In this case it looks like she was just foolish and didn't realise what she did until it was out of her mouth. Considering his lively hood was on the line he probably should have had a conversation with her before to explain what the implications would be if she was loose with her lips when it comes to reporting mental health issues. Different matter if he actually was suicidal or seriously depressed with period if time. If they were just having a one off argument about something that could be easily resolved or experiencing short term stress over finances she literally pressed the nuclear button.
@@DaynaElizabethOriginal You can't retract this kind of call otherwise it would be super easy for abusers to force the victim into calling the police back and retracting the accusation. The police have to show up and evaluate the situation to ensure that both parties and any third parties are safe and happy. It's not like reporting a stolen phone only to find out it had fallen down the back of the sofa
@@DjDolHaus86 no I understand this, but if the person in question (Lewis in this instance) was out on a walk when the original call was placed. This says to me the wife was making a malicious call and realised it was wrong but the wheels were already rolling from this. The police should realise this also IMO
@@DaynaElizabethOriginal You're looking at the situation as black and white. We only have mateys side of the argument, it all sounds like a misunderstanding from his perspective, however we don't know how much of a rage he was in before he went to calm down, we don't know if arguments have previously escalated to violence, we don't know if matey is of sound mind or whether he's capable of awful things if pushed far enough. The police don't know whether this is the case, they don't know whether it's someone looking to crank on the spite after a bit of a blowout or whether it's someone who made the call before being slapped around or otherwise threatened into retracting the allegations. I'm not saying it's right or wrong in this instance, all I'm saying is that we know about as much or even less than the police when they got the call about a domestic involving someone with access to firearms.
@@DjDolHaus86 no I totally understand what you're saying, but I think if he's never had a past of any mental health etc then it's very hard to believe that something like this could be true, with the wife calling right back trying to take back what she said etc it all seems like a clear cut case of wife being vindictive. I've seen the same thing happen to a friend of mine, the partner even admitted it was lies and he still never got his back.
This is absolutely disgusting, if my wife had done this to me out of spite,then I'd have been straight down the solicitors and she would now be an ex wife
Police hate them. There is a mass of report writing, follow-ups and liaison to do and if you make the wrong decision and something happens you have years of crap to face. Along with the possibility of prosecution once the coroners court, criminal courts, public enquiries and muppets like you have had their say.
@@NeuravnoveRSand next time they argue, when the accusation involves violence, his jail time won't matter because it was a simple mistake on her part right? Simp
@@NeuravnoveRSonly a fool would think like that a father does not need to be with the mother for the child to have a bond with it parents wake up your shallow
@@NeuravnoveRS The wife is a vile piece of work he is better off without her and the kids will thank him later . Better to grow up out of an abusive relationship
cry some more. Did it ever occur to you that often these accusations are true? They certainly were WRT my ex brother-in-law who had a gun licence and several unlicenced shotguns under his bed - what a great advert for responsible gun ownership! His wife could have called the police about them at any time - guess what - she didn't, because they were married. BUT if there was a divorce in progress and she notified the police YOU would talk about vindictive women, not lying gun owners.
You of course have proof of this? Were you there when they argued? Have you seen everyone's signed statements and heard her 999 call? Have you checked police records for any historical info? And can you actually show that the police enforcement was of poor quality under the circumstances? Because if it was that simple, any old lawyer would have sorted it out for him by now.
@@dudeyfeb88coachThe only surprise they are in is how poor education rids someone of their critical thinking and let’s them submit to a controlling government.
Yes some states have the same red flag rules. Ex wives just have to say the same and your 2nd amendment is over. All over the west they want us disarmed.
Over the last few decades I have sold off all my firearms/shotguns due to the continually increasing hassle I was getting from firearms licensing every 4 years. The G.P. letter was just icing on the cake four years ago and that was when I sold my last 3 shotguns. I would quite happily have kept ALL my guns if it wasn't for the continued increase in incompetence and paranoia that has taken over both the government, senior police and firearms licensing departments, both in Devon and London. As far as I am concerned the police should realise that those that hold these licences/permits are the most law abiding of citizens compared to the continual increase in violent crime by others in the country. I do not believe the government nor the police will be happy, across the UK, until no one has any firearms/shotguns stored at home. Sad days for many in this country and for what! Paranoia in my opinion.
This is exactly what the Government want! To hard & everyone just gives up & hands in their guns! Bet the illegal immigrants won't comply with ANY of these laws!
Part of the plan imo,,,, apart from police/ MOD / Farm owners being allowed 1 heavily licensed /secured gun. if we're still allowed guns n this country in 15-20 years time I'll be very surprised.
The thing I don't understand is the wife's reactions to an argument. It seems like she knows how to inflict maximum hurt on her husband. If she had come to his side and admitted her overreactions, I could get that. I mean, you don't do things like that to the ones you love. I hope you get your guns back. Good luck.👍
Yes, stupidly it will impact on their joint economics since it will affect their pest control business. A case of not thinking of the outcome of being spiteful.
I’ve been in this situation and it’s incredibly difficult to get to grips with. Shooting has been my life to the core, both as a sport and a business.and after an argument with my partner she called the police to say she had my cabinet keys . Which she had found while I was out . This resulted in the fire arms team entering the property ,and removing my firearms and shotguns.it cost me my passion and a significant income, but luckily after four years of some very important people backing me and making the police see common sense , my FAC and SGL were returned and with my permissions still in place .life has now continued as it should have always in the first place!!!!!. Always try to cooperate with the police and firearms team as best you can with representation because it’s a mine field out there . Stay safe everyone and may you all continue with our beloved sport 🙏
So there is not a chance he is a manipulative person? What if he is an arsehole to her and she wanted to leave him but he told her that he would not be able to live without her making her feel guilty and responsible if he did harm himself then manipulated her to make her think she had caused a massive problem for no reason? None of that could be remotely possible?
They are afraid of uprisings in the UK! look how the government are treating us unfairly and sending our hard earned money away. Would I shoot someone, no! If I was in combat from years ago I would have no choice! The Home Office are full of pathetic people with no common sense! They would not know how things work, if it looks dangerous they ban it. The UK is a nanny state, if so it should be one for all and ban the coppers carrying tasers and guns also..
If they could they take them all its the mindset there all so anti gun but why they gave guns out like candy for there wars they made and ocoursevthe common person died for no freedom
Firearms control needs to be removed from the police. They should be required to get a court order. The police are out of control. There needs to be a national firearms agency.
No. It's none of any part of gubmint business, what tools anyone possesses! We're at the point of having no rights in our own country, at the hands of those we elected to REPRESENT us.
To be staffed by those who hate the thing they control, just like all other departments. Stop looking to your big daddy to fix your problems, that is the source of most of todays issues Some of us are adults and are fed up being treated like children so you can feel safe like a 5 Yr old hanging off daddy's leg
Firearms need to be removed from society completely. I am 100% happy that the police can cancel a firearms licence on the merest whim. I hope they exercise those whims regularly and widely. You gun is NOT A RIGHT, it is something we all allow you to have....for as long as we all allow it.
@@occamraiser people like you scare me far more than any firearms owner. This man depends on his tools for his livelihood and his customers rely on him to prevent themselves from being overrun with pests. If there are concerns about your mental health for driving then the DVLA have to go through a process before they can restrict your driving licence and if you break the traffic laws then you have to go through a judicial process beyond a reasonable doubt in order for your licence to be disqualified. I don’t think it is just for the police to be able to seize property based on hearsay and opinions without at least a judicial check. If they can obtain search warrants at short notice then they can also do the same when dealing with firearms issues. I recall a story from a police officer with the Cumberland and Westmoreland Constabulary called Eric Greenslade concerning the separate police force that guards Sellafield - it turned out that the force did not have the correct legal authorisation to hold firearms due to a bureaucratic oversight. To quote him: “I was at headquarters in Penrith when it happened. The then chief constable came in and identified that the BNFL or United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority hadn’t firearms certificates for their firearms. He said, ‘I’m seizing all those guns’ - because they were better armed than us.” So if the police are willing to do that to each other (and potentially compromise the security of a nuclear installation in doing so) what hope do members of the public have?
This incident can easily turn someone who just needed to cool their head following an argument, into someone who could potentially be suicidal by taking their hobby and livlihood away from them. It's a disgrace, someone needs to be held accountable and things need to change. I hope financial compensation is paid for loss of earnings.
Who's going to pay that, his wife? Realistically the police did what they should, given the report they were faced with. The long and short of it is that his wife has well and truly dropped him in it.
@@TigerLeadFont5 Given the good history of the gun owner, what the police should have done is taken the firearms for 48 hours to let everyone "cool off" so they feel theyre doing their part and then return the fierarms. if the police put in the effort to investigate this man (icluding a phyc check at their expence) they would find him to be fine.
