Do the Police in Wales have a dislike of people legally owning firearms? I remember back in the ‘80s my application for a firearms permit being rejected by the Police in South Glamorgan on the grounds that they did not believe I had any place to securely store the rifle I wanted to purchase, even though I was a serving member of the Royal Air Force and the rifle was to be stored in the station armoury along with several hundred military rifles.
Let’s get this straight, if they try to fit you up by obfuscating they are acting unfairly, but if you don’t tell them about a medical condition that neither you nor the doctor deem relevant, then you are acting unlawfully. Got it!
This is beyond appalling,beyond disgraceful-nothing short of victimisation and despotic interference. The level of stupidity also beggars belief. This needs to fought to the highest levels.
They get hard about anything involving firearms. When I was an Armourer they turned up mob handed after I kicked an ex girlfriend out, like I brought my work home with me. They were disappointed when they realised she was full of it. Bellends
No real interest in firearms and certainly no desire to fire one, but surely anyone can buy a night sight without a license, so why would they keep it and not return it. Or am I wrong on that point.
@priestland1 They aren't allowed to keep it. Unless those guns were used in a crime they aren't allowed to destroy them either. They get stored at a firearms dealer and sold on and the agreed share of the profit goes to the owner. Not that you will see it as most dealers will have you over anyway
I read that they are asking into his financial affairs as they seem to have some information from the DWP - Why would the DWP even hold information about him unless he's been trying to get unemployment or disability benefit ?. They seem to be trying to prove that he has been working whilst claiming sick, a la fraud.
@@mrjudelicious no need to be rude......he wasn't stating a fact....he was almost questioning if the Nazi's took people guns....even though there is no question Mark at the end of his question, it can still be deemed a question. he never said "the Nazi's took peoples Guns" Maybe calling someone a bit thick ,was a little silly?
It would be interesting to see police firearms certification in relation to medical conditions. How many police are on antidepressants or blood pressue or diabetic meds
@@Smatnm I don't work for BASC so I don't know their membership status, but who said they haven't done anything,? The problem with publicising any involvement with non members just encourages others to believe that "someone " will bail them out if they don't join an association.
@@nickhorten97 Absolutely no one has said that haven’t (though if it were me, I’d have shouted about it if I had and written any costs off as an advertising expense) and again, it’s a valid point about people expecting something for nothing. But there’ll always be people like that……just like there’ll be many a negative voice aimed at BASC all the while there’s enough bad public opinion about them.
You don't have to accept a voluntary interview or a caution. Say no to both? A voluntary interview will be to get you to say something that implicates yourself and a caution is designed to get you to accept responsibility without them having to prove anything. The problem i see in this case is its difficult to understand how one could shoot oneself with a rifle? Although the burden of proof is on the Police to show that the shooter is a 'danger to the public' i can't see how a reasonable person could conclude anything other than some sort of negligent act by the shooter and hence the Police accusation that he is unfit to hold a certificate.
Hi there. No, they’ve misunderstood the caution thing. If someone’s interviewed by police, they are cautions, a bit like the United States Miranda rights, but obviously slightly more restrictive than the USA. This is not a simple adult caution and having been cautioned in a voluntary interview Would not count as a police caution on police system. It’s not a catch 22, they’ve just not understood it.
@@timearp8185 A voluntary interview is if you are stupid enough to attend a chance for you to drop yourself in the shit and that's what the corrupt system wants..If they had evidence you'd be arrested.
07:49 is incorrect. You are "cautioned" about what you say during an interview being used as evidence or not saying anything being an inference at court. This is different to being given a criminal caution which is a low level criminal case disposal method like an official warning.
Funny when in 2013 Christopher Parry, of Cwmbrân, shot and killed his ex-wife in Newport then turned the gun on himself. It was said that it was a pre-meditated event at trial. Mr Parry legally owned x3 firearms. Prior to the shooting dated 07/08/13, Police had been called to the martial home of Mr & Mrs Parry, upon numerous occasions. Family, friends and neighbours have confirmed that they called police over concerns to Mrs Parry’s safety through domestic abuse. However, police failed to correctly log the incidents and treated them as hoax calls or noise complaints. Therefore, in the instance where his guns should have been seized, they were not. Seems like Gwent Police can’t get it together here, they just ruin lives with their poor handling.
Just wanted to make FAC holders aware of something having seen this. Submitted my renewal application recently and later had a call from one of my referees to state that FA dept had asked him where I kept my rifles. I have never divulged this to anyone and of course he was able to say that he did not know, and he was mindful enough to add that I had never spoken to him on the subject. Not had this happen before; just be aware.
