Always love the videos! I'm always learning new stuff watching your videos on here, plus some awesome new content lol! This sounds cool id love to hear how the MCS system works, and maybe just a quick but more detailed info on how each Link type differs from different Brand's setups, and how it works.
Thanks for this, eagerly awaiting Part 2😊 LATE EDIT-Oh to the people with the silly comments...he wasn't even using a proper ground station lol., OpenIPC is going to blow minds not far from now..patience is a virtue.
If I'm not mistaken the difference in latency between walksnail goggles and walksnail VRX is the latency introduced via hdmi out. I remember Carl stating the hdmi input latency on the hdz goggles was 1 to 3ms. So knowing this would the latency on ipc be comparable to their VRX and not the goggles? Great video by the way!!!
Hi Ian, Thank you very much for such a detailed introduction to the subject. Really great. I have a huge request for you to make a tutorial on how exactly, step by step, with uploading the appropriate software and links to it, if necessary, how did you make this ground station for analog goggles? I have also already bought Runcam wifilink with wifilink-G and Radxa Zero 3W 1GB/8GB eMMC, but for now I don't know how to convert my analog FPV goggles to OpenIPC, and what you showed is very interesting and uses, as I understand it, this wifilink-G from the Runcam camera set. For now, making a groundstation from wifi modules (RTL 8812au or 8812eu-2) is not clear and encounters a lot of problems. However, I would also like to go in this direction later, because I plan to connect the wifilink-G to my phone (maybe a tablet), because I need to record the image with GPS coordinates somewhere and be able to PLAY them back in the field if the drone falls to find it. And no one has even touched on this topic yet.
Great video Ian, thanks! I just also watched JBs video and together you made me want to try out open IPC. I just don't think I have the time for another project... However, there is one point where you and JB say something different: he he says that oIPC is a two way link while you were explicit in saying it's one way. Did he get something wrong or are you both talking about two different things (even though I wouldn't know how)?
By the way: they've already changed the orientation of this wifi module in Runcam and now the micro SD card slot is at the bottom, easily accessible, and the heating element of the wifi module has thermally conductive foam stuck to it and is cooled from the top by this fan. It was probably designed that way from the beginning, only the manufacturer mixed something up and put it together incorrectly.
was waiting on that one for a while, have all the parts lined up for setup. Are you planning on making a tutorial for the ground station (radxa) build also ?
we all like open source but you would have to be crazy to switch to this even from analogue and equally crazy to start fpv with this system. Lets be real.
Ian, did OpenIpc branched off from OpenHD? I just saw your country man (Kitty) did a video on OpenHD. What’s the difference between the two eco systems?
Ian, I'm curious about the significance of Majestic being closed source. It's a component in the OpenIPC software stack which seems to play a big role in the software. And it's closed.
by default yes. but there is a opensource encoder that can be used instead, if your tinfoil hat requires :), is just that majestic works great and at the moment gives the lowest latency
@@eduardoluisbaptistadeolive8542 It's not about tinfoil hats, it's about the cover matching the contents. A project can't proclaim itself as open source if an essential component within it is closed source, if replacing that component with something else materially degrades the project.
@@aracrg Stupid semantics! majestic is not really closed source. It's not for public. there are NDAs... And more to the point, if you want to be pedant just because, with no real point, do any open source projects have access to the CPU microcode for example? No. Then nothing is truly open source by your logic as the code is eventually using a CPU and... bla bla . Some people just want to argue for the sake of arguing...
@@aracrg openIPC is just the firmware. The platform that the fog system is running on, and it is fully open source. The transmission and video are done by wfb_ng( open source) and by majestic( community edition, free but closed source) as default. But FPV is not the only application of openIPC, and at its core it is fully open source. And if the open source encoder is not as fast as majestic right now it is only because apart from keyboard warriors, not enough people are spending their time developing it so that it can become as good as or better than majestic and therefore become the default.
@@petrusoroaga6528 You're complaining about people arguing for the sake of arguing and calling my semantics stupid, yet you are the one arguing with the ridiculous case of CPU microcode. Laughable.
I remember me testing this exact same system ( transmision wise ) 12 years ago in my YT xD Credits to befinitiv, the creator of the so unique wifi behaviou. wifibroadcast the one used in this system wfb. nice to see it progressing and adopting to newer hardware.
