Can We Trust China? Talk #2: Double Standards
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2022
- Pascal Coppens second talks with Alberto Antinucci about his new book "Can We Trust China?"
Both Pascal and Alberto have a long experience in doing business in China and witnessed the changes within the country over the past 3 decades.
Topic of this talk will be "Double Standatds"
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The event will be broadcasted on both RUclips, Facebook, and LinkedIn. 
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I noticed after the video that the quality of my image was bad. I apologise. Must be issue with connection. Will try and sort it for next weeks live session.
Pascal continues to amaze me with his knowledge about geopolitics and china. He is spot on about the Chinese activities in the south china sea, and that it is a response to the American threat to their shipping routes. The build up of artificial islands was a direct response to Obama/Hillary's "pivot to Asia". Obama reneged on his word that he would not encroach onto china's territory.
China proclaimed the nine dash line in 1947 with UNCLO adopted in 1988. Why do we retroactively apply the law to China? Can we do that to the US on the occupation of Hawaii?
The US really needs to make clear what the rules are which make up the "Rules Based Order". For example, the US says China should abide by the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea but the US itself is one of only two countries that are not signatories to the convention. Similarly, the US says that China should abide by the ruling of the World Court directed arbitration with respect to the dispute between China and the Philippines over the SCS. But the US does not recognise the jurisdiction of the World Court. It's clear then that UNCLOS and the World Court aren't part of the "Rules Based Order". So what is ? For example, what rule allowed the US to invade Iraq based on fabricated evidence of WMD, resulting in the deaths of a million people. Or the invasion of Afghanistan resulting in a quarter of a million deaths. Someone help me: what are the rules ! Then there are the many agreements that the US has reneged on such as the nuclear agreement with Iran, the intermediate range missile agreement etc. I guess these weren't part of the "Rules Based Order" so what is ? Finally, there is the International Criminal Court which the US has blocked from investigating US forces war crimes in Afghanistan. The US issued an executive order effectively criminalizing anyone who works at the ICC. Its lawyers, judges, researchers etc could now have their U.S. bank accounts frozen, U.S. visas revoked and travel to the U.S. denied.
Can I summarise what I think the "Rules Based Order" really is: It means that the US does what it likes and the rest of us do what we are told.
Source: can't remember where I got this from
It’s a pity I only caught part of it… will try to listen from the beginning later. Am happy to be able to join and ask questions and get very measured and intelligent answers. Thanks to both of you ;)
It was our pleasure to have you. Thanks for asking great question.
The father of modern China is Sun Zhongshan, who is commemorated both by KMT and CCP.
Dr. Sun Yat-Sen.
It's CPC
(USA) America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question...
Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
2014 - 2022 - 6 countries yet to verify.
Pakistan 2022 *
indeed, it is "do what i tell you - invasion, forbid you do what i do - liberation"
That list is familiar.
Racist White-Savior complex.
Thanks for the list. Will check them out
Pascal clear and precise as always
Thanks
peace
Nice talk.
Thanks.
Thanks!
China is currently *at peace and not at war* with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like _roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports,_ etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is *warmonger* being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it sounds like the United States is a threat to global peace and stability.
Why are you NOT including the countries of Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan, India, the Philipines, and all those countries along the S C Sea?
As to Ghana, Tanzania, Kenya, and other African countries how about checking out the VLOGS from those countries they're not happy with China..
Thanks for joining and commenting every time. Truly appreciated
@@danpress7745 I will try and get even more insights on all the countries you mention.
@@danpress7745 Because China is currently not at war with any of them, which country is China at war with? As for Taiwan, it's not a country, it's an inalienable part of China. Even Taiwan's own constitution says that Taiwan is part of China, so since there is no amendment to Taiwan's constition, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution.
@@danpress7745 Check out the video: _Gyude Moore: “China in Africa: An African Perspective”_ published by Paulson Institute, it shows the African perspective on China.
Thanks to both gentlemen for your insights and detailed perspectives.
I think the people of Europe or other areas of the world constantly question China's treatment on issues such as human rights etc and not the US's, has a lot to do with the fact that the US has large annual government allocations to fund anti China propaganda,
I can however not quantify allocations to fund anti-China/West propaganda on either side.
Slowing population growth - not a problem as China is the biggest user of industrial robots.
it's really an overblown issue.
About men and women position in chinese culture is that chinese civilisation started with matriarchy sociaty, women dominant.
Yaea right, and men did the dishes.
@@danpress7745 they do in Shanghai 😂
Some minorities form China were indeed more matriarchic. But in general Confucianism has been a strongly patroarchic society. That said, Chinese women are very strong minded and included in modern society.
@@PascalCoppens , yes indeed. After the confucious step in, it had changed the position totally more to patriarchy. Nowadays its going to more and more balancing these two position.
@@danpress7745, in generally chinese men do more dishes than western's men.
Pascal - at 1:01:15 mark, re: your joke about the US having 2 parties, I prefer George Galloway's version that it's actually one party, or as he puts it, the 2 cheeks of the same backside.
The UN report on China's repression of the Uighurs is overdue but devastating.
Arbitrarily detained in prison camps , subject to forced sterilisation, coerced labour and electronic surveillance, the Uighurs of Western China have been subject to appalling human rights abuses that may constitute crime's against humanity. This is the verdict of a long delayed UN report into China's treatment of its Muslim minority .
