Most so-called "grey" Jedi are closer to actual Jedi philosophy than mainstream Jedi. Ahsoka is certainly one example, but the greatest example would be Revan. He started as a Jedi, went full Sith, then returned to the Light. More than anyone, he had perspective that most--if not all--Jedi and Sith lacked. Of course, no one listened. Malak betrayed him, as did the Sith under Malak's command (by extension, if not on purpose) and even after saving the Republic and destroying both Malak and the Star Forge the Jedi refused to listen to him as well.
The Jedi Order made a lot of mistakes during and before the clone wars, but perhaps their most greivous was the fact that they focused on protecting the republic as a governemnt instead of as a people, yes the Jedi serve the republic, but they serve it's people not it's politicians. I think the Jedi order forgot that.
How about by choosing not to free anakin's mother from slavery thereby leaving the entire galaxy victim to the chance that her suffering will lead the chosen one, child of the midicalorians, down a path to the dark side. That was a pretty big fuck up. All in religious fervor to their philosophy that not caring about anyone is the right way to help people, even though it was clear time and again that personal attachments served a function for them- like with obi wan and qui gon for instance
Reminds me of a quote by her actually. "It's every citizens duty to challenge their leaders, to keep them honest, and hold them accountable if they're not."
Teenagers aren't old enough to be set in their ways, teens know they don't know everything so they're not so rigid. Adults can forget they don't know everything and get stuck in their ways. Those who succeed in life are the ones who remember life is constantly changing.
NEMESIS T-TYPE Is that why she did the opposite of what she preached? She’s a crazy hypocrite who murdered an unknown amount of people just to make a hippy statement about “peace” if that common sense, then I don’t want it.
I'm more interested in what happened to Bariss after Order 66 and how she viewed her actions when she looked back at them. Did she recognize her mistakes, or did she come to serve the Empire in some capacity, learning nothing?
gony82 You're kinda right, but Ahsoka's opponent in Rebels was Vader. Making Bariss an Inquisitor in that show would have given her a second opponent, and Ahsoka never showed up often enough to warrant that. I believe that Bariss's role was fulfilled years before Rebels in the timeline.
It's not canon anymore, but in one of the comics Disney made Legends Bariss is once again fighting with the Jedi towards the end of TCW. So it means at some point they released her and she went back to the order. She actually is on Felucia with Secura when order 66 commences. Both are killed during order 66. Sadly this was the only story about Bariss after TCW and now with it not being canon she has no after story.
Look at anakin, you can tell he's secretly thinking "Damn, she's got some good points, I should really think about killing all the children some day" Obi Wan sitting up there on his high ground looking down like "Fuck, some serious shit is about to go down"
I agree 100% with the interpretation offered in this video but more importantly, I think it highlights why Ahsoka Tano is the most popular Star Wars character outside of the (official) movie cannon world. Ahsoka just has a sense and sensibility about her that causes everyone to deeply admire and respect her. And yet, despite her high level of emotional intelligence and physical prowess, she's also very human, has her crappy moments, makes mistakes like everyone else. Her imperfections make you love and admire her more as a character. She doesn't come across as a Mary Sue nor as an arrogant or aloof perfectionist Jedi. Really one of the most well-crafted characters I have ever seen in the Star Wars universe! I'd love to find out more about how the ideas for her character came about among the creators of the Star Wars expanded universe.
The best thing about Ahsoka was always her sense of responsibility. Unlike many Jedi (Yes, Mace Windu, I'm looking at you), Ahsoka accepted responsibility for her own actions, instead, of going with 'the Force made me do it'. It's very much in character that she would evaluate Barriss' words and actions in a clear-headed fashion, despite her own personal sense of betrayal.
@@yesyouheardme8949 she did. you don't go betraying your friends, murdering hundreds, letting your friends take the fall and still say you haven't fallen to the dark side.
Three of the "wise" Jedi High Councilors hearing a direct warning about the fall of the Republic and the blindness of the Order, yet they were too close minded to learn from the incident.
In episode 2 Dukoo straight up tells Kenobi the republic was under the control of a Sith lord. Given the Jedis reduced strength in the force, that must be coming from SOMEWHERE, you'd think they might look into it.
This scene was much more pivotal moment in the SW saga than many realize. While I certainly do NOT agree with her actions, or the fact that Askoa was unfairly blamed for Bariss's act...(which lead her to leave the Jedi Order due to their initial distrust of Asoka which changed her POV of the order as well), this doesn't mean she was not entirely incorrect with her statement/confession. Bariss clearly saw something very wrong that was happening with the Order.More importantly how the Jedi order was either too entrenched in their traditions, or too elitist -like to help them (Bariss and to a certain degree Asoka) when they needed their wisdom and help. So focused on the traditions of the past, and the productivity of the future, they never bothered to look at the here and now. Sound familiar?
This was a moment with an extreme meaning for not just the Jedi Order, but for the Republic and the Empire. For the Jedi Order, the Order as a whole had to reflect on the fact that a Jedi pointed out some of the flaws with their entire way of life. As a Jedi, everyone had to face their fears with the war and the flaws with the Order. Some left after meditating upon realizing the elitist position required of all Jedi. But most stayed because they saw no other option, or ignored these problems. The Republic began to fear the Jedi, and for good reason. They realized that the Jedi could leave the war and the Republic. Just as well, for the average citizen, Barriss' bombing disrupted trust of the Jedi. That the generals of their war are monsters. This fear made it easier to for Palptine to claim the Jedi tried to assassinate him and cause panic. Without the bombing incident, he may never have been able to pull of Order 66 because the Jedi would have been able to sense it, not be drowned by their fears and worries.
its important to learn from the past to avoid repeating past mistakes while preparing for the future to better predict situations but if you ignore the present its possible that a person could miss something critically important thus may end up missing out on seeing the future
CarbiesChronicles I've read it once and listened to the audio book three times. The plot and characterization are good, but the writing is a little sloppy and often uses the same uncommon adjectives/terms in a short amount of time. Still a good read, but some things are definitely noticeable (especially the fact there are whole conversations described as "she said", " he said", "Ahsoka said" etc)
My sister always says everything happens for a reason. I don't always agree with my sister, but it's crazy how that little piece of advice rings so true.
