Love how Palpatine’s plans progresses constantly, even when he’s literally doing nothing at the moment, showing how the war brought utter disarray for the galaxy to be brought into his own strings.
Those medstar books deserve way more attention they were so good. Even in scifi fantasy combat medics are the real heroes. Wish Star Wars had a version of MASH in space.
Think there is another factor to consider to Barriss's point of view, and honestly got Krell and some other jedi to thank. During the war there were a number of jedi masters who viewed the clones as disposable, not much better than droids. This wasn't the case for all of them, but there were still a number of them that did so to a degree. Barriss's own master might actually be among this group, she doesn't show the same compassion for the clones as say Kenobi and Anakin. But like Mundi she was considered the atypical jedi, distant and devote to their teachings and their code. Hell during the second invasion of Geonosis her master was willing to write her off as dead when Barriss and Ashoka managed to destroy the factory. These type of jedi didn't always connect with the clones under their command, or the very least they didn't seem to show the same care to them as to another jedi or an actual citizen of the Republic. And since the clones weren't citizens, it's fairly obvious they didn't get the same kind of respect or even rights as most would. Barriss would see this play out far more often behind the frontlines and near triage centers and such. Not only seeing jedi masters acting more like generals but viewing clones as mere numbers then actual living breathing sentient beings. Again, this isn't all of the jedi doing this, but suffice to say after years of fighting there may be more starting to trend to this.
We don't see any jedi acting like that. The only material that presented this angel were Karen Traviss's books and she was notorious for having a hate bone for jedi and love bone for the military macho adjacent stuff (clones, mandalorians). Luminara didnt write off Barriss. She was merely calmer than Anakin who was panicking and losing his temper. Its a contrast to showcase Anakin's inability to let go and foreshadow his falling Revenge
Most Jedi were fairly uncaring about the clones. Yes they wouldn't needlessly allow them to die but most wouldn't risk an entire mission to save a few clones, whilst Anakin always would. Anakin was extremely uncommon in that respect. Kenobi did care a lot about them but not to the same extent, where he'd always look out for them but not risk everything. Shaak Ti is quite caring toward them, challenging the Kaminoans on their tactics and treatment of the clones. Yoda again cared for the clones as he would any other life form, especially in the 1st season where he gave that beautiful speech about how they're all different in the force even though they look the same, but he wouldn't have allowed it to cloud his judgement. Then you have Jedi like Ki Adi Mundi and Quinlan Vos who saw them as nothing more than organic droids. And obviously Krell who actively tried to get as many clones killed as possible. Most Jedi fell in the middle of the two extremes, not disliking the clones but also not overly caring about them beyond the typical attachment of being brothers in war. Anakin saw them as no less valuable than himself, and wouldn't ask them to do anything he wouldn't do himself. This is probably why the 501st was such a good unit, as the bond between the general and his men was very close, with mutual respect and actually liking each other.
@@james501001 I know that what you are saying is the *Intention* of that episode, but the actual writing comes off as "I dont care if Barriss dies, because if she does thats what the force wants" or at least I found thats what it said to me, my interpretation is that Anakin and Luminara in that episode where more like two extreame stances where one cares way too much and the other too little, while the padawans sat in a much better position of being in between the two but a reflection of their masters still
@@charlielynch3916 Honestly, I would argue that the Jedi you talked about at first did things right. In a military operation, risking an entire mission to save a few soldiers is a great way of getting a lot more soldiers killed, both in the short term and the long term. They knew the risks, and while there is a very strong argument to be made that the clones didn't have a choice, most of them seemed okay with dying if they had to. Not to say that you shouldn't try to save them if reasonably possible, just that there are times when sacrifices have to be made. Now, if you were arguing that the Jedi could rely on Force plot armor (which is almost certainly an actual thing in-universe, though I doubt many people realize it) and therefore when they do the thing which in that moment is the right thing, the expected long-term consequences of those decisions would never come about, I could see where you're coming from, though I don't think that's quite how it works. Or you could be talking about how most Jedi didn't forge the same connections with their troops that Anakin did, or have the wisdom to see the same value in them as Yoda and Plo Koon did, much less express it, and that is the reason why they acted the way that they did. If so, that would be a major flaw, and one that the clones could sense and which would make Order 66 a lot easier for them.
My two cents on Barriss's fate: unfortunately, she likely was simply handed over to the Coruscant Guard, taken round back, and shot. It's something of a cop-out for her character, but it's the one that makes the most sense in-universe. Additionally, Sidious likely used her as propaganda; "This Jedi bombed a Republic military base (the Temple); can we truly trust them?" How sadly ironic that her actions, however wrong they were, were twisted into a catalyst for the very thing they were committed in valid opposition to.
@@zikkimeister215 Really? If so, that’s cool. Cause I heard that her fate was that she went to jail, was rehabilitated, and came back just in time to be killed during Order 66. Which I think is dumb!
I love how Barriss was a nurse for the clones during the war. She even acted like an older sister towards them in their time of need which was so nice and cool. Great character detail.
The irony is that by Barriss doing what she did, Ahsoka ended up becoming more of a badass and a much wiser character. In a way, Barriss saved Ahsoka and her choice to leave was the smartest move. While I do not agree with Barriss' actions, she did have a point.
All experiences shape us for better or for worse, even the darkest and most painful events can make u strong if u allow urself to grow in a productive way. Ahsoka did that throught TCW
It's resonable to blame the Jedi for fighting the clone wars, I think. The Jedi wear peaceceepers of the Galaxy, not the Republics military. The seperatist posed no, zero threat to the Galaxy. Only to the power of the Glactic Senate/Republic. Therefore fighting them, insted of working to create a peacefull soulution, probably including the break-away form the republic, was abandoning there creed. That means that then from first entry in the war, except the direct self-defence of order members and senators, it's a war they aren't fighting reluctendly, but activly for no good reason. The observation of the death/suffering of that many living beings was entirly without reason and should've radicalised anyone to say the Republic is corrupt for accepting that, rather then a compeating power who's democratic.
I think bombing was wrong tho. She should've tried to get the cauncill to listen or tried to ally with the anti-war protests. I mean she'd be killed by Palpetine probably asap, but it would've been the right action and the best way to still stop the grand plan.
@@catsaresocute650 truuue. They were more or less fighting to maintain therepublic status quo, no different from the Empire a few years later conquering worlds.
"I did it. Because I've come to realize what many people in the Republic have come to realize. That the Jedi are the ones responsible for this war. That we've so lost our way that we have become villains in this conflict. That we are the ones that should be put on trial. All of us! And my attack on the Temple was an attack on what the Jedi have become. An army fighting for the dark side. Fallen from the light that we once held so dear. This Republic is failing! It's only a matter of time." "Barriss Offee was wrong about a lot of things. She let her anger cloud her judgement and she tried to justify her actions without considering their wider effects. She was afraid of the war and she didn't trust people she should've listened to. But she had a point about the Republic and the Jedi. There was something wrong with them, and we were too locked into our traditions to see what it was. Barriss should've done something else. She shouldn't have killed anyone, and she definitely shouldn't have framed me for it, but if we'd listened to her, really listened, we might have been able to stop Palpatine before he took power." Edit: I commented before actually watching. I didn't think he'd actually reference both quotes.
How, in the flying fucking shit, are the Jedi even vaguely close to being responsible for the Clone Wars, bar some tortured, asisne logic of 'well, Dooku was a Jedi, so, yeah, there!', exactly? Was Bariss high on crack?
@@papapalps2415 because they should have stayed out of it. Them fighting in the clone wars is what helped the dark side rise and weekend their connections to the force
@@05goode Except they couldn't have stayed out of it, because that isn't the way it fucking works. Abstaining wouldn't have changed dick or shit in the grand scheme of things.
honestly liked barriss here arc was like one of the best, the way she went from a caring gentle person to a hard and betraying friend! when it comes to the Ashoka show, I literally can not wait to see what they'll do to make her character even better! I wonder if they'll do flashbacks along with barriss meeting ashoka later on when there both adults just like Ashoka did in rebels when she fought darth vader in the sith temple.
Imagine if Barris was with the 501st and Pong Krell on Umbara and she was there when the 501st and 212th killed each other then we see her asking the same question Fives did what's the purpose of fighting in the war.
Hated is one way of putting it, seeing as she bombed the Temple and tried to get her best friend arrested for it. I do wonder what happened to her in New Canon. Maybe she joined the Inquisitorous?
new canon is pointless, think logically, if Disney is going to keep the sequels there is no hope for SW so if you wanna love the old stories stick with legends, make that your canon.... if we accept new canon it ends with luke as a goat sucking coward and attempted nephew killer.... Han is a deadbeat dad who get's ganked out of nowhere it's a timeline where as soon as the alliance defeated the emperor, blew up DS2 and defeated the empire was counter attacked the next day? and the seeds of the first order was sewn then and there.... hell further back than even that, during the purges the hero of fallen order forget his name found osus or ilum a jedi world overrun by imperials carving out a trench?? that planet ends up being starkiller base so first order's seeds were sewn as far back as the early empire..... we have to accept that somehow the empire sunk the money into 3 massive superweapon projects, the death star the ultimate weapon later blown up then a second one with emphasis on the superlaser being prioritized and converting a planet over decades to a superweapon?? i say one thing to all that RIDICULOUSNESS!! I'm not trying to be an ass, but we need to decide for ourselves what we accept as canon, when you have this horrible split where one side has the gall to cherry pick elements and ruin em vs someting that was carefully crafted over decades what do you choose?? Disney tossed old canon out to try and blank slate their story but it didn't work for em cus what they replaced the superior stories with was just bad.....insulting and trashy but still discard what i said or accept, it's your choice I choose legends as true canon
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage Just Disney doing what Disney does. Put their brand on everything. I'm just glad that Kathleen Kennedy is getting the boot (unless she already has, I'm not sure). I just hope the next President of Star Wars actually cares about the fanbase and doesn't do just what supports their ideals.
