House of the Dragon | Episode 10 Spoiler Discussion
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Disappointed no-one called him Luke Skyfaller.
I love the return of the Mummer’s Farce line by Daemon. It clearly lived rent free in his head for decades
I love all the GRRMisms that made it into this show! “Mummer’s farce”, “mayhaps”, “mine own”
@@joelw9811 There must be half a hundred GRRMisms
@@joelw9811 there was a lickspittle as well!
Yeah, dude was waiting for that moment.
Oh good catch ! I was wondering why I was reading this expression with Otto's voice, you made me realized he said it first to Daemon rrr
Aemond really just started a massive war on accident 😂 loved seeing him actually terrified of how little control he really has over his dragon.
GRAND OL' bitch did! NOT Aemond...
Sorry Google.. But Vhagar is a ♀!
I totally agree, and from the show perspective I do not know how anyone can question it was an accident. Aemond telling his dragon no and trying to gain control should be a dead give away. He was totally fine with with scaring him but I think that was all he planned.
@@chrispainter2703 agreed. The real question is what he says when he gets back to KL though. I think there’s a 0% chance he actually admits he can’t control Vhagar, and if he just takes credit for the killing as if he intended it, then that’s all the sources who are used to tell the book story would ever know, so this “change” doesn’t actually contradict anything.
@@SRosenberg203 that's a good idea how they could tie the show and the book versions together, Aemond's pride I think will certainly not let him admit it was all a big mistake. I am very interested in the next season to see how unruly the dragons will turn out to be, will this be a theme or just an issue younger dragon riders will have.
@@chrispainter2703 I think we've seen hints of it. Because Laena and Daemon didn't seem to lack control at all when they were doing their little "Dance" in Pentos. But they were also clearly in a different emotional state and both had more experience as Riders than Aemond had in his scene.
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I'm wondering if that will play into how Aemond and Vhagar are eventually killed. Like will Daemon's stronger bond with Caraxes allow him to get the better of Aemond and Vhagar, given that they seem much more in sync than Aemond and Vhagar are?
it's interesting to me how we are ok with having a violent fight scene in every episode and no one would complain yet having 4 births is too much or overdoing it when literally everyone alive ever needed to have been born .
But nobody alive was miscarried. I don't think people would be squeamish about it if it didn't involve dead babies.
I think it was a good thing to include those scenes. It makes the world feel more real to me, as someone who likes history. Because giving birth was in medieval times a very risky business.
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At this point I think the dragons were acting on pure instinct. Despite having riders, these are still dangerous creatures.
also on the emotions of their riders. both syrax and caraxas seemed to feel the pain of their riders.
Animals. We don't say it enough. Dragons are just animals. And that's what they felt like this episode
@@jesse1086 They're like super loyal dogs. That are the size of aircraft carriers. And by dogs, I mean Saint Bernards, who don't give a sh** if you told them to come or not, they go where they want.
You guys missed a STRONG joke when Beau said “It’s the coffee… it’s strong.” 😅
He also said Black
They were keep saing strong so often that i thought that's last name for bastards 😒
@@Iza56 No. Assuming they're all born in King's Landing (so it depends on where they're born, not on the name of their parents), their name would be Waters. The Strongs are a noble family. And this rule only applies to noble bastards, so any common bastard wouldn't get a special family name like that. Also, bastards can be legitimized by petitioning the King and take their father's name, as you saw happen with Ramsay Snow, who became Ramsay Bolton and as Jon Snow would have became Jon Stark, had he accepted Stannis's offer to join him.
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I really think that Daemon felt slighted by Viserys at that moment when he choked Rhaenyra...it's almost like he figured it out that Viserys never truly did consider him his heir because he never told him the secret of Fire and Ice. So that was his immediate reaction...and you can see Rhaenyra smirk when she figures it out as well and says, "He never told you." and she almost felt she had the upper hand at that moment.
