I am thinking the exact same thing, In general these kinds of cars are being made less even by bmw in the future.They will always make luxury sport cars probably but the m2 is the basically the new m3 in a lot of ways
BMW is still offering manuals, but the DCT has been discontinued. I think in the future when people are stuck with regular autos, the DCT will also be appealing.
Great reviews, always enjoy them. I recently purchased a CS. With the DCT. I don’t regret it at all. The car is amazing. I’m sure there will be some higher resale prices with the manual, but I’ll be smiling all day, every day driving the one I got. Best car I’ve owned. Doubt I’ll ever sell it.
Love the video, it perfectly expressed what this car is all about. I bought a Misano Blue with manual transmission and gold wheels...I couldn't be happier and I'm never letting this car go.
@@VarioFelce Harry’s scale is completely wrong. It’s unfortunately a porker but the footprint makes it the perfect size. You can fit 6 ft person behind another 6fter. Not many cars that drives like this and seats 4.
People always forget that surfaces you touch in a car are meant to be cleaned. I clean my alcantara wheel in my Porsche once every couple months and it looks brand new.
@@MrSchn3ll I agree. However, if you spend 10 plus hours a week behind the wheel of two cars one with good leather one with Alcantara. I promise that shelf life the leather steering wheel will far exceed that of the Alcantara wheel.
You really should drive a Manual SS1LE and report back. I think the Alpha chassis with the 1LE calibration will leave you questioning why bother buying a BMW M car post 2013.
I just watched a video on the new M4...WOW is that car ugly with the beaver teef...This, however, is a gorgeous vehicle....looks, tranny, proportions, sound....this is the only BMW that subscribes to “The Ultimate Driving Machine” motto...As for me buying it, I cannot afford it. BUT, when you buy one, I’d be more than happy to pay you a few bucks to do a ride-along and reminisce about the old days in NY...or we could just cruise the Miracle Mile!!!
I love this car. I can not wait to get it out of storage. I bought it back in January and have not driven due to the weather. My car is black with the gold wheels. I am considering wrapping it matte black.
Packaging and DOT. Supra was never designed to fit the manual transmission in the tunnel of the car, they sacrificed it to keep the car smaller. And DOT because each transmission type has to be crash tested, this costs millions to do each time.
As you may remember, I used to be a die hard Lotus guy . . . the combination of driving A LOT of Porsche for my job and Lotus going backwards has soured me on the brand.
@@MotoManTV Thinking about buying the same MKI Elise again that I had (when I was a bit younger). I pray that they do a similar car again in their new lineup.
The CS is weighed in at 1429kg with half tank of fuel. Manual trans, carbon brakes and electric seats. So its actually much lighter :-) Suspension is not set up the same way as Competition. It has more camber, and adjustable suspension. Makes a ton of a difference. It also has extra coolers like the M3/4 CS over stock Comp. Just sayin, and yes I own one. :-)
I really appreciate how accurate and thorough you are. Details on roof construction and oil system differences are missed by most all reviewers. Nicely done!
@@MrSchn3ll @MrSchn3ll you can keep the mistakes. Also, NO sportscar will ever be a reliable car and definitely no Porsche. I'm not saying they are bad but like all sportscars, they are subjected to increased wear and tear and that's just how it is. Fact of the matter is that you are much safer with a brand new BMW vs any used Porsche. Even if the reliability is worse (which is highly debatable), the BMW is covered by a 5 year warranty and the used Porsche runs out soon if he even still has one.
I think you are one of the few people who has driving both the auto and manual. Great review. For me, I think for a pure driving experience, I would have this over the Cayman 718. The manual in that car is just not quite as good. It's a shame this thing is so limited, I really think BMW would make a killing off it if production was increased.