@@kryptoDayz Would they really find him mentally fit? I don't think so, because their ''mental health specialist'' will no doubt be more interested in finding something wrong by virtue of him being put forward for assessment in the first place. They won't want to jeopardize their nice little earner from the police, by not agreeing with their assessment and having him given the all-clear, as it was pointed out that nobody is willing to put their name to the ''he's fine'' report, that's not what they are there for. How can anyone prove to anybody that they are not a possible risk to anyone else, because we all have the ability to act independently regardless.
Yet an old 90 year old housebound guy who, had threatened two carers & a disabled girl with his walking stick, puting them in fear of their safety was allowed to keep his firearms & shotgun certificate? ... still thats just a reflection of the quality of "The Filth" in Hertfordshire!!
I went through this exact scenario. Suffolk constabulary took my firearms away after and argument with my wife and just as I thought I was going to get them back I stupidly got caught by a speed camera and that was enough for them to keep hold of them. I eventually had them transferred to my local RFD and put up for sale. 2 out of 9 of my firearms had deteriorated in police storage and had to be destroyed. 18 months on 2 are still at the RFD for sale and I gave up trying to get my certificates back.
This is typical of the abuse firearm owners face from the police, it is their mission to remove all private firearm ownership in the UK. Overreaching powers are held by often vindictive or ignorant police officers.
The only person in this story that has mental health problems is the Wife and what the hell is he still doing with her? A leopard never changes its spots he will go through all this to get his guns back and she will do it all over again.
Something very similar happened to me, extremely spurious, and there is almost no recourse unless you want to spend £8k plus. When I announced I intended to appeal, officers emailed me encouraging me to re-apply in 18 months and said they would even expedite my application if I did so (all on email!)! As a model citizen, no criminal record, to be told that because my car was broken into twice I was 'being targeted', and renewal refused. I hope someone can do something about this.
Really? You know this when you hear only one side of the story, after the fact, from a person with an agenda, and without hearing the other side? Have you heard her 999 call or read her witness statement? Did you see his behaviour during and immediately after the argument? Have you any knowledge of UK law and what it says the police should do, or what guidelines they are given? 🙄
Sue them. They never carried out a mental health assessment before they took them and the officers have no mental health qualifications. You have incurred losses due to you using them for business .
Plod always thinks they have the necessary qualifications, the plod I know have no common sense or can hang a picture on a wall without it falling off! They are the ones who need mental health assessments!
This is the reason we packed up and crossed the Atlantic Ocean but there are STILL people who want to take our guns rather than pursue actual criminals.
I was reported as being suicidal by someone I had never had a conversation with, two firearms officers turned up in full body armour, taza and sidearm that put a lump in my throat I can tell you. They asked to come in yes no problem and they told me after twenty or thirty minutes do I look and sound suicidal to you, to which their reply was err no. I was prescribed Amitriptyline 25mg tablets as a painkiller but when the firearms officer came to see me he kept on saying that it could be used for depression that's all he kept saying I had since stopped taking them TBH I've not missed them.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba Yes I agree I had a spinal injury, I had a spinal injury I had three operations at Derriford and was then sent to the spinal unit at Salsbury Hospital was in the Hospital for three and a half months I am lucky I am still walking just.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba Too much hard work for them, less paperwork so they can sit and eat their donuts! The coppers in the UK, have you seen the size of most of them? Jesus, how would they run and catch a true criminal. Easy, takes guns away and their stats will be fine. No wonder these pathetic plods are prioritising guns, your house gets robbed they don't attend! The UK is doomed, protest and protest to the clowns in charge at Westminster. Anyone seen a calm protest a few weeks ago? Jews were arrested but the boat people were allowed to march on. Something needs to be done. Unfortunately no one has the guts to protest like they do in France. Nanny state is an understatement.
😱 Even if you were depressed should that mean they take your guns? It seems like overkill to me. Presumably gun owners now feel that can't be candid with their GP. The truth is, life can be depressing. It can throw tragedy or devastation at any moment.
This happened to a friend of mine because of his mrs. He had his license's revoked and all guns seized. Luckily he had legal cover and got everything back.
Why will the psychiatric community not carry out an assessment? do they not have any faith in their practice? They study for years to learn all they need to know on the human psyche and charge patients accordingly. If they had ability to assess people as they claim, surely some one could step up and help this man get his life back without fear of something going wrong in the future? After all, we all have arguments with loved ones, it sounds as if this mans wife over reacted and regretted it as soon as she had said it.
It's risk. If a psych signs him off as sane and he then does something untoward, despite being perfectly sane at the time that the psych saw him, suddenly that psych's career is in jeopardy.
The problem is that doctors are personally liable if they say that someone is safe and that turns out to be incorrect. You can't force someone to do something that could end their career if they make a mistake. But I take your point that this is someone's livelihood. Perhaps there should be a process whereby this liability can be suspended , but that process doesn't exists at the moment, and only a change in the law would create it. Time to talk to your MP when they are elected/re-elected.
@@noelwallace5257 he has a commitment to the child, leaving could put that welfare in jeopardy. The court system here is very one-sided. He could end up hardly seeing her again, estranged until the kid was an adult.
Gun laws get tightened because a mental incel man goes on a murderous shooting spree, gun communities response to this: more mental incel nonsense. Good luck.
Where firearms are concerned I'd very much rather them err on the side of caution... instead, I blame the wife for initiating this unnecessarily and further blame the psychiatric community for not stepping up to clear this man so the police can have confidence in returning the firearms.
I agree that the police have got to be so careful with the public who own fac or shotgun cert.....dont blame the medical profession...as lewis said,then they dont want to be blamed in case something goes wrong down the line....it's a sad situation for a lot of fac holders,got to be treading on eggshells
@@leevespa4564 yet they gave the shotgun back to the curly haired freak who even looked like a nutter let alone all his online videos saying weird shit about women…
@@jimbooth35 What is likely to happen there is gun owners won't involve the police in anything, as they will have even less trust in the police, and you can't blame them really.
I've just had 5 sir rifles seized by the police. I had an argument with some lad, who knew I had air rifles. He phoned the police, he said he saw 2 air rifles in my land rover and i threaten him. Now, I dont know where my guns are, ive had no contact with the police in the last month. £4,500 worth of kit because of false allegations. To say I'm gutted is an understatement. Good luck fella
A total non-story. His wife obviously called 999 and said her husband was suicidal and had guns and in this instance, the Police are obliged by statute to seize them. Imagine if they had failed to act and the guy topped himself, they'd be hung out to dry. To be honest, we'll never know how much of the actual incident has been shared from his end. This is just what he was will to report to this RUclips channel. However, the real story is that his wife was daft enough to sabotage him like this.
A scenario like this is a massive fear of mine. Shooting is the only hobbie I have been able to hold onto after being badly injured/disabled in a workplace injury several years ago, helping to keep me active when i can and providing a great benefit to my mental state. Yet I am in constant fear that im just one new pain medication away from having them taken off me. If anything an approach like this from the police will have the opposite effect to what you would think they would want, with people not reaching out when they need to out of a fear of it triggering a knee jerk reaction.
Incompetence in the field of mental health is astounding. Often we read in the news of psychiatric cases in the community who should have been incarcerated-but aren't-often committing serious crimes-even murder, and yet because of a dubious one-off spurious report- which ends up damning the victim with serious repercussions and prove difficult to resolve- with catastrophic financial consequences in this case-where is the social justice here?
The fact that she called back trying to retract what had been said? Surely this shows you who is the person in the situation with the mental health issues? 🤨 Me thinks the police want to look into who's wasting their time!
So he needs a psychiatric evaluation to determine if he is safe to access to his legally held firearms but is still allowed free and easy access to kitchen knives, chisels, screwdrivers and the use his vehicle at the same time? It’s easy to see what’s really going on here and it has nothing to with his family’s safety! Perhaps working harder to get illegally held firearms and other weapons out of criminal circulation would be a more productive use of police time. In the too hard basket for them perhaps.
Because she is the mother to his soon to be 2 children, she may well have realized what a stupid decision she had made calling the police for no good reason and jeopardizing her whole future for her and her children.
Maybe she was genuinely concerned for him? He'd lost it enough to have to cool down, maybe this was unusual for him to do? Personally I feel he's mostly at fault for the situation, the police are trying to protect the public, imagine what we'd all say if he was given them back and he'd gone postal. Lastly, by his own admission, he refused to go to the counselling session, not the move of someone thinking rationally. I'm not being judgemental, just saying it how I see it. One thing I picked up from watching this, the laws around being able to retrieve your firearms in this situation obviously need review. It surely can't be legal for the system to require a psychiatric review that cannot be obtained in the real world due to being then culpable for all future actions by the patient. The path to being repatriated should be smoother and a ton more realistic with the state having to at least refund the value of all the items seized, after all, no crime was actually committed.
