I now want there to be an alternate scene regarding this. Obi-Wan: Only a sith deals in absolutes. Anakin: (turns around) isn't that in itself an absolute? Obi-Wan:........ Anakin: (flashes shit eating grin) Obi-Wan: *implodes*
Jacob Stelwagon I don't believe that killing off the Jedi helped bring balance to the force. Like Obi-wan said, Anakin left the force further unbalanced in darkness by killing them.
Knasterreal1 Until Rosa came and caused the Resistance to lose. Screw Rey and most of the Sequel characters! Anakin and Luke Skywalker are the true heroes!
@@Yeentenology Qui Gonn would be shaking his head. He thought the Republic were a bunch of hypocrites and the Jedi should not be beholden to them. In fact, I wish his Force Ghost had come up and clocked Obi Wan on the head with a stick. Or a lightsaber. Not activated of course.
There is emotion, yet peace There is Serenity, yet passion There is Chaos, yet harmony There is no life without death I serve the Balance and through it the force shall guide me.
When you won an ancient power struggle against another space cult that was just as evil as yours, you get to define what is good and evil from your "point of view".
@@sliccthedestroyer1881 and that's called misinformation and white lies. that's even worse, great things can be lose do to that and only the corrupt prosper until they to fall to ruin. aka Soviat Russia
Essentially the Jedi Order believed itself to be completely and absolutely good, therefore it forbade it’s members to have any kind of attachments physically or even emotionally. The problem with with this thinking is that when Jedi came to brushes or even experience the dark side they did not know how to properly deal with the temptations of the Dark Side, which left them MUCH more vulnerable. It’s like a straight A student in high school who had never ever gotten an F moving onto college, they don’t know the experience of failure and how to learn from it. The Jedi were fundamentally flawed the moment they decided to dedicate themselves to the Light, it was only a matter of time when they fell
Michael Nguyen literally the perfect example. I didn’t do great in school but when I went to college I did better cause I knew what it was like to fail.
basically this, the Order decided instead to teach how to deal with attachment and emotion so to not being tempted to the dark side, to take the 'easy' way and forbid them as it this will have resolved everything or as someone in another board pointed out, it probably started as a 'suggestion' that a proper Jedi must avoid attachement so to dedicate fully to the force and be a more impartial negotiatior and later when the order fossilized it become a dogma. And just movie and tv shows clearly demonstrate how this was true only in theory, many jedi/padawan pairing act like parent/children or older sibling/younger sibling even if they don't admit because organic being usually crave attachment and emotional closeness
And yet the Jedi allowed the Master/Apprentice bond. Isn't that a little hypocritical. They claim to have no need for attachment yet that attachment is required to pair a master with a student.
"They have unbalanced The Force"... I'd assumed that's what the whole series was about: showing how neither side truly speaks for The Force, and how they are both wrong about their interpretations. I know I'm probably wrong, but that was always my take away.
No, you do make a good point. Maybe in the distant past, the Jedi were exactly the peace keepers they imagine themselves to be. Over time though, they themselves became complacent; comfortable in their small role with the Republic, becoming just as corrupt as the system they defended.
@Ignacio Jimenez Anglinthey were because they let the corrupt Republic dictate their actions. Were they still true to their beliefs, they wouldn't have gotten involved in the war, and maybe even went to neutral territory to avoid the conflict. They are peacekeepers not soldiers. If the peace is broken then they have nothing to keep or fight for, and thus have nothing to do the the government who is itself at war. They would have done what Satine believed they should have done. They would have went only to places when the War hasn't reached yet and would've kept the peace there.
I personally think you are wrong. The Jedi weren’t blinded by light, they were blinded by politics. They became servants of the republic first and not servente of the Force. BUT, They were still doing more of It’s will than most. Of course, Palpatine had a hand in it as he orchestrated the war, putting the whole Jedi Order in a bad spot. Qui Gon Jinn is who was right the entire time. If it wasn’t for Palpatine and the Republic, the Jedi wouldn’t have lost their way. They were still heroes in my opinion, they were just not good enough to stop what was going to happen.
The polarization of both sides unbalanced the Force. The Sith used emotion as their base reason to exist and abandoned intellect as a balance. The Jedi used intellect as their base reason to exist and abandoned their human emotions. If you mixed the two, you have the Gray Jedi (of whom both sides did not appreciate).
@@davidgiles4681 Sith used intellect all the time. Their focus changed by individual by individual. You know geniuses like Plagueis and so forth. Loads of intellect.
@@ravenstrategist1325 Yes and no. Yes, they used intellect. But, emotions powered the intellect. Depending upon the emotional value they put on a certain act or set of acts, thier emotion powered the intellectual pursuit of those actions. Do not get me wrong. Emotions and intellect must be balanced. the balance is that Sith had the pendulum swing more on the emotion powered intellectual pursuits. An example is the destruction of the Jedi. that goal was (in some areas righteous anger). But, it also created individuals who had potentially unstable personalities. In order for a Sith to become a master, he had to kill his master - only the strong survive. that in it's own right is valid. In Nature, only the strong survuve and continue the order (Bane's Rule of Two). The Jedi were the complete opposite. they had intellect that suppressed emotion (not sex, love, family, attractions [that could cause emotional out put - that would potentially lead to hate ... dark side]). the Jedi took emotions and buried them under intellect. they too had potentially unstable personalities. But, the fascade of "intellectual pursuit" - over the emotional equation also had it's negative results. the Jedi worked as an organization - that is good. But, this Org was based upon intellect overcoming emotional arguements. Anakin Sky Walker proved that emotions were not correct (if left unchecked and unbalanced - suppose if Anakin said, "I am married and I will be a Jedi. I do not care. You take me as I am or not at all.". The council would be forced to either take him as he was or discharge him. Luke Shywalker was married to Mara Jade and had a son. He allowed "attachments" and the "new order" worked because of it. I am sure that some "disputes" rose. His emotional "attachment" to Pademe was his downfall. The Sith used the supression of his wife and future kid(s) as a lever to turn him to the dark side. If the Jedi had balanced "attachments" and intellect, the dark Side would not have had that sway. You see that the Jedi did not value emotion and intellect as two sides of the same coin. So did not the Sith see that intellect and emotion were the same sides of the coin. To balance this, one must have emotional contacts and or "attachments" and still be able to use intellect to reach the goal. the person(s) must then be balanced in both - not one tipping the other. I used Vulcans (ST) as an example. Every 7 yrs, they must mate or die (physically).
Well, Jedi also have emotions even though they are preaching otherwise. They constantly care about their Padawans or Masters or friends. Because, surprise, most species Jedi come from live socially and social animals tend to form attachments, otherwise we call them psychopaths.
In fairness. They told Anakin to stay put in that ship to hide out. He just did it behind their backs since he was technically doing what he was told and wanted to. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes. " is also hypocritical since the statement itself is an absolute. The Jedi who break away from the Council do the most good.
That is why you become a good Dark Jedi. You have both capabilities of the dark side and the light side so you can be more powerful than the Jedi which means you more helpful. And you do not have to deal with all the stupid rules of the Jedi.
@@darthaghast that’s bs. George Lucas himself says there is no such thing as gray Jedi. The utmost level a Jedi could reach, was that of Qui Gon Jinn. He was the pure Jedi the Force wanted the Jedi to become. Read his comic.
@@theapexfighter8741 Agree with you on the "using both the light and dark" is wrong, though the canonical/not fanon version of gray Jedi is defined as Jedi who didn't listen to the Council, ie Qui-Gon, but it could also encompass Light Side users who were not part of the order, ie Ahsoka after she left.
Sugar. Calories. Sunlight. Yeah, there's lots of examples that prove that simple message. Strange how with thousands of years of experience, the Jedi couldn't grasp that simple idea.
A Jedi doesn't exist within the order but is dormant within a force wielder and it takes a master and Padawan to unlock their true potential(I know u can get to nerdy with this stuff but I don't care).
I grew up with the Original trilogy where you didn't really get much info on the Jedi or Sith other than " Jedi Good" "Sith Bad". When the prequels came out I watched them the 1st time just to watch them and get caught up in the moment. Than watched them again and paying more attention to things. My view is the Jedi and Sith are polar extremes of the same thing the Force. Neither side really paying attention to the will of the Force and keeping the balance
You know what always bugged me? "You were supposed to be the Chosen One! ...To bring balance to the Force!" Ummmm... ok At that point the Jedi had a big, influential temple and hundreds of Jedi. The Sith? One guy and an apprentice. Yes, Anakin brought balance to the force by destroying the existing Jedi order. My confusion comes at why Yoda or any other Jedi never thought that concept through. like... "Hmmmm triumphant we are and have been. To bring balance, our deaths it would mean!"
Agreed. My point was about the Jedi attitude about this "Chosen One" prophecy. At the time that Quai Gon "determined" that Anakin was the Chosen One, as far as they knew there literally were no Sith. I am just mystified at the plot writing. How can the Jedi think that "bringing balance" would mean anything good for them? It would be like being in Vegas... having won a million dollars at craps... and some bimbo whispers in your ear, "Bet it all on the next roll, it will bring balance to your bank account!" Ummm ok... "I think I will call it quits for the night." LOL
Actually the canon states that the light side IS the force in balance and the dark side is basically an imbalance in the force. The Jedi did not know the SIth was still around but they were feeling the imbalance still caused by the dark side. That said the whole profecy thing really does not fit that well with the original trilogy...
This is what I love about Star Wars, there are heroes and villains of course but underneath the obvious there are countless shades of grey that explain their actions. No-one is all good or all bad, and the series does a great job illustrating that.
The f**k would you call "no one is all good or all bad" anyways? what's the difference between "good" or "bad is that is the case? Not all things are "shades of grey" because there's times were blacks and whites were completely real.I don't like these kind of "everything is shades of grey" mentality because the only reason the greyish area exist is because there is a white and a black area. Don't get me wrong here, I do believe that sometimes the greyish area exist, but don't expect that there's no black and white area.The reality of the world is that both the greyish area, and the black and white exist.
"no one is all good or all bad" doesn't mean "no one is good or bad" the keywords there are "all". star wars does a very good job of showing that even the "good guys" can do bad things and even the "bad guys" can do good.
Movies do very poor job of showing Jedi failings, while being unstoppable about Sith failings. The Clone Wars are slightly better in giving nuanced view of Galaxy Far Far Away and it's inner workings, but it's still neither Game of Thrones nor Black Sails level. For children entertainment it's a lot, but far from real world level of nuance.
A slave army with no freedom to chose their own life paths? Automatically disallows you from taking the moral high ground, that was my biggest issue with the J.O.
Bingo. I almost walked out of Attack of the Clones because of that and can barely sit through Clone Wars, though Ahsoka is far too awesome not to. when you have fourteen year old child soldiers leading divisions of ten year old slave grunts (neithe of which know hos screwed up it is because they've been indoctrinated from the cradle, handed weapons and told what to kill in the name of whatever) so the "good" people of the Republic don't have to get off their shebs and deal with the ugly parts of war? You have forfeited any sense of moral high ground. Palpatine didn't so much kill the Republic as yank the plug on one that was already dead.
I always loved that although the Jedi were undoubtedly the good guys, they had some serious flaws. The fact that they were so shady and extreme made it all the more believable.
AthkoreProductions I think that’s part of the point though, being good isn’t an extreme it’s a balance, all good needs a little bad. Anakin didn’t learn this he swung one extreme to the other, he was a black and white thinker. Jedi were more grey than we are lead to believe. Good isn’t perfect it’s human. Yes it’s also realistic.
The Jedi’s killed 2.8 million people The dark side destroyed a planet to avoid war that would have had a bigger toll, kinda like the U.S dropping the bomb on Japan The Jedi would always kill but the dark side would not when in conflict Seems like the dark side are the good guys
@@CarlosSanchez-en6mr the dark side users controlled both sides in the war between the Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems, playing both as fools to enable Palpatine to activate Order 66 to unleash genocide against the Jedi.
6:16 Anakin was persuaded by Palpatine to kill Count Dooku. Palpatine is the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic which, like you said, are not a division of the Jedi Order. Plus, Anakin said it was not the Jedi way to execute Dooku. The reason he did was because *SPOILERS*....even though this should be common knowledge, Palpatine was the Sith Lord, Darth Sideous who planned on making Anakin his pupil by coaxing him into the dark side of the force. Regardless Allen, this was just a misused example and shouldn't detract from the rest of your argument. I, for one, agree that the Jedi are no better than the Sith due to them dealing with absolutes.