You mention that the HDZero goggles only display 90fps multiple times, but I don't believe that they have a 90fps mode at all. They have a 1080p60 mode and a 720p100mode.
Add it to an analogue rig, and do a side by side, for consistent low latency, versus quality digital image, but higher, or variable latency in real time?😊
Would it be possible to send the video link via a 4G/5G LTE dongle? For unlimitted range, we would just need to do controls over LTE too. That would be sick on a airplane.
@@HolyOllie Ive done it before with the C.H.U.C.K Parrot disco Controller it worked great. Obviosly you need Stabilisation, GPS, RTH etc. Its not for fast fpv, flying trough gaps etc.
In my opinion, Id rather buy an o3 kit for $179 (or any other hd system) than to go through the lengthy process of making it all work. I get that its open source and so thats of course to be expected expecially since alot of this is still very experimental. Im sure itll progress into a very good system, however for now, i think im sticking to my expensive stuff
Your flight controller will have the betaflight osd.😊 surely the single wire analogue video signal goes through adc's which is what limits the usable bandwidth keeping the resolution lower than digital, as the camera has many times more capacity for data transfer.......
Not sure how much software development caddx real wants to do. I could imagine them working on a build for goggles x. Not sure about the hardware though, but they have the replaceable board.
Custom ASICS would balloon the price of openIPC to the same price points as DJI and walksnail ,not to mention the ridiculous up front cost of manufacturing a custom ASICS , which is in the millions of dollars , something openIPC will never have
Ian had some legitimate concerns that were addressed by the openIPC guys and from what I’ve understood all’s well in the Ian/openIPC camp. The introduction of a non DJI digital system is super exiting.
Hello, I also purchased this product and encountered an issue. The FC data is almost impossible to display on the OSD. Why do I say "almost"? Because after many attempts, only twice did the OSD show real-time FC data after powering on. I’m using an Android phone, FPVue, and Ardupilot. I’ve tried both MAVLINK1 and MAVLINK2 protocol, but neither could display the FC data.
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Very excited ❤ open source is the best way to keep the hobby accessable and in the STEM camp, instead of just a cash hole 👍
Yes. Truly hope ths has similar success to ELRS. Open source, excellent capability and available cheaply from lots of manufacturers.
great stuff mate. exciting times ALSO you switched from IOS. amazing after their payment forcing etc.
I am happy, finally hope we have an open source digital FPV video system like how ELRS is for rc link.
You look so cool @26:50 --- that headgear setup is beauty! 😛
You mean 36.50 👌
36:50
Always love the videos! I'm always learning new stuff watching your videos on here, plus some awesome new content lol!
This sounds cool id love to hear how the MCS system works, and maybe just a quick but more detailed info on how each Link type differs from different Brand's setups, and how it works.
A quick easy latency test would be to point the camera at the monitor
Thanks for this, eagerly awaiting Part 2😊
LATE EDIT-Oh to the people with the silly comments...he wasn't even using a proper ground station lol.,
OpenIPC is going to blow minds not far from now..patience is a virtue.
Any chance you're planning testing of the Emax OpenIPC models? They seem better finished than the Runcam offering :-)
If I'm not mistaken the difference in latency between walksnail goggles and walksnail VRX is the latency introduced via hdmi out. I remember Carl stating the hdmi input latency on the hdz goggles was 1 to 3ms. So knowing this would the latency on ipc be comparable to their VRX and not the goggles? Great video by the way!!!
Yess! Let's grab my popcorn and coke! I've been waiting for YOUR review on this for very long! 😀
Hi Ian,
Thank you very much for such a detailed introduction to the subject. Really great. I have a huge request for you to make a tutorial on how exactly, step by step, with uploading the appropriate software and links to it, if necessary, how did you make this ground station for analog goggles? I have also already bought Runcam wifilink with wifilink-G and Radxa Zero 3W 1GB/8GB eMMC, but for now I don't know how to convert my analog FPV goggles to OpenIPC, and what you showed is very interesting and uses, as I understand it, this wifilink-G from the Runcam camera set. For now, making a groundstation from wifi modules (RTL 8812au or 8812eu-2) is not clear and encounters a lot of problems. However, I would also like to go in this direction later, because I plan to connect the wifilink-G to my phone (maybe a tablet), because I need to record the image with GPS coordinates somewhere and be able to PLAY them back in the field if the drone falls to find it. And no one has even touched on this topic yet.