I’ve been watching reviews of this car for months and finally was lucky to get my hands on the exact same one. I’m quite a petrol head myself but haven’t had so much fun driving a manual gearbox in a very very long time!! A car that probably comes close in the fun department is the GT3RS but that’s another story.. I don’t think many of these will be on sale because it’s just so different from the usual out there.. definitely will stay in the garage for a long long time.. great review btw and let’s hope your prediction comes true..
My favorite car for the longest time was the Laguna Seca Blue E46 M3. This M2cs manual is an honest to God second chance at having the best production car ever made in my opinion. An easy buy if it weren't so cost prohibitive. There's probably no chance I could ever own one of these until I retire at 41...10 years to go. BMW made my halo car, and I'm a Cadillac guy!
Love to get behind the wheel and give this a spin to compare against my comp. Regardless its going to be the car which will hold its value in the future. Would I take this CS over the new G80/82 M3/M4 ?...every day of the week.👍
I know BMW has made some BIG mistakes lately (did someone say BIG grill?) but this car seems really to be a solid offering. Personally, the seats are uncomfortable, the steering wheel is too thick, and a small storage compartment in the new center console would have been nice. Those are my top three things I'd done differently.
I think the premium for the manual 430 is due to the F1 gearbox being so bad, not just because they don't make them anymore. Loved the video, I'd love an M2 comp
It’s a shame that BMW only offers the 2 in turbo charged form. I get it, if the made a lower power NA base model it would probably take too many enthusiasts away from the M models. That wouldn’t really be a problem imo. If people could get a new 2 series with an i6/manual/RWD I’m pretty sure it would have been one of the best selling coupes of the last 20 years. There’s a huge void in the automotive world right now, it sits right between the $30k entry sports cars like the Miata’s, Toybaru’s and the $80k M’s, Cayman’s etc. All I want is a lightish weight, small displacement, manual sports car that’s a little nicer and more grown up then the entry level.
I did the M drivers school last September in SC and we drove (M2, M4 & M8 Comps all with DCT.s) I had much more enjoyable drives in the M2 Comps. I have a 2020 M5 Comp. Previous vehicles included: 1986 944, 2006 997.1, 2008 M3, and 2012 991.1 all in manual. I thought the Standard M2 Comp. was a fine car and don’t think I would opt for the CS ... if I could find one.
"3 pedals as god intended" quote George 2021 - last analog BMW ever..... that's the one to buy right now - couldn't agree more... Love it ! Also your new technical director has a bright future in the industry :)
What about the CROOKED SEATS?! Google it. BMW cut safety corners with the 2 series. Rather than proper engineering, they skewed the seats outward to meet side impact requirements. Your legs are not parallel with the steering column! Ridiculous. I cut my order. It’s one of those things that once you notice, you can’t forget. Look at your legs when you’re driving it. Better put your chiropractor on speed dial!
This is a really tough pill to swallow at this price. I paid $84k for my 991.2 Carrera T with 5k miles. I guess it's for those who can pretend that Porsche doesn't exist...
The M2 Competition manual is the best car BMW currently makes Is this C2 worth an extra $23-33k over the M2? No. Is the M2 Competition the smarter buy? Yes, but if you want the best M2 ever made, get it. This WILL become a collectible, if you keep the miles down
Generally I am a kind comment dude. But I can't do it this time. To speak plainly here, "Is anyone else laughing at that price point?" You should be and then see what else - also "collectible "- is available at 92K. Truth, as a former owner of a few (5) BMWS - 318, 325, X5 (2011), and an M5 (2014), the "modern" BMW I've test driven has gone to the dogs. Crappy transmissions, slushy handling, imprecise brakes that overheat easily. Remember how the old BMW's felt? That's gone. Replaced with a $92k mini track car with alcantara? That's the best BMW can do? I weep that I sold my older Bimmers.
