking the process…
@@SWalkerTTU there’s definitely a lot of money trying to get governments to slow walk the process
Pete doesn't need an EV or a gas vehicle. Pete can just ride this congressman around town like he just did. Fuel efficient!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Gold!
Agreed, most Republicans are a bag of farts: methane powered transportation. You must be mindful of limited edition models like Matt Gaetz. They are unreliable and may transport minors across state lines.
It’s a know fact that bullshit produces greenhouse gasses and further exacerbates climate change. Perry looks like he’s releasing a whole lotta greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. We need to put emission controls on congress just as much as vehicles.
Lots of hot air produced though 😂
Lmaooooo
Why doesn’t Mr. PERRY shut up. He should let Mr. Buttigieg answer his damn questions.
No no, that was GOOD behavior for most Republicans at these hearings.
@@JakeDMaier I mean, he didn't throw feces, so I guess if that is the standard now. Thanks for that MTG...
Politicians love to ask questions of witnesses and then not let those witnesses provide answers.
Because they're babies. Gosh, just think, that if adults act like this, imagine what kind of people they're raising
Perry did not need to shut up because Buttigieg had the facts and presented them in a respectful way that shut down Mr. Perry's argument in a justifiable way and made clear sense as to why the consumer has complete choice on purchase decision.
Don’t challenge Pete. He’s too quick and too smart.
Don’t challenge Pete when you’re so laughably wrong, at least
“Let me address the second factual mistake ..” a polite way to refer to the congressman’s second outright lie
You go Pete. I really think you should be in the running for president in 2024. So articulate, so completely unflustered, and so completely right.
Australian here. I fully agree 👍
If not 2024 then next time around! 2028 Buttigieg for Prez. (Or Gavin Newsom?)
As a conservative, I say we need more public servants like Mr secretary Buttigieg. He owned every politician trying to smear or bad mouth him to this day. He always answers every questions with FACTS. Regardless of party affiliation, we can all agree we hate, despise the current state of our government, whether is from maga spitting lies 24 hours a day or the dems allowing a 81 yr old run for a second term....
I think your (difficult) task is to get government thinking not just Globally, but from the correct perspective.
I've said elsewhere, there's a new game starting and USA has a choice to participate, or not.
The problem?
A country used to being "Top Dog" is going to have to accept that is , or will be no longer the case, mainly due to those like Mr Kelly preventing change over the last 2 decades.
The BEST choice for the government (Small "g") and the country?
INVITE the Chinese EVs IN... BUT under similar terms as they require (required) for US manufacturers.
It's the ONLY way to catch up rapidly.
Otherwise?
China will take the US allocation and divert that to the rapidly growing BRICS collective (20+ countries are "interested"?)
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Question.
What happens if countries comprising 75% of Global population join that community?
The PetroDollar? UNSUSTAINABLE?
General Trade? China will be fine, previously "3rd World" countries will embrace the new technologies (supplied by ....China) and move towards energy self sufficiency. They will build High Speed Rail everywhere (Chinese) Solar/ Storage? Guess who? etc.
China will be dealing in Asia, India (IF India has any sense) Africa (The WHOLE Continent) The majority of South America.
USA?
As an outside observer, I find the timing of Bill H.R 8070 "Coincidental"... Almost as though somebody thinks there may be a "Conflict" on the horizon?
(Automated selection for Selective Service)
I do not hate or despise my government, but I do recognize the need for everyone to do better. At this point in time the democrats have shown the most willingness to push ahead with critical areas that need funding and support. Pete Buttigieg is one fine example of a politician with the smarts and the energy and the moxy to tackle the divisive rankor from the extremes on both sides. I also believe he would make a good President and I hope Biden will keep him on the team so that Pete can continue to groom for the future. It is sad that it seems most Republicans are still very much stuck on litigating the past with no plans for the furture except retribution and chaos. SAD.
I wish Pete were running for prez instead of Biden...
It's probably him or newsome next.
So di I and I'm not even Murikan.
I dream of a world where Donald Trump has to debate Pete Buttigieg live on stage
Having problems with facts and justification, Mr Perry?