Excellent video as usual. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Ouooooo I’ve been waiting for your take this whole time lol exciting
Great video Ian, thanks! I just also watched JBs video and together you made me want to try out open IPC. I just don't think I have the time for another project...
However, there is one point where you and JB say something different: he he says that oIPC is a two way link while you were explicit in saying it's one way. Did he get something wrong or are you both talking about two different things (even though I wouldn't know how)?
By the way: they've already changed the orientation of this wifi module in Runcam and now the micro SD card slot is at the bottom, easily accessible, and the heating element of the wifi module has thermally conductive foam stuck to it and is cooled from the top by this fan. It was probably designed that way from the beginning, only the manufacturer mixed something up and put it together incorrectly.
Trust me i have been waiting for this video on your channel ❤❤
Is it maybe a cooling issue? perhaps your fast flying is cooling it better.
Can you test whether other Runcam Cameras (such as Runcam Wasp / Runcam MIPI) are supported on the Runcam WifiLink?
was waiting on that one for a while, have all the parts lined up for setup. Are you planning on making a tutorial for the ground station (radxa) build also ?
Doing it next w
we all like open source but you would have to be crazy to switch to this even from analogue and equally crazy to start fpv with this system. Lets be real.
Can you record on the HDZero DVR instead of on the ground station so maybe we can see the lag you saw when flying?
The HDZero Goggles can not record DVR from HDMI in
@@invertedflow thanks. I was not aware of that.
Ian, did OpenIpc branched off from OpenHD? I just saw your country man (Kitty) did a video on OpenHD.
What’s the difference between the two eco systems?
Hey mad do you think the og ps vr 1 with 1080p oled 120hz and hdmi in for 50 bucks used will be the pest headset for openipc going forward?
i've waited so long for this video.
finally! 🙂
Very interesting, thank you !
Can you please do a video on how to setup the radax zero , ive tried to follow Mario's videos but its all text and no vocals
I will do it yes.
@@MadRC thank you sir
Yes it works on my Phone 🙂 But where do i put the "Gs.key" on the Radxa zero 3w ?? root directory !?
can you please share the STL for the black VRX box ?
Ian, I'm curious about the significance of Majestic being closed source. It's a component in the OpenIPC software stack which seems to play a big role in the software. And it's closed.
by default yes. but there is a opensource encoder that can be used instead, if your tinfoil hat requires :), is just that majestic works great and at the moment gives the lowest latency
@@eduardoluisbaptistadeolive8542 It's not about tinfoil hats, it's about the cover matching the contents. A project can't proclaim itself as open source if an essential component within it is closed source, if replacing that component with something else materially degrades the project.
@@aracrg Stupid semantics!
majestic is not really closed source. It's not for public. there are NDAs...
And more to the point, if you want to be pedant just because, with no real point, do any open source projects have access to the CPU microcode for example? No. Then nothing is truly open source by your logic as the code is eventually using a CPU and... bla bla . Some people just want to argue for the sake of arguing...
@@aracrg openIPC is just the firmware. The platform that the fog system is running on, and it is fully open source. The transmission and video are done by wfb_ng( open source) and by majestic( community edition, free but closed source) as default. But FPV is not the only application of openIPC, and at its core it is fully open source. And if the open source encoder is not as fast as majestic right now it is only because apart from keyboard warriors, not enough people are spending their time developing it so that it can become as good as or better than majestic and therefore become the default.
@@petrusoroaga6528 You're complaining about people arguing for the sake of arguing and calling my semantics stupid, yet you are the one arguing with the ridiculous case of CPU microcode. Laughable.
Did you try ruby ?
What antennas were you using on the vtx, versus the vrx? Is it LHCP?
Yea but that won't have an impact at this range.
I remember me testing this exact same system ( transmision wise ) 12 years ago in my YT xD Credits to befinitiv, the creator of the so unique wifi behaviou. wifibroadcast the one used in this system wfb. nice to see it progressing and adopting to newer hardware.
Quiet long, nice
I have a question that can you use it with dji goggles 3 because you can connect open ipc with your phone and then livestream your phone to goggles 3
Sorry no that will add massive latency.
You mention that the HDZero goggles only display 90fps multiple times, but I don't believe that they have a 90fps mode at all. They have a 1080p60 mode and a 720p100mode.