I got the impression that he was focused on the here and now and to hear her talking about a coming war against "darkness" in the north when she has a real actual war across the bay in King's Landing was too much for him. His comments reflected that, too, but it's easier to tolerate your brother having flights of fancy when there are no threats about. It's a lot harder when messing up means everyone's head is on a spike.
@@joeshmoe001100 Good point
Little correction about that Cersei stuff. In the show, when Ned asks if Robert has hit her before, Cersei says that her brother would kill him if he did...which means him striking her in the show was probably the first and only time.
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Daemon: county roads, take me home, to the place, where i belong...
Vermithor: WEST VALYRIAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Daemon choking Rhynaera is completely in line with the character. I dont understand the controversy with it. Hes impulsive and a cold blooded murderer. They just "murdered" his brother and feels like Rhynaera isnt doing anything about it, just like how Viserys was a king who didnt take action when it was needed most. Which Daemon hated and had to deal with all throughout the 1st season. Its very plausible all those emotions got to daemon and made him lash out, especially considering he had moments where he physically lashed out in the past. Makes 100% sense to me
I think the controversy is more about the audience than whether or not it made sense for the character. The first episodes made Daemon look like a charismatic mysterious "bad boy" character, BUT very important, he had a code. Or this action feels like a breach of the code. I think people (myself included) want to like Daemon, but every time you're close to feeling you've figured him out, he does something to contradict that. He's bad until he does something decent, he's good, but then he does something inexcusable. Personally, I think he's just bored and he's thrill seeking. He doesn't want power, as much as he wants action. He couldn't sit on a throne and hear petitions like Daenerys, he'd die of boredom.
In the Steptones he beat the messenger to death and he smashed his wife’s skull in. When did he ever display a code??
I think she left a snail trail to the bathroom and rubbed one out.
@@rodrigoantolinez7068 Daemon groomed his niece and plotted to have them discovered in a pleasure den just so he could force his brothers hand. I'm with you, when did he have a code? Mind you, he told Rae she was too young at the time so he knew what he was doing was wrong and disgusting but he tried it anyway. The writers gave us the truth of daemon's character from the beginning if his stans didn't think chocking Rae was in his character then they are the ones who deluded themselves.
@@octavianpopescu4776 Agreed that he doesn't want power. If he wanted power that badly, he'd have undermined his brother and taken his place. But he *does* feel like Rhaenyra is being extremely, fatally, foolish. And frankly, she is. And so far, she's paid for it with a son and a dragon.
Haven’t read the book, but I knew Luke was gonna die before he left. They telegraphed it by focusing on him in particular while doling out assignments. Then when he got to Storm’s End and saw Vagar I thought “if you don’t leave right now you’re dead Luke” and he did not leave. So I was just waiting for him to die. And when he cleared the clouds? I just thought “here it is, adios Luke” and he was gone.
Yeah, knew he wasn't long for this world when they were talking about how easy his mission would be.
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I'm going to strongly disagree with you about the birthing scenes: I equate them to battle scenes, or the jousting scenes, or any scene where two or more characters are engaging in some graphic violence, but which has to do with the story: battle and fighting scenes often bore me, confuse me, and seem excessive, but they are part and parcel of what the story is. Birth is a vital part of this particular story. Birth is a dangerous, sometimes lethal, activity - in the eighteenth century, Diderot likened childbirth to battle, in fact, so the idea is far from new. Birth is how we all came here. It's a violent experience. This show is displaying that. I feel that if we can sit through a battle scene, or any of the number of violent deaths we've already seen and will see in the future, we should be able sit through the birthing scenes.
I couldn’t have said it better if I tried. As a woman, I’m incredibly grateful that the writers are bringing forth for the masses, the true and excruciating pain and grief of miscarrying a human being. Putting aside even the sheer level of story/character building this is here to solidify moving forward. We’re desensitized to a hundred years of gore and violence on the screen, and yet a woman’s violent reality of childbirth is “too much”. I’m admittedly shocked at Nerd Soup’s viewpoint on this, albeit fair and solidly understandable. It’s not in line with their character, unless I’ve missed something from the many many videos of theirs that I’ve viewed from beginning to end.