Why should he destroy his family because of a minor setback? It's not his kids' fault. Married men have to be resilient, and not just run away when there's any problems. Also, we've only got his side of the story, maybe his missus had good reason for thinking the bloke whose hobby is killing deer (bc he "loves" them) was suicidal. Having said that, I would be upset if my wife called the cops on me, but that's also because things shouldn't get that bad
I (then a Military Firearms Instructor) was once in the position where I could conduct live firing of automatic weapons as a Range Conducting Officer (ie the bloke in charge on Military Ranges sending BCR's into theatre) yet couldn't shoot pigeons or rabbits in my own back yard afterwards cos I had a similar finger pointed at me. (BCR=Battle Casualty Replacements . The Military are exempt from such nonsence & after much huffing and puffing told me to get on with it!)
He’s already lost his livelihood and his hobby perhaps he didn’t want to loose his house, his pension, most of his wage packet for the feast of his life and more unfounded accusations meaning he’d never see his son again.
I really feel for Lewis, the process is totally broken. It was a de facto seizure, but lawfully they were voluntary surrendered whilst he underwent a suitability review (even though it didn't feel like it!). If it was seized, then it would need to have been done with a warrant under Section 46, where they had to demonstrate to a magistrate that there is a need to seize the firearms in question because not doing so represents a danger to public safety or the peace. But yes, I can totally see that these were seized using ultra vires powers. He's still a licensed holder, just not currently holding the firearms or license/certificate. Ironically, *if* they revoked the certificate he would have grounds to appeal the revocation at the crown court... but with this made-up-process they are using, there is no method to appeal. The advice I would give is send a letter to them *requiring* them to return them within 30 days, or revoke your certificate & license which then gives you the right to appeal, as defined in Section 44 / Schedule 5 of the Firearms Act 1968. (They don't have grounds to revoke, or they would have already!) The law is clear on this, that if they feel they need to revoke the license/certificate they can, but this current holding position is outrageous, where it takes away your lawful right to appeal. Having reviewed Firearms Act 1968 and Home Office guidance on Statutory Guidance for Chief Officers of Police, there is nothing in requiring you to have a psychological review, you have the report from the GP which is sufficient to have them returned. If however, Lewis did declare a relevant medical condition on his application form, then the police may ask you to obtain (and pay) for a "medical report" to assist in their consideration of medical suitability (this can be from your GP), this can just state that you have no mental impairment or similar. Then the important bit because it now moves the responsibility to the police to arrange, "If a further medical report is subsequently required by the police to assist with consideration of the application, the police will pay for this." - 2.37 Home Office guidance on Statutory Guidance for Chief Officers of Police Do a Subject Access Request (DSAR) with the constabulary regarding anything related to the suitability review and also do a Freedom of Information Request (FOA) requiring them to provide a break down of all firearms seized in the month that yours was, explicitly defining the protected characteristics (where held) under the Equality Act 2010 of each person which had theirs seized. Whatever you do, don't just wait and hope they eventually do the right thing, you need to keep up the pressure with them. Also, whilst I agree it was responsible to require a qualified firearms officer to take custody of them, lawfully any crown servant does not require a license or qualifications to transport them (Section 54). In fact, the police could authorise a regular taxi driver to transport them, and this sometimes happens when they are being transported on their behalf.
the only time fireams can be siezed without a warrant if a person has been arrested for an indictable offence and officer believes its evedience of an offence
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba I'm indifferent about the counselling avenue. There is nothing in law or policy which requires this and is clear made-up-on-the-spot policy which is a clear overeach. There are legally defined powers for revocation, with defined appeals process... But the police feel they can invent their own framework on the fly, which needs to be robustly rejected IMO. I also don't think it is helpful to assume there is more to the story, because it plays into "no smoke without fire". We know there was no arrest or it seems investigation, so we should assume it is bullshit.
@@DaveW-h2r we need start using the bill of rights 1688 (which is still in force and cannot be impliedly repealed - LJ Laws 2002 high court ) using the ban of confiscation of property without conviction
I dont know the law in the UK, but where I live now, unless you are in the act of committing a crime, they cannot enter your house without permission or a court order. I suppose the call from this mans wife gave them reason to attend, then she allowed them access......? I am legally required to hand over firearms if requested to do so, but they cannot enter without a court order to take them. So I suppose I would have to bring them to the door. I used to live in the UK, from what I am seeing online, I am glad I no longer do. Its a crying shame to see once Great Britain become..... just Britain.
Moral, If you own firearms: Don't ever escalate any kind of argument with your wife, dont even raise your voice to her, even if she deserves it. And never ever admit to any kind of mental health issue.
I was the victim of the same thing. An exgirl friend made up the same lies. Got mystuff back eventually but it was very exhausting. Best of luck pal, am sure everything will be ok
Why should you be made to undertake an unlawful request to have a psychiatric assessment carried out, against your will that is only based on one individual's opinion, that may well affect you for the rest of your life, all psychology is subjective with no absolute or demonstrable outcome. Have you considered if the wife was acting rationally and not the one to be in need of a mental health assessment?
Not firearms related but my wife accused me of strangling her… completely made up but long story short I’m due to face a crown court trial in September 2025. Reality is she was the abusive one but the police seem to believe all women when it comes to reporting domestic incidents. It’s shocking and could as this guy proves could happen to anyone
Unfortunately, your only chance of beating this charge is to become a transexual or identify as a flower, who can then claim the protection of the persecuted minority club, or else face the wrath of the British Judiciary and take your chances as an alleged wife-beater, whose preference is strangulation of his victim's.
I sincerely hope someone in the medical community will be prepared to stick their head above the parapet and help this man. I for one am glad I gave up shooting before the handgun ban came in, in 1997. I let my FAC lapse in 1996 after the Dunblane massacre as saint Tony bloody blair made it clear he was going to take our guns away.
A similar incident occurred to me when a so-called friend accused me of threatening them with my firearms. The police firearms unit came, I was arrested, guns were seized, and I was questioned before being released. I then had to meet with the local firearms officer. everything was good and my guns were returned to me. it was simply protocol in place to protect everyone This is how it should be
This is beyond a joke now, why can’t the kent police concentrate on stopping all the new peoples turning up on beaches& why is he still with that wife,she’s the instigator in all this
when i was keepering my underkeeper was playing around and got found out by his wife. luckily he told me what was happening. i said right first thing we do is get your guns into storage before she tells them a crock of shit. he said no she wouldnt do that to me . anyhow after a while of persuading the guns were in storage with a mate who is an rfd. . 2 weeks later the shit hits the fan he is arrested by armed police and taken into custody. all he had at home was an air rifle . still took 12 months to get the guns back even though she was clearly lying .
The Government, Home Office (!!😕) or Police must surely provide links to mental health professionals that will/ MUST make an assessment. As with GPs being allowed to 'opt out' of the process for applications and renewals, (and charge whatever they like!!) it's crazy. Their personal beliefs and thoughts should never come into the equation and they should not be allowed to hide from their responsibilities as healthcare providers. It is a job and part of their responsibility to patients must be to follow the rules and complete the form or carry out any assessments required. The same therefore must be absolutely set in stone for psychiatrists and mental health professionals. If some form of workable but non corruptable indemnity is required, so be it. But somewhere, a system that provides care and support for those who need it, MUST be in place and compulsory if the Police are allowed to insist on a specific pathway. It's utterly bonkers to have a situation in place, whereby it's a complete impossibility to carry out their instructions. It's like saying you can have the guns back if you can turn up on Monday with a unicorn and a mermaid! These awful events with the police are going to continue to escalate and increase unless the government (whoever that turns out to be! God help us all) steps in to redress the balance here, and create a system of evaluation that functions efficiently, swiftly and fairly for all. The huge tragedy is, they are now creating serious mental health issues where none existed prior to the stress of going through all that with the police in the first place!! No one ever wants any event of domestic strife to escalate into any form of violence. That clearly is a top priority for society as a whole and we, as firearms users, must understand and abide by that as the first priority. However, much of this extra stress, confusion and chaos could and should have been avoided if the police in the Plymouth tragedy (and no doubt other cases) had done their job and acted according to all the legal safeguarding that should have been so obvious in the first place. As we all now know, that terrible shooting would never have taken place if they had not handed back the very firearms used, to a man they knew full well to have a previous history of mental health and domestic violence and confiscation of firearms. And what prosecutions for 'aiding and abetting the unlawful deaths' of those victims in that shooting have taken place? As far as I am aware, none. All we seem to have now, is a situation whereby the police are never wrong and the seizure of firearms can lead to an impossible situation for those who have their firearms taken away. As with the Post Office case, there needs to be a scale of fair compensation in place following the return of those firearms, so that all costs are recovered and loss of earnings compensated for, following a positive report. Anything less is surely a form of discrimination and legally quite dodgy. I wish this gentleman all the luck in the world in sorting it out.
