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- Talk about "Can We Trust China?" with Ashley Dudarenok and Pascal Coppens
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In this video, I'm talking with Ashley Dudarenok about my new book, Can We Trust China? We delve into the Qubit mindset, the Chinese and Western lens, some misconceptions about China, of course whether we should trust China and more.
00:00 The "Can We Trust China?" book
01:57 Why was the book written?
03:35 What is the Qubit mindset?
07:37 The Chinese lens was put next to the Western lens in the book. Why?
11:01 What are some misconceptions on China?
15:16 The collective versus individual model to understanding China
20:12 How to better understand real Chinese people-the consumers
26:10 Differences between the leadership model from China and the Western model
32:35 China's silent revolutions-"Wúwèi" (nonaction), a Daoist way of making change happen
37:53 China is more free than we believe in the West?
42:26 How does China balance progress with control?
47:31 Can we trust China on a world stage? Can we trust China on the environment protection/sustainability?
52:47 Space Odyssey-what does that mean for the future of the world?
58:11 Can we trust China and if so, how?
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Much better question...Can we trust the americans???
That answer is very clear!
Yes we can. They dont have filthy communists.
Nope !
ask the native americans
Yes! We can trust them to bomb someone.
If you believe China is a peaceful and progressive country, raise your hand 🙋🏻♂️✋👍
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Progressive, LMFAO from the actual progressive China, in Taiwan.
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@@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane Taiwan, a US vassal. LMFAO.
@@litesp Better a US vassal than a CCP slave. Any day, any time.
Thanks, Pascal, for educating the West about China! Frustrated with so much misinformation about it! I bought the book! Yay!
Thanks for buying the book, and do share your thoughts after reading it.
@@PascalCoppens shall do!
Can We Trust China? .. more importantly, Can China Trust You?
Pascal, I have great admiration on your thesis writing. However, I would like to share my critical thinking of a few matters: Let China be China and let the Chinese choose their way of life, their desire of the type of government and their own desire for a stable government. But the West wants China to be what they prefer China to be and insist that China must not progress technologically. The West prefers a poor China and doing all things possible to ensure the collapse of China while denying it. Chinese watch these hypocrisy and have understand it. China will focused on what they should progress and improve and let the West trail behind. Democracy and liberty are Chinese values and embedded in Chinese cultures and they need no lectures from the West. The colored mindset of the West can remain and remain forever in the western world and China will progress and achieve their own preferred destiny
I concur with your view.
Well said
The CCP fund an independence movement in Okinawa and accuses the US of meddling in other countries. It would be great if the CCP kept to themselves not to mention Taiwan
@@mylet2658 Accuses the U.S. of meddling in other countries.??? That’s not accuse. It’s the truth. Have you heard of the CIA backed N.E.D.? You probably not.!! Check out what they’re doing in Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand and Malaysia. They also funded the riots in HK 2019. !!!
Also, Taiwan belongs to China.!
@@OhFookinELL the CCP does the same thing hypocrites
good analysis! Western ppl need to understand ppl think differently than them from times to times
thank you so much Ashley and Pascal, so good video, as always you bring to us, its very complex the topics and you both made it comprehensible, very important work, even more when talking about the bad and incomplete presented its all about China in our west countries and our societies. Brilliant and simple video, and is not simple make this articulated topics some thing easy to pick. ✊👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻, thank you guys. 🙂
Thanks Joan!
As long as u understand the Chinese are using chopsticks and the west is using fork and spoon, then we understand each other.
Ashley, love the cheerleading and enthusiasm in your voice. 👏🏼👍🏼🎇
Regarding freedom, no people in any country on earth has total freedom. All countries have *laws* and laws are intended to limit your freedom to do bad things, such as driving through a red light, or assaulting your neighbour over a dispute, or firing a gun in public, or robbing someone.
When Westerners speak of freedom, they are referring specifically to *political* freedom. The Chinese are much more pragmatic - political freedom doesn't put food on the table, nor a roof over your head, nor protect you from a pandemic.
Ultimately, it comes down to *cultural* differences. Chinese and Westerners have different *value systems* and it is only arrogance that causes Westerners to believe their value system is superior.
Democracy worked South Korea and Japan. They are in the east
@@mylet2658 China is very different from Japan. China is very different from Korea.
@@horridohobbies but the reasoning they give is that “we are not the west democracy can’t work here” it worked in Hong Kong for decades. They see it as east vs west dichotomy which obviously isn’t the case. I know countries are different but they don’t give a reason why it can’t work versus other Asian countries.
@@mylet2658 China is a *unique* country unlike any other Asian country. Its history is *unique* . Its culture is *unique* . The mindset of its people is *unique* . China is the oldest *continuous* civilization state going back nearly 5,000 years. It has a practical history that informs it in ways that no other country on earth, Asia or elsewhere, does.
