I’ve seen the Jedi as the biggest hypocrites since I was 8. They were against slaves yet owned a slave army. Like, it takes a special kind of stupid to believe the Jedi way was correct.
The Jedi Order failed because, over time, it became dogmatic, and refused to adapt and/or adopt new policies. This is why Luke’s New Jedi Order in the old EU was my favorite Jedi Order: Luke worked so hard to make sure the mistakes of previous generations of Jedi were not repeated. And if that meant changing and/or abolishing certain practices, Luke didn’t hesitate to do exactly that.
Among their greatest flaws was their rejection of human emotions. That's just never going to turn out positively. It's just as flawed as the Dark Side's policy of embracing all negative emotions without restraint.
Yeah, if only they learned to be more individualistic like Qui-Gon and see that if they were going to call themselves champions of the Light Side of the Force then they should act like it such as not caring just about certain rules
@I. Th. One way to look at that is that the destruction of his new Jedi Academy at the hands of one his students (partly triggered by him as well) pretty much broke him emotionally and spiritually. Hence the broken Jedi we met in TLJ.
@I. Th. In Legends, Luke NEARLY lost his academy, but in TLJ he DID lose it - he had no students left! There were no survivors except the one who went on to serve Snoke and the Dark Side. Luke's failure here was utter and complete, and obviously sent him into despair. So much so that he didn't even want to train anyone else.
My biggest problem with the Jedi is that it is easy to proclaim moral righteousness when your morals aren't challenged. The first time a Jedi's morals are truly challenged they either break or fall
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi it wasn't the Council questioning his morals that pushed Ani to the Dark Side, mouthbreather. It was the fifteen years of hypocritical chastising that pushed him over the edge
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi And you think Sidious wouldn’t have found a way to outwit, outsmart and overpower *you* given time? The Sith had spent the better part of a millennium infiltrating every part of the Republic’s infrastructure. They learned how to use even your own tenets to their advantage. What exactly makes you think you would have been able to handle Sidious’s direct manipulations? You cannot defeat your opponent if they already know every move you will make. That’s a confrontation you wouldn’t be able to “high ground” your way out of.
@@jeremyallen5974 lol it wasn't even that. It was simply: "I, as a Sith, have the power to save the only person you're willing to kill and die for. If the Jedi destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost." Anakin was manipulated, the entire time he was a Jedi. And he tried his absolute best to insure he doesn't lose Padme. It's why he only disarmed Windu, its not like he can't just get a new arm. However, Palpatine used that chance to kill him. Anakin realized instantly he fucked up, and believes that all other paths have been closed to him, that this was his only option. All of this was because of a split second decision, lapse in judgement, and a test of faith that Anakin failed.
The Jedi refused to evolve and many in the order realized this from even the time before Revan who tried to reform the Jedi but was labeled a heretic and hit with a sush order. If the Jedi of old realized Revan was correct then that could have alieviated the problems and suffering the galaxy felt and possibly reunite the Jedi and Sith into one balanced order.
I believe Revan, right next to Qui-Gon, gad the best understanding of the Force period. To him, there was no light and dark. Both had their pros and cons, and deserved equal respect.
I agree. And yet some people still think that the Dark Side is just a cancer to be cut out of the Force - rather than a half that needs to be reunited with the Light.
Somerandom Guy Well, the good thing at least is there were changes with the Luke's New Jedi Order especially being allowed to have a spouse and not kidnapping force-sensitive babies.
When living in the universe of Star Wars... it helps to be a contrarian! Look at Qui Gon. He had different ideals than the Jedi council and they just cast him aside. The Council grew far too comfortable.
+Star Trek Theory _"Balance doesn't make for good stories"_ You're going to have to back that up with arguments and examples, mate. Because otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass. Also, counterexample(s): _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ and, even more so, _The Legend of Korra_ .
+Star Trek Theory Actually, it's quite the opposite. You just proved that you are either just trolling, or don't know what you're talking about, and that your comments therefore deserve to be disregarded and even ridiculed, should someone feel so inclined. True, there is some debate on _The Legend of Korra_ , but most *actual writers* seem to agree the show is extremely well written. But your *REAL* downfall comes in your comment about LoK's predecessor. _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ is *universally* regarded as one of the best, if not THE best, Western Animated Series of all time. On all levels: animation, fighting, World Building, Characters and, yes, Story. There is *literally NO DEBATE* on this. It is therefore also not up to interpretation, but is instead established as objectively true by any conceivable, reasonable metric. You -- and anyone, really -- claiming that it sucked -- let alone using that position to try and prove a point -- means losing any and all credibility from now and for the rest of time.
I too believe in a more grey lining of the force. Modern Jedi and Sith orders are too polarized, however, in The Last Jedi, they had a perfect opportunity for both to merge towards the middle but didn’t. I’m still a bit salty over that. Anyways, great video as usual.
It's because Grey side is nothing but fanfic bullshit and nearly all of the fanbase misunderstood that the light side and dark side is ying and yang bullshit, when in reality it's not ying and yang. This is why I believe the philosophy that Kriea created, and that the only way to bring peace to the Galaxy is to destroy the Force.
SATmaster728 Scholly The Force is an insidious god that creates eternal death and chaos just to create Balance. In other words, the Force is mess up and needs to be destroy.
They failed because, despite being the supposedly wisest beings in the galaxy, not once did any of them consider auditing the defense budget of the Galactic Republic. If they had, they would have noticed massive payments for a clone army and warships *before* Chancellor Palpatine pledged to build a grand army. Jedi Council: great with the force, terrible at accounting.
The Clone Army was paid for by Jedi Master Sifo Dias with money given to him by Darth Plageuis, in his public alter ego of Hego Demask. Sifo Dias was then killed, leaving the Kaminoan cloners with no knowledge of who was working with Sifo Dias - actually they assumed the Jedi Council were behind the order for a clone army. And Sifo Dias was dead, meaning the only other people who might know were Count Dooku, Sifo Dias' childhood best friend, and Jango Fett, the clone template. Jango Fett was working with the Seperatists, and died on Kamino a couple of days after the Clone Army was discovered. And Dooku led the Seperatists, and wouldn't answer any questions even if they could get hold of him to ask. All in all, it was a very neat plan that tied up all the loose ends.
In broader perspective, they became complacent and looked too much into the future (at least in Darth Plagueis book). And many other mistakes they did make.
To their credit, weren't the Jedi more or less ordered to enter the war at the behest of the Senate? I don't recall them being like "oh hell yeah let's do this" but were somewhat hesitant. But then again, it's been a few years since I've seen *those* episodes.
But they didn't have to. Jedi are separate from the Senate and no one in the Jedi really questions all that hard who or why the slave clone army came from.
Well the Jedi did started the war first even before they gotten their command or even before the clones arrived. They invaded an outer rim planet that has no ties to the Republic with a hundred jedi to capture Count Dooku who was at the time was their leader of the the outer rim (CIS).. That's like US special forces invading russia to capture Putin. Of course it will start a war. So no, Jedi were not hesitant, They rushed and invaded, even before jedi invaded another planet they send a single jedi to attack and spy on the said planet before hand.
Obi-Wan Kenobi you might need to teach the next generation to have less fear of the dark side so that theoretically the dark side can’t corrupt them as well fear leads to the dark side also you might as well have some teachings of the dark side and wait didn’t you die
I don't know, they did a lot of insinuations in the prequels, lot of implications. After all, Palpatine's words to sway Anakin might as well just be vapor if there weren't signs that Anakin could pick up that the Jedi were failing
They do imply it: Qui-gon's Rebellion. Mace and Yoda discussing the Jedi's Clouded vision, and their lessened ability to use the force. The Hypocrisy of "Keepers of the Peace, not soldiers".
Obi-Wan: "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them, bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness" Nope, he definitely brought balance to the force. Before there was an entire order of Jedi & just 2 Sith. After order 66, it was pretty much even. Just saying, Anakin definitely matched his prophecy.
I still say that Anakin fulfilled the prophesy by bringing Luke and Leia to the universe. Both were force users, yet luke was jedi, and leia a politician. Luke taught all aspects of the force, both light and dark. Leia as a senator made choices best for the republic, not individual pieces of the republic. Luke and Leia brought balance, so in a sense, Anakin brought balance to the force.
