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Not sure where they do their research but, nobody in rural America wants a EV.
Few people most places in the US want EV. Most automakers are deciding hybrids are the answer.
@@carlpaladino427nobody thinks hybrids are the answer. This country runs on petroleum, it's that simple.
Exactly, the plug-in hybrid option would be great. EV only is a hard pass.
Great another $60k+ EV that will depreciate like a rock
The vehicle, literally no one asked for but we are apparently going to get, good and hard, also, the idea of a battery powered Off-Road vehicle is preposterous.
My thoughts exactly.
Its good they depreciate, people who buy a car to sell only a few years or less later dont deserve to receive a good price for it.
We are blowing through products like they are disposable
@@nativeoutdoors1780 that’s not the point. They depreciate way faster than normal ICE or hybrid vehicles and people are underwater in loans they can’t get out of because the car is worth $15k but they owe $30k on their lease. This is not happening as much with ICE and hybrids.
@@GM-kj6sb they need to put more money down then, being under in a loan is easily avoidable
"30% of customers said they want their new vehicle to be EV... so we went that route." So 70% of customers said they dont want their new vehicle to be EV, so you went ahead and made it an EV? Brilliant.
😂 I would love to know what he is smoking. 70% rejecting EV, but he is optimistic.
I guess they're not interested in making money! Great business plan!!
You lost me at the :37 mark "...all electric Scout..."
Lost me 10 seconds earlier....when I heard the work Volkswagen. No thanks!
I made it to :42..nothing to see here.
We deserve a cold beer.
An all electric Scout, VW answering the question that no one is asking.... Put a TDI and some solid axels on it and now were talking.
Exactly would be the answer but probably be ifs irs just be a vw version of the newer range rover with ev to sell to the public
That's what I've been saying also for a couple of years since first hearing about this new "Scout". Put in a modern V6 turbodiesel of some type. The goal being torque (like the old SV engines, 345, etc.) and fuel economy (NOT like the old SV engines).
@@SDwriter.and.surfer These will probably have 500hp and get 72mpg/e
@@anthonyrowland9072 250 HP (from a diesel) and twice the range (of an EV) would make a lot more sense. Scouts were never supposed to be dragsters. 0-60 bragging rights is dumb anyway What it needs is good ground clearance, good articulation and traction, and a decent cargo capacity.
@@SDwriter.and.surferAnd it's gonna have all that and twice the power.
Was interested until I heard it’s EV only. These guys can’t be blind to the current market pull-back from EVs? Huge risk here
Yep lost interest at all EV
Ev for 7 years or less, and after that, you have to change the battery, but the combustion engine for life
All they are after is investors like NIKOLA and other manufacturers who got cash and shut down
I’m also anti EV but considering its a Volkswagen product going electric might be the best choice otherwise it’ll be just as bad as the new defender
@@Omk1336 ok most gas engines don’t last without major repairs past 150,000 miles Or ten years except the few cases. EVs can do the same or more on the same battery. And in the NE they will both rust long before the engine or battery dies.
I liked the after market range extenders on the old Scout. Five gallons each!
I love how car companies can get almost everything right on a remake, but always fail in one area that can kill the whole brand. In this case it's the electric powertrain. It'll loose hard to the bronco because of that
It'll lose hard to the Mahindra Roxor actually. Much closer to a Scout than this abomination.
As someone that has owned 4 of the best Scouts made, congrats to the new Scout company on building a Bronco
Bronco sucks
@@jimjones-pz1tt It wont be electric till most likely -2027. Maybe a hybrid mid 2026 but at 55K plus price and few made.
@jimjones-pz1tt I didn't intend to get a comment from an overly angry, bipolar person. This company will change their plans with a new president. Most people don't want all electric. Also, using the Lord's name in vain is low class and scummy.
Hahaha, EV. That's funny.
@@MustangMuscleI can make electricity at my house...
Sweet! A new Scout! (watching excitedly for 35 seconds until I hear it's all electric...) Ah, well that sucks. Moving on.
Build a off road battery vehicle that you can"t recharge anywhere off road! Great business model. Have fun driving it in a shopping mall bro.
Whenever you use the word _bro_ which is probably every other sentence, please just say _baa_ instead. Because people who use it just sound like stupid sheep. Probably addicted to tiktok covered with tattoos.