This is exactly what happened to me, fortunately the court could see what was going on, I had them returned to me and compassion for a air rifle and all the cartridges they destroyed, I had a doctor's medical report, when I had to renew it asked about motoring offences which I had none so all good, you are entitled to hold a certificate they need to find a excuse not to issue one, hence speeding as one chap has said. You have a responsibility having a certificate and that responsibility doesn't stop just at having the privilege to legally owning guns every aspect of your life, What worries me is the amount of guns that are out there illegally. Or the amount of knifes.
I've been thinking about trying to obtain a shotgun licence in the future, but I'm apprehensive about this exact thing happening to me, or just outright being denied. I've had severe depression and suicidal thoughts for the past 7 years. There's not a chance in hell I'd ever shoot myself or someone else, even at my worst I've never hurt anyone, but I don't know if just the diagnosis alone will hinder me. The last thing I need is to get my licence, install safes, buy a shotgun, then a few months later, I contact my doctor worried that my medication isn't working, and boom! Everything is seized and my licence is removed.
Don't bother, you won't get one with a record like that and honestly nor should you. Not only could you hurt yourself or others, but if / when that happens it's the rest of us innocent gun owners that get slapped with more restrictions and crap. This is only happening to this guy because of that pratt in Plymouth! I know it sounds harsh but go fishing instead.
Sadly my guns have also been removed from my home, applied for renewal few months before hand. But with the “delays” license expired so armed police turned up and removed and confiscated them. Nearly 3 months on and still no license and police still have my firearms. I had not been arrested or in any trouble, just the license has expired due to the police taking to long to send out the new certificate.
A constable is licenced to seize and have in their possession any firearm. They might well not be trained to unload and make safe, but they don't need any special permission to take possession of them. They'll normally avoid it like the plagues if at all possible, but they're allowed to do so.
What’s that (similar) story about the guy preempting his wife’s spite, storing his guns at the local shop and just put the receipt in his cabinet. When the police rocked up to a (false) claim of misuse, they opened the cabinet to find the receipt dated days before the ‘incident’…!
I hear more and more of this type of grab your guns . Surely spouses need to be held account when making alligations that are nothing but spiteful or false on some accasions
Routine response officers can recover firearms, as long as they’re red-tagged, but TFU officers are the ones who can clear them. The Chief Constable authorities the luxury of owning firearms and the associated certificates. They can withdraw the privilege if the suitability of the certificate holder is questioned. Usually, policy suggests that this would be queried after domestic or mental health incidents.
This is not the Police's fault, they're just trying to not get fired. If you or the people you choose to associate with involve the state in running your personal life then you're going to suffer.
So the police were called to a domestic abuse call, and with reports of a male who was suicidal. Who then refused to give the firearms over to police officers - who can seize firearms whether they are firearm cops or not. Then they seized the firearms? What else could they do - just leave them there. Perfectly reasonable
Sorry but what incidents over the past few years, are related to pest controllers murderering with their licensed firearms? His wife span a fantastical tale to the police, who were more than willing to eat it up!
I worked for my local nhs trust in wton where i collegue made accusations to management stating i had taken guns into work, all was a fabrication by this individual who was previously suspended and held a grudge. Well the police searched my locker at work without my permission or knowledge then several armed police with dogs invaded my home, they didnt bream the door in as they thought there was nothing to it but the damage was done, management at the trust then tried to accuse me of having a mental health condition and suspended me on no evidence what so ever, i had a meeting with the police a few days after in which they agreed the trust acted wrongly towards me. I have shot ten meter olympic rifle and air rifles most of my life without incident. The trust put me through a year of legal stretched out wrangling i even tooknthem to an employment tribunal. I havnt worked for the trust since then or want to set foot in the place where my rights were abused by these people. I have moved on since then but have heard more stories like mine at this trust.
There is a pattern emerging in these cases, and usually a spiteful woman is involved
In this case it looks like she was just foolish and didn't realise what she did until it was out of her mouth. Considering his lively hood was on the line he probably should have had a conversation with her before to explain what the implications would be if she was loose with her lips when it comes to reporting mental health issues. Different matter if he actually was suicidal or seriously depressed with period if time. If they were just having a one off argument about something that could be easily resolved or experiencing short term stress over finances she literally pressed the nuclear button.
Or........she could not phone the cops to try to hurt him
Yes…that comment is absolutely correct. What the hell is happening. A woman scorned is more lethal than a .375 magnum.
It would seem that way, if you're a naive moron, who believes one side of a story.
This reminds me of that Chris Rock advice for not getting beaten by the police. The last one being "don't ride with a mad women".
Why is there never a mental health check on the accuser?
I'm trying to understand this... especially when she called back trying to retract it 🤨
Wasting police time much 🤦🏻♀️
@@DaynaElizabethOriginal You can't retract this kind of call otherwise it would be super easy for abusers to force the victim into calling the police back and retracting the accusation. The police have to show up and evaluate the situation to ensure that both parties and any third parties are safe and happy. It's not like reporting a stolen phone only to find out it had fallen down the back of the sofa
@@DjDolHaus86 no I understand this, but if the person in question (Lewis in this instance) was out on a walk when the original call was placed. This says to me the wife was making a malicious call and realised it was wrong but the wheels were already rolling from this.
The police should realise this also IMO
@@DaynaElizabethOriginal You're looking at the situation as black and white. We only have mateys side of the argument, it all sounds like a misunderstanding from his perspective, however we don't know how much of a rage he was in before he went to calm down, we don't know if arguments have previously escalated to violence, we don't know if matey is of sound mind or whether he's capable of awful things if pushed far enough. The police don't know whether this is the case, they don't know whether it's someone looking to crank on the spite after a bit of a blowout or whether it's someone who made the call before being slapped around or otherwise threatened into retracting the allegations. I'm not saying it's right or wrong in this instance, all I'm saying is that we know about as much or even less than the police when they got the call about a domestic involving someone with access to firearms.
@@DjDolHaus86 no I totally understand what you're saying, but I think if he's never had a past of any mental health etc then it's very hard to believe that something like this could be true, with the wife calling right back trying to take back what she said etc it all seems like a clear cut case of wife being vindictive. I've seen the same thing happen to a friend of mine, the partner even admitted it was lies and he still never got his back.
This is absolutely disgusting, if my wife had done this to me out of spite,then I'd have been straight down the solicitors and she would now be an ex wife
@Corey-mm7jw Name the God involved . There are loads
@Corey-mm7jwshut up ffs
And then she'll tell the courts you were abusive and unfaithful and you'll lose half your shit.
@@anneominous7172 It would be better than the alternative, which would be living with a devious lying manipulative narcissistic wife
@@Interdiction CROM!
Blame your wife 100% if she hadn’t phoned the police this would not have happened this is the type of phone call the police love
Yea true, wankers
Police hate them. There is a mass of report writing, follow-ups and liaison to do and if you make the wrong decision and something happens you have years of crap to face.
Along with the possibility of prosecution once the coroners court, criminal courts, public enquiries and muppets like you have had their say.
Yeah, .
no baying crowds of Ali-Snacks-Bars causing mayhem that police in their ultimate wisdom can stand around and do absolutely sweet F A.
My ex told me the woman cop quite literally put words into her mouth for a statement.
You miss phrased "divorce" your wife.
You're better off without her, mate. Everyone else can see it!
If she's going to screw him over this...what else will she do?
Had this happen to a mate a decade ago...all over being a scorned woman! He ultimately left the country and started over elsewhere
@@NeuravnoveRSand next time they argue, when the accusation involves violence, his jail time won't matter because it was a simple mistake on her part right?
Simp
@@NeuravnoveRSonly a fool would think like that a father does not need to be with the mother for the child to have a bond with it parents wake up your shallow
@@NeuravnoveRS The wife is a vile piece of work he is better off without her and the kids will thank him later . Better to grow up out of an abusive relationship
It's standard, women make the call, then police ruin the man's life.
Its why I don't date in the uk , and not interested .
UK misandrists charter
cry some more. Did it ever occur to you that often these accusations are true? They certainly were WRT my ex brother-in-law who had a gun licence and several unlicenced shotguns under his bed - what a great advert for responsible gun ownership! His wife could have called the police about them at any time - guess what - she didn't, because they were married. BUT if there was a divorce in progress and she notified the police YOU would talk about vindictive women, not lying gun owners.
Yep.
My ex was so bad even the filth didn’t support her.