@@kash.e.w2936 As a woman, I hate it. There are lots of horrible, true things in the world that I really don't want to see graphically depicted on television. (I just felt I had to make the case that all females are not in agreement on this point.)
@@stevnated of course. Not for all women
@@stevnated there are ppl who hate to watch violent graphic content regardless of the specifics. Nothing is for everyone.
I agree; showing birth in this way is important both in terms of the story and irl. A lot of times people romanticize giving birth without mentioning the horrors of it. Seeing what Rhaenyra goes through to have children makes it even more impactful when she loses them. It’s also extremely relevant considering some people don’t have access to modern healthcare, and also certain countries are trying to eliminate rights regarding childbirth.
nah, the miscarriage scene had to be shown for us to see how horrible it is to go through…it serves RH’s character in many ways…it shows her as someone who truly loves being a mother since she held onto a dead child after so much pain and cursing she still held it in her arms ready to become a mother again. It also conveys how strong and collected she is since she is able to pick herself up after just a few hours of having to live through such a traumatic experience. It also shows what being the next in line for the throne does to a human to be able to pick yourself up so quickly which is probably very unhealthy in the long run…with them skipping that scene we would not feel the same level of strength from her and it would be a similar effect to the time jumps when it comes to daemon and luke
It's also a reminder of how badass she is. She gives birth and then walks to the red keep, and in this scene she solos a miscarriage
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I don’t blame her one bit for bringing the baby herself to Alecient. I wouldn’t let someone like her being around my child without my being right there. It was a cruel request, Alecient could’ve visited Raenyra in her chambers. She was wrong for doing what she did.
With Drogon, we forget that he lived in the world, untamed, undisciplined and uninhibited, so he was able to grow more freely and faster, they slightly showed it, but Drogon was quite a bit larger than Rhaegal and Viserion because they were in confinement for all that time and it messed with their growth and development.
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I think it would have helped explain Daemon's choking to draw a connection between his perceived weakness in Viserys and his daughter. He respected Rhaenyra for her fire, he stepped down at Dragonstone when she stood up to him, he married her, and the second a crown was put on her head she was like "I don't want to do war because of a prophecy." He had to have seen the spectre of his dead brother in this, his life's greatest torment continued. Not excusing, just describing.
I just started listening but I wanted to point out that SO MANY PEOPLE cant seem to keep track of who people are or what the time jumps were. Like they without being told directly that its a time jump of 7 years, 4 months and 23 days they can't just grasp that was a rough time jump of a few years or whatever. Expecting young versions of characters to show up after time jumps. The most egregious one was asking why Rhaenyra also had an older sister named Rhaenyra and when the younger one would show up again. Like I understand its not super easy to keep track of, but c'mon its not that hard if you pay attention.
Most people sit and watch things with their phones in their hands. No chance these bozos payed attention to the whole thing lol
@@BobbyFlay14 Thats totally understandable. I mean most of the times I am listening to youtube in the background and will miss whole sections of the content (NOT THE NERD SOUP PODCAST I PAY FULL ATTENTION TO THE AUDIO NUTRIENTS FOUND WITHIN!) but like a very story heavy interwoven narrative I try to keep on top of it. And its not like I'm a book reader who kind of has a step up on whats going on either. I'm not complaining about it either, if they enjoy it all the same then hell yeah.
They've made it pretty clear imo. Like the other person said, those types of people are scrolling social media or dividing their attention with something else if they can't understand what's happening. or they're legitimate morons lol
They need info spoon fed and thankfully HOTD not about dumbing down the audience
People who don't understand aren't fans. As soon as game of thrones came into myife I was listening to all the channels and looking into all the history and lore. Those are the people the show is for. The ones who love westeros enough to KNOW what the new show is about and what book it's from. The ones who spent a lot of their free time in westeros in one form or another. Fuck the fly by night fans. We don't want them!