No problem! Just mount a bunch of solar-cells on the roof. Then park in the sun for a couple weeks. You might go a few more miles! 🙂
Solar panels or bring a generator. Also, rivian overlanded their truck across the whole country and managed to make it to charging stations every time.
@@dallasbrown-ew8yk A generator? That's NOT saving the planet! By the way, how far off-road was the Rivian?
Do they have gas pumps off road?
There is indeed a lot of history behind International Harvester and the Scout. My family all worked at the Fort Wayne harvester plant and actually my great great grandfather helped build the heat treat ovens there during construction of the plant. Between uncle's and grandparents my family had about 140 years of service to IH. It was a very sad day when construction of the Scout ended and when they closed down the plant in the 80s. My dad built and did a full frame off restoration on my grandfather's scout in the mid 90s to commemorate my familes history at IH, it was an insanely cool truck with a bunch of custom parts that made it something truly special. It was totalled by new owners a long time ago but the memories live on. I know most of Fort Wayne would have loved to see them build the plant here. But at least it's still American made. Hopefully the new models will live up to their hype. Great video guys, keep em coming!
They are electric, they will never live up to the history.
My first thought after learning where the new Scouts would be built was why not build them in Fort Wayne. Ford is building the new Broncos in Michigan and Wranglers are still made in Toledo. A better marketing story would have been to resume the Scout production in Fort Wayne.
They want to build them non union @@kenwilliams4086
I was just thinking to myself, Sorry not a Scout if it’s not made in the Fort. EV also kills it. Sad as there was hope at the beginning of this!!!!
It is an embarassment to the scout name
Can’t wait to have another $100k EV 4x4 on the market! If they really want to burry the competition, make a bare bones 4x4 plug-in hybrid priced around $45k.
Sad that we're at the point where a $45k vehicle is considered "bare bones," even if it is electrified.
a hybrid option would defintiely be cool. especially one with a similar setup to the new toyota tundra with a twin turbo hybrid v6. with almost 400hp and 500 trq
How about a bare bone ICE for $30k.
The problem is the batteries cost so much they can't make a cheap one, they would lose money, that's why most the EVs are aimed at the luxury market so they can command the price that will give them their profits.
EV on the market? Lately, it is starting to look like on the lots. Hybrid or nothing for me. Ford just dropped the Mach E up to 8 grand.
My 81 year old dad and his, would be 93 year old Brother built the old Scout's. So I was very excited when I saw this, then you said EV. Too bad.
OK, I wish them all the success the old Scout platform deserves.
By waiting a year or so, with a product available in the 2026 release year, they will be able to learn a lot about "what works and what does not work!" The planners should call Ford and ask "How are those all electric trucks working out for ya Buddy!" The Scout team better do their homework!
I owned a 1980 scout with the Nissan turbo diesel and the 4-speed manual. I got 36 mpg with it.
Wonder how many Scout diesels were built, and how many are left?
@@sunbeam8866Not very many and I had one with 250K miles when traded in. The Nissan Diesel also had a head cracking problem between the valves; had two heads replaced under warranty. With 373 gears/wide 4 speed about 25-30 MPG with factory air. Now if they built one a modern diesel in it; I would buy it.
@@schlite60 you and me and millions of others would buy it.
Wow great!🎉
@@sunbeam8866 i want to know too how many Scouts and the diesel ones are still alive...i would like to give one a good home. 🎉❤😅
Something missing with the new Scout. A V8
Heck I'd take the 2.3 Ecoboost in the new Bronco over an electric powertrain
It cums with a flat 8. 8 batteries. ☹
The vast majority of original Scouts and Scout IIs had a four cylinder or straight 6. Some years, the AMC I6 had even more horsepower than the optional IH V8. I'd be satisfied with an inline 4 or 6, as Ford seems to be the only automaker still willing to build V8s, but absolutely nobody that would use a 4x4 for an offroader or trailrider is thinking about EVs. Anyone can throw some jerrycans on the back of their Jeep or Bronco and not get stuck out in the woods, but there's no electrical charging stations out in the middle of the wilderness, and these same econuts that are pushing us to give up ICE would scream bloody murder if Elon Musk tried to build a powergrid in the rainforest.
A straight 6
@@user-tq7hc6zw1o I'd rather have a gay-6.
I was excited to see your video about the possibility of one of my all time favorites returning, that is until 0:36..."an all electric scout" 🤮. Have we learned nothing over the last couple of years.....?