Ahsoka interpreting Barriss Offee's betrayal gives more meaning to why Luke in TLJ thought the legacy of the Jedi is failure and why he thought ending the Jedi was a good idea.
Awesome video as always!!! I had kind of wondered what the surviving Jedi thought about Bariss's confession after order 66. Can't wait to see what you do next! Thanks SWRC!!! :D
Yup. The Jedi Order were palpatines puppets. Ashoka, walked away and didn't turn to the dark side. Probably my favourite character from the whole SW universe.
super jedi player there was a unfinished scene for order 66 from the clone wars showing Barris fighting battle droids then being shot by an AT-TE behind her then it squishes her using one of it's legs. Search it up. Idk what planet it was on but definitely not on Kashykk.
Baross was right in way. The Jedi have fallen far from the light but what really angered me about her was when she abused her friendship with Asokha, framing her for the murder and the assassionation appempts on the Jedi. Which made Ashoka question the Jedi and forcing her to leave and abandon Anaikin when he needed her the most
Asoka was more true to the code, she actually became this bc she was basically the padawan to Anakin and obi won bc they worked together so much. Anakin was the reckless but passionate master and obi won was the opposite , cautious yet passionate master. Asoka was influenced so much by both in this unusual training bc of the clone wars that she was a good combo. She was cautious at times but also new when to be more recklass just not always like anakin. She was the perfect combo of a true Jedi. She would have been the perfect master for luke and the new order too bad that never happened.
@@Chaos-94 Darth Vader was a jedi but when he became sith it changed the dark side changes u, ur speech patterns and yes cannonicakly even your tattoo if u went deep enough.Also a world with magic ships that blow up planets I believe someone can change tattoos....
She was so right about the Jedi Order. The force was unbalanced and favored the dark side......but Barris still could see how much the Jedi Order had fallen while the likes of Yoda could not.
I never really understood that episode of Clone Wars. It doesn't make sense. How were the Jedi responsible for the war? They led the troops, but if they didn't, there were clearly plenty of other capable non-Jedi, non-clones running the military. One might argue that they enabled Palpatine's hard line stance against the Separatists, but he already had the legal authority to create the clone army and declare war without the help of the Jedi. At worst, maybe you could say that the Jedi knowingly or willfully ignored that they supported a corrupt government, but we saw several instances in Clone Wars of the Jedi standing up to and arresting corrupt senators. Once the war started, what were the Jedi supposed to do? Refuse to fight? If they did that, billions of people would have been killed or enslaved by the Separatists. As for not trusting Ahsoka, what were they supposed to do? Openly defy the law when there was a reasonable amount of evidence to warrant extradition? I don't think trust was an issue at all. They were forced to let Ahsoka go. Even Anakin knew that. I could see the argument that the Jedi made very poor tactical decisions, against both threats within and outside of the Republic, but to say that they were responsible for the war and/or were remotely immoral seems factually incorrect to me.
The events of geonosis, a jedi gets captured on a mission, the jedis deploy a strike team and also sent an unothorized army to capture geonosis leading to the beginning of the clone wars. So yeah they started the war.
> "Once the war started, what were the Jedi supposed to do? Refuse to fight? " Yep. Thats exactly what they should have done IMO. If the jedi had pulled their support for the war, that would have cast MAJOR doubt as to its legitimacy. That could have cleared the way for peaceful negotiations (at the very least it would have ruined Palpatine's plan) > If they did that, billions of people would have been killed or enslaved by the Separatists. Billions were killed FIGHTING the war. The Jedi enabled that. And moreover, why are these matters the Jedi's role? Why should they be space police? Jedi were not meant to be soldiers: theyre supposed to be a hermetic sect devoted to studying the wonder of the universe, and, at most, rooting out corrupting dark side influences. Politics is not at all within their mandate, but they took it, and it weakened their connection to the force as a result, proving they shouldnt have been involved in the first place. They were given multiple warnings of what was to come, that they were being played before Barriss' fall, such as Five's death or the revelation that Dooku straight up gave them their army. And they ignored those warnings. Barriss was right: the Jedi were fighting for the dark side, they were just too arrogant to see it.
This has always bothered me, so maybe someone here can explain it - what did Barriss want the Jedi to do? Just stop fighting in the war, leave it up to the clone army and the Republic and sit in their temple until things resolved themselves one way or the other? I suppose they could try to negotiate a peaceful settlement, but the Sith involvement was pretty well-known to the Jedi, so the likelihood that they would agree to peace seems pretty low. Would standing by and letting Wat Tambor starve, enslave and rob Ryloth really be more ethical?
Leaving the war would be a terrible choice for all sides, even the C.I.S. Barriss noticed these flaws in the Order after the Battle of Genosis and spent close to three years deciding what to do. After losing so many brethren to the Battle of Genosis, the first few months of the war did the most damage to every Jedi's faith in their leaders. It would have been easy to rally support and get the Jedi to leave, or many to break apart from the old Order. But she choose not to. Instead, she waited until the end of the war, something everyone knew was nearing. She choose to break the Jedi Order, planned it so she would be caught. She knew the political and military effects this would have. She entered prison for safety from the outcome.