Any time you polaruze a belief, you establish parameters that limit actions and balance. Jedi and Sith did just that. Jedi Code essentially says, "I will use intillect, knowledge, peace, understanding, etc... to control my actions and will not use my powers to harm anyone overtly or willfully. I will defend myself if attacked and if I must (kill some one) in defense of myself or others.". The Sith essentially says, "I will use power to personally advance myself. I will use emotions to power me. I will kill (in the course of my belief). I will use knowledge to my personal gain. I will grow more powerful in the use of emotion.". ::P Jedi polarized to the point that the Order forbade "dark arts" . Palpatine used this fact to "court" Anikan. In a way, Palpatine was correct. The Order did limit Annikan's development. The "dark side" did not limit development (as the order did). ::P the Grey Jedi had the most difficult time. they balanced themselves between "Dark" and "light". Said balance is extremely difficult. It requires a very dedicated person (one who can use both "dark" and "light" forces). The celebcy law also did not help. It hurt. It gave the Jedi a rather limited view on life (no love for another). It also aided the Jedi in that such emotions would create problems with intellectual management. In a way, the sith were correct. Te Jedi Order created their own destruction.
I like this analysis & breakdown of the historical events that led to the fall of the Jedi. I always felt Lucas consistently made the case that the Jedi had become too mired in the politics of the Republic. And that their involvement with the Clone Wars was also motivated by their choice to assume "political" responsibility for the creation of the Jedi commissioned clone army. An element that likely fed the mistrust that led to later accusations they started the war on purpose. The thing I wish more people, understood that Lucas made a point of in ROTS, was that everything we fans generally know about the Force comes from the belief system of the Jedi & Sith. And that there's likely an infinite amount of ways it could be interpreted and harnessed. The light & dark are dynamics of Jedi philosophy but that doesn't necessarily mean they represent the most vital aspects of the Force. In fact, episodes of the Clone Wars series straight up allude to that. I'm really looking forward to seeing new factions in Star Wars that embrace the binding energy of the universe in their own interesting ways like the Nightsisters of Dathomir or the Imperial Knights of the Star Wars Legacy comic. The Last Jedi alludes to this possibility but that only makes me wish they'd started the new trilogy with that in mind in the first place. Thanks again for these fun explorations of the lore.
I think that as well! Episode III actually has an excellent story, but the dialogue and pacing is terrible. That KOTOR really made me rethink my thoughts on the Jedi, and their often hypocritical actions.
What happened to the Jedi during the mandalorian wars in KOTOR should have been a terrible reminder of how badly war can destroy even a jedi regardless of if they survive it or not.
The Jedi Order. A increasingly rigid system and structure that often becomes a controlling force over time as it tries to maintain ideals that become outdated by the changing nature of each new generation. The resulting consequences of this, is that those who were once liberators now grow to become dictators as they begin to assert control over others believing that their own self righteousness is the only way to maintain order. This leads into Sith territory as the increasing dictatorial and rebellious mindsets that spawn from these conditions are driven by emotion and not reason. Oppression and Destruction follows. In truth. Both the Jedi and the Sith are wrong. Natures path cannot be conformed to a simple template of dominance or order. Nature is dynamic and forever changing. The same applies to people and it applies to society. Adapt to the changing nature, or the changing nature will wipe you out.
By saying this, you just said it's okay to be fine with the destruction of over five planets and everything unique about them, the races, the flora, and the fauna. If it was YOUR planet getting blown to smithereens, and YOU were left alive, and forced to find a new home, it would be very different. Think how Leia must have felt when seeing Alderaans destruction.
OH THANK YOU ALAN. I keep thinking I'm taking crazy pills or something. Qui Gon was the ONLY one who had a clue and they killed him off. I wish he would be a Force Ghost. I think the point of the prequels, even though people hate them, was to SHOW just how rigid, strict, dogmatic and STUPID the Jedi actually were and how they were just as bad as the Sith.
Yoda said Qui-Gonn had figured out how to Force-Ghost at the end of RotS, and that Yoda and Obi-wan should probably talk to him about it. I had hoped that meant we'd see him at some point, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
In the show, it says Qui-gönn was the first to figure this version of immortality, one where you live in the force, not held together by it like the Sith do. Qui-gönn tells Yoda how to obtain it.
Maybe the Jedi under Luke Skywalker in Canon will be written to be an organization like the New Jedi Order in Legends. We know very little about what is only referred to as "Luke Skywalker's Jedi", or simply "a new generation of Jedi", for Canon only existed for three years. In comparison, there is plenty of information on the New Jedi Order from Legends (a universe that existed for thirty-six years, and that's not counting expansions of Star Wars: The Old Republic that came out after Disney's purchase of Star Wars in 2014).
+One Piece I'm not sure if you read my comment, but I will stop attacking your opinion now. All opinions are okay. You can hate post-2014 canon, while I can like the post-2014 canon. Refund what post-2014 content you have, continue reading, watching and/or playing what you like.
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
this. this is why i loved the prequels. the execution may have been sloppy, but the core idea was brilliant. the movies may have fucked it up, but the clone wars series made up for it, IMO.
Here's the problem: This "tolerant" belief that you talk about that would have "saved" the Jedi is EXACTLY why the New Republic fell. They signed a treaty with the Empire/First Order, and refused to take action against them. This allowed the First Order to build an army, navy, and superweapon to destroy the New Republic. Sometimes, the only thing you can do is to strike down your enemy without mercy, especially one that has proven to have a complete lack of empathy for individual life. They built not one, but two weapons that could destroy entire planets. What is it to say they wouldn't build a third?
+halrold that’s the thing tho the Jedi should either be geared towards war our in my opinion left out of it. The Jedi were extremely capable soldiers but not all of them were great tacticians. In the end most battles aren’t 1 vs 1 hero duels but about larger units. And the clones were the finest soldiers in the galaxy give them a good general who doesn’t have to follow a Jedi code and you have unstoppable force.
Yeah, a classic case of lawful stupid. It isn't that the new Republic being honorable is bad but they refused to not abide by their agreement even when the other side was ignoring their obligations. Obedience to law took precedence over good sense. An agreement only works when both parties follow it. If one is only doing lip service to it then that opens up all sorts of complications. Like war.
Yes, somewhat, on the small-mindness, no, on the wrong understanding of balance. Balance was achieved when Anakin killed the Emperor at the cost of his life.
Grand Admiral Thrawn The Jedi really didn’t grasp what “balance” means. They were openly talking about how Anakin, the chosen one, would bring balance to the force and “exterminate the sith”. A hundred thousand light side users and zero dark siders is *balanced* ? Yeahhhhh, tooootally.
It doesn't matter if there were a thousand Jedi or just one. Balance in the Force isn't achieved with the number of Jedi or the number of Sith as they have no bearing on it. The Force exists whether there is Jedi or not. Balance was achieved when Anakin killed the Emperor; this is confirmed by George Lucas in the ROTS audio commentary.
+TeoTeoTeo No, it's unbalanced if the dark and the light isn't used equally. If you put two black weights on one side and 100 white weights on the other with all weights having the same, well, weight, you have an unbalance. If you remove all the weights of one side you have even more of an unbalance.
I'd love a neutral faction in later Star Wars history (post-empire) and in these stories this organization is viewed as hostile or evil by our jedi protagonists but slowly... bit by bit... they realize that the neutral faction is right and end up working with this faction to dismantle the new jedi order
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. Reven said that in order for the sith to be strong it wasn't necessary for a massive horde to exist but merely 2 souls, a master and a student, one to embody power and one to learn and eventually usurp power through ritual combat. by spending time growing in power and teaching 1 person your ways and eventually falling to their blade ensured that each new generation of sith would be stronger, while the jedi would mediate the peace the hidden sith would amass power until the time was right, it might happen tomorrow it might happpen 10,000 years from not but one day the day will come when a sith lord would rule the galaxy..... --- flash to the Emperor's throne room circa Battle of Endor...oops, the sith must try again --- flash to when luke tries to kill his nephew....wait what?? ---- flash to when luke projects his image across a vast distance.....wait, you can do that? so now the jedi done finally outdid the sith and have a skill we lack WTF? SW is broken man, it's broke I say lolz
The Dark Siders felt betrayed because they had been. The Jedi didn't exile them. That was the propaganda they put out to seem merciful. They put the Dark Siders in a ship programmed to go and never stop, till it ran out of energy and everyone aboard died. But that didn't happen. Probably, some Dark Siders may have seized control and stopped the ship near a habitable planet - which was the planet of the Sith. Then their plan for revenge began. But meanwhile, the Jedi continued to hunt and destroy ANYONE who used the force in any manner and refused to become a part of the Jedi. They did this till they felt all threats (because anyone who used the force and thought differently then them, was now the enemy), were eliminated. In the end, both Jedi and The Sith, brought about their own destruction.
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To be fair on the Jedi Order, you must remember they spent ONE THOUSAND YEARS without an incident of a Sith Lord. Enough to make them think they are extinct. Meanwhile, the Sith have evolved. They hid, letting the Jedi rest in their power. They waited for the jedi to become complacent, clouding the Jedi vision with the Dark side. Then they attacked. To summarise, 1000 years is not a bad mark. Now lets talk about the Rebel Alliance, the New Republic and Luke's Order...