Since fall of sith Empire sith lords always had one Apprentice and most cases Apprentice would kill there masters but again cording some books not all sith our evil just like not all Jedi our good
It was a case of the Jedi doing what they thought was right but at the same time so caught up in what they're doing they just lose themselves. Fact is they screwed up Anakin by using him as their Mule when he knew himself it wasn't right on certain things they asked him to do. Was it wrong, was it jist what the had to do I don't know. But he was elevated up the ranks of responsibilities out of the rule books and he felt that wasn't fair to others. They really went wrong when they asked him to be their snitch against the Emperor. He felt he himself was a legit man at the time but noticed there was some shady business going on and he had already been taking his information to them on his own as the Emperor was doing everything he could to keep An akin at his side. So they asked him to he a spy against the Emperor which probably would have accomplished the same thing he was already accomplishing but he didn't want to pretend to be an ally knowing he was just doing it to get information which pretty well set him over the edge. Anakin was a kid of high morality who lived a hard life and around immoral people and hated living in that life so he would have done what was right even if not asked as he felt it was in his moral nature to do so if it helped moral people. What they asked him to do was against his morality and inevitably he lost faith in the people who claimed to be his protectors. Frustration and anger at that point just moved him to the dark side and the rest is history. Again were the Jedi "bad guys" I don't believe so. Good people in a situation where they sometimes have to make out of the box choices. Anakin grew up as a slave worker. He wouldn't understand that.
mega deth He was also fed the line of being "the chosen one" off and on for who knows how long. Imaging yourself a kid, having to have been taken from the only family he ever knew, taught a *very* strict code(I'd dare say so strict, it'd make the Vatican look like Vegas by comparison), and had ungodly levels of expectations heaped upon him. *And,* you have Palpatine, never letting a moment to manipulate him go to waste. And there is that small matter of an *active Sith Shrine under the Jedi temple.* In their hubris, after defeating the Sith one time, instead of destroying the shrine, the Jedi chose, as a show of triumph, to build their temple over said shrine. "A device designed to channel great darkness? Surely that'll neeeever be a hazardous issue for the great Jedi."😑
Yeah, the way she was treated in Season 5 by the Jedi Council and the Republic sickens me. No wonder she left. I can imagine Anakin telling off the Jedi Council after he parted company with Ahsoka and blamed them for her leaving and for how they treated her. If I were him, I'd tell them that once the war ends that I'd be leaving the Jedi Order as well.
+Tom McDaniel yea I'm a big fan of the grey Jedi I think one needs to bring balance with themselves before they can go around trying to balance the galaxy
I, too, think the Grey Jedi have a better understanding of the Force than either the Jedi and Sith. They truly adhere to being balanced and still kept themselves grounded.
Yes, because he thought he would be safe in case some stray blaster shot came his way. Also to me the proof that the Jedi were right IS Qui-Gon Jinn... he fucked it up. He forced the Jedi to accept a new member everybody was feeling uncomfortable with. Only because Qui-Gon decided to take Anakin with him, Palpatine discovered the young boy. If not Anakin would have never really gotten to know the force.
Entropy3ko Anakin was an incredibly powerful force sensitive. There have been numerous stories of such force sensitive children being as destructive as proton Torpedos, if not given the proper training. Anakin was a ticking time bomb if no one found and trained him.
Wait, it doesn't make sense. They have to snatch babies from parents, cos' they can become dark side without jedi teachings, but reject anyone older, because attachments? Oh yeah, they surely will not become sith if they are rejected by jedi order. Wtf, really.
E. B. In the words of Spock, older people are "emotionally compromised". Anakin was already compromised when he left his mom and lost Qui-Gon at age 10 not to mention he had a Sith lord posing as a politician manipulating his mind throughout his Jedi training. It took the death of Shmi and his fear of losing Padme to push Anakin over to the dark side to the point where he becomes Darth Vader. Luke had it worst because he had to watch Owen, Beru, and Obi-wan die right in front of him. Then, he had his hand chopped off by Vader and went apeshit on Vader when he threatened to turn Leia to the dark side. The only reason Luke didn't go down the same path as Vader did is because: -he found out Darth Vader is his father. -he didn't have any Sith lords mind-twisting him since childhood like Vader was. -he doesn't have a mother or a girlfriend to worry about like Vader did. AND -he's not easily fooled like Vader was. If only Kylo Ren had followed Luke's example instead of Vader's.
Well, if you had young children, you could mold them. Older childeren are harder to mold, and training them in the ways of the force may only hasten their fall to the dark side, or give the existing sith a perfect tool to use since these jedi know the force well, and have an open mind and thus can be corrupted easily
They didn't want Jedi get marriage either part of no attachments so no breeding you think they OK man and wife long as they both part of the order and have child that way train
The Jedi essentially thought anything other then what they taught led to the dark side. That's seriously dumb. Shockwave: "These teachings are, elogical".
I admit, you aren't wrong on several of your points. But I DO have counters to several of them. First wit regards to the child soldiers: Anakin and by extension Ashoka are NOT "normal" padawans, they are people that WANTED to get involved. In Episode 1 Qui Gon told Anakin specifically NOT to get involved, and to "find a safe place and stay there" True he did bring him INTO a battle, but only in so far as to 1) keep an eye on him and 2) because there was literally no better place to bring him (the planet was blockaded and the entire city of Theed occupied) The "role" of a Padawan is to watch, observe, learn, and ask questions. So Ashoka and Anakin directly involving themselves was, unorthodox but they did so because they believed they could handle that involvement...and they did so quite well for the most part. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes: You cited Anakin killing Dooku, and Mace attacking Palpatine. You forget that Anakin was VERY hesitant to kill Dooku, and likely would not have had Palpatine not ordered him to, remember Palpatine was the Chancellor so this was akin to an executive order, which directly violated the Jedi Code. To Windu now, recall that he initially went to ARREST Palpatine, and bring him in alive. In addition, it took the deaths of THREE Jedi master, and several minutes of pitched battle for him to adopt the stance of Killing Palpatine.
Recall that the Jedi were NOT going to take him in, he had no credits, or means to support himself. Padme had no residence to let him stay at (she was not a senator at the time) And he had no access to food. Qui-gon had access to republic credits for the initial diplomatic mission but couldn't just GIVE them away as he saw fit. Leaving Anakin on Coruscant would have been the absolute worst thing for him...because not only would it have left him completely alone, it would have left him in the PERFECT place for Palpatine to get his claws into him.
Respectfully Cen2050, why didn't Qui-Gon "Suggest" that Anakin remain with Boss Nass? He was nowhere near the fighting in *any* of the aspects of the Battle of Naboo. Furthermore, one thing that was *not* pointed out in the video (as far as "Child Soldiers" is concerned) is the age of the Clones. Not only were they slave soldiers who were never given a choice, but due to the accelerated aging, they were only ten years old at the start of the war. The use of the Clones also brings up another thought about how the Jedi value lives; the clones continued to age quite rapidly. While I don't know how long the Clone Wars lasted, Temura Morrison, the actor who played Jango Fett in the second prequel also played Commander Cody in the final one, appearing to be somewhere around forty years of age, if he were an unmodified human. That leads me to ask at how young of an age would the Republic expect their Clone protectors to have age related health issues? At thirty (assuming any survived to reach that age), they'd have the health problems of a sixty year old unmodified human. By the time one would be old enough to serve as the President of the United States (thirty five), he's reached the physical age of mandatory retirement here. "Life creates and shapes The Force," yet the Jedi seem to have little regard for individuals within the scope of The Force, except for those who fanatically tow the line within their order.
Jeff Anderson, I fully admit I did not consider that and concede that point. The ONLY justification I can offer is concern/suspiscion that the Gungan force would be completely routed and their encampment would be subsequently found/annihilated...or worse just bombarded from space. Whereas Theed was too important to attack from space. You are also NOT wrong about the clones, But I humbly and respectfully disagree with your assessment of their treatment and occasional mistreatment at the hands of the Jedi: The concept of them being "child soldiers" while accurate technically is not accurate physically or, more importantly, physiologically: Just because a humanoid has only lived for 6 years does not mean they have the developmental progress of a 6 year old human. There are sentient races in other science and fantasy games, and series that only live for 6-10 "earth" years. What we are essentially looking at is a genetically altered "offshoot race" of Humans that have accelerated aging/learning. The clones were specifically, genetically crated for combat. WE, as viewers know this is not morally or ethically right. But pull an Obi-Wan, and look at it from the clones point of view: 99% of them were shown more than fair and equitable treatment, from their Jedi Generals: Generals who were, for the most part, NOT happy with the situation but had to chose the lesser of two evils. Generals who DID mourn the loss of their men, because they each had a distinct identity in The Force. War, it is said, brings out the worst in people. In the case of the Star Wars universe, that meant the creation of a clone army, and the transition of a legendary (if secretive) organization of diplomats, peacekeepers and philosophers into a military command structure.
I think this is why the real hero of the series for me was Han Solo. He wasn't trying to reinstate an extremist religious order, he was trying to do the right thing....in spite of himself.
The Jedi probably should have stuck to recruiting at age 13. Keeping tabs on potential recruits till then is fine, but not baby snatching. They should have then instructed new initiates how do deal with the dark side temptations, something common in teenagers.
Jason Motsinger and Christian T-D 85 What you both are describing was actually a key policy of Luke's Jedi Order in the EU/Legends Universe. He absolutely refused to force young initiates to join the order; full-time membership was a completely voluntary choice.
I feel the Sith are more true to themselfs. Of course there are intrinsic problems with each order, but the Sith don't reject their feelings. The rejection of feelings that the Jedi teach is counter to the realities of life. Jedi say the Sith are lost to their emotions, but a true Sith would in all cases aspire to control and harness their emotions, so they can use the power that are imbeded in emotions.
Yaser Olegev denying emotion is surely not a realistic expectation. However emotions are fleeting, for a Sith to be completely complicit with any given emotion is not really that good of an idea. IJS
The issue with the Sith is that the Dark Side overwrites whom they were before. For example, Yuthura Ban originally joined the sith to bring justice and freedom to the child slaves on planets across the galaxy, Ryloth in particular. By the time you meet her, all she wants is power, and thus isn't herself any longer.
@The Goofball thats because she was sith. Sith are about freedom and acquiring power. Her being obsessed with power has nothing to do with the darkside and everything with her following the sith code
The problem with the Sith is, while they do not reject their feelings, they instead allow themselves to be controlled by those feelings. Usually feelings of hatred, anger, and lust. To me allowing yourself to be controlled by such emotions is just as bad as trying to suppress your emotions.
When have the sith ever forbade love? That has never been a thing. If anything a lot of sith shy away from it because many see how it can be a weakness and exploited. Like Malgus... who also saw how it could give him more power... and even after killing his love, he loved her. But its never been a rule, and many have loved And yes, the sith are about freedom, more specifically personal freedom. The entirety of the sith code is about that; the more power you have the more freedom that power affords you. Strength -> Power -> Victory -> Broken Chains -> Force = Free A quote that sums up sith philosophy is "Only those with the strength to seize their destiny deserve to have one". @Emmett Leone-Woods Sith arent suppose to allow their emotions to control them, they're suppose to use their emotions to fuel their power. In many ways, a prime example of what a sith is, is Malgus. The moment he realized his love for Eleena was detrimental to him and his growth as a sith, he decided to kill her. He still loved her, and he used the emotions he had for her and her death, give him a great deal more power. If his emotions controlled him, he wouldnt have made that decision. Yea, there are sith that get lost in their emotions, but sith are suppose to be the ones in control of themselves and nothing else
Indeed they did, a group of Judi (the name they were called before splitting into Jedi and Sith), thought that the Dark Side was pure EVIL and wanted it eradicated. Eventually those with more affinity with Dark than Light were driven away by these people who were afraid of their brethren. Ironic since the Jedi Order of the Repulblic believed that fear is a path to the Dark Side.
The Sith species we're always there and their order was already made, they just need someone too teach them the ways of the dark side and the empire they needed to forge, and there it was the Dark Jedi. And plus in our reality monks don't lead armies or believe in war and learn to not just control their emotions but to calculate them as well both body and mind my dad was a Buddhist once you can ask him. I agree with our friend Allan i'm glad to see folks like him showing us the true reality of what the Jedi are including our own galaxy so thanks Allan 100.0% keep it up.
@@Amell_Wesker In the movies, particularly in the prequels, that is absolutely true. The Jedis teachings and training methods emotionally/psychologically destroy anyone who has ever known healthy emotional support, real family, and real love. Basically, anyone who has any sort of understanding what it means to be a regular person with healthy emotional support, personal interests, and close relationships outside of Yoda’s space soldier cult of total emotional/individual:psychological denial and detachment would lose their mind trying to fit in with them, and then become Sith when they could no longer deal with the Council’s bullshit anymore and thought all their options to do any better or find support were exhausted. It’s tragically ironic that Anakin Skywalker is actually more like the ideal Jedi knight that Obi Wan, Yoda, and the Council kept trying to force him to be in the prequels as Darth Vader after he gets burned up, put in that life support suit, and loses everyone else he cared about (at least in part because of his own doing, though also because of the Council and Obi Wan). He becomes more apathetic and detached, learns to delude himself with that whole “it’s for the greater good” mantra that they all taught him to use to rationalize the atrocities he commits against anyone who seems to get in the way of that mission, learns to blindly and obediently serve Sidious and the Empire, regardless of the person’s age, ability, creed, guilt, innocence, or race. While he still has adrenaline junkie, blind rage, and manic episodes on occasion, he’s far more focused and emotionally self-controlled than he was in his younger years before going completely off the rails. While he’s not wholly innocent himself, the prequels are a pretty tragic story of how the road to hell is paved with good intentions and how to create a monster.