@@davidholoka3365 You really think so? That sounds super interesting, I actually think barris can make up for a great story, she has so much potential, mostly because she predicted all of it
@@animefan133 Early in the Clone Wars, she was able to sense Plo Koon across an entire star system which lead them to the Malevolence. I really only think Old Republic Jedi could pull off a feat like that. Secondly, Ahsoka likely has a photographic memory, and is a great duelist because of it. As well as her motion sense and foresight. Lastly, she was able to fight General Grievous to a complete standstill during her defense of the younglings. The Council stated that only Obi-Wan could kill Grievous, and only because his skill and cleverness. With all of that in mind, Ahsoka would have been able to easily sense Barriss behind the mask and win against the half-trained healer. I think one of them may have sensed Order 66 in visions or could have just used logic to realize it was coming and planned this as a way to ensure both could survive the war's end.
I don’t think enough has been done regarding barriss’ story. We really don’t know if she is still alive and if so what would she have done? Maybe an inquisitor, but I think she would be hiding like a hermit, and have a big sacrifice moment which would redeem her for be false judgement here.
I still have an immense distaste for followers who end up in the villains' camp by way of 'My heroes were less than pure and I must destroy them', like Barriss and the Arrowverse version of Artemis. This isn't a thought process, it is a grief-induced spasm, and is dangerous.
Ahsoka Tano is my favorite Star Wars character and can't lie AHSOKA is also my fav Canon novel lol 😜✌ Ahsoka has such a great simple story that dug deep into the heart ♥ and mind of Snips😞 struggle with the deaths of every Jedi. Especially Skyguy & Kenobi. That 📖 added amazing layers to the Canon. I luv this video! 👍👍 Thx always putting out great content MTFBWY ✊😑
Barriss Offee is one of my favorite Jedi. She is like a younger Dooku. I want to see her as a dark Jedi in new content who may be working with Thrawn, and is taking the place of C’Bayoth. I think we are going to see C’Bayoth in Ahsoka quite possibly. I’d also love to see her maybe be the one on Wayland in Bad Batch. She could be paid by the empire to teach the force to these dark side clone experiments. Or she could also be looking for Ahsoka and mend her relationship with her in the Ahsoka show.
The last episode of the clone war is truly earth breaking but in therm of realistic not much. Barriss know that there a Sith lord and apprentice who make war again the republic. The jedi are going there best to protect the republic. Palpatine of course use a military strategist to make the war longer. he don't attack the enemy base. He stop all attack from the enemy planet after planet. The Jedi are under the control of the senate who are under control. Barriss who attack the Jedi temple it stupid, she should have attack Palpatine. Ahsoka should have meet Palpatine in the clone war. She should have fell some thing not right. A politician friend with Jedi when he was a teenager.
I absolutely share Ahsoka's compassion for Barriss and wow does that line "We should be put on trial! All of us!" have so much more meaning after TLJ. I have long viewed it as the fault of the Jedi for Anakin's fall to the dark side, and I think the exchange between Ahsoka and Anakin at the end of that episode really shows how close Anakin was to his fall at that point in time. Ahsoka leaving must have torn him in half and I would love for there to be more detail revealed about Twilight of the Apprentice to elaborate on Ahsoka's line "I won't leave you again", why Vader was limping and what is Ahsoka's fate. I mean, just what the heck happened during that fight dang it?! 😫
They really hate the males man, MALE JEDI: Goes to an isolated planet and becomes a hermit. FEMALE JEDI:Does something heroic after order 66 not to hate on my gild asoka tho
Horsie Meow Obi Wan doesn’t become a hermit, he had a purpose on Tatooine which was to protect Luke Skywalker & when time allowed guide him to a path to help restore balance to the force. It made sense because in Obi-Wan’s mind he failed Anakin & by taking care of his son & guiding him this would redeem him.
The original purpose of the Jedi is to obey the will of the force. That includes the dark side of the force if the force’s will is dark sided. Ashoka how ever always does what is right and is on the side of life. Making Ashoka not a Jedi at all but instead just a good person. Which is much better anyway
Personally I think The galactic republic and old Jedi order are to blame for Barrisse's betrayal. Just as they were responsible for dooku's embrace of the darkside. Edit: Ahsoka is like Qui Gon. Hope they meet in the force
While Barris was right about the Jedi being manipulated into fighting on the side of the dark, since the leadership of the Republic was in Darth Sidious' hands, did she know this fact? I doubt it. Over the course of the Clone Wars, countless Jedi and Clone soldiers fought bravely and gave their lives to protect the people of the Republic. She is right about the clone wars being a calamity, but she is wrong to say that the Jedi have become bad guys. Where did she ever try to inform anyone that she had apprehensions about the course of the war and where it was headed? By bombing the temple and killing people as a terrorist?Where did she take a stand against the creeping infiltration of the dark side? By betraying her friend, using her force ability to act as an assassin a la a discount Ventris?
In other words Ashoka saw what was going on within the Order & listened but the Order was dead set in their ways which would lead to the Jedi's downfall. Nice going guys nice going.
@@ryandanielable Legends Barriss would have never bombed the Jedi Temple. She was 100 times more fleshed out than clone wars barriss. Personally, I don't think Barriss bombed the temple. I just pretend it didn't happen.
One thing I'm curious about. You keep saying "We love making these videos". So, you're not a one man show? If that's true, is there a video about you and the rest of the crew who make this excellent channel possible?