It looks pretty good styled kind of like the old one, at least should make a 4cyl gas version so people can take it into the woods like camping and stuff
6 would be better or even a 4 cylinder hybrid. But I agree, there needs to be a cheaper or at least more practical version for people that actually want to off road
Awesome news! We need something fresh to stir things up. We can never have too many $80k off-road vehicles for the everyman!
Exactly. What a joke this segment has become. No company sell anything remotely close to the spirit of the original versions of these nameplates. They are all outrageously expensive, loaded to the roof with features, electronics, and "content". And now, EV??? NO thanks.
Would have been nice if they had used a normal, reliable internal combustion engine. Something robust like the Toyota 4.0 or a small diesel engine like they always use in 4x4s overseas.
Pretty sure VW is NOT going to offer a diesel......
Oh no! Government says 'ICE bad! Diesel Very bad! You will drive EV, or walk!"
Well EV motors are much more reliable than gas engines. Do some homework.
As a current EV owner, all I can say is I can't wait for my 2024 Tacoma to come in. Going all Electric on the new scout is a mistake.
I’m going to recharge mine with currant bushes.
Bubble popped at 38 seconds. 😢
I don't see this company making it to production but time will tell.
My Grandpa worked as an engineer for International Harvester back in the day. My mom‘s first car was a 1970 scout! Super cool to see these come back my mom loved her scout, but said it sucked down gas like nothing she had ever driven before. Good thing gas back then was like $.30 a gallon 🤯
Wonder what kind of gas mileage the 4-cylinder Scout would get?
@@sunbeam8866 The 2.5 got about 20mpg and the 3.2 got about 25mpg. The Nissan Turbodiesel I6 was the most fuel efficient option; it got around 32mpg. The AMC straight sixes got about 24mpg. If you're wondering why anyone would get the 2.5 option that got less mpg and had less horsepower and torque, it was because that was the only way to get a Scout with an airconditioner. There was no room for the compressor if you opted for the 3.2 or the I6s.
I loved my 1978 Scout II! That 727 torque flight trans and a 345 V8!! Annnd lovely gas mileage of 10 mpg!! 😂😂👍😊💃
I get better mileage than that with my '78, which also has the original 345, but I've got a 4-speed manual. 12-14 mpg at cruising speed. 50-70 mph. Noticeably lower around town though I'll admit. I've had my Scout for over 30 years now.
@@SDwriter.and.surfer That’s great MPG for a 30 year old Scout! Wow!! Any rust? Or did you convert the tub over to Fiberglass?
Sadly, I had to sell mine, because, at the time, I couldn’t find anyone to replace my tub. It was pretty chewy and flaking rust on the floor boards and on the door sills.
This was years ago, before the Internet was a big thing.
I love that you have owned yours for so many years!! How many miles?
That 345 V-8 is awesome!! 👍😊 You can beat them up and they come back for more! 👍😎
@@elizabethwonders Original engine, never been rebuilt. Still passes smog! And this Scout's actually coming up on 45 years old now. Hard to believe.
Original tub. Yes, some rust. But I live in San Diego, so it's not totally rotted out like some Scouts. I have a windshield frame in my garage that I've been working on for years, little by little. Rust-free, since the one on my scout's pretty rotted out now. The new one is primed and ready for paint though.
The Scout's proven to be a great camping vehicle though. I take it out to the desert a few times every year.
Lost me at all electric
Yep. I quit watching right there.
@@ejesoriginal great way to ruine another classic name plate
Literally said that out loud lol, time to find something else to watch
Why not put the VW 4 cylinder turbo in here or make a hybrid?
TDI scout? 👀
@@Offensivebeast yes!!
@@GM-kj6sb in a perfect world, unless it was a diesel electric power train which I think a lot of people would be keen to see!
Put the V6 TDI in there.
I bet you'll see some sort of hybrid option when it releases.
My granddad had a scout and I learned to drive in it. They were very heavy vehicles. It went through the snow really well as long as you had speed on your side, but if you got it stuck it took an International Harvester tractor to pull it out.
A lot of people think that. Heavy compared to what though? CJs maybe. My Scout II with steel top and roof rack weighs maybe 4600-4800#, depending on what I'm carrying. That's the same weight range as a new Jeep Rubicon 4-door and Toyota 4Runner. The original Jeep Wagoneer weighed about the same as a Scout II. The current Wagoneer is a pig at 5800#. And the old Scouts are flyweights compared to some of these new EVs. Rivian SUV weighs 7000#! I don't want to think about what the new Scout will weigh.
