A Better Way To Gasket Match

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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
  • This is the most common way I gasket match heads. Yes I know it should be port matched.

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  • @DuneWest
    @DuneWest 2 года назад +10

    By the way Eric, David Vizard made mention of your name and very nice comment about your work/research on one of his RUclips videos; "Super detailed AFR BB Chevy 'Enforcer' head review" on November 29, 2021 at about 1:98 on the video. I'd say that's quite an honorable/respectful mention about you coming from someone like David Vizard.

  • @thomasaltruda
    @thomasaltruda 2 года назад +4

    I used to gasket match by putting the gasket on the heads with two tiny spots of silicone. Then I put the manifold on with four tiny drops of silicone. Tighten it all up, let it dry and the gasket will come off stuck to the manifold. You can then scribe the lines, and remove the gasket. If you are careful with the placement of the silicone, you can still reuse the gasket too.

  • @DuneWest
    @DuneWest 2 года назад +6

    Hmmm.....those heads kinda look a little familiar to me ;) ---anyway, very nice and very detailed work, and cool way of accurately port matching the runner flanges, Eric. I really like your attention to detail.

  • @borismcfinnigan3430
    @borismcfinnigan3430 Год назад

    Thank you. You have given me the confidence to tackle my inlet manifold and gasket. I put a camera down the middle runners and noticed that the gasket overlaps the ports by 1/4 inch on 3 sides

  • @psychoholicslag4801
    @psychoholicslag4801 18 дней назад

    If you drill vertically perpendicular to the crank centerline you can us 1/8" piano wire, which is hardened like a drill bit and then you only need one bit and you can put the pins in the heads, put the gaskets on and set the manifold down in perfect alignment everytime. The pins won't bind the mafiold but will keep the manifold even as it's torqued down to compress the gaskets.

  • @xozindustries7451
    @xozindustries7451 2 года назад +8

    Have you ever done before and after dyno testing on a port matching job? I’m just wondering how much power it’s worth, considering how little work it is any power is worth it

    • @slowbra94
      @slowbra94 10 месяцев назад

      Its definitely not little work porting 😂 maybe just gasket matching but i spent over an hour opening up 1 intake runner on just the lower intake

  • @63turbo
    @63turbo 2 года назад +3

    I talked to an engine builder in the 1980's about gasket and port matching... he said they had actually bothered to test that and found the average airflow gain was 3% per mismatch, and Im sure that had alot to do with production tolerances then, without saying whether it was the gasket or the manifold to head miss match or a combination. It looks like the stuff you are working with are held to a tigher tolerance!!

  • @rexwarren4497
    @rexwarren4497 2 года назад +1

    Always learn more from you thank you nicely done

  • @davidcooper2856
    @davidcooper2856 2 года назад +3

    Block decked, heads milled: Layout dye along top of ports. Straight edge along top of ports. Scribe line to each end of head. Do same to manifold. Align scribed lines at each end of head to check for misalignment.

  • @tomrose6292
    @tomrose6292 Год назад

    Eric I did the same thing to my head( iron wp) it wasn't but 5 tho .I ran it with 13.7 to 1 pistons and so far so good I've been watching the compression on that hole.
    I guess the gasket took care of it..
    Ole ridge runner race truck if ya wanna hear it run 95 s10

  • @bdugle1
    @bdugle1 2 года назад +1

    Just wondering, could you use some kind of inspection camera to help with port matching? I don’t even know what they cost… Those boat engines look like you could really burn some fuel! I’ve seen a few running up and down Lake Havasu, impressive rooster tails!

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 2 года назад

      There is some really cheap scopes available. Some under $100. If you were scouting stuff in a junkyard it can help find issues making sure all the pistons are home. If you were trying to port match a dual plane it would be a neat idea.

  • @brianbrigg57
    @brianbrigg57 Год назад

    Looks like a good technique to use. Thanks.

  • @albertgaspar627
    @albertgaspar627 2 года назад +4

    Great video, but i recommend not making it a habit to leave things in the lifter valley--that's how debris happens :) of course, this block is toast, but i know plenty of shade tree mechanics don't have a tray nearby so they just leave stuff where they can out of laziness training. just sayin that's all. Meanwhile, with this particular full gasket, i'm thinking those bolt holes do a great job of lining things up without drilling a potential crack starter near a bolt area that's going to get torqued down, and being a full gasket one can outline where the top of the manifold sits, allowing it to be lined up on installation--or a location to take measurements from. sometimes you might just be able to scribe the head with an outline of the intake flange, or paint if you fear carving.