I think it would be fun to see Asoka find Barris and fight side by side with her. "You were very wrong in WHAT you did, but I'll be damned if your reasons weren't spot on. I fully understand. May I join you in this battle? As friends." Though, to be honest, I think Barris was killed in Order 66. She was a Force user, a confessed terrorist a held captive in prison. It would stretch my suspension of disbelief if they brought her back.
Michael Beasley Those are Ahsoka's Montrals atop her head and her Lekku (Twi'leks also have Lekku) are hanging down her shoulders. ✌😉 I was happy to learn what both of those things were. The lekku can express emotions and are pretty 🔑 additions to those species
Grand Admiral Bendu Thank you, i actually looked it up on Wookieepedia abt a minute after thati posted that comment lol Not sure why that didn't occur to me before I posted that comment but thank you for getting back with me so quick
The Jedi Order at that point of time had lost its way and did need a bit of a course correction, but beyond that she is wrong and lost any sort of standing the moment she decided to bomb the temple.
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Dingus dude! Dark man, damn😶
Ahsoka didnt graduate though. She just left.
MrTohawk
She was given a chance…
Dingus LMAOO
Ahsoka was closer to the actual Jedi philosophy than the Jedi Order was.
Benjamin Johnson As Barriss said: The Jedi Order had strayed too far from their Original philosophy (Now known as Grey Jedi philosophy).
that's correct, she's not a Grey Jedi, same with Qui Gon
Benjamin Johnson "Ironic."
ahsoka was just like Qui Gon Jinn
Most so-called "grey" Jedi are closer to actual Jedi philosophy than mainstream Jedi. Ahsoka is certainly one example, but the greatest example would be Revan. He started as a Jedi, went full Sith, then returned to the Light. More than anyone, he had perspective that most--if not all--Jedi and Sith lacked. Of course, no one listened. Malak betrayed him, as did the Sith under Malak's command (by extension, if not on purpose) and even after saving the Republic and destroying both Malak and the Star Forge the Jedi refused to listen to him as well.
The Jedi Order made a lot of mistakes during and before the clone wars, but perhaps their most greivous was the fact that they focused on protecting the republic as a governemnt instead of as a people, yes the Jedi serve the republic, but they serve it's people not it's politicians. I think the Jedi order forgot that.
They served their dogma and ego masquerading as wisdom.
Siyovaxsh En-sipad-zid-ana And why Luke in TLJ thought the legacy of the Jedi is failure.
How about by choosing not to free anakin's mother from slavery thereby leaving the entire galaxy victim to the chance that her suffering will lead the chosen one, child of the midicalorians, down a path to the dark side. That was a pretty big fuck up. All in religious fervor to their philosophy that not caring about anyone is the right way to help people, even though it was clear time and again that personal attachments served a function for them- like with obi wan and qui gon for instance
@@muserussell2377 They didn't seem to hate their attachments to the senate and whoever was feeding and clothing them.
@@MrBottlecapBill lol
If only politicians were as self reflective as Tano was...
The dad joke guy If only people didn’t go to politicians and ask the government for so much. People demand government involvement.
Reminds me of a quote by her actually. "It's every citizens duty to challenge their leaders, to keep them honest, and hold them accountable if they're not."
Matthew Cioffi government should be involved in stuff though I agree people shouldn’t ask for too much
The dad joke guy I’m sure some are.. but money talks.
Well some politicians like Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and Padme were a good ones. True democratics unlike others
Funny how a teenager had more common sense than the entire Jedi Council
SMILE SWEET SISTER SADISTIC SERVICE STARS young people tend to look at things from a fresh perspective while elders do not.
Teenagers aren't old enough to be set in their ways, teens know they don't know everything so they're not so rigid. Adults can forget they don't know everything and get stuck in their ways. Those who succeed in life are the ones who remember life is constantly changing.
NEMESIS T-TYPE Is that why she did the opposite of what she preached? She’s a crazy hypocrite who murdered an unknown amount of people just to make a hippy statement about “peace” if that common sense, then I don’t want it.
@@justchilling704 I was talking about Ahsoka, not Barris
The Jedi Coucil are full of boomers
I'm more interested in what happened to Bariss after Order 66 and how she viewed her actions when she looked back at them. Did she recognize her mistakes, or did she come to serve the Empire in some capacity, learning nothing?
ImperialistOpinions in my fan fiction she be comes an inquisator
They missed a big opportunity not making Seventh Sister Bariss.
gony82 You're kinda right, but Ahsoka's opponent in Rebels was Vader. Making Bariss an Inquisitor in that show would have given her a second opponent, and Ahsoka never showed up often enough to warrant that. I believe that Bariss's role was fulfilled years before Rebels in the timeline.
It's not canon anymore, but in one of the comics Disney made Legends Bariss is once again fighting with the Jedi towards the end of TCW. So it means at some point they released her and she went back to the order. She actually is on Felucia with Secura when order 66 commences. Both are killed during order 66. Sadly this was the only story about Bariss after TCW and now with it not being canon she has no after story.
in my fan fiction she and a few other surviving Jedis created a new jedi order far away from the empire.