From what I heard, HDZero released a 720p 100 Hz firmware, to work with the Walksnail vrx.
I think ruby is two way and might help, but i think it has higher latency.
Love to hear this 56:18
Raspberry Pi zero 2 also has hardware H264 and WiFi, could it be used for something like that?
i dont think onboard wifi chipset is supported...
13:22 Hi, can you tell me about those antennas and can it be updated?
Add it to an analogue rig, and do a side by side, for consistent low latency, versus quality digital image, but higher, or variable latency in real time?😊
Can it do thermal?
Would it be possible to send the video link via a 4G/5G LTE dongle? For unlimitted range, we would just need to do controls over LTE too. That would be sick on a airplane.
Latency hell
i dont think this is a good idea , i know some people have managed to do this on fixed wing but even those guys complained of massive latency
if you have lots of 5g towers near you, you could probably get like 100-200ms latency which is plenty for fixed wing
@@HolyOllie Ive done it before with the C.H.U.C.K Parrot disco Controller it worked great. Obviosly you need Stabilisation, GPS, RTH etc. Its not for fast fpv, flying trough gaps etc.
@@notsogood4321 sure it is a trade off, latency for unlimmited range. I would take it on a stabilised gps platform with headtracking.
At its current level of development, how soon do you think a manufacturer will release an openipc goggle
You are such a badass! Genius!!
Hey, what's up, guys? I have a quick question. Is the Vista still the lowest-latency HD system when paired with the V1 or V2 goggles?
Apart from HDZero yes. HDZero still wins. But then its Au and Vista on V2.
@@MadRC thank you 🫡
In my opinion, Id rather buy an o3 kit for $179 (or any other hd system) than to go through the lengthy process of making it all work. I get that its open source and so thats of course to be expected expecially since alot of this is still very experimental. Im sure itll progress into a very good system, however for now, i think im sticking to my expensive stuff
Totally agree.
I agree too or HDZero.
I'd rather buy Walksnail goggles for $199 and the nano vtx for $109 ...
@@kmieciu4ever shit even analog might still be better than going through this process lol
Or openhd
Hi, very good for first flight, Emax do good job for this projet Bro
What's the OSD situation?
Your flight controller will have the betaflight osd.😊 surely the single wire analogue video signal goes through adc's which is what limits the usable bandwidth keeping the resolution lower than digital, as the camera has many times more capacity for data transfer.......
Not sure how much software development caddx real wants to do. I could imagine them working on a build for goggles x. Not sure about the hardware though, but they have the replaceable board.
It hz because they're not on the same frequency?!😮😊
Custom ASICS are always better. Hopefully OpenIPC will go this direction.
Custom ASICS would balloon the price of openIPC to the same price points as DJI and walksnail ,not to mention the ridiculous up front cost of manufacturing a custom ASICS , which is in the millions of dollars , something openIPC will never have
@@notsogood4321 I’m happy to pay that money and I’m sure others would too. Walksnail is already cheap so being the same price wouldn’t phase me.
But you've banned OpenIPC from your attention and reviews previously :( Has OpenIPC creators community changed?
Ian had some legitimate concerns that were addressed by the openIPC guys and from what I’ve understood all’s well in the Ian/openIPC camp. The introduction of a non DJI digital system is super exiting.
He said in a stream he wanted to start from a fresh perspective involving the project and its devs
When did he say that?
@@neuromancer692 Community section > ~7 months ago. You can also go to UgkxqvStxDTWnp3OEJcfeRlkUJJsLTVq4PMx post directly.
It's something a lot of people have been wanting to see.
what a crap omg... for me looks like a bull shit android... Analog's way better.
Does it work with windows laptop?
Yes it does. Check out the wiki page for tutorial.
TIME FOR SOME COMPANY TO MAKE GOGGLES WITH ANALONG AND OPEN IPC BUILT IN SKYZONE YOU OUT THERE
Hello, I also purchased this product and encountered an issue. The FC data is almost impossible to display on the OSD. Why do I say "almost"? Because after many attempts, only twice did the OSD show real-time FC data after powering on. I’m using an Android phone, FPVue, and Ardupilot. I’ve tried both MAVLINK1 and MAVLINK2 protocol, but neither could display the FC data.
Same setup and msp osd works just in some clicks, native osd it's better imo. Stopped using the in app osd.