The thing that always bothers me is that Obi wans statement is yes an absolute but he is not dealing in an absolute in the statement. Dealing in an absolute was what Anakin did by saying if you are not with me then you are my enemy which is dealing with only two options.
Dealing in absolutes is truly what the jedi does. If you attempt to play a relatively light side Sith warrior in SWTOR, the encounters you have with jedi mostly goes the same way, they deem you evil, you fight, you defeat them, and spare their life, wich they can't almost never wrap their head around, they can't understand why a sith would not want to kill just for the sake of it. It really put into perspective for me how narrowminded the jedi really are, even if that game isn't considered cannon anymore.
yes, but space marines are genetically engineered super soldiers, an organic cyborg if you will and were made for war and protecting the imperium. the tau even refer to them as living weapons which is technically correct. they are totally different from the jedi in terms of how they function and serve the society.
The Jedi thought that balance meant destroying the dark side. They're so over their heads that all they had to do was check up what the word "balance" meant.
this commentary is fantastic!! a lot of this could also be said about luke in regards to ben solo and everything that happened between them mirrors this all so well.
From your logic, outside of holy war, the Jedi would be best served by sociopaths that are raised from infancy with the code. It would eliminate emotion and passion allowing for true knowledge to be acquired and with the code of conduct instilled, possibly subliminally from infancy, they would not find it a problem to add to the force upon discorperation of the physical form. This last part would be especially true if they were raised to believe in Force Ghosts and their powers.
One of my favorite storylines in this vein is the mandelorian wars. It was fairly early in the history of the republic and it was just after the jedi had sworn an oath to protect the republic against the sith. However the mandelorians were not sith and so it was a real question of rather they could just sit back and watch the republic burn or if they should become involved in a war in which they really have no stake in since the force is not involved.
So in other words. Luke was right that the old Jedi way needed to end in The Last Jedi. However in doing so he also allows for Rey to rebuild it in a new modern way from a blank state. Ones with less dogma's and restrictions.
the group with dogma will be the dominating force. your proposing an ideology with no back bone and will be crushed by sith never the less. this does seem to be what is in mind for disney.
Reminds me of that video essay about the failure of the Grey Jedi with their main problem being Apathy. The problem with them was that they distanced themselves from the whole Light vs Dark Side conflict rather than taking a more active role in affairs to maintain balance. Was Kreia right?
I've seen that video essay, and that video essay was wrong. It's entirely possible to find a balance between Light and Dark without going into apathy. You need a solid support structure for that, though, especially in one's early years _[and by early years, I mean several decades -- say 5 or 6 or so]_ , but possibly beyond that as well depending on the circumstances. Like Allen explained in the video, the original Je'daii would encourage those who became unbalanced to find their balance again. You need quite a sizeable group to be able to do that consistently to all members of that group. But the point is, it *can* be done.
Ahsim Nreiziev Fuck off. One of his videos are right, The Force is not some Ying and Yang Bullshit, If you talk about the Grey Jedi, you my friend have been corrupted by the Force. Kreia is right all along about the Force. Let's do hope the movies are pulling off Kreia's philosophy; not grey Jedi fanfic. Because if they ever use the idea a balance between the light side and the dark side, the entire idea about the Force is ruined.
+Somerandom Guy You seem mightily offended, just because someone disagreed with your point of view. Or is that just your writing style and am I missing something? At any rate, there is a lot of debate on what the Force is "meant" to be, and as far as I know, George Lucas has never actually come out and flat-out stated what is what. Unless you have a link to prove me wrong and shut me up? Because I'd love to see it. Anyway, under the very reasonable assumption that there is no clear-cut Word of God to settle dispute, we'll have to go off _Star Wars_ itself and also what we can observe in the Real World and how we know that things in said Real World relate to the _Star Wars_ Mythos. So, let's begin. First off, it should be noted that (at least at first glance), what was presented in Episodes IV through VI is different from what was presented in Episode I-III. Since all 6 of those movies are Canon, we'll have to reconcile the 2 depictions of the Force somehow. One way to do that is to note that Episodes I, II and III are prequels -- in fact, they are The Prequels with Capital T and P -- which means they were made after the other 3 movies. This is important because Creators often use later works to *clarify* the meaning of earlier works if those earlier works are largely misunderstood. In the case of the 1st 3 _Star Wars_ movies, it is the case that a lot of fans seem to agree that, in those movies, the Jedi are Pure Good, the Sith are Pure Evil, the use of the Light Side is Always Good, and the use of the Dark Side is Always Bad. This is likely due to the fact that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda are the Wise Mentors, and Wise Mentors are often believed to be Automatically Right, whereas Vader, who tries to convince Luke of the pros of using the Dark Side, is the Iconic Villain, and the Villain is generally believed to be wrong. Yet, Darth Vader was a Sith in those movies, but because he was also Anakin he still had good inside of him and could still be redeemed. And he ultimately defeated the Big Bad, so he can't have been *completely* wrong. Also, Luke used *both* the Light Side and the Dark Side of the Force to fight against Vader and Sidious. So could it be possible that Lucas intended for Vader, Yoda and Obi-Wan to *all* be wrong -- not only on the Dichotomy between Light Side / Dark Side and Jedi/Sith; but also on the destructive nature of emotions and attachments, both factors being instrumental in Luke (and Anakin) saving the Galaxy -- and that it was instead a distillation of *all* their teachings that would lead to the right path? Well, it the hypothesis that Lucas did indeed intend that, and that he meant to clarify matters in The Prequels, the same message should be present there, but much more clearer. And, of course, it was. The Jedi Counsel there is a bunch of Religious Zealots, who brainwash infants and reject anything that even goes *slightly* against their teachings. Furthermore, if the Counsel hadn't been so rigid about Love and hadn't tried to keep Anakin away from Padme, Palpatine would have had no grip on the boy and Anakin would have never turned to the Dark Side, and thus the Jedi would not have disappeared. Essentially, the Hubris, Extremism and Rigidity of the Counsel made them the cause of *their own* demise. So, from that, it seems pretty clear what Lucas intended the Force to be. We could also bring Real Life into this. The Light Side of the Force are the things that are usually seen as being on the "light" side of Human Nature in Eastern Philosophy -- Knowledge, Serenity, Peace, Harmony. Conversely, the Dark Side of the Force are what is often seen as the "darker" side of Human Nature: Passion, Power, Selfishness and Aggression. The thing is: trying to destroy the 'dark side' of Human Nature is a fool's errand, and will only lead to bigger problems. The first reason of course is that it's part of Human *Nature* , and thus can not be erased from any Human. Apart from brainwashing infants, perhaps -- although even on that I am not 100% certain -- but you *REALLY* don't want to go about doing that. A more important reason, however, is that Dark is *not the same thing* as Evil, just as Light *is not the same thing* as Good. For why Light =/= Good, see the "brainwashing infants" thing. Should be more that enough proof for that particular inequality. Now, why isn't Dark the same as Evil? Well, let's run them down, shall we? - Without Passion for things, the is no motivation. And without motivation, one can't act. Or you can only act on orders, like a robot. So if you don't want to become a robot or completely ineffectual, you need Passion. Furthermore, "Passion for other Human Beings" is just the same thing as Empathy. And Empathy is *decidedly* a Good Thing. - The desire to want to be able to take care on oneself is an admirable one. In order to be able to do that, you need some form of Power. Without Power, your only choice is to become a servant to those who *do* have Power, letting them decide what you do and how you do it. Which brings us to: - Individuality, which if you really look at it objectively, is a form of Selfishness. Forbidding people from all forms of Selfishness is stripping them of their individuality, and that makes one a Cult. Furthermore, forming attachments to people (family, friends, loved ones) and taking care of them is also Selfishness. And forcefully separating people from their loved ones, or trying to prevent people from creating new loved ones, is simply *evil* . See the Jedi Counsel of Prequel fame for that. - If there is wrong-doing going on, you need to be able to take it on with all the force _[or Force, he he; bad pun]_ necessary to solve the problem. In other words: without any Aggression whatsoever at all, you will only let Evil thrive. In conclusion, *all four* elements of the "Dark side of Human Nature" have Good things that come out of them. If you erase even one of them, you erase those Good things and are thus doing Evil. There is a *reason* that Zealotry refers to a type of Evil. Specifically, Evil by being too obsessed with so-called "good", and also in refusing to see the merits of the other side. By the way, from this and the 4 points it should also be clear why I don't consider Apathy to be a "grey" path of the Force. Because those in Apathy use *neither* side of the Force, as opposed to both sides. The trick in not becoming Evil is not to focus only on the "light" side of things, because Light =/= Good and Extremism == Zealotry == Evil. It's also not Apathy, because then you're just an empty shell. Finally, the solution is also not to just destroy everything. No, the right solution is always the difficult one. See both the Light and the Dark side of yourself and the Universe as what they are, and use *either* _[or _*_both_*_ if applicable]_ to do what it is that's Good. It's not FanFic. It's Reality.