@@Mobysimo New Canon-and you like it? People in the West must have been eating shit for so long that they love it now! I have never ever in my life seen a worthless, stupider and more boring and woke story than the entire new trilogy of star wars-and heck I didn't even like the old trilogy so much, but after seeing these ,,special" new movies I have grown to love the old trilogy.....
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I'm actually hoping we see her again, though I also believe it's unlikely. Her attitude of "Jedi suck" could be used by Vader to recruit her to be an Inquisitor. Having a familiar face turn up as an antagonist in Ahsoka's series might be interesting, either as flashbacks or Barriss surviving the Empire..
Vader would hate Barriss for many reasons. He might have allowed her to join the Inquisitors, if Sidious ordered him so, but he would try to undermine her and, eventually, kill her.
Because the writers needed a scapegoat to be the villain for Ahsoka's arc and it needed to be someone she trusted and Barriss was the only friend they had given her. :P
To be fair, the Jedi we’re never prepared for the war. They simply kept going on as business as usual after Naboo until Genosis. The generation of Jedi in the prequel triology had grown up in peace, not war and hardship!
@@AntonesPap Agreed. The Jedi only had Two members (general Kota and Oppra Francis) who had any battle experience. Unfortunately they’re few and far between. The rest of the Order never mentally prepared for the war.
@@underworldguardian704 Thank you for mentioning Rahm Kota & Oppo Rancisis. Despite their flaws, I don't blame the Jedi for everything. Who would have thought I would one day wish Merry Christmas to an Underworld Guardian. 🙂🎄
The Medstar Duology are, quite possibly, my favourites from the (non-canon) Clone Wars books. The books cemented Barris as one of my favourite Jedi as well
Frankly I always thought Filoni handled Bariss clumsily with the whole temple bombing. It just felt more like a contrived way to have Ahsoka leave the Jedi and survive Order 66.
I can agree to an extent since we didn't see bariss' dissolutionment over the course of the clone wars like we did in legends, it would've meant so much more and felt earned rather than have it thrown in over the course of a couple eps. I also wanna say respect for acc critiquing filoni since very few fans acc do I've found and instead they act like children and can't accept differing opinions. I've never understood this belief of him being "the messiah" of star wars, he's been far too inconsistent with his projects in my eyes and I feel they never reach their potential. Rebels is the most egregious example as its honestly held up by fan favourite characters rather than the main cast created for the project. Seriously take away the fan favourites and all u got is kanan and hera and they're not enough to save it which is a shame cos the concept was brilliant. I just don't get why he couldn't let it stand on its own 2 feet or why he was forcing a tonal tug of war between being for kids and adults. TCW didn't have this issue after midway thru season 3 so why make it one for rebels where ur including characters that are mainly gonna be followed and loved by the older fans far more than the children they're catering towards. Only reason I even started watching it was literally because I saw all these believed characters and legends elements in the S2 trailer. Even TCW, which for the most part I love and is filonis best project, has some issues even beyond its first 3 childish seasons and even in its final season. He's not perfect and I've acc been subsequently disappointed with what he's been involved with except the mandalorian and that's not even "his" show really, it's primarily written by Jon Favreau. Sorry for the rant, it's just refreshing to see someone acc have the balls to say something, especially a take like urs which I've never acc heard before from a fan
I’m surprised you didn’t mention on how the one time Luminara thought Bariss has died at one point yet rather then try to see if she’s still alive she wasted no time leaving her to die and it took Anakin to convince her to look for their padawans m. Mostly because on how likely Bariss’s own master also took part of her eventual disillusionment
I always thought this was a pivital episode. You've done a nice job showing me it was even more important than I realized by showing me the deeper context. I love the Clone Wars and consider it Lucas' best story. I'm loving these videos.
...OK, we really shouldn't try to fuse TCW 2008 a bit too much with Legends lore. So many Multiversal inconsistencies... I sure hope we see Barriss again in Jedi: Fallen Order 2, regardless on whether or not she's an Inquisitor, a regretful exile, or even some tortured catatonic soul. Respawn Entertainment, please make us tear up and feel sorry with this in mind. Oh, and the Medstar duology better be part of the Essential Legends Collection.
As a Sith, how do you destroy your greatest archenemies, the Republic and the Jedi? Bring out their inner darkness and turn what makes them what they are against them as well as each other. The Republic was well corrupted by the Sith working from the shadows, but are the Jedi not immune to pity?
Whatever her beef was, she was wrong for doing Ashoka like that. One of the few people she could call a friend and she left her as a scape goat. Not even showing remorse for it.
I heard it asserted ad nauseam that the Jedi had the choice to fight or to not fight. The machinations of the Sith created a veritable Hobson’s Choice for the Jedi when the war started.
Why show Ima-Gun Di? If anyone in the Clone Wars was innocent and a good Jedi it was him? He had as much faith as the Twi-Leks and felt betrayed when The republic seemingly abandoned them, and then he sacrificed his own life to protect them?
Man, how much I miss the old pre Disney star wars. The stories had much more thoughts and creativity put into them and they didnt hesitate to explore the darker sides of star wars back then.
Moral relativism & Situation Ethics became 2 major tragic flaws that caused the Jedi Order to fall (as did the Galactic Republic). The Ends NEVER justify the MEANS & innocents ALWAYS suffer because of it (same as in the Real World)…
This game me a whole new understanding of the clone wars. I really enjoyed the deep dive into the mindset of Jedi’s becoming generals instead of Jedi. 100%. Love you’re content 🖤
I always liked Barris in TCW because she and her master were pretty much the only sane, level-headed people in every episode they were in. That obviously changed during the arc of the bombing, but that only made her more interesting.
Barres became too emotional with the suffering and began to look for someone to blame for it. By her doing that she lost her way and became corrupted!!!
I actually liked this arc. Sure, it showed a good character turn evil, but that was the point: to show that even the most honorable can fall from grace. Though, in Legends, it does create a contradiction/continuity error/retcon (whatever you want to call it), because, prior to the arc, it was established that Barriss was killed when Order 66 was issued during the Battle of Felucia, Barriss also held the rank of Jedi Knight at this point. Her turning traitor as a Padawan results in some confusion. Also... Palpatine: Barriss' crimes went just according to my plans. Mas Amadda: But you didn't plan thi- Palpatine: Did I stutter?
She could have just left the Jedi order instead of taking the lives of her fellow Jedi ,and she lost her damn mind death shouldn't breed death she went to far.
We can only hope that she returns for The Bad Batch season 2 to figure out what exactly happened to her after Order 66, because Dave Filoni basically confirmed she did not become an Inquisitor
I know there's evidence to contradict it but my headcanon is the Seventh Sister is Barriss considering that we don't know what happened to Barriss after the war and the inquisitors are former Jedi it's not a long shot to say Barriss was corrupted and turned into a inquisitor.
While I understand the sentiment of wanting Barriss to be an Inquisitior her being the 7th is just such a terrible way to end her story, not to mention there's no possible way the 7th Sister is Barriss for the following reasons. 1. Neither Ahsoka or 7th Sister ever reference a past relationship, and when Barriss became such a huge part of Ahsokas development that would not be something they would forget to mention 2. 7th Sister and Barriss have entirely different Tattoos 3. Barriss is leagues above all the Inquisitiors we've seen so far including the 7th Sister, even angry Anakin has trouble with her. 4. She is killed off in such an abrupt way by a duo of characters who've had nothing to do with her while Ahsoka is one flight of stairs away and there are two other Inquisitiors who would be just as effective in this scene 5. Significantly different voice actress
The issue with government and politics is that if one gets too involved with either, they lose sight of their own ideals and morals. Their ideals and morals are then replaced with the government or politics one is attached to. This is one of the reasons why the Jedi Order fell so far.
@@kronoscamron7412 It is a lie and nothing more. Humans are such chaotic creatures that peace can never truly be achieved. Peace is just like perfection, it is just a word people made up and cannot really exist.
@@papapalps2415 That joke makes absolutely no sense to me because I don't use reddit. If you're going to make a joke, try to actually make it to where it will undoubtedly apply to who you are joking with. Heck, I'm hardly on any social media platforms. I only use two social media platforms and that includes this one.
@@papapalps2415 Also, if you really think that my comment on humanity and peace or my original comment are really edgy, then you wouldn't be able to take the worst parts of my life.
personal thoughts: Barris Offee was no traitor and died during the Battle of Felusia with Ayla Secura, they did Cannon Barris wrong! now reality: i hate what they did to Barris, but she is right. the Jedi shouldn't have gotten involved
They had a choice to abstain…the clones would have been better off being led by their own and the Jedi could have taken on the role of Civil Affairs and peacekeepers protecting non-combatants
No, they didn't. Abstaining was a choice in the same way refusing to fight on an active war zone is a choice. Too little too fucking late. If the Jedi had refused, they likely would have come out of it better, yes, but they were still completely boned. Anakin wouldn't have ever gone along with that, for one. It would have been a Revan/Mandalorian Wars situation all over again, hilariously. And for two, the Republic would have still turned into the Empire, if not even FASTER then in reality, because Palpatine wouldn't have needed to worry about Jedi looking over his shoulders. The propaganda needed to turn everybody against the Jedi and justify everything would have virtually wrote itself.
@@papapalps2415 Exactly. The Jedi were pretty much caught between a rock and a hard place. If they abstained from the war it would have possibly been even more disastrous. Recruited officers held an even lower opinion of the Clone troopers than even some of the worst Jedi and often held fewer qualms about resorting to drastic tactics. Tarkin being a prime example of this. And meanwhile the Jedi would be blamed for inaction and still be wiped out. Being branded as traitors and enemies of the Republic.
I’m not sure about that anymore. Lately when it comes to modern issues in American politics, people seem to be critical of anyone who is neutral, saying that by not picking a side you are basically supporting the establishment. It’s also questionable how long one’s neutrality will last if they are attacked by a larger power. Citizens can fall to fear and likely will pressure their governments to ally with larger powers. After all, the Mandalorian Resistance couldn’t liberate Mandalore by themselves during the Clone Wars and during the Galactic Civil War. They inevitably had to ally with larger powers like the Galactic Republic and the Rebel Alliance.