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад +1

      This is just a mock up block hence the hole in the side. I’m not worried about things in lifter valley. I leave them there so I can have them handy when I need them.

  • @1961Bullet
    @1961Bullet Год назад

    I don’t trust many, but I trust you. Thanks for being honest. I watched to th end.

  • @kennethhacker1341
    @kennethhacker1341 2 года назад

    Wow !! Great job and thanks for the education..I did alot of marine engines and would alway gasket match..love this.

  • @jalbarado1
    @jalbarado1 2 года назад +1

    Why does the version 2 have less flow.... 🤣🤣🤣... you knew that was coming...and don't ask me how I know....🤣🤣🤣....but, keep up the content, we enjoy it.😊

  • @patcavanagh2874
    @patcavanagh2874 2 года назад

    Good stuff Eric…I always wondered how to do this precisely.

  • @richdouche8253
    @richdouche8253 Год назад

    Seen one vid where guy said the critical part of the port to match was the floor, and he used intake gasket thickness to achieve this alignment. Said unless ports are far off from each other there isn't any gain by grinding....
    Not having a Dyno and multiple test pieces I'll never know the truth to his statements.

  • @hectorortega9131
    @hectorortega9131 Год назад

    That 13th,000 scratch on the deck of the head can you run it like that or do you need to reface it?

  • @GroovesAndLands
    @GroovesAndLands 2 года назад +1

    My method:
    Duct tape a 44oz foam fountain drink container onto the end of your shop-vac hose, and seal the drink cup into the cylinder of the block so the shopvac can suck on the cylinder. Have exhaust valve installed, but not intake valve. Turn on shopvac and spray a bit of paint primer down the intake runner for the cylinder you are "marking". Resposition shopvac and repeat for all cylinders. This will mark where your head ports are misaligned with the intake. Grind as needed.

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад +1

      Not a bad idea.

    • @randywl8925
      @randywl8925 2 года назад

      Just Don't spray very much paint because shop vacs have a tendency to use electricity. 😁
      💥 Kaboom! 💥

  • @williampommeranz6821
    @williampommeranz6821 2 года назад

    An idea for the perfectionists amoung us. You can use a cheap Harbor Freight inspection camera ($85) to get a look at the final assembly (for dual plane manifolds).
    No, I wouldn't buy one for port matching, but you will not be sorry having one in the shop. Use you imagination the number of uses.
    Not being critical...... just an idea.

  • @brentonk461
    @brentonk461 2 года назад +5

    While I'm not against drilling for dowels, as the Holden 253/308's I own come like it standard, from the factory. but on other Engines, The way I do the Port Matching, ethier the left or right head or gasket fits, lines up perfect. No Drilling required.

    • @atflokee
      @atflokee 2 года назад +1

      ?

    • @robertprice2108
      @robertprice2108 2 года назад +2

      @@atflokee yeah i didn't get what he said either

  • @randywelch55
    @randywelch55 2 года назад +1

    Very informative videos. Don't pay any attention to those keyboard trolls

  • @1967davethewave
    @1967davethewave 2 года назад

    That's a great technique. An old timer racer taught me 30+ years ago to put a couple spots of grease on the heads, lay the gaskets down and then put some RTV on the intake, set it on, torque it down and let it set overnight. Pull it off the next day and of course the gaskets stick to the intake. Gasket match from there. Of course this was on Pontiac engines so the intake is pulled into the thermostat crossover so there is no back and forth adjustment available. That method worked pretty well but occasionally the grease would allow the gaskets to slip a little. I think I'll start using your method as it seems to be very repeatable when you have to do a tear down for whatever reason. Thanks!

  • @robtdougherty
    @robtdougherty 2 года назад +1

    I was going to say 0.012"! great vid. My first engine i tried to mark the head and intake with a sharpie for front to back alignment. Lets just say, i bet your way is more accurate haha

  • @UltimateDriftMachine
    @UltimateDriftMachine 2 года назад +1

    How much power does gasket matching make if you do both intake and exhaust on an application like this. Seems typical amount. I do this to engines when ever I have to swap a head. I always got people telling me I am wasting my time and I will barely feel a difference if at all.
    So, am I wasting my time.

  • @charliesullivan3204
    @charliesullivan3204 2 года назад

    Do you predrill the holes in the intake, first and then put on the head? I think it may help from drilling into the head. I do like your idea. Thank you!