Still with your wife? Having another child with her?..... I would question your mental health. 😱
Always a scorned or spiteful woman that instigates these instances, then followed by poor quality police enforcement.
True words
You of course have proof of this? Were you there when they argued? Have you seen everyone's signed statements and heard her 999 call? Have you checked police records for any historical info? And can you actually show that the police enforcement was of poor quality under the circumstances? Because if it was that simple, any old lawyer would have sorted it out for him by now.
Things like this happen when you choose the wrong wife.....This is insane!
UK normie women .
Callum from.English shooting is also married to an anti gun uk woman .Well he's not getting them back and his business is finished by 2030 .
Same happened to me. Cost me my career.
And every wife can become the wrong one at the turn of a hat.
And people wonder why the Americans are against giving up their second amendment rights!!!
You might be surprised .
@@dudeyfeb88coachonly demonrat unamerican commies wanna get rid of the freedom seed dispensers. Not real, contitutional republic Americans.......
@@dudeyfeb88coachThe only surprise they are in is how poor education rids someone of their critical thinking and let’s them submit to a controlling government.
Americans will be disarmed soon. The house passed a hate speech bill and stated are constantly infringing on the 2A. The usa is fubar too.
Yes some states have the same red flag rules. Ex wives just have to say the same and your 2nd amendment is over. All over the west they want us disarmed.
Over the last few decades I have sold off all my firearms/shotguns due to the continually increasing hassle I was getting from firearms licensing every 4 years. The G.P. letter was just icing on the cake four years ago and that was when I sold my last 3 shotguns.
I would quite happily have kept ALL my guns if it wasn't for the continued increase in incompetence and paranoia that has taken over both the government, senior police and firearms licensing departments, both in Devon and London.
As far as I am concerned the police should realise that those that hold these licences/permits are the most law abiding of citizens compared to the continual increase in violent crime by others in the country.
I do not believe the government nor the police will be happy, across the UK, until no one has any firearms/shotguns stored at home.
Sad days for many in this country and for what! Paranoia in my opinion.
They need to be brought to justice instead of listening to the home office who Do Not Have a Clue!
This is exactly what the Government want!
To hard & everyone just gives up & hands in their guns!
Bet the illegal immigrants won't comply with ANY of these laws!
Part of the plan imo,,,, apart from police/ MOD / Farm owners being allowed 1 heavily licensed /secured gun. if we're still allowed guns n this country in 15-20 years time I'll be very surprised.
@@BishopBallsby I agree, big brother isn't just watching, he wants total control...
@@BishopBallsby We wont be here ,weve lost London, it'll be Pakistan mk2 by then .
The thing I don't understand is the wife's reactions to an argument. It seems like she knows how to inflict maximum hurt on her husband. If she had come to his side and admitted her overreactions, I could get that. I mean, you don't do things like that to the ones you love. I hope you get your guns back. Good luck.👍
Yes, stupidly it will impact on their joint economics since it will affect their pest control business. A case of not thinking of the outcome of being spiteful.
I don't
his wife knew EXACTLY what she was doing, who to call & what to say. Probably rehearsed it dozens of times !!!
@@yyy-875 Interesting observation.
I’ve been in this situation and it’s incredibly difficult to get to grips with. Shooting has been my life to the core, both as a sport and a business.and after an argument with my partner she called the police to say she had my cabinet keys . Which she had found while I was out . This resulted in the fire arms team entering the property ,and removing my firearms and shotguns.it cost me my passion and a significant income, but luckily after four years of some very important people backing me and making the police see common sense , my FAC and SGL were returned and with my permissions still in place .life has now continued as it should have always in the first place!!!!!. Always try to cooperate with the police and firearms team as best you can with representation because it’s a mine field out there . Stay safe everyone and may you all continue with our beloved sport 🙏
so his missus ruined everything, divorce her.
So there is not a chance he is a manipulative person? What if he is an arsehole to her and she wanted to leave him but he told her that he would not be able to live without her making her feel guilty and responsible if he did harm himself then manipulated her to make her think she had caused a massive problem for no reason? None of that could be remotely possible?
@@Stu81 yup, utterly inconceivable. top marks. you a real one.
By hook or by crook they want these LEGAL guns in.
They are afraid of uprisings in the UK! look how the government are treating us unfairly and sending our hard earned money away. Would I shoot someone, no! If I was in combat from years ago I would have no choice! The Home Office are full of pathetic people with no common sense! They would not know how things work, if it looks dangerous they ban it. The UK is a nanny state, if so it should be one for all and ban the coppers carrying tasers and guns also..
If they could they take them all its the mindset there all so anti gun but why they gave guns out like candy for there wars they made and ocoursevthe common person died for no freedom
Firearms control needs to be removed from the police. They should be required to get a court order. The police are out of control. There needs to be a national firearms agency.
No. It's none of any part of gubmint business, what tools anyone possesses! We're at the point of having no rights in our own country, at the hands of those we elected to REPRESENT us.
Like the super powerful NRA in the US?
To be staffed by those who hate the thing they control, just like all other departments.
Stop looking to your big daddy to fix your problems, that is the source of most of todays issues
Some of us are adults and are fed up being treated like children so you can feel safe like a 5 Yr old hanging off daddy's leg
Firearms need to be removed from society completely. I am 100% happy that the police can cancel a firearms licence on the merest whim. I hope they exercise those whims regularly and widely. You gun is NOT A RIGHT, it is something we all allow you to have....for as long as we all allow it.
@@occamraiser people like you scare me far more than any firearms owner.
This man depends on his tools for his livelihood and his customers rely on him to prevent themselves from being overrun with pests.
If there are concerns about your mental health for driving then the DVLA have to go through a process before they can restrict your driving licence and if you break the traffic laws then you have to go through a judicial process beyond a reasonable doubt in order for your licence to be disqualified. I don’t think it is just for the police to be able to seize property based on hearsay and opinions without at least a judicial check. If they can obtain search warrants at short notice then they can also do the same when dealing with firearms issues.
I recall a story from a police officer with the Cumberland and Westmoreland Constabulary called Eric Greenslade concerning the separate police force that guards Sellafield - it turned out that the force did not have the correct legal authorisation to hold firearms due to a bureaucratic oversight. To quote him:
“I was at headquarters in Penrith when it happened. The then chief constable came in and identified that the BNFL or United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority hadn’t firearms certificates for their firearms. He said, ‘I’m seizing all those guns’ - because they were better armed than us.”
So if the police are willing to do that to each other (and potentially compromise the security of a nuclear installation in doing so) what hope do members of the public have?
This incident can easily turn someone who just needed to cool their head following an argument, into someone who could potentially be suicidal by taking their hobby and livlihood away from them. It's a disgrace, someone needs to be held accountable and things need to change. I hope financial compensation is paid for loss of earnings.
Who's going to pay that, his wife?
Realistically the police did what they should, given the report they were faced with. The long and short of it is that his wife has well and truly dropped him in it.
@@TigerLeadFont5 Given the good history of the gun owner, what the police should have done is taken the firearms for 48 hours to let everyone "cool off" so they feel theyre doing their part and then return the fierarms.
if the police put in the effort to investigate this man (icluding a phyc check at their expence) they would find him to be fine.
@@kryptoDayz Would they really find him mentally fit? I don't think so, because their ''mental health specialist'' will no doubt be more interested in finding something wrong by virtue of him being put forward for assessment in the first place. They won't want to jeopardize their nice little earner from the police, by not agreeing with their assessment and having him given the all-clear, as it was pointed out that nobody is willing to put their name to the ''he's fine'' report, that's not what they are there for. How can anyone prove to anybody that they are not a possible risk to anyone else, because we all have the ability to act independently regardless.
Yet an old 90 year old housebound guy who, had threatened two carers & a disabled girl with his walking stick, puting them in fear of their safety was allowed to keep his firearms & shotgun certificate? ... still thats just a reflection of the quality of "The Filth" in Hertfordshire!!
Herts filth are indeed filthy.
Happened to a dealer I know but it was his interfering mother in law who called the police. Completely destroyed his business.
Always believe the female narcissist. Because chicks never lie🤦🏼♂️.
I went through this exact scenario. Suffolk constabulary took my firearms away after and argument with my wife and just as I thought I was going to get them back I stupidly got caught by a speed camera and that was enough for them to keep hold of them. I eventually had them transferred to my local RFD and put up for sale. 2 out of 9 of my firearms had deteriorated in police storage and had to be destroyed. 18 months on 2 are still at the RFD for sale and I gave up trying to get my certificates back.
This is typical of the abuse firearm owners face from the police, it is their mission to remove all private firearm ownership in the UK. Overreaching powers are held by often vindictive or ignorant police officers.
I'm curious how they deteriorated? Here in the US, we often keep guns stored for decades without an issue.