@@EdaugEthanbYT Okay, neutral worlds may have clean hands as the Republic and Separatist militaries tore each other apart. But as I point out, neutrality has its own cons. Mandalore is just the most notable example of people trying to fill the power vacuum as the war raged on. Now given how the Republic left security mostly to its members instead of having a unified military, some planets will handle rogues such as pirates and criminal gangs better than others. Mandalore by the time of the Clone Wars clearly was in the latter category. You could say the neutral worlds basically showed what a post-war CIS would look like if they won, minus the government. Worlds loosely connected with money being what makes everything go round and round. Except unlike a post-war CIS there is no national army, even if it is one owned by the corporations. Planets would have to depend on alliances that other worlds may or may not fulfill. If conflict isn't a problem, supplies would be. Again, Mandalore serves as this example. Neutrality may be the moral choice in regards to the war, but the citizens may start questioning this as soon as they start suffering from isolation if their planet doesn't have good allies.
It dose make me wonder how Barrissn viewed Ahsoka, did she think that she was jus like the other Jedi or did she actually have regrets about framing her for the crime. Also I wonder if Luminara was one of the reasons why Barriss turned? After all she was pretty strict on the whole no emotion thing so I doubt that she would have been someone she could talk to about her problems. Heck Ahsoka might have been the only person who she actually viewed as a friend.
It’s kind of funny how star wars has evolved to reflect the realities of the real world over the years. Remember when Jedi were the ultimate paragon warriors? The good guys? It’s kind of incredible how something so black and white has evolved into grey. And there are still people that say star wars is for kids.
She also Hated the Clone Wars. She had not been trained properly as a Jedi Consular or Jedi Knight. I Sir Gabriel Ivan Collado along with RUclipsr send this Urgent Message about the Jedi, but first about that traitor Barriss there is something to be judged about the Jedi, but it's not their roles as War Great Mongers in the Clone Wars using Action to get the Separatist Destroyed, along with whether the Republic is failing but they're not, Bargaining barely works, Diplomacy failed the Republic years ago, just like how Bargaining barely worked for America, Puerto Rico, South Korea, North Korea, China in the Korean War, but Diplomacy completely failed, the Bargaining only resulted in an Armstice stopping the War but not ending it, making a Unjust Peace temporarily truce but not permanent, as we like to say a Just War is Better than a Unjust Peace, but eventually America, Puerto Rico, South Korea, will fight North Korea plus China again the Korean War 2 we'll be ready. But anyway point is that it is only the Damned Regular Jedi rules that are to be Judged, there is this great RUclipsr named the Film Theorist in this video the Uncomfortable Truth about the Jedi we both know the Regular Jedi are Brainwashed. Ahoska did not mentor her right, Luminara did not trained her properly. Barriss Offee was such a Puny Dumb Traitorous Annoying Bitch that failed to see the Distinction, sometime after she got arrested she mostly died either during Order 66, or Barriss Died way After Order 66. At 10:34 of the Video I was kinda like no They are So Wrong. We are both thinking the same idea, the Regular Jedi are Brainwashed, Dishonest, Dishonorable Warriors, but the Sith are NOT Good At all Either, the regular Jedi Order we're dishonorable, the Sith too, and I have Great Ideal Explanation for this, 1 The Jedi are Brainwashed to have no emotions except Serenity, calmness, and happiness, they think they make them strong but they're wrong, sometimes Anger is needed, after Darth Maul stabbed his Master Qui Gon Jinn it had helped Obi Wan get Maul beaten by using Anger, along with help Anakin get Darth Tyranus killed, it has even helped The HULK before many times. 2 Yoda in Star Wars 3 ROTS said not to care about those who have died never to mourn nor miss them but they mourned Qui Gon by giving him a funeral that's totally Terrible. 3 They take children at toddler age separate them from their parents either never let them see each other again or let them see each other again but in a long time not even to text or send a message, that's even more cold blooded than Dr Halsey taking kids at pre teen age to their facilities training them to be Spartans then give them their Serums at 14 worse of all their parents don't even know their children have been taken, they clone their child lie to the parents letting them think they got their original children but they didn't, their original children are still in thir custody. 4 Jedi don't use Nightsorcerers of Dathomir Trinkets, nor Use Sith Trinkets no matter how great knowledge they have, but they use Jedi Trinket Holocrons for info, they think that's all the knowledge they need to learn between Jedi Holocrons, Books, Computers, but they're wrong sometimes need other sources of Intel, and that's what Number 5 turns out to be truly helpfully Hopeful. Number 5 Jedi think Lightside of the Force own abilities are more powerful than the Darkside, that should never use anything related to the Darkside except Skills something Mace Windu did when fighting on Geonosis, the Clone Wars, and against Palpatine as Darth Sidious it comes with being a Purple Lightsaber wielder using both Lightside and Darkside Fighting physical Melee Lightsaber Skills, but everything else in the Darkside other than Skills are Forbidden, such as Knowledge, Power Ehancement Abilities, but I say it doesn't matter what side of the Force those knowledge and Abilities are from, it only matters how the person uses them, depending on who they are, for what reason they use it for, the Regular Jedi Order didn't see like that, they believed only using happiness calmness Serenity, Only use Jedi Holocrons, and only use Lightsiders Force Abilities are more powerful than Darksiders Force Abilities but they're Wrong, both sides of the Force are Powerful, Repulse, Mind Trick, Lightning are needed, Plo Coon used Lightning called Electrical judgement, Luke Skywalker used Green Emerald Lightning, pyrokinesis, healing power, control of water, Metamorphosis are needed, (Metamorphosis power to shape-shift into anyone, anyspecies, and any animals even Monstrous types even creatures that are extinct, Winged Goddess the Daughter along with Gargoyle the Son used Metamorphosis) So really both Factions of the Force are Powerful at the same level, even Sith Lord Count Dooku that became Darth Tyranus didn't fully embrace the Darkside that's why he was never deformed nor did he have Sith Eyes, he still used some Abilities of the Lightside of the Force, same goes out for Kylo Ren. So the True Force Wielders Warriors that are honorably Wisely Powerful are the Grey Order Jedi, the ones that use White lightsabers starting with Ahsoka Tano, Gold Lightsabers wielders such as Rey, Green Lightsabers true Excellent Jedi Grey Consulars like Luke Skywalker, Purple Lightsabers wielders, even Darksabers such as the Great Tarre Vizsla the first half Jedi Half Mandalorian Warrior creator of the Darksaber, which by the way Moff Gideon in Mandalorian don't deserve that saber, only the Mandalorians, Nightsisters like Merrin, also Grey Excellent Jedi Deserve the Darksaber, should probably make More Black sabers. But anyway the True Non Brainwashed Great Emotional Enhanced Powerful gifted Force User SuperHeroes are the Grey Order Jedi.
While I do see Barriss points and how right some of them are, I personally can't agree with them entirely and I definitely can't agree her actions, especially with what it did to Ahsoka. I will always be loyal to the Republic, The Jedi Order, and the Clones, but much like Rex, as you explain over two weeks ago in another video, my loyalty doesn't make me stupid and someone who blindly follows orders and sees them as absolute, I can see that the Republic has problems too it, but again like Rex and many others, I'm still loyal to its ideals, the ideals of justice and stability. And like Rex, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Plo Koon, Padme, Bail, Mon Mothma, Senator Tills, Senator Chuchi, and many other good Clones, Jedi, and Loyalists, I will fight for the true Republic, its ideals of goodness I believe in, even if it means sometimes disobeying an order the very system I support gives me, when I know it is the wrong order.
Barriss’ actions are truly wrong, but she did see how far The Republic and Jedi fell from grace. I believe the ideals of The Republic and Separatist Alliance both have their merits: The Republic stands primarily for justice and peace, where the C.I.S. supports more independence and decentralization. Although a double-edged sword, it is more difficult for an authoritarian leader to seize absolute power (hence why Palpatine wanted The Republic to win the Clone Wars). I may disagree with it’s laissez-faire aspects, but the ideals of self-determination are why I would align with the Separatists. People like Tofen Vane, Mina Bonteri, and even Alto Stratus wanted the best for their worlds. Remove the Sith, and we may have seen the C.I.S. and The Republic coexist.
@@danmorseson627 Both sides do have good points to them, which is why many were loyal to their side. You know we kind of got the Republic and Separatists co-exists since the Rebellion Alliance is made up of both Republic and Separatists loyalists alike, who have managed to put aside their differences for the most part to stop their common enemy that is the Empire. So I guess that's one good point we can give that evil horrible Empire, its threat is what united all the good people on both sides together to try and make things better.
@@zexalbrony4799 The true ideals of both Republic and Separatist could both coexist peacefully, I'd say the Republic had the moral high ground in the war over the Separatist because the GAR Military was far more honorable and moral..
@@cancelanime1507 True. Although, while I'd say the Republic had the moral high ground when it came to the military, I think the Separatists might have had the moral high ground when it came to their Senate.
Thabks for your analysis of Barriss Offee. Her story is a good example of a well developed villain arc. She bombed the Jedi Temple and framed Ahsoka Tano because of the suffering the war was causing civilians and Clone troopers. Its good that the Tales of the Empire shorts gave her a redemption arc.
I always loved Barris as a character. She saw through the lies of the jedi. The jedi deserved it, and I killed them. Every single one of them. Not just the men, but the women, and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I hate them!
I really loved the plot twist of Barriss being the mastermind of the bombing... but the part with the Order turning on Ahsoka ruined the story arc for me... Anakin and Ahsoka was called back to the Temple because neither of them were present in the temple at the time of the bombing.
Ahsoka was right in her assessment of Barris. She did have a point in what she was saying, about the Jedi and the Republic, but she went about it in the wrong way. She shouldn’t have done what she did, instead she should have found another way. If she had perhaps she could have made the Jedi see what they were becoming and possibly put a stop to it. Instead of lashing out in anger and giving into her hate she should have used her words to sway the Jedi Order into opening their eyes and seeing the truth that she saw. Had she done as a true Jedi would have done and used her words to make them see reason perhaps she could have stopped all the darkness that was to come. This brings up another interesting alternative timeline for a Star Wars What If series, What if Barris Offee had confronted the Jedi Order in an attempt to sway them away from the war?