  • @dennislabby801
    @dennislabby801 2 года назад

    Eric you ever get a set of aftermarket aluminum heads that there is step valve guides leaving a gap between them and the aluminum in the bowls. Should I change them out or grind the aluminum to match or just leave alone

  • @DevastationMtrsports
    @DevastationMtrsports 2 года назад

    I'm just curious if you could talk about the intake manifold more and why you like it so much

  • @tomstrum6259
    @tomstrum6259 2 года назад

    Hmm...As long as the Gasket & Head port Opening perimeter is Larger than the Manifold port opening, what possible dyno power test improvement can precision port matching improve other than Reducing desirable port anti-reversion effects ??

  • @roamy37748
    @roamy37748 Месяц назад

    Do gasket manufactures have different port sizes stamped into the gasket.

  • @prettyvacant2729
    @prettyvacant2729 Год назад

    Shoulda watched this before I assembled the engine :( Great advice and shows simple is normally best.

  • @accooper793
    @accooper793 Год назад

    I have always put the gasket and intake on take small drill bit drill thrugh both take back off you can see how much your off then go from there. Might be wrong way to it

  • @boharris8179
    @boharris8179 2 года назад

    Aka Team G intake. Correct me if I'm wrong. At least the sbc version is nearly identical to the old team G. Maybe the plenum is higher idk I've not seen that many but for the most part it's a name change.

  • @VictorSanchez-kp9nt
    @VictorSanchez-kp9nt 2 года назад

    Great video awesome tips can this be done with the heads off the engine? Might be a balancing act. Oh wait the head gaskets have an affect on things?

  • @BigThomTattoos
    @BigThomTattoos 2 года назад

    What would be your process if you were going to port the heads too? I am about to port the stock heads and Edelbrock Air Gap for my Dodge 360 Magnum.

  • @jaredstafford5565
    @jaredstafford5565 2 года назад

    Hey there Eric love the videos very informative 👍. I have a question if you weren't to port match these heads and intake what type if horsepower and torque would you be loosing? Just a rough estimate.

  • @daleanderson7629
    @daleanderson7629 2 года назад

    have you ever tried lightly misting dichrome down the port? love the video's mate.

  • @mekanicn7778
    @mekanicn7778 2 года назад

    cool idea. i will try this and might try 1/8th welding rod after i drill the 1/8th inch holes.

  • @shanerorko8076
    @shanerorko8076 2 года назад

    You should buy some 1/8 gauge stock and cut up some pins.
    The chamber softening helps most on the big side anyway.

  • @MattPureEvil
    @MattPureEvil 2 года назад

    Hey mate, you have some great content. With this, will there be much of a power gain?

  • @hotrod7938
    @hotrod7938 2 года назад

    Drill bit technique brilliant 👍

  • @ArthurSperotto
    @ArthurSperotto Год назад

    How the hell does someone window a block like that IDLING?? Hydrolock?
    Man, fantastic information!! Thank you very much for the ideas!

  • @stoneyswolf
    @stoneyswolf 10 месяцев назад

    You could of just traced around the intake marking the gasket. Also the bolt holes lined up perfectly with the gasket.

  • @bluegizmo1983
    @bluegizmo1983 2 года назад

    Yeah but do you even gain anything by port matching when such a small amount of material even needs to be remove? I can see doing that if there is a 3mm or 4mm overlap, but when it's already like 2mm or less like that, is it even worth it?

  • @theoriginalmungaman
    @theoriginalmungaman 2 года назад

    Ridiculous! Hows eye balling the ports through the intake work with a dual plane? I would trace the intake on the gasket with a sharpie before drilling holes in my intake!

  • @patrickwendling6759
    @patrickwendling6759 2 года назад

    Ignore those negative people, some people are just negative no mater what you do or say, 1 out of 20 you just can't help, screw em

  • @LOLedWh0r3
    @LOLedWh0r3 2 года назад

    I am very new to this porting and polishing scene, but I use duct tape to cover and give a little protection to my cast iron head surface areas. Its not perfect but it helps me a lot but I'm using a dremel so its a lot slower. Hope this helps.

  • @forreststewart8309
    @forreststewart8309 2 года назад

    Hey Eric, on a dual plane manifold, like this 2701, how do you know if the ports are lined up the best they be?

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад

      I usually just center the bolt holes on dual planes. Then I tighten it down and drill the holes.

    • @joep3674
      @joep3674 Год назад

      An inspection camera that plugs into your cell phone can be had for less than 20 bucks on Amazon, would be handy for this.

  • @MicheluceRizzuto
    @MicheluceRizzuto 2 года назад +1

    Sometimes the simplest solution to solve a problem is in your face and a smart person might not even realize it. I've thought of ideas to solve my port and gasket matching issues for quite some time now on my small block stroker. I've never thought of this easy and simple way of taking care of matching and I consider myself a fairly logical and smart person. I've even done this practice before for re-mounting my body panels after lining them up and removing them for painting. They always go back to line up perfectly upon re-installing them. Never thought of using this to match ports.