Obviously Lucas never intended the Jedi to be flawed and corrupt and dogmatic. He intended them to be the epitome of goodness and morality. His poor writing in the prequels was what led to this. That said, I think it is far more interesting to be able to examine things like this and I think it makes the story better when you realize that the Jedi and Sith are two sides to the same coin. If anything the Sith are the more civilized side of the coin because they don’t go around slaughtering people at the drop of a hat like the Jedi do (Geonosis).
JACCO20082012 The portrayal of the Jedi oder as a flawed cult in the prequel movies was way too deliberately done to be considered a “mistake” on Lucas’ part. He just wanted to show why and how the Jedi Order fell and that they had their fair share of flaws that pushed them over the edge into doom.
Bro this is hands down the best video I ever seen to explain how ill equipped the Jedi were totally out up there depth as General's of the GAR.Which Left them on a downward spiral to there own destruction.
The Jedi already was destined to downfall because of their involvement of the wars when they should've stayed in their birth place. That led the jedi to reject the dark side, which they should've embraced the dark and light and balance themselves with the cosmic force
Mace Windu and Yoda both showed little to no emotions in the prequels with the exception of Revenge of the Sith. The only time Mace showed true emotions was when he battled Palpatine and heeded the warning from Anakin that he had control of the Republic. Yoda only shows it when he learns of the Jedi's downfall.
On the ban on marriage/families... With the medichlorian genetics slant in the prequels, the no family thing seems incredibly suicidal for the jedi order, which would require replacements for its members entering into their golden, er, blue ghost years. Medichlorians made being a jedi (or force user in general) a hereditary trait... Kinda like nobility from the medieval ages... You, those people so concerned with maintaining their particular hereditary traits they not only encouraged marriage and kids, but were into arranged marriages...
I struggled one day and failed to find a video either by this channel or geetly's, that said that the users of the force originated from this planet with have two moons, Ashla and Bogan, if a force user had gone to far toward the light or dark they went to one of those moons, the organization of the force users had opposition toward a group of dark side users and their conflict had radicalized both sides, making the light side the jedi and the other sith, the Jedi order would undergo changes that made them dogmatic and made them serve more the galactic republic and not the force and make the jedi order we see in the movies and then on, preparing for a final clash with the sith, though the sith we not going to clash but instead getting fewer but more intelligent, and with that they didn't clash but instead turned the Jedi order's main sponsor against them because the chancellor of the republic was a sith who saw the flaws in the republic andthe order, and enabled the empire to rise Around the end of the video it mentions this judi/jedi that had bad teachings and was expelled from the order never to teach their ways again, but in the time of the prequels the same teachings are being spread in the jedi order
Jason Yergler Finally someone that thinks the same! I find it absolutely abhorring to see hundreds of people defending the Jedi and their actions and try to explain the usage of a literal child slave army with “they didn’t have a choice, Blabla bla”.
the Jedi did not order the creation of a Clone army but a renegade of their ranks Master Sifo Dyas an unwitting proxy of Count Dooku or as his sith name is called "Darth Tyranus",you dumbasses
You're correct. However, the duplicity, stupidity, and hubris of the Jedi created the circumstances that allowed Palpatine to develop and see his plan to fruition.
A war can't be won defensively, the ONLY way to win a war is with offense, unless you WAY surpass the opponent who is taking the offensive stances making them burn through their resources so they have to stop fighting.
I'm pretty sure that Luke Skywalker finally recognized that there can be no balance without allowing equal measures of Dark Side and Light Side of the Force within the individual. One of the greatest mistakes that the modern Jedi made was forbidding relationships and having children which is a natural part of being human/humanoid. It is part of the balance you need.
Wrong the Dark side is corrupting and addictive only the most strong willed, stable should be allowed to use it, to me mace windu is the epitome of "grey jedi". Most wouldn't be able to, that is why most vapaad users fell.
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Its ironic the Jedi fear and hate the dark side and yet such emotions lead to the dark side itself.
Samuel Kerby IRONIC.....
Samuel Kerby Ironic... They could fear and hate something caused by fear and hate.
Samuel Kerby it's not Ironic. Jesus say to be Good you must hate evil.
But by hating evil may like the Jedi lead you to becoming the evil you become only through debate and compromise can a common ground be found
I’ve seen the Jedi as the biggest hypocrites since I was 8. They were against slaves yet owned a slave army. Like, it takes a special kind of stupid to believe the Jedi way was correct.
The Jedi Order failed because, over time, it became dogmatic, and refused to adapt and/or adopt new policies. This is why Luke’s New Jedi Order in the old EU was my favorite Jedi Order: Luke worked so hard to make sure the mistakes of previous generations of Jedi were not repeated. And if that meant changing and/or abolishing certain practices, Luke didn’t hesitate to do exactly that.
The Virgin Old Jedi and the Chad Luke's Jedi
I agreed with you until I heard the exact same quote in the vid.
That's the best version of the order also I really like Kyle kattarn
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Among their greatest flaws was their rejection of human emotions. That's just never going to turn out positively. It's just as flawed as the Dark Side's policy of embracing all negative emotions without restraint.
The jedi code is full of absolutes, yet obiwan says “only a sith deals in absolutes” which is provably false by both the jedi code and that statement
Agreed.
The lightside is balance
Jedi= sith
@@bosskthelizarddude1056 Don’t insult Sith like that
@@bosskthelizarddude1056 I’m not even joking at this point I actively route for the Darkside in every Star Wars movie
More Jedi should've been like Quigon
you mean dead?
@@kkruhk1641 I agree
Yeah, if only they learned to be more individualistic like Qui-Gon and see that if they were going to call themselves champions of the Light Side of the Force then they should act like it such as not caring just about certain rules
Die?
Qui Gon followed the living force he was always completely in the moment.
Luke's criticism of the Jedi order in TLJ was pretty accurate from this point of view. Great vid man!
@I. Th. One way to look at that is that the destruction of his new Jedi Academy at the hands of one his students (partly triggered by him as well) pretty much broke him emotionally and spiritually. Hence the broken Jedi we met in TLJ.
@I. Th. In Legends, Luke NEARLY lost his academy, but in TLJ he DID lose it - he had no students left! There were no survivors except the one who went on to serve Snoke and the Dark Side. Luke's failure here was utter and complete, and obviously sent him into despair. So much so that he didn't even want to train anyone else.
Bullshit
Yes, but that why he should've of changed the order after ROTJ. Not makes those mistakes AGAIN and realize it after.
I kinda miss the old luke, where he was full of hope in revenge of the jedi, but it's more realistic either way of him losing hope
My biggest problem with the Jedi is that it is easy to proclaim moral righteousness when your morals aren't challenged. The first time a Jedi's morals are truly challenged they either break or fall
Most Jedi don't break or fall when their moral are challenged. Literally only Anakin did.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi it wasn't the Council questioning his morals that pushed Ani to the Dark Side, mouthbreather. It was the fifteen years of hypocritical chastising that pushed him over the edge
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi And you think Sidious wouldn’t have found a way to outwit, outsmart and overpower *you* given time? The Sith had spent the better part of a millennium infiltrating every part of the Republic’s infrastructure. They learned how to use even your own tenets to their advantage. What exactly makes you think you would have been able to handle Sidious’s direct manipulations? You cannot defeat your opponent if they already know every move you will make. That’s a confrontation you wouldn’t be able to “high ground” your way out of.
@@jeremyallen5974 lol it wasn't even that. It was simply: "I, as a Sith, have the power to save the only person you're willing to kill and die for. If the Jedi destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost." Anakin was manipulated, the entire time he was a Jedi. And he tried his absolute best to insure he doesn't lose Padme. It's why he only disarmed Windu, its not like he can't just get a new arm. However, Palpatine used that chance to kill him. Anakin realized instantly he fucked up, and believes that all other paths have been closed to him, that this was his only option.
All of this was because of a split second decision, lapse in judgement, and a test of faith that Anakin failed.
The Jedi refused to evolve and many in the order realized this from even the time before Revan who tried to reform the Jedi but was labeled a heretic and hit with a sush order. If the Jedi of old realized Revan was correct then that could have alieviated the problems and suffering the galaxy felt and possibly reunite the Jedi and Sith into one balanced order.
I believe Revan, right next to Qui-Gon, gad the best understanding of the Force period. To him, there was no light and dark. Both had their pros and cons, and deserved equal respect.
I agree.
And yet some people still think that the Dark Side is just a cancer to be cut out of the Force - rather than a half that needs to be reunited with the Light.
that's not entirely true tho, Revan never really balanced the two sides of the Force, he was always in a constant inner struggle between the two
Friendly reminder: peace is a lie, there is only passion
lord spider danny there is the Senate
I Am The Senate
trough strength i gain power
Don't forget though power my chains are broken the force shall free me. (why do most sith forget?)
nicolas achille its through power i gain victory, trough victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me... why do most sith forget????