He was assuming, like his deplorable followers, that you can just spout nonsense and it will stand.
@@cartoonraccoon2078he’s probably more used to being on CNN, FOX, etc than talking with Pete in a setting where he literally has to give Pete a chance to speak
Lets talk about the role of government in oil. The government can either help with the price of the car once or with the price of fuel forever.
The way Mr. Perry was trying to frame it, you'd think an IRS agent would go up to your door, put a gun to your head, take you to a local car dealer, and force you to drive off in an EV.
Glad Mr. Buttigieg gave him some factual information despite Mr. Perry's attempts to repeatedly interrupt him. And EV's will work for more people if they would just give them a serious consideration, and start building out more reliable public charging infrastructure.
Elect this man as President and 100 percent of the bullshit we're wading in will go away.
ONLY IF WE GIVE THE WHOLE CONGRESS WITH HIM. Vote straight party ticket. Every level. We have to take our country back.
Mr. Perry must be in the oil industry's pocket.
Or butt crack
It ain’t their pocket where he is, IYKWIM.
So unfair. This was a battle of wits, and Perry only had a blunt rock and Pete had his lasers.
Good job Pete!
Pete B is the man--contributed to his campaign and would love to see him in higher office in the future. Give 'em hell, Pete...don't let these clowns spew lies just to get a sound byte.
Buttigieg for the win!
On 🔥🔥🔥!!
Facts being allowed to be spoken for the winnn
Pete should debate Trump
Mr Perry thank you for do not allow Mr Buttigieg explain his point, without interruption, Mr Buttigieg was listening to your question and arguments politely, why is so difficult to have manner and show your opponent respect too
Well done, Pete.
You're welcome, bot.
@@LordRykard9376Bot not.
@@LordRykard9376bot not
Buttigieg for president
When you know your argument is wrong you talk over people
What Mr Perry must understand is that there's a shift occurring GLOBALLY.
USA has 2 choices.
1) Be IN the "New Game"
2)Be relegated
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If His position is an indication of the position Government may take next year, it's going to be a difficult period for USA
As far as I can tell, the position of Republicans is that the US is a backwards and technologically incapable country and so we shouldn’t even try to keep up with energy advancements
I'm on my 3rd EV, nobody held me at gunpoint to buy any of them. Nobody is forcing anyone else to buy one either. You can barely say they incentivize them as well given as not many apply for the subsidies. I did it cuz I'm a cheap bastard, and I love having 600hp and instant torque, and have saved, according to some quick excel math, around $16k in running costs in 5 years including gas, oil changes, air filters, spark plugs etc (and I did all this maintenance myself, probably would be $20k if I had some stealership do it), and that's not including insurance. Meanwhile my EV's largest expenses are insurance and tires. Electricity costs have been negligible, especially with my free nights electrical plan. I'm not ever going to a gas car again, until I can afford a proper track car, that is.
Bought our first BEV 10 years ago.
Saved us so much annually, every family member has swapped out their gas vehicle for a BEV since.
We too will never go back to a gas vehicle.
Have you not heard of the EV bans in California?
@@craigyirush3492 you mean ICE bans, and the vast majority of these bans eventually get lifted or extended or with huge exceptions carved out That's what's happening in Europe and many other places
@@aerialbugsmasher you’re right, meant ICE. Agree about the reversals, but that only happens because the EV/Pete stans on this thread are wrong about how wonderful they are.
Wow - clarity and presence - in a pleasant yet edgy package
I wonder if Scott Perry knows oil is subsidized by the government?
We want clean air to breathe! EVs are way more efficient. An Ev will be my next purchase.
You won't regret it. They are awesome to drive.
Look at a Tesla if you want an EV.
Once you buy a Tesla, all ICE cars are POS
You have to be an ldiot to buy a new gas car nowadays.
Remind us again Mr Perry, why does the FBI still have your phone🤔
That’s gold. PB would make a great President.
Every time someone mentions subsidies for EV's it's very important to mention the subsidies given to fossil fuel companies.