@@gregoryludt3204 Dare I say, Insulting? Folks think about what else is available in this price range and be sure to test drive them. #$83K. It's not the price really, right? It's the value - the performance, the handling, the durability, the reliability, even as a track only car (which would require enormous bmw spec upgrades) - I'm just shaking my head. The only BMW's I see in my condo garage are M5's. Lots of well cared for Porsches (new to 20+ years old). Lots of Audi crossovers, teslas are long gone replaced by Taycans. A bunch of McLaren's sprinkled about. I write this because there are a group of well heeled weekend racing enthusiasts here - they drive everything and the results are a great indication of quality. Probably more than you needed but maybe valuable for the readers. Cheers all.
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I know it’s 20k more than the regular M2C, but it might actually be worth it on a money in, money out basis. This is a future collectible.
I am thinking the exact same thing, In general these kinds of cars are being made less even by bmw in the future.They will always make luxury sport cars probably but the m2 is the basically the new m3 in a lot of ways
Not always the case look at the M3/4 CS is has dropped like a brick
@@Michael-yz4mc It hasn't dropped that much, Even if you consider it a lot, it won't depreciate as much as most other cars IMO.
@@Michael-yz4mc Well the m2 is definitely more in the direction of the 1M which is holding its value well.
I bought one five days ago not even looking for one and completely in love with it.
BMW is still offering manuals, but the DCT has been discontinued. I think in the future when people are stuck with regular autos, the DCT will also be appealing.
Great reviews, always enjoy them. I recently purchased a CS. With the DCT. I don’t regret it at all. The car is amazing. I’m sure there will be some higher resale prices with the manual, but I’ll be smiling all day, every day driving the one I got. Best car I’ve owned. Doubt I’ll ever sell it.
Love the video, it perfectly expressed what this car is all about. I bought a Misano Blue with manual transmission and gold wheels...I couldn't be happier and I'm never letting this car go.
Looks good! just can't get over that subaru comparison..which is a much lesser car lol
@@mattfeacv5243 In real life the frozen gold 3 stage paint doesn't look anything like Subaru wheels, they are beautiful when clean.
I'm in love with the M2 CS and if it were legal, I would marry it and go on honeymoon with it!
mechanophilia as they call it
I'm just glad you didn't tell us what you would do with the exhaust pipes! 😂🤣
@@darkurious Haha, it would be a purely platonic relationship! I'm a gentleman. 😄
“Ask me if I care.” Bravo!! Perfectly stated.
Still too heavy, but so is everything else these days. Crazy price to boot and will be interesting to see how these sell.
I'm most interested in seeing if they care about reducing weight for the next 2-series. I hope they will.
in the real world is much lighter, check Harry's garage review on this car
@@MrCarGuy
The new M2 has been spotted a few times looks just as small or smaller and doesn’t seem to be heavier. But who knows.
Most of the remaining ones on autotrader are already spoken for. It’s not easy to get one in manual.
@@VarioFelce Harry’s scale is completely wrong. It’s unfortunately a porker but the footprint makes it the perfect size. You can fit 6 ft person behind another 6fter. Not many cars that drives like this and seats 4.
Perfect sports car - it deserves to be driven on the right roads.
DCT, best manual or best automatic transmission at the driver's discretion.
Double wishbone front suspension. That’s a body of work ✅
Alcantara steering wheels. On paper a good idea. In application a terrible idea for anything more than once a month use.
People always forget that surfaces you touch in a car are meant to be cleaned. I clean my alcantara wheel in my Porsche once every couple months and it looks brand new.
@@MrSchn3ll I agree. However, if you spend 10 plus hours a week behind the wheel of two cars one with good leather one with Alcantara. I promise that shelf life the leather steering wheel will far exceed that of the Alcantara wheel.
it's for track driving
Wear racing gloves, problem solved. Amazon has some nice M ones to boot.
I loved it when you were at the Butcher's Shop and Witwicky came in with his friends 😜😜😁
@motomantv What are the other cars on your list that you would personally write a check for?
Beautiful F430 by the way..