The great Western powers, Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Russia, and USA, brutalized China during the "century of humiliation." It hasn't forgotten. China is very cautious of following the West.
Hong Kong is the product of 158 years of British authoritarian rule. Hong Kong people identify strongly with UK.
Japan is a US vassal state, the product of a brutal military defeat 77 years ago.
Western democracy has been a failed experiment in many countries...USA, India, Taiwan, Brazil, Hungary, Turkey, etc. Even Japan's democracy isn't so democratic.
China tried democracy in 1912...it was a massive failure. Russia tried democracy after the fall of the Soviet Union...it, too, was a massive failure. *China regards it as very risky.*
There is *absolutely* no reason whatsoever for China to even consider adopting Western democracy again.
@@mylet2658 Before y'all export or try to export democracy eastward y'all should ensure that your democracy is working properly. In fact all y'all got in the west is an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy!
Classical Greek Democracy gives the right to vote to educated and esteemed people. If one is uneducated one doesn't get to vote.
Excellent discussion!
Your understanding of the Taoist philosophy of _wuwei_ (無為) is very astute. Chinese have this expression: _"Let the bullets fly for a while"_ (让子弹飞一会儿) meaning let both sides fight it out until things settle down, before trying to ascertain the truth later, and this relates to the philosophy of wuwei.
If you write a book with a title
*Who else can trust US ?*
It will be soldl much much much...better
I am viewing this podcast the second time, well Ashley statement that " function n flourish " in chaos is classic reflection of Chinese successes especially in small family businesses.
Mandate from Heaven also must be taken in positive note that up to modern days, even we as Chinese diaspora often use this attitude to face difficult situations to have persistence n perserverence to face challenges..
Yes, Pascal's circle of trust is a good model to differentiate the nuance between East n West.. Pascal saying Chinese is just as individualistic as the West but Chinese appreciates his/her role within the circle of hierarchy that respective roles should be respected..
Ashley should widen her sphere of influence about East to the West n I wonder what her background is.. ( my first time viewed her podcast,)
Adding value to Ashley narratives on Chinese business .. exactly, the rack to riches of Chinese diaspora that are big conglomerates in modern days were started from chaos n uncertainty, it was the drive for better living n eventually paying back to society by establishing n financial support to clans n fraternity association, donations n scholarship especially towards education..
If you enjoyed this video, raise your hand to show Pascal Coppens your undying support 🙋🏻♂️✋👍
You can't raise your hand to do anything in CCP China. Try going to free China in Taiwan, there you can raise all the hands you want.
One example tens of thousands of Chinese workers were and are working overseas or migrated with hardship n sacrifices in order to work out a better living for the family especially their children with the role as head of the family.. eventually the children will appreciate their parents n repay by having respect n piety towards their parents ..
About leadership in China now, basically derived from the cultural heritage n the primary one is hierarchial with input from modern management principles. ... . Ren Zen Fei, the founder of Huawei is a classic example continue to serve as role model in leadership that was forged by the circumstances of hardship.
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Bought book already. 👍
Thanks Daniel!
Many Westerner sees things in Black and White, whereas Chinese mindset is like the Yin Yang Symbol, ☯ where there's a small white dot in the black, and a small black dot in the white. It symbolize dark in light, as well as light in dark, and both are needed to attain balance.
Can we trust USA ????
Maybe you should write a book titled “ We do not trust the US “
Pascal, seeing that you are acquainted with Harari's work, maybe you also know his friend's work, Schwab. Pray, have you read Klaus's books? Would you mind telling us what you made of them.
I have not. Will check
@@PascalCoppens Thank you for replying. I really hope you do.
BTW, I think your work about China is great, a lot of people have a totally distorted view of China. Regardless of what China might be, I know what is not and some people seem to have extremely biased ideas which are not based on reality.
I thank you for your work in helping with correcting this.
how about other platforms? only on Amazon?
It is on other platforms in U.S. and on my website www.pascalcoppens.com/shop
Is the book available for sale in China?
Not that I am aware of. If you buy from my website I will ship to China.
The chinese people also have a similar question. "Can we trust the west?"
We already know the answer.
Both has same values, but the west is more about principles and chinese more about pragmatics. Thats why both of their values seem sometimes much to be so defferently in arrangement and orderliness.
@@kanding3369 No, your narrative that too much freedom is no good is over simplify the Chinese preferred hierarchial leadership，living in harmony with others n the believe in common good Instead of individualism..
Most important the rather philosophical Chinese derived their culture for pragmatism from a hybrid of thinkers, philosophers in terms of ways of life n living in harmony with the environment in the order of Taoism, Confucianism n Buddhism.. in comparing to Western derived from religion n tenets of individual freedom n the absolute rights as a person while Chinese more on communal narratives.