What, exactly, do you think Bariss talking to the Jedi would have done? Even if you ignore her being a literal terrorist, then what? There is no 'talking the Jedi out of the war'. That's childish fanfiction-levels of fantasy. By the time of the start of the war it was far too late. They couldn't have backed away realistically even if they wanted to. The Jedi were in a complete Kobayashi Maru. There was no winning play.
I loved that whole story arc, but one thing about it bugs me...where was Luminara during Barriss' fall? Maybe I'm forgetting something, but she must have seen some of the despair that led to the fall of her padawan.
So how responsible would one say the clone troopers are for the Rise of the Empire. Granted, even in Canon it is likely the chips wear off so clones that are part of the Empire after the Bad Batch series are likely members of their own free will, but can a person make a fair choice depending on how they were raised? Clones spent their entire childhoods being raised to serve the Republic and were thus also taught propaganda about the Republic. Sure, a few of them ended up deserting over the politics of the war and realizing that few ever gave a damn about clone lives. However most of these deserters are special forces who have different levels of independence programmed into their brains and in Cut Lawquane’s case, he was all on his own after losing his entire unit, not getting a rescue like other clones. Can you really do something that most people think is the right thing if you have been taught otherwise? And unlike the Jedi, the clones literally owe their existence to the Galactic Republic which is ordering for their creation. They wouldn’t even be alive if it wasn’t for the Republic. It really is a tough situation and this may be an unpopular opinion given that clones have demonstrated free will, but I personally can’t hold most if not all clone troopers responsible for the Rise of the Empire. Compared to Nazis and other armies that could be called evil, clones have an extremely unusual and unique upbringing. Their literal parents are the state.
@@ashnagog8534 Yeah, but fans might try to say that the stormtroopers of the Empire and more so of the First Order also go through mass indoctrination. And as some Star Wars theorists like Geetsly point out, clone troopers aren't even aware they are slaves. And unlike regular slaves when Order 66 came down, nobody was pointing a whip, sword, or gun at them. They just got and order and followed it. I am in the camp that sees the majority of clone troopers as good guys, but I feel that fans that prefer Order 66 in Legends versus the Order 66 with chips in Canon would be making these arguments.
The Jedi Order had a right to defend the Republic and it’s citizens against the Sith and their followers, but not a war against its political rivals to the Republic.
It’s pretty weird that after all these years and the fact that we’ve now had two masked female inquisitors(one of them even being the same species), we still have no idea what happened to Barriss at all.
The Jedi did have a choice however… Follow the Jedi Council of the Mandalorian War. As a whole, sit out of the order. There will be many who will fight. But they did have a choice.
@@dar-nakkallig Its a choice in the same way refusing to fight whilst in the middle of a war zone is a choice. Technically speaking I suppose it is, but you are being disingenuous if you think its actually even vaguely viable.
Yeah well, maybe if you didn't build your temple on a dark side nexus, you would have been able to sense the dark presence and been able to prevent it all, but here we are!
I strongly disagree with your assertion that the Jedi had zero choice. They chose not to fight in the Mandalorian Wars (Revan and his followers notwithstanding), and it is distinctly possible that both wars could resolve without them. Had they not been blinded by the bloodshed of the Clone Wars, they might have been able to perceive the manipulation of the Sith. The fact that they chose to engage in the war as an exclusive arm of the Republic government, and refuse any responsibility to those who claimed the cause of the CIS, already stands in opposition to their calling. No, the council chose to fight because in large part the First Battle of Geonosis pushed them to commit. The council attempted to claim their decision was made without emotion when they were in truth deeply upset by the battle and the immense losses they had faced there. They were blinded by the Sith, but also failed themselves even when they had the opportunity to make meaningful decisions.
Palpatine when Anakin Interrupts: *Fuck, is he going to make me reprimand him for this? Ugh, please, Dark Side, No!* Bariss: “THE JEDI ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS WAR!” Palpatine: *… let her cook*
You didn’t point it out but her master to fell. Luminara was a zelut who only used the orders rules to explain away her war crimes and completely ignorence of true suffering in the galaxy. Luminara was a psychopath who troted around claiming herself to be a paragon of virtue and one of the pillars of the order. when in reality she was a piss poor Jedi, with bad judgment and even worse morals.
The Jedi could have just sent Yoda and Mace Windu or just send most of the council to capture Dooku and Palpatine’s plan would get wrecked. Maybe capture Grevious too, but that’s all! The rest of the Separatists would fall apart without their public leadership and maybe Dooku would expose Palpatine. Just capture two very powerful individuals to end the war, and there was ample opportunity for a group of Jedi to capture either during the war
Of course! All you need to do to win is, just, like, win, brah. If you want to kill the president, you just, gotta, like, shoot him. If you want to bring world peace, you just gotta do it, like, bro. Fucking stop. Jesus Christ.
Fn A on this vid. What is talked about here points out a few things. 1) the mastermind genius of palpatine. 2)( although not perfect) the example of kenobi, "the negotiator". 3) Barriss was wrong for how she went about it yes. And this may sound like a defense in her case but again pointing to sidious' genius. War does thing to people, most are never the same again. Even if her talking to the counsel and going threw the ranks, she is more than Likely, dismissed. Anyone at work that has a low level position gets crapped on but knows better ways of doing things knows the feeling of having answers but without a position of power how hopeless it feels and often leads to disgruntled employee and one that quits making a scene. And most importantly her age. In that youth and passion. all these things build up.
Turning children into soldiers is a bad idea, turning children into commanders is even worse because everyone suffers.
Ancient aristocratic systems: 👀
Ender's Game: Yeah, about that...
the british military is looking around very awkwardly.
@@baltofarlander2618
Tbf, Ender is so permanently broken by the end of the book that he literally can’t accept himself being happy
@@warlordofbritannia yeah, but that KIND OF changes in later books when he "redeems" himself.
Love how Palpatine’s plans progresses constantly, even when he’s literally doing nothing at the moment, showing how the war brought utter disarray for the galaxy to be brought into his own strings.
yeah, the whole time he was likely thinking "WOW, they're really doing my job for me."
Yep, Palpatine really set up an automatic way of messing with the galaxy
Basically
Palpatine seeing Jedi turning to the dark side without him being involved or targeted “(erkal voice) did I do that?”
It shows how corrupt and failing the republic had become. It didn’t need a lot to change it it just needed pushes here and there.
Those medstar books deserve way more attention they were so good. Even in scifi fantasy combat medics are the real heroes. Wish Star Wars had a version of MASH in space.
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!
Do u remember the droid I5 hes lor pravans droid from the book shadow hunter with darth maul
Or Hacksaw Ridge
Facts those books are high up in the eu for me
*Insert MASH theme here.*
Think there is another factor to consider to Barriss's point of view, and honestly got Krell and some other jedi to thank. During the war there were a number of jedi masters who viewed the clones as disposable, not much better than droids. This wasn't the case for all of them, but there were still a number of them that did so to a degree. Barriss's own master might actually be among this group, she doesn't show the same compassion for the clones as say Kenobi and Anakin. But like Mundi she was considered the atypical jedi, distant and devote to their teachings and their code. Hell during the second invasion of Geonosis her master was willing to write her off as dead when Barriss and Ashoka managed to destroy the factory. These type of jedi didn't always connect with the clones under their command, or the very least they didn't seem to show the same care to them as to another jedi or an actual citizen of the Republic. And since the clones weren't citizens, it's fairly obvious they didn't get the same kind of respect or even rights as most would. Barriss would see this play out far more often behind the frontlines and near triage centers and such. Not only seeing jedi masters acting more like generals but viewing clones as mere numbers then actual living breathing sentient beings. Again, this isn't all of the jedi doing this, but suffice to say after years of fighting there may be more starting to trend to this.
Well said
We don't see any jedi acting like that. The only material that presented this angel were Karen Traviss's books and she was notorious for having a hate bone for jedi and love bone for the military macho adjacent stuff (clones, mandalorians).
Luminara didnt write off Barriss. She was merely calmer than Anakin who was panicking and losing his temper. Its a contrast to showcase Anakin's inability to let go and foreshadow his falling Revenge
Most Jedi were fairly uncaring about the clones. Yes they wouldn't needlessly allow them to die but most wouldn't risk an entire mission to save a few clones, whilst Anakin always would. Anakin was extremely uncommon in that respect. Kenobi did care a lot about them but not to the same extent, where he'd always look out for them but not risk everything. Shaak Ti is quite caring toward them, challenging the Kaminoans on their tactics and treatment of the clones. Yoda again cared for the clones as he would any other life form, especially in the 1st season where he gave that beautiful speech about how they're all different in the force even though they look the same, but he wouldn't have allowed it to cloud his judgement.
Then you have Jedi like Ki Adi Mundi and Quinlan Vos who saw them as nothing more than organic droids. And obviously Krell who actively tried to get as many clones killed as possible.
Most Jedi fell in the middle of the two extremes, not disliking the clones but also not overly caring about them beyond the typical attachment of being brothers in war. Anakin saw them as no less valuable than himself, and wouldn't ask them to do anything he wouldn't do himself. This is probably why the 501st was such a good unit, as the bond between the general and his men was very close, with mutual respect and actually liking each other.
@@james501001 I know that what you are saying is the *Intention* of that episode, but the actual writing comes off as "I dont care if Barriss dies, because if she does thats what the force wants" or at least I found thats what it said to me, my interpretation is that Anakin and Luminara in that episode where more like two extreame stances where one cares way too much and the other too little, while the padawans sat in a much better position of being in between the two but a reflection of their masters still
@@charlielynch3916 Honestly, I would argue that the Jedi you talked about at first did things right. In a military operation, risking an entire mission to save a few soldiers is a great way of getting a lot more soldiers killed, both in the short term and the long term. They knew the risks, and while there is a very strong argument to be made that the clones didn't have a choice, most of them seemed okay with dying if they had to. Not to say that you shouldn't try to save them if reasonably possible, just that there are times when sacrifices have to be made.