The New Jedi Order of Luke was much better, they didn't care about the politics of the New Republic.
+Praetorian Guard yea and they had a real enemy to fight the yuuzhan vong
sith> jedi
Except that the politics did end up almost wiping them out after Darth Caedus's fall
Praetorian Guard And they still fall after 100 years of existing.
Somerandom Guy Well, the good thing at least is there were changes with the Luke's New Jedi Order especially being allowed to have a spouse and not kidnapping force-sensitive babies.
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What is this SORCERY?!
Same for me XD
Darth Sidious I've heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise. It didnt say anything about this...
Darth Sidious
It is possible to learn this power (of post a coment before the video is here, or, even made) ?
bono mael not from a Jedi I suppose
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Love the je'daii reference. Wish there were more information on that order. Great video!
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When living in the universe of Star Wars... it helps to be a contrarian! Look at Qui Gon. He had different ideals than the Jedi council and they just cast him aside. The Council grew far too comfortable.
Sith or Imperial, it doesn't matter to me. Just as long as you aren't a Joe...
They all fall to Chaos in the end
exactly my Commander.
Ouch
Jose Rivera joe mama
Who's joe
The balance within oneself is a key point here. There can be no balance when you are a zealot for one side or the other.
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Star Trek Theory you still mad? Must be exhausting.
Star Trek Theory Ok. No sweat here. Night douche mongrel.
+Star Trek Theory
_"Balance doesn't make for good stories"_
You're going to have to back that up with arguments and examples, mate. Because otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.
Also, counterexample(s): _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ and, even more so, _The Legend of Korra_ .
+Star Trek Theory
Actually, it's quite the opposite. You just proved that you are either just trolling, or don't know what you're talking about, and that your comments therefore deserve to be disregarded and even ridiculed, should someone feel so inclined.
True, there is some debate on _The Legend of Korra_ , but most *actual writers* seem to agree the show is extremely well written. But your *REAL* downfall comes in your comment about LoK's predecessor. _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ is *universally* regarded as one of the best, if not THE best, Western Animated Series of all time. On all levels: animation, fighting, World Building, Characters and, yes, Story. There is *literally NO DEBATE* on this. It is therefore also not up to interpretation, but is instead established as objectively true by any conceivable, reasonable metric. You -- and anyone, really -- claiming that it sucked -- let alone using that position to try and prove a point -- means losing any and all credibility from now and for the rest of time.
I too believe in a more grey lining of the force. Modern Jedi and Sith orders are too polarized, however, in The Last Jedi, they had a perfect opportunity for both to merge towards the middle but didn’t. I’m still a bit salty over that. Anyways, great video as usual.
It's because Grey side is nothing but fanfic bullshit and nearly all of the fanbase misunderstood that the light side and dark side is ying and yang bullshit, when in reality it's not ying and yang. This is why I believe the philosophy that Kriea created, and that the only way to bring peace to the Galaxy is to destroy the Force.
Somerandom Guy Thank you. I'm glad that they're are some who understand.
Somerandom Guy destroy the force go home ur drunk
The force is balance, and if you think about it, if every person is balanced in the force, there would just be gray.
SATmaster728 Scholly The Force is an insidious god that creates eternal death and chaos just to create Balance. In other words, the Force is mess up and needs to be destroy.
They failed because, despite being the supposedly wisest beings in the galaxy, not once did any of them consider auditing the defense budget of the Galactic Republic. If they had, they would have noticed massive payments for a clone army and warships *before* Chancellor Palpatine pledged to build a grand army. Jedi Council: great with the force, terrible at accounting.
They probably had no business doing the accounting for the Republic so they had no way of knowing..
@@annnee6818 they only failed when they attach themselves to a corrupted republic that failed them all the time till their downfall.
kev3d The clone army was paid for by Darth Plagues
The Clone Army was paid for by Jedi Master Sifo Dias with money given to him by Darth Plageuis, in his public alter ego of Hego Demask.
Sifo Dias was then killed, leaving the Kaminoan cloners with no knowledge of who was working with Sifo Dias - actually they assumed the Jedi Council were behind the order for a clone army.
And Sifo Dias was dead, meaning the only other people who might know were Count Dooku, Sifo Dias' childhood best friend, and Jango Fett, the clone template.
Jango Fett was working with the Seperatists, and died on Kamino a couple of days after the Clone Army was discovered.
And Dooku led the Seperatists, and wouldn't answer any questions even if they could get hold of him to ask.
All in all, it was a very neat plan that tied up all the loose ends.
In broader perspective, they became complacent and looked too much into the future (at least in Darth Plagueis book). And many other mistakes they did make.
To their credit, weren't the Jedi more or less ordered to enter the war at the behest of the Senate? I don't recall them being like "oh hell yeah let's do this" but were somewhat hesitant. But then again, it's been a few years since I've seen *those* episodes.
But they didn't have to. Jedi are separate from the Senate and no one in the Jedi really questions all that hard who or why the slave clone army came from.
Well the Jedi did started the war first even before they gotten their command or even before the clones arrived. They invaded an outer rim planet that has no ties to the Republic with a hundred jedi to capture Count Dooku who was at the time was their leader of the the outer rim (CIS).. That's like US special forces invading russia to capture Putin. Of course it will start a war.
So no, Jedi were not hesitant, They rushed and invaded, even before jedi invaded another planet they send a single jedi to attack and spy on the said planet before hand.
We deed to much death sticks smh
Obi-Wan Kenobi dew*
Sceptile Tube *did
Obi-wan, the only high ground
Obi-Wan Kenobi y u get the high ground but still let Vader live?
Obi-Wan Kenobi you might need to teach the next generation to have less fear of the dark side so that theoretically the dark side can’t corrupt them as well fear leads to the dark side also you might as well have some teachings of the dark side and wait didn’t you die
They never tackle this kind of stuff in the movies.
Jumbo Cat Studios its too broad for just movies plus they have not touched on the years long b4 ep 1
they do in 8 and 9
I don't know, they did a lot of insinuations in the prequels, lot of implications. After all, Palpatine's words to sway Anakin might as well just be vapor if there weren't signs that Anakin could pick up that the Jedi were failing
They do imply it:
Qui-gon's Rebellion.
Mace and Yoda discussing the Jedi's Clouded vision, and their lessened ability to use the force.
The Hypocrisy of "Keepers of the Peace, not soldiers".
because its just his interpretation of the whole issue it doesn't mean its the actual reality :)
Allen, I love how you pretend you're a part of the StarWars universe... It's entertaining.
+Cyantile pretend?
Cyantile what are you talking about?? , Allen is the one who lead the droid attack on the wookies
These scenes are stories that summarizes Allen's point (in this case, the flaws of the Jedi during and in the 978 years before the Clone Wars).
Are you on something?
Arv. D Ah, I remember that...
Obi-Wan: "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them, bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness"
Nope, he definitely brought balance to the force. Before there was an entire order of Jedi & just 2 Sith. After order 66, it was pretty much even. Just saying, Anakin definitely matched his prophecy.
Thomas Wende Yep. The dogmatic and idiotic Jedi Order or rather its high council did obviously not know what “balance” freaking means!
I still say that Anakin fulfilled the prophesy by bringing Luke and Leia to the universe. Both were force users, yet luke was jedi, and leia a politician. Luke taught all aspects of the force, both light and dark. Leia as a senator made choices best for the republic, not individual pieces of the republic. Luke and Leia brought balance, so in a sense, Anakin brought balance to the force.
There were tens of youngling outposts across the galaxy and many more Jedi masters, just over a hundred still searching for force users.
Yeah it wasn’t gonna happen the way they thought it would happen the prophecy that is
Thomas Wende despite himself though. The force uses its users, wether they like it or not, in ways the users can’t see.
Dude, that was a fantastic analysis!
UndoRedo indeed. Great insight into the human condition as told through the story of the Jedi
Something seems vaguely familiar with the Jedi shunning emotion anyone else remembers the dystopian flick Equilibrium?
+CV & K gunkata
Not without incident.
Any time you polaruze a belief, you establish parameters that limit actions and balance. Jedi and Sith did just that. Jedi Code essentially says, "I will use intillect, knowledge, peace, understanding, etc... to control my actions and will not use my powers to harm anyone overtly or willfully. I will defend myself if attacked and if I must (kill some one) in defense of myself or others.". The Sith essentially says, "I will use power to personally advance myself. I will use emotions to power me. I will kill (in the course of my belief). I will use knowledge to my personal gain. I will grow more powerful in the use of emotion.". ::P Jedi polarized to the point that the Order forbade "dark arts" . Palpatine used this fact to "court" Anikan. In a way, Palpatine was correct. The Order did limit Annikan's development. The "dark side" did not limit development (as the order did). ::P the Grey Jedi had the most difficult time. they balanced themselves between "Dark" and "light". Said balance is extremely difficult. It requires a very dedicated person (one who can use both "dark" and "light" forces). The celebcy law also did not help. It hurt. It gave the Jedi a rather limited view on life (no love for another). It also aided the Jedi in that such emotions would create problems with intellectual management. In a way, the sith were correct. Te Jedi Order created their own destruction.