I see Ahsoka has a similar philosophy to Qui Gon Jinn
they're both closer to the Jedi morals than the order was
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@@flyte707 lmao
I wish Ahsoka could have met Qui Gon.
flyte lol
Look at anakin, you can tell he's secretly thinking "Damn, she's got some good points, I should really think about killing all the children some day"
Obi Wan sitting up there on his high ground looking down like "Fuck, some serious shit is about to go down"
I agree 100% with the interpretation offered in this video but more importantly, I think it highlights why Ahsoka Tano is the most popular Star Wars character outside of the (official) movie cannon world. Ahsoka just has a sense and sensibility about her that causes everyone to deeply admire and respect her. And yet, despite her high level of emotional intelligence and physical prowess, she's also very human, has her crappy moments, makes mistakes like everyone else. Her imperfections make you love and admire her more as a character. She doesn't come across as a Mary Sue nor as an arrogant or aloof perfectionist Jedi. Really one of the most well-crafted characters I have ever seen in the Star Wars universe! I'd love to find out more about how the ideas for her character came about among the creators of the Star Wars expanded universe.
Jennifer Rodriguez It gives more meaning to why Luke in TLJ wrongly thought the legacy of the Jedi is failure .
The best thing about Ahsoka was always her sense of responsibility. Unlike many Jedi (Yes, Mace Windu, I'm looking at you), Ahsoka accepted responsibility for her own actions, instead, of going with 'the Force made me do it'. It's very much in character that she would evaluate Barriss' words and actions in a clear-headed fashion, despite her own personal sense of betrayal.
Me: I hope Barris survived order 66.. Vader: that name no longer has any meaning to me
Glenn Quagmire I feel like your name means it is a sexual reason why you wanted her to live
>Accuses and criticizes the Jedi of serving and fighting for the Dark Side.
>Joins the Dark Side to fight the Jedi.
Barriss Offee everyone!
HaloModder555 she didn’t join the dark side.
@@yesyouheardme8949 she said "i think red is more my style" in reference to her light saber
More amazing Star wars writing ladies and gentlemen lol.
Hypocrite has a point,I guess...
@@yesyouheardme8949 she did. you don't go betraying your friends, murdering hundreds, letting your friends take the fall and still say you haven't fallen to the dark side.
Three of the "wise" Jedi High Councilors hearing a direct warning about the fall of the Republic and the blindness of the Order, yet they were too close minded to learn from the incident.
In episode 2 Dukoo straight up tells Kenobi the republic was under the control of a Sith lord. Given the Jedis reduced strength in the force, that must be coming from SOMEWHERE, you'd think they might look into it.
This scene was much more pivotal moment in the SW saga than many realize. While I certainly do NOT agree with her actions, or the fact that Askoa was unfairly blamed for Bariss's act...(which lead her to leave the Jedi Order due to their initial distrust of Asoka which changed her POV of the order as well), this doesn't mean she was not entirely incorrect with her statement/confession. Bariss clearly saw something very wrong that was happening with the Order.More importantly how the Jedi order was either too entrenched in their traditions, or too elitist -like to help them (Bariss and to a certain degree Asoka) when they needed their wisdom and help. So focused on the traditions of the past, and the productivity of the future, they never bothered to look at the here and now. Sound familiar?
This was a moment with an extreme meaning for not just the Jedi Order, but for the Republic and the Empire. For the Jedi Order, the Order as a whole had to reflect on the fact that a Jedi pointed out some of the flaws with their entire way of life. As a Jedi, everyone had to face their fears with the war and the flaws with the Order. Some left after meditating upon realizing the elitist position required of all Jedi. But most stayed because they saw no other option, or ignored these problems.
The Republic began to fear the Jedi, and for good reason. They realized that the Jedi could leave the war and the Republic. Just as well, for the average citizen, Barriss' bombing disrupted trust of the Jedi. That the generals of their war are monsters. This fear made it easier to for Palptine to claim the Jedi tried to assassinate him and cause panic. Without the bombing incident, he may never have been able to pull of Order 66 because the Jedi would have been able to sense it, not be drowned by their fears and worries.
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its important to learn from the past to avoid repeating past mistakes while preparing for the future to better predict situations but if you ignore the present its possible that a person could miss something critically important thus may end up missing out on seeing the future
id love to watch further, but i just started reading Ahsoka's book... and already im loving it...
CarbiesChronicles I've read it once and listened to the audio book three times. The plot and characterization are good, but the writing is a little sloppy and often uses the same uncommon adjectives/terms in a short amount of time. Still a good read, but some things are definitely noticeable (especially the fact there are whole conversations described as "she said", " he said", "Ahsoka said" etc)
Even the Barriss actress Nalini Krishan told me Barriss was right but gone about things the wrong way. I didn't know she watched TCW! LOL
Numba1 Heathen Lol why would the voice actress not watch the show she’s on
@@skizzlechizzle He/She means the actual actress of Barriss who portrayed her in Episode II,not the voice actress
My sister always says everything happens for a reason. I don't always agree with my sister, but it's crazy how that little piece of advice rings so true.
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Palpatine: " DAMN STRAIGHT."
If you're looking for a new video idea, what about how Luminara Unduli reacted to Barriss's betrayal?
Faith V. W. That is something I would like to hear/see as well
She would be like oh what a shame and not give a fuck
@Son of a Glitch nice pun
This is what happens when you trust someone
Fuck you Carth
Donnie Galante I don't want to talk about that
THIS IS THE VIDEO I WAS LOOKING FOR
We were long overdue for a Barriss-related video! Hope you enjoy it MG. :)
The Tagruta species is a wise one.
racism.. or rather specisim
Ahsoka interpreting Barriss Offee's betrayal gives more meaning to why Luke in TLJ thought the legacy of the Jedi is failure and why he thought ending the Jedi was a good idea.
*Receives notification* "How Ahsoka" well dont need to read any more (click)
1. Obi Wan Kenobi
2. Anikan Skywalker
3. Luke Skywalker
4. Yoda
5. Ahsoka
Great video Star Wars Reading Club. Your reasoning was very sound. And I really liked how you ended it too.