Now, if you were arguing that the Jedi could rely on Force plot armor (which is almost certainly an actual thing in-universe, though I doubt many people realize it) and therefore when they do the thing which in that moment is the right thing, the expected long-term consequences of those decisions would never come about, I could see where you're coming from, though I don't think that's quite how it works.
Or you could be talking about how most Jedi didn't forge the same connections with their troops that Anakin did, or have the wisdom to see the same value in them as Yoda and Plo Koon did, much less express it, and that is the reason why they acted the way that they did. If so, that would be a major flaw, and one that the clones could sense and which would make Order 66 a lot easier for them.
My two cents on Barriss's fate: unfortunately, she likely was simply handed over to the Coruscant Guard, taken round back, and shot. It's something of a cop-out for her character, but it's the one that makes the most sense in-universe. Additionally, Sidious likely used her as propaganda; "This Jedi bombed a Republic military base (the Temple); can we truly trust them?" How sadly ironic that her actions, however wrong they were, were twisted into a catalyst for the very thing they were committed in valid opposition to.
My guess is she didn't get killed because filoni said he has plans with her for the future
@@zikkimeister215 yep I have a feeling she pops up in the Ashoka series
@@zikkimeister215 Really? If so, that’s cool. Cause I heard that her fate was that she went to jail, was rehabilitated, and came back just in time to be killed during Order 66. Which I think is dumb!
@Mythic Wow...that would be siiiick. If done right.
I'd imagine Sidious would intervene and try to corrupt her. Why waste a perfectly good dark jedi?
I love how Barriss was a nurse for the clones during the war. She even acted like an older sister towards them in their time of need which was so nice and cool. Great character detail.
The irony is that by Barriss doing what she did, Ahsoka ended up becoming more of a badass and a much wiser character.
In a way, Barriss saved Ahsoka and her choice to leave was the smartest move. While I do not agree with Barriss' actions, she did have a point.
All experiences shape us for better or for worse, even the darkest and most painful events can make u strong if u allow urself to grow in a productive way. Ahsoka did that throught TCW
It's resonable to blame the Jedi for fighting the clone wars, I think.
The Jedi wear peaceceepers of the Galaxy, not the Republics military.
The seperatist posed no, zero threat to the Galaxy. Only to the power of the Glactic Senate/Republic.
Therefore fighting them, insted of working to create a peacefull soulution, probably including the break-away form the republic, was abandoning there creed.
That means that then from first entry in the war, except the direct self-defence of order members and senators, it's a war they aren't fighting reluctendly, but activly for no good reason.
The observation of the death/suffering of that many living beings was entirly without reason and should've radicalised anyone to say the Republic is corrupt for accepting that, rather then a compeating power who's democratic.
I think bombing was wrong tho. She should've tried to get the cauncill to listen or tried to ally with the anti-war protests. I mean she'd be killed by Palpetine probably asap, but it would've been the right action and the best way to still stop the grand plan.
@@catsaresocute650 truuue. They were more or less fighting to maintain therepublic status quo, no different from the Empire a few years later conquering worlds.
…IN SPITE OF & not BECAUSE OF. Bariss Offee was a COWARD!
"I did it. Because I've come to realize what many people in the Republic have come to realize. That the Jedi are the ones responsible for this war. That we've so lost our way that we have become villains in this conflict. That we are the ones that should be put on trial. All of us! And my attack on the Temple was an attack on what the Jedi have become. An army fighting for the dark side. Fallen from the light that we once held so dear. This Republic is failing! It's only a matter of time."
"Barriss Offee was wrong about a lot of things. She let her anger cloud her judgement and she tried to justify her actions without considering their wider effects. She was afraid of the war and she didn't trust people she should've listened to. But she had a point about the Republic and the Jedi. There was something wrong with them, and we were too locked into our traditions to see what it was. Barriss should've done something else. She shouldn't have killed anyone, and she definitely shouldn't have framed me for it, but if we'd listened to her, really listened, we might have been able to stop Palpatine before he took power."
Edit: I commented before actually watching. I didn't think he'd actually reference both quotes.
Yep, Bariss shouldn't have killed those innocent and good people, but her thoughts on the War were 100% justified
@@thalmoragent9344 Nah, not 100%. About 50% at best. There were a lot of things she got right, but a lot of things she got wrong.
How, in the flying fucking shit, are the Jedi even vaguely close to being responsible for the Clone Wars, bar some tortured, asisne logic of 'well, Dooku was a Jedi, so, yeah, there!', exactly? Was Bariss high on crack?
@@papapalps2415 because they should have stayed out of it. Them fighting in the clone wars is what helped the dark side rise and weekend their connections to the force
@@05goode Except they couldn't have stayed out of it, because that isn't the way it fucking works. Abstaining wouldn't have changed dick or shit in the grand scheme of things.
I loved her as a kid. So many great moments with her from both Tartakovsky's era and the clone wars era🙁
honestly liked barriss here arc was like one of the best, the way she went from a caring gentle person to a hard and betraying friend! when it comes to the Ashoka show, I literally can not wait to see what they'll do to make her character even better! I wonder if they'll do flashbacks along with barriss meeting ashoka later on when there both adults just like Ashoka did in rebels when she fought darth vader in the sith temple.
Yes, Barriss was precisely like that. Caring person... THEN VILLAIN!
@Alin Senju i have grammarly lol
Imagine if Barris was with the 501st and Pong Krell on Umbara and she was there when the 501st and 212th killed each other then we see her asking the same question Fives did what's the purpose of fighting in the war.
Oh she's there but in a star fighter leading a assault on a fleet over umabra she's is vital to the success
@@benleuchtman9519 It still would have been interesting to see Barris on the ground with the troops.
@@xdj2a2 sure
I feel like she woulda murked pong Krell. Hell Anakin Def would've if he witnessed what had happen.
@@youtubecensored9957 Right!!!
It bothers me that they never did more with the character!
It bothers me that she betrayed her bff...
@@amanzeihedioha it grounds Star Wars in realisim a bit more
Tales of the Jedi
I always loved that image of Barris healing that clone trooper. I don't know why but it has always stuck with me
Jedi before the war: Hurray here come the jedi peacekeepers.
Jedi during the war:
-- CAUTION --
JEDI REPUBLIC PEACEKEEPERS
Stormtroopers after the war: lots of dead Jedi, all in a days work
The Republic: I am the Empire!
The Jedi Order: Not yet!
The Republic: It's treason, then.
Hated is one way of putting it, seeing as she bombed the Temple and tried to get her best friend arrested for it.
I do wonder what happened to her in New Canon. Maybe she joined the Inquisitorous?
new canon is pointless, think logically, if Disney is going to keep the sequels there is no hope for SW so if you wanna love the old stories stick with legends, make that your canon....
if we accept new canon it ends with luke as a goat sucking coward and attempted nephew killer....
Han is a deadbeat dad who get's ganked out of nowhere
it's a timeline where as soon as the alliance defeated the emperor, blew up DS2 and defeated the empire was counter attacked the next day? and the seeds of the first order was sewn then and there....
hell further back than even that, during the purges the hero of fallen order forget his name found osus or ilum a jedi world overrun by imperials carving out a trench?? that planet ends up being starkiller base so first order's seeds were sewn as far back as the early empire.....
we have to accept that somehow the empire sunk the money into 3 massive superweapon projects, the death star the ultimate weapon later blown up then a second one with emphasis on the superlaser being prioritized and converting a planet over decades to a superweapon?? i say one thing to all that
RIDICULOUSNESS!!
I'm not trying to be an ass, but we need to decide for ourselves what we accept as canon, when you have this horrible split where one side has the gall to cherry pick elements and ruin em vs someting that was carefully crafted over decades what do you choose?? Disney tossed old canon out to try and blank slate their story but it didn't work for em cus what they replaced the superior stories with was just bad.....insulting and trashy
but still discard what i said or accept, it's your choice I choose legends as true canon
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage Well, I like New Canon, so I'll just enjoy what I'll enjoy thank you
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage Just Disney doing what Disney does. Put their brand on everything. I'm just glad that Kathleen Kennedy is getting the boot (unless she already has, I'm not sure). I just hope the next President of Star Wars actually cares about the fanbase and doesn't do just what supports their ideals.
@@Mobysimo New Canon-and you like it? People in the West must have been eating shit for so long that they love it now! I have never ever in my life seen a worthless, stupider and more boring and woke story than the entire new trilogy of star wars-and heck I didn't even like the old trilogy so much, but after seeing these ,,special" new movies I have grown to love the old trilogy.....
I rhink she was executed
Jedi: "Necessary evil"
Siths: So we're the good guys?
(Vader's NO!!!!!)
“I’ve learned that trust is overrated, the only thing the Jedi council believes in is violence”
*Anakin ignites second lightsaber*
As she ignites red lightsabers.
It called "Aggressive Negotiations".
@@gabrielcarrasco8414 That she stole
Anakin prematurely executes order 66
4:12
Palpatine: "oh, don't you worry about that. Thatll come soon..."
Bariss: "what?"
Palpatine: "what?"
Teacher: What are you laughing at?
Me: Nothing.
My brain: Baris Coffee...
Barriss Coffee beans are picked fresh from the jungles of Columbia, sent to planet USA for processing where additives and other beans are added to make our special blend, packaged and sent to your local supermarkets
remember...with Barriss Coffee "betrayal never smelled so good"
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@@Red_Lanterns_Rage nise to know
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage I see through the lies of Tetley Tea!
I'm actually hoping we see her again, though I also believe it's unlikely.
Her attitude of "Jedi suck" could be used by Vader to recruit her to be an Inquisitor. Having a familiar face turn up as an antagonist in Ahsoka's series might be interesting, either as flashbacks or Barriss surviving the Empire..
Vader would hate Barriss for many reasons.
He might have allowed her to join the Inquisitors, if Sidious ordered him so,
but he would try to undermine her and, eventually, kill her.