Another interesting fact: Scout II is kinda small actually. Mine has a smaller footprint than my wife's Subaru Crosstrek. The Scout is shorter overall, narrower overall, shorter WB, narrower track (I think). But the Scout's sure as heck taller.
Keep it simple, spartan, convertible and with solid axle dana 44s!
I think auto manufacturers are allergic to simple, spartan, and solid axles these days.
I thought we figured out that EV and four-wheeling don't mix?
As an engineer I hate to say this, But we did figure it out, the stupid engineers didn't. LOL
Who figured that out?
@@jimjones-pz1tt Everybody doesn't live in Montana or whatever. Move to civilization..
@@anthonyrowland9072 Anyone who has gone offroad for a weekend. Range and refueling matter. Do you tow the generator or roof mount it? EV defenders act like we hate EV's, we dont, we hate long charge times and lack of locations to do it. It will get better, I am aware. I am glad they are making them, just hate government mandates on something that is not ready. Let the market dictate it, at some point I assume it will make sense.
@@anthonyrowland9072 So you off-road in civilization?
Just the vehicles to make use of that huge off-road charging network...
But lets be honest, these arent really going off-road.
Guess they can use the "off-road" gasoline fueling network.
The off-road fueling network is called gas can. Anyone doing off roading knows that.
@@is6566 sadly tho, these vehicles won't have that all-needed fueling port for their batteries
@@is6566 And you can find full gas cans all over the place in the middle of nowhere right?
This is where Scout needs to understand the market a little better and put a v8 (coyote?) in it.
I had a 1952 International 1/2 ton pick up-with "highway gears" -unbreakable!
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Looking at the concept drawings I get basically zero feelings of scout nostalgia.
Love the old Scouts. Had an old one to plow snow with. Engines last forever. Had to get a fiberglass body because the original rusted.
Nice to hear about Scout bodies remake with non corrosive material such as fiberglass. Remaking Spare Scout bodies with galvanized metal, aluminum, or even stainless sheet metal would be awsome.! 🎉🎉🎉
I have visions of being stranded in the tree line with dead batteries…. I wish they would make an “overland” version with a small gas engine or Hydrogen engine, if they want to stay Zero emissions) for “on the trail charging”. I really feel like we true “Off-roaders” suffer from range anxiety, more than most other owners. One of the guys in my community brought his Rivian on one of our easier “Nature” trails. This trail winds through some mountains and ends at a rural town about 40 miles (Airmiles, NOT GROUND MILES) away. It has lots of twists and turns and lots of rocky, uphill climbs. When he began, the Rivian driver showed that he had over 200 miles of range. We ended up having to bring a generator back from town to charge him, as his batteries ran flat a few miles out of town. All the uphill driving used his charge up a lot sooner than he thought it would.
What if you out of gas...
@@anthonyrowland9072Do you know what jerry-cans are? Refuel in minures vs recharge in hours!
I find it unbelievable that fans of the OG Scout would be the slightest bit excited about an electric variant... 🤷♂️
@jimjones-pz1tt
"Blah blah NEW SCOUT blah blah..."
Hell yea, let's get the club together and ride out! 🤣
>aw yeah the Scout is coming back!
>I hope its capable and affordable
>All electric
Well there goes any excitement I had.
The Scout is one of my favorite vehicles ever! Thank you for covering this and please keep us in the loop if there are more updates!
Was super excited. Lost me at EV only…seems like a major mistake with all the EV pushback.
1. it will be loaded with ridiculous gadgets. 2, it will have several models, 3, it will be VERY expensive. 4, it still will NOT be able to be used for a week long trip in the back country due to battery discharge.
Assuming it makes production, it will NOT sell!
Yeah it’s pretty depressing.
Batteries don't discharge by themselves bud. You cut it off at 80% you will return days later at 80%. Not much different from gas in alot of ways... no gas stations in the wild either.
@@panzer948 False, all batteries have to maintain an internal constant temperature and use their own power to maintain that, there fore they discharge. There are thousands of reports of people going to airports parking their electric car that was at full charge and then coming back a week later and the car has barely any charge left. Electric trucks and SUVs taken camping during cold nights or hot days the battery system will engage heaters or cooling systems to maintain their temp and go dead over time.