You really should drive a Manual SS1LE and report back. I think the Alpha chassis with the 1LE calibration will leave you questioning why bother buying a BMW M car post 2013.
Excellent review, many thanks from the UK.
I just watched a video on the new M4...WOW is that car ugly with the beaver teef...This, however, is a gorgeous vehicle....looks, tranny, proportions, sound....this is the only BMW that subscribes to “The Ultimate Driving Machine” motto...As for me buying it, I cannot afford it. BUT, when you buy one, I’d be more than happy to pay you a few bucks to do a ride-along and reminisce about the old days in NY...or we could just cruise the Miracle Mile!!!
I love this car. I can not wait to get it out of storage. I bought it back in January and have not driven due to the weather. My car is black with the gold wheels. I am considering wrapping it matte black.
If this has a manual then why can’t they put one in the Supra and the M340i?
Packaging and DOT. Supra was never designed to fit the manual transmission in the tunnel of the car, they sacrificed it to keep the car smaller. And DOT because each transmission type has to be crash tested, this costs millions to do each time.
because no afficionado would buy an M340i. That's a car for somebody who likes a lot of compromises and they would't usually go for a manual
I bet the Supra gets a manual soon.
This and the new Cayman GTS 4.0 with a manual are about as good as it gets these days. Imagine having one of each! Maybe throw in a Lotus too.
As you may remember, I used to be a die hard Lotus guy . . . the combination of driving A LOT of Porsche for my job and Lotus going backwards has soured me on the brand.
@@MotoManTV Thinking about buying the same MKI Elise again that I had (when I was a bit younger). I pray that they do a similar car again in their new lineup.
That would be a great Three car garage. :-D
The big problem with the Porsche is the ridiculous transmission- you have a beautiful 4L NA engine that you can’t fully use - on track and off.
@@Fluterra Yeah I think they did that because 0-60 times are what sell cars, unfortunately. But I agree with you
Question is...are you going to take the plunge on a truly awesome car and write that check? Great video!
The CS is weighed in at 1429kg with half tank of fuel. Manual trans, carbon brakes and electric seats. So its actually much lighter :-) Suspension is not set up the same way as Competition. It has more camber, and adjustable suspension. Makes a ton of a difference. It also has extra coolers like the M3/4 CS over stock Comp. Just sayin, and yes I own one. :-)
You should probably have a look at our first episode on this car where much of this was covered: ruclips.net/video/MiGNP8ZLhpI/видео.html
I really appreciate how accurate and thorough you are. Details on roof construction and oil system differences are missed by most all reviewers. Nicely done!
93k for an M2 sounds so pricey...that's dangerously close to Porsche Cayman territory!
That's way more than a good cayman, you can get a used GT4 for that - or a brand new, lightly optioned GTS 4.0 cayman - that weighs 500lbs. less too.
@@MrSchn3ll yeah and good luck with the repair bill out of the guaranty
@@hazardeur gud spellying. Porsche is one of the most reliable cars you can buy. Try again.
@@MrSchn3ll @MrSchn3ll you can keep the mistakes. Also, NO sportscar will ever be a reliable car and definitely no Porsche. I'm not saying they are bad but like all sportscars, they are subjected to increased wear and tear and that's just how it is. Fact of the matter is that you are much safer with a brand new BMW vs any used Porsche. Even if the reliability is worse (which is highly debatable), the BMW is covered by a 5 year warranty and the used Porsche runs out soon if he even still has one.
also, what's the point in comparing a used Porsche vs a new BMW. apples with apples please. The same BMW used is a lot cheaper.
Sorry bub, it's best with the DCT.
I think you are one of the few people who has driving both the auto and manual. Great review. For me, I think for a pure driving experience, I would have this over the Cayman 718. The manual in that car is just not quite as good. It's a shame this thing is so limited, I really think BMW would make a killing off it if production was increased.