Until your discussion, I hadn’t thought of the sense of vulnerability Aemond and (by proxy) Vhagar had to feel to have someone come from Aemond’s blind side and have Vhagar’s eye attacked. Maybe that’s why she was triggered. It’s well established that the Eye is one of the only vulnerable parts of their bodies, with Meraxes.
Fantastic observation, Arrax attacks Vhagar from his left eye just as Lucerys blinded him in that eye.
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The way you were talking about not being able to watch the miscarriage is the exact way I feel about war and torture. It sucks that it disgusts you but to me it's cool that there something I can watch and relate to when I usually have to look away for most battles and gruesome scenes. It's nice that they represent the battles that women face and while it is a bit frequent, so are battles and wars so it kinda balances out
I don’t think Daemon asking how his brother died was weird. Rhaenys said she was locked away while Alicent made her preparations. They stole the throne. It kinda makes sense the greens were tired of waiting for Viserys to die and put him out his misery. Who else wouldn’t think he died of natural causes?
Yes, it definitely is suspicious from their POV. And I also think Daemon advocating for quick and decisive action was the correct approach.
23:00 There’s a little nod that rhaenyra gives to daemon in the throne room just before he beheads Vaemond, it’s subtle but definitely there, maybe she does have some dawg in her
The dragon accident reminds me of dogs, when their owners egg them on and egg them on and they get worked up, then they snap at someone or bite them. The key is not putting them in that situation to begin with lol
Unfortunately they gave weapons of war to children and they didn't know how to control them appropriately. Now a 14 year old is dead and a nation is plunged into war
Totally agree on this one. As a small dog/dragon owner we avoid bid dog/dragons like the plague for fear the meister/vet won’t be able to save us if attacked 😁
"Domestic violence" isn't a thing in a fictional medieval world. Daemon is complicated. Choking Rhaenrya wasn't remotely shocking. This is the guy who beat a previous wife to death with a rock.
It does add to his character though. He wanted Viserys's love and respect more than anything. He's being confronted with the fact that his brother didn't trust him. Someone like Daemon would definitely react violent in a moment like that.
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I’m dying over the sea snake discussion, y’all are too funny
Aemond doing it by accident gives so much nuance to an otherwise random act of cruelty and spite. It's also pretty cool that he seems like the other side of the coin to Daemon, he'll be like a Jaime Lannister type character but go off the deep-end with the Kinslayer title.
39:50 I enjoyed the discussion, although it seems that everyone forgot how Corlys Valeryon (in the six years he had been away) actually implemented the recommendations Rhaenyra gave about setting up permanent garrisons to control the stepstones..
Nerd soup back in thier element. I'm glad to hear you guys having so much fun in this episode. Just like old times.
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I’ve really enjoyed season 1 of HOTD, but if there is one thing I could nitpick it’s how the war has been getting setup on a “series of accidents and misunderstandings” rather than the characters actions and motivations themselves. Could be just me though.
Tragedy is founded on misunderstandings, while drama is about proactive action. This is a Greek tragedy in the works
It's not getting set up that way. Nothing Otto or alisant has done is by accident.. they know what they are doing and what it leads to. Same for larys and daemon. Also viserys. He knew his choice naming rhaenyra his heir was going to lead to major conflict and he never did anything to help set up his daughter for success. Especially bringing Otto back after knowing his true intentions. Just aemonds lost control of vhagar. He didn't intentionally kill his nephew but he will tell everyone he did. Bet
@@user-bh2fz5sf5e That's a really good point about Viserys that I didn't put together. Seemed like he always favored Rheanyra clearly, but he sorta let her down too instead of going all in.
@@jebus9001 He pulled himself off his deathbed to back her when she told him her situation. He did everything he could. He just trusted the wrong people and thought Alicent and his hand wouldn't betray him while his body was still warm.