I agree agree agree. However, if the Jedi, namely Obi-Wan had given Anakin's dreams credence (and Padme' too) and said ok, let's go check it out, after all they were in the business of saving innocence, then his mother would've been saved early on (as she was taken a month b4 when Anakin's "dreams" began) and he would not have been so uncontrollably angry as she'd still have been alive. So you could argue, it was still the Jedi's fault. As was them pushing Anakin to spy on his friend and use other than honorable methods to achieve their goals in RotS, going against their own "Jedi way". Anakin was manipulated by both sides, with the Jedi really only interested in controlling him and his prophecy fulfillment. IMO.
I made these points 17 years ago my freshman year of college. I wholeheartedly agree. These revelations are what I hope Luke Skywalker has realized in the upcoming Last Jedi movie. Balance in the force is the only way.
david, "balance" may or may not be intrinsically good or bad, hence why it is called balance. Balance denotes a fair blend of two opposing forces, and "true balance" would a blend that allows no, or limited, movement toward either force without an increase of force from one side or the other. And "perfect balance" would be like "true balance" but would not allow any increase in force on either side and would remain in "perfect balance." But to achieve any form of "balance" you need input from two side, preferably from opposing forces, in an even amount. Otherwise, be the force good or evil, it would be "unbalanced" and that is intrinsically not good. And that is something that both the Jedi and Sith knew, the difference is the Sith sought to unbalance the force in there favor, and the Jedi ignored it in their teaching, even actively sought to suppress voices that raised how unbalanced in the "Light" the Jedi Order had become.
grey jedi arent greater masters of the force; there hasnt been anything in starwars to imply that utilizing both light side and dark side aspects of the force makes you more powerful. It gives you more options, yes.. but that doesnt make you more potent or provides a greater magnitude of power. And if your goal is to constantly maintain balance within yourself, and not move freely... you're restricted, just like if you were to limit yourself to either the light or the dark
It is interesting as well as highly relevant to note that Anakin Skywalker's attachments werent what lead him to the dark side, but rather the Jedi Order's rejection of attachment that made his fall all but inevitable. If Anakin were permitted to save his mother months before he actually did leave to find her, back when he first had the dreams about her, he could have gotten to her in time. And if Anakin had felt able to take his dreams of Padme's death to the Jedi Elders without fear of reprisal, they could surely have advised him on how best to handle the situation and they could have worked out the situation together, logically and without the need to abandon the light side of the force. The Jedi order was its own undoing. For balance to be attained, the order - and not only the Sith - had to fall.
True balance of the Force requires an understanding not only in principle but also in practice of all the Force is actually capable of doing. Both the Jedi who only adhere to the light and the Sith who strictly adhere to the dark are bastardizing the Force. It is a balance of light and dark and you much know both sides intimately through use to know this balance.
As a product of Jedi rejection myself, I have been saying that crap for years. At least as a Sith, you don't have to worry about all of those "group hug sessions," were really uncomfortable, and now you know why I fell to Dark Side. I am still going through therapy now, so I am going pass on your offer of a hug, Allen, but great job, sir, great job.
Guardian Of The Divine Feminine are you going in a roundabout way to ask for a hug? Well I've known Allen longer, and he's not going to be getting a hug, so your chances are about the same as Anakin's were on the low ground.
At least that psycho would have my back if something went wrong. Obi Wan would have to consult the council to see whether or not to accept my invite to share a beer.
The balance must be restored .....no more Jedi, no more Sith .... that's why in "The Last Jedi", Luke will embrace the dark...without abandoning the light......embracing the full spectrum.
A sort of a Devil's Advocate question here: If the Sith have developed (or shall I say, readopted) similar practices of the Jedi as the ones mentioned in this video (not excluding possible others), would there be a higher likelihood/occurrence of more Siths who eventually turn to the light side?
This is the simple true implication that got overlooked for decades within this fiction. Polarizing parties that wanted to make a mint on over simplified ideals of good and evil run it all.
I know it’s all fiction, but that last one was spot on. Makes Yoda’s speech on fear leading to the dark side a bit unwise. If Lucas wanted the Jedi to be infallible guardians of good he messed up from Empire on. If he intended this then he is more of a genius than I thought.
I think the issue is they asked people to do things that were unnatural, or were beyond the capacity for most humans. Yeah, OK jealousy is bad, but people need attachments. It's normal. Getting married was not a light side activity, and in fact, I would suggest that allowing marriage could have been an incentive to greater commitment to the Jedi, because they wanted to protect not just some vague notion of 'democracy' or 'The Republic' but their own families. Banning attachments and emotions was seen as a way of protecting people, but in itself resulted from fear and proved to be counter-productive.
"Illegal or in a circus" Not Really... In Darth Plagueis there is a scene in a casino (not Canto Byte) where the casino would employ Force Sensitives to detect whether someone was using the Force to manipulate dice or other aspects of gambling to cheat
A Face For a Skull the psycho who doesn't like sand is actually Anakin Skywalker, who makes comments like that about sand before he becomes Darth Vader.
The Jedi may not have been perfect but it's very hard for me to understand the point of view of people who say they are no better than the Sith. Knowing that the Star Wars Universe presents a galaxy where multiple force sentient people exist, that these force powers make them way more powerful than the average living being and give them the option to completely dominate non force users, I surely prefer to have the ones who invoke altruism, restraint, peace and harmony over the ones only believe in passion, strength and power. I prefer a Jedi Order, with all of it's flaws, that at least TRIES to search for the greater good, than a Sith Order seeking only power and personal satisfaction. The Jedi may have broken some of their core beliefs in war with the Sith, but I believe the possibility of seeing a Sith Order emerge is even worse, and therefore justifies it in part. Realising that the Jedi Order is not perfect, while saddening, is not a reason to lower it to the levels of the Sith Order.
You mean flaws like genociding the shit out of people who are Dark Side users like the Pureblood Sith and the Ubese? The Sith weren't about genocide until that moment when they were facing extinction and the Jedi would jump on the Genocide Wagon again when Revan built a Droid Army who killed every being with only 1% of Sith Genes so please tell me again the Jedi are doing a "greater good" while the only thing they do ist the same like the Sith: Seeking Power.
Imran > genes such as the sith its not like it is here on earth you heard sith alchemy. A off spring can literally end up not compassionate none loving hateful evil greedy power hungery basically would you want a kid that's ( bi polar or has insanity ) and if you knew these genes would cause your kid to be evil what if you had kid born with pedo gene and their was high chance lets say 80 % that it would influence his or her feelings would you still want the kid born???
Pureblood Sith are not creatures born out of sith alchemy that is pure bs. You cant justify murdering an entire species just because "ermahguurd ewiiil", because guess what, it is all about perspective's and that the Jedi are as genocidal as the Sith Order was proven many many times. So don't try that angle the only thing you can throw at a Sith is that their society is build on a Caste System and the poor are treated like shit but thats not a thing in what would happen in the Republic right? RIGHT? Oh i forgot , the poor in the republic don't even have a opportunity to rise up because entire families stay poor for generations eventhough they are capable. Oh and i would really overthink your position about genocide because if we use that parameters than you are using then we should purge the whole middle east and africa, because they have archaic societies where murder and slavery is their daily life.
Imran I don't know much about Star Wars history not related to the original 6 trilogy but I still prefer the Jedi to the Sith and would certainly prefed living in a Republic run by the Jedi who seem focused towards altruism as much as possible than an empire run by the Sith who only seem to be interested in personal gains. Judging by the original trilogy, it's kinda hard to say Palpatine wasn't the bad guy by plotting against the Republic and preparing Jedi genocide for decades. Concerning the genocides committed by the Jedi that I didn't know of, they must obviously represent a very dark page of the Jedi Order and a very difficult decision for them to make at the time, one that, tough questionable, was probably made with the greater good intention of not having selfish Sith run the Galaxy. What I like about order under the Jedi, is that you could, as a civilian, present this fact of genocide committed by them and expect them to admit the wrong that there was in it, even tough they did it for the greater good, or what they tought was the greater good. Put a Sith in front of the same facts, and he would probably laugh at you as he doesn't care about any morals other than personal gain and power. Laugh at you that is, if he doesn't decide to directly electrocute you with Sith lightning for is own amusment. Doing something bad for a greater altruist good, or what is tought to be (tough always condemnable, and I'm sure the Jedi had a great deal of remorse following their act), does not equal doing something bad for the sheer sake of personal gain and power. You can discuss a wrongful act committed by a jedi, but you can't discuss one committed by the Sith, as they do not care about right and wrong, unlike the Jedi. The Jedi are therefore not perfect and perhaps even less than that, but their quest to be good (such a hard thing to do when you think about it) makes them better than the Sith and their quest for ultimate selfishness. Going back to what I know better, the 6 movie trilogy, it is quite evident that the Jedi are better than the Sith. In the Republic, the Jedi do not seek ultimate power but only to be a positive guiding force in that Republic, aknowledging that not everything is up to them, while Palpatine just wants everything for himself, even tough large segments of his galactic population do not seem satisfied when he becomes empreror. And he doesn't care one single bit about it, just like he didn't care blowing up entire planets as a show of force.
if anything attachments are more likely to prevent someone from going to the darkside, while detachments are what lead the dark side, and anakin was the biggest example of that
The Jedi: Ok, we got someone on the way to help us defect the Sith, and bring Balance to the Force. Force: *Creats "The Chosen One"* The Jedi: Wait! Why are we at war? And how come the Republic Chaneller saying "Dew it"? Force: It's a surprise tool that will help us later.
Anakin wasn't going to kill Dooku until Palpatine goaded him into it; he then says he shouldn't have done it because it wasn't the Jedi way. Mace Windu was also violating the Jedi way when giving into his fear that Palpatne was too dangerous to live. So this was not behavior taught or championed by the jedi, quite the opposite. I could be wrong, but I don't believe children were ever taken against the will of their parents because they were force sensitive. It was simply that the parents had a choice of allowing them to train with the Jedi from when they were young or never be able to join or be trained. Asking such a thing of a parent is 'bold' to say the least, but as long as it is optional and there is no coersion, it cannot really be referred to a 'baby stealing'. Younglings in general, were not warriors. Ahsoka was young, but also an alien, so who knows what human psychology applies there. Anakin was at least 18 when the Clone Wars started, and in the actual live action films, Jedi children were never a part of the war effort.
... but continued "training" Rey, completely changed his mind, then at the end of the movie said "i will not be the last jedi". Thank you Ruin Johnson.
Some ways to fix the Jedi: 1. Jedi Knights/Master raise force sensitive children alongside their parents, maybe multiple per teacher in some kind of schooling community. That might help making them understand what is right to do but without cutting them off and life potentially ruining them. 2. See more Grey and be a bit more open and transparent to things outside the Order. 3. Controlling emotions doesn't mean shutting them off. Emotion can and often will come suddenly then overwhelm and that is the biggest risk of it. Jedi should be prepared for that and learn to still keep a calm mind during this times to decide what is best. 4. Allow teenager/adults to be taught Jedi but still be mindful and careful. Even (slightly) messed up minds can be brought back to the right path and stick to it when done right. 5. Get rid of that arrogance and think more thoroughly what you do, without believing your above laws and regulations. Although, even politicians of our time have something called "political immunity" that protects them from immediate repercussions, even if they drive kill some civilians so they can do their job. But they at least aren't absolutely immune to punishments. It's just way more complicated to hold them responsible for their actions 6. Teach more about the Dark Side and all it's temptations with the many forms it can take on and how and why you should resist it. Surely this won't solve all the issues and there will still be those loosing their path because that's just the (human) nature of sentient beings but I believe it would be better like this.
Mace Windu was the closest thing to what the creatures of the Jedi and Sith. He used both dark and light side powers and this wasn’t a secret. And the thing with putting earth laws and practices on alien world and cultures it doesn’t usually work very well.
This is why I want Episode IX for the Jedi to truly end! They must transcend to something different, where the Force speaks to all and not just to an elite. We'll just have to see if that happens.
the jedi are war criminals in the war sith vs jedis when the mandalorian joined the sith a comando of jedis one drops experimental bomb on mandalore and one renders sterile. the planet was devoid of any defense, and the population was composed of the wounded of a child and of old, a fine military man, and to crown the whole he was congratulated for their action. sorry for my english i am french
batiste poli given that whole war was a Sith plot I don't feel this is a good example. The leaders Revan and Malak both succumbed to the darkside. But I respect anyone that can't drop facts about the Mass Shadow Generator to begin with.