Always be 100 percent honest on your renewal and request forms , they know everything about you anyway , the form is just to see if your telling porky pies .If you tell a fib and sign it you only have yourself to blame
Hi there, thank you for making the interesting video. I think you’ve misunderstood the caution in relation to a voluntary police Senn or any interview. Being cautioned in an interview just means that you do not have to say anything but it may have to defence if you fail to mention when questions something with you later, you do say we take an evidence. This is not a police caution is in a sense of a formal police adult caution. The latter relates to someone admitting a criminal offence and accepting a formal caution that is recorded on the Police national computer and other systems as an out of court disposal. You don’t accept a police caution just by turning up for an interview. Not sure if that’s helpful but you can Google the police and criminal evidence at 1984 and you might want to have a look at a caution +3.
Thanks for this. We put all our videos into a weekly show, Fieldsports Britain, out on Wednesdays, 7pm UK time. Then we put them out as standalones. Sorry about the doubling up. / Charlie
@fieldsportstv not critical btw, just was expecting an update on that story as it's a very interesting situation that's happen. Keep up the good work 👍
I think you have the law confused wrong here. Mark would have been cautioned before giving his voluntary interview which is not the same as accepting a formal caution. A formal caution is a way of accepting that you have committed an offence and is thus recorded and included on a criminal record
I wouldn't go that far as it really depends on the nature of the ND or serious Malfunction and in the USA known as an AD (accidental discharge) stupid if you ask me as objects can't have accidents they are mechanical and malfunction and people are negligent. There have been a few cases of the new sig pistol having serious malfunctions with American police and you can't blame the officer's weapon handling in these cases as they won lawsuits against Sig. But If he had a history of NDs and serious malfunctions resulting in death injury or property damage I would speculate he can't keep his shit in a safe direction and mark and avoid for sure.
I don't think you're a shooter, any hunter know it's possible as you're walking in the woods. It's ready to trip, drop and any other thing to go wrong.
You have the Right to bear arms to defend your castle and the realm its in the constitution why are you letting a FOREIGN corporation tell you what to do your a Man higher Authority than the king
Probably an unpopular view but the guy accidentally shot himself. If I did that I'd expect all of my guns to be taken away from me. It seems foolhardy for the Channel to pick this event to plant their flag.
Agreed, it's not hard to be safe with firearms and if your shooting yourself in the arm, then what stops you from shooting someone else even if it is an accident. He must be a complete numpty.
Meanwhile in NI we can have as many realistic airsoft rifles, handguns as we want (I know its not the same as a real firearm but they can still be as damaging) and cosplay in special forces uniform for airsoft sports. Aslong as you put it in a bag when not used the police dont care.
My local MP is Reform and I live in a predominantly rural constituency, his response when I asked him, in person, about the slow, chipping away of peoples rights concerning firearms was "I'm all about fighting the trannys at the moment". Shame on him and shame on you for thinking they'll sort this shxtshow out.
And the thermal optics. Can't have anyone attempting to escape this open prison can we.
Absolutely shocking
The more innocent you are, the less you say.
Decent duty solicitor
If it was impossible for a firearm to go off when dropped the manufacturer would not perform drop tests
Do the Police in Wales have a dislike of people legally owning firearms? I remember back in the ‘80s my application for a firearms permit being rejected by the Police in South Glamorgan on the grounds that they did not believe I had any place to securely store the rifle I wanted to purchase, even though I was a serving member of the Royal Air Force and the rifle was to be stored in the station armoury along with several hundred military rifles.
Bad things happen when good people stand by and let the corrupt police do this
If the police are to remove and destroy someones property, they should be reimbursing the value of the items.
They are making impossible to get his Firearms back.
Let’s get this straight, if they try to fit you up by obfuscating they are acting unfairly, but if you don’t tell them about a medical condition that neither you nor the doctor deem relevant, then you are acting unlawfully. Got it!
it's called corruption
The same fkn gun grab they did with pistols years ago. disgusting the way they traumatise people with their harassment. it boils my piss.
just like he traumatised foxes
This is beyond appalling,beyond disgraceful-nothing short of victimisation and despotic interference. The level of stupidity also beggars belief. This needs to fought to the highest levels.
Optics are not listed on any FAC...
Surely a gun dealer could collect his guns and store them or worse case scenario sell them
Malicious prosecution civil case
I said years ago perhaps 40 years ago, this country was turning in to a police state.
I was right.
@@hstwodrainage.1410 Did you say this right after you read 1984?
@@UNICORN69HO Not read it, my own observations of working around the world.
You notice things.
If you possess a firearms certificate or shotgun certificate you will definitely be in the police crosshairs !!
That doesn't sound safe, they aren't adhering to firearms safety rules.
They get hard about anything involving firearms. When I was an Armourer they turned up mob handed after I kicked an ex girlfriend out, like I brought my work home with me. They were disappointed when they realised she was full of it. Bellends
A good solicitor
Next time the police use a lie detector 😡 Scopes and binoculars they are not allowed to grab.