You could have love just no attachment.
@@fightingmedialounge519 That'll just might work as just as well!
"the men and women that fought under them" and the children. The children too..
CJ Truong and teenagers
I like this analysis & breakdown of the historical events that led to the fall of the Jedi. I always felt Lucas consistently made the case that the Jedi had become too mired in the politics of the Republic. And that their involvement with the Clone Wars was also motivated by their choice to assume "political" responsibility for the creation of the Jedi commissioned clone army. An element that likely fed the mistrust that led to later accusations they started the war on purpose.
The thing I wish more people, understood that Lucas made a point of in ROTS, was that everything we fans generally know about the Force comes from the belief system of the Jedi & Sith. And that there's likely an infinite amount of ways it could be interpreted and harnessed. The light & dark are dynamics of Jedi philosophy but that doesn't necessarily mean they represent the most vital aspects of the Force. In fact, episodes of the Clone Wars series straight up allude to that.
I'm really looking forward to seeing new factions in Star Wars that embrace the binding energy of the universe in their own interesting ways like the Nightsisters of Dathomir or the Imperial Knights of the Star Wars Legacy comic. The Last Jedi alludes to this possibility but that only makes me wish they'd started the new trilogy with that in mind in the first place. Thanks again for these fun explorations of the lore.
I think that as well! Episode III actually has an excellent story, but the dialogue and pacing is terrible. That KOTOR really made me rethink my thoughts on the Jedi, and their often hypocritical actions.
I'm curious on your opinion on star wars now that it's absolutely failed in every way to even tackle a single one of the points you made.
What happened to the Jedi during the mandalorian wars in KOTOR should have been a terrible reminder of how badly war can destroy even a jedi regardless of if they survive it or not.
The Jedi Order. A increasingly rigid system and structure that often becomes a controlling force over time as it tries to maintain ideals that become outdated by the changing nature of each new generation.
The resulting consequences of this, is that those who were once liberators now grow to become dictators as they begin to assert control over others believing that their own self righteousness is the only way to maintain order.
This leads into Sith territory as the increasing dictatorial and rebellious mindsets that spawn from these conditions are driven by emotion and not reason.
Oppression and Destruction follows.
In truth. Both the Jedi and the Sith are wrong. Natures path cannot be conformed to a simple template of dominance or order. Nature is dynamic and forever changing.
The same applies to people and it applies to society.
Adapt to the changing nature, or the changing nature will wipe you out.
Indeed👽
It is ok to be Imperial.
Vítězslav Zpěvak I feel u
The Empire is the first to fall to Chaos!
and white
It's ok to be the good guy
By saying this, you just said it's okay to be fine with the destruction of over five planets and everything unique about them, the races, the flora, and the fauna. If it was YOUR planet getting blown to smithereens, and YOU were left alive, and forced to find a new home, it would be very different. Think how Leia must have felt when seeing Alderaans destruction.
I’m curious about the Bendu and the force creatures on Lothal
OH THANK YOU ALAN. I keep thinking I'm taking crazy pills or something. Qui Gon was the ONLY one who had a clue and they killed him off. I wish he would be a Force Ghost. I think the point of the prequels, even though people hate them, was to SHOW just how rigid, strict, dogmatic and STUPID the Jedi actually were and how they were just as bad as the Sith.
+Shannon Reynolds yea losing qui gon was a huge blow for the jedi
Yoda said Qui-Gonn had figured out how to Force-Ghost at the end of RotS, and that Yoda and Obi-wan should probably talk to him about it. I had hoped that meant we'd see him at some point, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
In the show, it says Qui-gönn was the first to figure this version of immortality, one where you live in the force, not held together by it like the Sith do. Qui-gönn tells Yoda how to obtain it.
I think Qui Gon makes a force ghost appearance in the clone wars series.
It was stupid that Disney killed off the New Jedi Order.
Maybe the Jedi under Luke Skywalker in Canon will be written to be an organization like the New Jedi Order in Legends. We know very little about what is only referred to as "Luke Skywalker's Jedi", or simply "a new generation of Jedi", for Canon only existed for three years. In comparison, there is plenty of information on the New Jedi Order from Legends (a universe that existed for thirty-six years, and that's not counting expansions of Star Wars: The Old Republic that came out after Disney's purchase of Star Wars in 2014).
Kilory - STAR WARS nope 👎🏻. Disney ruined Star Wars by erasing 97% of Star Wars lore.
+One Piece I'm not sure if you read my comment, but I will stop attacking your opinion now. All opinions are okay. You can hate post-2014 canon, while I can like the post-2014 canon. Refund what post-2014 content you have, continue reading, watching and/or playing what you like.
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
´´Ironic. The Jedi, who rejected attachments, had a powerful attachment with the Republic and that was their undoing.´´
Allen aren't you afraid the Coruscant police will track you using this Video?
inform the emperor, get this man a medal. his paper should be widely published.
As Archduke, I shall honor Alan with an Academic Prestige Diploma.
this. this is why i loved the prequels. the execution may have been sloppy, but the core idea was brilliant. the movies may have fucked it up, but the clone wars series made up for it, IMO.
Here's the problem: This "tolerant" belief that you talk about that would have "saved" the Jedi is EXACTLY why the New Republic fell. They signed a treaty with the Empire/First Order, and refused to take action against them. This allowed the First Order to build an army, navy, and superweapon to destroy the New Republic. Sometimes, the only thing you can do is to strike down your enemy without mercy, especially one that has proven to have a complete lack of empathy for individual life. They built not one, but two weapons that could destroy entire planets. What is it to say they wouldn't build a third?
+halrold that’s the thing tho the Jedi should either be geared towards war our in my opinion left out of it. The Jedi were extremely capable soldiers but not all of them were great tacticians. In the end most battles aren’t 1 vs 1 hero duels but about larger units. And the clones were the finest soldiers in the galaxy give them a good general who doesn’t have to follow a Jedi code and you have unstoppable force.
Generation Tech Exactly!
Yeah, a classic case of lawful stupid. It isn't that the new Republic being honorable is bad but they refused to not abide by their agreement even when the other side was ignoring their obligations. Obedience to law took precedence over good sense. An agreement only works when both parties follow it. If one is only doing lip service to it then that opens up all sorts of complications. Like war.
I hardly say they failed, they succeeded in keeping peace for generations
1000 years, or more. Now, lets talk about the Rebel Alliance...
.....and then they failed
...until they didn't.
I have a little trouble with something that includes "there is no emotion"
Because they were so small-minded and had a completly wrong understanding of the word "balance".
Now let's see what you have to say, Generation Tech.
Yes, somewhat, on the small-mindness, no, on the wrong understanding of balance. Balance was achieved when Anakin killed the Emperor at the cost of his life.
Grand Admiral Thrawn The Jedi really didn’t grasp what “balance” means. They were openly talking about how Anakin, the chosen one, would bring balance to the force and “exterminate the sith”. A hundred thousand light side users and zero dark siders is *balanced* ? Yeahhhhh, tooootally.
It doesn't matter if there were a thousand Jedi or just one. Balance in the Force isn't achieved with the number of Jedi or the number of Sith as they have no bearing on it. The Force exists whether there is Jedi or not. Balance was achieved when Anakin killed the Emperor; this is confirmed by George Lucas in the ROTS audio commentary.
Grand Admiral Thrawn wow. That’s what I’d call a big-ass plothole
+TeoTeoTeo No, it's unbalanced if the dark and the light isn't used equally. If you put two black weights on one side and 100 white weights on the other with all weights having the same, well, weight, you have an unbalance. If you remove all the weights of one side you have even more of an unbalance.
The music in this video is an odd choice but it works very well. Makes you feel for the Jedi a lot.
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+J Wolf wow use a public forum why don’t you
finals got me desperate man.
J Wolf Is that legal ?
only if you dont get caught.
NoobDeGuerra I WILL MAKE IT LEGAL!!!
Would love to see a Humanity Shot First tshirt!
I'm still a jedi but yeah i can say the order had problems.
+Devin Brown goooood
a portion of the jedi remained in the order but did not agree with the council's decisions
I'd love a neutral faction in later Star Wars history (post-empire) and in these stories this organization is viewed as hostile or evil by our jedi protagonists but slowly... bit by bit... they realize that the neutral faction is right and end up working with this faction to dismantle the new jedi order
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion I gain Strength.