@@nickh.1110imagine when Daenerys roasted Kings Landing on Drogon that she was actually like, “nooo Drogon don’t”
I never took the prophecy miscommunication as being the main plot driver. It’s the biggest misconception. Saying "you will make a fine queen" doesn't mean Alicent completely changed her mind & gave up on a 20 year old fear/grudge. It more likely was a heartfelt gesture where she got carried away in the moment. The coup was always gonna happen because of all the primogeniture/dynastic reasons. The prophecy was simply used by Otto & others as a propaganda pretext and by Alicent as a self-deluding tool of moral justification. Which goes along with her show character of "trying to hide behind the cloak of righteousness". It was her trying to convince herself (not others), what she was doing was moral & right. What one might call “house of accidents and misunderstandings” is but a quintessential Greek tragedy.
One of the best analytical break downs of the series you'll see.
This.
It's keen to point out that Alicent wants to delude herself. Every step in the way, from Clubfoot to Viserys to Aemond, she just wants to maintain plausible deniability.
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Wonderful analysis, super enjoyable!
“Aegon Targaryen sits the iron throne
Wears the conqueror’s crown
Wields the conquerors sword
Has the conqueror’s name”
Rhys was cast perfectly and keeps dropping gems 🔥
It also illustrates how hollow all those things are: names, titles, a round thingy on his head and a sword... In fact, by repeating conqueror, he's underlining just how much he's NOT like Aegon the Conqueror.
Great pod guys
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Of all the upcoming spinoffs the one I'm actually legit excited for is the Sea Snake one. Just the idea of getting to see all these cool places from the world book like Yi-Ti is enough to get me hyped
the timejumps definitly hurt some of the emotional moments and character development but at the same time what are all these people supposed to do? there isnt a lot happening in westeros at that time. maybe you can add one episode but i got the feeling that you already know who the kids are even in the time we got.
Please if they included an episode of better character development the complaint then would be "this was a filler episode or it moved too slow".
Gonna miss these.
-Rhaenyra hesitation to start war is fitting with SHOW Rhaenyra which is different from BOOK Rhaenyra. Here we have seen her more in touch with her father (Who in the books is actually a drunk). She loves her father and follows his example by trying to keep the kingdom united without war, even the Crown of her father represents unity with all the sigils of westeros major Houses. So it is fitting that she hesitates to start a war.
-Daemon is an asshole tho, you guys are forgetting he is an agent of chaos that beats a messanger that carried his brother support and KILLED HIS WIFE. Him choking Rahenyra is fitting and on character that is impuslive and willing to behave like an unhinged psycho (or a mad dragon).
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Y’all are freaking hilarious. I was listening this morning at 5:30 cleaning my kitchen and CTFUUU. 😂
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These podcasts get me through work man👌👌
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Whenever I clean my house for the evening, I put one of your videos on speaker and listen. It's become a ritual of mine lol
Lol, I listen while I do the dishes
Something that I heard that I am actually really liking the idea of with the "losing control of their dragons" is referencing when Rhaenyra is going into labour and it keeps flashing to Syrax like the dragon can feel her pain and anger, and that the reason Arrax attacks Vhagar is because Lucerys is terrified and the dragon picks up on that and is affected by it through their kind of mental bond, also panics and activates fight or flight, deciding to first feint attack to throw off the pursuer and then bolt, and then of course Vhagar is a giant predator, something running is away is prey.
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What if Daemon rides Caraxes and Caraxes rides Vermithor?
Lol, have your ninja bike on the back of your Stryker tank.
He could ride Caraxes and bring along Vermithor like what Daenerys did with her journeys and when she rescued Jon Snow and team confronting the night king for the first time…. But then the lullaby he sang to Vermithor promised him a new rider
I think the whole point of daemon hitting rhenyra is that he gets violent when he feels like he’s losing control/when he’s emasculated. He hit her when she tried to take back control. I don’t necessarily agree with it but i feel like it tracks for his character. Also i think it’s setting up him leaving her for nettles.
He choked her.
youve got this completely wrong.
Daemon choking Her has nothing to do with his romantic feelings fading. Its more to do with the fact he was in a state of anger and grief along with his volatile personality. He would do the same to nettles if placed in the same situation.