How does speeding have any bearing on a firearms certificate?
The only person in this story that has mental health problems is the Wife and what the hell is he still doing with her? A leopard never changes its spots he will go through all this to get his guns back and she will do it all over again.
Something very similar happened to me, extremely spurious, and there is almost no recourse unless you want to spend £8k plus. When I announced I intended to appeal, officers emailed me encouraging me to re-apply in 18 months and said they would even expedite my application if I did so (all on email!)! As a model citizen, no criminal record, to be told that because my car was broken into twice I was 'being targeted', and renewal refused. I hope someone can do something about this.
This is really disgusting.
Really? You know this when you hear only one side of the story, after the fact, from a person with an agenda, and without hearing the other side? Have you heard her 999 call or read her witness statement? Did you see his behaviour during and immediately after the argument? Have you any knowledge of UK law and what it says the police should do, or what guidelines they are given? 🙄
@@another3997 ... Nice try brit... We don't go for north korean/british style totalitarianism in the US.
@@another3997 he wasn't charged you dense f...
@@curly__3simpleton.
Not sure the police are to blame….your wife’s the issue here mate….it appears to be spiteful and that’s what our dearest do.
Sue them.
They never carried out a mental health assessment before they took them and the officers have no mental health qualifications.
You have incurred losses due to you using them for business .
She is the problem.
He’s right think you have a case here
If only it was that easy to bring a claim against the police...
Plod always thinks they have the necessary qualifications, the plod I know have no common sense or can hang a picture on a wall without it falling off! They are the ones who need mental health assessments!
They're doing their job it was it's wife who screwed him over
This is the reason we packed up and crossed the Atlantic Ocean but there are STILL people who want to take our guns rather than pursue actual criminals.
I was reported as being suicidal by someone I had never had a conversation with, two firearms officers turned up in full body armour, taza and sidearm that put a lump in my throat I can tell you. They asked to come in yes no problem and they told me after twenty or thirty minutes do I look and sound suicidal to you, to which their reply was err no. I was prescribed Amitriptyline 25mg tablets as a painkiller but when the firearms officer came to see me he kept on saying that it could be used for depression that's all he kept saying I had since stopped taking them TBH I've not missed them.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba Yes I agree I had a spinal injury, I had a spinal injury I had three operations at Derriford and was then sent to the spinal unit at Salsbury Hospital was in the Hospital for three and a half months I am lucky I am still walking just.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba Too much hard work for them, less paperwork so they can sit and eat their donuts! The coppers in the UK, have you seen the size of most of them? Jesus, how would they run and catch a true criminal. Easy, takes guns away and their stats will be fine. No wonder these pathetic plods are prioritising guns, your house gets robbed they don't attend! The UK is doomed, protest and protest to the clowns in charge at Westminster. Anyone seen a calm protest a few weeks ago? Jews were arrested but the boat people were allowed to march on. Something needs to be done. Unfortunately no one has the guts to protest like they do in France. Nanny state is an understatement.
Lol 😂 you dafty, never let police in without a warrant
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Even if you were depressed should that mean they take your guns?
It seems like overkill to me.
Presumably gun owners now feel that can't be candid with their GP.
The truth is, life can be depressing. It can throw tragedy or devastation at any moment.
This happened to a friend of mine because of his mrs.
He had his license's revoked and all guns seized.
Luckily he had legal cover and got everything back.
they will do any thing to take your guns,sorry to here,
Dedman by name.... Dead man in the marriage. She knows now!! she's firmly in the driving seat after this debarcle
Yup she’s got that in her locker now for future use it’s a sad situation
their relationship will NEVER be the same , even when he gets his firearms back .
Why will the psychiatric community not carry out an assessment? do they not have any faith in their practice? They study for years to learn all they need to know on the human psyche and charge patients accordingly. If they had ability to assess people as they claim, surely some one could step up and help this man get his life back without fear of something going wrong in the future? After all, we all have arguments with loved ones, it sounds as if this mans wife over reacted and regretted it as soon as she had said it.
Still tho that’s not something you do after an argument that’s called spiteful !!!!
It's almost like it's all a load of bunkum!
@@WreckItRolfe With devastating consequences for all concerned that will not disappear.
It's risk. If a psych signs him off as sane and he then does something untoward, despite being perfectly sane at the time that the psych saw him, suddenly that psych's career is in jeopardy.
The psychiatric field have NO right to refuse to assess him! It's discrimination and persecution!
The problem is that doctors are personally liable if they say that someone is safe and that turns out to be incorrect. You can't force someone to do something that could end their career if they make a mistake. But I take your point that this is someone's livelihood. Perhaps there should be a process whereby this liability can be suspended , but that process doesn't exists at the moment, and only a change in the law would create it. Time to talk to your MP when they are elected/re-elected.
The one bit of advice is pick a better chick...
... The fact he's still with the women is very telling 🤦🏼♂️
She had one child with him already, which limited his options. Frankly he had no good options left.
@@user936 errr, leave🤷♂️
@@noelwallace5257 he has a commitment to the child, leaving could put that welfare in jeopardy.
The court system here is very one-sided. He could end up hardly seeing her again, estranged until the kid was an adult.
@@user936 commitment to a child doesn’t mean having to suffer the piece of shit woman🤷♂️
First mistake, Getting married. Second Mistake, staying married
To a UK woman and in the uk .
Sad but true..
duuurrrr you are just incel broski you dont have game bro women are nevar wrong!!!! my wifes boyfriends never complain nore do i
Gun laws get tightened because a mental incel man goes on a murderous shooting spree, gun communities response to this: more mental incel nonsense.
Good luck.
Amen to that !!!!
Pest controller who can't control the biggest rodent
Hilarious
Unhinged woman
@@noelwallace5257 he kept her and she's pregnant again what a bloody f001 i wouldn't trust him with a spoon
@@noelwallace5257 Quite possible but the system doesn't take that into account.
@@onepup-pr3yl oh yes it does
Just not as you would think ?
Incompetent policing again.
Where firearms are concerned I'd very much rather them err on the side of caution... instead, I blame the wife for initiating this unnecessarily and further blame the psychiatric community for not stepping up to clear this man so the police can have confidence in returning the firearms.
@@jimbooth35yet they gave back the shot gun the that curly haired freak who shot up his village….
Clearly this is just a gun grab to disarm the public
I agree that the police have got to be so careful with the public who own fac or shotgun cert.....dont blame the medical profession...as lewis said,then they dont want to be blamed in case something goes wrong down the line....it's a sad situation for a lot of fac holders,got to be treading on eggshells
@@leevespa4564 yet they gave the shotgun back to the curly haired freak who even looked like a nutter let alone all his online videos saying weird shit about women…
@@jimbooth35 What is likely to happen there is gun owners won't involve the police in anything, as they will have even less trust in the police, and you can't blame them really.
I've just had 5 sir rifles seized by the police.
I had an argument with some lad, who knew I had air rifles.
He phoned the police, he said he saw 2 air rifles in my land rover and i threaten him.
Now, I dont know where my guns are, ive had no contact with the police in the last month.
£4,500 worth of kit because of false allegations.
To say I'm gutted is an understatement.
Good luck fella
his wife knew EXACTLY who to call & what to say. Probably rehearsed it dozens of times !!!
A gp not wanting to to their job…what a surprise and a waste of taxpayers money
If he really wanted to harm his wife and son, he wouldnt need Firearms to do it.
I recall a case where A Man stabbed his wife 300 times.
They are making sure that no one has any weapons
Thank heavens they weren't told about the balloon-on-a-stick in the shed, otherwise they would have confiscated that as well.
😂😂
A total non-story. His wife obviously called 999 and said her husband was suicidal and had guns and in this instance, the Police are obliged by statute to seize them. Imagine if they had failed to act and the guy topped himself, they'd be hung out to dry. To be honest, we'll never know how much of the actual incident has been shared from his end. This is just what he was will to report to this RUclips channel. However, the real story is that his wife was daft enough to sabotage him like this.
They should be liable to pay compensation due to loss of livelihood.
A scenario like this is a massive fear of mine. Shooting is the only hobbie I have been able to hold onto after being badly injured/disabled in a workplace injury several years ago, helping to keep me active when i can and providing a great benefit to my mental state. Yet I am in constant fear that im just one new pain medication away from having them taken off me. If anything an approach like this from the police will have the opposite effect to what you would think they would want, with people not reaching out when they need to out of a fear of it triggering a knee jerk reaction.
Incompetence in the field of mental health is astounding. Often we read in the news of psychiatric cases in the community who should have been incarcerated-but aren't-often committing serious crimes-even murder, and yet because of a dubious one-off spurious report- which ends up damning the victim with serious repercussions and prove difficult to resolve- with catastrophic financial consequences in this case-where is the social justice here?