Through Strength I gain Power.
Through Power I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
Reven said that in order for the sith to be strong it wasn't necessary for a massive horde to exist but merely 2 souls, a master and a student, one to embody power and one to learn and eventually usurp power through ritual combat. by spending time growing in power and teaching 1 person your ways and eventually falling to their blade ensured that each new generation of sith would be stronger, while the jedi would mediate the peace the hidden sith would amass power until the time was right, it might happen tomorrow it might happpen 10,000 years from not but one day the day will come when a sith lord would rule the galaxy.....
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flash to the Emperor's throne room circa Battle of Endor...oops, the sith must try again
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flash to when luke tries to kill his nephew....wait what??
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flash to when luke projects his image across a vast distance.....wait, you can do that? so now the jedi done finally outdid the sith and have a skill we lack WTF?
SW is broken man, it's broke I say lolz
The Dark Siders felt betrayed because they had been. The Jedi didn't exile them. That was the propaganda they put out to seem merciful. They put the Dark Siders in a ship programmed to go and never stop, till it ran out of energy and everyone aboard died. But that didn't happen. Probably, some Dark Siders may have seized control and stopped the ship near a habitable planet - which was the planet of the Sith. Then their plan for revenge began. But meanwhile, the Jedi continued to hunt and destroy ANYONE who used the force in any manner and refused to become a part of the Jedi. They did this till they felt all threats (because anyone who used the force and thought differently then them, was now the enemy), were eliminated. In the end, both Jedi and The Sith, brought about their own destruction.
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To be fair on the Jedi Order, you must remember they spent ONE THOUSAND YEARS without an incident of a Sith Lord. Enough to make them think they are extinct.
Meanwhile, the Sith have evolved. They hid, letting the Jedi rest in their power. They waited for the jedi to become complacent, clouding the Jedi vision with the Dark side. Then they attacked.
To summarise, 1000 years is not a bad mark. Now lets talk about the Rebel Alliance, the New Republic and Luke's Order...
The truth has been spoken 👌
Thanks to channels like yours I was inspired to write an essay on this exact topic and actually submitted it to a contest.
The emperor would probably publish your video now that the Jedi order fell.
You hands down are the BEST youtuber on Star Wars. I hope you're always here.
Your super nerdy kayfabe won me over by the end lol
I like how you emerge yourself in the Star Wars universe. Keep up the good work!
The thing that always bothers me is that Obi wans statement is yes an absolute but he is not dealing in an absolute in the statement. Dealing in an absolute was what Anakin did by saying if you are not with me then you are my enemy which is dealing with only two options.
Dealing in absolutes is truly what the jedi does. If you attempt to play a relatively light side Sith warrior in SWTOR, the encounters you have with jedi mostly goes the same way, they deem you evil, you fight, you defeat them, and spare their life, wich they can't almost never wrap their head around, they can't understand why a sith would not want to kill just for the sake of it. It really put into perspective for me how narrowminded the jedi really are, even if that game isn't considered cannon anymore.
Imagine what would happen if the Jedi Order was composed of force-sensitive Vulcans...
Excellent dude!! A good understanding of what the Jedi order went through.
Space Marine recruitment is more hardcore.
Paladin Demo Heretic
The Last Knight what me?
yes, but space marines are genetically engineered super soldiers, an organic cyborg if you will and were made for war and protecting the imperium. the tau even refer to them as living weapons which is technically correct. they are totally different from the jedi in terms of how they function and serve the society.
hbme2103 remember they have to be natural born killers by age ten to be considered a recruit.
The Jedi thought that balance meant destroying the dark side. They're so over their heads that all they had to do was check up what the word "balance" meant.
This is the very lesson luke learned in all his time in exile.
this commentary is fantastic!! a lot of this could also be said about luke in regards to ben solo and everything that happened between them mirrors this all so well.
From your logic, outside of holy war, the Jedi would be best served by sociopaths that are raised from infancy with the code.
It would eliminate emotion and passion allowing for true knowledge to be acquired and with the code of conduct instilled, possibly subliminally from infancy, they would not find it a problem to add to the force upon discorperation of the physical form. This last part would be especially true if they were raised to believe in Force Ghosts and their powers.
"Look, the Jedi Order failed!'
"Pft, that wasn't REAL Jedi-ism!"
the Sith evolved with the times. the Jedi never did.
One of my favorite storylines in this vein is the mandelorian wars. It was fairly early in the history of the republic and it was just after the jedi had sworn an oath to protect the republic against the sith. However the mandelorians were not sith and so it was a real question of rather they could just sit back and watch the republic burn or if they should become involved in a war in which they really have no stake in since the force is not involved.
So in other words. Luke was right that the old Jedi way needed to end in The Last Jedi.
However in doing so he also allows for Rey to rebuild it in a new modern way from a blank state. Ones with less dogma's and restrictions.
the group with dogma will be the dominating force. your proposing an ideology with no back bone and will be crushed by sith never the less. this does seem to be what is in mind for disney.
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Reminds me of that video essay about the failure of the Grey Jedi with their main problem being Apathy. The problem with them was that they distanced themselves from the whole Light vs Dark Side conflict rather than taking a more active role in affairs to maintain balance. Was Kreia right?
I've seen that video essay, and that video essay was wrong. It's entirely possible to find a balance between Light and Dark without going into apathy. You need a solid support structure for that, though, especially in one's early years _[and by early years, I mean several decades -- say 5 or 6 or so]_ , but possibly beyond that as well depending on the circumstances. Like Allen explained in the video, the original Je'daii would encourage those who became unbalanced to find their balance again. You need quite a sizeable group to be able to do that consistently to all members of that group.
But the point is, it *can* be done.
Ahsim Nreiziev Fuck off. One of his videos are right, The Force is not some Ying and Yang Bullshit, If you talk about the Grey Jedi, you my friend have been corrupted by the Force.
Kreia is right all along about the Force.
Let's do hope the movies are pulling off Kreia's philosophy; not grey Jedi fanfic. Because if they ever use the idea a balance between the light side and the dark side, the entire idea about the Force is ruined.
+Somerandom Guy
You seem mightily offended, just because someone disagreed with your point of view. Or is that just your writing style and am I missing something?
At any rate, there is a lot of debate on what the Force is "meant" to be, and as far as I know, George Lucas has never actually come out and flat-out stated what is what. Unless you have a link to prove me wrong and shut me up? Because I'd love to see it.
Anyway, under the very reasonable assumption that there is no clear-cut Word of God to settle dispute, we'll have to go off _Star Wars_ itself and also what we can observe in the Real World and how we know that things in said Real World relate to the _Star Wars_ Mythos.
So, let's begin. First off, it should be noted that (at least at first glance), what was presented in Episodes IV through VI is different from what was presented in Episode I-III. Since all 6 of those movies are Canon, we'll have to reconcile the 2 depictions of the Force somehow. One way to do that is to note that Episodes I, II and III are prequels -- in fact, they are The Prequels with Capital T and P -- which means they were made after the other 3 movies.
This is important because Creators often use later works to *clarify* the meaning of earlier works if those earlier works are largely misunderstood. In the case of the 1st 3 _Star Wars_ movies, it is the case that a lot of fans seem to agree that, in those movies, the Jedi are Pure Good, the Sith are Pure Evil, the use of the Light Side is Always Good, and the use of the Dark Side is Always Bad. This is likely due to the fact that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda are the Wise Mentors, and Wise Mentors are often believed to be Automatically Right, whereas Vader, who tries to convince Luke of the pros of using the Dark Side, is the Iconic Villain, and the Villain is generally believed to be wrong. Yet, Darth Vader was a Sith in those movies, but because he was also Anakin he still had good inside of him and could still be redeemed. And he ultimately defeated the Big Bad, so he can't have been *completely* wrong. Also, Luke used *both* the Light Side and the Dark Side of the Force to fight against Vader and Sidious.
So could it be possible that Lucas intended for Vader, Yoda and Obi-Wan to *all* be wrong -- not only on the Dichotomy between Light Side / Dark Side and Jedi/Sith; but also on the destructive nature of emotions and attachments, both factors being instrumental in Luke (and Anakin) saving the Galaxy -- and that it was instead a distillation of *all* their teachings that would lead to the right path? Well, it the hypothesis that Lucas did indeed intend that, and that he meant to clarify matters in The Prequels, the same message should be present there, but much more clearer. And, of course, it was. The Jedi Counsel there is a bunch of Religious Zealots, who brainwash infants and reject anything that even goes *slightly* against their teachings. Furthermore, if the Counsel hadn't been so rigid about Love and hadn't tried to keep Anakin away from Padme, Palpatine would have had no grip on the boy and Anakin would have never turned to the Dark Side, and thus the Jedi would not have disappeared. Essentially, the Hubris, Extremism and Rigidity of the Counsel made them the cause of *their own* demise. So, from that, it seems pretty clear what Lucas intended the Force to be.