@@jj6392 I’m saying he gets this way when he feels threatened about his status: beating the messenger at the steppe stones, Viserys was taking his victory from him; he was walking away from Rhea Royce, until she insults his man abilities, then he grabs the rock; and now he tries to command the war plans, but then rhenyera reminds him who’s actually in charge, and he feels weak, so he uses his violence to regain some sense of control.
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@@panthertvchannel5921 thanks man!
Great review Teddy 🥫
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"How hard is it to navigate" lolololol! You guys have a great podcast!
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Great season finale to a very good season 1 of HOTD. The entire cast did a phenomenal job. Paddy in episode 8, Olivia Cook in episode 9, Emma D'arcy in episode 6 and 10 and of course Matt Smith. I disagree with how Daemon, Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were written at times but the portrayals are excellent. Looking forward to season 2. Thanks for the excellent content guys.
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Over an hour, love it!
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Will you guys ever go back to the animated character videos of you guys talking? Loved that
Only a few minutes in, and this is, indeed, some good soup
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"I miss being a janitor" lmaoo Teddy always saying the most random things 🤣
36:00 - This discussion broke my brain a bit, what show do you think you're watching? How many characters have we watched being brutally murdered at this point in GOT history? Off the top of my head over 3 named characters have had their heads caved in like watermelons. So why take issue with the childbirth scenes? Personally I think they've been some of the highlights of the season, considering some of the most outstanding acting as been showcased in these moments. Every single one has been plot/character relevant and help give context to the actions and feelings of those around them after the fact.
Just think TV seldom shows the messy reality that is childbirth, and the more these kind of things are shown the more understanding might be given to pregnant people.
44:09 bro that caught me so off guard and made me die of laughter 😂😂
30:20 It was like turning the car on and it starts blowing hot air
Every time Aemond comes on screen my mind defaults to the episode of Flight of the Conchords when Jermaine shows up as 1972 David Bowie from the Ziggy Stardust tour.
“Get an eye patch man. Get an eye patch.”
Ha ha... Great reference 👌
All I have to say is I haven't read the books but my best defense is daemon barely has lines yet everytime he's on screen the actor commands it plus he's badass. Perfect TV combo
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So, do you guys think Luce will escape Vhagar's belly immediately at the beginning of season 2? Or, do you think they'll save it for a big reveal later?
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Absolutely perfect timing, the notification popped up the exact moment i picked up my phone because i couldn't sleep
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Does anyone have a link to the video they were talking about where someone edited Mark Addy's narration over that scene from the season finale?
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good review, i absolutely agree with beau on rhaenyra/daemon
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The scene between Rhy and Daemon could be the reason why she does not care about he does in the book. I have to remember that "Fire and Blood" are third hand accounts and no one truly knows what's true.
fuck you guys crack me up, "did one of you bring in the smell of tomato soup?" hahaha im dying
Teddy is officially a dad. Congrats on your first wound.
Another powerful house of the soup review ladies and gentlemen
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I would love to see rhaenyra make rhaenys her hand.
The choke felt odd for how we have seen family and loved ones being daemons soft spot but it's still inline with his character to lash out in anger and violence and feeling insignificant. His Ed shows he takes lack of control and not being important hurts him a lot.
The amount of roasting in this episode was absurd lol
Wow!! This dropped early...as always...luv it and Teddy cracks me up as he realises some things he missed🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....the confusion with the Baratheon having a dragon cracked me up!! My 2cent
One thing book readers forget is that, the book is from a 3rd party perspective so saying they changed Aemond's reason for killing Luke makes no sense to me cos at the end of the day...No one was up there with them..The story tellers cld have jst assumed Aemond wanted to kill Luke becos of what they saw happened and how he was demanding for a fight!!
Also, DV does happen in real life and when people complain about it being shown in tv shows or movies, I get confused. Should it be excluded becos it makes people feel uncomfortable??..and saying it is cheap writing when these things literally happen irl and this character has been shown to be impulsive and irrational is rather interesting.