Sith are artists driven by raw emotion and passion. Jedi are rational and deny all emotional distraction or human pleasure. What's odd is that both actually foster societies that are polar opposites of their fundamental beliefs creating paradox
6:16 : Both the cases mentioned here were *exceptions* to the _Jedi way_ : 1. The execution of Count Dooku, on instigation of Palpatine, later caused Obi Wan to reprimand Anakin 2. Palpatine aka Darth Sidious, who was too powerful due to being head of Senate, understanding of the Force and connections, was indeed too dangerous to be left to the judicial process. That justified the one-time exception tried by Master Windoo In general, criminals with taken captive and were tried with judicial process and not directly executed
Katie Dennis The Sith were more organized than the Jedi. This is why Revan was not afraid to join the dark side, because he knew better that the light side was getting more flawed.
Existent David they didn't create the sith, sith created themselves, they existed(sith species) before the jedi then the dark jedi went to their homeworld
I think youre totally right! I sometimes asked myself: "How can there be a balance, if theres only the light side, tyat rules?" It makes no sense that the Jedis are seen as the good guys and the sith always have to sneak their way uo to power
Because the Sith usually act like psycopath maniac and nobody on his right mind will put them in power if had a choice. Plus world of god state that the Dark SIde act like a cancer in the force, so it's never a question of numbers but mere presence
These are some of the things I addressed in my Star Wars rewrite that I to this day can't believe Lucas didn't have the self-awareness to acknowledge. "No. I am a Jedi. Like my father before me." "You say that as if it's something to be proud of. What do you _really_ know about the Jedi? I'll tell you what I know: they were hypocrites, liars, and killers. They _butchered_ their way to the Republic's favor, grew their numbers through threats of death, abducted children, forced false promises and code down their throats, and stifled their development. 'There is no emotion,' they'll tell you, 'there is peace.' As if you could have peace without emotion. They claim that only a Sith deals in absolutes, while they condemn any _slight_ deviation from their doctrine as a path to the Dark Side. I mingled among them for decades, and they _never_ suspected I would be their undoing. They were _blind._ Blind to _me,_ blind to you father's cries for help, and blind to the infinity of the Force, beyond the infinitesimal slivers which they in their ignorance called light and dark. I _slaughtered_ them, because I could see the _truth._ There _are_ no _sides_ of the Force. Only _power_ and those with the conviction to understand it. Like me. Like _you,_ Luke." "You're no better than they were." "At least _I_ no longer hide my demons away. I did away with their endless rules, their petty restrictions. I created a society in which _no one_ has to hide their demons away. In my Empire, emotions do not hold you back. They make you _stronger."_
Don't forget that the Jedi want to disarm the people. It takes a good deal of training and resources to make/use a lightsaber, but anyone can learn to use a blaster quickly. Obi Wan repeatedly scoffs at the idea and no Jedi uses both in tandem.
i am a sith Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me
I agree with most on the list, but on example 8 both the Jedi and Sith are dealing in absolutes regarding their faction's beliefs versus that their procaimed enemy.
6:09 anakin skywalker was turning to the dark side and mace windu is known for mastering both. He didnt try to kill palpitine just bc he wanted to, but actually bc Palpatine was in control of eveything so he would get away with anything
Gosh, this is the angle on the story that really makes the prequel trilogy awesome. Thanks gen tech! I’m grateful for RUclips like these that expand on the lore. Been years since I’ve seen the Lucas films, I’m excited for when I do with a new lense
EA_Toxin maybe, but there are reasons for those international laws. And the humans from star wars are the same as on earth, meaning that f.e. PTSD can effect them too.
EA_Toxin He’s subjecting them to our laws rather than that of the Star Wars galaxy, which, in turn, makes us see how good or bad they’d be if they lived on Earth
Not a Star Wars fan, but it always sounded odd how a faction could choose the "Light Side" but at the same time value balance. That's.. not how picking one side over the other works...
Because it's seem that balance is meant as absence of conflict in the force, conflict that the mere presence of the Sith create; not two side have equal power
Actually the movies never say "Light Side." That came later with other writers. In the movies, it's more like there's the Force and then there's corrupted Force (Dark Side).
Ever since the recent Star Wars films and when I finished Star Wars the clone wars, my view on the jedi changed. The Jedi are some of the biggest hypocrites.
When I was young. Something always bugged the crap out of me about the Jedi order, but I couldn't rationalise it. Thanks, this is actually putting words to those feelings.
King Gaming did just said"yes but no I just don't like rebels"because he corrected you about the stormtroopers,because you thought that he likes rebels for doing so?I'm just assuming stuff.
Firstly palpatin was the one who orchestrated the clone wars and force the clones to be used for war against the separtists so the jedi didnt have time to think or judge whether they should use them or not , because the republic was attacked . Many Jedi had really good bonds with the clones and thought of them as normal beings such as Obi and Anakin. And Anakin killed Dooku because at that time he was under influence from palpatin. Babies were not snatched , some parents refused to send the children to be trained and others wanted to send the kids to be trained under the jedi. And even though the republic goes by democracy , the jedi cant reveal everything that they know or plan to common public or even the senate because at the end they are a cult that gives the support to democracy . At the end even they were flawed like everything else and ended for that time.
although the jedi rules are flawed your points are straw maned to hell not to mentioned 2 grand masters in that day were once darksiders aka yoda and mace they were so hard on this because they know how the darkside hurt them
Something just dawned on me. If we're supposed to believe that the First Order is messed up for taking in people as children to train them to kill (a nine year old boy was considered "too old" to begin training), why do the good guys do the exact same thing? I get that the Jedi are peacekeepers rather than warriors but still, the kids are raised without parents and can be sent into battle at the ripe old age of fourteen. The Jedi are forbidden from having attachments which effectively keeps any of them from taking the role of a parent and makes it difficult for them to procreate without violating the Jedi code.
I know about the 'Baby stealing'. After I read the sith code I thought to myself 'Maybe the Jedi are the bad guys and sith the good guys, and we just see it from that one perspective.' BTW The only reason why rebels ever win is by pure luck and the force.
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Obi wan: "only a sith deals in absolutes"
Anakin: "are you sure?"
Obi wan: "Absolutely."
Anakin: Then your a Sith Lord!
Obi-Wan: Oh dear your right.
Obi-Wan : *Hops in Lava pool*
Da da
Palpatine says, how did you kill the jedi
Anikin, I convinced him to jump into lava
For #8 : Not to mention that the statement "only a sith deals in absolutes" IS AN ABSOLUTE!
Obi wan is a sith lord
I now want there to be an alternate scene regarding this.
Obi-Wan: Only a sith deals in absolutes.
Anakin: (turns around) isn't that in itself an absolute?
Obi-Wan:........
Anakin: (flashes shit eating grin)
Obi-Wan: *implodes*
I prefer the original script which had obiwan stating “Only a sith deals in such absolutes.” Such makes a world of difference.
@@andrewemerson347 yeah but he didn't i wonder why they changed it?
Yes, but the statement itself isn't dealing in absolutes, just an absolute.
“Only sith deal in absolutes”, which is an absolute
A sith may or may not deal in absolutes
FBI OPEN UP
James R.
Then you will love Darth Vectivus.
Anyone who replies by saying "You are absolutely right" is a Sith.
bro, yoda LITERALLY said "Do or do not, there is no try"
holy shit Anakin was suppose to bring balance to the force, he didn't just do that by killing the Emperor but he also did it by killing all the Jedi.
Jacob Stelwagon
I don't believe that killing off the Jedi helped bring balance to the force. Like Obi-wan said, Anakin left the force further unbalanced in darkness by killing them.
Knasterreal1 Until Rosa came and caused the Resistance to lose.
Screw Rey and most of the Sequel characters! Anakin and Luke Skywalker are the true heroes!
DAMN STRAIGHT!
I agree being completly evil or completly good is not balance. Most people have good and bad traits, not only one or the other.
obi won...the jedi well yea he would not think the death of jedi would do any good
"I'm doing this for the Republic! For *HYPOCRICY!* "
Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Me: *?*
Also me: Well, even a Jedi can deal in absolutes.
@@Yeentenology Qui Gonn would be shaking his head. He thought the Republic were a bunch of hypocrites and the Jedi should not be beholden to them.
In fact, I wish his Force Ghost had come up and clocked Obi Wan on the head with a stick. Or a lightsaber. Not activated of course.
Great comment!!
The Jedi Code: “There is no emotion...”
Me: *_”Imma stop you right there...”_*
The Jedi Code, also known as the sociopath's rulebook.
Me with ADHD and autism are you about that
Anakin: well about that...
They didn’t go completely Vulcan I guess
@@englishlady9797 It's more like textbook toxic masculinity.
5:05 How they spend their buget
"Jedi order under fire for spending 9.42 billion credits on new robes, as if their fashion changed"
RaPtorteAm it's the biggest Holonet scandal since Yoda hacked it to talk about his favorite soup-brewing techniques
Well from the old republic the Jedi had wonderful armor and/or lightsabers until the prequel era.
Is that why Darth Vader could never afford a new helmet? The Jedi spent all the money. Cheeky blighters.
There is emotion, yet peace
There is Serenity, yet passion
There is Chaos, yet harmony
There is no life without death
I serve the Balance and through it the force shall guide me.
The sad part is that the Jedi denies most of that -_-
Gray jedi?
I love the gray Jedi
There is no balance when you use the dark side, and there are not grey Jedi. I really wish people would understand this.
@@ScooterinAB Prove it.
When you won an ancient power struggle against another space cult that was just as evil as yours, you get to define what is good and evil from your "point of view".
thats called history. the victor wrights the story.
At least the sith were open about it even if they do lie like majority of the time
@@sliccthedestroyer1881 and that's called misinformation and white lies. that's even worse, great things can be lose do to that and only the corrupt prosper until they to fall to ruin. aka Soviat Russia
Oof so theres no good or bad just kidnapping!?
In the words of Ben Kenodi... 'you see it's true, from a certain point of view'......
*telekinesis not practical in the work*
I don't know, you could really save money on forklifts with telekinesis.
Def not a mouse Stop asking yeah telekinesis could help you land a good job
Police work. Lifting a running convict off their feet would save time
Basically any manual labour job
lol would be great for my jib think about how much i could use it almost everyday
Force persuasion would be a god send in my line of work
Essentially the Jedi Order believed itself to be completely and absolutely good, therefore it forbade it’s members to have any kind of attachments physically or even emotionally. The problem with with this thinking is that when Jedi came to brushes or even experience the dark side they did not know how to properly deal with the temptations of the Dark Side, which left them MUCH more vulnerable. It’s like a straight A student in high school who had never ever gotten an F moving onto college, they don’t know the experience of failure and how to learn from it. The Jedi were fundamentally flawed the moment they decided to dedicate themselves to the Light, it was only a matter of time when they fell
Michael Nguyen literally the perfect example. I didn’t do great in school but when I went to college I did better cause I knew what it was like to fail.
Only a sith deals in absolutes
basically this, the Order decided instead to teach how to deal with attachment and emotion so to not being tempted to the dark side, to take the 'easy' way and forbid them as it this will have resolved everything or as someone in another board pointed out, it probably started as a 'suggestion' that a proper Jedi must avoid attachement so to dedicate fully to the force and be a more impartial negotiatior and later when the order fossilized it become a dogma. And just movie and tv shows clearly demonstrate how this was true only in theory, many jedi/padawan pairing act like parent/children or older sibling/younger sibling even if they don't admit because organic being usually crave attachment and emotional closeness
And yet the Jedi allowed the Master/Apprentice bond. Isn't that a little hypocritical. They claim to have no need for attachment yet that attachment is required to pair a master with a student.
Michael Nguyen, and they considered themselves to be true followers of the Force.
"They have unbalanced The Force"... I'd assumed that's what the whole series was about: showing how neither side truly speaks for The Force, and how they are both wrong about their interpretations. I know I'm probably wrong, but that was always my take away.
No, you do make a good point. Maybe in the distant past, the Jedi were exactly the peace keepers they imagine themselves to be. Over time though, they themselves became complacent; comfortable in their small role with the Republic, becoming just as corrupt as the system they defended.
@Ignacio Jimenez Anglinthey were because they let the corrupt Republic dictate their actions. Were they still true to their beliefs, they wouldn't have gotten involved in the war, and maybe even went to neutral territory to avoid the conflict. They are peacekeepers not soldiers. If the peace is broken then they have nothing to keep or fight for, and thus have nothing to do the the government who is itself at war.
They would have done what Satine believed they should have done. They would have went only to places when the War hasn't reached yet and would've kept the peace there.