We could also bring Real Life into this. The Light Side of the Force are the things that are usually seen as being on the "light" side of Human Nature in Eastern Philosophy -- Knowledge, Serenity, Peace, Harmony. Conversely, the Dark Side of the Force are what is often seen as the "darker" side of Human Nature: Passion, Power, Selfishness and Aggression. The thing is: trying to destroy the 'dark side' of Human Nature is a fool's errand, and will only lead to bigger problems. The first reason of course is that it's part of Human *Nature* , and thus can not be erased from any Human. Apart from brainwashing infants, perhaps -- although even on that I am not 100% certain -- but you *REALLY* don't want to go about doing that. A more important reason, however, is that Dark is *not the same thing* as Evil, just as Light *is not the same thing* as Good. For why Light =/= Good, see the "brainwashing infants" thing. Should be more that enough proof for that particular inequality. Now, why isn't Dark the same as Evil? Well, let's run them down, shall we?
- Without Passion for things, the is no motivation. And without
motivation, one can't act. Or you can only act on orders, like a
robot. So if you don't want to become a robot or completely
ineffectual, you need Passion. Furthermore, "Passion for other
Human Beings" is just the same thing as Empathy. And Empathy
is *decidedly* a Good Thing.
- The desire to want to be able to take care on oneself is an
admirable one. In order to be able to do that, you need some
form of Power.
Without Power, your only choice is to become a servant to those
who *do* have Power, letting them decide what you do and how
you do it.
Which brings us to:
- Individuality, which if you really look at it objectively, is a form of
Selfishness. Forbidding people from all forms of Selfishness is
stripping them of their individuality, and that makes one a Cult.
Furthermore, forming attachments to people (family, friends,
loved ones) and taking care of them is also Selfishness. And
forcefully separating people from their loved ones, or trying to
prevent people from creating new loved ones, is simply *evil* .
See the Jedi Counsel of Prequel fame for that.
- If there is wrong-doing going on, you need to be able to take it
on with all the force _[or Force, he he; bad pun]_ necessary to
solve the problem. In other words: without any Aggression
whatsoever at all, you will only let Evil thrive.
In conclusion, *all four* elements of the "Dark side of Human Nature" have Good things that come out of them. If you erase even one of them, you erase those Good things and are thus doing Evil.
There is a *reason* that Zealotry refers to a type of Evil. Specifically, Evil by being too obsessed with so-called "good", and also in refusing to see the merits of the other side. By the way, from this and the 4 points it should also be clear why I don't consider Apathy to be a "grey" path of the Force. Because those in Apathy use *neither* side of the Force, as opposed to both sides.
The trick in not becoming Evil is not to focus only on the "light" side of things, because Light =/= Good and Extremism == Zealotry == Evil. It's also not Apathy, because then you're just an empty shell. Finally, the solution is also not to just destroy everything. No, the right solution is always the difficult one. See both the Light and the Dark side of yourself and the Universe as what they are, and use *either* _[or _*_both_*_ if applicable]_ to do what it is that's Good.
It's not FanFic. It's Reality.
Sometimes all it takes is a little push haha.
You gave Obi-Wan his Lightsaber back.
And that is why Chaos would corrupt everything
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Obviously Lucas never intended the Jedi to be flawed and corrupt and dogmatic. He intended them to be the epitome of goodness and morality. His poor writing in the prequels was what led to this.
That said, I think it is far more interesting to be able to examine things like this and I think it makes the story better when you realize that the Jedi and Sith are two sides to the same coin.
If anything the Sith are the more civilized side of the coin because they don’t go around slaughtering people at the drop of a hat like the Jedi do (Geonosis).
JACCO20082012 The portrayal of the Jedi oder as a flawed cult in the prequel movies was way too deliberately done to be considered a “mistake” on Lucas’ part.
He just wanted to show why and how the Jedi Order fell and that they had their fair share of flaws that pushed them over the edge into doom.
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I think Bariss did that to get Ashoka exiled from the jedi though things went a lot further than she had anticipated.
mmm death sticks ... and yeah hopefully with Reis lack of training will help her to develop a new Jedi order that is more grey.
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This is one of the best videos you have ever put out. I totally love this channel.
you would like this palps
Darth Sidious praise lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine
(Waves hand) "You don't want to sell me deathsticks"
Bro this is hands down the best video I ever seen to explain how ill equipped the Jedi were totally out up there depth as General's of the GAR.Which Left them on a downward spiral to there own destruction.
The Jedi already was destined to downfall because of their involvement of the wars when they should've stayed in their birth place.
That led the jedi to reject the dark side, which they should've embraced the dark and light and balance themselves with the cosmic force
Honestly I didn’t like that jedi rule of no emotion, I mean that’s the one thing that makes us human
You are indeed 100% correct
Mace Windu and Yoda both showed little to no emotions in the prequels with the exception of Revenge of the Sith. The only time Mace showed true emotions was when he battled Palpatine and heeded the warning from Anakin that he had control of the Republic. Yoda only shows it when he learns of the Jedi's downfall.
On the ban on marriage/families... With the medichlorian genetics slant in the prequels, the no family thing seems incredibly suicidal for the jedi order, which would require replacements for its members entering into their golden, er, blue ghost years.
Medichlorians made being a jedi (or force user in general) a hereditary trait... Kinda like nobility from the medieval ages... You, those people so concerned with maintaining their particular hereditary traits they not only encouraged marriage and kids, but were into arranged marriages...
Watching order 66 unfold is still hilarious
Watching Boba fett to a blind man is hilarious
Steven Anchundia seeing weak Jedi go down is way more satisfying
it was sad!
i survived it!
I struggled one day and failed to find a video either by this channel or geetly's, that said that the users of the force originated from this planet with have two moons, Ashla and Bogan, if a force user had gone to far toward the light or dark they went to one of those moons, the organization of the force users had opposition toward a group of dark side users and their conflict had radicalized both sides, making the light side the jedi and the other sith, the Jedi order would undergo changes that made them dogmatic and made them serve more the galactic republic and not the force and make the jedi order we see in the movies and then on, preparing for a final clash with the sith, though the sith we not going to clash but instead getting fewer but more intelligent, and with that they didn't clash but instead turned the Jedi order's main sponsor against them because the chancellor of the republic was a sith who saw the flaws in the republic andthe order, and enabled the empire to rise
Around the end of the video it mentions this judi/jedi that had bad teachings and was expelled from the order never to teach their ways again, but in the time of the prequels the same teachings are being spread in the jedi order
In the prequels, the Jedi were the bad guys. They bred a slave race of soldiers...how much more evil does it get than that?
Jason Yergler Finally someone that thinks the same! I find it absolutely abhorring to see hundreds of people defending the Jedi and their actions and try to explain the usage of a literal child slave army with “they didn’t have a choice, Blabla bla”.
the Jedi did not order the creation of a Clone army but a renegade of their ranks Master Sifo Dyas an unwitting proxy of Count Dooku or as his sith name is called "Darth Tyranus",you dumbasses
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You're correct. However, the duplicity, stupidity, and hubris of the Jedi created the circumstances that allowed Palpatine to develop and see his plan to fruition.
Jason Yergler Exactly.
Surprised they didn't drop the charges after Order 66.
Excute order 66
Then the Jedi worship Chaos out of desperation
And then they kill the Clones and Sith
Yes my lord
Blast him!
order 66 never got me
Don’t steal me line
Oh, nice video BTW. I always enjoy watching them and have referred your channel to a lot of people because they are so interesting.
+Shannon Reynolds thanks I appreciate it
what form of media is that footage from Old Republic period? I've never played the video games... is that what it is?
+MannyK8705 it’s from the mmorpg which is kinda bleh... it’s no kotor
Great wisdom you have...
THANK YOU. Your assessment of the Jedi matches my own conclusion of why the Jedi Order is flawed and deserved a good thrashing.
I like this guy well spoken and thoughtful.
Because they weren’t anti-ali… uh i mean humanity supporters
A war can't be won defensively, the ONLY way to win a war is with offense, unless you WAY surpass the opponent who is taking the offensive stances making them burn through their resources so they have to stop fighting.
I'm pretty sure that Luke Skywalker finally recognized that there can be no balance without allowing equal measures of Dark Side and Light Side of the Force within the individual. One of the greatest mistakes that the modern Jedi made was forbidding relationships and having children which is a natural part of being human/humanoid. It is part of the balance you need.
Wrong the Dark side is corrupting and addictive only the most strong willed, stable should be allowed to use it, to me mace windu is the epitome of "grey jedi". Most wouldn't be able to, that is why most vapaad users fell.
It's not even the video its the music that gets you
Nick Montagnese what’s the song called