It would be interesting to see what happened to her 🤔
I agree on the jedi suck part, but betraying someone who trusts you and murdering innocent people to make a point is a sign of a psychopath.
Even as vader he would still have a soft spot for ahsoka, you see it in rebels and the last season of the clone wars.
@@kronoscamron7412 Barriss isn't right in her rant. If you putitnextto all the stories in clone wars we see she comes of as more delusional
Because the writers needed a scapegoat to be the villain for Ahsoka's arc and it needed to be someone she trusted and Barriss was the only friend they had given her. :P
To be fair, the Jedi we’re never prepared for the war. They simply kept going on as business as usual after Naboo until Genosis. The generation of Jedi in the prequel triology had grown up in peace, not war and hardship!
Anyone who is unprepared for hardship is living on borrowed time.
@@AntonesPap
Agreed. The Jedi only had Two members (general Kota and Oppra Francis) who had any battle experience. Unfortunately they’re few and far between. The rest of the Order never mentally prepared for the war.
Anyone who doesn't fight for peace ultimately doesn't deserve it...
@@underworldguardian704 Thank you for mentioning Rahm Kota & Oppo Rancisis.
Despite their flaws, I don't blame the Jedi for everything.
Who would have thought I would one day wish Merry Christmas to an Underworld Guardian. 🙂🎄
@@jameskosusnik1102 I agree.
Yet, I wonder if we ourselves deserve peace.
Merry Christmas, James. 🎄
The Medstar Duology are, quite possibly, my favourites from the (non-canon) Clone Wars books. The books cemented Barris as one of my favourite Jedi as well
Frankly I always thought Filoni handled Bariss clumsily with the whole temple bombing. It just felt more like a contrived way to have Ahsoka leave the Jedi and survive Order 66.
I can agree to an extent since we didn't see bariss' dissolutionment over the course of the clone wars like we did in legends, it would've meant so much more and felt earned rather than have it thrown in over the course of a couple eps. I also wanna say respect for acc critiquing filoni since very few fans acc do I've found and instead they act like children and can't accept differing opinions. I've never understood this belief of him being "the messiah" of star wars, he's been far too inconsistent with his projects in my eyes and I feel they never reach their potential. Rebels is the most egregious example as its honestly held up by fan favourite characters rather than the main cast created for the project. Seriously take away the fan favourites and all u got is kanan and hera and they're not enough to save it which is a shame cos the concept was brilliant. I just don't get why he couldn't let it stand on its own 2 feet or why he was forcing a tonal tug of war between being for kids and adults. TCW didn't have this issue after midway thru season 3 so why make it one for rebels where ur including characters that are mainly gonna be followed and loved by the older fans far more than the children they're catering towards. Only reason I even started watching it was literally because I saw all these believed characters and legends elements in the S2 trailer. Even TCW, which for the most part I love and is filonis best project, has some issues even beyond its first 3 childish seasons and even in its final season. He's not perfect and I've acc been subsequently disappointed with what he's been involved with except the mandalorian and that's not even "his" show really, it's primarily written by Jon Favreau.
Sorry for the rant, it's just refreshing to see someone acc have the balls to say something, especially a take like urs which I've never acc heard before from a fan
imo i think its more to do with context. like, we saw barriss be the model jedi two seasons ago in the show, and now shes commiting treason? hmm
It's garbage.
Didn't happen.
@@rob776 yes it did
I’m surprised you didn’t mention on how the one time Luminara thought Bariss has died at one point yet rather then try to see if she’s still alive she wasted no time leaving her to die and it took Anakin to convince her to look for their padawans m. Mostly because on how likely Bariss’s own master also took part of her eventual disillusionment
I always thought this was a pivital episode. You've done a nice job showing me it was even more important than I realized by showing me the deeper context. I love the Clone Wars and consider it Lucas' best story. I'm loving these videos.
...OK, we really shouldn't try to fuse TCW 2008 a bit too much with Legends lore. So many Multiversal inconsistencies...
I sure hope we see Barriss again in Jedi: Fallen Order 2, regardless on whether or not she's an Inquisitor, a regretful exile, or even some tortured catatonic soul. Respawn Entertainment, please make us tear up and feel sorry with this in mind.
Oh, and the Medstar duology better be part of the Essential Legends Collection.
As a Sith, how do you destroy your greatest archenemies, the Republic and the Jedi? Bring out their inner darkness and turn what makes them what they are against them as well as each other.
The Republic was well corrupted by the Sith working from the shadows, but are the Jedi not immune to pity?
Whatever her beef was, she was wrong for doing Ashoka like that. One of the few people she could call a friend and she left her as a scape goat. Not even showing remorse for it.
Thank you for this incredibly nuanced take. Honestly, I hate the way a lot of people treat her character, but you did it perfectly!
I heard it asserted ad nauseam that the Jedi had the choice to fight or to not fight. The machinations of the Sith created a veritable Hobson’s Choice for the Jedi when the war started.
Why show Ima-Gun Di? If anyone in the Clone Wars was innocent and a good Jedi it was him? He had as much faith as the Twi-Leks and felt betrayed when The republic seemingly abandoned them, and then he sacrificed his own life to protect them?
There had been a right side in the clone wars - The neutral worlds who didn't want to join any side, neither the Republic, nor the CIS...
I always knew there was still good in her somewhere
Man, how much I miss the old pre Disney star wars. The stories had much more thoughts and creativity put into them and they didnt hesitate to explore the darker sides of star wars back then.
Moral relativism & Situation Ethics became 2 major tragic flaws that caused the Jedi Order to fall (as did the Galactic Republic). The Ends NEVER justify the MEANS & innocents ALWAYS suffer because of it (same as in the Real World)…
This game me a whole new understanding of the clone wars. I really enjoyed the deep dive into the mindset of Jedi’s becoming generals instead of Jedi. 100%. Love you’re content 🖤
I always liked Barris in TCW because she and her master were pretty much the only sane, level-headed people in every episode they were in. That obviously changed during the arc of the bombing, but that only made her more interesting.
I don't like how Barris becomes "evil" in the Clone Wars series.
Barriss Offee is an excellent example of the dated phrase, "nice guys finish last". Change my mind.
Barres became too emotional with the suffering and began to look for someone to blame for it. By her doing that she lost her way and became corrupted!!!
Ah, the wars between the Barriss stans and haters will be amusing. Who brought popcorn?
I did. Now all we do is wait
Ahsoka Tano's character pales if confronted to Barriss Offee's complexity. Awesome character, I wish we saw more of her in the clone wars!
I actually liked this arc. Sure, it showed a good character turn evil, but that was the point: to show that even the most honorable can fall from grace.
Though, in Legends, it does create a contradiction/continuity error/retcon (whatever you want to call it), because, prior to the arc, it was established that Barriss was killed when Order 66 was issued during the Battle of Felucia, Barriss also held the rank of Jedi Knight at this point. Her turning traitor as a Padawan results in some confusion.
Also...
Palpatine: Barriss' crimes went just according to my plans.
Mas Amadda: But you didn't plan thi-
Palpatine: Did I stutter?
She could have just left the Jedi order instead of taking the lives of her fellow Jedi ,and she lost her damn mind death shouldn't breed death she went to far.
She was recovering from effectively a drug addiction so yeah she wasn’t in the right mind
Darth Sidious internally during Barriss's confession: "YES! YES! YES!"
We can only hope that she returns for The Bad Batch season 2 to figure out what exactly happened to her after Order 66, because Dave Filoni basically confirmed she did not become an Inquisitor
I know there's evidence to contradict it but my headcanon is the Seventh Sister is Barriss considering that we don't know what happened to Barriss after the war and the inquisitors are former Jedi it's not a long shot to say Barriss was corrupted and turned into a inquisitor.
While I understand the sentiment of wanting Barriss to be an Inquisitior her being the 7th is just such a terrible way to end her story, not to mention there's no possible way the 7th Sister is Barriss for the following reasons.
1. Neither Ahsoka or 7th Sister ever reference a past relationship, and when Barriss became such a huge part of Ahsokas development that would not be something they would forget to mention
2. 7th Sister and Barriss have entirely different Tattoos
3. Barriss is leagues above all the Inquisitiors we've seen so far including the 7th Sister, even angry Anakin has trouble with her.
4. She is killed off in such an abrupt way by a duo of characters who've had nothing to do with her while Ahsoka is one flight of stairs away and there are two other Inquisitiors who would be just as effective in this scene
5. Significantly different voice actress
Now that she is a slave to the empire , I just can confirm how much I cannot stand her. She did Ahsoka so dirty
The issue with government and politics is that if one gets too involved with either, they lose sight of their own ideals and morals. Their ideals and morals are then replaced with the government or politics one is attached to. This is one of the reasons why the Jedi Order fell so far.
warriors often wrestle with the question of fighting for peace.
I guess peace is a lie.
@@kronoscamron7412 It is a lie and nothing more. Humans are such chaotic creatures that peace can never truly be achieved. Peace is just like perfection, it is just a word people made up and cannot really exist.
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 So fucking edgy. Go back to Reddit.
@@papapalps2415 That joke makes absolutely no sense to me because I don't use reddit. If you're going to make a joke, try to actually make it to where it will undoubtedly apply to who you are joking with. Heck, I'm hardly on any social media platforms. I only use two social media platforms and that includes this one.
@@papapalps2415 Also, if you really think that my comment on humanity and peace or my original comment are really edgy, then you wouldn't be able to take the worst parts of my life.
personal thoughts: Barris Offee was no traitor and died during the Battle of Felusia with Ayla Secura, they did Cannon Barris wrong!
now reality: i hate what they did to Barris, but she is right. the Jedi shouldn't have gotten involved
"Barriss Offee loved her Clone Troopers"
Also Barriss Offee: Stabs Clone trooper through the chest with her lightsaber.