I personally think you are wrong. The Jedi weren’t blinded by light, they were blinded by politics. They became servants of the republic first and not servente of the Force. BUT, They were still doing more of It’s will than most. Of course, Palpatine had a hand in it as he orchestrated the war, putting the whole Jedi Order in a bad spot. Qui Gon Jinn is who was right the entire time. If it wasn’t for Palpatine and the Republic, the Jedi wouldn’t have lost their way. They were still heroes in my opinion, they were just not good enough to stop what was going to happen.
@@theapexfighter8741 the lost their way 1000 year ago by demanding the republic to give up the military. So the Jedi become the army of republic.
The Jedi are the ones that unbalanced the force...
...Holy shit.
The polarization of both sides unbalanced the Force. The Sith used emotion as their base reason to exist and abandoned intellect as a balance. The Jedi used intellect as their base reason to exist and abandoned their human emotions. If you mixed the two, you have the Gray Jedi (of whom both sides did not appreciate).
@@davidgiles4681 Sith used intellect all the time. Their focus changed by individual by individual. You know geniuses like Plagueis and so forth. Loads of intellect.
@@ravenstrategist1325 Yes and no. Yes, they used intellect. But, emotions powered the intellect. Depending upon the emotional value they put on a certain act or set of acts, thier emotion powered the intellectual pursuit of those actions. Do not get me wrong. Emotions and intellect must be balanced. the balance is that Sith had the pendulum swing more on the emotion powered intellectual pursuits. An example is the destruction of the Jedi. that goal was (in some areas righteous anger). But, it also created individuals who had potentially unstable personalities. In order for a Sith to become a master, he had to kill his master - only the strong survive. that in it's own right is valid. In Nature, only the strong survuve and continue the order (Bane's Rule of Two). The Jedi were the complete opposite. they had intellect that suppressed emotion (not sex, love, family, attractions [that could cause emotional out put - that would potentially lead to hate ... dark side]). the Jedi took emotions and buried them under intellect. they too had potentially unstable personalities. But, the fascade of "intellectual pursuit" - over the emotional equation also had it's negative results. the Jedi worked as an organization - that is good. But, this Org was based upon intellect overcoming emotional arguements. Anakin Sky Walker proved that emotions were not correct (if left unchecked and unbalanced - suppose if Anakin said, "I am married and I will be a Jedi. I do not care. You take me as I am or not at all.". The council would be forced to either take him as he was or discharge him. Luke Shywalker was married to Mara Jade and had a son. He allowed "attachments" and the "new order" worked because of it. I am sure that some "disputes" rose. His emotional "attachment" to Pademe was his downfall. The Sith used the supression of his wife and future kid(s) as a lever to turn him to the dark side. If the Jedi had balanced "attachments" and intellect, the dark Side would not have had that sway. You see that the Jedi did not value emotion and intellect as two sides of the same coin. So did not the Sith see that intellect and emotion were the same sides of the coin. To balance this, one must have emotional contacts and or "attachments" and still be able to use intellect to reach the goal. the person(s) must then be balanced in both - not one tipping the other. I used Vulcans (ST) as an example. Every 7 yrs, they must mate or die (physically).
@@davidgiles4681 I know I know, at least Sith Acknowledge and use intellect, regardless of their goals.
Well, Jedi also have emotions even though they are preaching otherwise. They constantly care about their Padawans or Masters or friends. Because, surprise, most species Jedi come from live socially and social animals tend to form attachments, otherwise we call them psychopaths.
In fairness. They told Anakin to stay put in that ship to hide out. He just did it behind their backs since he was technically doing what he was told and wanted to.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes. " is also hypocritical since the statement itself is an absolute. The Jedi who break away from the Council do the most good.
That is why you become a good Dark Jedi. You have both capabilities of the dark side and the light side so you can be more powerful than the Jedi which means you more helpful. And you do not have to deal with all the stupid rules of the Jedi.
@@darthaghast it's called grey Jedi
@@darthaghast that’s bs. George Lucas himself says there is no such thing as gray Jedi. The utmost level a Jedi could reach, was that of Qui Gon Jinn. He was the pure Jedi the Force wanted the Jedi to become. Read his comic.
@@theapexfighter8741 Agree with you on the "using both the light and dark" is wrong, though the canonical/not fanon version of gray Jedi is defined as Jedi who didn't listen to the Council, ie Qui-Gon, but it could also encompass Light Side users who were not part of the order, ie Ahsoka after she left.
Love the Jedi, but your point seems to be pretty accurate to me. To much of a good thing can be a bad thing after all.
Sugar. Calories. Sunlight.
Yeah, there's lots of examples that prove that simple message. Strange how with thousands of years of experience, the Jedi couldn't grasp that simple idea.
Collin Bond What happens when you stare into the light of the sun? It blinds you. What happens when you are in complete darkness? You can’t see.
"Some virtues, when taken to the extreme, become crimes." Quote from "The Count of Monte Cristo"
@@DirtyHarryFan88 Man, I love that book.
A Jedi doesn't exist within the order but is dormant within a force wielder and it takes a master and Padawan to unlock their true potential(I know u can get to nerdy with this stuff but I don't care).
I grew up with the Original trilogy where you didn't really get much info on the Jedi or Sith other than " Jedi Good" "Sith Bad". When the prequels came out I watched them the 1st time just to watch them and get caught up in the moment. Than watched them again and paying more attention to things. My view is the Jedi and Sith are polar extremes of the same thing the Force. Neither side really paying attention to the will of the Force and keeping the balance
Reminds me of the Extreme/Alt Left and the Extreme/Alt Right. So does that make Gray Jedi and Gray Sith Moderates?
#Jed'aii
I agree- it looks like the siths are nazis and the jedis are commies
Yup, the Jedi were completely hypocritical. Been saying it for years
luke even said it
cuz you know best, Captain Kirk says otherwise
clone wars era sure but the legends version of lukes order resolved many of those issues
True dat
Bro I see you everywhere. First the small channels now this video
The Jedi spend their budget on death sticks
You can say that again my friend.
Absolutely. Its clear Yoda is on Ketamine.
You know what always bugged me? "You were supposed to be the Chosen One! ...To bring balance to the Force!" Ummmm... ok At that point the Jedi had a big, influential temple and hundreds of Jedi. The Sith? One guy and an apprentice. Yes, Anakin brought balance to the force by destroying the existing Jedi order. My confusion comes at why Yoda or any other Jedi never thought that concept through. like... "Hmmmm triumphant we are and have been. To bring balance, our deaths it would mean!"
The force itself seeks balance. When things are going good, look out.
Agreed. My point was about the Jedi attitude about this "Chosen One" prophecy. At the time that Quai Gon "determined" that Anakin was the Chosen One, as far as they knew there literally were no Sith. I am just mystified at the plot writing. How can the Jedi think that "bringing balance" would mean anything good for them?
It would be like being in Vegas... having won a million dollars at craps... and some bimbo whispers in your ear, "Bet it all on the next roll, it will bring balance to your bank account!" Ummm ok... "I think I will call it quits for the night." LOL
Actually the canon states that the light side IS the force in balance and the dark side is basically an imbalance in the force.
The Jedi did not know the SIth was still around but they were feeling the imbalance still caused by the dark side.
That said the whole profecy thing really does not fit that well with the original trilogy...
I'm pretty sure that George Lucas confirmed that the balance means the absence of the Dark Side.
Agreed, this why the light side is only called “the force” in the films.
This is what I love about Star Wars, there are heroes and villains of course but underneath the obvious there are countless shades of grey that explain their actions. No-one is all good or all bad, and the series does a great job illustrating that.
Jaelon Griffi agree.. good bad its all about your "point of view"
The f**k would you call "no one is all good or all bad" anyways? what's the difference between "good" or "bad is that is the case? Not all things are "shades of grey" because there's times were blacks and whites were completely real.I don't like these kind of "everything is shades of grey" mentality because the only reason the greyish area exist is because there is a white and a black area. Don't get me wrong here, I do believe that sometimes the greyish area exist, but don't expect that there's no black and white area.The reality of the world is that both the greyish area, and the black and white exist.
"no one is all good or all bad" doesn't mean "no one is good or bad" the keywords there are "all". star wars does a very good job of showing that even the "good guys" can do bad things and even the "bad guys" can do good.
Movies do very poor job of showing Jedi failings, while being unstoppable about Sith failings. The Clone Wars are slightly better in giving nuanced view of Galaxy Far Far Away and it's inner workings, but it's still neither Game of Thrones nor Black Sails level. For children entertainment it's a lot, but far from real world level of nuance.
In times of war, no one are good are bad
A slave army with no freedom to chose their own life paths?
Automatically disallows you from taking the moral high ground, that was my biggest issue with the J.O.
Bingo. I almost walked out of Attack of the Clones because of that and can barely sit through Clone Wars, though Ahsoka is far too awesome not to. when you have fourteen year old child soldiers leading divisions of ten year old slave grunts (neithe of which know hos screwed up it is because they've been indoctrinated from the cradle, handed weapons and told what to kill in the name of whatever) so the "good" people of the Republic don't have to get off their shebs and deal with the ugly parts of war? You have forfeited any sense of moral high ground. Palpatine didn't so much kill the Republic as yank the plug on one that was already dead.
The Jedi as a whole is pretty messed up but I would argue that the average Jedi would be a lot nicer to know than a Sith
Bro, some of the Jedi rules are dumb. But the force that defends democracy doesn't have to be democratic, just look at our military.
And as we all know the military is famous for being a great organization....
Well said
democracy is actually meaning ruled by the people entirely
Why would a military need to be democratic? Democracy is a form of government. I think you mean diplomatic right?
@@DJShire_ATL he means democratic and explains how a military doesnt have to be democratic
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute.
Remember when yoda said to luke: Do or do not, there is no try.
No absolute in sight..
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@@bullet6140 I don't usually read comments, I just post and leave
@@bullet6140 i'm sorry i didn't expect it to even get seen or anything breh
@@betatrivus its fine its just weird you put the exact same grammar and sentence
I always loved that although the Jedi were undoubtedly the good guys, they had some serious flaws. The fact that they were so shady and extreme made it all the more believable.
AthkoreProductions I think that’s part of the point though, being good isn’t an extreme it’s a balance, all good needs a little bad. Anakin didn’t learn this he swung one extreme to the other, he was a black and white thinker. Jedi were more grey than we are lead to believe. Good isn’t perfect it’s human. Yes it’s also realistic.
The Jedi’s killed 2.8 million people
The dark side destroyed a planet to avoid war that would have had a bigger toll, kinda like the U.S dropping the bomb on Japan
The Jedi would always kill but the dark side would not when in conflict
Seems like the dark side are the good guys
@@CarlosSanchez-en6mr the dark side users controlled both sides in the war between the Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems, playing both as fools to enable Palpatine to activate Order 66 to unleash genocide against the Jedi.
6:16 Anakin was persuaded by Palpatine to kill Count Dooku. Palpatine is the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic which, like you said, are not a division of the Jedi Order. Plus, Anakin said it was not the Jedi way to execute Dooku. The reason he did was because *SPOILERS*....even though this should be common knowledge,
Palpatine was the Sith Lord, Darth Sideous who planned on making Anakin his pupil by coaxing him into the dark side of the force. Regardless Allen, this was just a misused example and shouldn't detract from the rest of your argument. I, for one, agree that the Jedi are no better than the Sith due to them dealing with absolutes.
MegaInfernape you do know what war is right?.... do you have even a single brain cell in your body?...
Since fall of sith Empire sith lords always had one Apprentice and most cases Apprentice would kill there masters but again cording some books not all sith our evil just like not all Jedi our good
Syn Starr all palpatine said was and I quote "do it"
It was a case of the Jedi doing what they thought was right but at the same time so caught up in what they're doing they just lose themselves.
Fact is they screwed up Anakin by using him as their Mule when he knew himself it wasn't right on certain things they asked him to do.
Was it wrong, was it jist what the had to do I don't know. But he was elevated up the ranks of responsibilities out of the rule books and he felt that wasn't fair to others.
They really went wrong when they asked him to be their snitch against the Emperor. He felt he himself was a legit man at the time but noticed there was some shady business going on and he had already been taking his information to them on his own as the Emperor was doing everything he could to keep An akin at his side.
So they asked him to he a spy against the Emperor which probably would have accomplished the same thing he was already accomplishing but he didn't want to pretend to be an ally knowing he was just doing it to get information which pretty well set him over the edge.
Anakin was a kid of high morality who lived a hard life and around immoral people and hated living in that life so he would have done what was right even if not asked as he felt it was in his moral nature to do so if it helped moral people. What they asked him to do was against his morality and inevitably he lost faith in the people who claimed to be his protectors.
Frustration and anger at that point just moved him to the dark side and the rest is history.
Again were the Jedi "bad guys" I don't believe so. Good people in a situation where they sometimes have to make out of the box choices.