Awesome video as always!!!
I had kind of wondered what the surviving Jedi thought about Bariss's confession after order 66.
Can't wait to see what you do next!
Thanks SWRC!!! :D
Yup. The Jedi Order were palpatines puppets. Ashoka, walked away and didn't turn to the dark side. Probably my favourite character from the whole SW universe.
Same
well, we still have to make sure to stop the droid attack on the wookies, right? what about the droid attack on the wookies?
super jedi player there was a unfinished scene for order 66 from the clone wars showing Barris fighting battle droids then being shot by an AT-TE behind her then it squishes her using one of it's legs. Search it up. Idk what planet it was on but definitely not on Kashykk.
Peter Tea brutal
It is a system we can not afford to lose
Peter Tea actually is said she was disintegrated when she ordered it to open fire
Anyone else wanna see Ahsoka in episode 8 or 9?
CHomab Cjabeb she will be old
Obi-Wan Kenobi Yea but she would still be Ahsoka
That's possible!! We wont see her in season 4 of Star Wars Rebels or maybe in stand alone movie like Kenobe
I would love to see Ashoka in anything outside of the CW or SWR. But I have my doubts.
Broken Bridge I do agree about the doubt thing. It would not be easy to make it work in episode 8 or 9. It was just an idea
Baross was right in way. The Jedi have fallen far from the light but what really angered me about her was when she abused her friendship with Asokha, framing her for the murder and the assassionation appempts on the Jedi. Which made Ashoka question the Jedi and forcing her to leave and abandon Anaikin when he needed her the most
Asoka was more true to the code, she actually became this bc she was basically the padawan to Anakin and obi won bc they worked together so much. Anakin was the reckless but passionate master and obi won was the opposite , cautious yet passionate master. Asoka was influenced so much by both in this unusual training bc of the clone wars that she was a good combo. She was cautious at times but also new when to be more recklass just not always like anakin. She was the perfect combo of a true Jedi. She would have been the perfect master for luke and the new order too bad that never happened.
Doesn't Barriss look like the sister inquisitor
You mean the Seventh Sister? They're the same species but the show has confirmed they are unrelated.
Not really. They're both Mirialan, but they have completely different facial tattoos and speech patterns, accents, etc.
Darth Perdition Seventh Sister was Mirialan, like Luminara and Barriss.
@@creatoruser736 how when?
@@Chaos-94 Darth Vader was a jedi but when he became sith it changed the dark side changes u, ur speech patterns and yes cannonicakly even your tattoo if u went deep enough.Also a world with magic ships that blow up planets I believe someone can change tattoos....
Very insightful and well spoken
I've always considered Barriss to be one of the first Rebels against a fledgling Empire
She was so right about the Jedi Order. The force was unbalanced and favored the dark side......but Barris still could see how much the Jedi Order had fallen while the likes of Yoda could not.
Legends Barriss is better.
I wonder how Luminara reacted to her whole ass padawan falling to the dark side
Oh no
Anyway
I never really understood that episode of Clone Wars. It doesn't make sense. How were the Jedi responsible for the war? They led the troops, but if they didn't, there were clearly plenty of other capable non-Jedi, non-clones running the military. One might argue that they enabled Palpatine's hard line stance against the Separatists, but he already had the legal authority to create the clone army and declare war without the help of the Jedi. At worst, maybe you could say that the Jedi knowingly or willfully ignored that they supported a corrupt government, but we saw several instances in Clone Wars of the Jedi standing up to and arresting corrupt senators.
Once the war started, what were the Jedi supposed to do? Refuse to fight? If they did that, billions of people would have been killed or enslaved by the Separatists. As for not trusting Ahsoka, what were they supposed to do? Openly defy the law when there was a reasonable amount of evidence to warrant extradition? I don't think trust was an issue at all. They were forced to let Ahsoka go. Even Anakin knew that. I could see the argument that the Jedi made very poor tactical decisions, against both threats within and outside of the Republic, but to say that they were responsible for the war and/or were remotely immoral seems factually incorrect to me.
The events of geonosis, a jedi gets captured on a mission, the jedis deploy a strike team and also sent an unothorized army to capture geonosis leading to the beginning of the clone wars. So yeah they started the war.
> "Once the war started, what were the Jedi supposed to do? Refuse to fight? "
Yep. Thats exactly what they should have done IMO. If the jedi had pulled their support for the war, that would have cast MAJOR doubt as to its legitimacy. That could have cleared the way for peaceful negotiations (at the very least it would have ruined Palpatine's plan)
> If they did that, billions of people would have been killed or enslaved by the Separatists.
Billions were killed FIGHTING the war. The Jedi enabled that.
And moreover, why are these matters the Jedi's role? Why should they be space police? Jedi were not meant to be soldiers: theyre supposed to be a hermetic sect devoted to studying the wonder of the universe, and, at most, rooting out corrupting dark side influences. Politics is not at all within their mandate, but they took it, and it weakened their connection to the force as a result, proving they shouldnt have been involved in the first place.
They were given multiple warnings of what was to come, that they were being played before Barriss' fall, such as Five's death or the revelation that Dooku straight up gave them their army. And they ignored those warnings. Barriss was right: the Jedi were fighting for the dark side, they were just too arrogant to see it.
I feel that she hastened the fall of the Republic that she sought to protect.