It's publication has vindicated the claim's of countless reports over the years of the Uighurs suffering. It exposes China's long and mendacious campaign to cover up these abuse's . It demands at least , global condemnation and China indicted by the International Criminal Court .
The UN confirms what what has long been known from reports clandestinely gathered by Uighurs that detail the sufferings of their countrymen. Satellite observations show a vast system of detention camp's , euphemistically described by China as re-education centre's. Looking more like concentration camps , they have watch towers , barbed wire and guard's who, according to witnesses , have order's to shoot to kill anyone attempting escape. At least a million of this 12- million strong Turkic speaking minority have been interned in Xinjiang. China claims it is fighting a terrorist campaign by separatists and that it's centres are set up to help Uighurs to combat Islamist ideology. It's actions belie this grotesque falsehood . Uighur women have been sterilised or forced into abortions. Mosques and Islamic tombs have been destroyed. Mass migration of Han Chinese has been encouraged into the vast province in an attempt to dilute the minority population there . China put enormous pressure on Michelle Bachelet , the Geneva-based human rights chief . Many feared it would not see the light of day , To her credit she published it on her final day office . It drew a furious and predictable reaction from Beijing, who called it a hodgepodge of misinformation planned and manufactured first hand by the US and some Western force's. A spokesman said the UN human rights office had sunk to becoming the thug and accomplice if the US and the West .
The report stopped short of labeling China's actions as genocide, as Washington has done and many exiled Uighurs demanded. It is nevertheless hard hitting and devastating in its detail .
It can also be viewed as white perils from opposite of the west isn’t it?
True. Just never been told as such
would be interesting if Pascal did dialog with people who have felt China: ie, Honk Kongers, others who have escaped China, or westerners, doing white monkey jobs, who have lived in China, or how about African VLOGS who worked in China only to be booted out. One might get very different observations.
Da lip servicing press for "we lie, we cheat and we steal"
More than happy to engage in any conversation with people who have been hurt in or by China. Many of my friends in Europe who lived in China have a very different opinion than I have, but we are still able to debate the matters. I actually mention many of their experiences and views in my book.
it won't be interesting because Pascal never talks anything controversial. His bread and butter is how awesome China is. Lest his viewers and masters figure out that China is evil.
Do the chinese beleave in god like we in the west.
About 20% of Chinese are religious. I have exact numbers in my book. Largest is Buddhism and the Christians. Actual the biggest community of Christians globally will soon be in China.
@@PascalCoppens , i heard that too that chinese christian are increasing. Is that because of the western influnence or its because of the chinese religion atmosphere has turn into new phase?
The West Don't believe in God,school Don't teach about the bible they only teach evolution
@@PascalCoppens I read that the CCP is re-writing parts of the bible. Or updating it. Key changes I have read is that the CCP version will say Jesus admits to being a sinner and the law always must be followed. "The revisions will include adding core socialist values and removing passages that do not reflect communist beliefs." I wonder if the Christian faith will be promoted under the CCP version of the bible. If that version ever gets completed.
Two of the prominent theistic religions -- which I shall simply categorise here as Islam and Christianity, they do both have a presence in China, making their way in different times in its history. Islam came from China's Western borders and Christianity from the European traders/colonialists form the Southeastern ports. So, in that essence, in response to your question, one could say, "yes there are Chinese, who have taken on such religions of monotheistic foundations, who therefore do believe in the god as often referred to in the western tradition."
Do bear in mind that East Asian culture, Chinese culture never had a mainstream perspective of a theistic outlook of the universe. Confucianist scholar Du Weiming has mentioned, in the entire heritage of eastern philosophy, unlike the western tradition, there had never been a single debate on the existence of god. There have of course, like virtually any human culture on this world, their own perceptions of the "divine" and own narratives of beings that exist beyond the mortal realm, but the reliance of interdependent belief on the concept of a god differs considerably.
There are also interesting parallels and contrasts to look at in each's tradition. Take for instance the flood myth. If the Judeo-Christian premise was, "devout faithfulness to the theistic being guaranteed the exclusive protection and survival of a family (Noah's ark), that even nature could not overwhelm", the Chinese account could not interpretatively be more different: "do not oppose of the water (the flood), rather, one must direct it, flow with it (Yu the Great)." In short, the story was, Yu's father attempted to dam up the water to protect the people from the flood, but the dam broke and caused great damage. Yu learned from this mistake -- water is too powerful -- you can never fight or overcome it. One must learn to harness it and guide it -- his solution was a huge irrigation network spanning nine clans. This success marked his name in Chinese historico-mythology.
If the references to water sounds stereotypically Oriental, rest assured that because fundamentally there are based on genuine, embedded roots in such a worldview. The references to water in Chinese philosophy are immense (Mengzi's view of human nature, in contrast not expressed in terms of "sin", but rather using the water model as a reference point, is just one of many other examples).
Aware that the content here is a bit of an extended aside I couldn't help but share, but my intent was to substantiate a very succinct but meaningful point Pascal has often mentioned. In that there are huge worldview differences in the East and West, even in the 21st Century when we all supposedly have equivalent technologies and both can communicate in a global lingua franca such as English. It comes down to different civilizational histories and worldview -- as forged through the thousands of years. It's virtually in every aspect, from language to business to family structure and attitudes, and definitely here, religion.