@gregss.771 well you can yell "false" all you want but as an EV owner of a Mach E and a former 11 year owner of a Chevy Volt I have never seen this happen when returning to car say after a week long vacation etc. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule in bad weather, etc. And maybe certain brands. But this comes like some serious fake news! Just like one EV has a fire, so they all must catch on fire and burn. BTW gas doesnt have an infinite life span either... just saying if you want to take it to extremes. But yeah, I get sick of people spreading bad info. As they say, truth is always somewhere in the middle.
Interested until the word "Electric." On our farm, we had a 1962 (I think) Scout. Noisy, rough, leaky thing that could go Anywhere!
Yes beautiful practical machines , love the 'ole International Scouts !!!! 👍
Best classic scout I ever saw was at Fort Knox. It belonged to a SFC that was a Drill Sgt for the 19D course.
Why full ev? I mean I see following California but in my state chargers are so scarce it’s not even possible for a road trip
I grew up with international vehicles. Learned to drive in my dad’s 1963 IH pickup (3 on a tree!) & we had family vacation road trips in a 1973 Travelall. Loved them & loved the scout.
If they make a truly capable 4x4 that is affordable it will fly out of the showrooms.
I learned to drive in a Scout. I think it had about 80 horsepower? 3 speed, four cylinders. If you shifted into compound low, it would lug forever. It was sort of a convertible. If you un unbolted the top, and got three friend to help you move it off, you could sort of get the tires to chirp if you really hit the throttle and dropped the clutch. My siblings got to drive a Scouit II. My dad also took a look at an International Travelall, but decided that he wanted a vehicle that could get miles per gallon rather than gallons per mile.
I'm not really into the EV aspect of it and I still don't see EVs playing out long term... but I guess as long as we're going down that path this is pretty cool way to do it. I'm a big International fan myself and one of my earliest memories is riding in my dad's Scout.
Reliability, zero. Depreciation, massive.
I think EV's are great commuter, ridshare, short range fleet vehicles, even potentially a farm rig. Offroading/adventure/towing EV's seem to push the capability of that powertrain. I like Toyotas philosophy of using hybrids to increase engine longitivity, mpg, and torque. Is there market research on what customers use Rivians, hummer EV's, and other offroad EV's for?
I haven’t seen any data stating what the EVs like the Rivian, HummerEV, Lightning etc are used for, but from what I’ve seen from owners they seem to be the same pool of people who buy premium/ luxury SUVs, so you get a lot of them just being used as commuters/ family haulers/ tax incentives with a niche amount using them for off roading and towing, but in the case of these EVs, there’s a lot of negative experiences when it comes to the towing and off roading, but those same people seem to be very happy to use them as a normal a to b car.
@@jimjones-pz1tt a lot of EV owners charge their vehicles at night when their asleep.
@@Offensivebeast Until they take a trip!
May i ask how you come to the conclusin that hybrids increase engine longevity?
Given i only drive 1 hybrid to this day, but it is less than a year old. (A Skoda Octavia PHEV) But i can't see it increasing engine longevity, rather the opposite: It always wants to start in EV mode unless you press a button to make it go into hybrid mode.
So by default, it empties the battery complete and then from 0 to anywhere between 1500 and 6000 rpm (depending on the speed and situation you are driving in) snaps in the ice engine. The ICe engine has no preheating or anything, it starts cold and gets kicked in at high rpms when more power is demanded than the battery can provide or the battery is empty.
Doing high rpms with a cold ice engine is not what i learned as prolonging engine life.
Also constant starts and stops of an ice engine (like a hybrid does) also ins't good for engine life.
To me the only engine prolonging way would be like Opel did with the Ampera (no idea how that model chevy was named in the US) or BMW's i3 with the range extender do: there the ice engine isn't constantly started and stopped and kicked in from 0 and cold. They run the engine to produce electricity. So the ice engine runs at it's most efficient rpms and basically like a static motor. No changes in load, no 10-20 cold starts per trip...
@@nirfz,
Hmm I'm not familiar with that brand, my experience is with a traditional hybrid AWD Toyota and the ice engine is always running the moment you start the car. Toyota uses both engines to power the drivetrain, the hybrid assists and puts less strain on the engine. Plus you never have to charge a traditional hybrid battery because it's using your engine to stay charged .If I understand it correctly you're PHEV doesn't start the engine until you go pedal down?