MARRIAGE IS GRAND...DIVORCE IS FIFTY GRAND..
Dear sir, where would one find such a deal? Because ever man I know has lost much more.
The fact that she called back trying to retract what had been said?
Surely this shows you who is the person in the situation with the mental health issues? 🤨
Me thinks the police want to look into who's wasting their time!
He would probably have his guns back if he had divorced her, most on here see her as the problem.
@@alan-jt7ts yeah maybe 🤷🏻♀️ maybe not I don't know we will need a follow up in a years time haha
So he needs a psychiatric evaluation to determine if he is safe to access to his legally held firearms but is still allowed free and easy access to kitchen knives, chisels, screwdrivers and the use his vehicle at the same time? It’s easy to see what’s really going on here and it has nothing to with his family’s safety! Perhaps working harder to get illegally held firearms and other weapons out of criminal circulation would be a more productive use of police time. In the too hard basket for them perhaps.
Sir why are you still with her?
Because she is the mother to his soon to be 2 children, she may well have realized what a stupid decision she had made calling the police for no good reason and jeopardizing her whole future for her and her children.
Maybe she was genuinely concerned for him? He'd lost it enough to have to cool down, maybe this was unusual for him to do? Personally I feel he's mostly at fault for the situation, the police are trying to protect the public, imagine what we'd all say if he was given them back and he'd gone postal. Lastly, by his own admission, he refused to go to the counselling session, not the move of someone thinking rationally. I'm not being judgemental, just saying it how I see it.
One thing I picked up from watching this, the laws around being able to retrieve your firearms in this situation obviously need review. It surely can't be legal for the system to require a psychiatric review that cannot be obtained in the real world due to being then culpable for all future actions by the patient. The path to being repatriated should be smoother and a ton more realistic with the state having to at least refund the value of all the items seized, after all, no crime was actually committed.
@Jarvislorry. You're supposed to lick the boot, not deepthroat it
Why should he destroy his family because of a minor setback? It's not his kids' fault. Married men have to be resilient, and not just run away when there's any problems.
Also, we've only got his side of the story, maybe his missus had good reason for thinking the bloke whose hobby is killing deer (bc he "loves" them) was suicidal.
Having said that, I would be upset if my wife called the cops on me, but that's also because things shouldn't get that bad
I (then a Military Firearms Instructor) was once in the position where I could conduct live firing of automatic weapons as a Range Conducting Officer (ie the bloke in charge on Military Ranges sending BCR's into theatre) yet couldn't shoot pigeons or rabbits in my own back yard afterwards cos I had a similar finger pointed at me.
(BCR=Battle Casualty Replacements . The Military are exempt from such nonsence & after much huffing and puffing told me to get on with it!)
Can you forward me some details why? I am familiar with 7.62 and 5.56 and have shot many rifles in the military.
And you stayed with her 😂🎉😢😢😮😢🎉🎉😂😂🎉😢😢😮😮😢🎉🎉😂😂🎉😢😢
Yeah she showed her true colours and seems fine with it 😂
What a mug
🤡
He’s already lost his livelihood and his hobby perhaps he didn’t want to loose his house, his pension, most of his wage packet for the feast of his life and more unfounded accusations meaning he’d never see his son again.
I really feel for Lewis, the process is totally broken. It was a de facto seizure, but lawfully they were voluntary surrendered whilst he underwent a suitability review (even though it didn't feel like it!). If it was seized, then it would need to have been done with a warrant under Section 46, where they had to demonstrate to a magistrate that there is a need to seize the firearms in question because not doing so represents a danger to public safety or the peace. But yes, I can totally see that these were seized using ultra vires powers.
He's still a licensed holder, just not currently holding the firearms or license/certificate. Ironically, *if* they revoked the certificate he would have grounds to appeal the revocation at the crown court... but with this made-up-process they are using, there is no method to appeal. The advice I would give is send a letter to them *requiring* them to return them within 30 days, or revoke your certificate & license which then gives you the right to appeal, as defined in Section 44 / Schedule 5 of the Firearms Act 1968. (They don't have grounds to revoke, or they would have already!)
The law is clear on this, that if they feel they need to revoke the license/certificate they can, but this current holding position is outrageous, where it takes away your lawful right to appeal.
Having reviewed Firearms Act 1968 and Home Office guidance on Statutory Guidance for Chief Officers of
Police, there is nothing in requiring you to have a psychological review, you have the report from the GP which is sufficient to have them returned.
If however, Lewis did declare a relevant medical condition on his application form, then the police may ask you to obtain (and pay) for a "medical report" to assist in their consideration of medical suitability (this can be from your GP), this can just state that you have no mental impairment or similar. Then the important bit because it now moves the responsibility to the police to arrange, "If a further medical report is subsequently required by the police to assist with consideration of the application, the police will pay for this." - 2.37 Home Office guidance on Statutory Guidance for Chief Officers of Police
Do a Subject Access Request (DSAR) with the constabulary regarding anything related to the suitability review and also do a Freedom of Information Request (FOA) requiring them to provide a break down of all firearms seized in the month that yours was, explicitly defining the protected characteristics (where held) under the Equality Act 2010 of each person which had theirs seized.
Whatever you do, don't just wait and hope they eventually do the right thing, you need to keep up the pressure with them.
Also, whilst I agree it was responsible to require a qualified firearms officer to take custody of them, lawfully any crown servant does not require a license or qualifications to transport them (Section 54). In fact, the police could authorise a regular taxi driver to transport them, and this sometimes happens when they are being transported on their behalf.
You can understand ultra vires acts? Why? They're unlawful.
the only time fireams can be siezed without a warrant if a person has been arrested for an indictable offence and officer believes its evedience of an offence
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba I'm indifferent about the counselling avenue. There is nothing in law or policy which requires this and is clear made-up-on-the-spot policy which is a clear overeach. There are legally defined powers for revocation, with defined appeals process... But the police feel they can invent their own framework on the fly, which needs to be robustly rejected IMO.
I also don't think it is helpful to assume there is more to the story, because it plays into "no smoke without fire". We know there was no arrest or it seems investigation, so we should assume it is bullshit.
@@DaveW-h2r we need start using the bill of rights 1688 (which is still in force and cannot be impliedly repealed - LJ Laws 2002 high court ) using the ban of confiscation of property without conviction
Without being funny what sort of argument means your misses phones the police?
Why was your wife so concerned that she had to phone the police.?? What did you say to her. ?
I dont know the law in the UK, but where I live now, unless you are in the act of committing a crime, they cannot enter your house without permission or a court order. I suppose the call from this mans wife gave them reason to attend, then she allowed them access......?
I am legally required to hand over firearms if requested to do so, but they cannot enter without a court order to take them. So I suppose I would have to bring them to the door.
I used to live in the UK, from what I am seeing online, I am glad I no longer do. Its a crying shame to see once Great Britain become..... just Britain.
just Britain to.....broken Britain on many many levels
Here in France we have much more sensible firearms regulation thankfully.
"This is a welfare check sir are you suicidal?"
"Nope"
"Well we're going to destroy your life then."
Moral, If you own firearms:
Don't ever escalate any kind of argument with your wife, dont even raise your voice to her, even if she deserves it. And never ever admit to any kind of mental health issue.
I was the victim of the same thing. An exgirl friend made up the same lies. Got mystuff back eventually but it was very exhausting. Best of luck pal, am sure everything will be ok
What made his wife phone the Police? and why did he turn down the assessment?........
Why should you be made to undertake an unlawful request to have a psychiatric assessment carried out, against your will that is only based on one individual's opinion, that may well affect you for the rest of your life, all psychology is subjective with no absolute or demonstrable outcome. Have you considered if the wife was acting rationally and not the one to be in need of a mental health assessment?
Not firearms related but my wife accused me of strangling her… completely made up but long story short I’m due to face a crown court trial in September 2025. Reality is she was the abusive one but the police seem to believe all women when it comes to reporting domestic incidents. It’s shocking and could as this guy proves could happen to anyone
Unfortunately I feel like this might be the case for Lewis here too!
Seems too similar, so sorry you went through that 🙏🏻
Unfortunately, your only chance of beating this charge is to become a transexual or identify as a flower, who can then claim the protection of the persecuted minority club, or else face the wrath of the British Judiciary and take your chances as an alleged wife-beater, whose preference is strangulation of his victim's.
Terrible😢.
Keep reporting on these stories please hopefully this poor guy gets his guns back.
Good luck mate 👍
I sincerely hope someone in the medical community will be prepared to stick their head above the parapet and help this man. I for one am glad I gave up shooting before the handgun ban came in, in 1997. I let my FAC lapse in 1996 after the Dunblane massacre as saint Tony bloody blair made it clear he was going to take our guns away.