(Season 2 episode 8)
They had a choice to abstain…the clones would have been better off being led by their own and the Jedi could have taken on the role of Civil Affairs and peacekeepers protecting non-combatants
No, they didn't. Abstaining was a choice in the same way refusing to fight on an active war zone is a choice. Too little too fucking late. If the Jedi had refused, they likely would have come out of it better, yes, but they were still completely boned. Anakin wouldn't have ever gone along with that, for one. It would have been a Revan/Mandalorian Wars situation all over again, hilariously. And for two, the Republic would have still turned into the Empire, if not even FASTER then in reality, because Palpatine wouldn't have needed to worry about Jedi looking over his shoulders. The propaganda needed to turn everybody against the Jedi and justify everything would have virtually wrote itself.
@@papapalps2415 well said ur right
@@papapalps2415 Exactly. The Jedi were pretty much caught between a rock and a hard place. If they abstained from the war it would have possibly been even more disastrous. Recruited officers held an even lower opinion of the Clone troopers than even some of the worst Jedi and often held fewer qualms about resorting to drastic tactics. Tarkin being a prime example of this.
And meanwhile the Jedi would be blamed for inaction and still be wiped out. Being branded as traitors and enemies of the Republic.
8.16 this jedi master was a true jedi. He died with his troopers to save the people of ryloth.his last words: "the Twileks are save".
8:38 There was a right side. The Neutral Side
I’m not sure about that anymore. Lately when it comes to modern issues in American politics, people seem to be critical of anyone who is neutral, saying that by not picking a side you are basically supporting the establishment. It’s also questionable how long one’s neutrality will last if they are attacked by a larger power. Citizens can fall to fear and likely will pressure their governments to ally with larger powers. After all, the Mandalorian Resistance couldn’t liberate Mandalore by themselves during the Clone Wars and during the Galactic Civil War. They inevitably had to ally with larger powers like the Galactic Republic and the Rebel Alliance.
@@tristankawatsuma8962 Specifically for the Clone Wars, the Neutral Side is the right side. Every other Neutral Side is up for debate
@@EdaugEthanbYT Okay, neutral worlds may have clean hands as the Republic and Separatist militaries tore each other apart. But as I point out, neutrality has its own cons. Mandalore is just the most notable example of people trying to fill the power vacuum as the war raged on. Now given how the Republic left security mostly to its members instead of having a unified military, some planets will handle rogues such as pirates and criminal gangs better than others. Mandalore by the time of the Clone Wars clearly was in the latter category. You could say the neutral worlds basically showed what a post-war CIS would look like if they won, minus the government. Worlds loosely connected with money being what makes everything go round and round. Except unlike a post-war CIS there is no national army, even if it is one owned by the corporations. Planets would have to depend on alliances that other worlds may or may not fulfill. If conflict isn't a problem, supplies would be. Again, Mandalore serves as this example. Neutrality may be the moral choice in regards to the war, but the citizens may start questioning this as soon as they start suffering from isolation if their planet doesn't have good allies.
It dose make me wonder how Barrissn viewed Ahsoka, did she think that she was jus like the other Jedi or did she actually have regrets about framing her for the crime.
Also I wonder if Luminara was one of the reasons why Barriss turned? After all she was pretty strict on the whole no emotion thing so I doubt that she would have been someone she could talk to about her problems. Heck Ahsoka might have been the only person who she actually viewed as a friend.
"The Jedi were too attached to the Republic".
And as we all know, attachments are forbidden for a Jedi.
It’s kind of funny how star wars has evolved to reflect the realities of the real world over the years. Remember when Jedi were the ultimate paragon warriors? The good guys? It’s kind of incredible how something so black and white has evolved into grey. And there are still people that say star wars is for kids.
I still wonder what happened to her after the clone wars and if we will see that in the Bad Batch
I've always liked Barris she was a pretty cool character. I wonder if they'll ever bring her back.
She also Hated the Clone Wars. She had not been trained properly as a Jedi Consular or Jedi Knight. I Sir Gabriel Ivan Collado along with RUclipsr send this Urgent Message about the Jedi, but first about that traitor Barriss there is something to be judged about the Jedi, but it's not their roles as War Great Mongers in the Clone Wars using Action to get the Separatist Destroyed, along with whether the Republic is failing but they're not, Bargaining barely works, Diplomacy failed the Republic years ago, just like how Bargaining barely worked for America, Puerto Rico, South Korea, North Korea, China in the Korean War, but Diplomacy completely failed, the Bargaining only resulted in an Armstice stopping the War but not ending it, making a Unjust Peace temporarily truce but not permanent, as we like to say a Just War is Better than a Unjust Peace, but eventually America, Puerto Rico, South Korea, will fight North Korea plus China again the Korean War 2 we'll be ready.
But anyway point is that it is only the Damned Regular Jedi rules that are to be Judged, there is this great RUclipsr named the Film Theorist in this video the Uncomfortable Truth about the Jedi we both know the Regular Jedi are Brainwashed. Ahoska did not mentor her right, Luminara did not trained her properly. Barriss Offee was such a Puny Dumb Traitorous Annoying Bitch that failed to see the Distinction, sometime after she got arrested she mostly died either during Order 66, or Barriss Died way After Order 66.
At 10:34 of the Video I was kinda like no They are So Wrong. We are both thinking the same idea, the Regular Jedi are Brainwashed, Dishonest, Dishonorable Warriors, but the Sith are NOT Good At all Either, the regular Jedi Order we're dishonorable, the Sith too, and I have Great Ideal Explanation for this, 1 The Jedi are Brainwashed to have no emotions except Serenity, calmness, and happiness, they think they make them strong but they're wrong, sometimes Anger is needed, after Darth Maul stabbed his Master Qui Gon Jinn it had helped Obi Wan get Maul beaten by using Anger, along with help Anakin get Darth Tyranus killed, it has even helped The HULK before many times.
2 Yoda in Star Wars 3 ROTS said not to care about those who have died never to mourn nor miss them but they mourned Qui Gon by giving him a funeral that's totally Terrible.
3 They take children at toddler age separate them from their parents either never let them see each other again or let them see each other again but in a long time not even to text or send a message, that's even more cold blooded than Dr Halsey taking kids at pre teen age to their facilities training them to be Spartans then give them their Serums at 14 worse of all their parents don't even know their children have been taken, they clone their child lie to the parents letting them think they got their original children but they didn't, their original children are still in thir custody.
4 Jedi don't use Nightsorcerers of Dathomir Trinkets, nor Use Sith Trinkets no matter how great knowledge they have, but they use Jedi Trinket Holocrons for info, they think that's all the knowledge they need to learn between Jedi Holocrons, Books, Computers, but they're wrong sometimes need other sources of Intel, and that's what Number 5 turns out to be truly helpfully Hopeful.
Number 5 Jedi think Lightside of the Force own abilities are more powerful than the Darkside, that should never use anything related to the Darkside except Skills something Mace Windu did when fighting on Geonosis, the Clone Wars, and against Palpatine as Darth Sidious it comes with being a Purple Lightsaber wielder using both Lightside and Darkside Fighting physical Melee Lightsaber Skills, but everything else in the Darkside other than Skills are Forbidden, such as Knowledge, Power Ehancement Abilities, but I say it doesn't matter what side of the Force those knowledge and Abilities are from, it only matters how the person uses them, depending on who they are, for what reason they use it for, the Regular Jedi Order didn't see like that, they believed only using happiness calmness Serenity, Only use Jedi Holocrons, and only use Lightsiders Force Abilities are more powerful than Darksiders Force Abilities but they're Wrong, both sides of the Force are Powerful, Repulse, Mind Trick, Lightning are needed, Plo Coon used Lightning called Electrical judgement, Luke Skywalker used Green Emerald Lightning, pyrokinesis, healing power, control of water, Metamorphosis are needed, (Metamorphosis power to shape-shift into anyone, anyspecies, and any animals even Monstrous types even creatures that are extinct, Winged Goddess the Daughter along with Gargoyle the Son used Metamorphosis) So really both Factions of the Force are Powerful at the same level, even Sith Lord Count Dooku that became Darth Tyranus didn't fully embrace the Darkside that's why he was never deformed nor did he have Sith Eyes, he still used some Abilities of the Lightside of the Force, same goes out for Kylo Ren.
So the True Force Wielders Warriors that are honorably Wisely Powerful are the Grey Order Jedi, the ones that use White lightsabers starting with Ahsoka Tano, Gold Lightsabers wielders such as Rey, Green Lightsabers true Excellent Jedi Grey Consulars like Luke Skywalker, Purple Lightsabers wielders, even Darksabers such as the Great Tarre Vizsla the first half Jedi Half Mandalorian Warrior creator of the Darksaber, which by the way Moff Gideon in Mandalorian don't deserve that saber, only the Mandalorians, Nightsisters like Merrin, also Grey Excellent Jedi Deserve the Darksaber, should probably make More Black sabers. But anyway the True Non Brainwashed Great Emotional Enhanced Powerful gifted Force User SuperHeroes are the Grey Order Jedi.
I always love Geetsly's analyses of these subjects!
While I do see Barriss points and how right some of them are, I personally can't agree with them entirely and I definitely can't agree her actions, especially with what it did to Ahsoka.
I will always be loyal to the Republic, The Jedi Order, and the Clones, but much like Rex, as you explain over two weeks ago in another video, my loyalty doesn't make me stupid and someone who blindly follows orders and sees them as absolute, I can see that the Republic has problems too it, but again like Rex and many others, I'm still loyal to its ideals, the ideals of justice and stability. And like Rex, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Plo Koon, Padme, Bail, Mon Mothma, Senator Tills, Senator Chuchi, and many other good Clones, Jedi, and Loyalists, I will fight for the true Republic, its ideals of goodness I believe in, even if it means sometimes disobeying an order the very system I support gives me, when I know it is the wrong order.
Barriss’ actions are truly wrong, but she did see how far The Republic and Jedi fell from grace. I believe the ideals of The Republic and Separatist Alliance both have their merits: The Republic stands primarily for justice and peace, where the C.I.S. supports more independence and decentralization. Although a double-edged sword, it is more difficult for an authoritarian leader to seize absolute power (hence why Palpatine wanted The Republic to win the Clone Wars).