They missed the EV window. EV fanboys have already adopted and the market will only grow at gunpoint.
Too bad navistar (who designed the original powerstroke 7.3) couldn’t put a smaller modern diesel in there, or a TDI
If only they were gonna build a hybrid 😩😩 EV won’t work for me, I drive 500+ miles on one go sometimes
all electric...i'm out
I would not gone full EV give the buyer options EV,gas, Diesel
Is the wrangler 4xe still the best selling phev after all of the price hikes? There seems to be a market for 4wd turbo 4 cylinder hybrid and they plan to ignore it.
By the time they actually produce a Scout vehicle, BEVs will have reduced in cost and increased in range. Better to aim for the future, then to be obsolete right out the door.
@@legostudnga do you realize how aerodynamicly inefficient that design is? These vehicles will NOT have 300 miles of range
Not having an ICE option is a big mistake in my opinion. Seems to me like they are relying way to heavy on Kommifornia and mandates.
I had a 62 half cab and I had a 78 Terra Scout. They were very interesting, very simple trucks. Funny to think, they used medium size truck engines in the Scout so they were very heavy on the front. The 304 and 345 ci engines were used in the IH dump trucks as well. The 392 was put in the pickups and Travelall (suburban size SUV). very durable industrial engines and probably to much for the Scout really. My uncle worked at IH Fort Wayne when he graduated engineering school. He worked on all that and then transitioned over the the heavy truck side.
Rory better start working on a fast charger recovery vehicle, you know, when they run out of juice in Moab.
I bought an International Scout back in 1974 and drove it about 3 years. I have fond memories of being pulled out of mud holes and deep rutted roads by my Jeep buddies!! Hahaha! I am really curious about how this will all turn out . . . Especially the EV decision.
Thanks for sharing
an off-roader you have to wonder if you total everytime the bottom of the undercarriage touches anything! whoo!
i had a '73 International Travelall (exactly like the middle pic @ 4:50) thing was a beast !
And if i live in an apartment just where do I plug it in , ?????? No garage ? no scout plug in .
I'm sure the demographics they're shooting for have two homes and 5 other cars.
Well then, you just can't have one. If the tree-huggers get their way, you, and your fellow apartment dwellers, will be taking the bus, or walking!
I think a hybrid platform is the future. The pure EV platform still has a lot of improvements before it is truly accepted.
I don't know if a european brand can properly pay homage to the Scouts. I am worried that it'll just be another luxury "off-road" crossover like the new defenders and not a mid size truck SUV like the wranglers and broncos. Europe doesn't really do trucks, even VW's Amarok is just a reskin of the ranger. I don't want another glammed up 80k midsize crossover that went for road feel over genuine off-road capability. Take a look at what they are doing to jeep, every vehicle outside of the wrangler is just some uber luxury vehicle which doesn't fit with Jeep's heritage. From a literal utility vehicle made for war, to a farm vehicle, to an enthusiast off roader. Even the "Luxury" jeeps of the past like the original grand wagoneer were more on par with mid level luxury like an olds or a plymouth and not this mercedes fighter they are making now. It would be cool if they could get it right
I’m actually pro EV, but I’m not sure this is a good choice for a pure EV. A PHEV would seem to make much more sense. My Tesla is great for what it does, but I like that my Wrangler 4xe doesn’t actually create a problem if there’s no obvious place to charge. I also really like running under electric off-road, so an electric off-roader is actually appealing to me. However, we are about to drive to Yellowstone tomorrow and we’re taking the Jeep because I’m not confident that the Tesla would like being left unplugged for days up there and the charging options start to get scarce up that way. For an adventure rig, right now, we just don’t have enough viable charging options. The issue is not the electric drivetrain (in my opinion). The worst charging network was created by VW, so maybe they’ll fix that part of the equation if they ever want to be able to sell these here in the US.
So this new Scout will be really just for people who don't really go long distances and who have off road access close to where they live?
....and don't go off-road more than 50 miles from the charging-station!
Maybe they include a pack of folding solar panels that can charge the battery up 10% in a week of sunshine, so you could even reach a charging station after a month or so.