Don't have a wife or girlfriend if you own legal arm's, live alone... You think he would know what day it is
Zero nuance. Any Police encounter places one at risk of harm. Grotesque.
Married 0ne once bloody nightmare....in court 4 times over house also the biggest lying thief on the planet 🙄 😤
Iam sure you can have your guns stored at a local gun shop , there's usually a small fee involved,
Don't let the police store your guns !!
Try telling that to the goon squad that breaks into your house and destroys your gun safe to seize your legally held guns.
A similar incident occurred to me when a so-called friend accused me of threatening them with my firearms. The police firearms unit came, I was arrested, guns were seized, and I was questioned before being released. I then had to meet with the local firearms officer. everything was good and my guns were returned to me. it was simply protocol in place to protect everyone This is how it should be
Armed police arrived at my house, took my guns. All for a Facebook post that they couldn't disclose.
This is beyond a joke now, why can’t the kent police concentrate on stopping all the new peoples turning up on beaches& why is he still with that wife,she’s the instigator in all this
For total transparency Let’s hear the wife’s side of the story as well please 🙏
I agree it seems quite extreme to call the police when you have an argument
when i was keepering my underkeeper was playing around and got found out by his wife. luckily he told me what was happening. i said right first thing we do is get your guns into storage before she tells them a crock of shit. he said no she wouldnt do that to me . anyhow after a while of persuading the guns were in storage with a mate who is an rfd. . 2 weeks later the shit hits the fan he is arrested by armed police and taken into custody. all he had at home was an air rifle . still took 12 months to get the guns back even though she was clearly lying .
The Government, Home Office (!!😕) or Police must surely provide links to mental health professionals that will/ MUST make an assessment. As with GPs being allowed to 'opt out' of the process for applications and renewals, (and charge whatever they like!!) it's crazy. Their personal beliefs and thoughts should never come into the equation and they should not be allowed to hide from their responsibilities as healthcare providers. It is a job and part of their responsibility to patients must be to follow the rules and complete the form or carry out any assessments required. The same therefore must be absolutely set in stone for psychiatrists and mental health professionals. If some form of workable but non corruptable indemnity is required, so be it. But somewhere, a system that provides care and support for those who need it, MUST be in place and compulsory if the Police are allowed to insist on a specific pathway. It's utterly bonkers to have a situation in place, whereby it's a complete impossibility to carry out their instructions. It's like saying you can have the guns back if you can turn up on Monday with a unicorn and a mermaid!
These awful events with the police are going to continue to escalate and increase unless the government (whoever that turns out to be! God help us all) steps in to redress the balance here, and create a system of evaluation that functions efficiently, swiftly and fairly for all. The huge tragedy is, they are now creating serious mental health issues where none existed prior to the stress of going through all that with the police in the first place!! No one ever wants any event of domestic strife to escalate into any form of violence. That clearly is a top priority for society as a whole and we, as firearms users, must understand and abide by that as the first priority. However, much of this extra stress, confusion and chaos could and should have been avoided if the police in the Plymouth tragedy (and no doubt other cases) had done their job and acted according to all the legal safeguarding that should have been so obvious in the first place. As we all now know, that terrible shooting would never have taken place if they had not handed back the very firearms used, to a man they knew full well to have a previous history of mental health and domestic violence and confiscation of firearms. And what prosecutions for 'aiding and abetting the unlawful deaths' of those victims in that shooting have taken place? As far as I am aware, none. All we seem to have now, is a situation whereby the police are never wrong and the seizure of firearms can lead to an impossible situation for those who have their firearms taken away. As with the Post Office case, there needs to be a scale of fair compensation in place following the return of those firearms, so that all costs are recovered and loss of earnings compensated for, following a positive report. Anything less is surely a form of discrimination and legally quite dodgy.
I wish this gentleman all the luck in the world in sorting it out.
This is exactly what happened to me, fortunately the court could see what was going on, I had them returned to me and compassion for a air rifle and all the cartridges they destroyed, I had a doctor's medical report, when I had to renew it asked about motoring offences which I had none so all good, you are entitled to hold a certificate they need to find a excuse not to issue one, hence speeding as one chap has said. You have a responsibility having a certificate and that responsibility doesn't stop just at having the privilege to legally owning guns every aspect of your life, What worries me is the amount of guns that are out there illegally. Or the amount of knifes.
Lewis, is being asked to prove a negative.
It would appear that the police were correct in their actions thank your wife for informing the police that you could suicidal.
Over doctors the other day a guy been waiting over 6 months for doctor to update for licence,they wouldn't see him
I've been thinking about trying to obtain a shotgun licence in the future, but I'm apprehensive about this exact thing happening to me, or just outright being denied. I've had severe depression and suicidal thoughts for the past 7 years. There's not a chance in hell I'd ever shoot myself or someone else, even at my worst I've never hurt anyone, but I don't know if just the diagnosis alone will hinder me. The last thing I need is to get my licence, install safes, buy a shotgun, then a few months later, I contact my doctor worried that my medication isn't working, and boom! Everything is seized and my licence is removed.
Don't bother, you won't get one with a record like that and honestly nor should you. Not only could you hurt yourself or others, but if / when that happens it's the rest of us innocent gun owners that get slapped with more restrictions and crap. This is only happening to this guy because of that pratt in Plymouth!
I know it sounds harsh but go fishing instead.
@@samfurlong2062 👏🏼
When the people police themselves fascism is complete.
Cautionary tale, thanks for sharing.
Sadly my guns have also been removed from my home, applied for renewal few months before hand. But with the “delays” license expired so armed police turned up and removed and confiscated them. Nearly 3 months on and still no license and police still have my firearms. I had not been arrested or in any trouble, just the license has expired due to the police taking to long to send out the new certificate.
A constable is licenced to seize and have in their possession any firearm. They might well not be trained to unload and make safe, but they don't need any special permission to take possession of them. They'll normally avoid it like the plagues if at all possible, but they're allowed to do so.
No such thing as a good police person any more
What’s that (similar) story about the guy preempting his wife’s spite, storing his guns at the local shop and just put the receipt in his cabinet. When the police rocked up to a (false) claim of misuse, they opened the cabinet to find the receipt dated days before the ‘incident’…!
Blame your " wife" not the police
I hear more and more of this type of grab your guns . Surely spouses need to be held account when making alligations that are nothing but spiteful or false on some accasions
9:20 - Lewis's wife behind the camera holding a gun lmfao
You don’t need legal cover, u need to sue her.
Routine response officers can recover firearms, as long as they’re red-tagged, but TFU officers are the ones who can clear them. The Chief Constable authorities the luxury of owning firearms and the associated certificates. They can withdraw the privilege if the suitability of the certificate holder is questioned. Usually, policy suggests that this would be queried after domestic or mental health incidents.
This is not the Police's fault, they're just trying to not get fired. If you or the people you choose to associate with involve the state in running your personal life then you're going to suffer.
So the police were called to a domestic abuse call, and with reports of a male who was suicidal. Who then refused to give the firearms over to police officers - who can seize firearms whether they are firearm cops or not. Then they seized the firearms? What else could they do - just leave them there. Perfectly reasonable
Mental Health assessments can be sought after presenting at A&E, albeit this is a lengthy process.
I've heard of this before, spiteful wives calling the police. I hope the Scopes were removed.. and you have divorced the wife..
How to remove everything a man finds settling....a worrying trend
A man is not complete until he’s married.
It’s when he’s married he’s finished.
Sounds like you should join the priesthood
@@maddyg3208 sounds like you don’t like a joke
Sorry but what incidents over the past few years, are related to pest controllers murderering with their licensed firearms? His wife span a fantastical tale to the police, who were more than willing to eat it up!
same happened to me and after 10 years and 5 applications to get my license back i have got nowhere and i realise i will never get them back.
I worked for my local nhs trust in wton where i collegue made accusations to management stating i had taken guns into work, all was a fabrication by this individual who was previously suspended and held a grudge. Well the police searched my locker at work without my permission or knowledge then several armed police with dogs invaded my home, they didnt bream the door in as they thought there was nothing to it but the damage was done, management at the trust then tried to accuse me of having a mental health condition and suspended me on no evidence what so ever, i had a meeting with the police a few days after in which they agreed the trust acted wrongly towards me. I have shot ten meter olympic rifle and air rifles most of my life without incident. The trust put me through a year of legal stretched out wrangling i even tooknthem to an employment tribunal. I havnt worked for the trust since then or want to set foot in the place where my rights were abused by these people. I have moved on since then but have heard more stories like mine at this trust.
Hi Andy - that's an awful story. If you'd like to hold the trust to account, please can you email me? charlie@fieldsportschannel.tv
A woman can be more dangerous than a gun