To summarise, Chinese endorse the freedom of the mind within the overall confine of a system such as family, community n nation.. ( partly derived from centuries of up n down of dynasties.. but family n nation are 2 key collectives.. 有国才有家 or 有家才有国 !)
U never found one person bankruft six times in the government‘s position
The West just disguise their pragmatism aka interests with principles
What is the definition for principles:Western Collective that used military might to manifest imperialism to plunder, exploit, enslaved, genocide n colonized.. to achieve their current high standard of living, stealing n looting thousands of relics, artifacts to fill their museums including refusing to return the Crown jewels of Queen Elizabeth..., Selling opium to China n using the opium war to seek compensation 4 million Oz of silver that took China to payback only recently.. the last Governor of HK, Patten tried to institute democratic laws in HK during the last few years before returning HK to China in 1997， then causing civil strife in HK until 2019.. condoning South Africa Apartheid until the 1990s. , US using its Monroe Doctrine to rule South America n Institudied more than 60 cases of regime change in Latin America.., annexed Texas, California and Florida from Mexico.. EU taking in millions of Ukraine refugees but refuse to accept many refugees from Africa n Middle East.. all the double standard hypocrisy.. for more than 300 years of imperialism that cheat, steal n lie about their corrupt geopolitical intents.. just list a few.. to seek your answer does the above mention is part of your narratives as definition of principle in terms of moral n ethical fibre...
@@kanding3369 well, please teach me a few things that Chinese culture that u felt I am too shallow n in comparison u have more in-depth knowledge , be part of Chinese culture that believe in enriching others . .. ..
As I was typing my reply to a comment.. then I heard Pascal talked about the overall system!! ,,👍
@Kan Ding No, your narrative that too much freedom is no good is over simplify the Chinese preferred hierarchial leadership，living in harmony with others n the believe in common good Instead of individualism..
Most important the rather philosophical Chinese derived their culture for pragmatism from a hybrid of thinkers, philosophers in terms of ways of life n living in harmony with the environment in the order of Taoism, Confucianism n Buddhism.. in comparing to Western derived from religion n tenets of individual freedom n the absolute rights as a person while Chinese more on communal narratives.
To summarise, Chinese endorse the freedom of the mind within the overall confine of a system such as family, community n nation.. ( partly derived from centuries of up n down of dynasties.. but family n nation are 2 key collectives.. 有国才有家 or 有家才有国 !)
You both started with "have to trust someone before you can learn from that person". I think it is a slip of the tongue because you have confined the meaning of "learning". I believe one can learn from friends or enemies, honest people or crooks, politicians or scientists, lawyers or doctors, but I agree not everybody has the attributes of an open mind and ability to analyse the information.
You also mention the West has misconceptions about China and the Chinese have misconceptions about the West. Sure! I see nothing wrong with that as long as you do not use these misconceptions to attack the other party or try to influence the other party to be like you. When this happens the world will be more peaceful.
I agree with your second point. As for learning from those you distrust, that is possible too, but it seldom happens. The issue is that when anyone distrusts someone, most people will block out any information that the other party is revealing, and such not learning from them. This is what I mean by not able to learn when you distrust someone. But thanks for the nuance.
@@PascalCoppens I have a broader spectrum of "learning". I learn from crooks how they cheat so that I can be more vigilant. I learn from politicians how to blur up things or divert attention. These can be useful skills for my work. If I distrust a person and like you said he will not be telling the truth, then I probably can be confident that is not the truth and not waste time confirming it.
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To trust or not is not a binary answer, except to God. With men, trust is a question of degree. It's why we have the word "risks". To view or approach "trust" in the binary is nothing short of naive, therefore. Since time immemorial, people have learned lessons of "trust" in all aspects of life. Divorce, for instance. Mandated govts. post-elections, etc.
I mention in my book that we shouldnt think binary, and as such this question is the wrong question to ask.
@@PascalCoppens You're right, of course, except that short of the binary a measure of trust is necessary in all contracts, accords and agreements. The problem is when short-sighted people, especially those in power, view things in absolute zero-sum/adversarial terms. When they do, they often, and unwittingly, get their own countries in effect boomeranged. Maybe they are coming to a too-slow watershed realization the world's emerging to a new multipolar 21st century era.
if you know a little about history of western countries, you will know how interesting question it is.
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Can China trust Western countries?????? hahaha
Can China trust you? That is the question.
Why would China need to trust me?
I'd be more worried about another country.
I wonder if there is a book called "Can we trust US?"
Your assertion that "only when you trust someone, will you learn from them"...problematic...it should be "only when you lose your ego, hubris, western exceptionalism, will you be able to learn from others not just China...".
Fact is, China does NOT care whether you want to learn or not.
China is not trying to teach the world, it just wants to be left alone when it comes to governance, ideology and its territorial sovereignty.
China will do what it takes to improve their own nation their culture and their people, and they can do that regardless whether US/the west wants to learn or not, it DOES not stop them from developing.