I’ve been watching reviews of this car for months and finally was lucky to get my hands on the exact same one. I’m quite a petrol head myself but haven’t had so much fun driving a manual gearbox in a very very long time!! A car that probably comes close in the fun department is the GT3RS but that’s another story.. I don’t think many of these will be on sale because it’s just so different from the usual out there.. definitely will stay in the garage for a long long time.. great review btw and let’s hope your prediction comes true..
I have no doubt this is an amazing car. But 40-50% more than an M2 comp? No way it's worth that.
My favorite car for the longest time was the Laguna Seca Blue E46 M3. This M2cs manual is an honest to God second chance at having the best production car ever made in my opinion. An easy buy if it weren't so cost prohibitive. There's probably no chance I could ever own one of these until I retire at 41...10 years to go. BMW made my halo car, and I'm a Cadillac guy!
Love to get behind the wheel and give this a spin to compare against my comp.
Regardless its going to be the car which will hold its value in the future.
Would I take this CS over the new G80/82 M3/M4 ?...every day of the week.👍
Then in the very next sequence, kinda forgets to shift up from first gear at launch...
Yeah, if I was loaded I'd definitely buy it. The styling is a bit too fussy, but at least it's not ugly.
MotoMan wishlist for this car: glass moonroof :). Same here MotoMan, same here.
I wonder who will originate the stock replacement console swap first?
Driving that looks annoying
Probably not worth the price over a Competition but still great!
Great overview, I’m glad you got to experience both transmissions. Thanks!
Motoman!!! Save the manuals
@motomantv
apart from this car, what other cars would you personally write a check for?
wow look at that shitty wavy carbon wave at 1:26 on the roof. what were they thinkin? pfff. at this price point such a quality? wtf BMW
I know BMW has made some BIG mistakes lately (did someone say BIG grill?) but this car seems really to be a solid offering. Personally, the seats are uncomfortable, the steering wheel is too thick, and a small storage compartment in the new center console would have been nice. Those are my top three things I'd done differently.
So, M, which one would you pick? M2 CS or 1-series M coupe?
Shout out to Willy B! No sleep till brooklyn. 🤘
@IceDre . . . GT3
I think the premium for the manual 430 is due to the F1 gearbox being so bad, not just because they don't make them anymore. Loved the video, I'd love an M2 comp
I think bmw will make another manual m2 cs then it's over.
Imagine this guy at a bbq, would not stop talking
That is the last perfect BMW.
It’s a shame that BMW only offers the 2 in turbo charged form. I get it, if the made a lower power NA base model it would probably take too many enthusiasts away from the M models. That wouldn’t really be a problem imo. If people could get a new 2 series with an i6/manual/RWD I’m pretty sure it would have been one of the best selling coupes of the last 20 years. There’s a huge void in the automotive world right now, it sits right between the $30k entry sports cars like the Miata’s, Toybaru’s and the $80k M’s, Cayman’s etc. All I want is a lightish weight, small displacement, manual sports car that’s a little nicer and more grown up then the entry level.
I did the M drivers school last September in SC and we drove (M2, M4 & M8 Comps all with DCT.s) I had much more enjoyable drives in the M2 Comps. I have a 2020 M5 Comp. Previous vehicles included: 1986 944, 2006 997.1, 2008 M3, and 2012 991.1 all in manual. I thought the Standard M2 Comp. was a fine car and don’t think I would opt for the CS ... if I could find one.
My M2 CS has an MSO/MCO (a legal document: the Car's "Birth Certificate") generated by BMW at time of assembly that states it has a 405 HP engine.
what about the Mercedes Benz A45S?
Motoman. Which car would you pick, M2CS manual transmission VS 911 Carrera T, also in manual ?
My fingers are crossed Audi will pull a manual rabbit out if its hat for the new A3/S3/RS3!
Are you sponsored by KBB? There are quite a few new ones of these listed for sale on other sites still...
No surprise the engine & MT is the same set up as F80, all of sudden this M2CS became sensation and superb.