Anakin grew up as a slave worker. He wouldn't understand that.
mega deth He was also fed the line of being "the chosen one" off and on for who knows how long. Imaging yourself a kid, having to have been taken from the only family he ever knew, taught a *very* strict code(I'd dare say so strict, it'd make the Vatican look like Vegas by comparison), and had ungodly levels of expectations heaped upon him. *And,* you have Palpatine, never letting a moment to manipulate him go to waste.
And there is that small matter of an *active Sith Shrine under the Jedi temple.* In their hubris, after defeating the Sith one time, instead of destroying the shrine, the Jedi chose, as a show of triumph, to build their temple over said shrine.
"A device designed to channel great darkness? Surely that'll neeeever be a hazardous issue for the great Jedi."😑
Dark jedi and light sith are the true pure force user, that value self ideaism, and balance.
mace windu be like: ain't only purples gettin that balance?
Grey Jedi
Both can be reffered to as: grey jedi
Example: ahsoka in the rebels series
Another example is Starkiller (Galen Marek)
@@jkodermann it's ironic Ahsoka and starkiller have same teacher.
that's only 1 of the many reasons i love ahsoka, she is the only 1 who sees how messed up the jedi r, and still fights for good
Yeah, the way she was treated in Season 5 by the Jedi Council and the Republic sickens me. No wonder she left. I can imagine Anakin telling off the Jedi Council after he parted company with Ahsoka and blamed them for her leaving and for how they treated her. If I were him, I'd tell them that once the war ends that I'd be leaving the Jedi Order as well.
The Gray Jedi are a lot like the original force users because they are half light and half dark users which is what makes the Gray Jedi awesome
Tom McDaniel they're not half light half dark, they're both light and dark.
+Tom McDaniel yea I'm a big fan of the grey Jedi I think one needs to bring balance with themselves before they can go around trying to balance the galaxy
Blood Dragon Bastion exactly and that's what makes them awesome
I, too, think the Grey Jedi have a better understanding of the Force than either the Jedi and Sith. They truly adhere to being balanced and still kept themselves grounded.
Mike Aponte exactly why I think the Gray Jedi are awesome
"Imperial Task Force on Extremism and Fundamentalism"----- LMAO
Oh god, do they have a task force like the CIA to fight against extremism
Anakin wasn't recruited, he stole a fighter and went to war on his own will.
Just as planned
@ King Commando
Qui-gon did not tell him to go shooting...
Qui-Gon was stupid for bring Anakin with them to Naboo in the first place.
Yes, because he thought he would be safe in case some stray blaster shot came his way.
Also to me the proof that the Jedi were right IS Qui-Gon Jinn... he fucked it up. He forced the Jedi to accept a new member everybody was feeling uncomfortable with.
Only because Qui-Gon decided to take Anakin with him, Palpatine discovered the young boy.
If not Anakin would have never really gotten to know the force.
Entropy3ko
Anakin was an incredibly powerful force sensitive. There have been numerous stories of such force sensitive children being as destructive as proton Torpedos, if not given the proper training.
Anakin was a ticking time bomb if no one found and trained him.
Wait, it doesn't make sense. They have to snatch babies from parents, cos' they can become dark side without jedi teachings, but reject anyone older, because attachments? Oh yeah, they surely will not become sith if they are rejected by jedi order. Wtf, really.
E. B. In the words of Spock, older people are "emotionally compromised". Anakin was already compromised when he left his mom and lost Qui-Gon at age 10 not to mention he had a Sith lord posing as a politician manipulating his mind throughout his Jedi training. It took the death of Shmi and his fear of losing Padme to push Anakin over to the dark side to the point where he becomes Darth Vader. Luke had it worst because he had to watch Owen, Beru, and Obi-wan die right in front of him. Then, he had his hand chopped off by Vader and went apeshit on Vader when he threatened to turn Leia to the dark side. The only reason Luke didn't go down the same path as Vader did is because:
-he found out Darth Vader is his father.
-he didn't have any Sith lords mind-twisting him since childhood like Vader was.
-he doesn't have a mother or a girlfriend to worry about like Vader did.
AND
-he's not easily fooled like Vader was.
If only Kylo Ren had followed Luke's example instead of Vader's.
Well, if you had young children, you could mold them. Older childeren are harder to mold, and training them in the ways of the force may only hasten their fall to the dark side, or give the existing sith a perfect tool to use since these jedi know the force well, and have an open mind and thus can be corrupted easily
Put simply, the risk of them falling to the dark side is too high to train them in the force, something illustrated by anakin perfectly
They didn't want Jedi get marriage either part of no attachments so no breeding you think they OK man and wife long as they both part of the order and have child that way train
loudboy317 Luke didnt watch his uncle and aunt die lmao.
The Jedi essentially thought anything other then what they taught led to the dark side. That's seriously dumb.
Shockwave: "These teachings are, elogical".
Kind of like religion, don't you think?
Jean-Claude Hogue ah, a man of culture
I admit, you aren't wrong on several of your points. But I DO have counters to several of them. First wit regards to the child soldiers: Anakin and by extension Ashoka are NOT "normal" padawans, they are people that WANTED to get involved. In Episode 1 Qui Gon told Anakin specifically NOT to get involved, and to "find a safe place and stay there" True he did bring him INTO a battle, but only in so far as to 1) keep an eye on him and 2) because there was literally no better place to bring him (the planet was blockaded and the entire city of Theed occupied) The "role" of a Padawan is to watch, observe, learn, and ask questions. So Ashoka and Anakin directly involving themselves was, unorthodox but they did so because they believed they could handle that involvement...and they did so quite well for the most part.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes: You cited Anakin killing Dooku, and Mace attacking Palpatine. You forget that Anakin was VERY hesitant to kill Dooku, and likely would not have had Palpatine not ordered him to, remember Palpatine was the Chancellor so this was akin to an executive order, which directly violated the Jedi Code. To Windu now, recall that he initially went to ARREST Palpatine, and bring him in alive. In addition, it took the deaths of THREE Jedi master, and several minutes of pitched battle for him to adopt the stance of Killing Palpatine.
Cen2050 Anakin should have stayed on Coruscant.
Recall that the Jedi were NOT going to take him in, he had no credits, or means to support himself. Padme had no residence to let him stay at (she was not a senator at the time) And he had no access to food. Qui-gon had access to republic credits for the initial diplomatic mission but couldn't just GIVE them away as he saw fit. Leaving Anakin on Coruscant would have been the absolute worst thing for him...because not only would it have left him completely alone, it would have left him in the PERFECT place for Palpatine to get his claws into him.
Respectfully Cen2050, why didn't Qui-Gon "Suggest" that Anakin remain with Boss Nass? He was nowhere near the fighting in *any* of the aspects of the Battle of Naboo.
Furthermore, one thing that was *not* pointed out in the video (as far as "Child Soldiers" is concerned) is the age of the Clones. Not only were they slave soldiers who were never given a choice, but due to the accelerated aging, they were only ten years old at the start of the war.
The use of the Clones also brings up another thought about how the Jedi value lives; the clones continued to age quite rapidly. While I don't know how long the Clone Wars lasted, Temura Morrison, the actor who played Jango Fett in the second prequel also played Commander Cody in the final one, appearing to be somewhere around forty years of age, if he were an unmodified human. That leads me to ask at how young of an age would the Republic expect their Clone protectors to have age related health issues? At thirty (assuming any survived to reach that age), they'd have the health problems of a sixty year old unmodified human. By the time one would be old enough to serve as the President of the United States (thirty five), he's reached the physical age of mandatory retirement here.
"Life creates and shapes The Force," yet the Jedi seem to have little regard for individuals within the scope of The Force, except for those who fanatically tow the line within their order.
Just for reference, Jeff Anderson, the Clone Wars lasted 3-4 years. Started in 22 BBY, ended in 19 BBY.
Jeff Anderson, I fully admit I did not consider that and concede that point. The ONLY justification I can offer is concern/suspiscion that the Gungan force would be completely routed and their encampment would be subsequently found/annihilated...or worse just bombarded from space. Whereas Theed was too important to attack from space.
You are also NOT wrong about the clones, But I humbly and respectfully disagree with your assessment of their treatment and occasional mistreatment at the hands of the Jedi: The concept of them being "child soldiers" while accurate technically is not accurate physically or, more importantly, physiologically: Just because a humanoid has only lived for 6 years does not mean they have the developmental progress of a 6 year old human. There are sentient races in other science and fantasy games, and series that only live for 6-10 "earth" years. What we are essentially looking at is a genetically altered "offshoot race" of Humans that have accelerated aging/learning. The clones were specifically, genetically crated for combat. WE, as viewers know this is not morally or ethically right. But pull an Obi-Wan, and look at it from the clones point of view: 99% of them were shown more than fair and equitable treatment, from their Jedi Generals: Generals who were, for the most part, NOT happy with the situation but had to chose the lesser of two evils. Generals who DID mourn the loss of their men, because they each had a distinct identity in The Force.
War, it is said, brings out the worst in people. In the case of the Star Wars universe, that meant the creation of a clone army, and the transition of a legendary (if secretive) organization of diplomats, peacekeepers and philosophers into a military command structure.
I think this is why the real hero of the series for me was Han Solo. He wasn't trying to reinstate an extremist religious order, he was trying to do the right thing....in spite of himself.
That's a fact. Han Solo also didn't want to join the Rebel Alliance initially.
In an alternate universe, Han might have been a Mandalorian. He shares a lot of their values and ideals, but is even *more* independent.
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Top ten reasons the dark side is not as bad as we thought it was
The Jedi probably should have stuck to recruiting at age 13. Keeping tabs on potential recruits till then is fine, but not baby snatching. They should have then instructed new initiates how do deal with the dark side temptations, something common in teenagers.
Jason Motsinger but at least give them an option to join just don't force them to
That's a pretty good idea. Mix that idea with teaching balance of the Force and bam, you got yourself a not-a-cult!
Jason Motsinger and Christian T-D 85 What you both are describing was actually a key policy of Luke's Jedi Order in the EU/Legends Universe. He absolutely refused to force young initiates to join the order; full-time membership was a completely voluntary choice.
I feel the Sith are more true to themselfs. Of course there are intrinsic problems with each order, but the Sith don't reject their feelings. The rejection of feelings that the Jedi teach is counter to the realities of life. Jedi say the Sith are lost to their emotions, but a true Sith would in all cases aspire to control and harness their emotions, so they can use the power that are imbeded in emotions.
Yaser Olegev denying emotion is surely not a realistic expectation. However emotions are fleeting, for a Sith to be completely complicit with any given emotion is not really that good of an idea. IJS
The issue with the Sith is that the Dark Side overwrites whom they were before. For example, Yuthura Ban originally joined the sith to bring justice and freedom to the child slaves on planets across the galaxy, Ryloth in particular. By the time you meet her, all she wants is power, and thus isn't herself any longer.
@The Goofball thats because she was sith. Sith are about freedom and acquiring power. Her being obsessed with power has nothing to do with the darkside and everything with her following the sith code
The problem with the Sith is, while they do not reject their feelings, they instead allow themselves to be controlled by those feelings. Usually feelings of hatred, anger, and lust. To me allowing yourself to be controlled by such emotions is just as bad as trying to suppress your emotions.
When have the sith ever forbade love? That has never been a thing. If anything a lot of sith shy away from it because many see how it can be a weakness and exploited. Like Malgus... who also saw how it could give him more power... and even after killing his love, he loved her. But its never been a rule, and many have loved
And yes, the sith are about freedom, more specifically personal freedom. The entirety of the sith code is about that; the more power you have the more freedom that power affords you.
Strength -> Power -> Victory -> Broken Chains -> Force = Free
A quote that sums up sith philosophy is "Only those with the strength to seize their destiny deserve to have one".
@Emmett Leone-Woods Sith arent suppose to allow their emotions to control them, they're suppose to use their emotions to fuel their power. In many ways, a prime example of what a sith is, is Malgus. The moment he realized his love for Eleena was detrimental to him and his growth as a sith, he decided to kill her. He still loved her, and he used the emotions he had for her and her death, give him a great deal more power. If his emotions controlled him, he wouldnt have made that decision.
Yea, there are sith that get lost in their emotions, but sith are suppose to be the ones in control of themselves and nothing else
Who created the Sith? The answer is the JEDI.
Indeed they did, a group of Judi (the name they were called before splitting into Jedi and Sith), thought that the Dark Side was pure EVIL and wanted it eradicated. Eventually those with more affinity with Dark than Light were driven away by these people who were afraid of their brethren. Ironic since the Jedi Order of the Repulblic believed that fear is a path to the Dark Side.
The Sith species we're always there and their order was already made, they just need someone too teach them the ways of the dark side and the empire they needed to forge, and there it was the Dark Jedi.
And plus in our reality monks don't lead armies or believe in war and learn to not just control their emotions but to calculate them as well both body and mind my dad was a Buddhist once you can ask him.
I agree with our friend Allan i'm glad to see folks like him showing us the true reality of what the Jedi are including our own galaxy so thanks Allan 100.0% keep it up.