It could be ideal for alpine refuges though. (the small buildings in the alps where hikers can stay over night) They people running them usually go down into the valley once a week to get supplies and then back up. (Usually around 20-30km one way) and they could charge it fully in the valley while loading up all the groceries. This way they make it up back up the moutain. And down again a week later, they recharge enough to make the few kms on the flat. (as i would expect it to loose charge like all EV's while standing around trying to "phone home" and stuff)
But i doubt they will buy that, those guys usually use pretty old things with no modern tech in them that they could get rather cheap and run relatively cheap. (Like small old offroad trucks from the 70's and early 80's. Even old "surplus" military G-wagons from the 80's that got auctioned off for low money)
Should of started with a plug in hybrid. Imagine being in the middle of nowhere with a low battery and nowhere to charge.
I was excited until I heard "an all electric Scout".
Is the scout going to look and feel somewhat like a historical Scout, or is it going to be a Rivian clone? Is this going to be just another thick skate board battery chassis with a current generic body plopped on top of it or is it going to be something really special?
I hope that it has similar Retrofuturistic design to the new Bronco. Heck the bronco already has rounded Scout wheel openings.
Based upon the two sketches Scout Motors released two years ago, it is not going to be very heritage looking - more crossover and short (height) looking. They showed the two sketches in this video. No way will it be available in two years anyway.
I remember my dad saying he almost bought an IH Travelall, but decided on the Jeep Wagoneer after hearing that IH was on their way out.
He bought a 1983 Jeep Wagoneer with Quadratrac. which was a fully automatic four-wheel drive system. You could really feel it when the front wheels kicked in and started driving, though it didn't generally do so unless we had a good snow or were driving it in the fields.
Just because I don't see it in the comments. As I understand it, the tractor side of International Harvester went to Case IH. And they came out with a more true to form Scout of their own as a UTV. Which is basically what the Scout 80 was, a street legal UTV.
They should go with a hybrid engine to start.
Are they in an echo chamber or am I?
I hear such mixed news surrounding evs. Someone interprets the data one way claiming they continue to grow in the market while the government seemingly forces the transition. Then, others see the data and claim these vehicles sit on the lot much longer and are slowing in sales to the point that some manufacturers are rethinking the all-ev thing and are introducing new cars that had been advertised as ev-only with now options to be an ice.
This vehicle as seen in renderings elsewhere also looks like a miss and just looks like another bulky crossover. While I understand that regulations create a very difficult obstacle when designing smaller vehicles, how difficult would it be for someone to design and build a basic small vehicle with just a good old fashioned 4banger or v6? Especially if it were designed to match the former International Scout, it seems like it would sell like wild.
Similar to the Gladiator. While it does seem like it sells well, it’s just a swing and a miss to me. It should have not had the back seat and been several feet shorter much like its own predecessor.
At least Ford (with the Bronco) stayed true to the styling of the old Bronco (unlike Chevy just slapping Blazer on another crossover).
Eh.
It’d be awesome if they took the basic 2-door Wrangler, made it a little smaller, and made it as retro as possible.
I own a 66 Travelall which I acquired from the original owner many decades ago...beautiful styling and glass.
Memories of my teen days in the early 60's in a Scout running the Sierra roads out of Sonora, CA. to Tahoe and Yosemite.
Good luck to the company
It'll tank.
The general public’s desire for EVs may have been slightly over estimated. Good luck.
As an owner of a 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 which I love more than anything, I'm excited although wish there would be big V8.
Doesnt Rivian already have the edge here? What will Scout offer different? By 2026-- R1T/R1S preowned will only be 45k!!🎉🎉🎉
International makes ambulances too, to this day
International makes big rigs as well
They are making a mistake not taking stuff from VW like a drive train from Porsche, etc.
This is gonna be a miss.
Agreed. These guys aren’t going to go far with this business model
Is someone forgetting that Willys produced the 4x4 station wagon prior to the Scout in 1946? Fully enclosed with some creature comforts.
I had a 1963 TC 1200 4x4 , I had it in the late seventies.
It had a little 4-cylinder and a super low range you could get out and walk next to it faster than it would go at an idle in first gear.
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A hard use case for EVs at a compelling price…good luck
I am not big fan of VW but i don't mind their ute which is sold here in Australia but are expensive but well built n offer good models. I would definitely buy Scout especially in International red but it would have offer hybrid powertrain like Toyota camery. Put AEV bumpers like TFL RAM truck, toolbox, portable fridge would great work/weekend truck.
I owned two Scouts and a pickup in the early 70's.........looking forward to see what they come out with.
I would really like to see a pickup make a comeback. Do you remember the truck in the movie "Tremors?" The hero truck was awesome!