Love your voice. Thanks for talking about this decisive moment and many other👍🤗
I wonder what was master luminara reaction to Barris offee's turn to the dark side. 🤔
She was right in everything she said. The jedi were the army of the darkness and they have lost their way
This has always bothered me, so maybe someone here can explain it - what did Barriss want the Jedi to do? Just stop fighting in the war, leave it up to the clone army and the Republic and sit in their temple until things resolved themselves one way or the other? I suppose they could try to negotiate a peaceful settlement, but the Sith involvement was pretty well-known to the Jedi, so the likelihood that they would agree to peace seems pretty low. Would standing by and letting Wat Tambor starve, enslave and rob Ryloth really be more ethical?
Leaving the war would be a terrible choice for all sides, even the C.I.S. Barriss noticed these flaws in the Order after the Battle of Genosis and spent close to three years deciding what to do. After losing so many brethren to the Battle of Genosis, the first few months of the war did the most damage to every Jedi's faith in their leaders. It would have been easy to rally support and get the Jedi to leave, or many to break apart from the old Order. But she choose not to. Instead, she waited until the end of the war, something everyone knew was nearing. She choose to break the Jedi Order, planned it so she would be caught. She knew the political and military effects this would have. She entered prison for safety from the outcome.
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You really think so?
That sounds super interesting,
I actually think barris can make up for a great story, she has so much potential, mostly because she predicted all of it
@@animefan133 I also believe Ahsoka was in on it. That she helped plan it.
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Why do you think so tho?
@@animefan133 Early in the Clone Wars, she was able to sense Plo Koon across an entire star system which lead them to the Malevolence. I really only think Old Republic Jedi could pull off a feat like that. Secondly, Ahsoka likely has a photographic memory, and is a great duelist because of it. As well as her motion sense and foresight. Lastly, she was able to fight General Grievous to a complete standstill during her defense of the younglings. The Council stated that only Obi-Wan could kill Grievous, and only because his skill and cleverness.
With all of that in mind, Ahsoka would have been able to easily sense Barriss behind the mask and win against the half-trained healer. I think one of them may have sensed Order 66 in visions or could have just used logic to realize it was coming and planned this as a way to ensure both could survive the war's end.
I don’t think enough has been done regarding barriss’ story. We really don’t know if she is still alive and if so what would she have done? Maybe an inquisitor, but I think she would be hiding like a hermit, and have a big sacrifice moment which would redeem her for be false judgement here.
Read legends Barriss, specifically the Medstar books.
thanks for making this video
I wonder what luminara reaction was?
That could explain why she also said I am no Jedi.
I still have an immense distaste for followers who end up in the villains' camp by way of 'My heroes were less than pure and I must destroy them', like Barriss and the Arrowverse version of Artemis. This isn't a thought process, it is a grief-induced spasm, and is dangerous.
but Artemis is just a really bad character. a wannabe black canary/green arrow
Ahsoka Tano is my favorite Star Wars character and can't lie AHSOKA is also my fav Canon novel lol 😜✌
Ahsoka has such a great simple story that dug deep into the heart ♥ and mind of Snips😞 struggle with the deaths of every Jedi. Especially Skyguy & Kenobi. That 📖 added amazing layers to the Canon. I luv this video! 👍👍 Thx always putting out great content MTFBWY ✊😑
Same here!
Barriss Offee is one of my favorite Jedi. She is like a younger Dooku. I want to see her as a dark Jedi in new content who may be working with Thrawn, and is taking the place of C’Bayoth. I think we are going to see C’Bayoth in Ahsoka quite possibly. I’d also love to see her maybe be the one on Wayland in Bad Batch. She could be paid by the empire to teach the force to these dark side clone experiments. Or she could also be looking for Ahsoka and mend her relationship with her in the Ahsoka show.
At 0:23 you can see the regret and sadness on their faces
I’m surprised sideous didn’t try to recruit her
Video: If not for meeeee
*Video buffers*
Me: *AUTISTIC SCREECHING*
The last episode of the clone war is truly earth breaking but in therm of realistic not much. Barriss know that there a Sith lord and apprentice who make war again the republic. The jedi are going there best to protect the republic. Palpatine of course use a military strategist to make the war longer. he don't attack the enemy base. He stop all attack from the enemy planet after planet. The Jedi are under the control of the senate who are under control. Barriss who attack the Jedi temple it stupid, she should have attack Palpatine. Ahsoka should have meet Palpatine in the clone war. She should have fell some thing not right. A politician friend with Jedi when he was a teenager.
From a PR point of view, this made possible for Palpatine to justify the "coup" from the Jedi. They had to be stopped.
I absolutely share Ahsoka's compassion for Barriss and wow does that line "We should be put on trial! All of us!" have so much more meaning after TLJ. I have long viewed it as the fault of the Jedi for Anakin's fall to the dark side, and I think the exchange between Ahsoka and Anakin at the end of that episode really shows how close Anakin was to his fall at that point in time. Ahsoka leaving must have torn him in half and I would love for there to be more detail revealed about Twilight of the Apprentice to elaborate on Ahsoka's line "I won't leave you again", why Vader was limping and what is Ahsoka's fate. I mean, just what the heck happened during that fight dang it?! 😫
Greg Dennison watch Rebels episode "A World Between Worlds" and you'll see what happened.
Greg Dennison No wonder why Luke in the beginning of TLJ thought ending the Jedi was a good idea.
i can see palpatine is smiling on the inside. while he is hearing bariss' confistion
Imo...Ahsoka would have made a powerful sith.
Ric Ancira
Darth Snips
They really hate the males man,
MALE JEDI: Goes to an isolated planet and becomes a hermit.
FEMALE JEDI:Does something heroic after order 66
not to hate on my gild asoka tho
Horsie Meow Obi Wan doesn’t become a hermit, he had a purpose on Tatooine which was to protect Luke Skywalker & when time allowed guide him to a path to help restore balance to the force. It made sense because in Obi-Wan’s mind he failed Anakin & by taking care of his son & guiding him this would redeem him.