Each year the US government is giving hundreds of billions in subsidies to fossil fuel companies, which make a non-sense of any complaints of the much smaller subsidies given to EV sales.
Masterful job my Secretary Pete!
Pete "roads are racist" Buttigief? Dude is a clown and people who support him are as well.
Nice job Mr. Secretary!
Someone show this to Will Smith ... Because THAT's how you slap someone down.
Underrated
Go Pete, go!!!
Really hoping our grandchildren hold the republicans accountable for climate change.
It may be all hands on deck just to survive by then.
Why isnt this giy running for president
Mr. Perry have you been, or will you be in contact with big oil?🤔
He sure was asking quite loudly for future campaign donations here
Stop letting them hide behind the word “subsides” which sounds like monies being given to a person. These particular subsides are tax incentives, all they are doing is let you earn $7500 without having to pay taxes on it. Lord forbid an average American citizen gets a tax break on a measly $7509 when there are alleged Billionaires who only pay $750 A YEAR in taxes. Where is their disgust for those behaviors?
I wish all news are like this, no hosts , no narrative, no opinion by anyone.
We need to decide by the facts.
@@planosoccer if you just let someone talk without fact checking them, you do a disservice to your audience and allow them to become mislead. The news has an obligation to inform, not platform lies.
Wow that was fantastic!
While I don’t support mandates of any kind it is laughable when conservatives point to subsidies and say “We’re all paying for it” when in fact we pay BILLIONS of dollars in subsidies for oil and gas as well 🤷🏽♂️
Scott Perry is a criminal
Is he?
Thought he was just a tool
Why can't Perry have an adult conversation instead of being so angry and pissed off. He looks so unhinged like he has an axe to grind. And why does he harp on subsidies for EV purchases? How much has the government subsidized the oil industry?
It's because the subsidies for the oil industry go into his pocket
This is your brain on Fox
That was a masterclass slapdown by the Secretary. 💪
Sure wish he'd run for president and let Joe retire. We really need to beat Trump.
Classic teardown. The face at the end is priceless.
China is going full in EV but USA is debating if we should go with EV. EV is expensive in the USA simply USA did not invest enough in industry
China needs energy security from EVs because they are Crude Oil POOR. EVs is a way for them to rely less on crude oil. US is not much better as fracking has become a financial disaster with horrific geological consequences. If US can't keep maintaining the oil production without these technology. Crude Oil supply security will also become a problem. No matter what we're going to keep using all the crude oil we can extract. But maybe not a good idea to keep consuming more than we can produce.
@@Neojhun We’ve been producing more than importing, but we need external sources for sufficient gasoline.
@@SWalkerTTU But it gets EXPORTED because we have too much of the types of crude oil needed for our domestic Distillate fuel supply. We still need to import other types of Crude to achieve the types fuels we consume domestically. Crude Oil is a vast array of difficult oil types. The total barrel amount is not really relevant to domestic Distillate fuel production. We have barely enough now and that can get worse.
@@NeojhunThat's a hard thing to explain to many uneducated americans.
Dang, remind me why it wasn’t Pete on that stage against Trump? That was expertly handled 😮💨
All around the world... where EV are available.. there sales are growing. What is this nonsense about including or excluding government sales? When Pepsico and Walmart are putting in effort to electrify their delivery fleet .... the simple question is, "What do these mega capitalistic companies that rely heavily on transport know that we don't know?".... they know the same as a yet even bigger transport company, FedEx... who completed electrifying their fleet.
EV sales in the US have either stalled, or fallen this year relative to last year.
The news is full of stories of falling EV sales.
@@craigyirush3492read more closely. Still up year over year
@@craigyirush3492who cares what the media says? Numbers are the numbers. Sales are rising yoy.
@@PistonAvatarGuyLargely because the two cheapest available models were discontinued. Their replacement is coming next year.
I bought my EV and I am very happy in all senses.
Can you imagine if he was debating Trump last night ? omg it would be a blood bath.
Please expand this conversation to include all topics related to BEVs. Long form. Let’s get all of the information out there so people can make up their own minds.