This is really surprising actually. Here I was thinking that VW would just use the name as a rebadged VW and have it be a soft roader.
I was not expecting VW to give Scout so much freedom on this project.
I especially love how they're really trying to stay true to the heritage. Consulting with the enthusiast groups is a great move.
I was not expecting this. I'm excited to see what they have offer.
ohhh its Scout and not the much rumoured Toyota Stout
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It should be a hybrid similar to what Toyota is doing with the new Land Cruiser.
No, it shouldn't. It should be an internal combustion engine mounted to a transmission and transfer case, like what Willys did with my CJ 2A
You can kick and scream, but the future don't care. I love my old school 2000 3rd gen 4Runner, but the new 4Runner is going to be a 4cylinder turbo hybrid.....and I will keep driving my old one until the wheels fall off. Buy an old Scout and put an LS in it if you want to keep enjoying the internal combustion engine. It will be a lot cheaper than buying anything new. @@jerroldshelton9367
This is awesome news! I'm a Jeep guy, but with the recent post about Stellantis drifting apart from the Jeep tradition, I'm a little concern. My family owned two amazing Scouts back in the late 70's and early to mid 80's. A Scout II and a Scout Rally, boy those were awesome vehicles!
So sad to hear it only going to be electric. I drove a scout back to Texas for a relative that was closing down his farm In Missouri. It’s a nice 4 wheeler that is very much like a wrangler or a bronco. Would be so cool for it to be remade as a hybrid and retain some of its heritage as a IH Scout.
Hopefully VW Scout will see the writing on the wall and make it a hybrid. No serious off roader would consider a all electric 4 wheeler for overlanding or far out off-roading.
VW should also consider remaking the VW Thing in 4 wheel drive!😅
Had me thinking how did VW get a hold of Scout when it was an International Harvester brand but then I realized Traton SE, their commercial vehicle division, owns Navistar now. But more hoping that relationship would lead to International trucks getting European designed MAN engines in the US like Freightliner gets Mercedes-Benz based Detroit Diesels and Prevost get Volvo D13 engines.
Ok he quoted a bunch of numbers supporting the EV market. I admit I have done zero independent research either way but I've heard the opposite actually in favor of the hybrid market, such as what Toyota is doing. You can find research, reports and numbers to prove anything you buy at the end of the day they both can't true. I don't see this being much different than the other EVs that aren't selling
My old roomate had a 71 or 72 (??? I could have the year totally off) Harvester. It was a cool truck. I could see the road through the floor boards! He had a Scout before that.
Your point just prior to 15:00 in was proven with the new Bronco. Put aside the fact that it's a Ford, the BRONCO had a following... and the following returned, regardless of how they felt about other Fords.
I’m still waiting for the day they just return stock exterior styling to some of our favs out there.
Our house had a mid-70s Scout when we lived in the deep outback of Alaska. Took us everywhere you didn't need a snowmobile, in temperatures far below zero. Don't try this with an EV.
BEVs are not the way forward. It may be a fun goal but so is a flying car and warp drive. The reality is we do not have an electrical grid capable of supporting convenient BEV charging, battery technology is still too slow to charge, very fragile, and far too expensive for most peoples income. If you want to make toys for the very rich who will abandon them like Porsches in the desert of Dubai, be upfront about that. If it’s not a hybrid, don’t talk to me.
I'm gonna have to try and find a copy of that book. While I don't claim to know much about International, old or current, I like what I do know. Their vehicles are really cool, and they look really nice too, and I'd love to learn more. They're also among my favorite trucks to use in Snowrunner.
I just hope they keep things simple.
Simple HVAC with manual controls, manual roll down windows so the doors are easily removed, a motor electric motor that turns a open diff on a solid axle that also has a electric locking option and still a ring and pinion to change gearing, basic crossover steering setup that is hydraulic. Really just taking a 80 scout and adding a battery down the middle that is easy to drop out(from the frame), electric motors attached to the diffs and a very easy to service (waterproof) controller under the hood. Oh and panels that are easy to pull and fix as these may be hugging some trees the wrong way.
Keep it simple. You can have a 2 cylinder in the trunk of the thing with a 10 gallon gas tank that will charge it over 8 hours to keep the pack charged and it will still be "all electric" but you can drive it anywhere.Even go camping in a EV knowing when your on the side of a mountain your not going to have a software glitch.