A rogue Jedi faction
@@nobleman9393 In this case it is the same thing.
@@Amell_Wesker In the movies, particularly in the prequels, that is absolutely true. The Jedis teachings and training methods emotionally/psychologically destroy anyone who has ever known healthy emotional support, real family, and real love. Basically, anyone who has any sort of understanding what it means to be a regular person with healthy emotional support, personal interests, and close relationships outside of Yoda’s space soldier cult of total emotional/individual:psychological denial and detachment would lose their mind trying to fit in with them, and then become Sith when they could no longer deal with the Council’s bullshit anymore and thought all their options to do any better or find support were exhausted.
It’s tragically ironic that Anakin Skywalker is actually more like the ideal Jedi knight that Obi Wan, Yoda, and the Council kept trying to force him to be in the prequels as Darth Vader after he gets burned up, put in that life support suit, and loses everyone else he cared about (at least in part because of his own doing, though also because of the Council and Obi Wan). He becomes more apathetic and detached, learns to delude himself with that whole “it’s for the greater good” mantra that they all taught him to use to rationalize the atrocities he commits against anyone who seems to get in the way of that mission, learns to blindly and obediently serve Sidious and the Empire, regardless of the person’s age, ability, creed, guilt, innocence, or race. While he still has adrenaline junkie, blind rage, and manic episodes on occasion, he’s far more focused and emotionally self-controlled than he was in his younger years before going completely off the rails.
While he’s not wholly innocent himself, the prequels are a pretty tragic story of how the road to hell is paved with good intentions and how to create a monster.
I agree agree agree. However, if the Jedi, namely Obi-Wan had given Anakin's dreams credence (and Padme' too) and said ok, let's go check it out, after all they were in the business of saving innocence, then his mother would've been saved early on (as she was taken a month b4 when Anakin's "dreams" began) and he would not have been so uncontrollably angry as she'd still have been alive. So you could argue, it was still the Jedi's fault. As was them pushing Anakin to spy on his friend and use other than honorable methods to achieve their goals in RotS, going against their own "Jedi way". Anakin was manipulated by both sides, with the Jedi really only interested in controlling him and his prophecy fulfillment. IMO.
Right like how do you just leave the chosen ones og to be a slave ... Petty 😂😂😂😂
I made these points 17 years ago my freshman year of college. I wholeheartedly agree. These revelations are what I hope Luke Skywalker has realized in the upcoming Last Jedi movie. Balance in the force is the only way.
Im hoping so as well!
Or Kreia. There's a 2 hour video on her philosophy
JohnnyNismo who the fuck said "balance" was intrinsically good?
david, "balance" may or may not be intrinsically good or bad, hence why it is called balance. Balance denotes a fair blend of two opposing forces, and "true balance" would a blend that allows no, or limited, movement toward either force without an increase of force from one side or the other. And "perfect balance" would be like "true balance" but would not allow any increase in force on either side and would remain in "perfect balance." But to achieve any form of "balance" you need input from two side, preferably from opposing forces, in an even amount. Otherwise, be the force good or evil, it would be "unbalanced" and that is intrinsically not good. And that is something that both the Jedi and Sith knew, the difference is the Sith sought to unbalance the force in there favor, and the Jedi ignored it in their teaching, even actively sought to suppress voices that raised how unbalanced in the "Light" the Jedi Order had become.
grey jedi arent greater masters of the force; there hasnt been anything in starwars to imply that utilizing both light side and dark side aspects of the force makes you more powerful. It gives you more options, yes.. but that doesnt make you more potent or provides a greater magnitude of power. And if your goal is to constantly maintain balance within yourself, and not move freely... you're restricted, just like if you were to limit yourself to either the light or the dark
It is interesting as well as highly relevant to note that Anakin Skywalker's attachments werent what lead him to the dark side, but rather the Jedi Order's rejection of attachment that made his fall all but inevitable. If Anakin were permitted to save his mother months before he actually did leave to find her, back when he first had the dreams about her, he could have gotten to her in time. And if Anakin had felt able to take his dreams of Padme's death to the Jedi Elders without fear of reprisal, they could surely have advised him on how best to handle the situation and they could have worked out the situation together, logically and without the need to abandon the light side of the force.
The Jedi order was its own undoing. For balance to be attained, the order - and not only the Sith - had to fall.
@Generation Tech number 9 "who created the sith" repeats for number 10, when it should be number 10.
I saw that too.
The Jedi must've created the Sith twice over then
I'm 90% sure they did. Probably more, actually.
True balance of the Force requires an understanding not only in principle but also in practice of all the Force is actually capable of doing. Both the Jedi who only adhere to the light and the Sith who strictly adhere to the dark are bastardizing the Force. It is a balance of light and dark and you much know both sides intimately through use to know this balance.
The Red Rabbit Wouldn’t the Grey Jedi be the Jedai then (or however it’s spelled)? That is a balance, light and dark.
@@mikaelasimonsen2017 The Je'daii order.
Obi Wan-Kenobi famously once said: “HELLO THERE!”
GENERAL KENOBI
As a product of Jedi rejection myself, I have been saying that crap for years. At least as a Sith, you don't have to worry about all of those "group hug sessions," were really uncomfortable, and now you know why I fell to Dark Side. I am still going through therapy now, so I am going pass on your offer of a hug, Allen, but great job, sir, great job.
Guardian Of The Divine Feminine are you going in a roundabout way to ask for a hug? Well I've known Allen longer, and he's not going to be getting a hug, so your chances are about the same as Anakin's were on the low ground.
Darth Xeven you're really delusional huh
JAMES COOK AND BUGSHOT are you trying use a Jedi mind trick on me?
david yes, yes I am.
Guardian Of The Divine Feminine....and your welcome but still no hug for you!
“I’d rather have Obi Wan Kenobi as a neighbor then that psycho who doesn’t like sand”😂😂😂😂
That's because he is such a decent person, he's not just a jedi, he's Obi Wan Kenobi
At least that psycho would have my back if something went wrong. Obi Wan would have to consult the council to see whether or not to accept my invite to share a beer.
tbh I feel like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Satine and their kids would prob be the goody too shoes of the neighborhood
Jedi run a secret prison facility !!
Are you talking about Belsavis? If so, I agree with you
@@Biazyn The Jedi run a secret prison facility called The Prism !!
@@Raining_Heavily I guess both of these places are called "Republic's dirtiest secret"
The Jedi must end - Luke Skywalker
Steven Anchundia whats your icon or something
Chieftain
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The balance must be restored .....no more Jedi, no more Sith .... that's why in "The Last Jedi", Luke will embrace the dark...without abandoning the light......embracing the full spectrum.
Actually it's "it's time for the Jedi to end"
The Jedi and sith wanted the same thing
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True. The Jedi had power and were determined to hold on to it, forever.
Now i am wondering: *WHAT IF* the real Dr. Phil said that out loud on stage?
A sort of a Devil's Advocate question here: If the Sith have developed (or shall I say, readopted) similar practices of the Jedi as the ones mentioned in this video (not excluding possible others), would there be a higher likelihood/occurrence of more Siths who eventually turn to the light side?
This is the simple true implication that got overlooked for decades within this fiction. Polarizing parties that wanted to make a mint on over simplified ideals of good and evil run it all.
I know it’s all fiction, but that last one was spot on. Makes Yoda’s speech on fear leading to the dark side a bit unwise. If Lucas wanted the Jedi to be infallible guardians of good he messed up from Empire on. If he intended this then he is more of a genius than I thought.
By the time of the Empire, both the Republic and the Jedi Order as institution were pretty much at their nadir and so far than infallible
I think the issue is they asked people to do things that were unnatural, or were beyond the capacity for most humans. Yeah, OK jealousy is bad, but people need attachments. It's normal. Getting married was not a light side activity, and in fact, I would suggest that allowing marriage could have been an incentive to greater commitment to the Jedi, because they wanted to protect not just some vague notion of 'democracy' or 'The Republic' but their own families.
Banning attachments and emotions was seen as a way of protecting people, but in itself resulted from fear and proved to be counter-productive.
Mace Windu actually does use a balance of light and dark side powers.
It's one of the reasons he uses a purple lightsaber.
Way to miss the point.
@@salihalexanderesq.2243 like a stormtruper
Not. It's purple because S.L. Jackson wanted to be different from the others, to look cooler. Vanity...
"Illegal or in a circus"
Not Really...
In Darth Plagueis there is a scene in a casino (not Canto Byte) where the casino would employ Force Sensitives to detect whether someone was using the Force to manipulate dice or other aspects of gambling to cheat
I think the Jedi are ok. Not great, but ok
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Order 66 was the best order of the galaxy!
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Execute the traitor
It will be done m'lord.
I know the sith are stronger than the jedi. and the code of the sith is superior than the jedi code.
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"the pshyco that doesnt like sand" whos that?
A Face For a Skull Really? Darth Vader
for real?
A Face Face For a Skull It's Anakan Skywalker
A Face For a Skull the psycho who doesn't like sand is actually Anakin Skywalker, who makes comments like that about sand before he becomes Darth Vader.
A Face For a Skull the guy that has the low ground
Well in the Dark Side case, it's hard to say that a sith is disarmed when he could shoot force lightning at you any given time.
The Jedi may not have been perfect but it's very hard for me to understand the point of view of people who say they are no better than the Sith.
Knowing that the Star Wars Universe presents a galaxy where multiple force sentient people exist, that these force powers make them way more powerful than the average living being and give them the option to completely dominate non force users, I surely prefer to have the ones who invoke altruism, restraint, peace and harmony over the ones only believe in passion, strength and power.
I prefer a Jedi Order, with all of it's flaws, that at least TRIES to search for the greater good, than a Sith Order seeking only power and personal satisfaction. The Jedi may have broken some of their core beliefs in war with the Sith, but I believe the possibility of seeing a Sith Order emerge is even worse, and therefore justifies it in part.
Realising that the Jedi Order is not perfect, while saddening, is not a reason to lower it to the levels of the Sith Order.
You mean flaws like genociding the shit out of people who are Dark Side users like the Pureblood Sith and the Ubese? The Sith weren't about genocide until that moment when they were facing extinction and the Jedi would jump on the Genocide Wagon again when Revan built a Droid Army who killed every being with only 1% of Sith Genes so please tell me again the Jedi are doing a "greater good" while the only thing they do ist the same like the Sith: Seeking Power.
*GREY JEDI INTENSIFIES*
Imran >
genes such as the sith its not like it is here on earth you heard sith alchemy. A off spring can literally end up not compassionate none loving hateful evil greedy power hungery basically would you want a kid that's
( bi polar or has insanity ) and if you knew these genes would cause your kid to be evil what if you had kid born with pedo gene and their was high chance lets say 80 % that it would influence his or her feelings would you still want the kid born???
Pureblood Sith are not creatures born out of sith alchemy that is pure bs. You cant justify murdering an entire species just because "ermahguurd ewiiil", because guess what, it is all about perspective's and that the Jedi are as genocidal as the Sith Order was proven many many times. So don't try that angle the only thing you can throw at a Sith is that their society is build on a Caste System and the poor are treated like shit but thats not a thing in what would happen in the Republic right? RIGHT? Oh i forgot , the poor in the republic don't even have a opportunity to rise up because entire families stay poor for generations eventhough they are capable. Oh and i would really overthink your position about genocide because if we use that parameters than you are using then we should purge the whole middle east and africa, because they have archaic societies where murder and slavery is their daily life.
Imran
I don't know much about Star Wars history not related to the original 6 trilogy but I still prefer the Jedi to the Sith and would certainly prefed living in a Republic run by the Jedi who seem focused towards altruism as much as possible than an empire run by the Sith who only seem to be interested in personal gains. Judging by the original trilogy, it's kinda hard to say Palpatine wasn't the bad guy by plotting against the Republic and preparing Jedi genocide for decades.
Concerning the genocides committed by the Jedi that I didn't know of, they must obviously represent a very dark page of the Jedi Order and a very difficult decision for them to make at the time, one that, tough questionable, was probably made with the greater good intention of not having selfish Sith run the Galaxy.
What I like about order under the Jedi, is that you could, as a civilian, present this fact of genocide committed by them and expect them to admit the wrong that there was in it, even tough they did it for the greater good, or what they tought was the greater good.
Put a Sith in front of the same facts, and he would probably laugh at you as he doesn't care about any morals other than personal gain and power. Laugh at you that is, if he doesn't decide to directly electrocute you with Sith lightning for is own amusment.
Doing something bad for a greater altruist good, or what is tought to be (tough always condemnable, and I'm sure the Jedi had a great deal of remorse following their act), does not equal doing something bad for the sheer sake of personal gain and power. You can discuss a wrongful act committed by a jedi, but you can't discuss one committed by the Sith, as they do not care about right and wrong, unlike the Jedi.