I may disagree with it’s laissez-faire aspects, but the ideals of self-determination are why I would align with the Separatists. People like Tofen Vane, Mina Bonteri, and even Alto Stratus wanted the best for their worlds. Remove the Sith, and we may have seen the C.I.S. and The Republic coexist.
@@danmorseson627 Both sides do have good points to them, which is why many were loyal to their side. You know we kind of got the Republic and Separatists co-exists since the Rebellion Alliance is made up of both Republic and Separatists loyalists alike, who have managed to put aside their differences for the most part to stop their common enemy that is the Empire.
So I guess that's one good point we can give that evil horrible Empire, its threat is what united all the good people on both sides together to try and make things better.
@@zexalbrony4799 The true ideals of both Republic and Separatist could both coexist peacefully, I'd say the Republic had the moral high ground in the war over the Separatist because the GAR Military was far more honorable and moral..
@@cancelanime1507 True.
Although, while I'd say the Republic had the moral high ground when it came to the military, I think the Separatists might have had the moral high ground when it came to their Senate.
@@zexalbrony4799 Thing is we really don’t know that much about the Separatist senate
Thabks for your analysis of Barriss Offee. Her story is a good example of a well developed villain arc. She bombed the Jedi Temple and framed Ahsoka Tano because of the suffering the war was causing civilians and Clone troopers. Its good that the Tales of the Empire shorts gave her a redemption arc.
I always loved Barris as a character. She saw through the lies of the jedi. The jedi deserved it, and I killed them. Every single one of them. Not just the men, but the women, and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I hate them!
lololol
It's incredible how deep Star Wars really is
I love how you said that they had no choice but to fight in the war, but they had a CHOICE in being Jedi or general first
I really loved the plot twist of Barriss being the mastermind of the bombing... but the part with the Order turning on Ahsoka ruined the story arc for me... Anakin and Ahsoka was called back to the Temple because neither of them were present in the temple at the time of the bombing.
Ahsoka was right in her assessment of Barris. She did have a point in what she was saying, about the Jedi and the Republic, but she went about it in the wrong way. She shouldn’t have done what she did, instead she should have found another way. If she had perhaps she could have made the Jedi see what they were becoming and possibly put a stop to it. Instead of lashing out in anger and giving into her hate she should have used her words to sway the Jedi Order into opening their eyes and seeing the truth that she saw. Had she done as a true Jedi would have done and used her words to make them see reason perhaps she could have stopped all the darkness that was to come. This brings up another interesting alternative timeline for a Star Wars What If series, What if Barris Offee had confronted the Jedi Order in an attempt to sway them away from the war?
What, exactly, do you think Bariss talking to the Jedi would have done? Even if you ignore her being a literal terrorist, then what? There is no 'talking the Jedi out of the war'. That's childish fanfiction-levels of fantasy. By the time of the start of the war it was far too late. They couldn't have backed away realistically even if they wanted to. The Jedi were in a complete Kobayashi Maru. There was no winning play.
I wonder how much the Clones loved her if you know what I mean…
I know I loved her😏
Steadyyy
Stand down trooper
Hey, don't bring the Barriss x Clones fanfics into this. Barrisoka is better.
30 year old bodies, 14 year old libidos.
Always great material, man. Keep em’ coming : )
In the end she died on the planet Felucia during Order 66.
I loved that whole story arc, but one thing about it bugs me...where was Luminara during Barriss' fall? Maybe I'm forgetting something, but she must have seen some of the despair that led to the fall of her padawan.
So how responsible would one say the clone troopers are for the Rise of the Empire. Granted, even in Canon it is likely the chips wear off so clones that are part of the Empire after the Bad Batch series are likely members of their own free will, but can a person make a fair choice depending on how they were raised? Clones spent their entire childhoods being raised to serve the Republic and were thus also taught propaganda about the Republic. Sure, a few of them ended up deserting over the politics of the war and realizing that few ever gave a damn about clone lives. However most of these deserters are special forces who have different levels of independence programmed into their brains and in Cut Lawquane’s case, he was all on his own after losing his entire unit, not getting a rescue like other clones. Can you really do something that most people think is the right thing if you have been taught otherwise? And unlike the Jedi, the clones literally owe their existence to the Galactic Republic which is ordering for their creation. They wouldn’t even be alive if it wasn’t for the Republic. It really is a tough situation and this may be an unpopular opinion given that clones have demonstrated free will, but I personally can’t hold most if not all clone troopers responsible for the Rise of the Empire. Compared to Nazis and other armies that could be called evil, clones have an extremely unusual and unique upbringing. Their literal parents are the state.
excellent philosophical question.
Well, they're slaves for one, and indoctrinated from birth to love the Republic and to follow orders
@@ashnagog8534 Yeah, but fans might try to say that the stormtroopers of the Empire and more so of the First Order also go through mass indoctrination. And as some Star Wars theorists like Geetsly point out, clone troopers aren't even aware they are slaves. And unlike regular slaves when Order 66 came down, nobody was pointing a whip, sword, or gun at them. They just got and order and followed it. I am in the camp that sees the majority of clone troopers as good guys, but I feel that fans that prefer Order 66 in Legends versus the Order 66 with chips in Canon would be making these arguments.
The Jedi Order had a right to defend the Republic and it’s citizens against the Sith and their followers, but not a war against its political rivals to the Republic.
The Separatists were led by & featured many prominent Sith,
so what were the Jedi supposed to do?
Her view of the Republic was correct but her methods were wrong, just like Maul. That's some good writing.
Its sad that the sith corrupted her
Making her kill them
Never will be a supporter of this plot twist. No build up whatsoever, cheap shock gimmick.
My Barriss Offee is the one from the Medstar Duology.
Agreed. It's clear Filoni just wanted a convenient way to have his pet character escape Order 66 and remain a Jedi without technically being one.
It’s pretty weird that after all these years and the fact that we’ve now had two masked female inquisitors(one of them even being the same species), we still have no idea what happened to Barriss at all.
4:00-4:30 Palpatine: I couldn’t have said it better myself hahaha
The Jedi did have a choice however… Follow the Jedi Council of the Mandalorian War. As a whole, sit out of the order. There will be many who will fight. But they did have a choice.
Abstaining wouldn't have changed dick or shit in the grand scheme of things.
It wouldnt be any better
So? They did have a choice. Not a good one, but still a choice
@@dar-nakkallig Its a choice in the same way refusing to fight whilst in the middle of a war zone is a choice. Technically speaking I suppose it is, but you are being disingenuous if you think its actually even vaguely viable.
Yeah well, maybe if you didn't build your temple on a dark side nexus, you would have been able to sense the dark presence and been able to prevent it all, but here we are!
I strongly disagree with your assertion that the Jedi had zero choice. They chose not to fight in the Mandalorian Wars (Revan and his followers notwithstanding), and it is distinctly possible that both wars could resolve without them. Had they not been blinded by the bloodshed of the Clone Wars, they might have been able to perceive the manipulation of the Sith. The fact that they chose to engage in the war as an exclusive arm of the Republic government, and refuse any responsibility to those who claimed the cause of the CIS, already stands in opposition to their calling. No, the council chose to fight because in large part the First Battle of Geonosis pushed them to commit. The council attempted to claim their decision was made without emotion when they were in truth deeply upset by the battle and the immense losses they had faced there. They were blinded by the Sith, but also failed themselves even when they had the opportunity to make meaningful decisions.
Palpatine when Anakin Interrupts: *Fuck, is he going to make me reprimand him for this? Ugh, please, Dark Side, No!*
Bariss: “THE JEDI ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS WAR!”
Palpatine: *… let her cook*
she was an amazing but conflicting character of the show.
She really loved the clones by murdering multiple Coruscant Guards in order to frame Ahsoka. Yeah…so gentle to them…
Might’ve been because she tried to blow up a Jedi temple. That might get you hated by a few people
She loved the Clones so much she killed a bunch of them and innocent civilians too.
Say it with me people... ironic.
No
You didn’t point it out but her master to fell.
Luminara was a zelut who only used the orders rules to explain away her war crimes and completely ignorence of true suffering in the galaxy. Luminara was a psychopath who troted around claiming herself to be a paragon of virtue and one of the pillars of the order. when in reality she was a piss poor Jedi, with bad judgment and even worse morals.
luminara unduli: we are peacekeepers, not soldiers
Barriss Offee: *bombs the jedi temple when the jedi become generals*
I'm glad to see more backstory for her, I don't belive the shows mentioned her being a healer or they did in passing
The Jedi could have just sent Yoda and Mace Windu or just send most of the council to capture Dooku and Palpatine’s plan would get wrecked. Maybe capture Grevious too, but that’s all! The rest of the Separatists would fall apart without their public leadership and maybe Dooku would expose Palpatine. Just capture two very powerful individuals to end the war, and there was ample opportunity for a group of Jedi to capture either during the war
Of course! All you need to do to win is, just, like, win, brah. If you want to kill the president, you just, gotta, like, shoot him.
If you want to bring world peace, you just gotta do it, like, bro.
Fucking stop. Jesus Christ.
Barriss honestly was somewhat justified, I don't care what anyone says
What happened to her afterwards ? Do we know ?
In the Expanded Universe, she died on Felucia along with Aayla Secura when Order 66 was issued.
But her fate in Disney Canon is still unknown
When your healer decides to become a DPS
And betrayed her friend and killed many jedi, turning a man into a living bomb... misunderstood.
The more I learn about the clone wars and other wars in general, I tend to become less and less a fan of the Jedi.
the jedi were doomed when they got in bed with the Senate.
Fn A on this vid.
What is talked about here points out a few things.
1) the mastermind genius of palpatine.
2)( although not perfect) the example of kenobi, "the negotiator".
3) Barriss was wrong for how she went about it yes. And this may sound like a defense in her case but again pointing to sidious' genius.
War does thing to people, most are never the same again.
Even if her talking to the counsel and going threw the ranks, she is more than Likely, dismissed. Anyone at work that has a low level position gets crapped on but knows better ways of doing things knows the feeling of having answers but without a position of power how hopeless it feels and often leads to disgruntled employee and one that quits making a scene.
And most importantly her age. In that youth and passion. all these things build up.