  • @michaelgrubbs1618
    @michaelgrubbs1618 2 года назад

    just curious. Why wouldn't you Center the bolt holes in the gasket with the bolt holes in the head?

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад

      Because when you center off of the bolt holes it rarely places the intake port in the right relation to the port on the head.

  • @rudyjhughes
    @rudyjhughes 2 года назад

    Couldn’t you have tig welded that small area and did a minimum cut?

  • @Nobody-ld7mk
    @Nobody-ld7mk 2 года назад +2

    Why not just tape the gaskets to the head like you do... then with the tape properly located where it can be pulled loose from the head later place several BB size droplets of silicone strategically on the frog tape to manifold points and let dry for an hour or two. The Gaskets will stick to the manifold perfectally in place and no harm done to the gasket being the tape is where the silicone has made contact. No holes necessary. Cool how you did it but a little more work than necessary in my opnion and all the time drilling could be spent elsewhare while the silicone dries.

    • @ictcarguy3162
      @ictcarguy3162 2 года назад

      @Nobody How could you know the position of the intake relative to the cylinder head without a locator that controls for X and Y position? The suggested alternate method only controls the gasket alignment thus less control of port alignment and is not repeatable if the gaskets required replacement. If the motor was ever torn down and assembled it could introduce variance as each part has its own manufacturing and installation/assembly tolerance. The tolerances could stack causing error of port alignment which the 'dowel' method can identify, measure, and control as well as being repeatable.

    • @Nobody-ld7mk
      @Nobody-ld7mk 2 года назад +1

      @@ictcarguy3162 First locate the intake gasket to the head as shown in the video, sit the intake on with silicone properly placed then lift the intake off with gaskets stuck to the intake after the silicone has dried. (then scribe) No need to make to much of it.

  • @TheDeadMan3848
    @TheDeadMan3848 2 года назад +2

    Don’t gasket match the manifold! You lose velocity. Only port match the head where you have an obstruction of flow from the manifold.
    Rookie mistake, which it seems some of the so called “Professionals” are doing as well... 🙄

  • @ScottNelson01
    @ScottNelson01 2 года назад +2

    Why not just tig the head and machine the repair rather than machine it to remove the gouge?

  • @davidwickboldt712
    @davidwickboldt712 2 года назад

    Just curious as to why you don't use a steel template with tapered drift pins, and match head, gaskets, and manifold to.

  • @carlw.pfaender9208
    @carlw.pfaender9208 2 года назад

    Great tips

  • @autotek7930
    @autotek7930 Год назад

    Gasket matching my jeep 4.7l stroker will help? I planned on doing the throttle body and intake.

  • @jarmominkkinen9409
    @jarmominkkinen9409 2 года назад

    Hello master. How many house power can I get I have the ports flows 312 cfm.Thes Heads com from super stocker.Wedge Alu Heads Mopar 440. 0600 lift.Have Nice Wedge Tunnel Ram intake.Sixpacks modifaid have even Billet metring block special order från USA.Engine runns grate.Weery god respons on The trotel like Efi..I hope i have araund 620 630 hp...I have even Fogger Nos system.Gonne handel with wery smal nr 018 022. Mayby hit 700hp.

  • @bigredracer7848
    @bigredracer7848 2 года назад

    15👍's up EW thanks for sharing

  • @califuturist
    @califuturist 8 месяцев назад

    My take on this video is that the intake manifold/gasket match is done at the factory and the head/gasket match is not. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • @LynnTwinCustoms513
    @LynnTwinCustoms513 2 года назад +1

    James Bond says .007 to clean up the head mistake

  • @kevinhlavati6285
    @kevinhlavati6285 17 дней назад

    As much as these parts cost they should come part matched already..

  • @marcstlaurent3719
    @marcstlaurent3719 2 года назад

    Great info , thanks eric

  • @YerkitRacingChannel
    @YerkitRacingChannel 2 года назад

    Good info as always!

  • @westendcages
    @westendcages 2 года назад

    Good tips.

  • @timrayburn2461
    @timrayburn2461 2 года назад

    Great tips,thanks

  • @lancegibbs7506
    @lancegibbs7506 2 года назад

    Can I ask for a link to order the blue die?