You go Mr. Secretary! Any time your opponent interrupts your response you know you're on the right track. Should you ever run again for office, you have my vote :)
The senator is so screwed up with his so-called facts that he stinking up Congress
Pete debated an egg yolk 😂
Biden needs to retire and let Pete be the nomenee. The climate needs Trump kept out of the Whitehouse.
Mr. Perry is rude & incorrect. 💥💥💥💥 He got knocked out.
I love the way Pete just plows through all the attempts at derailing his message.
Run for president…..please…
Pete doesn't suffer fools or liars... Toy sales fell Q1!!! Have you heard of Christmas? Perry is bad at lying....
I became aware of Buttigieg in his Presidential run. I have since never seen him in a debate in which he wasn't playing Chess, while his opponent was playing Checkers.
God forbid we attempt to move away from big oil
I watch Pete's factual clapbacks like I watch the Olympics!
Perry got his "facts" from FoxNews and got reality checked into oblivion XD
America had EVs on almost every road in almost every city. They were called trams. They were torn up on the false promise that automobiles could replace them -- they couldn't. Instead, to accommodate cars, every city has since been repeatedly bisected by ever-expanding highways, and every street turned into glorified parking lots. The benefit is clear: every individual now has the false freedom of a choice: to either be stuck in place, girt by an inescapable prison of highways, or to pay tens of thousands more for a personal vehicle than they would have to keep trams running. Regardless of their choice, the individual pays exorbitant tax to support the increasing obesity of the roads; widening in vein hopes of reducing congestion only to make it worse, cracking and shattering under the weight of our vehicles.
Pete Buttigieg did amazing here. Came with numbers and facts.
Scott Perry is a tool for the oil industry
You could have stopped at “tool” and still have been correct.
People who think they can go toe-to-toe with Pete Buttigieg or Katie Porter are a joy to watch get shut down.
Buttigieg has my vote when he runs for President. Dude is has a calm, clear head on his shoulders and is a class act even when others are not.
Pretty sure there are still more oil subsidies every year than there have ever been EV subsidies.
Wait. Did Mr. Perry just say the government should never prevent people from buying anything they want?
Good job Pete! I just bought my first EV and I'm never going back!
While both sectors receive substantial government support, the monetary scale of subsidies for the fossil fuel industry far exceeds that for EVs. Fossil fuel subsidies are higher both in direct terms and when accounting for externalities. EV subsidies, though lower in monetary terms, are aligned with long-term climate and sustainability goals.
Proper handling. End the dead end conversation and call out all the fear mongering misinformation. Hard to move forward in a constructive manner when starting with a base of falsehoods (common these days)
Come back when we’re at least on the right page. Well done secretary
Can we please kick Rep Perry out of the House? This guy is a joke. Vote Pete for president !
Why should the government not have a say what is allowed to drive on its roads?
Because they "think" they live in a free country.? 😂😂
Buttigieg would make an excellent President. Or a highly capable VP.
Love it. Facts against lies!
Buttigieg 2024
Mr Perry - we love our used EV Kona. It's 3 years old, 30K miles when we bought it, like new.Options beyond what we normally need in a car. We've driven it all over our state and even did a multi-state road trip when fetching it home. No problems. Was cheaper than even the majority of the "economy" cars out there. When our V6 SUV reaches 200K miles, we'll replace that with a larger EV suitable for a bit of towing and even longer trips. We're not going back to ICEV daily drivers. We mostly charge at home or our relative's home across the state when we visit them paying them for our electricity. Even when we travel out of town, the EV shines. We have found the chargers most convenient to our needs and return to them each time we need a quick charge - normally only 20-25 minutes. Seldom need to do a full charge.
I want to watch Mr Perry breathe dirty tailpipe air and say what he just said again. What a joke he is.
GO Pete Go..............You're saying it right................Paul
Pete does not loose in a debate. Pete knows his facts. Facts matter.
I will buy an EV as soon as possible.
Pete is the man for the job!
Really wanted Buttigieg to have been our president.
I am so glad the people watching this debate are smart and well informed. I really like the comments. Thank you all for helping others
Pete just slayed this guy. 😂
Congressman was PWNED!!!!