China is not averse to learn from others, and is taking on board the good stuff and ignoring the not so good stuff, China is not stuck in their own ego, hubris or arrogance, they are mostly practical people...hence Deng once said "it does not matter if the cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice".
China does not spent time nor money in global smear campaign as a primary development model. It tries to innovate in order the compete with US/the west, US on other hand adopts smear campaigns and put blockers to stall China's development.
China believe that it does not matter what your ideology or religion or language is, so long as you improve the lives of the people and not just 1 group of wealthy elites in 1 country.
"Can We Trust China?" Pascal Coppens asks. It is only fair to ask CAN WE TRUST Pascal Coppens and his book?
You'll have to read it to form an opinion I guess.
Fair question if you are genuinely curious and not just an anti-China troll.
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Wish, especially US to leave China alone. If US and NATO want to support Ukraine, do not involve China.
The arrogance and temerity is that they arrogate to themselves the right to support Ukraine in any way they wish, but China is not permitted to support Russia in any way!!
@@stephenlock7236 China is free to provide advanced missile systems, artillery and ration packs to Russia. It is none of the US's businesses. But in a free world the US can respond. Only once China has stolen all of ASML IP on lithography should they support Russia. Up until that point they will bide there time. It is the last bastion. Y20 = C17.
Pascal you realize you are liking bot comments
That must by my Qubit mindset. Will make a video about that next
That's dumb premise "can we trust China?"
Question is should the global south trust U$ led west?
This is a bad question, very western centric. Why China has to convince you with all their best while you keep on China to accommodate your wish? Trust is a two way street. After years of efforts been done and seeing the outcome, China just give up on you. Live your life your way while leave Chinese living their own life will be more appreciated
You don't really talk about the hundreds of internment camps to imprison innocent chinese muslims in Xinjiang. What are your thoughts on that?
because it is a big fat LIE by the US-led smear campaign. plain and simple.
How about some evidence before you regurgitate all the CIA sponsored lies. Just keep away from Adrian Zenz paid papers masquerading as research.
Go n see by yourself.🙄
Talk about "Can We Trust China?" must after you know about Adolf Hitler .
poor guy with sad brain
Several points: 1. Ashley Dudarenok is a Russian marketing person living in China, Thus the online romance.
2. In his book, "Can We Trust China", I've read it, he does not include the thoughts of Vietnam, Japan, The Philippines, or Taiwan. Do ya think they trust China?
3. China is authoritarian, how many Chinese people voted for the CCP?
4. Unlike authoritarian govs, Democracies have never gone to war with another Democracy, Never.
5. If Pascal wrote a book entitled "Can China Trust Democracies" do ya think he'd get media time in Cina?
Although his books are insightful and his writing is clear, Pascal has an agenda. It's propaganda.
you are still in binary mode. Chinese are by nature peace loving while western government is about aggression win and lose. oh democratic and authoritarian is just name. sticking to this belief wont get you far and have a neutral perspective of life.
@@cliveleong2048 How can you post from China, China's internet is a closed system unless you use a VPN, but VPNs are illegal in China, Hmmmm.
@@danpress7745 I agree pure propaganda the book is, we can’t trust a country that has mobile death vans and firing squads and kills more citizens than gun violence in the US
LMFAO. Given a choice, they would throw the CCP out in a heartbeat.
And switch over to? Seeing the approval ratings I don’t see why they would throw out the CPC. There is a choice. If the people are not supportive for the CPC you will have a revolution in no time. It’s like back during the times of the emperors if you don’t have the Mandate of Heaven any more you are out.
@@scy3894 LMFAO!!!!!!! Approval rating? If you dare disapprove they will kill you and your whole family. Switch to what? A Liberal Chinese Democracy, just like Taiwan. Duhh?
that's why thing happen to George F…ld
Nice try, all you've done is studied the CCP, not the Chinese people.
The Chinese people are part of the CPC. All walks of life are represented within the CPC. And all walks of life can participate in bettering their neighborhood but also in bettering the country.
@@scy3894 LMFAO!!!!! So says the CCP. Care to have an election?
@@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane that is one of the misconceptions people have with regards to China and that’s there are no elections. There are elections in China. Is Nancy Pelosi elected as third in line? Or is Ursula von der leyen elected? A person like AOC or Trump wouldn’t get very far in Chinese politics because they lack the merit to do so.
@@scy3894 LMFAO!!!!! Misconception my ass. The Taiwanese know more about the CCP than you ever will. They know more than the mainlanders themselves who have to serve The CCP and be blocked from ALL information about the outside world. Ask the Taiwanese if their brothers and sisters in CCP land have democracy. LOL!
And I suppose you've studied, much less actually asked, the Chinese people?
The CPC actually has 90 million active members. People who actually do things as part of it, and not some registration status.