  • @combat1878
    @combat1878 Год назад

    I layout mine the exact same way 👍

  • @dakotatelles3483
    @dakotatelles3483 Год назад

    Had anyone use that intake b4 building my first bbc and idk if I should get that intake or a Edelbrock Victor rj intake

  • @marcjordan29
    @marcjordan29 2 года назад

    Awesome tips. But... Drivers side on a boat....? Or car..... ? 😜. Center console..? That you know what the note means to you is whats important. Just Joking around a lil bit.

  • @bennyboyy7
    @bennyboyy7 Год назад

    Heh you said you were gonna write on his head.

  • @rogerowens5669
    @rogerowens5669 2 года назад

    So basically you're just pinning the gasket and intake in place

  • @rickkelsch2040
    @rickkelsch2040 2 года назад +1

    .010" deep

  • @ronbradshaw7404
    @ronbradshaw7404 2 года назад

    Nice but, have you ever heard about dowel pins?................

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад

      Can you explain to me how you install the intake with the dowels installed in the heads or intake?

    • @ronbradshaw7404
      @ronbradshaw7404 2 года назад

      @@WeingartnerRacing The Japanese small engines manf., like to have dowel pins on head/ intake studs or bolts. That's the best of the best. Your idea of drilling small holes is similar, only needs small hardened pins. I did that a lot, only with straight drilled, holes, and leave the pins there in final assembly.

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад

      @@ronbradshaw7404 with the v formation of the heads and intake you would have to pull dowels each time the intake went on or off. It seems like that would be a pain.

    • @ronbradshaw7404
      @ronbradshaw7404 2 года назад +1

      @@WeingartnerRacing Ohhh! certainly right you are!!!. I should shut-up :) i'm into Japanese motorcycle/ snowmobile engines, no V engines...

  • @aaronwlkr
    @aaronwlkr 2 года назад

    Dam I was going to guess .020

  • @ShaunHensley
    @ShaunHensley 2 года назад

    I am guessing .012
    Edit wow that was close if I do say so myself

  • @roadiesgarage3816
    @roadiesgarage3816 2 года назад

    .015" deep

  • @zAvAvAz
    @zAvAvAz 2 года назад

    28 thou to get the gouge out

  • @CLAYTONTHEBRAIN
    @CLAYTONTHEBRAIN 2 года назад

    .010 - .015 deep

  • @Anarchy-Is-Liberty
    @Anarchy-Is-Liberty 2 года назад

    "it's only going to be an 800hp engine" - ROFLMFAO!!!! Christ!! Only 800hp? Is that all? Might as well toss it in the trash FFS! ha ha ha!!!!
    If y'all got any 800hp engines laying around that you don't want, I'll come take 'em off your hands, no problem!! ha ha ha ;)

  • @jackbrookshire431
    @jackbrookshire431 2 года назад +1

    Useless. Just use the bolt holes. They're already there.

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад

      Those rarely line up.

    • @jackbrookshire431
      @jackbrookshire431 2 года назад

      @@WeingartnerRacing when you have the heads and intake you're going to use. That's the holes that you will use. Using the gasket on both, you have a foolproof why to make your marks.

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад +1

      @@jackbrookshire431 that sounds great but when you put them on a block you realize the bolt holes on the intake are higher than the head or visa versa. Then your port match might be the same size and dimensions as the head but not aligned at all. That happens all the time.

    • @jackbrookshire431
      @jackbrookshire431 2 года назад

      @@WeingartnerRacing your bolt holes will dictate where the gasket goes. You can't get around that. Any discrepancies after the port work you're going to see with your scope.

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  2 года назад +4

      None of the manifolds have a 3/8 snug fit hole. They are 1/2 or larger which gives plenty of movement up down and all around. They do this to make up for deck differences and so on. So if you gasket matched the intake lining up the bolt holes on the intake to the gasket then attached it to the head unless the bolt hole is exactly centered on the head your alignment is off. The bolt hole on the head is rarely if ever centered with the hole on the intake, especially if the heads were milled.

  • @frediefarmer
    @frediefarmer 2 года назад

    👍🏽🇺🇸👍🏽

  • @sxs4l245
    @sxs4l245 2 года назад

    I know why....
    CHINA

  • @kevinclemence4661
    @kevinclemence4661 2 года назад +1

    Dear Eric. Please don't use a whiney voice when describing a viewer's comments. It's somewhat demeaning and very Freiburger. Otherwise, a great vid as is usual.

  • @josephmcclure6680
    @josephmcclure6680 Год назад

    "Commoners "...You need to work on you attitude!

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  Год назад

      What are you talking about?

    • @WeingartnerRacing
      @WeingartnerRacing  Год назад +1

      If that offended you I’m sorry. I didn’t think there was anything controversial in this video but I can see that I was wrong.