And people being angry with Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship not being all shiny or rosy aint saying it for fun. They are dead serious...I mean they created a ship name for them....oh can't wait to see their outburst when they are shown how their beloved 'ship' plays out if they follow the book!!
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I had to rewind 4:28 because holy crap what I thought teddy said sounded wild
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14:08 where can i find this video?
Beau did misspell my las name. lol.
I feel like Corlys could make a good king
30:00 that’s right out of the books. When Dany rides Drogon in ADWD she has this line like: “it was so different from riding her horse. When she whipped Silver on the left side, the horse turned right since a horse’s instinct is to flee from danger. But when she whipped Drogon on the left, he would turn left, because a dragon’s instinct is always to attack.”
Given that, Arrax attacking makes perfect sense. He was in fight-or-flight mode being stalked and terrorized by a huge threat. He fled at his rider’s command, fled, and fled, but eventually his own instincts overrode the commands and he attacked, regardless of how hilariously futile that attack would be.
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I have missed Nerd Soup and gonna miss you again. Se you in 3 years
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I think Rheanryrs and Corlysb knows their son is alive , because his dragon won't bond with another till he dies
Seasmoke? In the book, was it Joffrey tried to climb him but failed and even injured him?
There's plenty of other dragons that don't bond for decades though. Just because there's an unclaimed dragon, it doesn't mean people can claim. It's on the dragon. The one Daemon was whispering sweet nothings to hasn't been claimed for decades.
Corlys literally says in the episode that he Believes that Rhaenyra killed his son
Something I read In a breakdown explains why danys dragons are absolutely yolked.
The dragons the targs ride are from nests that get hatched and cultivated.
The eggs that dany got were fossilised dragon eggs which means they could be almost primordial in age.
That kind of explains why drogon is so massive if he comes from the stock of the original dragons to walk the earth
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Same Bo. Same.
Awesome
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Hearing Little Luke's Scream on 2nd Watch was Heartbreaking 😥
Ok so at the end you guys were talking about Rainies and her dragon Miraxys and the letter from Dorne.....me and my husband have a theory.....
What if the Prince of Dorne knows about the Song of Fire and Ice?? (We don't know how he would) But the way Aegon grips the throne till he bleeds after reading it how he doesn't tell ANYONE what the letter says. AND it would explained him not trying to invade Dorne anymore and it explains Dorne not bending the knee but at the same time "playing nice" idk it's just a green puff cloud theory lol
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It’s like the yippie little dog trying to take on the the big dog.
To add to the point of viserys not being dumb, he also did admit he knew pleasing one person pissed off another
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Great show as usual! The rough birth scenes are so necessary, and they should be uncomfortable to watch. “Women have forgot more about cruelty than men could ever remember.”
The horror of having to survive something so gruesome - behind closed doors - and then get up and get to work, it’s central to the story if these women, what’s expected of them and what they suffer.
Birth is something badass about women in a tough way that is true to life. When women are shown to be badass like men, kicking ass and punching big dudes, people complain it’s so unrealistic. When women are shown being badass in a true to life way like this, people say “ugh, do I have to see that? Do I have to confront a reality I have conveniently ignored until now that might color how tough I consider a women capable to be?”
THIS
It's so real and so common. Especially in the days before modern medicine. It's only strange because it's been kept behind closed doors. We see in this show the fathers are rarely at the the women's side during childbirth... And they are the ones who write history. This is a tale about women... It cannot be written from the distant male viewpoint
That dornish messenger that went to king Aegon was the prince of dorne daughter. Even more gangsta
Aemonds laugh reminds me of the green goblin from Spider-Man. Willem Defoe vibes.
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In what universe do tomatoes, asparagus, and coffee smell like each other? 😂
Hey Beau, Borros wasn't saving Luke from Aemond. he was preventing the bloodshed from happiness his hall which would be seen as his fault
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Everyone has their own takes and thats fair, but I do think Beau is completely wrong about the Daemon situation on this episode, I think he just locked on into his own mindset and refused to see things differently or even analyze them in a neutral stance.