The Jedi are therefore not perfect and perhaps even less than that, but their quest to be good (such a hard thing to do when you think about it) makes them better than the Sith and their quest for ultimate selfishness.
Going back to what I know better, the 6 movie trilogy, it is quite evident that the Jedi are better than the Sith. In the Republic, the Jedi do not seek ultimate power but only to be a positive guiding force in that Republic, aknowledging that not everything is up to them, while Palpatine just wants everything for himself, even tough large segments of his galactic population do not seem satisfied when he becomes empreror. And he doesn't care one single bit about it, just like he didn't care blowing up entire planets as a show of force.
if anything attachments are more likely to prevent someone from going to the darkside, while detachments are what lead the dark side, and anakin was the biggest example of that
The Jedi: Ok, we got someone on the way to help us defect the Sith, and bring Balance to the Force.
Force: *Creats "The Chosen One"*
The Jedi: Wait! Why are we at war? And how come the Republic Chaneller saying "Dew it"?
Force: It's a surprise tool that will help us later.
#11 They say “m’lady” which is extremely messed up.
Younglings.
Pfft leave it to a Jedi to assume genders
Anakin wasn't going to kill Dooku until Palpatine goaded him into it; he then says he shouldn't have done it because it wasn't the Jedi way. Mace Windu was also violating the Jedi way when giving into his fear that Palpatne was too dangerous to live. So this was not behavior taught or championed by the jedi, quite the opposite. I could be wrong, but I don't believe children were ever taken against the will of their parents because they were force sensitive. It was simply that the parents had a choice of allowing them to train with the Jedi from when they were young or never be able to join or be trained. Asking such a thing of a parent is 'bold' to say the least, but as long as it is optional and there is no coersion, it cannot really be referred to a 'baby stealing'. Younglings in general, were not warriors. Ahsoka was young, but also an alien, so who knows what human psychology applies there. Anakin was at least 18 when the Clone Wars started, and in the actual live action films, Jedi children were never a part of the war effort.
The Jedi were like a cult.
Not like. They Were a cult, a cult of space wizard samurai.
@Xrystiana Heiselt: Don't forget Kung-Fu.
One funded by the government
More like a standard Religion
They where the catholic church with spaceships and lightsabers.
If obi wan was my neighbor I would stay upstairs and yell "don't try it I have the high ground "
Maybe Luke was right in saying that the Jedi must end. It's time for the return of the Empire!
... but continued "training" Rey, completely changed his mind, then at the end of the movie said "i will not be the last jedi".
Thank you Ruin Johnson.
@@SrbijaCG I curse that man!!!
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Some ways to fix the Jedi:
1. Jedi Knights/Master raise force sensitive children alongside their parents, maybe multiple per teacher in some kind of schooling community. That might help making them understand what is right to do but without cutting them off and life potentially ruining them.
2. See more Grey and be a bit more open and transparent to things outside the Order.
3. Controlling emotions doesn't mean shutting them off. Emotion can and often will come suddenly then overwhelm and that is the biggest risk of it. Jedi should be prepared for that and learn to still keep a calm mind during this times to decide what is best.
4. Allow teenager/adults to be taught Jedi but still be mindful and careful. Even (slightly) messed up minds can be brought back to the right path and stick to it when done right.
5. Get rid of that arrogance and think more thoroughly what you do, without believing your above laws and regulations. Although, even politicians of our time have something called "political immunity" that protects them from immediate repercussions, even if they drive kill some civilians so they can do their job. But they at least aren't absolutely immune to punishments. It's just way more complicated to hold them responsible for their actions
6. Teach more about the Dark Side and all it's temptations with the many forms it can take on and how and why you should resist it.
Surely this won't solve all the issues and there will still be those loosing their path because that's just the (human) nature of sentient beings but I believe it would be better like this.
Mace Windu was the closest thing to what the creatures of the Jedi and Sith. He used both dark and light side powers and this wasn’t a secret. And the thing with putting earth laws and practices on alien world and cultures it doesn’t usually work very well.
This is why I want Episode IX for the Jedi to truly end! They must transcend to something different, where the Force speaks to all and not just to an elite. We'll just have to see if that happens.
You were wrong.
"do or do not, there is no try"
"But only a Sith works in absolutes!"
It mean that if you just try you set yourself for fail, do or do not mean putting 100% of yourself in the effort...Star Wars Rebels docet
the jedi are war criminals in the war sith vs jedis when the mandalorian joined the sith a comando of jedis one drops experimental bomb on mandalore and one renders sterile. the planet was devoid of any defense, and the population was composed of the wounded of a child and of old, a fine military man, and to crown the whole he was congratulated for their action.
sorry for my english i am french
batiste poli given that whole war was a Sith plot I don't feel this is a good example. The leaders Revan and Malak both succumbed to the darkside. But I respect anyone that can't drop facts about the Mass Shadow Generator to begin with.
That is no longer canon
Sith are artists driven by raw emotion and passion. Jedi are rational and deny all emotional distraction or human pleasure. What's odd is that both actually foster societies that are polar opposites of their fundamental beliefs creating paradox
6:16 : Both the cases mentioned here were *exceptions* to the _Jedi way_ :
1. The execution of Count Dooku, on instigation of Palpatine, later caused Obi Wan to reprimand Anakin
2. Palpatine aka Darth Sidious, who was too powerful due to being head of Senate, understanding of the Force and connections, was indeed too dangerous to be left to the judicial process. That justified the one-time exception tried by Master Windoo
In general, criminals with taken captive and were tried with judicial process and not directly executed
lol I been saying this for years,
ObiWan:"Only the Sith deal in Absolutes",
Me:"You absolutly sure about that?"
This is why I like the old republic Jedi! The sith were trying to be human and the Jedi were not
+Katie Dennis yea old republic Jedi and even earlier versions of the jedaii were much more balanced
Katie Dennis The Sith were more organized than the Jedi. This is why Revan was not afraid to join the dark side, because he knew better that the light side was getting more flawed.
when they joined the republic they started becoming soliders
Batata Assada the greatest mistake the jedi did was create the sith and join the republic
Existent David they didn't create the sith, sith created themselves, they existed(sith species) before the jedi then the dark jedi went to their homeworld
I think youre totally right!
I sometimes asked myself: "How can there be a balance, if theres only the light side, tyat rules?" It makes no sense that the Jedis are seen as the good guys and the sith always have to sneak their way uo to power
Because the Sith usually act like psycopath maniac and nobody on his right mind will put them in power if had a choice. Plus world of god state that the Dark SIde act like a cancer in the force, so it's never a question of numbers but mere presence
These are some of the things I addressed in my Star Wars rewrite that I to this day can't believe Lucas didn't have the self-awareness to acknowledge.
"No. I am a Jedi. Like my father before me."
"You say that as if it's something to be proud of. What do you _really_ know about the Jedi? I'll tell you what I know: they were hypocrites, liars, and killers. They _butchered_ their way to the Republic's favor, grew their numbers through threats of death, abducted children, forced false promises and code down their throats, and stifled their development. 'There is no emotion,' they'll tell you, 'there is peace.' As if you could have peace without emotion. They claim that only a Sith deals in absolutes, while they condemn any _slight_ deviation from their doctrine as a path to the Dark Side. I mingled among them for decades, and they _never_ suspected I would be their undoing. They were _blind._ Blind to _me,_ blind to you father's cries for help, and blind to the infinity of the Force, beyond the infinitesimal slivers which they in their ignorance called light and dark. I _slaughtered_ them, because I could see the _truth._ There _are_ no _sides_ of the Force. Only _power_ and those with the conviction to understand it. Like me. Like _you,_ Luke."
"You're no better than they were."
"At least _I_ no longer hide my demons away. I did away with their endless rules, their petty restrictions. I created a society in which _no one_ has to hide their demons away. In my Empire, emotions do not hold you back. They make you _stronger."_
9:01 this was a nice touch. A chuckled escaped me.
Don't forget that the Jedi want to disarm the people. It takes a good deal of training and resources to make/use a lightsaber, but anyone can learn to use a blaster quickly. Obi Wan repeatedly scoffs at the idea and no Jedi uses both in tandem.
6:53 untrue, the darkside users originally split off and the light siders attacked them.
i am a sith Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me
I agree with most on the list, but on example 8 both the Jedi and Sith are dealing in absolutes regarding their faction's beliefs versus that their procaimed enemy.
Play through KotOR and try to tell me that Jolee Bindo isn't the most reasonable character in the game. Oh, wait, you can't. Gray Jedi are the best.
This is like the Vatican!!!
Yes really
@@HOSPlTALLER It's every organized religion.
6:09 anakin skywalker was turning to the dark side and mace windu is known for mastering both. He didnt try to kill palpitine just bc he wanted to, but actually bc Palpatine was in control of eveything so he would get away with anything
Remember that one legends story when the Jedi SLAUGHTERED every single Sith they could see, INCLUDING the race!!! But they failed
wait if the dark side are wearing literal dark robes does that mean that the government is the the dark side since they are wearing dark suits👤.
Gosh, this is the angle on the story that really makes the prequel trilogy awesome. Thanks gen tech! I’m grateful for RUclips like these that expand on the lore. Been years since I’ve seen the Lucas films, I’m excited for when I do with a new lense
He keeps bringing up international law but star wars doesn't take place on earth
*In space... no one can file your war crime accusations.*
EA_Toxin maybe, but there are reasons for those international laws. And the humans from star wars are the same as on earth, meaning that f.e. PTSD can effect them too.
Scarce which didn't seem to change their bodies or behavior significantly
EA_Toxin He’s subjecting them to our laws rather than that of the Star Wars galaxy, which, in turn, makes us see how good or bad they’d be if they lived on Earth
EA_Toxin
Not only Star Wars takes place in a galaxy far far away it also takes place a long time ego...
Not a Star Wars fan, but it always sounded odd how a faction could choose the "Light Side" but at the same time value balance.
That's.. not how picking one side over the other works...
Because it's seem that balance is meant as absence of conflict in the force, conflict that the mere presence of the Sith create; not two side have equal power
Actually the movies never say "Light Side." That came later with other writers. In the movies, it's more like there's the Force and then there's corrupted Force (Dark Side).
Ever since the recent Star Wars films and when I finished Star Wars the clone wars, my view on the jedi changed. The Jedi are some of the biggest hypocrites.
Long live the empire
Nah the empire is worse than the Jedi at least the Jedi or Republic before it became the empire did not blow up planets.
@@camrenmugabe4166 Alderran would be fine if the rebellion just didn't exist.
One is just as blind in pure light as one who is lost in pitch darkness...
When I was young. Something always bugged the crap out of me about the Jedi order, but I couldn't rationalise it. Thanks, this is actually putting words to those feelings.
Yeah besides I aways thought the stormtroopers looked cooler
King Gaming Don't you mean Clones
Misael Ramirez yes but no I just don't like rebels
King Gaming hell yeah I hate the rebels
King Gaming
did just said"yes but no I just don't like rebels"because he corrected you about the stormtroopers,because you thought that he likes rebels for doing so?I'm just assuming stuff.
When ever other RUclipsr's do this I do not watch them, but when you do this well, I am typing this.
+Spencer Holden haha thanks appreciate you for watching we always tried to find a unique angle it's more of a thought exercise than a list video
Firstly palpatin was the one who orchestrated the clone wars and force the clones to be used for war against the separtists so the jedi didnt have time to think or judge whether they should use them or not , because the republic was attacked . Many Jedi had really good bonds with the clones and thought of them as normal beings such as Obi and Anakin. And Anakin killed Dooku because at that time he was under influence from palpatin. Babies were not snatched , some parents refused to send the children to be trained and others wanted to send the kids to be trained under the jedi. And even though the republic goes by democracy , the jedi cant reveal everything that they know or plan to common public or even the senate because at the end they are a cult that gives the support to democracy . At the end even they were flawed like everything else and ended for that time.
although the jedi rules are flawed your points are straw maned to hell not to mentioned 2 grand masters in that day were once darksiders aka yoda and mace they were so hard on this because they know how the darkside hurt them
This is why I'm a Grey Jedi!
Abdulaziz Rex same
Me too!
Gray Jedi are truly the way to go. Balance is the way
Asoka is one
Abdulaziz Rex Same
Something just dawned on me. If we're supposed to believe that the First Order is messed up for taking in people as children to train them to kill (a nine year old boy was considered "too old" to begin training), why do the good guys do the exact same thing? I get that the Jedi are peacekeepers rather than warriors but still, the kids are raised without parents and can be sent into battle at the ripe old age of fourteen. The Jedi are forbidden from having attachments which effectively keeps any of them from taking the role of a parent and makes it difficult for them to procreate without violating the Jedi code.
I know about the 'Baby stealing'.
After I read the sith code I thought to myself 'Maybe the Jedi are the bad guys and sith the good guys, and we just see it from that one perspective.'
BTW The only reason why rebels ever win is by pure luck and the force.
It's called "plot power"
Lol