Obi wan went to exile to protect Luke
The original purpose of the Jedi is to obey the will of the force. That includes the dark side of the force if the force’s will is dark sided. Ashoka how ever always does what is right and is on the side of life. Making Ashoka not a Jedi at all but instead just a good person. Which is much better anyway
Personally I think The galactic republic and old Jedi order are to blame for Barrisse's betrayal. Just as they were responsible for dooku's embrace of the darkside.
Edit: Ahsoka is like Qui Gon. Hope they meet in the force
Otari Muradishvili Shes to blame for her actions, no one else.
What was the background audio you used? I like it, it's both creepy and intuitive.
Wow that was Deep !.. Good job Star Wars Reading Club Guy. IMO :)
Why were mynocks inside of the space slug? And how did they get there?
Can you show us what Luminara thought of her padawan bombing the temple and what happened to Bariss after Order 66?
While Barris was right about the Jedi being manipulated into fighting on the side of the dark, since the leadership of the Republic was in Darth Sidious' hands, did she know this fact? I doubt it. Over the course of the Clone Wars, countless Jedi and Clone soldiers fought bravely and gave their lives to protect the people of the Republic. She is right about the clone wars being a calamity, but she is wrong to say that the Jedi have become bad guys. Where did she ever try to inform anyone that she had apprehensions about the course of the war and where it was headed? By bombing the temple and killing people as a terrorist?Where did she take a stand against the creeping infiltration of the dark side? By betraying her friend, using her force ability to act as an assassin a la a discount Ventris?
it's foolish how jedi are trained-as it is foolish to take them as children.
So the youngling ones I knew have become a MASTER
Funniest thing ever xD putting that Darth Vader line in
Always wondered what happened to cute green freckles
If only Disney had listened to you before traveling down the Canon path. I really enjoyed the video.
But where did she get new lightsabers from after the bombing
"That name no longer has any meaning to me." Lol!
I think this is well thought out. I did read this book. I too want to know what happened to Offee.
Great video!! 🙂👍👍🌠
I like the video and can you do a video on how luminara reacted to her padawan's betral
2:23 had me crying LMAO
I want to know what happened to Ashoka during the rebel alliance days. Did she die? Did she just drop out of existence?
Disney should have done two episodes to cover the Ahsoka Tano story! One 20 minute episode.
When I'm the new sith lord, but most keep calling me the second grand inquisitor. "That name no longer has any meaning for me."
Bariss Offee probably is alive.
Xcyper33 no she isnt, it was shown that she was dead in star wars rebels
Well the writer behind Rebels confirmed that he still had plans for Baris. She died in Legends but not confirmed in canon.
Floris Van zalingen this was her master luminara unduli
Floris Van zalingen She died in Legends, we don't know if she exactly died in Canon.
The sad thing is: Barris was right
Great Video!!! You Also Have A Cool Voice, By The Way, LOL!!! 👍
In other words Ashoka saw what was going on within the Order & listened but the Order was dead set in their ways which would lead to the Jedi's downfall. Nice going guys nice going.
It's too bad they ruined such a nice character.
actually it may make a great new story if they ever bring her back. nothing is as strong as redemption and forgiveness to motivate someone´s story
@@ryandanielable Legends Barriss would have never bombed the Jedi Temple. She was 100 times more fleshed out than clone wars barriss. Personally, I don't think Barriss bombed the temple. I just pretend it didn't happen.
One of the biggest things I hate about Clone Wars was how they ruined Barriss's character.
I'd rather watch a movie with Ahsoka over Rey any time.
Nice stuff
What happen to Bariss after order 66?
This is outrageous!
Need a 2022 version if there’s any updates with how Disney is trying to CHANGE previous film
I think if I were a character in Star Wars I would like to meet her. Pretty interesting what she could teach me
That name no longer has any meaning for me! DDeV.VI...auto correct...
One thing I'm curious about. You keep saying "We love making these videos". So, you're not a one man show? If that's true, is there a video about you and the rest of the crew who make this excellent channel possible?
I think it would be fun to see Asoka find Barris and fight side by side with her. "You were very wrong in WHAT you did, but I'll be damned if your reasons weren't spot on. I fully understand. May I join you in this battle? As friends."
Though, to be honest, I think Barris was killed in Order 66. She was a Force user, a confessed terrorist a held captive in prison. It would stretch my suspension of disbelief if they brought her back.
What is that appendage on top of Ahsoka's head? I've been meaning to ask that question for a long time
Quite simply head tails, they give togrutas a few abilities.
Michael Beasley Those are Ahsoka's Montrals atop her head and her Lekku (Twi'leks also have Lekku) are hanging down her shoulders. ✌😉
I was happy to learn what both of those things were. The lekku can express emotions and are pretty 🔑 additions to those species
Grand Admiral Bendu Thank you, i actually looked it up on Wookieepedia abt a minute after thati posted that comment lol Not sure why that didn't occur to me before I posted that comment but thank you for getting back with me so quick
Pretty sure Barris was a Jedi Knight by that point
So is Barris still alive?
What happened to Barris after order 66
Idk maybe Vader took me as his prisoner?
How did Luminara reacts to Barriss' betrayal
The Jedi Order at that point of time had lost its way and did need a bit of a course correction, but beyond that she is wrong and lost any sort of standing the moment she decided to bomb the temple.
Your videos are good, but the editing was always a bit boring, but this is very good, keep this visualization style!
Good stuff :)
Bariss became one of the Inquisitors didn't she?