Daemon choking Rhaenyra is not about domestic violence whatsoever, it also does not contradict his character. Let's keep in mind that Daemon talked sht about Otto's dead wife in his face, he mutilated several dozen people, he broke a peace treaty in the Stepstones, he murdered Vaemond in cold blood in front of everyone, he murdered his ex-wife, he took a preeeeetty young Rhaenyra to a brothel forcing her, he rejects his own daughter just because she doesn't have a dragon... he is arguably one of the worst persons on the show.
Yes, Daemon has a soft spot for Rhaenyra and Viserys, but that just means he likes 'em more than other people, he is still shit with them. Daemon wronged Viserys so much during the first half of the season, and I already stated what he did with a young Rhaenyra.
Daemon choking her isn't about domestic violence or gender violence, it's about him losing it because he is a shitty person. He was already furious because of his brother's death and then he found out (by Rhaenyra) that his brother didn't trust him nor respect him enough to tell him about the prophecy.
It also sets up a weak link on the Black's side, just like Allicent is not trusting Otto to the fullest anymore.
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Respect that Lord Baratheon shows him??? You're kidding right? No guest-right snacks or meal offered. No offer of staying to rest either overnight, or at least until the end of the storm. "At least" he was escorted to his dragon - not when he's being set up as prey to Aemond and Vhagar. Of course in the war to come he'll be siding with his new son-in-law to be... but if i was Rhaenyra, i would count this lack of respect to my son as the first move in the action that started the war.
I agree with Beau about the domestic abuse scene. I get that they wanted to show Daemon as quick to violence, but there are other ways to show this than the domestic abuse trope.
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Especially if they move past it effortlessly. A woman like Rhaenyra shouldn't be so accepting of her husband choking her out. Especially because she's his QUEEN.
I've said it before, but I'm very curious to see what Nash has to say.
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This is good soup.
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Rhenys DID NOT like Rhaenyra even b4 her son died lol. Where is this opinion coming from? The cold shoulder she gets in ep 7, the her threatening to not support her in ep 8 and thinking she killed her son? Her calling Rhaenyra a fool for thinking she could be queen in ep 2? Not saying "why wouldn't we?" When asked about her houses support in THIS episode lol? I don't know where ppl get this idea
Yeah, and after all that, she finally learns to respect Rhyneara in this episode when she literally mentions it to corlys. You can see it on her face during the coronation scene. She may not "Like" her, but she respects her a lot more than Aegon and the greens. What show were you watching?
@@JabroneyDirt yeah that's exactly it tho. This is the first time Rhenys actually has good feelings towards Rhaenyra. Corlys litterally says that Rhenys was right about Rhaenyra and they should stay neutral. Implying Rhenys making that exact point to him in the past.
Rhenys not bowing to the rightful queen is not any act of respect but at best simply distant observation. She getting over her preconceived notions of her to see Rhaenyra as she truly is probably for the first time.
Besides patriarchal systems pitting women against each other is a significant theme of this season. Rhenys arc in this season concluding with her overcoming it is important to her character cuz I don't know what else, thematically, her arc would be about.
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whats up with the tension between those two guys?
I feel like the back to back deaths, her father and the stillborn, scared her..and the last death pushes her over the edge...and as for daemon I was thrown off too, but he also killed his wife and multiple people out of impulse...his anger is something I feel he struggles to control...
I work for a big coffee company - I can verify that some North African light roast coffees smell a lot like tomato soup.
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That’s some good soup
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Rhaenyra does give Daemon the nod to kill Vaemond right before he cuts off his head.
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She sent Luecaryes to Storms End, because it was the closest to Dragon Stone.
Yeah, it was supposed to be the "easier" of the two errands.
Guess she forgot that Storm's End was closer to King's Landing as well (I think, don't have a map handy right now).
Yo Teddy, why you wearing day old dirty ass shirts marinated in asparagus fumes?
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If Arraxes swoops in and swipes Vhaguars eye out then flees to safety would at SALT