How can they keep his thermal scope. It's not a firearm. That would be theft on the part of the police.
They officially won't recognise a firearm can have a serious malfunction so they probably class it as an alien space saber.
No real interest in firearms and certainly no desire to fire one, but surely anyone can buy a night sight without a license, so why would they keep it and not return it. Or am I wrong on that point.
@priestland1 They aren't allowed to keep it. Unless those guns were used in a crime they aren't allowed to destroy them either. They get stored at a firearms dealer and sold on and the agreed share of the profit goes to the owner. Not that you will see it as most dealers will have you over anyway
You call the police to real gun crime and there is no one available. Poachers run riot around me. Same with burglary.
I read that they are asking into his financial affairs as they seem to have some information from the DWP - Why would the DWP even hold information about him unless he's been trying to get unemployment or disability benefit ?. They seem to be trying to prove that he has been working whilst claiming sick, a la fraud.
Time to start sueing bigtime.
didnt they start like this in nazi germany take the peoples guns...i thought the police were meant to protect and serve not act like the cia...
The Germans relaxed Gun control
Um, no, the nazis didn't start by taking peoples guns. You are quite wrong. And may I suggest a bit thick.
@@mrjudelicious no need to be rude......he wasn't stating a fact....he was almost questioning if the Nazi's took people guns....even though there is no question Mark at the end of his question, it can still be deemed a question.
he never said "the Nazi's took peoples Guns"
Maybe calling someone a bit thick ,was a little silly?
It would be interesting to see police firearms certification in relation to medical conditions.
How many police are on antidepressants or blood pressue or diabetic meds
one rule for them ..different rule for the rest of the Plebs apparently
How are BASC helping them?
This is when we rely on them the most.
Are they BASC members? BASC isn't a charity.
@@nickhorten97It’s a valid point, but instances like this still affect U.K. shooting and how BASC react could be an excellent advert for membership.
@@Smatnm I don't work for BASC so I don't know their membership status, but who said they haven't done anything,? The problem with publicising any involvement with non members just encourages others to believe that "someone " will bail them out if they don't join an association.
@@nickhorten97 Absolutely no one has said that haven’t (though if it were me, I’d have shouted about it if I had and written any costs off as an advertising expense) and again, it’s a valid point about people expecting something for nothing. But there’ll always be people like that……just like there’ll be many a negative voice aimed at BASC all the while there’s enough bad public opinion about them.
I didn’t think the BASC took on legal cases anymore even for its members?
So do you refuse a voluntary interview? how does one get around the caution catch 22 ?
You don't have to accept a voluntary interview or a caution. Say no to both? A voluntary interview will be to get you to say something that implicates yourself and a caution is designed to get you to accept responsibility without them having to prove anything. The problem i see in this case is its difficult to understand how one could shoot oneself with a rifle? Although the burden of proof is on the Police to show that the shooter is a 'danger to the public' i can't see how a reasonable person could conclude anything other than some sort of negligent act by the shooter and hence the Police accusation that he is unfit to hold a certificate.
If you refuse to attend then you'll arrested. A VA is just you attending at a time and place agreed with you rather than you being forced to.
Hi there. No, they’ve misunderstood the caution thing. If someone’s interviewed by police, they are cautions, a bit like the United States Miranda rights, but obviously slightly more restrictive than the USA. This is not a simple adult caution and having been cautioned in a voluntary interview Would not count as a police caution on police system. It’s not a catch 22, they’ve just not understood it.
They can only caution you if YOU accept said caution.
@@timearp8185 A voluntary interview is if you are stupid enough to attend a chance for you to drop yourself in the shit and that's what the corrupt system wants..If they had evidence you'd be arrested.
Heartbreaking, why the optics?
07:49 is incorrect. You are "cautioned" about what you say during an interview being used as evidence or not saying anything being an inference at court. This is different to being given a criminal caution which is a low level criminal case disposal method like an official warning.
Funny when in 2013 Christopher Parry, of Cwmbrân, shot and killed his ex-wife in Newport then turned the gun on himself.
It was said that it was a pre-meditated event at trial.
Mr Parry legally owned x3 firearms.
Prior to the shooting dated 07/08/13, Police had been called to the martial home of Mr & Mrs Parry, upon numerous occasions.
Family, friends and neighbours have confirmed that they called police over concerns to Mrs Parry’s safety through domestic abuse.
However, police failed to correctly log the incidents and treated them as hoax calls or noise complaints.
Therefore, in the instance where his guns should have been seized, they were not.
Seems like Gwent Police can’t get it together here, they just ruin lives with their poor handling.
Plain and simple it's theft in my book
Gwent police obviously do not know anything about the internal workings of a firearm. Enlist BASC to help.