I can’t afford the CS but I do believe I get most of what you describe from my 06 M3 manual for less than half the price.
Believe it or not, the manual tested faster than the dct to 60. Check out the car and driver review.
Thanks for the review. 👍 Great work, please keep it up.
My pleasure!
You're slipping, My Brother... not a single comparison to the 911 😎🎩
Too many cigars on set:)
Well if want a Claus is coming. Why not add some carbon fiber wheels.
Let's hope so just bought a manual carbon ceramic brake CS in the U.K. Only 35 manual versions registered here. Fingers crossed for future values.
People born after 2000 won’t know how to drive manual by the time they are in the market for a sport car.
"3 pedals as god intended" quote George 2021 - last analog BMW ever.....
that's the one to buy right now - couldn't agree more...
Love it ! Also your new technical director has a bright future in the industry :)
He certainly does!
What about the CROOKED SEATS?! Google it. BMW cut safety corners with the 2 series. Rather than proper engineering, they skewed the seats outward to meet side impact requirements. Your legs are not parallel with the steering column! Ridiculous. I cut my order. It’s one of those things that once you notice, you can’t forget.
Look at your legs when you’re driving it.
Better put your chiropractor on speed dial!
This is a really tough pill to swallow at this price. I paid $84k for my 991.2 Carrera T with 5k miles.
I guess it's for those who can pretend that Porsche doesn't exist...
what dork compares different brands used vs new. The Porsche is probably already out of guarantee or at least close to be
Yeah but you don’t have a manual hand brake.
@@trigganometry168 and how often do you use that to powerslide??
@@MrSchn3ll More often then you can. Lol
The nearest BMW 1M has created in a long time.
Goodness this is such a beautiful automobile.
6 speed all the way..wherever you can get it
best BMW!
Awesome pure drivers car.....May I call it German Lotus?
Way too heavy.
That’s 3500lbs?! Wow. A Type R is 500 lbs lighter
yeah, that's why it's slow as fuck
Probably the end of an era for BMW.
Two words: buy one!
Manual yes
Better than GT4 as a fun weekend car?
100%
Agreed
The M2 Competition manual is the best car BMW currently makes
Is this C2 worth an extra $23-33k over the M2? No.
Is the M2 Competition the smarter buy? Yes, but if you want the best M2 ever made, get it.
This WILL become a collectible, if you keep the miles down
Generally I am a kind comment dude. But I can't do it this time. To speak plainly here, "Is anyone else laughing at that price point?" You should be and then see what else - also "collectible "- is available at 92K. Truth, as a former owner of a few (5) BMWS - 318, 325, X5 (2011), and an M5 (2014), the "modern" BMW I've test driven has gone to the dogs. Crappy transmissions, slushy handling, imprecise brakes that overheat easily. Remember how the old BMW's felt? That's gone. Replaced with a $92k mini track car with alcantara? That's the best BMW can do? I weep that I sold my older Bimmers.
@b vans seen prices on them lately? 🤯
@@gregoryludt3204 shocking stuff
@@gregoryludt3204 Dare I say, Insulting? Folks think about what else is available in this price range and be sure to test drive them. #$83K. It's not the price really, right? It's the value - the performance, the handling, the durability, the reliability, even as a track only car (which would require enormous bmw spec upgrades) - I'm just shaking my head. The only BMW's I see in my condo garage are M5's. Lots of well cared for Porsches (new to 20+ years old). Lots of Audi crossovers, teslas are long gone replaced by Taycans. A bunch of McLaren's sprinkled about. I write this because there are a group of well heeled weekend racing enthusiasts here - they drive everything and the results are a great indication of quality. Probably more than you needed but maybe valuable for the readers. Cheers all.
CT5 V Blackwing 6 speed is better?
Brand new CT5 V Blackwing just under $100k. Last V8 four don't Manual transmission ever. 668 ponies and 659 Torque!