An unusually knowledgeable and helpful duty solicitor.
Just wanted to make FAC holders aware of something having seen this. Submitted my renewal application recently and later had a call from one of my referees to state that FA dept had asked him where I kept my rifles. I have never divulged this to anyone and of course he was able to say that he did not know, and he was mindful enough to add that I had never spoken to him on the subject. Not had this happen before; just be aware.
Always be 100 percent honest on your renewal and request forms , they know everything about you anyway , the form is just to see if your telling porky pies .If you tell a fib and sign it you only have yourself to blame
Hi there, thank you for making the interesting video. I think you’ve misunderstood the caution in relation to a voluntary police Senn or any interview. Being cautioned in an interview just means that you do not have to say anything but it may have to defence if you fail to mention when questions something with you later, you do say we take an evidence. This is not a police caution is in a sense of a formal police adult caution. The latter relates to someone admitting a criminal offence and accepting a formal caution that is recorded on the Police national computer and other systems as an out of court disposal. You don’t accept a police caution just by turning up for an interview. Not sure if that’s helpful but you can Google the police and criminal evidence at 1984 and you might want to have a look at a caution +3.
Thanks. Good info. / Charlie
No reason to take optics at least
This is the same video you posted a month ago????
I’m sure it is🙄
@vwdubguy1 episode 782 👍 12days it's first 10mins of that episode. No new information added.
Thanks for this. We put all our videos into a weekly show, Fieldsports Britain, out on Wednesdays, 7pm UK time. Then we put them out as standalones. Sorry about the doubling up. / Charlie
@fieldsportstv not critical btw, just was expecting an update on that story as it's a very interesting situation that's happen. Keep up the good work 👍
I think you have the law confused wrong here. Mark would have been cautioned before giving his voluntary interview which is not the same as accepting a formal caution. A formal caution is a way of accepting that you have committed an offence and is thus recorded and included on a criminal record
Could he not get an rfd to collect and store his guns?
Anyone who accidentally shot themself is clearly incapable of safely handling a firearm.
Then anyone who makes a mistake driving a car should also lose their license.
@WreckItRolfe an excellent mentality. Perhaps anyone falling off a ladder should lose their ladder too?
I wouldn't go that far as it really depends on the nature of the ND or serious Malfunction and in the USA known as an AD (accidental discharge) stupid if you ask me as objects can't have accidents they are mechanical and malfunction and people are negligent.
There have been a few cases of the new sig pistol having serious malfunctions with American police and you can't blame the officer's weapon handling in these cases as they won lawsuits against Sig.
But If he had a history of NDs and serious malfunctions resulting in death injury or property damage I would speculate he can't keep his shit in a safe direction and mark and avoid for sure.
I don't think you're a shooter, any hunter know it's possible as you're walking in the woods. It's ready to trip, drop and any other thing to go wrong.
You have the Right to bear arms to defend your castle and the realm its in the constitution why are you letting a FOREIGN corporation tell you what to do your a Man higher Authority than the king
What are you banging on about?
How many times are you going to rerun this same story ??
its developing further, you would know if you watched the video
@@MrRambo438no, this is identical to a few weeks ago
@@MrRambo438same video as a few weeks ago nothing different
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 that’s what the plod haves become.
Probably an unpopular view but the guy accidentally shot himself. If I did that I'd expect all of my guns to be taken away from me. It seems foolhardy for the Channel to pick this event to plant their flag.
I mean accidents can happen and i wished they didnt, that's why we have insurance.
So if any person puts any size dent in a motor vehicle they should not be eligible to own or drive a motor vehicle.
@@butchphillips873 it's not a car though is it. almost any wally can get a car.
@@butchphillips873 Motor vehicles are designed to transport things, not kill things.
Agreed, it's not hard to be safe with firearms and if your shooting yourself in the arm, then what stops you from shooting someone else even if it is an accident. He must be a complete numpty.
Meanwhile in NI we can have as many realistic airsoft rifles, handguns as we want (I know its not the same as a real firearm but they can still be as damaging) and cosplay in special forces uniform for airsoft sports. Aslong as you put it in a bag when not used the police dont care.
Airsoft works the exact same way in the rest of the UK, not an NI thing.
Vote Reform next time.
Vote Reform? And that'll help how exactly? And how do you know he didn't vote Reform? What an utter stupid and irrelevant comment.
My local MP is Reform and I live in a predominantly rural constituency, his response when I asked him, in person, about the slow, chipping away of peoples rights concerning firearms was "I'm all about fighting the trannys at the moment". Shame on him and shame on you for thinking they'll sort this shxtshow out.
Yes of course. Racism is the answer.
@@kt5661not irrelevant, very relevant under a reform led government shit like this wouldn't happen.
@@BYTltd Of course it would...they don't care about asnything but their pocket